hogaak was released in MH1, it was intended for modern they just didnt playtest as much as they needed to, i think they thought it would be a cool late game closer as opposed to just coming out turn 2 or so and winning
@@timothydalton2388 I know it was released in MH1, but I'm pretty sure it was designed for commander. Most of the pushed moderns cards for the set featured no cost to cast (FoN, FoV), cheap modal abilities (W6, archmage's, Kaya's Guile) or did something on etb (ice fang). Notably, Urza and Yawgmoth break the mold on this, but it's pretty clear that they were designed to be attractive in multiple formats.
@@castanus4343Released in MH1, yes. But like all MtG products nowadays, the target market is actually Commander players. Golos was released in a Standard-legal set. Did WotC only intend it for Constructed formats? Smothering Tithe was released in a Standard-legal set. Do you think it was intended for Standard? Garth One-Eye and Chatterfang were printed in MH2. Do you really think they were printed with Modern in mind?
@@castanus4343Hogaak was designed with commmander in mind. Just like Omnath, Locus of Creation, another plague of constructed formats (especially Standard)
Those Rootwallas made more appearances than Hogaak did lol But great Vintage gameplay. Nice to see more formats and it's nice to have the regular play comments on your own plays. Hope to see more of these formats in the future
I proxied a few vintage decks for my brother and me to play. Trouble is he has zero interest in the format lol. At least I didn't spend much on those cards.
Love seeing some vintage content! Little Bolas' Citadel tip for Cam at 8:25 - take a peek on top of the deck just in case there's a counterspell there.
Its funny how a lot of strategies in Vintage/legacy kind of mirror strategies in CEDH but not all of them. I cant think of a mirror to Jewel shops or Hogaak/bazar in CEDH. Also I love the content, keep up the awesome work!
Well the singleton format kinda makes it hard to build a bazzar of bagda deck in commander. Or any other competitive vintage deck. Also imagine comander with time vault? Tassa's oracle would be childs play
@10:55 you definitely cast the mbt there but you know that he has a deterministic win with access to vamp tutor in the graveyard and a senseis top in play so most players would just scoop to the yawg will
3:55 - getting a Dark ritual here would leave Cam with enough mana (use it to Yawgmoth’s will, replay the Lotus, mox and the ritual) to still drop the Citadel on T1.
I just built an entirely proxies Vintage Cube and drafted it with friends this weekend. SOOO much fun doing busted things or losing to busted cards. 10/10 would recommend.
I liked the video, this format is fast and funny, and something different too see. And its more funny watching you guys using cedh cards in a different scenario 😂
In the first game where Cam played beseech, what was in his hand? I think I saw a yawgmoth's will which shuts off that line, but could you have gone for tinker into bolas citadel? Idk if it's enough, but you have a land drop left so that's nice 🙂
Additional answers to questions posed: Sideboarding I actually dont really like leyline at all vs hogaak. Its a deck that can operate outside the yard very well. from gaak side id bring in 4 fov 3 mbt 2 endurance. From beseech side im bringing in snuff out for ouphe, delgue, tab, sheo, portal, needle, dismember. The way i look at it the gaak either pressures fast with an above average hand or stops beseech with fov/ouphe/endurance. From the beseech side you are always super favored and u just dont want to die to an ouphe.
"Not ment to keep no bazaar hands" actually Hogaak and Cradlevine variants are really fun because u can keep non bazaar hands. Hands with Fov and early ouphes would be keeps in the matchup
I have to admit I'm a little confused by the Force of Vigors in the sideboard. Isn't that pretty much a mandatory 4-of maindeck in Gaak? It and ouphe are your only forms of interaction game 1.
Awesome match! The casted serum powder for sure mattered: could have kept the wasteland, waste the Academy I believe the official 5 game format is 2 main, (up to) 3 sideboard
That's how I've seen Playing with Power do their 1v1 games, and I've really enjoyed it. It gives a better chance for each deck to show off it's thing both pre-- and post-board
I am pretty sure two moxes, lotus and Beseech is a turn one win(with or without Yawgmoth's Will in your hand). Beseech for Bessech float an extra mana sac the other mox cast dark ritual. Cast Yowgmoths's Will from hand leave one black mana in the pool. Lotus, mox, mox, dark ritual, beseech(from graveyard) for beseech for beseech for Tendrils of Agony. The storm is definitely enough to kill your opponent. If your opponent has a counter spell, the Sheoldred will be countered as well.
Yeah! 1vs1 content! letsgooooooo I would love to see more formats being played, specially stuff like legacy, vintage, or even two head giant, since Magic can be such a diverse game.
Might be wrong here but, in your last attack with the vine, the ouffe and the lizzard, couldnt you just +2+0 the lizzard exiling a land in a graveyard for a red mana?
I would love to see more vintage but next time maybe pit 2 blue decks against each other? I always love watching blue mirrors in eternal formats, the play patterns that come out of it are so interesting and it feels like absolute peak magic to me
most of the vintage players i have played with are pro proxy. vintage paved the way for proxies in cedh. they've been doing 10-20 proxies allowed in tournaments for years. Just gotta get them to fully commit to all proxy haha
I think it depends. I have always seen vintage tournaments allow 10-15 proxies, which before vintage I hadn't seen any formats allow. but perhaps for some of the BIG tournaments they are not allowed. I agree it is not as proxy friendly as cedh, but maybe that can change!
More Vintage, please. Vintage is its own format and meta that’s constantly changing. You can legit play some wonky decks that go from jokes to meta crushing, like Food Chain Goblins, which has the advantage of being agro, hating artifacts heavily, and combining your win on T1 if not interfered with.
The power 9 wasn’t printed in modern frames. These are most likely 100% proxy decks. They probably order a ton of proxies for all of their cedh decks Edit: I see that they’re 30th anniversary edition. My bet is still proxy
Vintage is the only format I would suggest mulliganing very aggressively as your hand needs to be able to do the thing the deck is designed to do by at least turn 3.
Timewalk is basically a timewalk. Incredible
“You mean my worst nightmare - a four five” Is quite possibly the funniest thing to ever come from this channel.
I like how it’s Tinker vs Hogaak and none of them saw play 😂 felt more like Bazaar vs Sheoldred
Hogaak showed up for one game
I like how Hogaak was supposed to be this goofy little commander card and then it snapped Modern over its knee.
hogaak was released in MH1, it was intended for modern they just didnt playtest as much as they needed to, i think they thought it would be a cool late game closer as opposed to just coming out turn 2 or so and winning
Hogaak was released for Modern. Idk what are you taking about xD😂
@@timothydalton2388 I know it was released in MH1, but I'm pretty sure it was designed for commander. Most of the pushed moderns cards for the set featured no cost to cast (FoN, FoV), cheap modal abilities (W6, archmage's, Kaya's Guile) or did something on etb (ice fang). Notably, Urza and Yawgmoth break the mold on this, but it's pretty clear that they were designed to be attractive in multiple formats.
@@castanus4343Released in MH1, yes. But like all MtG products nowadays, the target market is actually Commander players. Golos was released in a Standard-legal set. Did WotC only intend it for Constructed formats? Smothering Tithe was released in a Standard-legal set. Do you think it was intended for Standard? Garth One-Eye and Chatterfang were printed in MH2. Do you really think they were printed with Modern in mind?
@@castanus4343Hogaak was designed with commmander in mind. Just like Omnath, Locus of Creation, another plague of constructed formats (especially Standard)
Those Rootwallas made more appearances than Hogaak did lol
But great Vintage gameplay. Nice to see more formats and it's nice to have the regular play comments on your own plays. Hope to see more of these formats in the future
Not really a matchup where Hogaak shines tbf
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I don't even play Vintage and these games were SICK. Immediately made me want to proxy a deck and try it out.
I proxied a few vintage decks for my brother and me to play. Trouble is he has zero interest in the format lol. At least I didn't spend much on those cards.
Love seeing some vintage content! Little Bolas' Citadel tip for Cam at 8:25 - take a peek on top of the deck just in case there's a counterspell there.
Seeing you guys play vintage is pretty sweet, and we did it, we got to see a time walk
That closing song was majestic. Loved the gameplay. Would love to see some Canadian Highlander.
found you guys from this vintage vid. Great stuff! the cEDH is cool but would also love to see more of this or maybe some canlander... :)
2:23 did Cam just untap his library?
That's vintage babeee
Its funny how a lot of strategies in Vintage/legacy kind of mirror strategies in CEDH but not all of them. I cant think of a mirror to Jewel shops or Hogaak/bazar in CEDH. Also I love the content, keep up the awesome work!
I'd say the closest for hogaak would be old stickfingers, and for the storm would be k'rrik.
most CEDh combos originate from Vintage/legacy@@raymakerscalisthenics660
That cause the cards that make those decks arent commander legal
Well the singleton format kinda makes it hard to build a bazzar of bagda deck in commander. Or any other competitive vintage deck. Also imagine comander with time vault? Tassa's oracle would be childs play
A deck that can use bagdad effectively is terrible if you don't have bagdad, so in a 100 cards singleton format what are you gonna do?
I love how the Timewalk was effectively just a "2 mana draw 1" this game
@10:55 you definitely cast the mbt there but you know that he has a deterministic win with access to vamp tutor in the graveyard and a senseis top in play so most players would just scoop to the yawg will
3:55 - getting a Dark ritual here would leave Cam with enough mana (use it to Yawgmoth’s will, replay the Lotus, mox and the ritual) to still drop the Citadel on T1.
Would love to see more 1v1 content in vintage, legacy and modern
This is fucking amazing. cedh and vintage all in one channel!!!!!??????? Hell yeah!
love the facecams during the game! cool to see different formats pop up on the channel
I actually really enjoyed this! Nice to see cards I don’t get to see that often in edh.
I love vintage, I would love to see you guys to do vintage cube with viewers!!! My buddy has a proxied vintage cube and it’s so fun!
That was fun!! Btw, at 16:00 you could pump the rootwalla using DRS for lethal
YESS, PLAY TO WIN 1V1
Hell yeah! I live paper vintage, it's fun seeing y'all try to pilot them
Lovely to see you try other formats ! Will you ever consider trying duel commander (with the banlist used at magiccon Chicago) ?
I loved this!!! Do some more formats like legacy as well these are awesome little change of pace
Glued to the screen! This was such an awesome vid. Love how yall did the sideboard and had the cards out.
Algorithm just recommended this, absolutely love vintage, would love to see more ^^
I love the foray into some 60 card play. I can’t wait for more!
I just built an entirely proxies Vintage Cube and drafted it with friends this weekend. SOOO much fun doing busted things or losing to busted cards. 10/10 would recommend.
I liked the video, this format is fast and funny, and something different too see. And its more funny watching you guys using cedh cards in a different scenario 😂
The way Richard Garfield intended.
In the first game where Cam played beseech, what was in his hand? I think I saw a yawgmoth's will which shuts off that line, but could you have gone for tinker into bolas citadel? Idk if it's enough, but you have a land drop left so that's nice 🙂
Love the 1v1.gameplay 🙌
Hopefully see more of it in future
Likely that in g3 where u get a sheoldred u had a lethal yawg will storm t1 kill
Mox mox lotus beseech beseech will mox mox lotus beseech tendrils
Additional answers to questions posed: Sideboarding I actually dont really like leyline at all vs hogaak. Its a deck that can operate outside the yard very well. from gaak side id bring in 4 fov 3 mbt 2 endurance. From beseech side im bringing in snuff out for ouphe, delgue, tab, sheo, portal, needle, dismember. The way i look at it the gaak either pressures fast with an above average hand or stops beseech with fov/ouphe/endurance. From the beseech side you are always super favored and u just dont want to die to an ouphe.
"Not ment to keep no bazaar hands" actually Hogaak and Cradlevine variants are really fun because u can keep non bazaar hands. Hands with Fov and early ouphes would be keeps in the matchup
Overall not bad! Thanks for the content hope to see more in the future
The vintage GOAT in the comments, love to see it
That episode was just pure joy to watch! Give me more high power 1v1 formats please!
I have to admit I'm a little confused by the Force of Vigors in the sideboard. Isn't that pretty much a mandatory 4-of maindeck in Gaak? It and ouphe are your only forms of interaction game 1.
Awesome match!
The casted serum powder for sure mattered: could have kept the wasteland, waste the Academy
I believe the official 5 game format is 2 main, (up to) 3 sideboard
That's how I've seen Playing with Power do their 1v1 games, and I've really enjoyed it. It gives a better chance for each deck to show off it's thing both pre-- and post-board
This was killer! I've been thinking about getting a proxy Vintage deck together
Great video! Love the post game commentary. You earned yourselves a subscriber 🎉
Nice this was fun to watch!
love you guys playing different formats! sick
Nice episode. Pretty cool to see some vintage.
Is there any chance of a Duel Commander series like this guys?
Awesome decks, a good showcase of power on a chill channel. I wonder if cEDH 1v1's would be good content?
Love the vintage! Pleases my tiktok brain to see a new game every minute. Hope you guys play more stuff like this!
Great games! looking forward to more!
I am pretty sure two moxes, lotus and Beseech is a turn one win(with or without Yawgmoth's Will in your hand). Beseech for Bessech float an extra mana sac the other mox cast dark ritual. Cast Yowgmoths's Will from hand leave one black mana in the pool. Lotus, mox, mox, dark ritual, beseech(from graveyard) for beseech for beseech for Tendrils of Agony. The storm is definitely enough to kill your opponent. If your opponent has a counter spell, the Sheoldred will be countered as well.
Yeah! 1vs1 content! letsgooooooo
I would love to see more formats being played, specially stuff like legacy, vintage, or even two head giant, since Magic can be such a diverse game.
So sick to see some 1v1 games. You guys should try Canadian Highlander! It's great and I think you would like it.
Might be wrong here but, in your last attack with the vine, the ouffe and the lizzard, couldnt you just +2+0 the lizzard exiling a land in a graveyard for a red mana?
YES good catch
I would love to see more vintage but next time maybe pit 2 blue decks against each other? I always love watching blue mirrors in eternal formats, the play patterns that come out of it are so interesting and it feels like absolute peak magic to me
Love this vintage plays.. more vintage thank you
I love vintage so much! I play it regularly on mtgo, and would love to see one of you play Oath
This was honestly super sick to watch,
Love seeing the crazy stuff I vintage.
Wish it was as proxy-friendly as cEDH
most of the vintage players i have played with are pro proxy. vintage paved the way for proxies in cedh. they've been doing 10-20 proxies allowed in tournaments for years. Just gotta get them to fully commit to all proxy haha
@@PlaytoWinMTG oh cool! Maybe I'm working off of outdated info. I had heard the large events were still pretty unfriendly to them
I think it depends. I have always seen vintage tournaments allow 10-15 proxies, which before vintage I hadn't seen any formats allow. but perhaps for some of the BIG tournaments they are not allowed. I agree it is not as proxy friendly as cedh, but maybe that can change!
This might be the first time I've ever seen Tolarian Academy hit the board and not have its controller immediately break the game in half
Why do you attack with Deathrite Shaman? It can drain for more damage than it can attack for. Might have made the difference in the last game.
Are you guys prepping for the NY vintage tournament in June?
I love that you are playing vintage. Incredible.
Couldn't dethrite have activated to pump blazing rootwala for the kill game 5?
I have never watched vintage but wow. Vintage is nuts when you have all moxen and lotus available
Out of curiosity are these proxies or is the flex that unreal
Some really kickass games
in game 3 if you beseech for tinker you can put a sphinx or citadel into play and just win on the spot no?
This is what I wanna see the most just see the fast broken stuff is awsome
Do you guys proxied these decks or do you really have everything?
Im pretty positive they proxy a decent bit. I have vague memories of them talking about that b4
You gotta be real rich or lucky or old to have all of these cards.
Hell yeah some 1v1. Can y'all try some canlander? I love singleton formats. 😅
What music was used for this video?
These games were fun but also demonstrated why the singleton vintage formats like auslander and canlander more fun to build and play.
Gives me canadian highlander vibes. Would love to see that format next time.
time walk is legal but when you're machinegunning your hands at each other sometimes it's just a cantrip
would love to see this more
you could have used deathrite to produce red mana by exiling your bazaar in your graveyard and used it to pump blazing rootwalla for lethal
That Patreon coming in big, boys got power now 😮
(Ik proxies but dayng full time with benefits)
Super nice video!
If you really think about it, time walk is basically a time walk
I believe a manifold is a 3d mesh with two sides and one border.
More Vintage, please. Vintage is its own format and meta that’s constantly changing. You can legit play some wonky decks that go from jokes to meta crushing, like Food Chain Goblins, which has the advantage of being agro, hating artifacts heavily, and combining your win on T1 if not interfered with.
Why didnt Cam have a sphinx of the steel wind in?
looks like there wasnt one in the list.
Vintage Magic? Appreciating seeing some powerful magic 1 v 1 when I don't often get to see it
out of curiosity, what cards where real in this vid?
VINTAGE!
When are we getting more vintage
it speaks for Rarrans mental toughness for not showing signs of his PTSD for the second card. ;)
Do you guys own all of those cards or are some cards like the power 9 proxied? Regardless, super cool video!
The power 9 wasn’t printed in modern frames. These are most likely 100% proxy decks. They probably order a ton of proxies for all of their cedh decks
Edit: I see that they’re 30th anniversary edition. My bet is still proxy
@@andrewpost91they prob own the duals and the cedh staples
In other videos they've mentioned that they print proxies as needed.
Vintage is so wild and fun, love these games
More vintage pleasseeee
Vintage is the only format I would suggest mulliganing very aggressively as your hand needs to be able to do the thing the deck is designed to do by at least turn 3.
As an ignorant about vintage I was expecting some "I kill you before you draw" tipe of game, actually pretty cool decks
please more vintage!!
Sick ass vid guys, loved that shit
Never really noticed that we pronounce "manifold" as "manafold." They are incredibly similar if you arent saying it slowly
Love vintage content
I just want more 1v1 the content feels easier to follow but also I just enjoy the side bar and 1 on 1 convo times
Note: I do mostly watch the vodcasts which is why I like the 1 on 1 conversations a lot they are just funny peoples!!!
Mind trap was for the sensei divining top
Crazy how Sheoldred pretty much beat a $45,000 vintage deck by itself. Still in standard btw
I heard that a one mana draw three is pretty good
Yall should try canlander
Time Walk is basically Time Walk.
dont hold the mindbreak trap, top will draw a force on the way to cast tendrils.
Are these proxies😊