“Lover boy” Gives LIVE TV Interview While Holding 15-Yr-Old Girl Hostage for 100 Hours
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22 year old BOY?? Absolutely not! He was a 22 year old MAN who was a predator and stalking a teenage girl! He had 4 people hostage and they have the nerve to say "oh well he hasnt done anything BEFORE that." What?!
she wasnt even a teenager when they started dating
@@splatsunemikuneither of them were teens is the crazy part. not like he was even high school aged which would be bad enough. he was 20!! 🤢🤢🤢 you couldn’t pay me to be around a 12 year old that isn’t my family member
The US News dose the same thing depending on the narrative they want to push. Nobody just Saya facts
12 isn't a teenager, it's a tween. Which is even worse
u mean 20 @@smithamy1982
This is the medias fault. How dare these so called journalists antagonize and infantalize the kidnapper. Those poor girls did not deserve this.
Ok
Yeah, they have the blood of an innocent CHILD on their hands. The child in this situation wasn't the hostage taker. Yet again society shows women and girls matter little to them
That Sônia Abraão host is like the brazillian version of what a trump supporter host would be. She hates women, she’s very narcissistic, I think she’s bitter about other women in general and at that time we didn’t know it, but now we do. She hates women, black people, she’s conservative, it’s not accepting of different cultures, she also hates vulnerable women, she’s always victim blaming everyone. Always thinks people are “cry babies”. And she covers everyone’s deaths on that TV channel. I think she knew what she was doing! She’s a psycho.
How were they going to keep the man who has a weapon and the means of killing ppl to stay calm???
@tystheticchannel3733 they didn't want to keep him calm, they wanted views and exclusive coverage.
The fact that they had more empathy for a 22 year old predator than a 12 year old little girl is diabolical. They really didn’t care about that little girl. This is crazy. They don’t need their jobs reporters or authorities. This makes me sick
He planned on killing her from the beginning. It’s so crazy that they portrayed him as a ‘lover boy’ because he’s a 22 year old MAN dating, stalking and kidnapping a 12 year old LITTLE GIRL. It’s disgusting
Misogyny is EVERYWHERE. In my country 2 women were killed in the middle of the day for rejecting men! And men would defend them saying they were just in love and we shouldn't ruin their lives! Like our lives means absolutely nothing!
Yup. Happens everywhere. Not uncommon in America, either. Women aren't safe from men anywhere in the world which is absolutely insane.
@@brenna5957yup. 2 twin 18 year old girls were stabbed and killed in New York like a month ago for rejecting a man that came up to them
Now I get why lesbians are lesbians 💀
they love to throw out the 'women are too emotional' card as an insult but somehow it can be used to excuse men's behaviour? smh the double standards are insane
What country? Wanna add it to the list of places to never visit.
She never gave into him, she protected her friend, and she went on to save five more lives and she is an incredible hero. Every person who failed her will never be half the person she was at just 15 and I’m glad I now know of her.
You said it perfectly.
Well said.
Rest in peace Eloa. 🕊️🙏❤️🌈
She was failed at 12 as well when her damn idiot brother introduced her to a 12 year old
she was a strong angel and will continue to be in the other side.
🖤
As a 20 year old I’m literally disgusted to think that someone my age would date a 12 year old
@@user-nz6bk7lf8ui doubt it is. but even if it’s “normal” that doesn’t mean it’s right or okay
the age difference would only be appropriate if the youngest one in the relationship was mid-late 20s
@@davidhamilton1686 Even mid-twenties isn't okay. A 15 year old middle schooler and a 20 year old collage student is so messed up
@pxachholic They said the youngest was 20 or so. They are saying the age gap of 8 years wouldn't be as bad with a 28 and 20 year old. Still doesn't sit right with me personally but it is better than 12 and 20.
@@Kore-ui1fo Oh yeah you are right! I totally misread that😭
The RAGE I feel hearing how EVERYONE (parents, journalists, negotiators, the media, the community) turned this incident into a SPECTACLE and paid nothing but DUST to these brave & vulnerable girls. Bro, I'm so fkn tired.
Tired? You are addicted.
You will come back for more when the new video hits.
Enjoy your self inflicted mental illness.
Same😢
It can't get any more disappointing than this
letting your child date a pedophile is CRAZY. I think the parents are the biggest people to blame in this case.
its the village. the parents, the media, the police, all to blame.
if only ONE of those three could have acted in the way the are supposed to, she wouldn't have been in this situation
You would be appalled at how common this is....
It doesn’t matter if they’re being supervised, it’s genuinely weird for a 12 year old to be dating a 20 year old, I really doubt they have anything in common. The parents shouldn’t have let her date him, period.
That was the most wild part to me. Ok, yeah 12 year olds want what they want and will rebel if you tell them no, but as the adults and parents, it's your job to put your foot down and monitor where your child is going and who they interact with. I'm guessing it might also be possible that Brazil has little to no protection for underage people dating adults, like no legal avenue parents could turn to to get the creep away from her.
If it were in the US, I believe the parents would've been able to get a Restraining Order against him for their daughter. But I don't know about Brazil.
Honestly, that is a wild part for me. I don’t care if my daughter is rebellious or hates me, but I rather have her hate me than abused or dead because I wasn’t brave enough to stop my teenage daughter from seeing an adult man.
I agree. This story pissed me off on so many levels. The parents irresponsibility really upset me. I guess cause I’m a parent and there is nothing that would have stopped me from stopping an adult dating my child. 😢 😠
@@nataliesue2485they could do it in Brazil too, but men having relationships with young girls is a cultural thing that we are fighting against. If it happened now people would have been enraged and would acknowledge that he was a pedo. At that time it was frowned upon, but people wouldn’t say anything about it. Just as an example, my great grandmother married at 12. My great grandfather was an adult when they married.
No value of women or girls in this case. He was a MAN Not A boy!!! He was an abusive man who was abusing a child. He should have been in prison long before all of this. It all makes me sick.
A “man” is too kind, he’s a thing. Subhuman.
@@ccsanri No, don't go there. You need to accept a human can do that. Dehumanizing only excuses him for his actions.
@@GomesBrownno he lacks the basic things that makes someone human, he might physically be a human but he’s a monster
Now he's in probation, this is Brazil, they only care about corruption and money...
"He could do no wrong" - honestly this is insane that they value the guys feelings more then her actual life
a violent grown man's life being deemed more important than a young teenage girl's is absolutely disgusting and unfortunately not surprising
that's not an ex, that's a predator and a stalker. he's an adult man "chasing" a tween for 4 years. there should be no doubt about this.
So misogynist that the police prioritized "not ruining a young mans life" -an adult man over the safety of two minor girls. That and blaming the victims for not keeping the scene of their kidnapping clean.
Reminds me how our justice system slaps men on the wrist for crimes against women and children.
well said. it`s sickening. Will they ever rise above this distorted twisted way of thinking? i have nothing but disgust for them
It's like I'm being beaten everyday, have a gun to my head but sure let me go ahead and do domestic chores. Let me make my captor comfortable in a nice clean space so he has more clarity to keep beating me. WTF?
Russia, Pakistan, and many more countries have determined hitting your wife is ok. I am saddened by knowing so many women could be better off if their government were to start caring about their lives.
i wouldnt wanna raise my kids in a country with a fvcked up justice system like that
our future will never get better if they continue to be like this against women and children
Why in the WORLD are the ppl who reported on this case acting like she was a grown woman? She was FIFTEEN and he was a grown man. It makes me sick that he was portrayed as “the lover boy.”
You see that often in the news. I see it all the time.
When the 15 year old boy stabbed a 14 years old girl a few yrs ago they kept referring her as a “woman” and him as a “boy”
It’s very common if you have the ear and eyes to observe how they minimize the perps actions and blame victims it’s all too comon. This is just one example
It in Brazil.
I think age of consent is low there.
@@Rexorazordoesn’t matter. She was 12-15 years old when she ended up with that 22 year old MAN. A 12-15 year old girl, is a CHILD.
@@BaldCoryxKenshinfan Yeah yeah yeah, if it happened to a 20+ year old woman you would give the same response.
@@Rexorazor I don’t get your point ???? Can you clarify what you mean?
I can’t believe they had that level of sympathy for a creep who groomed a 12 year old, stalked, and then held her hostage. Misogyny has people doing the wildest mental gymnastics.
RIP Éloa 🕊️
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The sister blaming women for her sicko brother should tell us a lot about this family. If she's not worth it, then her brother will move on in life. It is crazy how some men can't accept rejection and then choose violence. Pathetic .
So, he takes hostages, beats one up, keeps them for 100hours, has a gun and admits to wanting to kill the hostages and yet people still sympathize with him and the police don't think through how to save said hostages but also SEND one in AGAIN!!
This such a devastating case. RIP Eloa
Pedophilia is a norm in Brazil. The police likely emphasised because they sleep with children too.
this is the power of media. even police themselves bamboozled by media, so they can't do shit about media and decides to rush and do the worse way to end the situation. if you control the media you control the nation. I mean IMHO police had little to no option since he had the media on his side. the longer it goes more powerful he become.
😢😢😢truly insane
"he's a 22 old lover boy so we couldn't shoot him..."
Yeahh right a lover boy! that held 4 people HOSTAGE! And KILLED one!
It sometimes feels like they care more about the perpetrator than the victims😒
Always, smh. They identify with perpetrators for simply being the same gender as them, it seems, instead of with the innocent person. Wild how they seem to put themselves in the shoes of the criminal and relate.
How do you even look at this situation and think " oh there star-crossed lovers he's just a lover boy, we cant hurt him, he's just in love!. WHAT?! He's not in love he said multiple times that he doesn't want to get back together and wants to kill her. Im so mad at the journalist. And think that they should have been arrested. they all were so heartless, and made the situation worse by putting that image of "lover boy" on peoples minds.
welcome to the disgusting brazilian politics and police... its horrible to see that justice isn't served right where you live.
More like: his name is Lindenberg so we think he's a Jew.
Jews can get away with genocide too.
@@PurpleDUCKY24ببا
Every time I watch her videos I get so angry at how PREVENTABLE all these situations/accidents are. The incompetence of people the public is supposed to TRUST is astounding.
The fact that he is OUT in the world working etc ?! These laws in other countries drive me nuts . If this was my daughter , considering how lax the laws are…I’d have no problem finding a nice shed somewhere to take Lindi to…and then for 100 hours do what he did to Aloa ..probably worse . And then take the light sentence they would give me for being a “mourning parent” who just “lost it “ knowing my child’s k*ller was allowed to see sunlight & his family while serving his “sentence” . This whole case disgusts me to the core .
ive been waiting to see a comment like this for YEARS. thank you!!!
GIRL, since this is the third video you've made about Brazilian cases, I HIGHLY recommend that you research the case of Wallace Souza. This man lost his brother to drugs and made his life's objective to fight crime, he entered politics, earned the respect of everyone in the city and created the biggest crime-fighting television program; That was until they discovered that the man was actually involved in several organized crimes that involved all types of atrocities and all to achieve high ratings on television. It's disturbing and has a thousand plot twists. There's a documentary about this case on netflix called "bandidos na tv"
🤮🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮 nojo
Omg that’s crazyyy, she should definitely cover it
tem um filme americano cuja historia que é basicamente essa
this sounds insane!! i will definitely do my reasearch on my own time if she doesnt cover this
In English the documentary is called Killer Ratings
This case is crazy i feel bad for the victim, her blood is in everyone's hands from the journalists to the police even her parents who should've protected her from that predator
Está mesmo e é tão bizarro que você percebe que foi criado um circo em volta desse caso era só isso que passava nas notícias eu não lembro exatamente da época mas eu sei o sentimento em relação a isso o sentimento de que simplesmente para aquelas pessoas aquelas garotas eram notícias e só
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The girls who celebrated and the media who exploited are at fault in a way as well. I can't believe the other girls parents let her go back in. I would let a city die to protect my child. Sorry about your old friend sweetheart.
I agree, everyone is to be blamed for it!
exactly
i'm honestly surprised and disgusted that the police shot him with rubber bullets while he shot the girls with ACTUAL ones, they should be ashamed. what they did is absolutely outrageous.
Eloa was so brave. She has integrity and self worth that many adults don’t have and she was only 15. I’m glad she didn’t give in to any of his terms. If he would have killed her anyways, at least she didn’t allow him to have any satisfaction in getting what he wanted from her.
She was also so lucky to have a brave and wonderful best friend.
it makes me cry knowing that she never kissed him once because it shows that she was incredibly brave. He HATED that about her- he was so envious! An evil creature who snuffed an amazing source of light from this world. he prayed on her because he wanted that light for himself, and when he couldnt have it he destroyed it. She was amazing and I am so angry that she cant be here anymore while this disgusting pedophile still gets to breathe and go to work every day. The world is a bit darker without her.
Eloa knowing her hostage was being treated like a circus by everyone involved up until her death makes me so sick…
For real. 😔
I didn't think about it, omg, so sickening):
Yeah about 15 minutes into this video I thought "If Eloa survives she will probably be traumatized most by how the world infantilized and sensationalized her abuser during her darkest hours. She may never trust people again". Sadly she was murdered and never even got the chance to work through this trauma.
As a journalist myself, I'm completely appalled by the fact those journalists called into an active hostage situation. theres about a million ethical problems with that, not to mention safety questions. wow.
The sensationalist media was the reason why things turned south here. It was a delicate situation and they basically added gasoline to the fire
Sonia Abrão is the shithead that made this happens. Other Chanels were there, Reporting the case, but this shit woman made into a live broadcast. She never once apologised for what she was done to Eloa. Lindenberg only knew what police forces planned to do because this shitty Chanel broadcast and he was watching.
Poor Eloa. People calling Lindenberg a lovesick boy. No he was a power hungry, obsessed, predator. She told him no. He couldn't take it so he stalked her and he tortured her for hours. The mindset of "if I can't have her no one can" is NOT LOVE! Her blood is on all those journalists hands. Them blocking the only line of communication with actual negotiators and pushing him further into his narcissistic behavior. Also the police not even being able to break in properly. Like you didn't think that maybe he barricaded the door and to use other entrances like the windows. They did so much to protect him instead of protecting Eloa...the actual victim. So much of this makes my blood boil. They messed up so badly and she lost her life because of it.
Everyone in her life failed Eloa, except Nayara... Eloa is a hero and lives on in the people she saved after everything she went through.
RIP 🕊 🌸
I'll probably make 10 more comments, but whatever. THE POLICE CONVINCED THE GIRL TO GO BACK THERE??? AND INVOLVED THE BROTHER IN TOO???! They dropped the ball on this all the way down to hell.
Even I could tell from the start that he'd bring her back in.
Unfortunately yes. This was such a messed up police intervention that now it is studied in new hostage situations in Brazil as a kind of lesson of not what to do, so, at least, today we know exactly that the errors in this case shouldn't be the pattern.
So an adult that groomed a child stalked her and took her hostage and the people made a show out of it, like some sick dating show? Day after day I lose the little hope in humanity I have left.
The fact that the press and public actually fed into the psychotic thought of them having a happy love ending is sick. They aided in that poor girl’s death.
it always a "good boy" whose life is way more treasured. it always "just girls, just daughters" whose lives never matters.
im utterly in shock how strong Eloà was she NEVER gave into his demands and if she did. it was only to spare her friends. poor thing she truly was an angel .rest in peace
the fact she never runs out of cases is a sign of the times
It’s not rlly the sign of times since this was 10+ yrs ago but I get what u mean
8 billion humans make for a LOT of criminal cases…
The fact that she covers the whole world helps :)
Not really tho’…
u sure?@@IHNIFAN
Rest in peace, Eloá. Everyone failed you, and yet you gave up your life standing your ground. The rest of us can only aspire to have such strong convictions and courage. What you left behind brought life to many people. You no longer have to live tormented by that man.
The parents should not have allowed this relationship at the first place. She was 12 and he was 20, what was wrong with the parents?!?!?
they are American parents that's why..
@@Dinosaarrno they’re brazilian???? did you watch the video lol
unfortunately brazil has a history where is common to normalize these kind of relationships, there is a lot of more discussions about how it is wrong nowadays.
In what universe does a parent allow a 20-year-old to date their little girl?? The parents definitely had options.
Unfortunately in many MANY countries young girls dating older men is normalized
A friend of my sister at 16 dated a 30 year old last year.. really surprising
@@kenjako lol let's not act like this doesn't happen in the united states either. stop acting like this is a foreign issue. shows how ignorant you are.
@@hamilcross they didnt say it wasnt happening in the usa too did they? but such age disparities at these young ages are anything but normalized in the usa. there are great cross cultural differences which can be attributed in particular to the acceptance in each society
@@kenjako back when this happened it was "normal" for younger girls date older guys, (it was not ok, but people usually would let it pass) but now a days, adults dating minors in Brazil is outrageous, and now there is a law here that a minor can only date when they complete 14 years old with the parents permission, and before that age it's considered r@pe and everyone involved would legally respond for it, but unfortunately not everyone follows the law.
As a Brazilian, I can tell this case is on every single one of our minds to this day. Such a sad ending to a situation that could have had a drastically different ending.
Maybe citing a so serious true came case in Brazil referencing "2 girls one cup" (because it was a Brazilian creation) isn't right. But the way Brazilians are on the internet they can't complain so I'll see it as karma.
@@JohnnyLynnLee Are you nuts, or just evil? You don't know nothing about Brazil 1ncel !
Foi o caso que me introduziu pra esse mundo de assistir true crime
@@sigian Dude, it`s an video in English, with audiences form all around the world. If you watched the video you can speak English. It`s better fo us to speak English so all nationalities here can be included in the conversation.
Or you can just translate it unless you aren't updated on your app. They literally didn't say anything awful. @@JohnnyLynnLee
Everyone failed that girl. For letting the dating happen, the neglect of taking the situation seriously. every. One. I’m glad her friends made it out of there under the circumstances. Alola sounded like a very strong individual who didn’t give in. I hope her family and friends find peace.
everyone failed her except for her brave and loving female best friend
The fact that Eloa NEVER gave in to this monster, and her amazing friend who has said she would do it all again. They are way more better people than the authorities ever were!
I blame the Police, the media, and everyone else that were meant to de-escalate the situation, but only made it worse! But, Lindenburgh is the one who should take the most blame - for taking these kids ds hostage in the first place.
Rest in peace Eloa. 🕊️🙏❤️🌈
this is actually disgusting how people get worse worse each time i listen to true crime and how humans can be so evil.
Infact it was always the same much more barbaric in the past
Honestly probably worse in the past in a lot of ways. Humans have always excelled at one thing above all else... And it ain't peace...
Lindenberg isa Jew name.
Makes a lot sense now.
@@Rexorazor what the hell
@@cheycheyfriend247 He kept getting away with it because he's a "Chosen One".
this is literally one of the most infamous cases here in Brazil. we do blame the media for this tragedy as they were giving the guy everything he wanted which was visibility
Tantas coisas poderiam ser feitas nesse caso e eles escolherem as piores opções na época
@@Bealinha eu fico impressionado como a Sônia Abraão dorme tranquila toda noite, e ainda continua tendo seu programa de TV depois desse caso!
@@lucaskoy Nem me lembre dessa aí
Não apenas a midia, que sim foi péssima. Mas a polícia, polícia nojenta que escolheu proteger um homem abusador e com isso pós em risco duas adolescentes e sacrificou uma delas. A polícia ainda é mais culpada nessa história, embora polícia e mídia estejam pau a pau.
@@lucaskoywhat a stupid selfish woman for interfering with the process. Brazil is a joke of a country.
"Shes Not Worth It"... She's an innocent CHILD! His sister is absolutely disgusting for saying that! He was obviously enabled by his family! Anyone who was okay with their relationship should be arrested! Children can NOT comprehend adult situations or relationships.
You are hands down one of the best true crime channels! The way you described the psychology behind hostage negotiators and the state of mind the hostages would be in due to adrenaline in so much detail. You seriously are so talented!
The way I opened UA-cam to listen to an old episode and ended up seeing a new one👏🏾👏🏾
Literally
Same here
I was watching the video from miss mango butt, when i see the rotten mango upload!!!! I love her omg, my anxiety goes away instantly
@@MajaMVukic omg was it the verity one? Cause same
Same squared lols 😆
100 hours is absolutely INSANE.
LITERALLY
FRR
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IKR
Imagine being a kid seeing this on the tv for days.... traumatic (personal experience)
I am curious as to why him being a pedophile and dating a 12 year old was so brushed off in the case? Why didn’t anyone call the police and how did her parents simply accept them dating?
This deplorable world never deserved this girl. I am sick to my stomach hearing this. If she‘s still there somewhere beyond our world, I just hope that she gets whatever she wants or wanted. And that she can find peace.
Eloá wouldn’t have died if the media didn’t get so involved in the case! so heartbreaking 💔 she would’ve been an amazing woman!
Ikr it’s so fuvking sad ..💔
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It sounds insane to me that the governor gave a direct ordered to protect the killer as if he didn’t try to shoot into the crowd. He made the intention to kill the poor girl from the beginning. This is a clear case of femicide from the start. Lindenberg being described as a poor love struck “boy” angered me so much and then that deputy talking about the girls not being concerned and cleaning the dirty house as if they weren’t shot at and killed. Grown 22 year old men can make the mistake of killing their minor gf for the sake of “love” but god forbid that hostage victims didn’t clean the house they’re being forcibly held in. Women and girls lives hold little value at mercy of men’s hurt feelings. I hope that poor girl is living a more peaceful life above now.
100% they don't value women
Agree completely
this gave me flashbacks from the man I married.. I was 15, sophomore year of high school. When I started dating a 19 year old .. I was 16 when I got married to him and he was 20 by then.. he wanted to get married on my birthday but he forgot something and I was so relieved ; but later that night he told me we would do it tomorrow then.. he had already made me lose all my friends, I couldn’t go to the bathroom alone, I couldn’t shower alone, and since he wasn’t in school anymore , he never wanted me to use my phone without him.. he started hitting me in my sleep first and started the day we got married.. it lasted 48 days and I’m so thankful that I got out of that
i think you would be amazing at sharing the story of Hisashi Ouchi. he bravely survived over 80 days of nuclear poisoning, and i don’t see people talking about him very much. I think you could really shed light on his story
‘A young boy who loves a girl’ that’s a grown ass man
The police handled the situation so badly, may she rest in peace 🙏🏾🕊️
For real.
The sister of that 22 year old murderer was sick in the head for saying the things that she said, the police absolutely were atrocious and so were the reporters who only seen the hostage situation as a way to get extra publicity points.. everyone treating the murderer as a sweet lover boy who could do no wrong in any situation.. Eloa’s parents for allowing their daughter to date a 22 year old reckless maniac of a man.. oh I could go on but essentially everyone failed that poor girl. Rest in Peace, sweet angel
@@BaldCoryxKenshinfan the sister is just foul, going to hell in a handbasket.
Those two girls were remarkably brave
Your enthusiastic approach to talk about other artists is goated. I have been here since the before time. I have to say that I believe you deserve everything for your work and persistence. You have given others so much more grace, love, and energy... truly a gem.
The civilians that stood outside and cheered, what exactly were they cheering for? What was so amusing and entertaining about the situation at hand? Did they not realise the gravity of what was happening or were they that desensitised about the lives of the girls?
Respect to Eloa for standing her ground to the end. I hope she's resting peacefully now
Welcome to Brazil. Largely uneducated people with no decorum.
It really is sickening
It is so disgusting. I can't even imagine how the girls felt hearing cheers outside...
They acted like it was a game and not real life hostage teen
In some places the violence is just a regular occurrence for people. I believe people "cheering" just wanted the attention. They wanted to be on TV and had not thought of a bad outcome. In Brazil, or I should say in Rio, the rare cases of hostage negotiations, the police will just shoot the hostage takers and be done with it. But I can't speak for the rest of the country
that brazilian worker you got is WORKING 😂😂😂😂 you been posting all the BIG old news from brazil. and I love it 👏🏻👏🏻. I remember when this went down and the whole country was in SHOCK. such an amazing young girl lost her life when the whole situation could 100% be prevented
an idea: put the videos in different playlists by country name
Brazil
I remember that too, so sad and preventable.
I like the playlist idea but I don’t think she’d do that because as she mentioned before she doesn’t want any hate to happen towards a country or people from the country
@@greasysmoothhate will come regardless tbh, she has a disclaimer every video that this isn’t an excuse to hate on the country because we (Americans) have bad stuff happening here as well
@@santospaul8103 I agree but “we” 😅 I’m not American 😅😅
The fact that they let that girl go back on his demand is insane! With no help nearby and he was just able to snatch her again.
My husband is a hostage negotiator and written and defended his thesis on best practices of negotiation. So many things are wrong here. There have been times they can block signals so no one can call in our out and the negotiators provide the phones. But there have been many many times that the media has gotten involved and people died. One amazing fact is when a negotiator gets a hostage taker on the phone, more than 85% of the time, EVERYONE comes out alive. I’m glad u are covering this story in so much depth, bc it should be ran like a very well oiled machine. I’ve met negotiators all over the world, and will be at a conference overseas next month. I can’t wait to ask about this. Thanks for sharing!!!
The media in this case is about as crazy as the 20 year old child sex predator holding his 12 year old ex girlfriend hostage.
I've heard of this case.. The press just constantly leaking all the police conversation and shipping that girl with the 20 year old man is disgusting. The police sending her friend back to her hostage is peak incompetency
This episode is so good, I keep rewinding to absorb all the lessons you’ve imparted. Thanks for the knowledge.
Whenever you post a brazilian case I pray it's the "Woman from the Abandoned House" ("A mulher da Casa Abandonada"). It's one of the most bizarre cases I've ever heard, I wish I was kidding!
I can’t belive how evil humans can be , thank you for covering this case.
she has a podcast on spotify. this ep was already released@@xfreja
@@xfrejaI’ve already watched a podcast on this :))
@@xfrejashe uploads these early on her podcast in spotify
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THE AGE GAP IS REALLY CRAZY, And the fact that a 20 year old was dating a 12 year old and fought with her or just the thought is disgusting.
(Edit): THANK YOU ALL GOR 500 LIKES♡♡
fr, he is almost DOUBLE her age
Yeah, these borderline pedophilic age gaps in relationships are not hard to find here in Brazil. It doesn't help that the age of consent here is fourteen. It's really sad.
I wouldn't even call that an age gap relationship, I'd just call it a predatory pedophile manipulating a child. I really don't think a 12 year old can consent to being in a relationship with a man.
Yeah! She was a minor! 😡
@@samiracosta962as an American, I get different cultural perspectives but the age gap 12 and 20, and the parents semi-agreeing to the union is sickening 🤮.
Aside from everything it just shows again that perpetrators are always better protected than victimes and its just so sickening.
Why do we care for lives of criminals but not the lives of the victimes?
I love this channel. Your perceptions and information is second to none. Binge listening.
"Who's gonna get fired" should be the LAST thing on their minds during that time... That's terrifying. I totally understand the hostage negotiators doing what THEY need to do to get them freed. But the reporters and police or whomever??!!!!! Absolutely sickening to hear. They're just fueling the psychotic fire.
Literally. Who tf cares about getting fired when the goal is to save a life? If I got fired for making a call that saves a life, I'd never ever regret that decision. I'd do it a million times, in every job I ever have if I had to.
Damn. The way I didn't recognize them hugging but recognize Eloá screaming in the window is crazy. This story scarred me as a kid, I think I was 8 when it happened, it was absolutely insane
Girl I be been listening to you for a while, an you still give me the shock factor everytime. I love you videos so much they are put together so well and Informational.
My heart is shattered for the poor girl it's absolutely horrendous and inhumane what she went through during those excruciating 100 hours while everyone else did what absolutely nothing !!!
This case hurts so badly. The media killed her. Disgusting media.
i find it so concerning that the parents couldn’t find any other ways to stop them from dating?? and even if she wont listen who cares just make stricter rules or even better call the police because a pedophile is preying on your 12 year old child who isn’t even in high school yet
Brazil is one of the worst countries in the world for child sexual exploitation. And corruption. The police would not have done ANYTHING (like usual)
Age of consent in Brazil is 14. He was going to get her either way because it’s a norm in Brazil for old men to date children.
@@user-yd4nk4lm6s that's so messed up 😢 I wonder how many scars are on these children, whether physical or emotional.
@@user-yd4nk4lm6s but she was 12...
@@user-yd4nk4lm6sbut 12 isn’t 14 so how was he going to get her anyways?
As someone with a daughter that is getting ready to turn 11,hell f*cking NO!! NEVER would a 20 year old MAN, have ANYTHING to do with my child 😤
My IQ has definitely increased after watching this. You both are so talented;I love the explanation process you both take to make someone feel like they are also in the conversation ❤
Hi, Brazilian here.
There's an amazing documetary called 'Quem Matou Eloá?' ('Who Killed Eloá?') about the media and its impact on the outcome of this case. You can find here on UA-cam with English subtitles. It's a series of gaffes and frustratingly spectacularized handling of a serious situation. Great watch! I believe it won multiple awards.
This case went downhill very quickly with the media 'coverage'. Sonia Abrão's LIVE interview with Lindenberg is a shameful part of Brazil's journalism history. It's been shown in many Journalism schools (mine included) as an example of how NOT to handle and coverage an ongoing crime (or any kind of delicate situation). Everything in this case is very telling regarding how the media can turn a sour situation into a tragedy, if the media's involvement is not done carefully. Not to comment the 'executive' choices authorities made, like sending Nayara back... Eloá's case makes me mad everytime I hear about it, just because things could've been different if people weren't making a spectacle out of it.
So the news was trying to "ship" the 15yr old hostage with the 22yr old ex who they knew was the one who had taken her hostage 😮🤢🤮🤮
This case was heartbreaking, everything from the media, the police writing the report at the end, the people cheering outside, the sentence and how it’s been executed. My heart breaks for the girls and what they had to endure.
i love how you're bringing more brazilian cases to the channel... thank you for that!
The saddest part is that she DIED because of the broadcaster telling the plan of the Police live in television....
(Srry if my english is bad
Your English is great bestie (outra brasileira aqui)
You're English is perfectly fine and you're absolutely right. Those poor kids didn't deserve that.
Seriously, how stupid is that
Your English is great!
he was 20 and was hitting on a 12 year old girl? he was allowed to prey on her for 3 years before taking her hostage? where were her parents to protect her from this child predator? where were the police?
I hate the way her parents treated this situations... I get it, they didnt want her to sneak around with him, but this man never shouldve been a part of this childs life. How tf did they let their child "date" this grown man and let him into their house??? If I had a 12 yo girl and a 20 year old man wanted to "date" her (GROOM AND PREY ON) I would report him to the police and if that wouldnt help Id find a way for someone to break both of his legs and keep him away. This poor child had idiots for parents my god.. So tragic.
I'll be honest with you I'm from Brazil and unfortunately age gaps this big are kinda accepted here. Don't get me wrong, everyone would call him a pedo but as long as the families are okay w that, that's how shit rolls in Brazil. An old friend of mine was 18 and started dating a 14 year old, and another friend was 26 and started dating a 17 year old, my other friends would only make jokes about him liking underage girls and when I asked the adult's around me for their opinion they said it depends on the person's maturity. That's Brazil for you.
@@yuhdsr8403 Why are you friends with pedophiles..
Your channel is my new addiction! ❤ The perfectly (correct) detailed way you explain these tragic cases, is unlike ANY other channels! Your husband, listening to your podcast. Being involved. Adding his input. You are the perfect combination. Both of your voices are so soothing and so full of emotion. Love your channel. Please keep them coming
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This was such an interesting watch! And you’re literally stunning as always!! ❤
never been frustrated for almost 2 hrs straight in my entire life.
I couldn’t watch it in one sitting. I would break for days coz wow
I don’t care about age of consent in different places or how common age gaps between teens and adults are to find in different countries, 12 & 20 is insane and this poor girl didn’t even get to experience even close to a full life because a nasty, fully grown man decided she isn’t allowed to. I have seen Brazilians online, including in this comment section, saying those age gaps unfortunately aren’t uncommon. I hope that changes.
We have a famous rapper (MC poze) in Brazil that got a 13y girl pregnant (he was 24btw) and many MANY people attack you if you point out how wrong it is. I myself got attack on Twitter bc I called him a p3do and people were defending him saying that she was already"grown" enough to consent and that their relationship was okay bc he married her, till this day people see them as a "couple goals". Misogyny and grooming young girls is EXTREMELY normalized in Brazil.
@kenjako That is so terrifying, they are all enablers of CA. Thank you for calling it out.
Sadly I am familiar with it living in Italy too. Our age of consent is low and you can see 20yo and older men ""dating"" 14yo girls and their families do nothing.
Legality ≠ morality
I believe the attitudes are already changing and I'm hoping the laws would too. For all the world not specifically brazil.
Oh my gosh miss Stephanie! Over a million views in less than a week lately? You and hubby are crushing it!🎉So happy for you both! 💛 You are 1 of 3 all time favorites for true crime! By far #1 at being non-biased and fact checking. Shout out to all the amazing researchers!🎉🎉❤
Again, thanks for talking about Brazilian cases, and always so respectful, love from Brasil ❤
as a brazilian i love seeing so many stories that happened in my country being told worldwide. there are so many horrible and barbaric stories that happened in brazil and so many go unsolved and unresolved its actually sad. the police, imo, is so not prepared to deal with so much of what goes on and its such a scary thought. i love ur channel sm and im rly glad u and ur team do such an amazing job at telling the world stories like these! thank u
This is tragic example on how the language we use can affect situations, outcomes and individuals. The media made this man, A GROWN MAN that is a predator, a stalker and a violent hostage taker into a poor boy that got hurt in love and he got more sympathy and attention than the victim. My blood is boiling as I listen.
Omg I love you subscribed to all your pages and have to no choice but to watch you as soon as you drop a video
Girl I love that you're translation these crazy stories from Brazil ❤
Great job on the research!! This is one of Brazil's biggest shames and deepest sadness
The more I watch Steph, the more I realise how cruel & depressing this world is
C'est ça le risque qu'on prend quand on regarde des émissions sur le crime trop longtemps
On perd foi en l'humanité.
Il faut prendre soin de l' esprit et du corps.
stg i see you everywhere
I feel like it always is this way and then now we know... so at least the mysteries are slowly less? Idk
I feel that if it's badly affecting you, Steph would agree that maybe you should stop watching so much of her content. There's also a lot of regular drama and stuff about movies that she does.
The other path could be turning anger into fuel for action. You can donate, volunteer, raise awareness.
You should totally do the case of Rui Pedro, he was a portuguese boy that disappeared in 1998 and hasn't been found until now, this case is super famous in Portugal and it is so misterious, there were even rumours that he was found on the Deep Web
... Sim
acho dificil ela arranjar material suficiente para cobrir esse caso... mas temos outros interessantes
Love how you've brought so many Brazilian cases lately! It's very interesting to listen to someone from another country speaking about this cases!
This was a crazy one, I’m glad I came back to finish and watch. Also at the end just now I noticed your top, my favourite of yours so far ♥️
i love the fact that stephanie is doing so many brazilian cases 🥹 they deserve so much more visibility! as a brazilian - and consequently as a latina also - i am really glad. we deserve to be heard and these cases deserve to be seen! eloá’s story is still largely talked about! we still mourn her to this day.
That poor LITTLE girl. This was a child, in the best years of her life. Where she was learning about makeup, movies stars, music, companionship, boys ! Was learning who she was and wanted to be in life. God forbid she didn’t want a 20 YO man trying to suck the life out of her before she could even learn to drive.
He stole so much from that family and future. Her poor friends. To have gone through that and make it out without her, I can only imagine the heartbreak.
I hope they all have been able to recover and heal inside and out. Aloha won’t be forgotten.
I hope neither is the bastard that stole her from us all, just in case he gets out before he dies. That way justice will continued to be served … even in the streets.
getting excited over your fav team jersey being shown, then going to get your merch (during a literal hostage/murder suicide situation is the most brasilian thing i have ever seen
i dont even think the brits could top that
as someone who dealt with a 26 y/o stalker who tried to kidnap me, break into my apt and threatened to kill my mom's secretary if she didn't tell him where I was (I was 14 at the time, I'm 22 now) I felt this case on a personal level. Luckily I managed to avoid being taken bc I was with my older sister at the time, we went to my mom and she took us to the police to make a report, he wasn't even in jail for 2 months before being released, and he was allowed to continue living in the same apt complex I did. This was while I was living in Brazil. That experience still affects me to this day sometimes (diagnosed with PSTD and DID bc of this traumatic experience)
he even bribed someone I considered aa friend to convince me to marry him once I turned 18. Said "friend" blamed me for him getting arrested. I never spoke to him since that day, I was so disgusted and felt so alone, because even my family had blamed me for what happened.
I really hope that you're better now and have all the support you deserve.
I'm so sorry you had to go through this may you experience peace