Went to France in College for a WWII course, we went to the Beaches and followed them back to Paris. We stopped by a museum (this was in 2013?) and it was a Living History Museum, they had a ton of De-milled weapons and equipment to play around with, but they had working Half-Tracks, Jeeps, Deuce and a Half trucks, and others, and so they asked us if anyone could drive a Manual. I said yes I can, cause I learned how to drive on one, and they were like hey you want to drive a jeep? I was like you sure? and they responded similarly, "this was designed for dumb-ass 18-year olds like yourselves, you're not gonna damage it" lmao
Haha. So true. I was 19 when we deployed and they stuck my ass behind the wheel of humvees and mraps despite me only having like 6 months of driving experience.
the HMMWVs are very "interesting" vehicles. I was a 88M (Truck driver) in the army and we had all different kinds of vehicles. I'll take a 6x6 over a hummer any day
Not gonna lie, I was always rolling my eyes over "Soldier returns home everybody cries" clips but times have changed and so has my appreciation for today's military in general and esp people volunteering for what can only be described as "uncomfortable and inconvenient... in the best of times".
The only thing I remember about Humvees in the Marines is that everytime you took one up to 45 mph it felt like it was trying to launch itself into space, and that we never had the parts to fix them when they came back from low earth orbit.
Look here Jerry, not all of us were 18. Some of us were 19 the first time we drove one. But even when we were damn near 30, we drove it like we were 12. Best damn off-road vehicle I've ever driven, and handled huge potholes and Iraqi terrain like a boss. Thank you taxpayers!
Yeah, even crazier is that he was airborne. That’s taking into consideration that he doesn’t appear to have back and joint pains. I’m all jacked up from my time on the manifest. He was probably taller before his service though. Hahaha
@@aliasfakename2267 assuming it used all of its 735kw during the entire 4 seconds at 70% efficiency (worst case) it "only" took ~1.2kwh or 0.58% of battery charge
@@derpyduck5088Guard deployed more than active component. Majority of Guard and Reserves are salty experienced active duty guys that left behind the bs mind games and wasting time for 6 figure jobs and still slay bodies lol
@@derpyduck5088 Eh, it kind of depends. A "weekend warrior" who actually deployed numerous times and did their job overseas (and then some) compared to an active duty guy who spent his entire time in garrison doing dumb things like painting rocks and buffing the floors calls into question who actually was more "lame" here... Ymmv.
I love how wholesome the conclusion of most of these debatable videos is, everyone on the crew, Justin and Nolan especially, seems very polite and wholesome Just wanted to point this out.
Actually the Humvee was designed to be a transport vehicle with very light combat capabilities. The Gulf wars changed this as the military had to quickly adapt these trucks into combat vehicles, adding armor, cupolas, machine gun mounts, etc. My favorite thing about humvees is how good they make civilian cars feel after driving one of them.
One of the cooler points from the HMMWV design brief that often gets left out of videos like this, the reason they are so wide is so they can drive in the tracks left by tanks ahead of them, since those tracks would be confirmed clear of landmines. If traction control was on for the tug of war it probably ruined the contest.
@@vaska916 You'd think they'd put it somewhere close to the WTF setting. If you use that you're probably interested in turing off traction control at least some times. At first I thought it would be default off when enabling WTF, but then I realized that the setting is most used to demonstrate incredible acceleration, not to do donuts. So keeping traction control on makes sense. But somewhere close in the menus there has to be a donut option...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I too suspect that WTF mode was limiting the performance in the tug of war. It wanted zero-slip for the launch, probably refused to spin the wheels because of it. If it has a tow mode that would be a better candidate.
@@livewire2534 I think you're right. The fact that it wouldn't turn the tires at all is obvious evidence. Pretty sure the EV would demolish the H1 given a proper surface and it not refusing to even spin its own tires. I find it odd though that they start the clip with the rope slack and then cut to it under full tension. Makes me think the EV demolished the H1 but they didn't want to show that because most people who watch this channel are huge ICE fans.
7:40 I know electric motors can provide 100% of torque at 1rpm...but I've never seen anything that size accelerate up a hill like that, that quick before. That's crazy impressive
EVs are awesome now, and becoming better and better quickly. People who hate EVs just because it is an EV have some type of cognitive dissonance, and are stuck with what they were like back when Smart Phones were a thing. The batteries are getting lighter, holding more charge, charging faster, last longer, and cheaper. Honestly the only thing that will be holding them back is charging stations. Yet if you own a home? Investing in some renewable, plus an electric car is just one of the best things you can do. Unless you're one of those people who apparently need to drive hundreds of miles without stopping all the time.
I love the true joy and enthusiasm, just all around energy on the faces of all the donut lads. Just true car guy doing real car things and enjoying the hell out of it. James' passion was what got me hooked in the beginning. Then all the new faces and the all around love for what they were all doing kept me here. Thank you for all the wonderful content. I really appreciate all you gents do. Side note, we took a hummer EV out elk hunting in the San Carlos reservation last season. Wonderful truck, blew my mind. I didn't expect all that. We did also take a diesel generator just in case we had to recharge, but luckily we didn't have to use.
There’s still going to be maintenance, there’s still cooling liquid for the batteries, you still have suspension, you’ll just be working on an electric motor or some technological component rather than changing a mechanical part.
I said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are my new version of Top Gear. I love the chemistry between everybody and they seem to genuinely enjoy each other and giving each other a hard time. Thank you for the content and please keep it coming!
That h1 held up like a BEAST in the tug of war to the EV’s 11.5K of torque. That being said, with the transmission in low, first gear, plus transfer case, plus diffs and portal axles works out to about a 20.75:1 ratio in first gear low, which turns that 520 lb-ft of the engine to a whopping 10,782 lb-ft of torque to the wheel of that H1, which is nothing to scoff at
@@failranch9542 It would really end up a battle of grip. The amount of torque you can put down is limited by the surface, the wheels, and the weight of the vehicle. And here being heavy really helps! So in this case it's likely the heavier vehicle would win. Well airing down the wheels would also help, and I'm pretty sure the H1 retained that function from it's military predecessor. I have no idea about the electric version though.
@@blahorgaslisk7763about EV it already has a traction control to not brake the ev motors. Thats why most ev cars launch almost instantaneously with barely tyre smoke and reach high speeds in turns, adding the acceleration
@@matthewmondragon2074 Yes and if you want to play you will want the option to turn all of that off. You want to smoke the tires and do doughnuts! And it could possibly help when they tried the tug of war. But you are perfectly correct that you want the traction control turned on during normal use. In fact early electrical cars were known to "eat" tires as they had so much torque they tended to always break loose when starting. So traction control is more or less needed or they become very expensive to drive, especially modern versions with several hundred HP at the wheels.
Incredible to see how much this channel has grown. Love the video, keep the good content coming! I also find it funny how the H1 went from - Super Slow - Old - Gas Guzzler to now being - Super fast - new - No gas needed
I had no idea Justin was in the National Guard! Thank you for your service to this country man! I really respect and appreciate the sacrifices you’ve made to protect our country!
Military hummers didn't have door locks. Or at least none I ever drove. The only thing they had was a cable secured to the floor on one end with a loop on the free end, and "locking" the hummer meant looping the cable through the steering wheel and using an ordinary padlock to secure it.
11,000 pounds does sound crazy that’s because it’s too good to be true. I hate to break it to you but these guys don’t know Jack squat about cars it’s 1100 pounds not 11,000 pounds.
one of the really popular upgrades to the H1 is a modern 6.6 duramax and the 10 speed that brings the power and fuel economy more inline with modern standards. 445hp, 910lbft, and 16ish mpg. Suddenly the H1 is a competent road vehicle again
My lb7 gets way better fuel milage than my l5p especially when towing or in cold weather because of the dpf system and an lb7 can make around 500hp/1000tq with just a tune
When I was in the Army we did absolutely insane stuff in Humvees. Some of the most intense off-road stuff ever with that standard power plant. Even saw one get hit by a Russian BMP. The track fell off of the BMP but the hummer drove away on the run flat. The Russian TC was “disciplining” the driver as we cleared the intersection😂
Man, that H1 Alpha brings back a core memory of mine. My aunt and uncle were pretty well off, and had an H1 Alpha. I remember visiting them shortly after turning 18, and we took a trip to a massive offroad park in the North East. They let me drive it, so much fun...until I went up a steep hill and let off the gas against the advice of my aunt before we crested the hill and we slid back until we hit a tree 🙃
Justin is amazing. Thank you for hiring this man. Litterally every hostnis fantastic and has their own entertaining and interesting personality. GO JUSTIN!
Tug-of-wars are always fun to see, but its important to remember that power is rarely the determining factor in them. Tesla did a demo where they showed the Cybertruck tugging away an F150 while the Ford just spun its tires, for instance. With no tire grip, of _course_ the Ford wouldn't move the Cybertruck. Vehicle weight and tire grip matter more than power. Which is why the H1 was spinning its tires. Still fun to see, though!
As an 11H anti-tanker in the Army, I’m taking the old school Humvee every time. Never failed me in 4 combat operations and I took out a lot of tanks, anti-aircraft vehicles and personnel carriers in my Humvee over the years. I know it can handle having a Tow System, .50 cal or MARK-19 mounted in it for years at a time. Couldn’t trust something all electric and then have it not power up in a critical moment.
You guys SO should have found an OG H1 hummer… one that still had gulf war Saudi sand in the battery box, with a 6.2 diesel (no turbo) and a 3 speed TH400 trans… THAT would have been cool! Oh yeah, the large flat place the gunner stands on, that is the trans tunnel and part of the backbone of the body. Great episode… I didn’t realize Justin had service time under his belt… from one vet to another Justin… thank you.
I did a few WTF pulls last year during a Hummer EV benchmarking session. When I got out of the car, my feet felt like jelly, like if I had just gotten off of an extreme roller coaster. That thing is sick.
Thank you for your service Justin! Great video guys! That H1 somehow doesn't even look too outdated when it comes to the interior, don't know if that says a lot about current cars, or I'm just used to my 20 year old shitbox cars lol
Practicality rarely loses its luster and few things inspire confidence like three knob HVAC and rocker switches in panels that can be unscrewed and serviced often without leaving the driver seat.
@@theupscriber65 Most H1 owners do. The engine and transmission are out of a Chevy Silverado 2500. The differentials are based on the old AMC 20. The transfer case is related to one used by Jeep. The gauges and switches are commercial truck parts. The only specialized parts are the axles and portals but there is no shortage of Humvee parts. They're not much more complicated than a Silverado and they're only bought by enthusiasts at this point.
My earliest memories are in an h1 my father was a mechanic at one of the few hummer dealerships in the late 90s and early 2000s he used to regularly come home in h1s, we even met a few celebrities such as coolio because my dad fixed them. Someday I’d love to have an h1
In iraq we were a stryker unit but there were certain roads we couldnt go down unless we were in a humvee so we got one and put mine rollers on it and it was up to a team leader (which was me) and one of his guys to drive it as fast as we could down backroads and got hit with ieds twice, i have a great appreciation for the humvee for saving us both times
I love the cool stuff some "truck" EVs bring to the table - but I need to see them operate in northern Wyoming in winter, below zero,, far from a plug in before we replace the family pickup.
I used to work at the Humvee/H1 assembly plant. The test track has a hill on it that all you can see is sky as you drive up it. One of the tests is to drive halfway up the hill, come to a full stop, leave the truck in gear, and then let off the brake. The drivetrain of the trucks will hold them on this hill without any throttle or brake applied. Also, the Humvee is definitely not designed for full-size adults. There were certain variants I couldn't even get in. I can't imagine trying to get in one while wearing all your gear. Humvees are also remarkably short from front to rear. My car was three feet longer than the Humvees from bumper to bumper. Wheelbase was super long, though. This combo was obviously chosen to give great approach angles.
This is really one of the only UA-cam channels I watch and when Jeremy got out in the white grey camo hat and those glasses I legit spit coffee out laughing so hard. Love the whole donut team you guys helped me so much on my 2nd gen Tacoma build 🤙🏽
been watching for years now i have NEVER realized how BIG that mofo is untill he stood next to the humvees at 13:36 xD i mean dmn chill dude urs legs are taller than me xD
Those H1s are so dope. When i was younger. Around maybe 2000-2001 . My cousin and me were able to drive around my uncle’s bosses H1 . The guy is the owner of general mills basically. It was so crazy being in. Trying to hand things to the driver. Was a stretch and a half. I wanna say he paid well over a 100 k which back then was crazy money. It had all the goodies front and back chrome winches. Definitely caught every eye.
I have, according to a lot of people, questionable taste in design, but to me the H1 was the only "real" Hummer. The H2 and H3 were just glorified trucks. They lacked the brutal look and feel of the H1 which was what Hummer was all about. If I wanted a truck or general offroad vehicle there were a lot of options that weren't Hummer. The big mistake there was to think that their potential customers wanted a conventional truck. What made the customers pay for a Hummer was the military heritage. Without that they were not anywhere near as interesting. Certainly not interesting enough for people to pay a huge premium for the name.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 ya the difference between the H1 and H2 was basically One was a Hummer. And the other was a joke lol. That got horrible gas mileage. But made you look hella cool back in the day lol.
@@WashproBrad Rofl... Remember Renegade? Well me neither, but I do remember that one of the main characters drove a either a Humvee or a prototype H1. The H1 was released in 92 and Renegade started airing in 91, so... Promotion by Hummer? Actually that car and for some weird reason the name Lorentzo Lamas is all I remember of the show. And I wanted one! A Humvee that is. Never understood what people saw in Lorentzo Lamas, though I guess he might have wet a few panties among the girls back then. It was the 90's. The age of boy bands, the rise of the female supermodels as well as Marcus Schenkberg and Fabio.
I have a pic of my military hummer at my work desk (27 years later). Loved the H1, and still dream of owning one. It's not about speed, but where you want to go. Which was anywhere.
I want to see these new Hummer EVs deployed in combat... "Excuse me Mr. Bad Guy, I need to just plug this into my portable diesel generator for the next 12 hours to make my getaway, hold please😅"
I worked for a Canadian oilfield company 20 years ago that outfitted us with H1s for the job. It was a blunder. Too wide for the cutlines, no chance of tight turning in tight spaces, uncomfortable as F... We were all happy to get on the quad or snowmobile after the ride to the job site. Prior to this we ran around in modified Suburbans and they far out-preformed the H1s we were "blessed" with
what definith a hummer? if not for its absurdness, massivity, and thirsty nature, a hummer it would not be. all jokes aside, thats why the hummer ev is a "real hummer. the hummer stopped being a military vehicles since the h2, the whole purpose of it was based on its name, its size, and its absurdness and i think the hummer ev is more of a hummer than any hummer made before it, besides the original military hummer, and the maybe original street legal hummer. it fits every qualification for a hummer. its bigger than any hummer before it, its more powerful than any hummer before it, and its more insane and wild than any hummer made before it. The only thing its missing is drinking dino juice instead of electron soup not being based on a millitaty vehicle. besides that, this thing has every right to be called a hummer.
I absolutely love that the electric Humvee exists in all its absurd, inefficient glory. The one I’d choose every single time, though, is the H1. That’s the one that moves me and I love it.
Would have been fun to see these cars on a real offroad course and not just a hill climb that can be done in a Subaru outback. Rally and 0-60 were obviously going to be won by the EV.
I don’t hate electric vehicles, or anything, but I feel like this series of tests has been catered to the ev. If I were you guys, I would do a side-by-side range test, repairability test, storage capacity, and which one gets the most attention which I think would just be a bonus. It could be fun.
How much HP, and even torque to a degree, is meaningless in a tug of war. The H1 would have either 3.08 or 2.83 diff gears and the portal hubs double that with another 2:1 reduction at the wheels.
I am a petrolhead through and through. I live and breathe petrol. But there is no denying the rise of the electric performance cars. That Hummer EV is a beast of a machine. Well done!
It's a show pony, that's it. You can't improve them unless you want to buy a whole new engine. They're quick, but they're not fast. 0-60 is a beautiful number, but they get beat out by gassers time and time again in the 1/4 mile. EV battery life is what? 9 years? To a non-motorhead it's the future, to someone who actually knows cars its just fad that'll die out within a few years
@@derpyduck5088I don’t think its a fad, its too popular and too much money has been pumped into it, i think instead, Ev’s will improve as they currently are. The capabilities of the battery will grow as time passes, wether its a smartphone company that releases the technology or whatever. To a non motorhead, the 0-60 time is more important than the top speed. you barely ever go top speed on the road and especially not for long distances, whereas fast acceleration has more uses (overtaking merging etc). I’m no EV fan but in 10 years time i feel as though it would make sense to own a petrol car over and ev one for commuting and such.
You guys also need to talk about how heavy the new H1 is. It's prone destroy more trails because of a sheer weight of the vehicle combined with the torque delivers.
It's obscenely heavy, honestly should require a specialized license to drive on the street. We need to start implementing weight based speed limits like we do for comercial trucks, these things are bound to kill people.
@@TowerCrisis In Germany, you`d actually need a special freight truck license for it since its over 7700 lb lol. Nobody except actual truck drivers really has these
So something that is special about the humvees are the hubs. Each hub has a plentary gear set in it that is to help with the torque needed for the wild loads they expect the thing to pull.
Military has JLTV’s now, and as a mechanic, I had just started getting to know the HMMWV, and now I gotta learn a whole new vehicle with a lot more electronics
The Hummer EV is insane, got a chance to drive it briefly through work and my god it goes. Gotta love being one of the few people in Australia to drive it ;D
Nothing more scary than something that rides high, weighs two cars, has 1000hp, and an infotainment screen to take your eyes off the road. I'm glad it's out of many people's price range
I'm sure the EV is used solely by people who will never take it off road. Sadly, it will become a pavement princess. I'm all for electric vehicles but when off roading I'm much more in favor of the H1.
I would've liked to see the H1 alpha driven as hard as the ev. Cause that og H1 can move. I think Justin's training kicked in and he kept it a little more controlled
The H1 Alpha is 4-5 times faster than the OG HMMWV(6.2 NA version with the turbo 400 trans) as those in most cases would never reach 60mph and those that could would take almost a full 60 seconds if not more to reach it. Spent 11 years working on them and would take a OG HMMWV over the EV version any day.
Damn can't even watch a Donut Media video about big trucks without being reminded that money is literally worth half of what it was when I was a child and shows no sign of slowing. But hey keep it up guys im not buying a new car any time soon this is as close as im going to get.
Bruh come to argentina lol. In february there was a predicted inflation rate of 75% by december 2023. We are barely getting past the middle of the year and the optimistic reports predict 105% by dec 2023. We are having three times US's ANNUAL inflation rates MONTHLY
oh man, no water crossing test? Great video but that would be fun to see. I have a marine corp Humvee that has the water fording kit so it can be submerged in 6' of water and still run without issue. Out of my vehicles, this one def gets the attention. Slow but a blast to drive for sure!
"This thing was designed to be driven by 18 year old military guys, you think I'm gonna mess it up?"
I can confirm that this is outstanding logic.
That... actually makes perfect sense 😅😂
Went to France in College for a WWII course, we went to the Beaches and followed them back to Paris. We stopped by a museum (this was in 2013?) and it was a Living History Museum, they had a ton of De-milled weapons and equipment to play around with, but they had working Half-Tracks, Jeeps, Deuce and a Half trucks, and others, and so they asked us if anyone could drive a Manual. I said yes I can, cause I learned how to drive on one, and they were like hey you want to drive a jeep? I was like you sure? and they responded similarly, "this was designed for dumb-ass 18-year olds like yourselves, you're not gonna damage it" lmao
That hit home 🤣
@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist2Hail Satan!! Hail Gein!! Hail Me, and Hail yourself!
Haha. So true. I was 19 when we deployed and they stuck my ass behind the wheel of humvees and mraps despite me only having like 6 months of driving experience.
Justin must’ve driven humvees in the military. He took that rally drive without a change in facial expression. What a G.
the HMMWVs are very "interesting" vehicles. I was a 88M (Truck driver) in the army and we had all different kinds of vehicles. I'll take a 6x6 over a hummer any day
@@brandon.pratt050 100%
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Justin was a paratrooper. They showed him in a maroon beret somewhere in the beginning of this video 3:30
Not gonna lie, I was always rolling my eyes over "Soldier returns home everybody cries" clips but times have changed and so has my appreciation for today's military in general and esp people volunteering for what can only be described as "uncomfortable and inconvenient... in the best of times".
The only thing I remember about Humvees in the Marines is that everytime you took one up to 45 mph it felt like it was trying to launch itself into space, and that we never had the parts to fix them when they came back from low earth orbit.
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Useless American tech, always a shame
@@tullo5564 moon landing
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the internet you are using to read this
@@tullo5564we literally invented the internet youre using to criticize us
@@cafhead get his ASS brother
I love that Justin is such a dad reminding Jeremiah "family show family show!!" Also, they should call this Donut show J&J or something like that
They’re really good together. Definitely a good combo
J&J sounds dope
@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist2Keep your delusions to yourself, please. This is a family channel.
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Look here Jerry, not all of us were 18. Some of us were 19 the first time we drove one. But even when we were damn near 30, we drove it like we were 12. Best damn off-road vehicle I've ever driven, and handled huge potholes and Iraqi terrain like a boss. Thank you taxpayers!
Can confirm. first vehicle I ever did a powerslide in was a Humvee on ammo supply point detail. Good times...
@@spacekadebt1641must suck at driving if you need one to power slide.... Lamo even front wheel drive can power slide easy
No sir. Thank you!!!
@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing actually, never tried before then.
I don’t drive the humvees but I’m 39 and you can see me on a flight line driving those tow tractors around like I’m a 10 year old in a go kart😂
Never knew Justin was in the military, thanks for your service brother you’ve been an awesome addition to the donut team
Yeah, even crazier is that he was airborne. That’s taking into consideration that he doesn’t appear to have back and joint pains. I’m all jacked up from my time on the manifest. He was probably taller before his service though. Hahaha
Meh who cares, it’s just another job
@@MaticTheProtoyou do it then
What kind of men wouldn’t?
Cringe
The fact that such a heavy truck can reach 0-60 in 4 seconds is insane
Battery probably went down 5% on that pull alone
@@aliasfakename2267 nah
@@aliasfakename2267 assuming it used all of its 735kw during the entire 4 seconds at 70% efficiency (worst case) it "only" took ~1.2kwh or 0.58% of battery charge
Now how long does it take to go from 60 to 0?
It’s dangerously fast. A 10k lbs truck accelerating that fast isn’t safe for public road use at all.
Had no idea Justin served, my respect to you brother 🇺🇸
Yeah, he was National Guard for 6 years
@@irregulargorilla8217 Oh, he was just a weekend warrior? Kinda lame I was expecting like actual Army or Air Force even
@@derpyduck5088 Eh, I still respect him for it. NG's are still a step above being a normal civilian in my book.
@@derpyduck5088Guard deployed more than active component. Majority of Guard and Reserves are salty experienced active duty guys that left behind the bs mind games and wasting time for 6 figure jobs and still slay bodies lol
@@derpyduck5088 Eh, it kind of depends. A "weekend warrior" who actually deployed numerous times and did their job overseas (and then some) compared to an active duty guy who spent his entire time in garrison doing dumb things like painting rocks and buffing the floors calls into question who actually was more "lame" here...
Ymmv.
Justin’s a great host saw him on Matt’s off-road recovery and he’s becoming my favorite host do more videos with him
James and Matt look related
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I love how wholesome the conclusion of most of these debatable videos is, everyone on the crew, Justin and Nolan especially, seems very polite and wholesome
Just wanted to point this out.
The way it should be tbh lol
Except that one dude who compared mustangs to camaros lol I'm glad that dude isn't with the team anymore. His opinions were so biased
Would love to see Justin do some more military vehicle related content
like a willys jeep
Volvo L3314, Bv 206/208
Or a tank
@@antonsamuelsson1317 A donut Bv 206 video would be amazing. Those a super fun
@@jeromewyrobek9053 a tank wouldn't be fun really just really mainstream
Actually the Humvee was designed to be a transport vehicle with very light combat capabilities. The Gulf wars changed this as the military had to quickly adapt these trucks into combat vehicles, adding armor, cupolas, machine gun mounts, etc. My favorite thing about humvees is how good they make civilian cars feel after driving one of them.
I need more of this type of content. The giggles at around 7:40 is what i am here for, grown men enjoying their jobs and sharing it with us 😊
Most wholesome comment lol
One of the cooler points from the HMMWV design brief that often gets left out of videos like this, the reason they are so wide is so they can drive in the tracks left by tanks ahead of them, since those tracks would be confirmed clear of landmines.
If traction control was on for the tug of war it probably ruined the contest.
Probably can't turn off traction control on the iHummer.. or hidden in a lot of settings or something
@@vaska916 You'd think they'd put it somewhere close to the WTF setting. If you use that you're probably interested in turing off traction control at least some times. At first I thought it would be default off when enabling WTF, but then I realized that the setting is most used to demonstrate incredible acceleration, not to do donuts. So keeping traction control on makes sense. But somewhere close in the menus there has to be a donut option...
That's amazing! Thank you for sharing!
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I too suspect that WTF mode was limiting the performance in the tug of war. It wanted zero-slip for the launch, probably refused to spin the wheels because of it. If it has a tow mode that would be a better candidate.
@@livewire2534 I think you're right. The fact that it wouldn't turn the tires at all is obvious evidence. Pretty sure the EV would demolish the H1 given a proper surface and it not refusing to even spin its own tires. I find it odd though that they start the clip with the rope slack and then cut to it under full tension. Makes me think the EV demolished the H1 but they didn't want to show that because most people who watch this channel are huge ICE fans.
7:40
I know electric motors can provide 100% of torque at 1rpm...but I've never seen anything that size accelerate up a hill like that, that quick before. That's crazy impressive
Yeah electric cars are absolutely badass
@@MrGoodeats "badass" yet it looks gay
@@alekvassinskiy1286 how does it look gay at all? Lol
EVs are awesome now, and becoming better and better quickly.
People who hate EVs just because it is an EV have some type of cognitive dissonance, and are stuck with what they were like back when Smart Phones were a thing.
The batteries are getting lighter, holding more charge, charging faster, last longer, and cheaper.
Honestly the only thing that will be holding them back is charging stations. Yet if you own a home? Investing in some renewable, plus an electric car is just one of the best things you can do.
Unless you're one of those people who apparently need to drive hundreds of miles without stopping all the time.
@@alekvassinskiy1286 how can a truck look gay? Or even be gay? Explain.
I love the true joy and enthusiasm, just all around energy on the faces of all the donut lads. Just true car guy doing real car things and enjoying the hell out of it. James' passion was what got me hooked in the beginning. Then all the new faces and the all around love for what they were all doing kept me here. Thank you for all the wonderful content. I really appreciate all you gents do. Side note, we took a hummer EV out elk hunting in the San Carlos reservation last season. Wonderful truck, blew my mind. I didn't expect all that. We did also take a diesel generator just in case we had to recharge, but luckily we didn't have to use.
There’s still going to be maintenance, there’s still cooling liquid for the batteries, you still have suspension, you’ll just be working on an electric motor or some technological component rather than changing a mechanical part.
I said it before and I'll say it again, these guys are my new version of Top Gear. I love the chemistry between everybody and they seem to genuinely enjoy each other and giving each other a hard time. Thank you for the content and please keep it coming!
Can't believe that didn't cross my mind, and I 100% agree.
This and CarTrek have satisfied my top gear needs
As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I instantly thought "This is the new Top Gear" LOL
The American version? Otherwise just watch The Grand tour.
Nah throttle house is it
I love Justin's nervous laugh when he's with Jeremiah. You can tell he's not comfortable with what he's doing but he's just going with it.
lol saw that
He always has that nervous laugh, he always seems a little nervous
I needed a moment to recover after he called the electric charge in the vehicle "Zeus Juice". God I love Jerry
I had no idea he was 6' 4".
I'm glad they kept that in 😂
That h1 held up like a BEAST in the tug of war to the EV’s 11.5K of torque.
That being said, with the transmission in low, first gear, plus transfer case, plus diffs and portal axles works out to about a 20.75:1 ratio in first gear low, which turns that 520 lb-ft of the engine to a whopping 10,782 lb-ft of torque to the wheel of that H1, which is nothing to scoff at
Yeah people forget that. Gearbox will make all the torque you want.
@@failranch9542 It would really end up a battle of grip. The amount of torque you can put down is limited by the surface, the wheels, and the weight of the vehicle. And here being heavy really helps! So in this case it's likely the heavier vehicle would win. Well airing down the wheels would also help, and I'm pretty sure the H1 retained that function from it's military predecessor. I have no idea about the electric version though.
@@blahorgaslisk7763about EV it already has a traction control to not brake the ev motors.
Thats why most ev cars launch almost instantaneously with barely tyre smoke and reach high speeds in turns, adding the acceleration
@@matthewmondragon2074 Yes and if you want to play you will want the option to turn all of that off. You want to smoke the tires and do doughnuts! And it could possibly help when they tried the tug of war.
But you are perfectly correct that you want the traction control turned on during normal use.
In fact early electrical cars were known to "eat" tires as they had so much torque they tended to always break loose when starting. So traction control is more or less needed or they become very expensive to drive, especially modern versions with several hundred HP at the wheels.
@@blahorgaslisk7763the ev is heavier than the h1. It's 1100tq numbers are straight bs or flawed
Incredible to see how much this channel has grown. Love the video, keep the good content coming! I also find it funny how the H1 went from
- Super Slow
- Old
- Gas Guzzler to now being
- Super fast
- new
- No gas needed
I had no idea Justin was in the National Guard! Thank you for your service to this country man! I really respect and appreciate the sacrifices you’ve made to protect our country!
My favorite thing about the original military humvee is that the key is just for the door locks. There's just an on/off switch to turn it on.
Your trucks had keys? Haha
Military hummers didn't have door locks. Or at least none I ever drove. The only thing they had was a cable secured to the floor on one end with a loop on the free end, and "locking" the hummer meant looping the cable through the steering wheel and using an ordinary padlock to secure it.
11,000 pounds 0-60 in 4 secs is crazy, like your not stopping for anything
It’s basically a wheeled cruise missile. At full speed crashing that thing can take down a 7 story building
@@seansean1728for real man. And they’ll be in the hand of rich trophy wives. One mistake and they’ll be driving through buildings across America
It’s not 11,000 pounds you idiots it’s 1100 pounds he screwed up he doesn’t know squat about trucks.
It's supposed to be 3 seconds for the truck and 3.5 for the SUV version. I guess GM overpromised but still VERY impressive!
11,000 pounds does sound crazy that’s because it’s too good to be true. I hate to break it to you but these guys don’t know Jack squat about cars it’s 1100 pounds not 11,000 pounds.
one of the really popular upgrades to the H1 is a modern 6.6 duramax and the 10 speed that brings the power and fuel economy more inline with modern standards. 445hp, 910lbft, and 16ish mpg. Suddenly the H1 is a competent road vehicle again
Albeit one that handles very badly and has questionable braking…
@unconventionalideas5683 name me a heavy duty truck that has good breaking or handling, I'm waiting
@@james2042
I get what you’re saying but the electric hummer in this video actually seems to do pretty good at both of those things lol
@SquiDragon the hummer ev has okay handling because of 4 wheel steer and has awful braking per actual brake test that are very reminiscent of the H1.
My lb7 gets way better fuel milage than my l5p especially when towing or in cold weather because of the dpf system and an lb7 can make around 500hp/1000tq with just a tune
The giggling during the EV speed run was contagious
Also Jer's face and looking around like the cops were right behind him
Was just about to comment this exact thing HAHA
When I was in the Army we did absolutely insane stuff in Humvees. Some of the most intense off-road stuff ever with that standard power plant. Even saw one get hit by a Russian BMP. The track fell off of the BMP but the hummer drove away on the run flat. The Russian TC was “disciplining” the driver as we cleared the intersection😂
Man, that H1 Alpha brings back a core memory of mine. My aunt and uncle were pretty well off, and had an H1 Alpha. I remember visiting them shortly after turning 18, and we took a trip to a massive offroad park in the North East. They let me drive it, so much fun...until I went up a steep hill and let off the gas against the advice of my aunt before we crested the hill and we slid back until we hit a tree 🙃
Uncle Jerry always says the most uncomfortable things, but I think that's what we love about him 😂
Also I feel like he had that outfit already 💀
he definitely had that fit already
What fit?
@@sigurthorbjornsson1210 NO FIT, JUST AN OUTFIT,LOL.
Ya, all i see is a lower head
@@Eduardo_Espinoza NICE, LMAO.
Justin is amazing. Thank you for hiring this man.
Litterally every hostnis fantastic and has their own entertaining and interesting personality.
GO JUSTIN!
Tug-of-wars are always fun to see, but its important to remember that power is rarely the determining factor in them. Tesla did a demo where they showed the Cybertruck tugging away an F150 while the Ford just spun its tires, for instance. With no tire grip, of _course_ the Ford wouldn't move the Cybertruck. Vehicle weight and tire grip matter more than power. Which is why the H1 was spinning its tires. Still fun to see, though!
Didn't help that the ford that they used in the video was 4×2 and already fitted in loose dirt
Justin should be in more videos. Cool dude. The giggling during the EV speed run was contagious.
As an 11H anti-tanker in the Army, I’m taking the old school Humvee every time. Never failed me in 4 combat operations and I took out a lot of tanks, anti-aircraft vehicles and personnel carriers in my Humvee over the years. I know it can handle having a Tow System, .50 cal or MARK-19 mounted in it for years at a time. Couldn’t trust something all electric and then have it not power up in a critical moment.
You should have deflated the tires on the H1 so you got more grip. Use all the potential in that old truck :))
Exactly 👍
@@abuali7576 THEY'RE ROOKIES SO ?
Could have done the Same in the EV it didnt move because there wasnt any Traktion Not because of Lack of power
True, it has that on the dash, no need to get out
the EV is MUCH heavier and has a more explosive torque from the get go, i would bet my life on the EV, that's how much positive i was it would win
I love how giddy Justin and Jeremiah get in this video. Two of my favorite people on UA-cam.
You guys SO should have found an OG H1 hummer… one that still had gulf war Saudi sand in the battery box, with a 6.2 diesel (no turbo) and a 3 speed TH400 trans… THAT would have been cool!
Oh yeah, the large flat place the gunner stands on, that is the trans tunnel and part of the backbone of the body.
Great episode… I didn’t realize Justin had service time under his belt… from one vet to another Justin… thank you.
I did a few WTF pulls last year during a Hummer EV benchmarking session. When I got out of the car, my feet felt like jelly, like if I had just gotten off of an extreme roller coaster. That thing is sick.
Thank you for your service Justin!
Great video guys! That H1 somehow doesn't even look too outdated when it comes to the interior, don't know if that says a lot about current cars, or I'm just used to my 20 year old shitbox cars lol
Practicality rarely loses its luster and few things inspire confidence like three knob HVAC and rocker switches in panels that can be unscrewed and serviced often without leaving the driver seat.
As a dude who dailies a '94 K1500, theres not much out of newer cars that I really want. More power would be nice, but that's about it.
15:15 the part you came to see
Perform the "find parts for it and work on it in your driveway in 10 years" test.
Who is working on their $80,000 H1 in their driveway?
@@theupscriber65most people that own an H1... They are easy and parts are available.
@@theupscriber65 I'd say most people that own them. Very simplistic machinery.
@@theupscriber65ChrisFix wants your location
@@theupscriber65 Most H1 owners do. The engine and transmission are out of a Chevy Silverado 2500. The differentials are based on the old AMC 20. The transfer case is related to one used by Jeep. The gauges and switches are commercial truck parts. The only specialized parts are the axles and portals but there is no shortage of Humvee parts. They're not much more complicated than a Silverado and they're only bought by enthusiasts at this point.
My earliest memories are in an h1 my father was a mechanic at one of the few hummer dealerships in the late 90s and early 2000s he used to regularly come home in h1s, we even met a few celebrities such as coolio because my dad fixed them. Someday I’d love to have an h1
In iraq we were a stryker unit but there were certain roads we couldnt go down unless we were in a humvee so we got one and put mine rollers on it and it was up to a team leader (which was me) and one of his guys to drive it as fast as we could down backroads and got hit with ieds twice, i have a great appreciation for the humvee for saving us both times
I love the cool stuff some "truck" EVs bring to the table - but I need to see them operate in northern Wyoming in winter, below zero,, far from a plug in before we replace the family pickup.
You forgot 2 tests. The overlanding for a week with only the fuel you can carry and which one does best with a 50 cal. mounted to the roof.
I used to work at the Humvee/H1 assembly plant. The test track has a hill on it that all you can see is sky as you drive up it. One of the tests is to drive halfway up the hill, come to a full stop, leave the truck in gear, and then let off the brake. The drivetrain of the trucks will hold them on this hill without any throttle or brake applied.
Also, the Humvee is definitely not designed for full-size adults. There were certain variants I couldn't even get in. I can't imagine trying to get in one while wearing all your gear.
Humvees are also remarkably short from front to rear. My car was three feet longer than the Humvees from bumper to bumper. Wheelbase was super long, though. This combo was obviously chosen to give great approach angles.
They're both crazy impressive vehicles for their time.
legit
yeee
Ya know, this is the epitome of a Donut video. Please do more of these 😢, you guys are doing great.
This is really one of the only UA-cam channels I watch and when Jeremy got out in the white grey camo hat and those glasses I legit spit coffee out laughing so hard. Love the whole donut team you guys helped me so much on my 2nd gen Tacoma build 🤙🏽
I would like to see them doing test again in 10-20 years with the same cars😂😊
The electric one won't be working then lmao
I'd like to see a 500 mile race. My guess is ev will take a few days while diesel does it in less than 12 hrs.
It’s funny how Jeremiah gets scared easy when Justin drives but when Jeremiah drives Justin just smiles and laughs
been watching for years now i have NEVER realized how BIG that mofo is untill he stood next to the humvees at 13:36 xD i mean dmn chill dude urs legs are taller than me xD
Those H1s are so dope. When i was younger. Around maybe 2000-2001 . My cousin and me were able to drive around my uncle’s bosses H1 . The guy is the owner of general mills basically. It was so crazy being in. Trying to hand things to the driver. Was a stretch and a half. I wanna say he paid well over a 100 k which back then was crazy money. It had all the goodies front and back chrome winches. Definitely caught every eye.
I have, according to a lot of people, questionable taste in design, but to me the H1 was the only "real" Hummer. The H2 and H3 were just glorified trucks. They lacked the brutal look and feel of the H1 which was what Hummer was all about. If I wanted a truck or general offroad vehicle there were a lot of options that weren't Hummer. The big mistake there was to think that their potential customers wanted a conventional truck. What made the customers pay for a Hummer was the military heritage. Without that they were not anywhere near as interesting. Certainly not interesting enough for people to pay a huge premium for the name.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 ya the difference between the H1 and H2 was basically One was a Hummer. And the other was a joke lol. That got horrible gas mileage. But made you look hella cool back in the day lol.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 amd dont even get me started with the H3s 😂.
@@WashproBrad Rofl... Remember Renegade? Well me neither, but I do remember that one of the main characters drove a either a Humvee or a prototype H1. The H1 was released in 92 and Renegade started airing in 91, so... Promotion by Hummer?
Actually that car and for some weird reason the name Lorentzo Lamas is all I remember of the show. And I wanted one! A Humvee that is. Never understood what people saw in Lorentzo Lamas, though I guess he might have wet a few panties among the girls back then. It was the 90's. The age of boy bands, the rise of the female supermodels as well as Marcus Schenkberg and Fabio.
Man seeing them use the matt's offroad recovery ropes are just nice
I have a pic of my military hummer at my work desk (27 years later). Loved the H1, and still dream of owning one. It's not about speed, but where you want to go. Which was anywhere.
Big thanks to Justin for his service ❤❤. You are a hero 🙌
DONUT TV TIME. Love this channel so much please keep it up. I look forward so much to everything you guys put out.
I did not realize Justin was in the military…Thank you for your service!
I want to see these new Hummer EVs deployed in combat... "Excuse me Mr. Bad Guy, I need to just plug this into my portable diesel generator for the next 12 hours to make my getaway, hold please😅"
The new hummer is sick but the H1 will always be one of my favorite vehicles ever
They never get old
Would love to see Justin do some more military vehicle related content. They're both crazy impressive vehicles for their time..
Love these style of Donut videos! Keep it up!
I love how potty mouth Jer is 😂 he's probably the most relatable.
I worked for a Canadian oilfield company 20 years ago that outfitted us with H1s for the job. It was a blunder. Too wide for the cutlines, no chance of tight turning in tight spaces, uncomfortable as F... We were all happy to get on the quad or snowmobile after the ride to the job site. Prior to this we ran around in modified Suburbans and they far out-preformed the H1s we were "blessed" with
It also depends on the roads, but in general the hummer h1 is difficult to beat
Ah, the electric Hummer.
Its existence inspires many a joke about why it exists among my friends and me.
Just a big offroad toy.
what definith a hummer? if not for its absurdness, massivity, and thirsty nature, a hummer it would not be.
all jokes aside, thats why the hummer ev is a "real hummer. the hummer stopped being a military vehicles since the h2, the whole purpose of it was based on its name, its size, and its absurdness and i think the hummer ev is more of a hummer than any hummer made before it, besides the original military hummer, and the maybe original street legal hummer. it fits every qualification for a hummer. its bigger than any hummer before it, its more powerful than any hummer before it, and its more insane and wild than any hummer made before it.
The only thing its missing is drinking dino juice instead of electron soup not being based on a millitaty vehicle. besides that, this thing has every right to be called a hummer.
it exists to shit on the h1 lol
@@tylerbarrett5so is the H1 lol
@alecbraun6272 I mean it was a dig on hummers in general. They're kinda absurd unless you have money to burn.
Justin’s a Veteran!??!?? MADDDD RESPECT 🫡
6:05 Whenever Jerry says "friggin" you know he's about to say the funniest shit you've ever heard
Justin should be in more videos. Cool dude
I absolutely love that the electric Humvee exists in all its absurd, inefficient glory. The one I’d choose every single time, though, is the H1. That’s the one that moves me and I love it.
That’s not a humvee that’s a gmc electric truck
Weighing 10k pounds and instant torque from 1000 hp, it's a great vehicle to drive through protestors
Would have been fun to see these cars on a real offroad course and not just a hill climb that can be done in a Subaru outback. Rally and 0-60 were obviously going to be won by the EV.
Cn hmm
Add a EMP test and the Impersonator EV won't even move!😅
Although a funny statement, it is not really true. The original hummer would die too. Its engine has computers.
I don’t hate electric vehicles, or anything, but I feel like this series of tests has been catered to the ev. If I were you guys, I would do a side-by-side range test, repairability test, storage capacity, and which one gets the most attention which I think would just be a bonus. It could be fun.
I think the 4 wheel steering was making the hummer EV feel less wide. It was cool to see it in action.
1,000 views in 2 minutes…. So dope to see you guys with such great success….
9.8k in 11 🤯
Important to note that weight (grip) is almost always the determining factor for a tug of war, second is power
How much HP, and even torque to a degree, is meaningless in a tug of war. The H1 would have either 3.08 or 2.83 diff gears and the portal hubs double that with another 2:1 reduction at the wheels.
@@tjkj-om9oi Its still the amount of power its able to put out at the wheels, and how much of that the wheels can put down on the ground
2:48 is the confetti blurred out for bitrate? Cs if so the editor REALLY needs a raise 👏
"It was built to be a rugged and unstoppable force"
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I am a petrolhead through and through. I live and breathe petrol. But there is no denying the rise of the electric performance cars. That Hummer EV is a beast of a machine. Well done!
It's a show pony, that's it. You can't improve them unless you want to buy a whole new engine. They're quick, but they're not fast. 0-60 is a beautiful number, but they get beat out by gassers time and time again in the 1/4 mile. EV battery life is what? 9 years? To a non-motorhead it's the future, to someone who actually knows cars its just fad that'll die out within a few years
@@derpyduck5088I don’t think its a fad, its too popular and too much money has been pumped into it, i think instead, Ev’s will improve as they currently are. The capabilities of the battery will grow as time passes, wether its a smartphone company that releases the technology or whatever. To a non motorhead, the 0-60 time is more important than the top speed. you barely ever go top speed on the road and especially not for long distances, whereas fast acceleration has more uses (overtaking merging etc). I’m no EV fan but in 10 years time i feel as though it would make sense to own a petrol car over and ev one for commuting and such.
@@derpyduck5088what gasser is beating out electrics? Model S runs a quarter in 11 flat .
This hummer does it in 11.7 seconds
Kudos to the videographer for beautifully capturing the HUMMER's offroad adventures. It's pure excitement!
You guys also need to talk about how heavy the new H1 is. It's prone destroy more trails because of a sheer weight of the vehicle combined with the torque delivers.
It's obscenely heavy, honestly should require a specialized license to drive on the street. We need to start implementing weight based speed limits like we do for comercial trucks, these things are bound to kill people.
@@TowerCrisis In Germany, you`d actually need a special freight truck license for it since its over 7700 lb lol. Nobody except actual truck drivers really has these
So something that is special about the humvees are the hubs. Each hub has a plentary gear set in it that is to help with the torque needed for the wild loads they expect the thing to pull.
Military has JLTV’s now, and as a mechanic, I had just started getting to know the HMMWV, and now I gotta learn a whole new vehicle with a lot more electronics
This should be a series! I want bronco comparisons or even the new z cars
The Hummer EV is insane, got a chance to drive it briefly through work and my god it goes.
Gotta love being one of the few people in Australia to drive it ;D
Nothing more scary than something that rides high, weighs two cars, has 1000hp, and an infotainment screen to take your eyes off the road. I'm glad it's out of many people's price range
Man this voice over of Jerry makes me miss him! Hopefully will see him in the next video
i wanna see donut uncensored
Love to see them using Matt’s yellow recovery rope just to show how many uses it has😂😂
Yo let’s take some time to just say thank you to Justin for his service
I'm sure the EV is used solely by people who will never take it off road. Sadly, it will become a pavement princess. I'm all for electric vehicles but when off roading I'm much more in favor of the H1.
You guys need to make a shirt now that says, "Offroad Appliance" with the outline of the Hummer EV
I would've liked to see the H1 alpha driven as hard as the ev. Cause that og H1 can move. I think Justin's training kicked in and he kept it a little more controlled
The H1 Alpha is 4-5 times faster than the OG HMMWV(6.2 NA version with the turbo 400 trans) as those in most cases would never reach 60mph and those that could would take almost a full 60 seconds if not more to reach it. Spent 11 years working on them and would take a OG HMMWV over the EV version any day.
@@tjkj-om9oi Exactly, I'm a 100% utility over status
Damn can't even watch a Donut Media video about big trucks without being reminded that money is literally worth half of what it was when I was a child and shows no sign of slowing. But hey keep it up guys im not buying a new car any time soon this is as close as im going to get.
Bruh come to argentina lol. In february there was a predicted inflation rate of 75% by december 2023. We are barely getting past the middle of the year and the optimistic reports predict 105% by dec 2023. We are having three times US's ANNUAL inflation rates MONTHLY
Have you heard of Turkiye?
My guy Jeremiah is so tall he makes hummer look small, couldn't figure it out when he was sitting!😂
oh man, no water crossing test? Great video but that would be fun to see. I have a marine corp Humvee that has the water fording kit so it can be submerged in 6' of water and still run without issue. Out of my vehicles, this one def gets the attention. Slow but a blast to drive for sure!
I still can't get over the fact that y'all had a collab with forza 5. Keep it up guys!
Yeah and it sucked
This was one of the best donut videos I have seen in a long time!!
Donut, can y’all do an ICE to EV conversation, that would be so entertaining and give your guys a bunch of new expertise
Plsssssss that would be awesome
you know that 90% of the people who will own that truck will nevr go off roading
Yeah more like 99%
Engine torque has nothing to do with tug-of-war, just wheel torque and traction.
I love the H1. I know the new one is better in every way but I'd still love a H1..... 😅