The Drum Hang - Episode 24 Elvin Jones Snare Feathering
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- In this episode we listen to and watch Elvin Jones feather quarter notes on his snare drum. He does this as a comping device and as a way to broaden his quarter note pulse. While rhythmically simple this snare feathering is very hard to play with dynamic control and groove! Yes Elvin played "Elvin" stuff but he also had complete command of the quarter note, even while playing softly on his snare drum. Elvin!
I studied with Elvin from '96 to around '01 ... he spoke to me about this being related to blues.
in his mind this is how he felt blues feels... it was a variation of a shuffle vibe to Elvin.
it made sense when he spoke to me about it ...
Anthony, wow what great information and so interesting to know that you spoke to Elvin about this concept. I would love to pick your brain sometime on what you and Elvin discussed, what he was like, and what lessons you took away the most in your time with him. Incredible I am sure. Thanks for the comment Anthony!
@@ChrisSmithJazzDrumHang anytime... my years with him are dear to my heart.
he was special.
we never opened a book ... never talked about stick technique... he was all about making music
@@Rogersdrumvideos How great that you had that experience! Thanks for sharing.
With all due respect this IS related to blues . Your video examples are of Elvin playing very slow shuffle tempos which of course have feathered “ones” on the snare . But at a medium temp and on up to the best of my knowledge he NEVER feathered the snare drum on either the one or the three. Never on the quarter note . I’ve watched him live many times . He feathered the snare on the last two beats of the triplet.. On these slower tempos he often feathered with note triplets on the snare also. Every triplet in the bar and he could do it even in medium temps. But feathering quarter notes except of course shuffle temps. No . No way .. Which is why nobody talks about it .
I also listened to your Mel Lewis example w Marty Paich. . It doesn’t sound like he’s feathering the snare on “1, 2, 3 and 4. It sounds like he’s feathering the bass drum which Mel was HUGE on. I knew Mel personally . The first time I met him he came to me while I was working out my Elvin triplet thing and shouted “ Play Your Bass Drum!”.. Afterward we stood and talked for a while as he expounded his thoughts on the subject . .
Following clip was my first time playing after a three year layoff from tendinitis (check the bandage on my left arm) so it’s a bit sloppy but it illustrates I do have a fundamental knowledge of the Elvin triplet to a degree , anyways inspire of the fact I was playing on a drum set tuned for rock.. Not my own
ua-cam.com/video/h_yvwdfKROc/v-deo.html
Elvin always has the best cymbal sound. damn!
THE Best!
Cool analysis with many good examples. I was lucky enough to see him live with many different Jazz Machines.
At 2:01 Bro! Beauty Is in the eyes who can see It. Thanks for the great content
Thank you so much for your incredibly instructive videos!!! 🙏🏻
Thanks for checking out the video Christophe!
Heard Paul Motian doing this on “Live at the Deer Head Inn” with Keith Jarrett as well. It’s everywhere!
Good catch! Thanks for letting me know!
@@ChrisSmithJazzDrumHang also Sonny Payne was doing that a lot. It is possible to hear and SEE here ua-cam.com/video/lm2zFLKm_u0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TerminalPassage
Man I am glad someone did that. Elvin is my drumming hero.
Another great video Chris! There's some pretty cool examples of this on the Bill Frisell trio record with Elvin and Dave Holland.
Sutton, thanks for mentioning it! I haven't listened to that album in years, don't have it. I got to go listen to it again. Good call, thanks for telling us about it. How you been man? I see on Instagram you are playing and playing, great!
@@ChrisSmithJazzDrumHang Doing well and trying to play when I can! Definitely overdue for another lesson with you!
This channel is absolutely amazing. I've been wondering about all these topics and you go through these concepts so thoroughly
Thank you Michael! Let me know of any other topics you'd like to see covered.
You could do something about Philly Joe's soloing or comping. It would be great
Thanks Michael!
@@julian.enriquez good call. Will DO!
wow these videos are so helpful i feel like practicing so much more becouseof these concepts u share i woudnt have known otherwise
So glad to hear it, thank you! Please be on the look out for www.jazzdrumhang.com in the near future for an even better online jazz drumming experience!
Please make more drum hangs about Elvin!!
great vids!!
This technique really helped me even out my swing ride pattern.
Just heard philly joe doing this on the first half of red garland’s second chorus on bye bye blackbird... had to come back and comment!
Noah, killing catch thank you for sharing!
Mind blown. I’ve been digging and watching Elvin on recordings & live performance for 40 years, and never really zeroed in on this aspect of his playing . Thank you very much, great job Chris! And nicely communicated. I know Elvin also often kept subtle bass drum patterns going beneath the groove, might be a nice thing for an additional Elvin feature.
Greg, good call! Yes he did play a lot of BD patterns, and actually in addition to the quarters he often played dotted quarter note triplets on his snare drum as a way to feather also. More on Elvin coming soon for sure. Hope you are well my friend!
Chris Smith Jazz Drums never noticed Elvin’s dotted-quarter triplet business (Took me a minute to do the math on that one) but now that you mention - yeah!
Thanks Chris, doing OK - hope same for you!
Very accurate and usefull earing lesson, thx for U're time and work, thx for sharing this!!! This is the real way jazz drumming had been transmited from one drummer to an other throughout the history...
Very nicely done, Chris.
Thanks for the comment Randy!
This is very much analogous to how one approaches a blues double shuffle, but leaving out the "lets" of the left-hand swung eighths
Chris! thanks for the excellent teachings. I get so much outta these lessons.
Another great hang!! Here in Ann Arbor I used to go see J. C. Heard frequently around Detroit; he often ghosted quarter notes on the snare An important all but forgotten drummer sadly... but you’re keeping it alive!
Drew Conlin J.C. was great - thanks for reminding me about him, I will check it out more stuff. Want another great drummer nobody talks about? Joe Dukes. Played with organist Brother Jack McDuff - bad dude
Drew, JC Heard was an amazing drummer and one that I will cover in a future episode for sure! It must have been a treat to hear him in Detroit, wow!
Greg Burrows indeed! Joe Dukes!
Beautiful video man. Thanks!
A great example of this is elvin's playing with bill frisell and dave holland... I cant remember the album title, but it's a great one!
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this technique was specifically addressed in Stanley Spector's drum lessons
Chris Smith Jazz Drums - Here is another great example from way back - 1959!! ua-cam.com/video/G8BgxrbNn38/v-deo.html He gets into it on the last few choruses of Grant Green's solo. I always thought it was a nod to Blakey. Thanks for this