What a great analogy. I was only diagnosed about 14 months ago. An analogy I came up with to describe my experience was that going through life undiagnosed is like playing a game where everybody knows the rules except you. And nobody will tell you the rules. And when someone tries to tell you the rules, they don't make any sense. And then when you try to join in anyway, everybody gets mad at you for doing it wrong. Now I'm diagnosed it's still kinda like that but I don't have to try so hard to play the game. I can play my own way :)
Their rules are super clear, they write them down and everything. What you are referring to is the infinite number of excuses they use to break the rules. What you are perceiving as rules are not, never have been, and never will be "rules". They have regular internal emotional breakdowns. Rather than take responsibility for these breakdowns as self inflicted, they expect validation, in the form of sentiment. Never, ever forget, there is no such thing as "emotional intelligence". This is just one excuses in a thousands of years long string of excuses, used to try and validate, invalid decision making. We have what's called "history" as proof of their inability to create a proper system. Don't ever let them make you feel like your the broken one for actually having control over your mind and emotions. 🙂
I get a lot of the “if you can’t even do that then you have no hope” but then trying to actually learn and improve is like fishing with a straw, no returns.
@@benphillips4081it's like in real life, when you play an MMORPG amd you need help with something in the game so you ask for clarification in the global chat, thinking other players will tell you (since they are playing the game and probably know), but they just make fun of you or ignore you, instead. 😂
@@benphillips4081you and I think quite alike. It really is about them not following their own rules. Then, they get mad at people like me for calling them out on it, then respond by holding us to higher standards that they hold themselves to just to try to get back at us, thinking that we're calling them out as a way to be petty, rather than simply holding them accountable.
There's a lot to be said about the idea that we are not as different as we believe ourselves to be. It is like we are living an exaggerated existence. Autistics have exaggerated emotions, exaggerated misunderstandings, exaggerated sensory responses, exaggerated processing issues. It is like we are living our lives turned up to 11 (if you're familiar with the Spinal Tap reference). I think this is why so many of the things that could be done to accommodate us would actually be beneficial to neurotypicals. The things that make us meltdown are the same things that neurotypicals find annoying. We would all be better off if we expected less multitasking, used less fluorescent lighting, and reduced noise pollution. We would all be better off if our culture was more direct. Just because you can tolerate something doesn't mean you should be expected to.
Yeah I see in the news “supermarkets turning down bright lights and music for 3 hours a day to aid blah blah” like why do you need that so desperately in the first place? I don’t need crappy music when shopping.
Wow very interesting….before my brother snapped damn genius left behind 😢 he said we need to be direct and honest with people…especially with children; because the truth needs to be told
Your channel is the best in explaining the subjective experience of autism that a lot of autistic people have difficult explaining and neurotypical people in understanding because most of the time they never feel them. It is not an easy thing to do, good job!
8:12 the connection you made about how autists are quicker to push back against something that feels wrong which large populations only do after they’ve been pushed too far is a totally new way of thinking for me. 😮. Thanks.
I really enjoyed the connection/parallels between public disillusionment with their material conditions and the politicians who ought to be serving us, making the public feel autistic. They're so out of touch
Completely unrelated but whenever I see someone say neurotypical I like to suggest an edit. I'm pushing for the replacement of the word neurotypicals to neurodifficults. It's much more accurate. Go forth and spread the word.
Yeah, but when I experience loss, I have no backup - I end upliving on the street, fearing for my life. Shall I feel empathy or concern about these entitled pricks and their smug families? Nah.
@@KittyCraic: "forced to put down their entire family" That sounds a bit extreme. While there are certainly cases of murder suicides where several family members are killed, I've never heard of it in relation to someone losing a fortune.
@@glennmckenzie1096 whilst I can appreciate your perspective, I do have to point out that someone not being able to empathize with you doesn't make it okay for you to willingly forego your own empathic abilities out of spite or vindication. It's for the same reason why you can't fight fire with fire. By reciprocating failure to empathize, you're only feeding a cycle of mutual abuse. Be the change you want to see, lead by example, and hold to your values because you value them - not because you think others should value them; lastly, treat others the way you want to be treated.
@@E.Hunter.Esquire While I get what you're trying to say, as an elderly disabled person, with no support, that all just sounds like wishful thinking. "Be the change you want to see' - better get my embroidery hoop out and make something pretty for my wall eh? That'll make it all right. Geez, I'm lucky to have enough energy to get through the basics of the day. And in fact often it's just the bitter resentment that fuels me to keep living. Which is a question that is up for grabs at this very moment ...
Another similarity might be how it feels to be gaslit. In fact, I think autistic people are a major target of gaslighting, and can end up thinking it was just a neurotypical person being neurotypical. I don't believe this is the case though, I don't find gaslighting is or should be considered normal. Autism is a convenient way of shifting blame, because the autistic person can get singled out and be the example of why they're the problem, not the gaslighting, and how is the austistic person supposed to know for sure when they're gaslit? Even neurotypical people struggle with this one because it's designed for anyone and everyone. Trauma from this kind of behaviour can also be hard to detangle from autism because trauma has a number of symptoms where anxiety and dissociation can make socialising more awkward and difficult, their nervous system is dysregulated, so on and so forth. It would probably be hard getting a diagnosis when there's more at play. If it's possible some people are getting diagnosed as autistic when they've suffered trauma, it would make it more likely to discredit the person diagnosed and in some cases getting justice is even harder. Austistic people have often got a strong sense of justice, yes? A gaslighter tends to be the opposite, and they know how to work a courtroom. A person with known mental health problems rarely get listened to in the court of law, it's only in recent years they've had a voice at all in the court of public opinion. Thankyou for the milder and politically safe (imo) example of how autism feels.
Great analogy, thank you. I feel being hungover works as an analogy for sensory overload, atleast my bf understood me immediately. Whenever we host or attend something social with lots of family (birthdays and the likes), we spend a couple of days afterwards taking care of our ‘hangovers’. The bigger the event or pressure, the bigger the ‘hangover’.
That's one hell of an analogy, and very well explained
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I got my ASD diagnose a couple years ago as an adult. As I was listening to this video and you told the background (which I hadn't seen in the news before) I realized that I didn't wonder about Sunak's behaviour and that my brain had automatically started thinking of probable reasons for it. And then I realized that it's likely a mechanism I have subconsciously developed to make more sense of the world ("they must've had their reasons, so I can try and guess them"). Thank you for opening my eyes :)
I recently read about ambiguous discrimination places a double burden on minorities, and I feel like the double empathy problem may well be a key component of it. And yeah, almost everyone can have the experience of gaining weight and feeling queasy sometimes - but it doesn't follow that "everyone is a little bit pregnant" 😂
My family has a history of mental illness and I have a friend who's bound to a wheelchair who was treated cruelly and ostacised by her family and the government refuses to care, the tories will regret this whenever there is an election in the future past anyone who cares about Rishi Sunak or remembers him because this just solidified my hate for them even more, they will never care about the cruelty and abuse of my sisters and family
Just a heads up, and not attacking you, but saying someone is bound to a wheelchair is negative and implies they're trapped in a wheelchair, when in fact most wheelchair users see them as a tool that allows them to more successfully access the world.
I'm starting to think that a peculiar aspect of ASD might be the individual's connection to 'superego' (sorry to freud).. that where an autist can experience descrete structural links to societal expectation (with perhaps variable rigidity or elasticity), the neurotypical seems to experience society more like being immersed in a liquid (with perhaps variable viscosity) ... Or that's just my first pass at an understanding of double empathy
I retreat into silence/ my own space a lot, and struggle to explain myself to others. I'm only just unpacking my experience through the lens of neurodivergence. Anyway this was a helpful analogy, thanks :)
Very interesting. Yes the whole situation around that event is unexplicable. He even apologised to the journalist for keeping him waiting. The media was even able to use that against him. It was as though they'd cynically led him into a trap. Perhaps they did. It's all very disturbing.
I’m probably the same age as you but have never had a diagnosis for Autism- been accused of many quirky traits along with more standard stuff ranging from sweet to nutter & more ! Anyway- this is one of the best straightforward explanations of being around in Britain at least today. Brilliant . Our young neighbour does though have Autism. He recently successfully passed his 1st driving test without a single fault which confused us ( because he’s always apparently been confused by rules & norms we take for granted or struggle with ) & spurred me to learn more . This helps - thanks Quinn . 😁👍🐢❤️🐀👽
Thanks for commenting & I wish you well with your search for new knowledge. Some autists don't choose to drive, some can't because of co-occurring difficulties like dyspraxia, but from a "rules" point of view, driving's a doddle for many of us compared to "real life" simply because there ARE clear rules & laws in place. Most autistic confusion & disconnection in daily life comes from behavioural & social rules & conventions actually being far more flexible in practice than in theory. If social "rules & norms" were applied with the same veracity & rigidity as driving laws then autistic life would get a lot easier. FWIW I passed my driving test without fault on my first time too, at the age of 25 (still a LOOONG time ago😂). I just didn't have a need to drive before then😉
Thank you! You are an excellent communicator and I found what you said most illuminating! I'm an INFJ with triplet nephews, two of whom have Asperger's... and I find large areas of overlap with them.
Interesting to think that economic and social disparities within a society can be so great that they create the same disconnect as having slightly divergent neurological processes. The variation and complexity in human brains and human communication are lovely things aren't they?
Quinn, I am an Aspie Girl and I hear you and agree 100% .Your piece is SO powerful as a tool to help those who are neurotypical to understand and see the world as we experience it. That feeling of utter incomprehension, obsessing to find a logical set of factors that make Sunaks actions make logical sense to balance the great betrayal, disrespect, and hurt to others; his personal senseless self-sabotage , making such a fundamental error as a head of state , in middle of an Election??? Why would he do that? The question is always in the absence of a serious personal tragic event, what is he seeking to gain from this? What is the motive?What is the reward that justifies the damage? There is NOTHING!! My skin physical hurts just thinking about this and my anxiety level is at 11 ( spinal tap as prev mentioned) This is how I feel about everything that does not make logical sense or is vague, gaslighting, mendacious or just plain lies. It sends me into a mental and physical spiral of pain. Exactly as it has done for every neurotypical person who values what our veterans did for us and our country before I was even born. All those young boys rushing to their deaths to fight the Nazi’s. All those grieving Mothers and families. The bravery and sacrifice is incomprehensible to all who were uninvolved or born post WW2. How could ANYONE not be deeply affected by this? Sunaks decision is to my mind, the epitome of elite, pampered, out of touch, selfish, unpatriotic, laser focused solipsism and staggering arrogance, bad character and judgement . But to get to this conclusion was painful, as is every day with Autism navigating a post truth world. Bring back facts, truth, honesty and integrity. For our sanity please 🙏🏼 xx
Hello Quinn. I’m Mark and I’m autistic. 👍😎 I don’t know why I’ve only just come across your channel. Thanks for communicating so clearly and calmly. Although I’m autistic myself, I do struggle with some autistic bloggs because they can get very long winded. Other UA-camrs talk too fast for me to process and I feel anxious and stressed by that. Your delivery was perfect and your points were so meaningful for me. They help to give ways to understand my experience, and maybe they’ll help me articulate it to others. Maybe. Depends how interested they really are. 😐
Or indeed why he called a surprise election without giving his own party time to prepare. When almost everyone else thought it was the worst possible timing.
I have OCPD, which I dont see as an affliction as most people with Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder don't, but as this makes me very organised and in an autistic way confuses me why no one else sees the world as I do it's also very lonely especially at work because I seem to stand out from everyone else and that brings in division like at school being a swat the crazy thing is im also ita which was a form of spelling brought in the 70s as spelling as it sounds like the Americans do but was only a failed test so people like me have to try even harder just to get it right. I don't have autism but I totally get why Politicians can make us feel this way as other mental health issues also border on this. Thank you for your video.
A month after this video was posted and the UK is in riots and social disquiet as political leaders refuse to listen and acknowledge the concerns of the public. How canny Quinn.
A month after you released this, I saw a video on Warographics (one of Simon Whisler’s channels) about the new head of NATO, Mark Rutte of The Netherlands, & I commented that some of his traits appear to be autistic. I was COMPLETELY SHOCKED when someone replied to my comment, “It is no wonder many Dutch citizens call him a psychopath or a sociopath.” I have to wonder if Europeans’ attitudes toward autism were colored by the events that you're describing, considering it happened less than a month later.
I'm so glad you went into it b/c as an american, I've been looking at this in my suggestions for days going "Who???? Who is this person and why is he casting autism on people???" So apparently it's someone in politics.
As a Kiwi I don't know much about Sunak, apart from when he was openly transphobic from how large platform, in a country which is one of the worst (and increasing so fast) for trans people in Europe + wanting to ship off immigrants. Can't say it's give me a high opinion of the guy. Although, note to the video, though I do agree people are feeling more disconnected from politicians everywhere, I feel the fact that the Tories in the UK have been in power since 2010 have really disconnected them from the public even more, also not helping that is rather than ballencing out the bias, the major labour priminester since Thatcher was their most right wing. It probably gives them an immense amount of false power.
There's decently worse even in Europe for trans people. Turkey, Poland, and Russia come to mind off the top of my head. Our biggest issue is healthcare and media.
@@TheGreatAmphibian Bro def has not listened to medical advice, unless you mean the dodgy Cass Report or Blanchard's APG and related theories. All the major medical boards agree with gender affirming treatment which for kids before puberty is just name, pronoun and presentation change. Then in a theory though vary rare they can go on puberty blockers (which is not HRT) during teenagers years and don't give me any of your transphobic bs, puberty blockers are used to delay early puberty already. Then in late teenage years after multiple years of theory they can go on HRT which basically is medically inducing a less powerful opposite sex to their assigned gender at birth puberty. As for surgeries, no bottom surgery is supposed to happen before 18, if it happens it's illegal and it's not common + the vast majority of trans people have not had bottom surgery, 50% of Transfems don't want it while the vast majority of Transmascs don't want it. The only surgery performed, and almost entirely on older teenagers is top surgery, since for some transmascs having breasts can give them massive dysphoria and though not the same it is common for many women and girls to get breast size reducing surgery to help them with being able to move and live comfortably as large breasts can be very heavy and get in the way of everyday tasks. Also, what is your evidence that trans children are "disturbed", having gender dysphoria is not dysmorphia nor is a delusion. Probs you won't read this so I will finish with one final statement, UP YOURS WOKE MORALISTS WE'LL SEE WHO CANCELS ALSO, also you're a bigot and horrible person. Good day
A teenager I couldn't make head or tail of my peers. What they did, their attitudes etc seemed so incomprehensible and left me very confused. My brother would say I sounded like an old lady giving off about young people nowadays when I was still a teenager myself. Now everyone seems to have become a bit more sensible though. Adult peers seem to be a lot less incomprehensible, they can still be confusing, but nowhere near as confusing as teenagers.
5:07 - 5:26 Very astute, Quinn. This is an apt analogy that highlights generally how someone might feel when engaging in exchanges across neurotypes. The many comments on this video also serve to validate and corroborate what you've said, here. It ought also to be considered that neurotypicals very likely feel the same when interacting with someone that is autistic. There is actually some recent research that covers this. I can't recall the names on the exact study that I'm currently thinking of, but you can find it and similar things by searching Google with a query such as, "Study Autistic communication across types," or something along those lines. If you want me to find it for you, tag me and let me know.
Thanks for commenting. What you're describing is actually still just Double Empathy (examined a little deeper). The "Double" refers to the shared nature of the problem. An individual may fail to empathise with another, but the Double Empathy problem only arises when BOTH (or ALL) parties fail to empathise with each other.
Thanks for your reply, Quinn. Double empathy is a nuanced topic and I appreciate you bringing that up, Quinn. It's certainly important to recognize that any interaction is between two or more participants, and that each participant plays their own part and is responsible for their own behaviors, actions, and reactions. Additionally, what we expect vs what happens does indeed depend on theory of mind phenomena which, admittedly, is a premise for empathy tasks (we have to place ourselves in someone else's shoes in order to predict what they might say or do, or even mean). In such a context, where a TD peer might have difficulty understanding direct communication, they would benefit from perspective taking. The A peer would also benefit from perspective taking when they fail to receive the TD peer's speech employment. This, however, is off-topic from the focus of the study. The study was primarily focused on identifying and demonstrating actual non-idiosyncratic speech and social patterns in A participants, firstly, and secondly in determining whether the supposed A employment of language was coherent from A to A participants VS coherence of TD to TD or TD to A. In the study, they relayed information from a story to their peers, in controlled contexts, where perspective taking was not truly a factor, rather the goal was to accurately relay information to their selected partner. The study successfully identified language use that was unique to A participants and non-idiosyncratic. Furthermore, it demonstrated that the language use led to minimal information loss when the information was transferred from A to A, that slightly more in formation was lost from TD to TD, and that significant information was lost from TD to A and A to TD. This implies that A language use is actually more efficient than TD language use, especially when within type, and it shows that A and TD literally use and interpret language in fundamentally different ways. It also implies that there is more variation in language cognition among TD peers than in A peers, suggesting that A language cognition seems to actually be a minor improvement, reducing idiosyncratic language use, and increasing accuracy of language use, but that's tangential. The point is that it's more than simply empathy, as this study shows, as it also is about fundamentally different cognitive processes at work, as well as cognitive processes being used in fundamentally different ways, even when applied to the same applications. So, empathy plays a part, in the topic you're talking about in the video. However, in the study I mentioned, it wasn't about empathy, rather it was about language cognition.
I'd like him more if that were true, but I think he's a sociopath (like Boris J.) whose ambition far exceeded his abilities, and he's having to find that out the hard way. He lacks people skills, guile and grit and should have stuck to his previous parasitic career making money out of money...
Sometimes I'm so disillusioned it makes me lose touch with reality. Once my sister was relaying a story to me about a man acting bizarrely disrespectfully at her girlfriend's work and instead of empathising outwardly with her own outrage, i just stared at her blankly, like " I don't remotely understand. I know you don't either, but I can't engage. I've had enough". I doubt she understood that bc I didn't explain, but I clearly need to limit the amount of incomprehensible content I consume on the internet so I can engage with the problems of people in my life
As someone who is Autistic, i feel attacked repeatedly by Sunak. The constant attack on the sick and disabled. I see him as someone without empathy and not he lacks empathy or can't convay that, its just self importance and being so out of touch.
As strange as it may sound, Sunak may not have understood how important the D-Day Ceremony is. I know it seems unlikely, but I can't think of another explanation for why he chose not to attend it.
It's not just Sunak. His team gave the time and date as the only schedule option for the channel to record the interview. I would say it could be sabotage, but surely Sunak would've reviewed the schedule ahead of time. Incompetence? Carelessness? Not giving a damn? But surely he'd want the photo op with world leaders for his campaign. Absolutely baffling!
I find it impossible to believe that wealthy mature adults cannot understand how it is to live without enough money for food. They must have experienced this humiliating feeling when they don't have enough wealth to purchase an island like their neighbour has.
I dunno is disconnected the right word? I feel like its more like they just value different things. A different world view is better. I feel like these politicians don't want to understand. They want to exploit and having empathy would inhibit them. I can see the idea about perspectives. Its a nice analogy. But I think you are maybe being a bit charitable to them. I suspect guys like Sunak can't be taught because they don't want to learn they prefer to keep the money, and tell themselves stories about how inferior the rest of us are to make themselves believe they deserve to keep it.
It's easy to understand what Rishi Sunak was thinking: he's simply oblivious to British history and culture, and therefore couldn't see the significance of attending the ceremony.
I appreciate you shedding light on the double empathy problem for me. I've never heard of it, and it goes right in line with a lot of my experience and something that I've been struggling with for a long time. It's also hand in hand with what I've discovered as a result, which is the philosophical debate over free will and determinism. I would recommend videos by Alex O'Connor and Free Will. In my years of dealing with my struggles I've already in a sense come to grips with the double empty problem through the idea of free will, or lack thereof. The problem of empathy no longer seems like a double problem to me but a singular. In my understanding that there is no free will, It's easy for me to recognize that I don't know what's going on in another person's head, I can't judge a person for their actions or beliefs, because they weren't freely chosen. There is no way for me to ever know the reasons, whether they are due to a person physiology, or their environmental experiences, why a person does what they do, or are who they are. The problem for me is that most people don't understand this, and thus, don't grant me the same leeway. People will judge me is a person for acting in a way that is completely out of my control. And again, I understand I can't blame them, it's not their fault that they don't know this, nonetheless affects the way that I'm treated as a person. It affects my experience of the world and of humanity, and more often than not, cuts extremely deep.
Diagnosed months ago as an adult, but I've gone through dozens of reasons for this event and it meased with me to give in to the Hanlon's Razor explanation N-1 thought was that his constituency is very patriotic and high levels of service men and women (as there are barracks and culture around the armed forces), so he wanted to be voted out... But current explanation, he is a BAD politician and like with party gate didn't think it would come back to bite him
Not massive fan of pm to be honest he not very nice man my opinion especially if don’t care about people with learning disabilities autism homeless extra I am very upset by tories
I have a formal diagnosis, and while I understand your analogy I would suggest people like Sunak don't empathise because they're sociopaths or narcissists who cause despair and anger, rather than the confusion and frustration I experience most days.
Thanks for commenting, however in this analogy, the confusion of the public represents the autistic side of the story, not the counter-intuitive behaviour of Mr Sunak. I'm sorry if I didn't convey that well enough.
Great analogy but it's really funny that the example you use to illustrate working class alienation from their ruling class is the brown leader not caring enough to participate in the nationalist circlejerk event
honestly, Sunak could be neurodivergent in some way. standing in the rain without an umbrella and giving a speech, or when he sometimes seems robotic seem like evidence for him having an undiagnosed condition.
I think in many ways autistic people can read people's motives in a better way than many NTs (when we trust our own judgement). Because we can't read the body language, facial expressions etc we have to learn to identify patterns of behaviours and give it a label and 'predict' the motives from that behaviour. I think our issue is that we give people the benefit of the doubt and don't trust ourselves enough, we are generally good at pattern identification
This is a person who grew up in a bubble where his every whim was met in an instant. Poor behaviour choices would have been indulged and excused. He was interviewed years ago and that interview has shown up on here from time to time. He clearly demonstrated a lack of connection to 'real people' them. I believe he thought the interview was more important than attending a celebration because he has no link to the people who are and were involved, his were different priorities. I really believe he had no idea that what he did would be looked upon with disdain because we don't matter to him and his kind and he didn't try to cover it up.
question? is it common to be considered crazy cause i have many many thoughts that are very existential and very heavily relate to good vs evil the divine space time among other things and at least half 'or at least that's how its feels" of the reactions I've gotten are statements along that line
What is really autistic is the propensity to see every aspect of reality through the lens of one’s own ‘special interest’ , in this case autism itself 😂. Still interesting though.
I'm a storyteller - it's what I do. What better way can there be to elicit empathy form anyone than demonstrating shared viewpoints? Double empathy is a 2-way issue that one side rarely sees their part in because they always have the "upper hand". To understand what the other side feels like, some common experience is invaluable.
@@nosuchthingasshould4175 It IS a special interest of sorts, but not quite what you identified. Autism is just an aspect of it ,which happens to include myself 😊
4 minutes in, I need to say my immersion is a little broken because I and people close to me have noticed a pattern in Rishi's recent actions which suggests the conservatives, for whatever reason, are actively trying to present their most pathetic and unlikeable selves to ensure the next election is lost. The rain-drenched exit from parliament; the Sky TV comments, alongside the attention drawn to the expensive media system he was walking away from; these are further examples. I don't know why they are doing this, but it does seem like they're intentionally throwing the vote this time. Presenting a weak image to right-wingers who want a strong leader. Maybe to bolster Reform? God only knows. Maybe they want the rhetorical focus to be drawn away from their substantive failures and towards smaller gaffes so that they're forgotten by the next election cycle? It's difficult to say exactly why it's happening, but it's not a total mystery. They have a strategy and they are executing on it. There is no way Rishi genuinely thought his interview was more important than the D-Day memorial. He surely only wanted to feed the public one more minor gaffe to latch onto.
Thanks for commenting. Lots of people have theories, myself included, but the point of this video is that nobody KNOWS and to highlight the frustration felt amongst the general public at not knowing for certain why someone with power over them would do something so self-destructive. That it's deliberate is just one explanation amongst many, but none conclusive as yet.
What the hell is going on with this video 🤣 🤣 🤣!! The lighting keeps changing and you look in odd directions lol, the zoom edits feel wonky lol, my brain can't, it just can't lol.
I think our politicians are lost and need help. They really don't understand how to function as adults. Examples include Sunak, Starmer, Abbott, Braverman, Galloway and many more.
Wouldn't it be better to describe Rishi Sunak's actions as autistic? How everyone else is incredulous and he initially couldn't see anything wrong with his actions?
Sounds like any one baffled by somebody's decisions experience a certain type of feeling so strong it can override prefrontal cortex. NT and ND alike... Thats something in common. Commonalities seem to funcion like bricks How useful is it to search for who to stick a tag on instead of focusing on bridging the gap? Unless, of course, there's a donkey picture on the wall
The video is made from an autistic perspective. So no, it wouldn't make sense to describe his actions as being autistic unless you cannot relate to the autistic experience.
What a great analogy.
I was only diagnosed about 14 months ago. An analogy I came up with to describe my experience was that going through life undiagnosed is like playing a game where everybody knows the rules except you. And nobody will tell you the rules. And when someone tries to tell you the rules, they don't make any sense. And then when you try to join in anyway, everybody gets mad at you for doing it wrong.
Now I'm diagnosed it's still kinda like that but I don't have to try so hard to play the game. I can play my own way :)
Their rules are super clear, they write them down and everything. What you are referring to is the infinite number of excuses they use to break the rules. What you are perceiving as rules are not, never have been, and never will be "rules". They have regular internal emotional breakdowns. Rather than take responsibility for these breakdowns as self inflicted, they expect validation, in the form of sentiment. Never, ever forget, there is no such thing as "emotional intelligence". This is just one excuses in a thousands of years long string of excuses, used to try and validate, invalid decision making. We have what's called "history" as proof of their inability to create a proper system. Don't ever let them make you feel like your the broken one for actually having control over your mind and emotions. 🙂
Welcome to the family 😃
I get a lot of the “if you can’t even do that then you have no hope” but then trying to actually learn and improve is like fishing with a straw, no returns.
@@benphillips4081it's like in real life, when you play an MMORPG amd you need help with something in the game so you ask for clarification in the global chat, thinking other players will tell you (since they are playing the game and probably know), but they just make fun of you or ignore you, instead. 😂
@@benphillips4081you and I think quite alike. It really is about them not following their own rules. Then, they get mad at people like me for calling them out on it, then respond by holding us to higher standards that they hold themselves to just to try to get back at us, thinking that we're calling them out as a way to be petty, rather than simply holding them accountable.
There's a lot to be said about the idea that we are not as different as we believe ourselves to be. It is like we are living an exaggerated existence. Autistics have exaggerated emotions, exaggerated misunderstandings, exaggerated sensory responses, exaggerated processing issues. It is like we are living our lives turned up to 11 (if you're familiar with the Spinal Tap reference). I think this is why so many of the things that could be done to accommodate us would actually be beneficial to neurotypicals. The things that make us meltdown are the same things that neurotypicals find annoying. We would all be better off if we expected less multitasking, used less fluorescent lighting, and reduced noise pollution. We would all be better off if our culture was more direct. Just because you can tolerate something doesn't mean you should be expected to.
Preach!
Yeah I see in the news “supermarkets turning down bright lights and music for 3 hours a day to aid blah blah” like why do you need that so desperately in the first place? I don’t need crappy music when shopping.
Wow very interesting….before my brother snapped damn genius left behind 😢 he said we need to be direct and honest with people…especially with children; because the truth needs to be told
@@Journey_to_who_knows It probably increases profits. Why else ?
We are the canaries in the mine. Keep an eye on your ND if they're not doing well rough times are coming
Your channel is the best in explaining the subjective experience of autism that a lot of autistic people have difficult explaining and neurotypical people in understanding because most of the time they never feel them. It is not an easy thing to do, good job!
8:12 the connection you made about how autists are quicker to push back against something that feels wrong which large populations only do after they’ve been pushed too far is a totally new way of thinking for me. 😮. Thanks.
I really enjoyed the connection/parallels between public disillusionment with their material conditions and the politicians who ought to be serving us, making the public feel autistic. They're so out of touch
Neurotypicals: How can he talk down to us? we're not stupid?
Neurodivents: I wonder how that feels like ?!
I'm not sure I understand what this comment means but I would like to. Would you be able/ willing to explain it to me?
@@E.Hunter.EsquireI think it was sarcasm
When you want to answer all the sarcastic questions seriously 😳
Completely unrelated but whenever I see someone say neurotypical I like to suggest an edit. I'm pushing for the replacement of the word neurotypicals to neurodifficults. It's much more accurate. Go forth and spread the word.
@@E.Hunter.Esquire its a reference to how neurotypical people often infantilize autistic people and treat them like they are stupid.
The last person, with honest intentions, to enter the Houses of Parliament was Guy Fawkes.
I never thought I'd learn a lesson about autism from Rishi Sunak, so he's good for something 😄 Great video as always Quinn.
Rich people don't know what it is like to live with scarcity. But most of them do experience fear and loss.
Yeah, but when I experience loss, I have no backup - I end upliving on the street, fearing for my life. Shall I feel empathy or concern about these entitled pricks and their smug families? Nah.
@@glennmckenzie1096 If a family member dies they probably feel loss. That's all I am saying. I am not saying that you should be concerned about them.
@@KittyCraic: "forced to put down their entire family" That sounds a bit extreme. While there are certainly cases of murder suicides where several family members are killed, I've never heard of it in relation to someone losing a fortune.
@@glennmckenzie1096 whilst I can appreciate your perspective, I do have to point out that someone not being able to empathize with you doesn't make it okay for you to willingly forego your own empathic abilities out of spite or vindication. It's for the same reason why you can't fight fire with fire. By reciprocating failure to empathize, you're only feeding a cycle of mutual abuse. Be the change you want to see, lead by example, and hold to your values because you value them - not because you think others should value them; lastly, treat others the way you want to be treated.
@@E.Hunter.Esquire While I get what you're trying to say, as an elderly disabled person, with no support, that all just sounds like wishful thinking. "Be the change you want to see' - better get my embroidery hoop out and make something pretty for my wall eh? That'll make it all right. Geez, I'm lucky to have enough energy to get through the basics of the day. And in fact often it's just the bitter resentment that fuels me to keep living. Which is a question that is up for grabs at this very moment ...
Another similarity might be how it feels to be gaslit. In fact, I think autistic people are a major target of gaslighting, and can end up thinking it was just a neurotypical person being neurotypical. I don't believe this is the case though, I don't find gaslighting is or should be considered normal. Autism is a convenient way of shifting blame, because the autistic person can get singled out and be the example of why they're the problem, not the gaslighting, and how is the austistic person supposed to know for sure when they're gaslit? Even neurotypical people struggle with this one because it's designed for anyone and everyone.
Trauma from this kind of behaviour can also be hard to detangle from autism because trauma has a number of symptoms where anxiety and dissociation can make socialising more awkward and difficult, their nervous system is dysregulated, so on and so forth. It would probably be hard getting a diagnosis when there's more at play. If it's possible some people are getting diagnosed as autistic when they've suffered trauma, it would make it more likely to discredit the person diagnosed and in some cases getting justice is even harder. Austistic people have often got a strong sense of justice, yes? A gaslighter tends to be the opposite, and they know how to work a courtroom. A person with known mental health problems rarely get listened to in the court of law, it's only in recent years they've had a voice at all in the court of public opinion.
Thankyou for the milder and politically safe (imo) example of how autism feels.
Great analogy, thank you.
I feel being hungover works as an analogy for sensory overload, atleast my bf understood me immediately.
Whenever we host or attend something social with lots of family (birthdays and the likes), we spend a couple of days afterwards taking care of our ‘hangovers’. The bigger the event or pressure, the bigger the ‘hangover’.
Especially autistic burnout, too.
That was really well thought out. Here's to shortening the divide between neurotypicals and autists🍻
That's one hell of an analogy, and very well explained
I got my ASD diagnose a couple years ago as an adult. As I was listening to this video and you told the background (which I hadn't seen in the news before) I realized that I didn't wonder about Sunak's behaviour and that my brain had automatically started thinking of probable reasons for it. And then I realized that it's likely a mechanism I have subconsciously developed to make more sense of the world ("they must've had their reasons, so I can try and guess them"). Thank you for opening my eyes :)
Same here.
I recently read about ambiguous discrimination places a double burden on minorities, and I feel like the double empathy problem may well be a key component of it.
And yeah, almost everyone can have the experience of gaining weight and feeling queasy sometimes - but it doesn't follow that "everyone is a little bit pregnant" 😂
My family has a history of mental illness and I have a friend who's bound to a wheelchair who was treated cruelly and ostacised by her family and the government refuses to care, the tories will regret this whenever there is an election in the future past anyone who cares about Rishi Sunak or remembers him because this just solidified my hate for them even more, they will never care about the cruelty and abuse of my sisters and family
Just a heads up, and not attacking you, but saying someone is bound to a wheelchair is negative and implies they're trapped in a wheelchair, when in fact most wheelchair users see them as a tool that allows them to more successfully access the world.
Brilliant explanation of how interaction feels. If this vid reaches one who hasn’t understood!!! Hope it goes viral!
I'm ready for this episode. Super interesting.
I love a good analogy :)
As an Autistic, looking at the title I was baffled at first, but how you explained it. Really captured it well. Thank you.
I'm starting to think that a peculiar aspect of ASD might be the individual's connection to 'superego' (sorry to freud).. that where an autist can experience descrete structural links to societal expectation (with perhaps variable rigidity or elasticity), the neurotypical seems to experience society more like being immersed in a liquid (with perhaps variable viscosity) ... Or that's just my first pass at an understanding of double empathy
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Quinn.
Thanks for telling that story 😊
Fantastic perspective on the Autistic experience: really enjoyed this 🖖🏾
One of the most incredible videos I have ever come across and given me A LOT to think about. Thank you.
I retreat into silence/ my own space a lot, and struggle to explain myself to others. I'm only just unpacking my experience through the lens of neurodivergence. Anyway this was a helpful analogy, thanks :)
Very interesting. Yes the whole situation around that event is unexplicable. He even apologised to the journalist for keeping him waiting. The media was even able to use that against him. It was as though they'd cynically led him into a trap. Perhaps they did. It's all very disturbing.
Well said, Quinn, great insight and nuance.
Love your videos your message is spot on
Really interesting and well explained . Will try to remember some of this in my work.
Absolutely brilliant! Thanks Quinn 🪻
You're very well spoken.
Brilliant. This is the most brilliant parallel to the autistic experience thank you for your voice
I’m probably the same age as you but have never had a diagnosis for Autism- been accused of many quirky traits along with more standard stuff ranging from sweet to nutter & more ! Anyway- this is one of the best straightforward explanations of being around in Britain at least today. Brilliant .
Our young neighbour does though have Autism. He recently successfully passed his 1st driving test without a single fault which confused us ( because he’s always apparently been confused by rules & norms we take for granted or struggle with ) & spurred me to learn more . This helps - thanks Quinn . 😁👍🐢❤️🐀👽
Thanks for commenting & I wish you well with your search for new knowledge. Some autists don't choose to drive, some can't because of co-occurring difficulties like dyspraxia, but from a "rules" point of view, driving's a doddle for many of us compared to "real life" simply because there ARE clear rules & laws in place. Most autistic confusion & disconnection in daily life comes from behavioural & social rules & conventions actually being far more flexible in practice than in theory. If social "rules & norms" were applied with the same veracity & rigidity as driving laws then autistic life would get a lot easier.
FWIW I passed my driving test without fault on my first time too, at the age of 25 (still a LOOONG time ago😂). I just didn't have a need to drive before then😉
Well said! Thank you
Thank you! You are an excellent communicator and I found what you said most illuminating! I'm an INFJ with triplet nephews, two of whom have Asperger's... and I find large areas of overlap with them.
Great video, amazing analogy.
Thank you! excellently put!
Interesting to think that economic and social disparities within a society can be so great that they create the same disconnect as having slightly divergent neurological processes. The variation and complexity in human brains and human communication are lovely things aren't they?
Took me a long time to understand masking. Just beginning to understand the double empathy issue.
brilliant video (= thank you for it!
Quinn, I am an Aspie Girl and I hear you and agree 100% .Your piece is SO powerful as a tool to help those who are neurotypical to understand and see the world as we experience it.
That feeling of utter incomprehension, obsessing to find a logical set of factors that make Sunaks actions make logical sense to balance the great betrayal, disrespect, and hurt to others; his personal senseless self-sabotage , making such a fundamental error as a head of state , in middle of an Election??? Why would he do that?
The question is always in the absence of a serious personal tragic event, what is he seeking to gain from this? What is the motive?What is the reward that justifies the damage?
There is NOTHING!! My skin physical hurts just thinking about this and my anxiety level is at 11 ( spinal tap as prev mentioned)
This is how I feel about everything that does not make logical sense or is vague, gaslighting, mendacious or just plain lies.
It sends me into a mental and physical spiral of pain. Exactly as it has done for every neurotypical person who values what our veterans did for us and our country before I was even born. All those young boys rushing to their deaths to fight the Nazi’s. All those grieving Mothers and families. The bravery and sacrifice is incomprehensible to all who were uninvolved or born post WW2. How could ANYONE not be deeply affected by this?
Sunaks decision is to my mind, the epitome of elite, pampered, out of touch, selfish, unpatriotic, laser focused solipsism and staggering arrogance, bad character and judgement .
But to get to this conclusion was painful, as is every day with Autism navigating a post truth world.
Bring back facts, truth, honesty and integrity. For our sanity please 🙏🏼 xx
Hello Quinn. I’m Mark and I’m autistic. 👍😎
I don’t know why I’ve only just come across your channel. Thanks for communicating so clearly and calmly. Although I’m autistic myself, I do struggle with some autistic bloggs because they can get very long winded. Other UA-camrs talk too fast for me to process and I feel anxious and stressed by that. Your delivery was perfect and your points were so meaningful for me. They help to give ways to understand my experience, and maybe they’ll help me articulate it to others. Maybe. Depends how interested they really are. 😐
Thanks for the feedback. Always nice to hear you're getting it right😊😊
The same could be said about how he stood outside and called the election in the rain. No idea why any of his advisors thought that was a good idea.
Or indeed why he called a surprise election without giving his own party time to prepare. When almost everyone else thought it was the worst possible timing.
i'm dan i'm autistic too. this video was very helpful
well summarised - how is it that they don't get it, that what they offer is not what we need or want, and how to make them see it?
Especially when they're told in direct, literal language...
@@E.Hunter.Esquire it could be why they object often to sorting things out in writing
I love this video. You make so much sense and I look forward to watching more of your output. Thank You for Being.
Thanks for commenting & I'm glad you liked it. Plenty more on the channel & I'm still here making 'em😉
Wow! Well explained!👍 How incredibly frustrating.
thank you❤🙏🙃
Best video on any subject that I have seen for a while
Thank you for your articulations
I have OCPD, which I dont see as an affliction as most people with Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder don't, but as this makes me very organised and in an autistic way confuses me why no one else sees the world as I do it's also very lonely especially at work because I seem to stand out from everyone else and that brings in division like at school being a swat the crazy thing is im also ita which was a form of spelling brought in the 70s as spelling as it sounds like the Americans do but was only a failed test so people like me have to try even harder just to get it right. I don't have autism but I totally get why Politicians can make us feel this way as other mental health issues also border on this. Thank you for your video.
Thank you for your video, fanny and sad at the same time. HEH
Very amusing analogy!!
Great video mate. Cool editing.
A month after this video was posted and the UK is in riots and social disquiet as political leaders refuse to listen and acknowledge the concerns of the public. How canny Quinn.
A month after you released this, I saw a video on Warographics (one of Simon Whisler’s channels) about the new head of NATO, Mark Rutte of The Netherlands, & I commented that some of his traits appear to be autistic. I was COMPLETELY SHOCKED when someone replied to my comment, “It is no wonder many Dutch citizens call him a psychopath or a sociopath.” I have to wonder if Europeans’ attitudes toward autism were colored by the events that you're describing, considering it happened less than a month later.
Subbed. This is amazing lmao!
I know exactly why he did it.. He's a narcissist.. Who doesn't care.
That makes him an incompetent politician.
I'm so glad you went into it b/c as an american, I've been looking at this in my suggestions for days going "Who???? Who is this person and why is he casting autism on people???" So apparently it's someone in politics.
As a Kiwi I don't know much about Sunak, apart from when he was openly transphobic from how large platform, in a country which is one of the worst (and increasing so fast) for trans people in Europe + wanting to ship off immigrants. Can't say it's give me a high opinion of the guy.
Although, note to the video, though I do agree people are feeling more disconnected from politicians everywhere, I feel the fact that the Tories in the UK have been in power since 2010 have really disconnected them from the public even more, also not helping that is rather than ballencing out the bias, the major labour priminester since Thatcher was their most right wing. It probably gives them an immense amount of false power.
What the heck is wrong with deporting illegal immigrants?
There's decently worse even in Europe for trans people. Turkey, Poland, and Russia come to mind off the top of my head. Our biggest issue is healthcare and media.
Yes, listening to medical advice and ceasing to give disturbed children drugs that will destroy their bodies is definitely a terrible crime…
@@TheGreatAmphibian Bro def has not listened to medical advice, unless you mean the dodgy Cass Report or Blanchard's APG and related theories. All the major medical boards agree with gender affirming treatment which for kids before puberty is just name, pronoun and presentation change. Then in a theory though vary rare they can go on puberty blockers (which is not HRT) during teenagers years and don't give me any of your transphobic bs, puberty blockers are used to delay early puberty already. Then in late teenage years after multiple years of theory they can go on HRT which basically is medically inducing a less powerful opposite sex to their assigned gender at birth puberty. As for surgeries, no bottom surgery is supposed to happen before 18, if it happens it's illegal and it's not common + the vast majority of trans people have not had bottom surgery, 50% of Transfems don't want it while the vast majority of Transmascs don't want it. The only surgery performed, and almost entirely on older teenagers is top surgery, since for some transmascs having breasts can give them massive dysphoria and though not the same it is common for many women and girls to get breast size reducing surgery to help them with being able to move and live comfortably as large breasts can be very heavy and get in the way of everyday tasks. Also, what is your evidence that trans children are "disturbed", having gender dysphoria is not dysmorphia nor is a delusion. Probs you won't read this so I will finish with one final statement, UP YOURS WOKE MORALISTS WE'LL SEE WHO CANCELS ALSO, also you're a bigot and horrible person. Good day
A teenager I couldn't make head or tail of my peers. What they did, their attitudes etc seemed so incomprehensible and left me very confused. My brother would say I sounded like an old lady giving off about young people nowadays when I was still a teenager myself.
Now everyone seems to have become a bit more sensible though. Adult peers seem to be a lot less incomprehensible, they can still be confusing, but nowhere near as confusing as teenagers.
5:07 - 5:26
Very astute, Quinn. This is an apt analogy that highlights generally how someone might feel when engaging in exchanges across neurotypes. The many comments on this video also serve to validate and corroborate what you've said, here.
It ought also to be considered that neurotypicals very likely feel the same when interacting with someone that is autistic. There is actually some recent research that covers this. I can't recall the names on the exact study that I'm currently thinking of, but you can find it and similar things by searching Google with a query such as, "Study Autistic communication across types," or something along those lines. If you want me to find it for you, tag me and let me know.
Thanks for commenting. What you're describing is actually still just Double Empathy (examined a little deeper). The "Double" refers to the shared nature of the problem. An individual may fail to empathise with another, but the Double Empathy problem only arises when BOTH (or ALL) parties fail to empathise with each other.
Thanks for your reply, Quinn.
Double empathy is a nuanced topic and I appreciate you bringing that up, Quinn. It's certainly important to recognize that any interaction is between two or more participants, and that each participant plays their own part and is responsible for their own behaviors, actions, and reactions. Additionally, what we expect vs what happens does indeed depend on theory of mind phenomena which, admittedly, is a premise for empathy tasks (we have to place ourselves in someone else's shoes in order to predict what they might say or do, or even mean).
In such a context, where a TD peer might have difficulty understanding direct communication, they would benefit from perspective taking. The A peer would also benefit from perspective taking when they fail to receive the TD peer's speech employment. This, however, is off-topic from the focus of the study.
The study was primarily focused on identifying and demonstrating actual non-idiosyncratic speech and social patterns in A participants, firstly, and secondly in determining whether the supposed A employment of language was coherent from A to A participants VS coherence of TD to TD or TD to A. In the study, they relayed information from a story to their peers, in controlled contexts, where perspective taking was not truly a factor, rather the goal was to accurately relay information to their selected partner.
The study successfully identified language use that was unique to A participants and non-idiosyncratic. Furthermore, it demonstrated that the language use led to minimal information loss when the information was transferred from A to A, that slightly more in formation was lost from TD to TD, and that significant information was lost from TD to A and A to TD. This implies that A language use is actually more efficient than TD language use, especially when within type, and it shows that A and TD literally use and interpret language in fundamentally different ways. It also implies that there is more variation in language cognition among TD peers than in A peers, suggesting that A language cognition seems to actually be a minor improvement, reducing idiosyncratic language use, and increasing accuracy of language use, but that's tangential.
The point is that it's more than simply empathy, as this study shows, as it also is about fundamentally different cognitive processes at work, as well as cognitive processes being used in fundamentally different ways, even when applied to the same applications. So, empathy plays a part, in the topic you're talking about in the video. However, in the study I mentioned, it wasn't about empathy, rather it was about language cognition.
To be concise, I'm talking about scientifically demonstrable differences in cognition. Empathy is a patch for those differences.
It was a watershed moment, he blew it
I just believe he's so arrogant, he actually thinks he's above everyone else....
I don't think he's a nice man.
_“I’m not saying Rishi Sunak is autistic.”_ Okay, but I’m pretty sure he is.
I'd like him more if that were true, but I think he's a sociopath (like Boris J.) whose ambition far exceeded his abilities, and he's having to find that out the hard way. He lacks people skills, guile and grit and should have stuck to his previous parasitic career making money out of money...
came for politics, stayed for neurodiversity
I also think gaslighting is a good example.
He makes us feel like victims of narcissistic abuse and I don’t throw around that word as a buzzword.
Sometimes I'm so disillusioned it makes me lose touch with reality. Once my sister was relaying a story to me about a man acting bizarrely disrespectfully at her girlfriend's work and instead of empathising outwardly with her own outrage, i just stared at her blankly, like " I don't remotely understand. I know you don't either, but I can't engage. I've had enough". I doubt she understood that bc I didn't explain, but I clearly need to limit the amount of incomprehensible content I consume on the internet so I can engage with the problems of people in my life
A brilliant analogy per usual. Thanks Quinn! 💜
And thanks to Mr Milton 😉
This is a great analogy to help allistics begin to understand every moment of my life 😂❤
As someone who is Autistic, i feel attacked repeatedly by Sunak. The constant attack on the sick and disabled. I see him as someone without empathy and not he lacks empathy or can't convay that, its just self importance and being so out of touch.
Iv not watched your channel but if one puts on a pair of 3D specks you really stand out of the screen xx
Interesting, thanks.
As strange as it may sound, Sunak may not have understood how important the D-Day Ceremony is. I know it seems unlikely, but I can't think of another explanation for why he chose not to attend it.
It's not just Sunak. His team gave the time and date as the only schedule option for the channel to record the interview. I would say it could be sabotage, but surely Sunak would've reviewed the schedule ahead of time. Incompetence? Carelessness? Not giving a damn? But surely he'd want the photo op with world leaders for his campaign. Absolutely baffling!
Latest in a series of awful prime ministers.
So true
I find it impossible to believe that wealthy mature adults
cannot understand how it is to live without enough money for food.
They must have experienced this humiliating feeling
when they don't have enough wealth to purchase an island like their neighbour has.
He's a super rich Politician and Narcissist, just as almost all Politicians are.
I dunno is disconnected the right word? I feel like its more like they just value different things. A different world view is better.
I feel like these politicians don't want to understand. They want to exploit and having empathy would inhibit them.
I can see the idea about perspectives. Its a nice analogy. But I think you are maybe being a bit charitable to them. I suspect guys like Sunak can't be taught because they don't want to learn they prefer to keep the money, and tell themselves stories about how inferior the rest of us are to make themselves believe they deserve to keep it.
It's easy to understand what Rishi Sunak was thinking: he's simply oblivious to British history and culture, and therefore couldn't see the significance of attending the ceremony.
We know what you're trying to say. Just say it.
He IS British. He wouldn't have become Prime Minister if British culture and values weren't important to him.
Rich Snack actually had an appointment with his Wall street broker.
What's more weird: Rishi Sunak not only left D-Day commemorations early, he never wanted to go in the first place.
I appreciate you shedding light on the double empathy problem for me. I've never heard of it, and it goes right in line with a lot of my experience and something that I've been struggling with for a long time. It's also hand in hand with what I've discovered as a result, which is the philosophical debate over free will and determinism. I would recommend videos by Alex O'Connor and Free Will.
In my years of dealing with my struggles I've already in a sense come to grips with the double empty problem through the idea of free will, or lack thereof. The problem of empathy no longer seems like a double problem to me but a singular.
In my understanding that there is no free will, It's easy for me to recognize that I don't know what's going on in another person's head, I can't judge a person for their actions or beliefs, because they weren't freely chosen. There is no way for me to ever know the reasons, whether they are due to a person physiology, or their environmental experiences, why a person does what they do, or are who they are.
The problem for me is that most people don't understand this, and thus, don't grant me the same leeway. People will judge me is a person for acting in a way that is completely out of my control. And again, I understand I can't blame them, it's not their fault that they don't know this, nonetheless affects the way that I'm treated as a person. It affects my experience of the world and of humanity, and more often than not, cuts extremely deep.
Diagnosed months ago as an adult, but I've gone through dozens of reasons for this event and it meased with me to give in to the Hanlon's Razor explanation
N-1 thought was that his constituency is very patriotic and high levels of service men and women (as there are barracks and culture around the armed forces), so he wanted to be voted out...
But current explanation, he is a BAD politician and like with party gate didn't think it would come back to bite him
Not massive fan of pm to be honest he not very nice man my opinion especially if don’t care about people with learning disabilities autism homeless extra I am very upset by tories
I have a formal diagnosis, and while I understand your analogy I would suggest people like Sunak don't empathise because they're sociopaths or narcissists who cause despair and anger, rather than the confusion and frustration I experience most days.
Thanks for commenting, however in this analogy, the confusion of the public represents the autistic side of the story, not the counter-intuitive behaviour of Mr Sunak. I'm sorry if I didn't convey that well enough.
Great analogy but it's really funny that the example you use to illustrate working class alienation from their ruling class is the brown leader not caring enough to participate in the nationalist circlejerk event
Circlejerk ? You sound like a complete jerk
honestly, Sunak could be neurodivergent in some way. standing in the rain without an umbrella and giving a speech, or when he sometimes seems robotic seem like evidence for him having an undiagnosed condition.
I think in many ways autistic people can read people's motives in a better way than many NTs (when we trust our own judgement). Because we can't read the body language, facial expressions etc we have to learn to identify patterns of behaviours and give it a label and 'predict' the motives from that behaviour. I think our issue is that we give people the benefit of the doubt and don't trust ourselves enough, we are generally good at pattern identification
This is a person who grew up in a bubble where his every whim was met in an instant. Poor behaviour choices would have been indulged and excused. He was interviewed years ago and that interview has shown up on here from time to time. He clearly demonstrated a lack of connection to 'real people' them.
I believe he thought the interview was more important than attending a celebration because he has no link to the people who are and were involved, his were different priorities. I really believe he had no idea that what he did would be looked upon with disdain because we don't matter to him and his kind and he didn't try to cover it up.
Great!
question?
is it common to be considered crazy cause i have many many thoughts that are very existential and very heavily relate to good vs evil the divine space time among other things and at least half 'or at least that's how its feels" of the reactions I've gotten are statements along that line
What is really autistic is the propensity to see every aspect of reality through the lens of one’s own ‘special interest’ , in this case autism itself 😂. Still interesting though.
I'm a storyteller - it's what I do. What better way can there be to elicit empathy form anyone than demonstrating shared viewpoints? Double empathy is a 2-way issue that one side rarely sees their part in because they always have the "upper hand". To understand what the other side feels like, some common experience is invaluable.
@@Autistamatic sorry it sounded like I was having a go. I didn’t mean to. It just reminded me of the extent to which I do something similar.
@@nosuchthingasshould4175 It IS a special interest of sorts, but not quite what you identified. Autism is just an aspect of it ,which happens to include myself 😊
i'm sorry but using the reactions of rishi sunak's poor decisions to explain the experience of autistic people is not only smart but funny XD
Very curious...
Yo yo Davy A... ❤
What does it say about me that infond this gaff small.and unimportant?
4 minutes in, I need to say my immersion is a little broken because I and people close to me have noticed a pattern in Rishi's recent actions which suggests the conservatives, for whatever reason, are actively trying to present their most pathetic and unlikeable selves to ensure the next election is lost. The rain-drenched exit from parliament; the Sky TV comments, alongside the attention drawn to the expensive media system he was walking away from; these are further examples. I don't know why they are doing this, but it does seem like they're intentionally throwing the vote this time. Presenting a weak image to right-wingers who want a strong leader. Maybe to bolster Reform? God only knows. Maybe they want the rhetorical focus to be drawn away from their substantive failures and towards smaller gaffes so that they're forgotten by the next election cycle?
It's difficult to say exactly why it's happening, but it's not a total mystery. They have a strategy and they are executing on it. There is no way Rishi genuinely thought his interview was more important than the D-Day memorial. He surely only wanted to feed the public one more minor gaffe to latch onto.
Thanks for commenting. Lots of people have theories, myself included, but the point of this video is that nobody KNOWS and to highlight the frustration felt amongst the general public at not knowing for certain why someone with power over them would do something so self-destructive. That it's deliberate is just one explanation amongst many, but none conclusive as yet.
Ew a leftist.
What the hell is going on with this video 🤣 🤣 🤣!! The lighting keeps changing and you look in odd directions lol, the zoom edits feel wonky lol, my brain can't, it just can't lol.
I think you’ll be ok
It's called the North of Ireland.
I think our politicians are lost and need help. They really don't understand how to function as adults. Examples include Sunak, Starmer, Abbott, Braverman, Galloway and many more.
Wouldn't it be better to describe Rishi Sunak's actions as autistic? How everyone else is incredulous and he initially couldn't see anything wrong with his actions?
Sounds like any one baffled by somebody's decisions experience a certain type of feeling so strong it can override prefrontal cortex. NT and ND alike... Thats something in common. Commonalities seem to funcion like bricks
How useful is it to search for who to stick a tag on instead of focusing on bridging the gap?
Unless, of course, there's a donkey picture on the wall
I' m not sure any autistic would be this tone deaf
The video is made from an autistic perspective. So no, it wouldn't make sense to describe his actions as being autistic unless you cannot relate to the autistic experience.