i know its very minor with no affect on the outcome but Ken cannot present his cloudstone loop using the shield spear because it is an artifact creature and doesn't trigger curio. could have just used any of his other 3 creatures on the field that cost 0 to cast tho.
@@krenarspahiu4261 i mean, sadly i think he did with the Shrieking drake. But only technically with the cloudstone curio because as mentioned there were legal targets.
I had the pleasure of meeting Ken at the snowy summit 5k in denver back in july. He’s just as swell of a dude in person as he seems to be on these shows.
The long intermission though. Dylan’s latenight talkshow host wink. Cam’s exit. This is why we watch (or listen to) Play to Win. Also, Flubs with that combo at the end, goodness!!
Flubs just says “increase the win chances of whoever lands a Rhystic or Remora to 75%”. He feeds the crap out of it and has nothing to prevent the win that almost inevitably follows. I guarantee that game 1 would have been a Cam win if he had gotten to his turn.
if another player would like to use the shield of the coward (Rhystic Study) to win a game of cEDH, that is not the province of the fool; it is between them and their god
@@rightmerk4192 we don’t want stuff like that, if the interaction don’t draw a card we don’t want it, if we was to do that we would just run chain of vapor and protection pieces. You heard Ken this deck prolly won’t be winning any tournaments without anyway to protect, but you know what? That’s just a chance you take when your a damn fool 😂🐸
It didn't matter but shield sphere shouldn't have triggered cloudstone because it's an artifact. He just needed to cast any non artifact creature or trigger kitten and bounce kobold
I might be crazy but I'm pretty sure Ken missed a win attempt at 19:17. If he had played the shrieking drake untapping the island with EC as well as floating a green from Gea's Cradle he would have been able to keep his island untapped with song on board and drake in hand. Wasn't sure if there was something I was missing because the deck gets very complicated.
Tl;dr: he actually could start the loop by paying the "sacrifice a creature cost" first, then mana, then exile three other cards (which now includes the sacrificed creature), so everything's good. The different sub rules of 601.2 break down the super nitty gritty of casting spells. Of particular relevance here is 601.2a, e, f, and h. A is when it moves to the stack, e checks that it can be legally cast (it can via permission from Escape; it doesn't check whether the cost can be paid yet), f determines the total cost ({1}{B}, Sacrifice a creature, Exile three other cards from your graveyard), and h allows for all costs that don't involve random elements or moving cards from a library to a public zone to be paid in any order. So you can pay the mana, then sacrifice the creature, then exile three cards which includes the creature now in the graveyard.
all 3 big bans in the first 2 turns. It's almost nostalgic at this point lol. Won't lie though I'm liking how thinky lines are in my Rakdos the Muscle without the big 3.
NOTE: Ken had the appropriate creatures to make the loop work. Funny thing about Cloudstone Curio, it keeps getting ruled back and forth on whether or not it sees an artifact creature as an artifact or just as a creature. Last i was informed, it sees an Artifact Creature as an Artifact making targets like Memnite, and Ornithopter illegal targets. While he could not target Shield Sphere like he said he does he has the mentioned Cloud of Faeries and Rokrhah, son of Rokrhah and one of the weird 0 mana red creatures.
love flubs I play this same list I didn't get a chance to actually play cause the ban hit right after and hurt us on DS but how you won without casting DS was amazing ken 👌🏻
correct me if i'm wrong but couldn't Ken have won at 19:16 by casting drake in response to its trigger tapping gaes cradle for 1 green and then tapping drake to untap an island through earth craft which would have given him enough mana to cast song of creation and then recast shrieking drake infinitely to draw his deck.
It will prolly end up being taken apart and for Dylan to say "its trash, im going back to playing blood pod" and then proceed to not play blood pod on the channel.
When you have the reputation of being the most technical player in the pod, sometimes you make mistakes and no one points it out thinking they must be the ones in the wrong
Tl;dr: he actually could start the loop by paying the "sacrifice a creature cost" first, then mana, then exile three other cards (which now includes the sacrificed creature), so everything's good. The different sub rules of 601.2 break down the super nitty gritty of casting spells. Of particular relevance here is 601.2a, e, f, and h. A is when it moves to the stack, e checks that it can be legally cast (it can via permission from Escape; it doesn't check whether the cost can be paid yet), f determines the total cost ({1}{B}, Sacrifice a creature, Exile three other cards from your graveyard), and h allows for all costs that don't involve random elements or moving cards from a library to a public zone to be paid in any order. So you can pay the mana, then sacrifice the creature, then exile three cards which includes the creature now in the graveyard.
Flubs is my go-to commander now. I've been playing him for a month or so straight now when I play on our game nights. He had been tweaking him, and to me, he craved lands, all the lands, lands lands lands, nothing but lands and landfalls. So Springheart with Dyrad and Lotus Cobra, make a few copies of Cobra. Then, after that, you legit just can play the entire deck, made sure no exile cards were in there. Had like 40 lands out and like 50 or 60 Dyrad tokens, with 100s of mana floating of varying colours. At that point, I should have just thrown my entire deck on the board, but everyone scooped.
In my defence, my friends should know not to let Flubs stay on the board. As we can see, you don't even need Flubs once you got the right cards to still Be Flubs. I really wanna see if there is a super niche way to play him, it's already fun sending him at someone for 0 commander damage. Just still new to mtg.
@08:34 asking rather than claiming anything. When FoW counters SevRec, isn’t there a copy of SevRec on the stack since it says if it was cast from a gy copy it? Wouldn’t Tyler been able to have a cmc 3 or less permanent come back? Genuinely not super sure regarding the resolution and the copy of it.
not even done with game 1 yet and a two mana investment has provided a 1/1, a 5/5, and killed 3 things. God why couldn't they have banned bowmasters instead not to be too negative though, i did enjoy the games, Flubs is wild
Casually glancing over the 5 mana generated T1 from Kona (without a land drop), the 7 mana generated T1 from Ishai, and Tyler immediately tutoring for a Dockside that generated 8 mana on T2 is an interesting perspective on the bans.
So I added devoted Druid machine god effigy combo to replace more mana ramp infinite, what’s thoughts on throwing astral dragon to add to combo list for kinnan
Hey Cam, what card were you hoping to find with Fish when Tyler was going off in game 1? He had Grand Abolisher in play, so I'm curious what you are on that gets under this loop with Abolisher in play. My best guess is Otawara, I think? But I'm not sure how you use that land without an untapped blue source in play. Also, Cam, I'm SO sorry about game 2, but the *SECOND* that you said you pitched Misstep to FoN over a Gamble, I *KNEW* you were about to lose to a Noxious Revival 😂
Is Ken really playing upside down rather than just flipping the screen? Very appropriate for Flubs though 😂😂
this is freaking me out
Insane flex
Not gonna lie, I was half expecting Dylan to actually sit there the entire time Cam was gone 😂
that would've been so good. disappointed they didn't even though most viewers would've skipped it anyway
That scene was a comedian masterpiece. 😂
Flubs D. Fool
Ken for president!
Ken for CEDH CAG !
I love that you are playing upside down. So flubs like.
really going to put his full legal name here?
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!!!
CLIMB ABOARD AND BRING ALONG ALL YOUR ZERO DROPS!
"I am watching and so is God." that was too funny, good games guys.
i know its very minor with no affect on the outcome but Ken cannot present his cloudstone loop using the shield spear because it is an artifact creature and doesn't trigger curio. could have just used any of his other 3 creatures on the field that cost 0 to cast tho.
yes! caught that after the game but luckily I had a few other idiots in my hand I could've easily cast
@@kenlikescarbs still a very nice win. I've been thinking about making a flubs deck cause it's chaotic which I love
So what you're saying is........Ken cheated. 😎😎😂😂JKJK!!!!
@@krenarspahiu4261 i mean, sadly i think he did with the Shrieking drake. But only technically with the cloudstone curio because as mentioned there were legal targets.
@MageSkeleton I know....just joking. Lol
the intermission bit is exactly why I love this channel so much
I had the pleasure of meeting Ken at the snowy summit 5k in denver back in july. He’s just as swell of a dude in person as he seems to be on these shows.
This video should have called 'Counter and a Card'😂
The long intermission though. Dylan’s latenight talkshow host wink. Cam’s exit. This is why we watch (or listen to) Play to Win.
Also, Flubs with that combo at the end, goodness!!
Flubs just says “increase the win chances of whoever lands a Rhystic or Remora to 75%”. He feeds the crap out of it and has nothing to prevent the win that almost inevitably follows. I guarantee that game 1 would have been a Cam win if he had gotten to his turn.
that's how it plays kinda stormy like ruby storm lol
@@jtmoney606 IK that, the issue is that doing it into any draw engine just punts away the win.
if another player would like to use the shield of the coward (Rhystic Study) to win a game of cEDH, that is not the province of the fool; it is between them and their god
Thats why you run into the flood maw to bounce the fish or study before you storm off
@@rightmerk4192 we don’t want stuff like that, if the interaction don’t draw a card we don’t want it, if we was to do that we would just run chain of vapor and protection pieces. You heard Ken this deck prolly won’t be winning any tournaments without anyway to protect, but you know what? That’s just a chance you take when your a damn fool 😂🐸
I have absolutely been binge watching these vids the past few weeks and I'm pumped to catch a new one! You guys really are making great content!
That clip of Dylan telling Cam he played the game without him plus Dylan letting Cam leave and then waving on the second game was great 😂😂😂
Dylan's turn 1 should be stored in a time capsule so future generations can know what cEDH once was....
I loved cam’s “oops” at the end about the wheel of fortune
That is one of the craziest and most unusual turn ones I’ve seen
awesome to see the Ishai/Jeska aggro side of the deck doing so well even in the "Dockside era"
Love the phonk during kens turn
Ken starting to read chainsaw man in the middle of the game cause he's empty handed god I love Flubs decks
Playing upside down is wild 😂
That last Flubs turn cycle had to be 40 minutes
It didn't matter but shield sphere shouldn't have triggered cloudstone because it's an artifact. He just needed to cast any non artifact creature or trigger kitten and bounce kobold
To be fair they can just target kobold instead right?
@@MellowDramas Yeap, he just needed to cast another non-artifact creature to bounce the kobolds and the chain will begin.
I might be crazy but I'm pretty sure Ken missed a win attempt at 19:17. If he had played the shrieking drake untapping the island with EC as well as floating a green from Gea's Cradle he would have been able to keep his island untapped with song on board and drake in hand.
Wasn't sure if there was something I was missing because the deck gets very complicated.
I’ve been thinking about trying the Flubs deck out and this is the push I needed to dive into it. Great showing for all the decks!
That "Intermission" was comedic GOLD
Not a regular fan of cEDH, but seeing someone actually using Flubs has my full attention.
Wasn’t the portable hole exiled to the March isn’t Tyler one card short to escape the tutor
Tl;dr: he actually could start the loop by paying the "sacrifice a creature cost" first, then mana, then exile three other cards (which now includes the sacrificed creature), so everything's good.
The different sub rules of 601.2 break down the super nitty gritty of casting spells. Of particular relevance here is 601.2a, e, f, and h. A is when it moves to the stack, e checks that it can be legally cast (it can via permission from Escape; it doesn't check whether the cost can be paid yet), f determines the total cost ({1}{B}, Sacrifice a creature, Exile three other cards from your graveyard), and h allows for all costs that don't involve random elements or moving cards from a library to a public zone to be paid in any order. So you can pay the mana, then sacrifice the creature, then exile three cards which includes the creature now in the graveyard.
all 3 big bans in the first 2 turns. It's almost nostalgic at this point lol. Won't lie though I'm liking how thinky lines are in my Rakdos the Muscle without the big 3.
It's a fun format as long as you don't immediately die to rog lol
@@jakemaxwell3810 that was true a month ago though too lol
@@ctromsky5729 hah, true! At least there were other fast decks too
Seeing this flubs gives me flashbacks to modern cheeri0s. I absolutely love this
Kona in a cEDH table is wild and I love it!
Dylan definitely gambled for the dockside extortionist, it was the discarded. RIP.
More intermissions please, I love this
NOTE: Ken had the appropriate creatures to make the loop work.
Funny thing about Cloudstone Curio, it keeps getting ruled back and forth on whether or not it sees an artifact creature as an artifact or just as a creature. Last i was informed, it sees an Artifact Creature as an Artifact making targets like Memnite, and Ornithopter illegal targets. While he could not target Shield Sphere like he said he does he has the mentioned Cloud of Faeries and Rokrhah, son of Rokrhah and one of the weird 0 mana red creatures.
I've been waiting for another flubs game!
why can Ken cast the Crop Rot from GY with Drannith Magistrate on the field
Crop rot came from hand, you can see it "drawn" with Abundance at 25:07.
Flubs looks like a lot of hard work but damn that was fun to watch
13:00 ish my boy Cam waking up and choosing violence
Totem plus dismantler is such a brutal opener, that was sick
That wink did somethin to me Dyl
I love my Kona deck in casual. Has it won? Noooooo. Is it ridiculously fun? Absolutely! 😂
love flubs I play this same list I didn't get a chance to actually play cause the ban hit right after and hurt us on DS but how you won without casting DS was amazing ken 👌🏻
yalls intro music is always slamin! I love it
Glad to see Cam play my favorite deck, Jeska ishai jeskai again. I miss seeing that it in action.
correct me if i'm wrong but couldn't Ken have won at 19:16 by casting drake in response to its trigger tapping gaes cradle for 1 green and then tapping drake to untap an island through earth craft which would have given him enough mana to cast song of creation and then recast shrieking drake infinitely to draw his deck.
So many times I'm watching you guys and wish i could give a 2nd thumbs up
It's really nice seeing Kona on the table! I'm closely following your deck evolution ;) thanks!
It will prolly end up being taken apart and for Dylan to say "its trash, im going back to playing blood pod" and then proceed to not play blood pod on the channel.
Well, hope not! Even if I recognize the hostility it gets in EDH. In 1v1 environment looks more viable. Also why always quirion ranger in the 99??
Tyler exiles his portable hole, but then put it in his graveyard, and used it to pay for escape!
Illegal!!! lol
Yea
When you have the reputation of being the most technical player in the pod, sometimes you make mistakes and no one points it out thinking they must be the ones in the wrong
Tl;dr: he actually could start the loop by paying the "sacrifice a creature cost" first, then mana, then exile three other cards (which now includes the sacrificed creature), so everything's good.
The different sub rules of 601.2 break down the super nitty gritty of casting spells. Of particular relevance here is 601.2a, e, f, and h. A is when it moves to the stack, e checks that it can be legally cast (it can via permission from Escape; it doesn't check whether the cost can be paid yet), f determines the total cost ({1}{B}, Sacrifice a creature, Exile three other cards from your graveyard), and h allows for all costs that don't involve random elements or moving cards from a library to a public zone to be paid in any order. So you can pay the mana, then sacrifice the creature, then exile three cards which includes the creature now in the graveyard.
2:15 now you just need Nadu
Flubs is my go-to commander now. I've been playing him for a month or so straight now when I play on our game nights. He had been tweaking him, and to me, he craved lands, all the lands, lands lands lands, nothing but lands and landfalls. So Springheart with Dyrad and Lotus Cobra, make a few copies of Cobra. Then, after that, you legit just can play the entire deck, made sure no exile cards were in there. Had like 40 lands out and like 50 or 60 Dyrad tokens, with 100s of mana floating of varying colours. At that point, I should have just thrown my entire deck on the board, but everyone scooped.
In my defence, my friends should know not to let Flubs stay on the board. As we can see, you don't even need Flubs once you got the right cards to still Be Flubs. I really wanna see if there is a super niche way to play him, it's already fun sending him at someone for 0 commander damage. Just still new to mtg.
30 min video = immediate like
I really wanted to see Cam's Omnath deck! Maybe next ep
What song is playing in the background at the very end 26:55-28:45
That one untapped Mountain at the end there, I figured Cam had a Bolt in hand and was just enjoying the show
I love watching Flubs gameplay 😂🎉❤
That wink.
Perfect wink
The phonk on song of creation storm is perfect
Bruh...I absolutely love Ken. ONe of my favorite players and brewers hands down.
@08:34 asking rather than claiming anything. When FoW counters SevRec, isn’t there a copy of SevRec on the stack since it says if it was cast from a gy copy it? Wouldn’t Tyler been able to have a cmc 3 or less permanent come back? Genuinely not super sure regarding the resolution and the copy of it.
When you flashback SevRec you choose an initial target. The copy of SevRec is only created on resolution.
@@nate1004 got it. Hence why Tyler announces the initial target then I guess.
The rules are also pretty clear. Just didn’t have time to check on initial watch lol.
@@lokumo13 I understand the confusion though. It’s not super clear without the gatherer rules text or prior knowledge.
A C O U N T E R A N D A C A R D
Awesome games! Loved seeing so many of the banned cards before they are gone forever!!
Ken is the vibes, reading Chainsaw Man mid game
I saw the Mana Crypt + Jeweled Lotus then chuckled.
I saw Cam's Mana Crypt into a red source, I went "No way"
did tyler not have a win with the broodlord getting saw in half, convoke it using the broodlord and grand abolisher and then go through a line?
he might not be on broodlord. i know a lot of TJ decks only switched to that AFTER the bans
oh derp hadnt seen game 2. yes he could have won there if he was able to tutor for saw in half
@@alanschellenberger9356 nope I'm stupid there's a drannith in play that's why, broodlord fetches to exile so
What a crazy Flubs storm win 🏆 👏
That wink 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love flubs. Makes sisays amount of interaction look great. 😂
When will we get to the recordings with the bans in effect?
not even done with game 1 yet and a two mana investment has provided a 1/1, a 5/5, and killed 3 things. God why couldn't they have banned bowmasters instead
not to be too negative though, i did enjoy the games, Flubs is wild
Casually glancing over the 5 mana generated T1 from Kona (without a land drop), the 7 mana generated T1 from Ishai, and Tyler immediately tutoring for a Dockside that generated 8 mana on T2 is an interesting perspective on the bans.
3:05 Tyler needs to make sure that if his Bowmaster trigger’s target is no longer a legal target, he doesn’t get to amass.
12:37 Hilarious!😂😂😂
🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 🐸 we love frog
Iam new to this but at 27:42, should the retrace ability be blocked by Drannith Magistrate ?
for the flubs abundence
i believe he grabbed the drake off the wishclaw, so it wasn't in hand when flubs triggered
Ken is a hero
i think cams bathroom break was a "smoking" break
I saw the CSM manga ! Cultured 💯❤️
How does ken cast the crop rotation through drannith?
Did I miss how he was able to cast crop rot from his yard against the drannith magistrate? or was that in hand
just in my old fashioned hand
So I added devoted Druid machine god effigy combo to replace more mana ramp infinite, what’s thoughts on throwing astral dragon to add to combo list for kinnan
Why not, Chain of vapor the breach in response to Wheel, in game 1?
I got that same mug from Target, they have the BEST mugs
Just curious are there cedh decks that run mindslaver loops, I have a very promising bant deck list I’m trying to tune out just need ideas
Does anyone know when we’ll start getting post ban gameplay?
Flubbadubdub!!!
Love KEN!!!
Hey Cam, what card were you hoping to find with Fish when Tyler was going off in game 1? He had Grand Abolisher in play, so I'm curious what you are on that gets under this loop with Abolisher in play. My best guess is Otawara, I think? But I'm not sure how you use that land without an untapped blue source in play.
Also, Cam, I'm SO sorry about game 2, but the *SECOND* that you said you pitched Misstep to FoN over a Gamble, I *KNEW* you were about to lose to a Noxious Revival 😂
What's the track from 24:50?
If Cam hadnt mentioned his 1 non spell interaction, he could have stopped Tyler
Ken is back!
and Flubs is just amazing in duel commander! recomment that
What was cams one card out with grand abolisher out?
Portable Hole was exlied to the the march of otherworldly light right? Idk if it matters, but Tyler tries to flashback Sevinne's Rec targeting it
I don’t think cloudstone curio will trigger at the end, since it only bounces non-artifact creatures, sorry Shield Sphere
why the lands on Ken's board are in the front? 😢
I remember Ken saying that he was going to read a book when it isn’t his turn. Can’t believe he actually did that haha.
I cannot figure out how to make Flubs work. I've tried.
I love that Jeska Ishai is back 😍
Did I see dockside on the preview?
Flubs is my hero!
Flubs ❤
Hey guys, is there any way to order those cool playmats in Canada ? I tried the merch store but it only seems to ship to US.
how long until theres gameplay post bans?
I think I swooned when Dylan winked at the camera!