I thought I was going to be a hex thrower for life … then I lost my perfectly seasoned hex … cried bitterly but saw through my tears a red echo I had bought and shelved a few months ago. When I took it out for a spin it flew exactly the same as my beloved hex … I cried again but tears of joy. Shortly thereafter I aced with this echo and it solidified its place in my heart and my bag.
A disc that deserves (much) more love is the Streamline Stabilizer. I saw that Eagle bags it now and I hope that will help it out of it's "unknownness"!
I throw mostly Detours and Manas as of late, which I would say the Mana has a very similar feel to the Echo which has been in the bag in the past for me. Buddy uses the Echo as a forehand flip up disc pretty regularly.
I spent a morning just throwing 3-4 mid-ranges to get an idea of which ones worked better in my hands with my beginner noodle arm. For me, the Echo was not as consistent a flyer, but the Lat 64 Pearl and Remix Torpedo were easier to control and were more consistent in going where I wanted. Part of it is how they throw, part is how they feel. Being an old guy, I prefer to throw the disc that works for me more than what is in a pro's bag or on a "best" mid-range recommendations list. I'll take a look and try those discs, but it is just a starting point. That being said, in a while, if I get better, I'll pull the Echo out of my pile of discs and give it a try again. Thanks for the video.
@@ArmoryDiscGolf I found it sitting abandoned in the used disc bins. All kinda stained and dirty. I laughed when I saw the flight numbers, but it was cheap enough to try. It's a sweet throw - almost light and delicate. Just feels good and its works when I need it.
I'm just a newbie but my echo seems more like my resistor and gives me a different enough of a flight than my detour to use them both. I like the hand feel since I've started using it after the circuit challenge.
Maybe a weird take, but I've never had a disc that felt so comfortable in my hand as the echo as well. I'm also a totally biased Streamline fan though.
I have a lot of respect for that mold but from what I've seen (limited exposure) they seem run-dependent. I've seen some that fly like Roc3s and some that fly like Meteors haha
I also love the Echo, and completely got the same view of the disc when it was new, very similar to the hex (but perhaps a rad glidier). But after a few rounds of use however, I think it broke in to the numbers it have. Now for me it is a; throw flat and let it drift out type of disc.
Haven't tried the creature, IDK that I've heard of it. The torpedo is essentially the Mint Mustang from what I understand, which are great discs as well 👍
It reminds me a lot of a Buzzz SS, and it's actually had me eyeing some of 'em in the shop haha. But I agree, I like Streamline so I'm happy with the Echo rn
I just played a round at Wolf Pen today, and I must say, I ECHO everything you said about the course. Also, Great pitch for the disc! I've never heard of it before today, but I am looking forward to trying it out.
Yeah my Hex is ever slightly more stable. I've got to make a hard decision about whether they're different enough for me to bag both, given that the Hex in my bag is a little more beat in
What’s the weight on your Echo? I have a Hex in 175g weight , should I buy an Echo in the same weight as the Hex? Always good and informative content! Keep up the good work 💥
The sticker fell off but I'm fairly certain it's 175ish, give or take 1-2g. Yeah I'd just grab it in whatever weight you like throwing your Hex in, thanks!
Yeah, but I WILL say- they are pretty consistent within their own family. Like the Hex flies like what I would expect from a 0,1 but the Detour is a tick less stable and the Reactor is a tick more stable, as the numbers would indicate. Etc. etc.
@@ArmoryDiscGolfthis right here is why I would advocate for partial brand loyalty for newer players. As a brand new player, there are simply too many manufacturers with too many molds in too many plastics to reliably anticipate what a new disc will do. However, regardless of whether the flight numbers are “true”, I feel you can reliably see which disc will be more/less stable than what you currently bag based off flight numbers within a given manufacturer. Some manufacturers are more consistent than others, but I hate people that rag on others for brand loyalty.
Oh nooo you gave up right before you got to the Insanity! haha But in general, I agree- their drivers and putting putters haven't really impressed me but I love their 3-9 speeds
@@ArmoryDiscGolf thinking of the discs I have tried. It would be close to a lighter weight Dynamic Discs evader. If comparing it to something in MVps line up, it would be a straighter Volt. In my experience and opinion, MVPs gyro discs are better in lighter weights (160 to 170), because with the density of the plastic they use on over mold being heavier than the core plastic, they discs are harder to get the right amount of speed and spin at heavier weights. Going lighter makes it easier. Similar principles can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/Nw6ry2apRAQ/v-deo.htmlsi=cFCj_f7ZsYc9VExP ua-cam.com/video/NafMsMCfErk/v-deo.htmlsi=iAcPNwzUy7asllpb
I thought I was going to be a hex thrower for life … then I lost my perfectly seasoned hex … cried bitterly but saw through my tears a red echo I had bought and shelved a few months ago.
When I took it out for a spin it flew exactly the same as my beloved hex … I cried again but tears of joy.
Shortly thereafter I aced with this echo and it solidified its place in my heart and my bag.
poetry 👌
A disc that deserves (much) more love is the Streamline Stabilizer. I saw that Eagle bags it now and I hope that will help it out of it's "unknownness"!
I throw mostly Detours and Manas as of late, which I would say the Mana has a very similar feel to the Echo which has been in the bag in the past for me. Buddy uses the Echo as a forehand flip up disc pretty regularly.
I spent a morning just throwing 3-4 mid-ranges to get an idea of which ones worked better in my hands with my beginner noodle arm. For me, the Echo was not as consistent a flyer, but the Lat 64 Pearl and Remix Torpedo were easier to control and were more consistent in going where I wanted. Part of it is how they throw, part is how they feel. Being an old guy, I prefer to throw the disc that works for me more than what is in a pro's bag or on a "best" mid-range recommendations list. I'll take a look and try those discs, but it is just a starting point. That being said, in a while, if I get better, I'll pull the Echo out of my pile of discs and give it a try again. Thanks for the video.
Been a while since I've heard someone bring up the Pearl! I agree that feel is a big deal, especially with so many options in every slot
@@ArmoryDiscGolf I found it sitting abandoned in the used disc bins. All kinda stained and dirty. I laughed when I saw the flight numbers, but it was cheap enough to try. It's a sweet throw - almost light and delicate. Just feels good and its works when I need it.
I'm just a newbie but my echo seems more like my resistor and gives me a different enough of a flight than my detour to use them both. I like the hand feel since I've started using it after the circuit challenge.
Oh, the Eclipse Echo is noticeably more stable than the Neutron ones are 👍
Maybe a weird take, but I've never had a disc that felt so comfortable in my hand as the echo as well.
I'm also a totally biased Streamline fan though.
I don't know if anything will be as comfortable as a Firebird, but the Echo is a up there for mids in my book 👍
I'm trying the echo right now. It is competing with the Prodigy M4. The Cale Laviska M4 is the straightest disc I have ever thrown.
I have a lot of respect for that mold but from what I've seen (limited exposure) they seem run-dependent. I've seen some that fly like Roc3s and some that fly like Meteors haha
I bag 2 of the 2023 OTB Open proton soft Echo's. Great approach/long putt disc
Those came along before I was throwing Echos but now I really want one, those look sick...
@ArmoryDiscGolf, they are still available. Otb, infinite, disc golf deals usa have them in stock.
@@ArmoryDiscGolf otb has them with the fox stamp and the whales
I also love the Echo, and completely got the same view of the disc when it was new, very similar to the hex (but perhaps a rad glidier). But after a few rounds of use however, I think it broke in to the numbers it have. Now for me it is a; throw flat and let it drift out type of disc.
I'm interested to see how it breaks in over time, because my Hex has held pretty solid for about a year now
Have you tried Remix Disc Creature ($12)? Remix Disc Torpedo ($10) is straight mid range.
Haven't tried the creature, IDK that I've heard of it. The torpedo is essentially the Mint Mustang from what I understand, which are great discs as well 👍
I just liked the video editing where you battle-putted against yourself.
That one took a little while to put together so I'm glad you enjoyed it 👊
I use a buzzz ss for that slot. But I love the echo. Streamline is a great brand! Try the jet!
It reminds me a lot of a Buzzz SS, and it's actually had me eyeing some of 'em in the shop haha. But I agree, I like Streamline so I'm happy with the Echo rn
I'm using an M4 in 300. I like it okay, but I may have to give the Echo a try.
I like the M4, it's just a little wider diameter than I prefer
I started throwing a pathfinder for that slot and it’s been working really well for me
Another great option with some MVP plastic! Great art to choose from on those too, which is always fun
I just played a round at Wolf Pen today, and I must say, I ECHO everything you said about the course. Also, Great pitch for the disc! I've never heard of it before today, but I am looking forward to trying it out.
Part of me wants to try to make WPC great... Part of me wants to let it die. Lol
Bagged it ever since the circuit challenge. Also bag a Hex. Echo straight minimal fade. Hex has a little more fade for me.
Yeah my Hex is ever slightly more stable. I've got to make a hard decision about whether they're different enough for me to bag both, given that the Hex in my bag is a little more beat in
The echo is money! Its dead straight....once beat in, it's a midrange proxy.
What’s the weight on your Echo? I have a Hex in 175g weight , should I buy an Echo in the same weight as the Hex? Always good and informative content! Keep up the good work 💥
The sticker fell off but I'm fairly certain it's 175ish, give or take 1-2g. Yeah I'd just grab it in whatever weight you like throwing your Hex in, thanks!
All MVP discs are more stable than their numbers.
I'm sure you know this lol. Even streamline.
Yeah, but I WILL say- they are pretty consistent within their own family. Like the Hex flies like what I would expect from a 0,1 but the Detour is a tick less stable and the Reactor is a tick more stable, as the numbers would indicate. Etc. etc.
@@ArmoryDiscGolfthis right here is why I would advocate for partial brand loyalty for newer players. As a brand new player, there are simply too many manufacturers with too many molds in too many plastics to reliably anticipate what a new disc will do. However, regardless of whether the flight numbers are “true”, I feel you can reliably see which disc will be more/less stable than what you currently bag based off flight numbers within a given manufacturer. Some manufacturers are more consistent than others, but I hate people that rag on others for brand loyalty.
Great content and editing. Thank you!
Most are.
I bag a fresh Echo as a slightly beat in Hex option.
How long do they hold their stability? I'm wondering if I'll feel different in a month or two
I picked up one cheap. Now my mids are the Detour, The Echo and the Nord..
Solid lineup! The Nord is a really solid disc, if I didn't bag a Mint Taco I think the Nord would be in the bag 👍
I love mvp putters and mids. I've given up on anything above a 7 speed.
Oh nooo you gave up right before you got to the Insanity! haha
But in general, I agree- their drivers and putting putters haven't really impressed me but I love their 3-9 speeds
Disc that needs more love (from an AM position): Alfa Discs Apollo and the Axiom Wrath.
I've been wanting to try a Wrath. What would you compare it to?
@@ArmoryDiscGolf thinking of the discs I have tried. It would be close to a lighter weight Dynamic Discs evader. If comparing it to something in MVps line up, it would be a straighter Volt.
In my experience and opinion, MVPs gyro discs are better in lighter weights (160 to 170), because with the density of the plastic they use on over mold being heavier than the core plastic, they discs are harder to get the right amount of speed and spin at heavier weights. Going lighter makes it easier.
Similar principles can be found here:
ua-cam.com/video/Nw6ry2apRAQ/v-deo.htmlsi=cFCj_f7ZsYc9VExP
ua-cam.com/video/NafMsMCfErk/v-deo.htmlsi=iAcPNwzUy7asllpb
I bag an echo because it was easier for my noodle arm to do hex things than it was with an actual hex 😅
haha same, apparently. I think that it's just way more natural for me to release with hyzer so the Echo does "Hex things"
I have a stable meteor that files just like that.
it's a great slot 🙌
Hex
Can't go wrong with it 😎 I will say, my Hex has stood the test of time very well, I'm curious how the Echo will fare as it beats in
@@ArmoryDiscGolf Hex is pretty straight for me with just a touch of fade at the end. The Crave is just as good and a bit longer.
People sleep on the m2😴
I don't know that I've ever actually felt one. I might be confusing the M2 and M1. I want to throw yours next time I see you
Gobi 🥏
Isn't that OOP now?