Plus she doesn’t need to point out the obviously “just a leeeeetle hop/step on the landing” like every other freaking commentator out there. I hate that! Gets my goat!
Yeah, I agree. She's doesn't seem overzealous when critiquing, and actually seems like she wants gynmasts to do good. I feel like a lot of them want them to mess up.
Shannon is always a good, neutral commentator. However, the guy with her, doesn't know his beam from his bars and messed those up on a regular basis. Shannon just let it go though, and didn't draw attention to it, as many would. I like that she trusts the sport to judge fairly.
There were some excellent beam workers at this Olympics. I love the variety of skills on all the apparatuses. It feels like all of these routines are much more unique than the routines we see these days. Everyone does the same skills now.
@Nunovurbznzsodontask the problem with a d score unlimited is the risk on athletes and, since there are no compulsories, the dreadful techniques, awful execution you see today. Just compare the qualities of vaults, and simple skills like full spins on beam and back handsprings with those in the 90s.
@@soledadferrer1325 and there is the risk of athletes performing really desastrously and still winning the all around just because of the difficulty start value is way higher tha others.
Carly Patterson won fair and square, but I might argue that Anna Pavlova deserved the silver medal more than Khorkina. Khorkina was extremely sloppy on all apparatus (except bars), barely stuck any landings and rushed to salute or danced out of her tumblings /dismounts to cover up the wobbles , and her leaps and spins were nowhere near perfect, had wobbles after wobbles on beam … but they talked about the remedy for 2000..
Poor Ana Pavlova. She was poised to win the Bronze here. That error at the vault sealed her doom. It was really a stupid mistake. Or was she already thinking or excited to know she was winning an Olympic medal. Really a sad mistake.
I’ve felt this same way as I was on the end of the diving board diving for the State Diving qualification against 3 others. I knew I had it in the bag and felt kind of cocky as I had a smile on my face before even doing my last dive. I still made it to State, but State was a whole different ball game. So much talent!! I was just glad to have made it and not place last.
The single biggest stopping block for her honestly was bars- here and In Beijing. Unfortunately you have to be strong in all four events to medal in the AA at the Olympics. I think if she had been, even with the vault she would have gotten bronze.
I can't understand for the life of me how khorkina was such a favourite. For all the talk of russian grace on the gymternet, I think she has the grace of a stick of bamboo.
Lolllll. She’s so tall!!!! I just watched her in the 1995 world championships (where she actually competed against Shanon Miller) and she was awesome. It amazes me that Svetlana was still competing here as her first international medal came in 1994 and here she is competing at the Olympics 10 years later for the third time! She’s truly an icon but after these games she retired. I’m just amazed she could still do gymnastics with her growth into womanhood as we all know the sport generally favors smaller and younger athletes
@@murasakino101 yeah it’s true I don’t mean to devalue her accomplishments, it’s silly to ask why someone is favorited when they’ve won as much as she did ;)
I mean she wasn't exactly the most graceful or elegant, looked a bit like a grass hopper at times, BUT she was very good and was rather consistent throughout competitions. Also it's very much a matter of preference when it comes to artistry. Nowadays, they are calling Simone elegant when she actually looks like a cement block at times.
Extremely unfair Anna being 4th. Nan's floor routine was not a 9.6 even couting that as a triple... Khorkina, i love her, but 9.4+ on the beam? REALLY?? Carly for me was the one who got fair scores, Zhan and Khorkina overscored, A LOT overscored. In my opinion the places were pretty much stablished if the girls did what was supposed
If Anna wanted a medal she needed stronger bars. You can’t be THAT weak on an event and medal at the Olympics in the AA- especially with that level of competition.
I remember thinking to myself, if the Romanians had entered Catalina Ponor instead of Daniela Sofronie in the Women’s all around final, would Carly Patterson have won the women’s all around title? Or would Ponor been Olympic All Around Champion?
@@Alinecms i mean she was kinda told to do that, it was her coach’s decision that they didn’t need another all around gymnast so she stopped doing bars and focused on beam and fx, her DTY in team finals would have been solid enough for her to stay in competition for an AA medal apparently she also said that bars was her favorite apparatus until she got better on beam but that she was never taught the proper technique to gain enough momentum for a harder dismount than a double pike i feel like her not being an AA gymnast has more to do w her coach‘s decisions than her abilities
It’s almost like they forgot Carly was one of the favorites, not showing her bars or beam lol. At least they went back and showed her beam, which was fierce. So many great performances in this AA final, beyond the medalists but the competition between Carly and Khorkina was an understated and epic duel. 🙌❤️
That wouldn't suffice! They need to get rid of all 3. Elfi, dreadful drama queen Tim Dagget and the useless dope Al Trautwig. Shannon Miller is so much better than dismally boring Nastia Liukin as well. Shannon Miller, Bart Connor and Nadia would be an awesome trio!
We think Elfi did an excellent job supporting the Americans even though she was Canadian. Unlike Ato Boldon, if we remember correctly, who always supported the other sprinters especially from the islands. If you are commenting for an American audience, then you should support them. Whatever country you are a commentator for, you need to at least make positive comments for that country's athletes. We did feel bad when Elfi was replaced for Nastia, but it seems to make sense. Thanks Elfi for your work on the past Olympics.
1:11:55 1:12:55 isso aqui é uma tripla pirueta? E ela ainda faz uma dupla pirueta e meia na segunda diagonal, como isso foi validado? Essas notas ñ faziam o menor sentido, como isso era julgado, a roubalheira comia solta, tenho pra mim que os juízes escolhiam quem eles gostavam mais kkkkk, as notas todas próximas uma das outras, umas arriscavam mais outras bem menos e as notas praticamente iguais! O tanto de injustiça que acontecia nesse código de pontuação! Sofronie e a Pavlova mereciam muito mais o pódio que a khorkina e a chinesa, nome contava muito, khorkina então, notas infladíssimas, com execuções bem meia bocas, mas era a queridinha
Una de las mas grandes injusticias en la gimnasia artística Anna Pavlova fue boicoteada y robada pues ella merecía estar dentro de los 3 primeros lugares ya que su actuación fue impecable y en la final de viga le dieron muy baja calificación en la final de saltó fue buena su actuación y como muchos dicen que las barras asimétricas no eran su fuerte lo hizo muy elegante y limpio, ella siempre será la gimnasta más elegante y artística ❤
I am going to be controversial: I have never understood Kupets success on UB. Truly, what deal did she/Kelly/USAG make where the judges and commentators would all just just ignore the .3 deduction on that endo full? And the "Khorkina" was awful #KhorkinaNotKhorkina.
@@josephqualtier961 You're right. My bad, however, I would argue she also didn't always finish it before she passed through horizontal either. I know technically there is no further deduction specifically for that, but there is a huge difference in quality of a routine as a whole when someone is 20-30* past where everyone else's pirouettes finish. I would argue that something like the deductions for lack of swingful execution, insufficient dynamics, incorrect body alignment, or lack of rhythm could also apply. Seriously, it's like putting Onodi's release skills up against every other top competitor and calling it all equal.
So glad they changed the scoring system and took away the ability to stand on the uneven bars. The system of today at least awards execution. I find it confusingly hilarious that they kept referring to "the uneven parallel bars"
I miss Khorkina, I wish she got that gold. What a finish that'd be to her career. But regardless she's the most iconic, talented and loved person in gymnastics.
Well, that’s a matter of opinion! She was excellent at this sport, but so are many others, and there was no sportsmanship in her at all when she stated that the only reason she came in 2nd, not 1st, was because the judges were ‘biased against her because she wasn’t American’ - that’s absurd! Of course, I want everyone to achieve their dreams, but not when they get all snotty and diva like about it! However, I get sick of the Americans always thinking they are the best, and are the team to be beaten - well, if that’s the case, why were they beaten?! 🤷♀️
She was accomplished, yes. Admired? Only for her skills. For her character? Definitely not, especially by most other coaches and athletes. She was arrogant and nasty to the point a couple of times other coaches had to tell her to knock off being disrespectful to their athletes. In this competition she said something absolutely out of line to Carly in Russian- not keeping in mind that Carly’s coach is Russian! He called her out on that in a big way. Some of the most truly admired gymnasts of all time, from Nadia to Simone, Daniella to Aliya, and more were both incredible athletes and great sportsmen. Yes, there’s the occasional moment of anger or words spoken in haste but that’ every person alive. Svetlana went out of her way many times to be rude and caustic towards fellow competitors.
@@saragrant9749 I completely agree! And I also have a bit of a vendetta towards Simone Biles - she’s often spoken about as ‘the best gymnast ever’, but that’s rubbish IMO! Yes - she’s a brilliant gymnast, but so are many, many others, and I think it’s disrespectful to so many of the other superb gymnasts to be saying that about Biles! She also got my goat when I saw an interview with her where she stated she ‘kept entering competitions, and kept winning’! Whether that’s the case or not, get over yourself luv! I’ve seen her performing live, and let me tell you, she wasn’t great on the beam or floor! Many, many gymnasts are just as good as she is, and many have surpassed her! I get fed up of all the hype about her!
@@clarebell5926 the only difference is- Simone has never gone out of her way to speak down upon other gymnasts- especially during competitions. I greatly respect your opinion- and the hype definitely got old fast. It’s one of the things I really appreciate about Aliya Mustafina, Rebecca Andrade, Suni Lee, Nastia Liukin and especially Shannon Miller. They were fantastic, gold medalists- and very humble about it all.
jesus i enjoyed this commenting comb way more than Tim and Elfi they were so annoying, she's no longer commenting big comps and Tim is a lot better nowadays thank god
khorkina was clearly undermarked on vault! and maybe overall! and patterson jump was overmarked! khorkina should have received more than 9.500 and paterson less than 9.300!
The equipment now known as uneven bars for women evolved from the men’s parallel bars. Til the 1960s or so, women used the same apparatus as is known as pbars (parallel bars) for men, just set at different heights.... eventually as the uneven bars distance grew, they were manufactured differently. Calling them uneven parallel bars is just as correct as uneven bars, or just bars for short.
"She wants to know exactly what is needed." One of two of the most ridiculous remarks a commentator could ever make. That would give one the impression that, rather than the competitor doing the best that she can in difficulty and quality to assure a victory, she can "adjust" the quantity of her skills so she wouldn't have to make as much of an effort to win. It also assumes that the competitor knows without any doubt whatsoever that she WILL NOT make a single, solitary mistake should she downgrade the difficulty factor of her routine. The other of the ridiculous marks, common to Tim Daggett, is, "She just can't do better than that," relegating the competitor to having reached the top level of her performance and is incapable of doing more or better.
Marie Lou should not have counted at all...wasn't a fully attended Olympics...its like me just swimming in my pool for an hour and then saying I'm better that Michael Phelps...no no NOOOO!!! Carly is THE FIRST WOMAN TO WIN AN AA TITLE! Sorry not sorry ML...was basically given to you on a noisy silver platter...step down
Ok, that’s fine. No competition that included the Soviets should be counted either as they tainted EVERY result by having the judges in their control. It’s been proven- and a known fact- for years that it was that way. Also, when an athlete or country is not allowed to compete because of rules violations the same should hold true- the competition should not be considered and the winner dismissed. Talk about selfish, arrogant and meaningless thoughts! You clearly have an inferiority complex and just have to speak down about others to make yourself feel better. Just so you know, you’ve failed miserably.
Elena Gomez from Spain had a superb beam routine (grant it, it wasn't perfect) but received an extremely low 9.187. Ridiculous, inept judging throughout the event. Too many scoring inconsistencies. I really don't think Carly Patterson deserved to win. I'm convinced the champion should have been Anna Pavlova. Silver to Daniela Sofronie and bronze a toss up between one of the 3 that made the podium (leaning towards Zhang Nan).
It’s easy to demean the judges- people who trained for decades and have worked thousands of gymnastics competitions to be able to be considered for the Olympics- when you’ve never accomplished a single memorable thing in your entire life. The reason her score was what is was had to do with at least one element- poorly executed- not being credited and thus lowering her start value. After her vault Carly performed absolutely brilliantly and had a 10 start value on all other events, something Anna did not have (her bars were substantially too weak). I suggest you go and judge a few gymnastics competitions yourself before making yourself look the fool you clearly are.
@@turbojon8117no hate on Anna, just a bunch of people unwilling to see reality- including you. Elena here, Anna, and several others did what seemed like great gymnastics- WITH VISIBLE ERRORS and your ilk want to complain about the scores like so called experts. Practice before preaching!!
@@saragrant9749 Sara! Specify how I am unwilling to see reality. And cite where I complained about scores. *Your* ilk (sanctimonious, condescending, and knows everything about everyone from a brief comment) is the problem in most of the threads I've seen you in. Your preachiness and wild assumptions are much worse than most of the things you're complaining about and insulting people over. Did someone in the world ask you to police youtube comments? Yeah I didn't think so.
I think Anna Pavlova and Daniela Sofronie should have medaled. They both performed with poise and easy, fluid movements. They had the best choreographed routines. The scoring was very questionable. Carly Patterson's 9.7 range scores on beam and floor were too high. Her dismount on beam was spectacular but the routine in its entirety felt choppy. On floor, her dance was laughable and she took a step on practically every tumbling run. Svetlana Khorkina was stellar on vault and sophisticated on floor, but over scored on bars. Her beam and floor scores were adequate but warranted more in view of the ludicrously high scores given to Patterson.
Don’t understand how you think Carly’s beam was ‘choppy’ ? It was really well executed, fluid and the score was well deserved. Her vault was a bit meh but she hit her bars as she needed to. While her floor might seem robotic, a lot of people are the same. The tumbling was outstanding and the score was well deserved also. She had the meet of her life. If I were questioning anyone’s placing it would be Khorkina. Her vault was messy (her legs..) her bars was meh, her beam was extremely lacklustre and had many faults but her floor was well executed and had a 9.9 SV.
I agree with Anna Pavola over Zhang Nan, but Carly’s scores were fair compared to Svetlana’s. Carly did not wobble once in her beam routine and my god, that dismount. And her dancing in floor is honestly really consistent with the jazz dancing of the time. Just because it was jazz and not ballet/lyrical doesn’t mean it wasn’t 1. Executed well and 2. Idiomatic with the music. Say what you want about Carly, but she really had the beam of her life and good consistency everywhere else.
Because he has respect for the competitors' fathers and their family names, that's why!!!! Not like the dumb, arrogant noodnicks from Britain and ours from the States who perpetually butcher names with no regard for those who participate. If you listen to East European commentators, NOT ONE of them effs up the pronunciations of Western names. They take the time to learn the pronunciations before the competitions as a show of their intelligence and respect for the competitors!!! For example, if you listen to Christine Still from Britain, the announcer in the arena likely pronounces Mustafina's name properly in whatever venue she competes, but Still constantly effs it up. Her name is properly pronounced MusTAHfeena, with the accent on the second syllable. Still can't seem to get that through her fat head no matter how many times she hears it pronounced correctly and continues to say MustaFEEna with the accent on the 3rd syllable. Dimwit. Same with Daggett and Trautweg from NBC, that is until Nastia started to work with them. Now Daggett is correct half the time. Same with Khorkina's family name. She appeared once on camera and made it a point to mention how her name is pronounced. I saw how she sternly corrected everyone, and I didn't blame her. And commentators still butcher it. Frankly that kind of disrespect, laziness, arrogance and blatant stupidity doesn't speak much about the intelligence of Western commentators, or people who criticize others for making it a point to be correct.
@@tacksscherbo7771 Thanks for your novel. I wasn't talking about pronunciation. I was talking about trilling Rs for no reason. LOL. Stay mad. Fuck the patriarchy.
Sinceramente si los juegos olimpicos fueran honestos hubiese sido así: 1- Svetlana Khorkina 2- Carly Patterson 3- Anna Pavlova 4- Daniela Sofronie 5- Nan Zhang Anna Pavlova tuvo una participación perfecta por otro lado Khorkina tuvo mejor actuación en AA que en Sydney 2000. La viga de patterson fue aburrida y obsoleta lo único mejor fue su salida no entiendo como gano plata en la final cuando esa medalla pertenecía a Pavlova.💔 Que coraje y rabia ver llorar a Pavlova y Khorkina lo había dicho que el oro estaba predestinado a patterson 😠
Yo también estoy de acuerdo con que Pavlova merecía el bronce, pero cómo puedes poner a Khorkina en primer lugar con esa viga espantosa que tuvo jaja Patterson se mantuvo sólida en los cuatro ejercicios y mereció el triunfo.
Svetlana should not have medaled AT ALL. Every routine had issues, especially her beam which was a laughable mess. Carly was absolutely brilliant on every event after her vault and absolutely EARNED her gold. You people always think only Russians deserve gold and such arrogant and selfish thinking.
Я с вами абсолютно согласна.Русские очень высокомерные.Они считают себя самой превосходной расой.И так в любом виде спорта где у России хороший советский опыт.И не только в спорте и в обычной жизни тоже.😢
Oh please, she was lucky to even get silver. She should have finished fourth. Her vault was messy, her bars weren’t her best, beam was a hot mess and floor was sloppy. Carly rightfully earned the gold by performing flawless routines after her error on vault. Get a grip.
Oh sure, with a messy as heck beam set, a sloppy floor routine, a bars set that was far from her best and a vault that was certainly not her best. Please, she was lucky to even medal.
Really enjoyed the commentary, Shannon Miller is very fair
Plus she doesn’t need to point out the obviously “just a leeeeetle hop/step on the landing” like every other freaking commentator out there. I hate that! Gets my goat!
I agree i adore her. I wish she’d do more commentating today
Yeah, I agree. She's doesn't seem overzealous when critiquing, and actually seems like she wants gynmasts to do good. I feel like a lot of them want them to mess up.
Shannon is always a good, neutral commentator. However, the guy with her, doesn't know his beam from his bars and messed those up on a regular basis. Shannon just let it go though, and didn't draw attention to it, as many would. I like that she trusts the sport to judge fairly.
the queen is fair 👑
Emilie's bar routine still gives me chills!!!
There were some excellent beam workers at this Olympics.
I love the variety of skills on all the apparatuses. It feels like all of these routines are much more unique than the routines we see these days. Everyone does the same skills now.
I agree. Again due to the Code of Points and the FIGs dead set on making it even that much harder for the gymnasts what we get is what we get.
My favorite part about this is not having to hear Tim Daggett’s voice
Yes, it really is.
Or Monica Phelps. You ever want to hear someone awful just listen to her- she made Tim look amazing.
"I gotta tell ya, Al...." 😂
Fly high and stick the landing ...
State of the art
So glad they've changed the scoring system. These numbers are so close it's crazy.
@Nunovurbznzsodontask the problem with a d score unlimited is the risk on athletes and, since there are no compulsories, the dreadful techniques, awful execution you see today. Just compare the qualities of vaults, and simple skills like full spins on beam and back handsprings with those in the 90s.
@@soledadferrer1325 and there is the risk of athletes performing really desastrously and still winning the all around just because of the difficulty start value is way higher tha others.
@@cesarmirandaabreu6091 example: Maria Pazeka
@@josiefa5852 her vaults are soooo over scored!
Open ended scoring and the end of the compulsories were the worst decisions
Why did they never make Shannon the main NBC commentator? So much better than Elfie and Nastia
I will never get over Anna's 4th place finish.
Her bars were weak thats the reason why. If she had improved on that she wouldve been great
she was robbed in athens and beijing as well
@@abrahamnextel She got robbed throughout her career😢
I can't say I disagree with that one.
Carly Patterson won fair and square, but I might argue that Anna Pavlova deserved the silver medal more than Khorkina.
Khorkina was extremely sloppy on all apparatus (except bars), barely stuck any landings and rushed to salute or danced out of her tumblings /dismounts to cover up the wobbles , and her leaps and spins were nowhere near perfect, had wobbles after wobbles on beam … but they talked about the remedy for 2000..
I really wish NBC commentary was always like this.
I enjoyed this pairing very much. It was SO much more...relaxing...to listen to them. Elfi and Tim were so stressful!!!!!
@Nunovurbznzsodontask The only twat here is you
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Poor Ana Pavlova. She was poised to win the Bronze here. That error at the vault sealed her doom. It was really a stupid mistake. Or was she already thinking or excited to know she was winning an Olympic medal. Really a sad mistake.
I’ve felt this same way as I was on the end of the diving board diving for the State Diving qualification against 3 others. I knew I had it in the bag and felt kind of cocky as I had a smile on my face before even doing my last dive. I still made it to State, but State was a whole different ball game. So much talent!! I was just glad to have made it and not place last.
The single biggest stopping block for her honestly was bars- here and In Beijing. Unfortunately you have to be strong in all four events to medal in the AA at the Olympics. I think if she had been, even with the vault she would have gotten bronze.
I like how Zhang Han delays twisting when she vaults.
Like Andrade!
09:44 Svetlanas version of the “not impressed” face lol
what a longevity for svetlana 😎
I can't understand for the life of me how khorkina was such a favourite. For all the talk of russian grace on the gymternet, I think she has the grace of a stick of bamboo.
pavlova however
Lolllll. She’s so tall!!!! I just watched her in the 1995 world championships (where she actually competed against Shanon Miller) and she was awesome. It amazes me that Svetlana was still competing here as her first international medal came in 1994 and here she is competing at the Olympics 10 years later for the third time! She’s truly an icon but after these games she retired. I’m just amazed she could still do gymnastics with her growth into womanhood as we all know the sport generally favors smaller and younger athletes
@@murasakino101 yeah it’s true I don’t mean to devalue her accomplishments, it’s silly to ask why someone is favorited when they’ve won as much as she did ;)
Uncomfortable to watch. The legs and toes, not aesthetically pleasing at all.
I mean she wasn't exactly the most graceful or elegant, looked a bit like a grass hopper at times, BUT she was very good and was rather consistent throughout competitions. Also it's very much a matter of preference when it comes to artistry. Nowadays, they are calling Simone elegant when she actually looks like a cement block at times.
Love this coverage. Thank you for posting. ❤
I just love watching all the gymnasts congratulating each other at the end - it’s so wonderful to watch and shows real sportsmanship! ❤️
Thanks for uploading this version!!
Korkhina era maravilhosa e fez história na ginástica, mas Carly mereceu vencer nesse dia. Foi impecável
thanks for posting this!!!
Carly Patterson started it all when it came to the U.S. women winning all-around golds ever since.
🇺🇸🏅 Dynasty: 2004 Carly Patterson, 2008 Nastia Liukin, 2012 Gabby Douglas, 2016 Simone Biles, 2020/21 Sonia’s Lee
Marine Debauve beam score: 9.262
"Nine point six two six"
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Khorkina had an impressive career but I just don't see it - her execution is always all over the place, legs never together, etc.
You would be spot on correct- especially at the Olympics. It’s why she never won the Olympic AA gold.
Extremely unfair Anna being 4th. Nan's floor routine was not a 9.6 even couting that as a triple... Khorkina, i love her, but 9.4+ on the beam? REALLY?? Carly for me was the one who got fair scores, Zhan and Khorkina overscored, A LOT overscored. In my opinion the places were pretty much stablished if the girls did what was supposed
If Anna wanted a medal she needed stronger bars. You can’t be THAT weak on an event and medal at the Olympics in the AA- especially with that level of competition.
Khorkina always reminded me of an ostrich.
Nunovurbznzsodontask yep ! lol
That's not nice ☹️
I can’t stand her. She is disrespectful and always looks miserable.
BAHAHAHAHAAAHA HOW IS THIS NOT THE TOP COMMENT
Facts.
Anybody else terrified of the V-supports on the beam? That scares me just as much as possibly straddling the beam, if not more.
Carly looked like Jordyn during the podium ceremony
31:03 her hair makes her look like a little fairy so cute
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Khorkinas vault was WAY overscored.
Beams and floor also.
Should anyone else delivered the same performance,,the score would be way lower. H
9.575 Paterson bars?
@QPHashSS77 Yea. If anything, I prefer Anna Pavlova for the silver medal instead of Khorkina.
Carly’s vault and bars were over scored!!!
QPHashSS77 Carly was overscored too. PERIOD!!!!!
I forgot that Slater’s floor music was Moulin Rouge! Her dance is really good. I always loved her on bars! Wish she made the finals.
The Artistic Gymnastics Olympic Games Athens 2004 Women's All-Around Final: 🥇🇺🇲🥈🇷🇺🥉🇨🇳.
Khorkina was looking like a Chihuahua there
I remember thinking to myself, if the Romanians had entered Catalina Ponor instead of Daniela Sofronie in the Women’s all around final, would Carly Patterson have won the women’s all around title? Or would Ponor been Olympic All Around Champion?
I wondered exactly the same thing...🤔
Ponor did not have good bars ans vault. She was floor and beam specialist
Ponor isn’t an all around gymnast lol
Ponor is and was a beam and floor specialist i believe bars would have done her in. Carly winning was amazing bc she was kinda off umtil beam
@@Alinecms i mean she was kinda told to do that, it was her coach’s decision that they didn’t need another all around gymnast so she stopped doing bars and focused on beam and fx, her DTY in team finals would have been solid enough for her to stay in competition for an AA medal
apparently she also said that bars was her favorite apparatus until she got better on beam but that she was never taught the proper technique to gain enough momentum for a harder dismount than a double pike
i feel like her not being an AA gymnast has more to do w her coach‘s decisions than her abilities
It’s almost like they forgot Carly was one of the favorites, not showing her bars or beam lol. At least they went back and showed her beam, which was fierce. So many great performances in this AA final, beyond the medalists but the competition between Carly and Khorkina was an understated and epic duel. 🙌❤️
They did show her bars. They actually skipped Courtney’s. If they had not shown Carly’s beam that would’ve been a CRIME
So I’m glad they went back
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Why doesn’t Shannon replace the Canadian lady on the commentary?
That wouldn't suffice! They need to get rid of all 3. Elfi, dreadful drama queen Tim Dagget and the useless dope Al Trautwig.
Shannon Miller is so much better than dismally boring Nastia Liukin as well.
Shannon Miller, Bart Connor and Nadia would be an awesome trio!
@@gaelgarciabernal2434 they've been rid of Al and Elfi for a few years now
Gael Garcia Bernal Yes!!
We think Elfi did an excellent job supporting the Americans even though she was Canadian. Unlike Ato Boldon, if we remember correctly, who always supported the other sprinters especially from the islands. If you are commenting for an American audience, then you should support them. Whatever country you are a commentator for, you need to at least make positive comments for that country's athletes. We did feel bad when Elfi was replaced for Nastia, but it seems to make sense. Thanks Elfi for your work on the past Olympics.
@@figureskating2724 I agree. Elfi was great and she was only replaced as NBC felt Nastia's celebrity would boost ratings. They were wrong.
1:11:55 1:12:55 isso aqui é uma tripla pirueta? E ela ainda faz uma dupla pirueta e meia na segunda diagonal, como isso foi validado? Essas notas ñ faziam o menor sentido, como isso era julgado, a roubalheira comia solta, tenho pra mim que os juízes escolhiam quem eles gostavam mais kkkkk, as notas todas próximas uma das outras, umas arriscavam mais outras bem menos e as notas praticamente iguais! O tanto de injustiça que acontecia nesse código de pontuação! Sofronie e a Pavlova mereciam muito mais o pódio que a khorkina e a chinesa, nome contava muito, khorkina então, notas infladíssimas, com execuções bem meia bocas, mas era a queridinha
I think Carly Paterson will win her gold.
Do you have footage of Irina Yarotska's bars from this AA?
and Emilie Leppenec's floor?
no
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Una de las mas grandes injusticias en la gimnasia artística Anna Pavlova fue boicoteada y robada pues ella merecía estar dentro de los 3 primeros lugares ya que su actuación fue impecable y en la final de viga le dieron muy baja calificación en la final de saltó fue buena su actuación y como muchos dicen que las barras asimétricas no eran su fuerte lo hizo muy elegante y limpio, ella siempre será la gimnasta más elegante y artística ❤
El salto de Paterson es de 9.275
I am going to be controversial: I have never understood Kupets success on UB. Truly, what deal did she/Kelly/USAG make where the judges and commentators would all just just ignore the .3 deduction on that endo full? And the "Khorkina" was awful #KhorkinaNotKhorkina.
Because that wasn’t a .3 deduction back then… everyone did low pirouettes bc it wasn’t a huge deduction
@@josephqualtier961 You're right. My bad, however, I would argue she also didn't always finish it before she passed through horizontal either. I know technically there is no further deduction specifically for that, but there is a huge difference in quality of a routine as a whole when someone is 20-30* past where everyone else's pirouettes finish.
I would argue that something like the deductions for lack of swingful execution, insufficient dynamics, incorrect body alignment, or lack of rhythm could also apply.
Seriously, it's like putting Onodi's release skills up against every other top competitor and calling it all equal.
I hope Svetlana has gained at least a pound. In every single event. And when she landed I thought she was going to snap in half.
Right? I remember saying that she could have used 10lbs on her
One of the BBC commentators said shes just too skinny
People need to stop commentating on Sventlana weight it doesn’t matter she was a very good gymnast and maybe that was just how her body was.
@QPHashSS77 same? Explain please. Simone isn't tall and lanky, she's small and explosive. Two totally different types of gymnasts.
@QPHashSS77 besides this video was about the Olympics in 2004 Simone doesn't have anything to do with this.
33:47 Shannon, Sveta fell on a Ricna in 2000.
Nicoletta sofronie merecía ganar el oro en allá around en éstos juegos Atenas 2004
Thanks for the upload! Not a fan of the male commentator! Using words like "poor performance" repeatedly and "disaster."
So glad they changed the scoring system and took away the ability to stand on the uneven bars. The system of today at least awards execution.
I find it confusingly hilarious that they kept referring to "the uneven parallel bars"
Yes him saying “uneven parallel bars” annoyed me too!!
I miss Khorkina, I wish she got that gold. What a finish that'd be to her career. But regardless she's the most iconic, talented and loved person in gymnastics.
Well, that’s a matter of opinion! She was excellent at this sport, but so are many others, and there was no sportsmanship in her at all when she stated that the only reason she came in 2nd, not 1st, was because the judges were ‘biased against her because she wasn’t American’ - that’s absurd! Of course, I want everyone to achieve their dreams, but not when they get all snotty and diva like about it!
However, I get sick of the Americans always thinking they are the best, and are the team to be beaten - well, if that’s the case, why were they beaten?! 🤷♀️
Definitely not. Lol calling her bitch and diva usually means she’s not liked 😊.
She was accomplished, yes. Admired? Only for her skills. For her character? Definitely not, especially by most other coaches and athletes. She was arrogant and nasty to the point a couple of times other coaches had to tell her to knock off being disrespectful to their athletes. In this competition she said something absolutely out of line to Carly in Russian- not keeping in mind that Carly’s coach is Russian! He called her out on that in a big way.
Some of the most truly admired gymnasts of all time, from Nadia to Simone, Daniella to Aliya, and more were both incredible athletes and great sportsmen. Yes, there’s the occasional moment of anger or words spoken in haste but that’ every person alive. Svetlana went out of her way many times to be rude and caustic towards fellow competitors.
@@saragrant9749 I completely agree! And I also have a bit of a vendetta towards Simone Biles - she’s often spoken about as ‘the best gymnast ever’, but that’s rubbish IMO! Yes - she’s a brilliant gymnast, but so are many, many others, and I think it’s disrespectful to so many of the other superb gymnasts to be saying that about Biles! She also got my goat when I saw an interview with her where she stated she ‘kept entering competitions, and kept winning’! Whether that’s the case or not, get over yourself luv! I’ve seen her performing live, and let me tell you, she wasn’t great on the beam or floor! Many, many gymnasts are just as good as she is, and many have surpassed her! I get fed up of all the hype about her!
@@clarebell5926 the only difference is- Simone has never gone out of her way to speak down upon other gymnasts- especially during competitions. I greatly respect your opinion- and the hype definitely got old fast. It’s one of the things I really appreciate about Aliya Mustafina, Rebecca Andrade, Suni Lee, Nastia Liukin and especially Shannon Miller. They were fantastic, gold medalists- and very humble about it all.
jesus i enjoyed this commenting comb way more than Tim and Elfi they were so annoying, she's no longer commenting big comps and Tim is a lot better nowadays thank god
1:16:51 I freaking love Courtney Kupets!❤️😍😘💍
Ma la Korkhina sa sorridere? Pieno stile russo.........
I feel like it seemed so empty compared to other Olympics
Not as empty as 2020 😂
Why is there no beAm bAlAnce in men's artistic gymnastics..?
khorkina was clearly undermarked on vault! and maybe overall! and patterson jump was overmarked! khorkina should have received more than 9.500 and paterson less than 9.300!
Carly’s floor was so overscored I think 9.6 at best
Anyone have the team final with these commentators? The trio is annoying
Nobody bothered to tell him how stupid he sounds saying “uneven parallel bars”?
Why would they? It's one of their many names.
Well they are uneven, and parallel to each other , so it makes sense anyways.
The equipment now known as uneven bars for women evolved from the men’s parallel bars. Til the 1960s or so, women used the same apparatus as is known as pbars (parallel bars) for men, just set at different heights.... eventually as the uneven bars distance grew, they were manufactured differently. Calling them uneven parallel bars is just as correct as uneven bars, or just bars for short.
Uneven in terms of height but parallel with each other.
@Nunovurbznzsodontask Nobody calls it that, and you know it moron.
Pavlova will always be AA Champ from this competition in my mind. She turned in the best performance, start values be damned.
You got a gold star for having an 18 minute mile in your senior year of high school
She’d have been AA champion if this had been a level 7 competition, but not in any way at the Olympics.
WE Rule....GO YANKS !
"She wants to know exactly what is needed." One of two of the most ridiculous remarks a commentator could ever make. That would give one the impression that, rather than the competitor doing the best that she can in difficulty and quality to assure a victory, she can "adjust" the quantity of her skills so she wouldn't have to make as much of an effort to win. It also assumes that the competitor knows without any doubt whatsoever that she WILL NOT make a single, solitary mistake should she downgrade the difficulty factor of her routine. The other of the ridiculous marks, common to Tim Daggett, is, "She just can't do better than that," relegating the competitor to having reached the top level of her performance and is incapable of doing more or better.
Marie Lou should not have counted at all...wasn't a fully attended Olympics...its like me just swimming in my pool for an hour and then saying I'm better that Michael Phelps...no no NOOOO!!! Carly is THE FIRST WOMAN TO WIN AN AA TITLE! Sorry not sorry ML...was basically given to you on a noisy silver platter...step down
Ok, that’s fine. No competition that included the Soviets should be counted either as they tainted EVERY result by having the judges in their control. It’s been proven- and a known fact- for years that it was that way. Also, when an athlete or country is not allowed to compete because of rules violations the same should hold true- the competition should not be considered and the winner dismissed. Talk about selfish, arrogant and meaningless thoughts! You clearly have an inferiority complex and just have to speak down about others to make yourself feel better. Just so you know, you’ve failed miserably.
Elena Gomez from Spain had a superb beam routine (grant it, it wasn't perfect) but received an extremely low 9.187.
Ridiculous, inept judging throughout the event.
Too many scoring inconsistencies. I really don't think Carly Patterson deserved to win.
I'm convinced the champion should have been Anna Pavlova. Silver to Daniela Sofronie and bronze a toss up between one of the 3 that made the podium (leaning towards Zhang Nan).
her switch half wasnt counted
It’s easy to demean the judges- people who trained for decades and have worked thousands of gymnastics competitions to be able to be considered for the Olympics- when you’ve never accomplished a single memorable thing in your entire life. The reason her score was what is was had to do with at least one element- poorly executed- not being credited and thus lowering her start value. After her vault Carly performed absolutely brilliantly and had a 10 start value on all other events, something Anna did not have (her bars were substantially too weak). I suggest you go and judge a few gymnastics competitions yourself before making yourself look the fool you clearly are.
@@saragrant9749Geez who shat in your coffee 7 months ago to make you leave so many hateful comments on this video and targeting Pavlova specifically?
@@turbojon8117no hate on Anna, just a bunch of people unwilling to see reality- including you. Elena here, Anna, and several others did what seemed like great gymnastics- WITH VISIBLE ERRORS and your ilk want to complain about the scores like so called experts. Practice before preaching!!
@@saragrant9749 Sara! Specify how I am unwilling to see reality. And cite where I complained about scores. *Your* ilk (sanctimonious, condescending, and knows everything about everyone from a brief comment) is the problem in most of the threads I've seen you in. Your preachiness and wild assumptions are much worse than most of the things you're complaining about and insulting people over. Did someone in the world ask you to police youtube comments? Yeah I didn't think so.
Khorkina 💅
FOURTH PLACE is more like it. A gold medal for that slop fest? Please, not even close.
I think Anna Pavlova and Daniela Sofronie should have medaled. They both performed with poise and easy, fluid movements. They had the best choreographed routines.
The scoring was very questionable. Carly Patterson's 9.7 range scores on beam and floor were too high. Her dismount on beam was spectacular but the routine in its entirety felt choppy. On floor, her dance was laughable and she took a step on practically every tumbling run.
Svetlana Khorkina was stellar on vault and sophisticated on floor, but over scored on bars. Her beam and floor scores were adequate but warranted more in view of the ludicrously high scores given to Patterson.
Gael Garcia Bernal I agree with your comment about Carly’s dance on floor. It’s so wooden and expressionless.
Don’t understand how you think Carly’s beam was ‘choppy’ ? It was really well executed, fluid and the score was well deserved. Her vault was a bit meh but she hit her bars as she needed to. While her floor might seem robotic, a lot of people are the same. The tumbling was outstanding and the score was well deserved also. She had the meet of her life.
If I were questioning anyone’s placing it would be Khorkina. Her vault was messy (her legs..) her bars was meh, her beam was extremely lacklustre and had many faults but her floor was well executed and had a 9.9 SV.
I agree with Anna Pavola over Zhang Nan, but Carly’s scores were fair compared to Svetlana’s. Carly did not wobble once in her beam routine and my god, that dismount. And her dancing in floor is honestly really consistent with the jazz dancing of the time. Just because it was jazz and not ballet/lyrical doesn’t mean it wasn’t 1. Executed well and 2. Idiomatic with the music. Say what you want about Carly, but she really had the beam of her life and good consistency everywhere else.
I cannot stand the male commentator ... why does he feel the need to trill the Rs on every single European name? Good god. Just staaaaaahp.
Because he has respect for the competitors' fathers and their family names, that's why!!!! Not like the dumb, arrogant noodnicks from Britain and ours from the States who perpetually butcher names with no regard for those who participate. If you listen to East European commentators, NOT ONE of them effs up the pronunciations of Western names. They take the time to learn the pronunciations before the competitions as a show of their intelligence and respect for the competitors!!! For example, if you listen to Christine Still from Britain, the announcer in the arena likely pronounces Mustafina's name properly in whatever venue she competes, but Still constantly effs it up. Her name is properly pronounced MusTAHfeena, with the accent on the second syllable. Still can't seem to get that through her fat head no matter how many times she hears it pronounced correctly and continues to say MustaFEEna with the accent on the 3rd syllable. Dimwit. Same with Daggett and Trautweg from NBC, that is until Nastia started to work with them. Now Daggett is correct half the time. Same with Khorkina's family name. She appeared once on camera and made it a point to mention how her name is pronounced. I saw how she sternly corrected everyone, and I didn't blame her. And commentators still butcher it. Frankly that kind of disrespect, laziness, arrogance and blatant stupidity doesn't speak much about the intelligence of Western commentators, or people who criticize others for making it a point to be correct.
@@tacksscherbo7771 Thanks for your novel. I wasn't talking about pronunciation. I was talking about trilling Rs for no reason. LOL. Stay mad. Fuck the patriarchy.
Just like you trilled the “aaaaaaaa” in your comment?
@@existential09 You should look up what "trill" means, bestie. Kindly go back into the cave you came out of.
It sounds more like you have a problem with yourself and have to complain about others to bring yourself up. Nice try but an epic failure.
Sinceramente si los juegos olimpicos fueran honestos hubiese sido así:
1- Svetlana Khorkina
2- Carly Patterson
3- Anna Pavlova
4- Daniela Sofronie
5- Nan Zhang
Anna Pavlova tuvo una participación perfecta por otro lado Khorkina tuvo mejor actuación en AA que en Sydney 2000.
La viga de patterson fue aburrida y obsoleta lo único mejor fue su salida no entiendo como gano plata en la final cuando esa medalla pertenecía a Pavlova.💔
Que coraje y rabia ver llorar a Pavlova y Khorkina lo había dicho que el oro estaba predestinado a patterson 😠
Yo también estoy de acuerdo con que Pavlova merecía el bronce, pero cómo puedes poner a Khorkina en primer lugar con esa viga espantosa que tuvo jaja Patterson se mantuvo sólida en los cuatro ejercicios y mereció el triunfo.
Svetlana should not have medaled AT ALL. Every routine had issues, especially her beam which was a laughable mess. Carly was absolutely brilliant on every event after her vault and absolutely EARNED her gold. You people always think only Russians deserve gold and such arrogant and selfish thinking.
Я с вами абсолютно согласна.Русские очень высокомерные.Они считают себя самой превосходной расой.И так в любом виде спорта где у России хороший советский опыт.И не только в спорте и в обычной жизни тоже.😢
Khorkina es la verdadera ganadora de la medalla de ORO
Inaccurate 🤡. She’s a three time loser in the Olympic all around 🙃
Oh please, she was lucky to even get silver. She should have finished fourth. Her vault was messy, her bars weren’t her best, beam was a hot mess and floor was sloppy. Carly rightfully earned the gold by performing flawless routines after her error on vault. Get a grip.
KHORKINA GOLD MEDAL
Khorkina FOURTH PLACE. She did not even deserve a medal at all with her sloppy, messy performance.
poor Korkina shge deserved gold
Oh sure, with a messy as heck beam set, a sloppy floor routine, a bars set that was far from her best and a vault that was certainly not her best. Please, she was lucky to even medal.
@@saragrant9749 lol
I thought it should have gone to Svetlana Khorkina.
Oh hell naw. I wasn't a fan of Patterson but she really earned her gold medal.
I,say No way. Carly deserved it. Svetlana just didn't draw me to her. Not a Svetlana fan. She seemed boring to me.
Svetlana was sloppy throughout that whole competition and shouldn’t have medaled at all.
Corruption
You talking about Russia? The country that sanctioned a doping center? That has no problem murdering innocents? I’d agree.