(Sorry for the long comment, but I hope @MyShowerThoughts reads this) I’m so confused by the sentiments some of the comments in this comments section and assuming that the antithesis what this video is getting at is “letting women do what they want”. That’s exactly what a lot of the women reacting to this article want for Ballerina Farm. To have wished for her to done as she wanted, when she wanted. As a Mormon, Daniel could have found any other Mormon woman who dreamed of being a housewife with a lot of kids and only wanted to raise them on her own without concerning herself with anything else financially. Instead, he found a woman on track as a dancer in the most prestigious performing arts school in the US, was continuously rejected by her for 6 months, didn’t get a clue, followed her onto a plane to force proximity with her for 5 hours straight to get her to go out with him, they start dating, gives her an ultimatum to marry him after just 4 months of dating, when she wanted to date at least a year before marrying, and wanted to finish her education, and has kept her pregnant for the consequent 8-9 years afterwards, (even though she tried having a career in ballet after they married, but if was cut short after a certain number of kids), and on top of all that, still refuses to get her help with the childcare (unless he wants to go to date night), despite being worth $400 million and can absolutely afford it, and allows his wife to be completely out of commission for a week at a time due to exhaustion. I feel like we really need to have a discussion about how religion plays into this, because I think that people who assert “I thought feminists/progressives were for women doing what they want, this is what she chose”, don’t quite understand the dynamics that religion plays in matters like this, especially Mormonism. No disrespect to Mormons or Mormon teaching, but it’s one thing to say that “hey this is a free world, the choice is yours to do whatever you wish,” and saying, “hey, this is a free world, you can do whatever you wish, but if you choose this, you may condemn yourself to eternity in hell.” Mormonism is very much so in promotion of family, having a lot of kids, etc.. Was this her choice? Yes. Was she likely also essentially raised to believe that her choice was between her dreams of being a ballerina and postponing having a family for a bit (NOT not having kids, just waiting a little longer to have them), or having kids immediately, obeying a man, (who you have to hide getting an epidural from), thus bringing glory to God and potentially guarantee eternal life for yourself? Also probably, yes. So you can make of this situation what you will. If it’s free will, if it’s indoctrination used as a mask for free will, or whatever. Because, lemme tell you, there are plenty of women who are traditional wives and raising kids all on their own, and they’d have help if they could afford it. There’s nothing untraditional about having help. The Bible even mentions women/mothers having help/handmaidens. Seriously, it’s not all throughout Christianity, but certain sects are definitely more prone to this than others. I really love how some videos are specifically bringing up the Book of Mormon and the role its teachings and Mormon culture play in this situation, because it’s 100% incredibly relevant, especially when discussing the matter of “choice” and who benefits from these choices. Think: who benefits? Whose choice? Because they can call themselves Co-CEOs all they want, at end of the day, they both internalize a text that say his word is final and that it is good in the eyes of God to obey what he says despite her wanting to disagree. If he’s in the room and has a say, she’s giving birth naturally. If he’s in the room, they’re filling up the 15 seater. If he’s in the room, she’s getting an egg apron. If he’s in the room, they’re getting married in 4 months. If he’s in the room, the kids get a school house, she doesn’t get a ballet studio. Whose choice? Who does it benefit? One perfect example of this is the whole matter of the plane tickets and childcare: he was able to pull a few strings to sit next to her on a plane for 5 hours or get childcare on the days that he wants date night, but he can’t/won’t get her childcare at any other time despite her extreme exhaustion or tickets to Greece despite her seemingly having expressed her desire to go, and him being able to very easily make it happen. He will seemingly only do these things when it benefits him. Being a traditional wife isn’t an inherently terrible thing, but just as you have to tell a high powered career woman working herself to the brink of exhaustion: women are people, and people aren’t machines. It’s okay to take breaks, it’s okay to accept help from others, you are still a valuable human being if or when you do.
And maybe this is a bit of a reach, but as a Christian myself, I can 100% see a woman such as Ballerina Farm interpreting choosing between marriage and a career in ballet, (something that she worked her whole life trying to do, physically worked for, struggled financially for, traveled across the country for, etc.) as some sort of ultimate test from God. And as she was likely raised believing that family creation was something inherently glorifying, (with marriage and having children being very pedestalized in Mormon culture to the point where being single past a certain age is regarded with pity), and nothing of the sort is really said in the Bible or Book of Mormon about ballet really, the choice could have been made from there. (Yes, there is the verse about King David dancing for God all throughout one night, but that’s not a whole career).
You explained it soo welll.!! I feel like religion at some point lost its plot and has brainwashed many in a way they are not able to think for themselves. And like you said, men are the ones who tend to benefit from it and it is not that I’m hating on men… it is just that it is true. @the_yv_edit has a video on tiktok where she explained it so well and put the video in my religion: the mother of all oppressors video and I feel like there is so much to talk about but for now, I’m still researching. Omg!!! You explained it so well. 🤭Thank you
This is a well-done video. I found it by doing a search for "tradwife" because I was unfamiliar with the meaning of the term. I think it's important for young people to realize this is not reality. For context, I am a 62 year old man. I remember as a kid my mother being part of a huge wave of women and moms asserting their independence and returning to careers they had sacrificed to fulfill this role of the "stay at home mom". I think people now have forgotten that the lifestyle of the 1950s and 1960s was not some utopian existence. I've always supported women seeking real equality, and it seems strange to me to see something like "tradwife" appearing now after all the struggles of previous decades. It is no more real than those magazine ads from the 1950s.
Οk..the kids run around, they are kids this what they do. Either you have help or not they re gonna continue running around. Hello west! Children are and should be the kings of chaos! If someone dreams of doing 14 kids he/ she gonna be happy, normally, because it was their dream. The problem starts when people are trying to impose their own life as the best solution for everyone
I am in no way “pro trad wife” but I have to clarify; that article from The Times is allegedly, narratively false. There’s an audio recording of the interview where Hannah talks about how she decided to give up dance (after having children). Which is in contrast to what the author actually wrote in the article. There’s allegedly more. Maybe put a disclaimer in the video/in the description so people can know the situation? I know this is supposed to be a video on why being a trad wife isn’t something you really want, but using allegedly false material sort of negates the validity of what you’re saying.
Some parts of the recording are accurate tho. That part I will say seemed more light hearted, but the parts where she would immediately change her answer to what her husband was saying after she already said what she thought was pretty accurate to what happened. It just depended.
Bruh leave women alone and stop tryna promte feminism on everyone, let peopl decide what they want. FYI that ballerina farm was all false, because the reporter was a feminist and had hidden intentions to ruin the family, hope she gets sued.
Why do feminists keep saying that men hate women? Some do, but not all. You're saying this as if that's everyone. This video is clearly biased, and while I do agree that the "trad wife" is unrealistic and dumb, stoking the flames of the culture war is even more so. And I'm honestly tired of that...
She literally says "not all men" in the video. I initially rolled my eyes when she did cuz i thought "surely men that are smart enough understand that, no need to state the obvious" but sadly you demonstrated how necessary it is, and even then it's not enough
She said “many” men, not “all men”. Which, idk how on the internet you’ve been as of late, but it sounds like this is referring to the statements and overwhelming reactions of men wishing harm towards women during the “when did you start begin hating your girlfriend” trend, and “man or bear?” trend. These are relatively recent events that garnered the reactions of tens to if not hundreds thousands of men across the world wide internet very explicitly expressing their hatred towards women, even women they claim to love, and even women who they don’t even know, and don’t know them. Now, this could just also be me thinking this, but if you know anything about or have been hearing about trad wives as of late, there’s a good chance that you’ve seen both of these things as well and thus understand the assertion that “there are many men who hate women”, because many men have admit that publicly recently. But if you haven’t heard of that, GOD BLESS, keep doing what you’re doing because you deserve to have a good algorithm and I wish mine was like that. I’m saying this with full sincerity, no snark, no sass, no sarcasm, I wish it so badly.
(Sorry for the long comment, but I hope @MyShowerThoughts reads this) I’m so confused by the sentiments some of the comments in this comments section and assuming that the antithesis what this video is getting at is “letting women do what they want”. That’s exactly what a lot of the women reacting to this article want for Ballerina Farm. To have wished for her to done as she wanted, when she wanted. As a Mormon, Daniel could have found any other Mormon woman who dreamed of being a housewife with a lot of kids and only wanted to raise them on her own without concerning herself with anything else financially. Instead, he found a woman on track as a dancer in the most prestigious performing arts school in the US, was continuously rejected by her for 6 months, didn’t get a clue, followed her onto a plane to force proximity with her for 5 hours straight to get her to go out with him, they start dating, gives her an ultimatum to marry him after just 4 months of dating, when she wanted to date at least a year before marrying, and wanted to finish her education, and has kept her pregnant for the consequent 8-9 years afterwards, (even though she tried having a career in ballet after they married, but if was cut short after a certain number of kids), and on top of all that, still refuses to get her help with the childcare (unless he wants to go to date night), despite being worth $400 million and can absolutely afford it, and allows his wife to be completely out of commission for a week at a time due to exhaustion.
I feel like we really need to have a discussion about how religion plays into this, because I think that people who assert “I thought feminists/progressives were for women doing what they want, this is what she chose”, don’t quite understand the dynamics that religion plays in matters like this, especially Mormonism. No disrespect to Mormons or Mormon teaching, but it’s one thing to say that “hey this is a free world, the choice is yours to do whatever you wish,” and saying, “hey, this is a free world, you can do whatever you wish, but if you choose this, you may condemn yourself to eternity in hell.” Mormonism is very much so in promotion of family, having a lot of kids, etc.. Was this her choice? Yes. Was she likely also essentially raised to believe that her choice was between her dreams of being a ballerina and postponing having a family for a bit (NOT not having kids, just waiting a little longer to have them), or having kids immediately, obeying a man, (who you have to hide getting an epidural from), thus bringing glory to God and potentially guarantee eternal life for yourself? Also probably, yes. So you can make of this situation what you will. If it’s free will, if it’s indoctrination used as a mask for free will, or whatever. Because, lemme tell you, there are plenty of women who are traditional wives and raising kids all on their own, and they’d have help if they could afford it. There’s nothing untraditional about having help. The Bible even mentions women/mothers having help/handmaidens.
Seriously, it’s not all throughout Christianity, but certain sects are definitely more prone to this than others. I really love how some videos are specifically bringing up the Book of Mormon and the role its teachings and Mormon culture play in this situation, because it’s 100% incredibly relevant, especially when discussing the matter of “choice” and who benefits from these choices.
Think: who benefits? Whose choice? Because they can call themselves Co-CEOs all they want, at end of the day, they both internalize a text that say his word is final and that it is good in the eyes of God to obey what he says despite her wanting to disagree. If he’s in the room and has a say, she’s giving birth naturally. If he’s in the room, they’re filling up the 15 seater. If he’s in the room, she’s getting an egg apron. If he’s in the room, they’re getting married in 4 months. If he’s in the room, the kids get a school house, she doesn’t get a ballet studio. Whose choice? Who does it benefit?
One perfect example of this is the whole matter of the plane tickets and childcare: he was able to pull a few strings to sit next to her on a plane for 5 hours or get childcare on the days that he wants date night, but he can’t/won’t get her childcare at any other time despite her extreme exhaustion or tickets to Greece despite her seemingly having expressed her desire to go, and him being able to very easily make it happen. He will seemingly only do these things when it benefits him. Being a traditional wife isn’t an inherently terrible thing, but just as you have to tell a high powered career woman working herself to the brink of exhaustion: women are people, and people aren’t machines. It’s okay to take breaks, it’s okay to accept help from others, you are still a valuable human being if or when you do.
And maybe this is a bit of a reach, but as a Christian myself, I can 100% see a woman such as Ballerina Farm interpreting choosing between marriage and a career in ballet, (something that she worked her whole life trying to do, physically worked for, struggled financially for, traveled across the country for, etc.) as some sort of ultimate test from God. And as she was likely raised believing that family creation was something inherently glorifying, (with marriage and having children being very pedestalized in Mormon culture to the point where being single past a certain age is regarded with pity), and nothing of the sort is really said in the Bible or Book of Mormon about ballet really, the choice could have been made from there. (Yes, there is the verse about King David dancing for God all throughout one night, but that’s not a whole career).
You explained it soo welll.!! I feel like religion at some point lost its plot and has brainwashed many in a way they are not able to think for themselves. And like you said, men are the ones who tend to benefit from it and it is not that I’m hating on men… it is just that it is true. @the_yv_edit has a video on tiktok where she explained it so well and put the video in my religion: the mother of all oppressors video and I feel like there is so much to talk about but for now, I’m still researching. Omg!!! You explained it so well. 🤭Thank you
I like your articulation and presence of thought.
Thank you🙏🏾🥹 I do struggle to put my thoughts into words
This is a well-done video. I found it by doing a search for "tradwife" because I was unfamiliar with the meaning of the term.
I think it's important for young people to realize this is not reality. For context, I am a 62 year old man. I remember as a kid my mother being part of a huge wave of women and moms asserting their independence and returning to careers they had sacrificed to fulfill this role of the "stay at home mom". I think people now have forgotten that the lifestyle of the 1950s and 1960s was not some utopian existence. I've always supported women seeking real equality, and it seems strange to me to see something like "tradwife" appearing now after all the struggles of previous decades. It is no more real than those magazine ads from the 1950s.
Thank you🙏🏾🥰
Οk..the kids run around, they are kids this what they do. Either you have help or not they re gonna continue running around. Hello west! Children are and should be the kings of chaos! If someone dreams of doing 14 kids he/ she gonna be happy, normally, because it was their dream. The problem starts when people are trying to impose their own life as the best solution for everyone
I am in no way “pro trad wife” but I have to clarify; that article from The Times is allegedly, narratively false.
There’s an audio recording of the interview where Hannah talks about how she decided to give up dance (after having children). Which is in contrast to what the author actually wrote in the article.
There’s allegedly more. Maybe put a disclaimer in the video/in the description so people can know the situation?
I know this is supposed to be a video on why being a trad wife isn’t something you really want, but using allegedly false material sort of negates the validity of what you’re saying.
Thanks😊 I didn’t know about the audio
How was she supposed to be a ballerina with 3 young children while pregnant with baby number 4?
Some parts of the recording are accurate tho. That part I will say seemed more light hearted, but the parts where she would immediately change her answer to what her husband was saying after she already said what she thought was pretty accurate to what happened. It just depended.
Bruh leave women alone and stop tryna promte feminism on everyone, let peopl decide what they want. FYI that ballerina farm was all false, because the reporter was a feminist and had hidden intentions to ruin the family, hope she gets sued.
Why do feminists keep saying that men hate women? Some do, but not all. You're saying this as if that's everyone. This video is clearly biased, and while I do agree that the "trad wife" is unrealistic and dumb, stoking the flames of the culture war is even more so. And I'm honestly tired of that...
Yes, not all but many do
She literally says "not all men" in the video. I initially rolled my eyes when she did cuz i thought "surely men that are smart enough understand that, no need to state the obvious" but sadly you demonstrated how necessary it is, and even then it's not enough
She said “many” men, not “all men”. Which, idk how on the internet you’ve been as of late, but it sounds like this is referring to the statements and overwhelming reactions of men wishing harm towards women during the “when did you start begin hating your girlfriend” trend, and “man or bear?” trend. These are relatively recent events that garnered the reactions of tens to if not hundreds thousands of men across the world wide internet very explicitly expressing their hatred towards women, even women they claim to love, and even women who they don’t even know, and don’t know them. Now, this could just also be me thinking this, but if you know anything about or have been hearing about trad wives as of late, there’s a good chance that you’ve seen both of these things as well and thus understand the assertion that “there are many men who hate women”, because many men have admit that publicly recently. But if you haven’t heard of that, GOD BLESS, keep doing what you’re doing because you deserve to have a good algorithm and I wish mine was like that. I’m saying this with full sincerity, no snark, no sass, no sarcasm, I wish it so badly.