@@ShayzenDG I think you mean that even if you mess up and don't time it, it automatically BLOCKS! Go cry somewhere else.. I'm just stating the facts here when I say Jin's parry is super broken it avoids everything even bullets lol.
@@Patilikas11 you are the one crying here, he Just stated the fact, that jin parry requires timing and very big knowledge to be used correctly and u can launch it on read, but u gotta delay your launch by about 15-30 frames (delayed hopkick works well)
"Every character is dishonest except my own" is the most Jin main quote you can find. This is a great video though, and would be great for other characters to get something like it too. Props to Trizzy too. Played him before and the dude's really good.
Jin mains: we use the most honest character Everyone else: no Jin is strong but he isn't perfect. He has his fair share of weaknesses (stubby arms, no Oki etc.) and good strengths but I think this video puts it best. You have to put yourself in a worse position every time you want to be the aggressor. High risk = high reward, and I think that's why we have the second worst win rate online 🤣
Jin is invincible as a character on paper, he got zero weakness, Crazy moves(f4, b21, 2 4,) and EVERY important tool in game. Long range mid check, hop-kick, df2,df1, fast-safe-mid-chLauncher, vortex, solid pokes, good punishment, tons of strings, launching hell-sweep and many many other things... My main problem with jin is his safeness, why b21 is safe? This is not make any sense, it's a infinity range hit-comfirmable move.
Should mention that Jin has some of the worst Oki in the game. His usual combo enders don't give him time to set up Oki and will lose to pretty much any getup kick. Don't let him try and run fake Oki. Force him to respect your wakeup options so that he can't maintain momentum.
i don't even think ff3 hits grounded? and 4~3 is alright for evasion but puts Jin in a worse position at FUFT. I'd argue it is genuinely the worst in the game.
@@shahtayyib ff3 does not hit grounded, no. ff4 and d4 do but they will still lose to getup kicks after standard combo enders. you can collect some oki by giving up a lot of damage and ending your combo early but even then jin's oki tools aren't nearly as threatening as someone like kazuya.
I kinda like the way this channel has been going with a lot of short but useful videos. Even though I have been playing T7 for a few years now, these videos show there is still so much to learn! However, I hope when Tekken 8 comes out, those super long character guides will be back on TBS, they are always the best 🦾
We'll definitely go back to making comprehensive character guides for Tekken 8. At this stage in Tekken 7's life though we're focusing on more regular, digestible short-form videos whilst making guides for other fighting games. Watch this space!
the most common punish jin has is 2,4. i dont see a point in the 1,2,3 or 2,1,4. they dont do much dmg and just throwing them with no reason is asking to be punished. ik this video is for countering jin but i digress.
Things that got left out that make the difference between a bad jin player that you can beat doing what this video said and a good jin player. Best parry in the game- don't mash you'll get launched No mention of Jin's launching hell sweep to compliment the billions of good mids he has. Jin has a perfect throw game. 1 break 2 break & 1+2 break. Edit: this was in no way to say it wasn't a good video with important points, or that they didn't work hard to make the video.
I hear you but of course this isn't meant to be a comprehensive anti-Jin guide. It's aimed at more advanced players who'd be familiar with option selects and are aware that a Jin could just dash in and hellsweep if they're abused too much.
Lol jin has so many moves if someone does this to neutralize me I'll be sure to switch it up jins parry made me a monster made my timing so good for low parry because it especially with match up knowledge I beat so many with almost no combos
Isn't that the definition on "broken"? Yoshi also got tools for almost any situation, but he cannot just randomly pick an option and be sure it works 80% of times, unlike Jin. P.S. I'm not a Yoshi player
@@artsq1550 broken is the shit we got with the DLC’s (Not Anna, Lei and AK) Jin is not cheesy like other broken characters. What they should do to him is remove some of his moves or change their properties of them. He’s too good.
@@since2133 not arguing with point about DLC (except Ganryu maybe), but that doesn't make Jin any less cheap. If you can throw out any of plethora of moves (including Throws mixup on par, if not better, with grappler's one) and not being afraid of consequences even on wiff for many moves, that eliminates yhe need of decision making. That's called "cheap" in my book.
@@artsq1550 that’s not the case, it’s actually very difficult to win with jin because tho he might have a tool for every situation, the jin player must have good knowledge to be able to understand how to deal with their opponent very specifically
Oh thank god. Im learning the tech to beat the biggest try hards. Now how do I beat Yoshimitsu? Also, the opening remark is the invetiability every player who plays enough of a fighting game experiences sooner or latter. Every character is dishonest and sucks to play against...except my own.
Tizzi: Jin is a fair character. Also Tizzi: You have to hardread every of his move to do damage, on the wrong read you got smacked. And not getting counterhitted (i.e. not trying to attack Jin yourself). L - logic
Meanwhile I rarely use those because of the time required to do them. Mostly FF3, idk how or why that became so common for people to use because to me it’s just so slow and dangerous that I rarely bother. Mind you, I am definitely not the type to stick with only safe moves and all of that, it’s just that I’m so vulnerable during that FF stage that it makes me super uneasy about trying it because even after that, I got a slow ass move that needs to wind up before anything good happens on my end 😆
@zachery429 you have to condition them not to press with the electric and when that happens you can start the ff3/hellsweep mix. They look the same if you do them both out of wave dash. Ff3 is such a good mid
@@Dirtgut I was so weirded out to see my old username in your response to me, wonder why it shows that? (Edit: I’ve fixed that so thanks for the accidental heads up lol) Anyway yeah I gotcha, appreciate the response as well and I totally agree that it’s a good mid but man it sketches me out so badly lol
@@Dirtgut so on the mobile app just click on your picture, I accessed it via the “Library” button on the bottom right, and there should be a way to edit your profile settings right there at the top of your screen lol
I don't understand how people can complain about Jin's moves when TBS is literally showing you how to counter his pressure. I guess it's because people can't sidestep or fuzzy guard 😅
it's the same thing for other characters where there's technically a weakness but people eat it anyways . and countering it is a skill thing and also read. not like you can perfectly counter everyone and everything just cause you know it on paper.
FACTS. Considering the Tekken community though, it's not surprising. People will clamor to busted characters and abuse as much cheese and combos (that they learned from someone else's UA-cam 😂)... ...but, really turn around and act like Jin players are something else. It's nothing but projection if you ask me. People salty cause they had to play with a clown level character just to get some W's.
Half the Tekken community got all this Anti-Jin energy as if every Jin player can just wreck folks with F4 and electrics (cause yeah every last one of us owns a $300 fight stick 😂).
These 100wpm input advanced quantum computer AI anti-stratagems are easier said that done. For example mistiming downjab vs 1,2,3 even slightly will result in you getting counterhit, knocked down, and guarantee a followup for a billion damage. Or as another example trying to fuzzy duck against df+1,4 WILL get you launched if mistimed even by just a smidgen. And all this stuff has to be done on reaction when he has other options, for example 1,d+3 from his jab. tldr, yeah, Jin is unironically dishonest. Jin = fraud.
The most important term to understand here is "option select". From Infil's FG glossary: A situation where performing the same inputs can lead to several different outcomes depending on how the characters interact. Often abbreviated as "OS". In this video for example there's a lot of sidestep duck or backdash to cover multiple options. The other term is "fuzzy guard", which is also an option select. Again from the glossary: A technique where you try to change your block very precisely in order to cover multiple directions. Links: glossary.infil.net/?t=Option%20Select glossary.infil.net/?t=Fuzzy%20Guard
While this is nice, realisticly no one is gonna be able to anticipate moves 100% of the time nor react to them properly either... Good video regardless.
So much copium in the comments. Damn. Side note: If I can beat you with a difficult character like jin, I can beat you with anyone else besides either akuma or yoshi, cope harder
He's definitely among the strongest in the cast. These aren't easy strategies imo as they require a lot of reads and downloading. only lower level Jin players limit their moveset and use flowcharts, from what i've seen, except for zen transitions which are everywhere.
Such a braind**d character, ff3 neutral on block, forces crouch on opponent(plus ait has follow ups)AND a low launcher which cannot be backdashed to wavedash unlike other characters, I can go on like that with other 20 moves. There are people that seriously think he is hard while he has everything, is not complex, you can choose whatever playstyle you want or need.
Some people think he is hard Just because of ewgf and f4 rawcombo. Thing is very strong without ewgf, and f4 stance cancel combo still Pretty good, f4 d2 is decent and 45dmg iirc. Also is not "hard" to practice X hours in practice mode.
@@ThatBlastedSalami I checked with my Second accout that my comment wasn't visibile because of that censurated word I guess, I wrote that comment, came back to my First account which is this, wanted to add that, couldn't bother to change account again.
He’s heard cuz of his lack of range and linear. And have to use his moves correctly. He doesn’t crush a lot of moves besides with zen really. Literally hwo and many other characters with strings are braindead u just get smoked
jin mains will be spamming 2 moves and 3 command throws and call this hardcore gaming most people have average reaction speed and that cannot be changed, characters with 3 different command throws will always be the reason why you'll never be even remotely good at this game
Jin is actually very one dimensional character. Most of the time is fishing for CH games with all his safe moves. Visually not cheesy but actually the most cheesy character.
Super glad to have collabed with TBS, many more characters will definitely be coming 👌🏾
Oh shit its trizzy x TBS !!!
Do Hwaorang next please.
Daaaaamn, LD crew boutta clown this lmfao
Good ass tech my guy, thanks for letting us know
Let's go Trizzy!!
Rule of thumb for Jin: Sidestep his pokes to your left, sidestep his Mishima & big slow stuff to your right.
Never felt Jin was cheap but awesome video anyway.
A anti Hwoa video would be 30 minutes long lol.
He has a really cheap parry though..
@@Patilikas11 still have to time it and nothings guarenteed
@@ShayzenDG I think you mean that even if you mess up and don't time it, it automatically BLOCKS!
Go cry somewhere else..
I'm just stating the facts here when I say Jin's parry is super broken it avoids everything even bullets lol.
@@Patilikas11 you are the one crying here, he Just stated the fact, that jin parry requires timing and very big knowledge to be used correctly and u can launch it on read, but u gotta delay your launch by about 15-30 frames (delayed hopkick works well)
Nah Jin is cheap for sure. F4 is the win button. At least they nerfed ws3
"Every character is dishonest except my own" is the most Jin main quote you can find. This is a great video though, and would be great for other characters to get something like it too.
Props to Trizzy too. Played him before and the dude's really good.
it's true though
I’d love for you to prove it wrong though lol
Trizzy has such in depth knowledge. It is great seeing more people being able to pick his brain about Tekken.
Wooow so condensed, nice!!!
That was amazing. Terrific vid.
Based Jin most honest character
Wow trizzy on blasted salami?! That's tight!
omgggg, it's Kaizur from Lucky Chloe!!!!
The key to countering him countering ur jin is to just change the timing remember jin gang we are broken and in this together
Type of content we need 👏🏾
Yess, need these for every character
So much info in just 93 sec! Hell yeah, I wanna see more of you) Thx a lot!
Can you make a video about honest and dishonest definition on characters and moves?
Noted! Cool idea for a vid, thanks for the suggestion.
0:40 Zugzwang luuul
As a german, I feel represented now.
the key to beating jin is to do something cheesy or gimmicky which is 100% certain to trigger the jin main and make them tilted
🤣🤣🤣
Sadly very true lol
So basically pick 90% of the roster and have at it. 😂
Yo this is gonna help so much in the future when fighting Jins! Great video, nice and concise 👍
Yo that was crazy helpful, I struggle vs jin
Amazing! More of this!
Agh, quick and dirty matchup knowledge. It's beautiful!
This is incredible!
Great guide 👍
This is the perfect guide for psychics
this video is is so fast it feels like fighting vs hwo i just spam stop button
Amaaazing video.
This video is really good info wow
More vids like this! Leveled up my gameplay in one minute!!
Yoooo this is gold
Jin mains: we use the most honest character
Everyone else: no
Jin is strong but he isn't perfect. He has his fair share of weaknesses (stubby arms, no Oki etc.) and good strengths but I think this video puts it best. You have to put yourself in a worse position every time you want to be the aggressor. High risk = high reward, and I think that's why we have the second worst win rate online 🤣
There’s a character worse than Jin?
@@soprecise7993 I think Yoshi’s win rate is worse.
@@RanOutOfSpac oh ok yea I have heard that. Strange though I fight so many Yoshis in god ranks. Feels like he carries
Jin is invincible as a character on paper, he got zero weakness, Crazy moves(f4, b21, 2 4,) and EVERY important tool in game. Long range mid check, hop-kick, df2,df1, fast-safe-mid-chLauncher, vortex, solid pokes, good punishment, tons of strings, launching hell-sweep and many many other things...
My main problem with jin is his safeness, why b21 is safe? This is not make any sense, it's a infinity range hit-comfirmable move.
@@odkgame693is this "invincible character" in a room with us? Tell me what is the last time Jin won a major if he's that strong?
can you guys make a video about various option selects
Thanks it's really help me🙏🙏
Very good content. Would love to see an anti kazumi and anti steve. The former is my friend's main and the latter is my main.
Should mention that Jin has some of the worst Oki in the game. His usual combo enders don't give him time to set up Oki and will lose to pretty much any getup kick. Don't let him try and run fake Oki. Force him to respect your wakeup options so that he can't maintain momentum.
Yeah, d2 is terrible lol. No range and too slow.
i don't even think ff3 hits grounded? and 4~3 is alright for evasion but puts Jin in a worse position at FUFT. I'd argue it is genuinely the worst in the game.
Jin Is the best character in Tekken7 better than Akuma.
@@shahtayyib ff3 does not hit grounded, no. ff4 and d4 do but they will still lose to getup kicks after standard combo enders.
you can collect some oki by giving up a lot of damage and ending your combo early but even then jin's oki tools aren't nearly as threatening as someone like kazuya.
@@user-vh4nk5yy6s word. I remember when f4 used to hit grounded lol. Better times.
bro pronouncing zugzwang like its the name of some chinese warlord from 2000 years ago
Can you do Anti Hwoarang? The annoying lows when or how.
I'm happy Baek has gone. But Hwoarang moves are quite difficult to predict/confusing. lol
Really can't wait for Guessin 8
This is the best how to counter charecter video!
ayo need this kinda video for other commonly played characters
Dude Jin at high level is a nightmare 😭😭😭😭😭
This was great
Aria we need this for Steve homie.
In time!
I kinda like the way this channel has been going with a lot of short but useful videos. Even though I have been playing T7 for a few years now, these videos show there is still so much to learn! However, I hope when Tekken 8 comes out, those super long character guides will be back on TBS, they are always the best 🦾
We'll definitely go back to making comprehensive character guides for Tekken 8. At this stage in Tekken 7's life though we're focusing on more regular, digestible short-form videos whilst making guides for other fighting games. Watch this space!
More of these more of these more of these!
I think I'll change my main character right now💀
If it’s that’s easy for you to be detoured then drop Jin
@@Bloodhound_214 No need men, Im just joking btw, peace✌️
i feel like the video didnt have to be this compact it can be longer because there are a lot to take in but its a really good video thanks
the most common punish jin has is 2,4. i dont see a point in the 1,2,3 or 2,1,4. they dont do much dmg and just throwing them with no reason is asking to be punished. ik this video is for countering jin but i digress.
Things that got left out that make the difference between a bad jin player that you can beat doing what this video said and a good jin player.
Best parry in the game- don't mash you'll get launched
No mention of Jin's launching hell sweep to compliment the billions of good mids he has.
Jin has a perfect throw game. 1 break 2 break & 1+2 break.
Edit: this was in no way to say it wasn't a good video with important points, or that they didn't work hard to make the video.
I hear you but of course this isn't meant to be a comprehensive anti-Jin guide. It's aimed at more advanced players who'd be familiar with option selects and are aware that a Jin could just dash in and hellsweep if they're abused too much.
Fun Fact: easier said than done. Like hell you can beat a strong jin just knowing this
for 1,2,3 and 1,2,4 how do you fuzzy guard between the 3 and the 4?
You could duck jab both options.
I need an Anti-King right now please!
Awesome stuff, but I have to watch at half speed (or less)
Can we get more vids like this?
Definitely!
Lol jin has so many moves if someone does this to neutralize me I'll be sure to switch it up jins parry made me a monster made my timing so good for low parry because it especially with match up knowledge I beat so many with almost no combos
Around what rank if you’re good I’m down to improve
good video bro
yeah sure because you can actually tell the difference when in real match
You can option select the 1,2 mixup by dick jabbing which literally everyone does against Jin
You should make a how to play Jin next please 🙏😔
It's from Season 1 but most of it is still relevant: ua-cam.com/video/zU1tD6Wcy14/v-deo.html
He’s not broken but he has all tools which makes him the perfect tekken character with the least flaws.
Isn't that the definition on "broken"? Yoshi also got tools for almost any situation, but he cannot just randomly pick an option and be sure it works 80% of times, unlike Jin. P.S. I'm not a Yoshi player
@Baby gimme Feet ff2 and qcf 2 says otherwise.
@@artsq1550 broken is the shit we got with the DLC’s (Not Anna, Lei and AK)
Jin is not cheesy like other broken characters. What they should do to him is remove some of his moves or change their properties of them. He’s too good.
@@since2133 not arguing with point about DLC (except Ganryu maybe), but that doesn't make Jin any less cheap. If you can throw out any of plethora of moves (including Throws mixup on par, if not better, with grappler's one) and not being afraid of consequences even on wiff for many moves, that eliminates yhe need of decision making. That's called "cheap" in my book.
@@artsq1550 that’s not the case, it’s actually very difficult to win with jin because tho he might have a tool for every situation, the jin player must have good knowledge to be able to understand how to deal with their opponent very specifically
Oh thank god. Im learning the tech to beat the biggest try hards.
Now how do I beat Yoshimitsu?
Also, the opening remark is the invetiability every player who plays enough of a fighting game experiences sooner or latter.
Every character is dishonest and sucks to play against...except my own.
I've beaten maybe 2-3 Yoshi's in my thousands of hours 🤣 flippin trolls. They always get me.
Tizzi: Jin is a fair character.
Also Tizzi: You have to hardread every of his move to do damage, on the wrong read you got smacked. And not getting counterhitted (i.e. not trying to attack Jin yourself).
L - logic
this applies to like 80% of the cast lol
obviously you need reads to get big damage, and wrong reads can lead to getting CH
The Jins i meet:
Hellsweep or FF3
Meanwhile I rarely use those because of the time required to do them. Mostly FF3, idk how or why that became so common for people to use because to me it’s just so slow and dangerous that I rarely bother. Mind you, I am definitely not the type to stick with only safe moves and all of that, it’s just that I’m so vulnerable during that FF stage that it makes me super uneasy about trying it because even after that, I got a slow ass move that needs to wind up before anything good happens on my end 😆
@zachery429 you have to condition them not to press with the electric and when that happens you can start the ff3/hellsweep mix. They look the same if you do them both out of wave dash. Ff3 is such a good mid
@@Dirtgut I was so weirded out to see my old username in your response to me, wonder why it shows that? (Edit: I’ve fixed that so thanks for the accidental heads up lol)
Anyway yeah I gotcha, appreciate the response as well and I totally agree that it’s a good mid but man it sketches me out so badly lol
@@ZephyrusBlue my old name pops up too how do I fix that lol
@@Dirtgut so on the mobile app just click on your picture, I accessed it via the “Library” button on the bottom right, and there should be a way to edit your profile settings right there at the top of your screen lol
I don't understand how people can complain about Jin's moves when TBS is literally showing you how to counter his pressure. I guess it's because people can't sidestep or fuzzy guard 😅
it's the same thing for other characters where there's technically a weakness but people eat it anyways . and countering it is a skill thing and also read. not like you can perfectly counter everyone and everything just cause you know it on paper.
Nono Jin is fair 🤣
stop teaching people how to fuck me up lol :D
I’d request lili next
And then you eat a hellsweep.
Well... time to drop that online win rate even more
Interesting.
Na…Nani!?
Honestly, if you call Jin dishonest then you have never ever really played Tekken, or you are the dishonest one 🤣
FACTS. Considering the Tekken community though, it's not surprising. People will clamor to busted characters and abuse as much cheese and combos (that they learned from someone else's UA-cam 😂)...
...but, really turn around and act like Jin players are something else. It's nothing but projection if you ask me. People salty cause they had to play with a clown level character just to get some W's.
Half the Tekken community got all this Anti-Jin energy as if every Jin player can just wreck folks with F4 and electrics (cause yeah every last one of us owns a $300 fight stick 😂).
These 100wpm input advanced quantum computer AI anti-stratagems are easier said that done. For example mistiming downjab vs 1,2,3 even slightly will result in you getting counterhit, knocked down, and guarantee a followup for a billion damage. Or as another example trying to fuzzy duck against df+1,4 WILL get you launched if mistimed even by just a smidgen. And all this stuff has to be done on reaction when he has other options, for example 1,d+3 from his jab.
tldr, yeah, Jin is unironically dishonest. Jin = fraud.
Thats the thing with Tekken, it basically operates by 2 rules
- another outcome is always possible
- whatever shit can go wrong always will
Zugzwang is pronounced (with english spelling) tsoogtsvahng. The Z in German is /ts/
Unfortunately it’s not Jin we need a bullshit guide for, it’s hwoarang. But every hwoarang player will cry that there isn’t bullshit
I main Jin, lemme show you my counters to these anti setup moves😂. Let’s ft3
I act in the name of all Jin players and our lord and savior Devilster when I dislike this video.
I've played this game for 150 hours and I understood about 30% of these words.
The most important term to understand here is "option select". From Infil's FG glossary:
A situation where performing the same inputs can lead to several different outcomes depending on how the characters interact. Often abbreviated as "OS".
In this video for example there's a lot of sidestep duck or backdash to cover multiple options.
The other term is "fuzzy guard", which is also an option select. Again from the glossary:
A technique where you try to change your block very precisely in order to cover multiple directions.
Links:
glossary.infil.net/?t=Option%20Select
glossary.infil.net/?t=Fuzzy%20Guard
While this is nice, realisticly no one is gonna be able to anticipate moves 100% of the time nor react to them properly either... Good video regardless.
Quality video but a bit too rapid fire, hard to follow along had to pause a fair bit to understand what was going on correctly
I'm a tekken god
Ah yes. Poking character who's at his weakest while poking. Perfect❤️
I think its best to describe him as all around
@@ldking5132 oh yea he's definitely all round lmao. But I feel he's a lot more poke-centred as compared to other "all-round" characters
Jim hasn’t been good since Tekken 3, that’s why devil Jin out classes him in every other Tekken game after.
TBS really into the youtube shorts meta right now, miss the old TBS when this kind of video is 24 minutes long
We still do long ass vids, there's just stuff in between now :)
Though yeah there will be a greater focus on longform guides again when T8 drops.
So much copium in the comments. Damn.
Side note: If I can beat you with a difficult character like jin, I can beat you with anyone else besides either akuma or yoshi, cope harder
what about Geese?
And people say Jin is broken ridiculous
He's definitely among the strongest in the cast. These aren't easy strategies imo as they require a lot of reads and downloading. only lower level Jin players limit their moveset and use flowcharts, from what i've seen, except for zen transitions which are everywhere.
Such a braind**d character, ff3 neutral on block, forces crouch on opponent(plus ait has follow ups)AND a low launcher which cannot be backdashed to wavedash unlike other characters, I can go on like that with other 20 moves. There are people that seriously think he is hard while he has everything, is not complex, you can choose whatever playstyle you want or need.
Some people think he is hard Just because of ewgf and f4 rawcombo. Thing is very strong without ewgf, and f4 stance cancel combo still Pretty good, f4 d2 is decent and 45dmg iirc.
Also is not "hard" to practice X hours in practice mode.
@@marcodavoglio2001 My dude...are you literally liking and replying to your own comments on burner accounts?
@@ThatBlastedSalami I checked with my Second accout that my comment wasn't visibile because of that censurated word I guess, I wrote that comment, came back to my First account which is this, wanted to add that, couldn't bother to change account again.
This is straight up misinformation. Ff3 does NOT force crouch.
He’s heard cuz of his lack of range and linear. And have to use his moves correctly. He doesn’t crush a lot of moves besides with zen really. Literally hwo and many other characters with strings are braindead u just get smoked
jin mains will be spamming 2 moves and 3 command throws and call this hardcore gaming
most people have average reaction speed and that cannot be changed, characters with 3 different command throws will always be the reason why you'll never be even remotely good at this game
Jin isn't cheap!everyone else is
Bro wtf, take this down. Us Jin mains have taken enough Ls already.
Jin is actually very one dimensional character. Most of the time is fishing for CH games with all his safe moves. Visually not cheesy but actually the most cheesy character.
Not the most cheesy, but definitely more than jin players think
Didn't realize he was actually speaking English at first
Glad this wasn't dumbed down