The Psychology of Internet Trolls
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The Psychology In Seattle Podcast.
Dr Kirk Honda talks with Humberto about the psychology of internet trolls.
Sept 19, 2016.
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I hate how people resort to free speech to justify trolling or rudeness. Nobody has to actually have to read you or listen to you. Especially if you're going to try and be hurtful on purpose.
Internet trolls are really sensitive about what you say, they stalk you, the spam your Facebook and troll you because their mad at what you say. They are annoying.
*they're
you dont like their pink spikey hair?
LittleImpaler yelp, trolls are mentally deranged and get kicks out of bullying others. They seek to control others because they lack control in their own lives. It's about power and monopolizing others
@Takeo nah, they just need a better life.
So happy you didn't give up. I recently came across you from watching 90 day. I would like to thank you for your work. I learn a lot.
I agree
Trolling to me is someone who will trample onto an individual with the intent of getting an emotional rise out of them. Just unwarranted, out of the blue with no clearcut goal of accomplishing anything constructive. They will take a tiny thing that they've picked up on about you and run like hell with it to take you down a path into emotional turmoil for their own satisfaction and enjoyment. They delight in "getting to you" so to speak. I think it makes them feel mentally superior. They truly get something positive from putting someone in a bad mental state.
For example, I was playing a game on my PlayStation one morning (Elder Scrolls Online to be exact), and my character that I have created has this really neat dark smokey shadow around his eyes. The character looks like me and essentially is my avatar, it's the game's extension of me. Well, it was probably 6:45 am or so when this other person in character comes up to me and initiates a public chat in the game done where everybody can see. He says "Why the f@$! are you wearing eye shadow? That's for women." I told him that I thought it looked neat. Here was my first mistake, cracking the door open by responding. Of course I was literally in the process of trying to wake up so most of my intelligent faculties had not yet turned on at this point. So this guy starts going even further with rediculous comments "LOL look at this guy! You look so stupid!" And he kept going on. I told him "Why are you harrassing people, it's not even 7 am yet." His response was "Not where I am! LOLOL" you get the idea. It wound up morphing into me allowing to climb into my mental health area and rain havok on me. I reported him to admin but as I sat there about to bawl my eyes out at 7 am before I had to go to work, I realized what I had done. I allowed myself to dance with the devil. I should've just ridden off to another zone but I stayed. I should never have allowed this troll to get the satisfaction of knowing that he got under my skin. Hell, I should never have given him the time of day and had I been more awake, I know I would've reacted differently.
There are some people who really prey upon others. We must remember what to do and know that we most likely never did anything to deserve it. Heck I didnt know this guy and I'll most likely never encounter him again. But let's maybe use the old fire safety saying of "Stop, drop, and roll." to get away and keep ourselves safe.
Pardon the long comment, I just wanted to help nail down these ideas surrounding the definition of what a troll does and who they are.
Dont understand dr. Why does your partner happily says he trolls? I think people who troll are sad, sad people.
To me, a troll is a lot like a bully in middle school. Theure deliberately trying to make you upset and try to counter their statements, i.e. feeding the troll. They want to get a rise out of you and make you respond. Just like a lot of bullies get off on the fact that you are emotionally affected by their behavior. They get off on your response to them, they feed on your feedback. Which is why a lot of people say to just not respond and not let it affect you. But, just like with a bully, this doesn't always work with trolls. If you don't do something they'll persistently harass you. Good thing about the internet is that blocking and reporting exists.
What if one takes it up as a challenge to remain calm and patient; this without getting angry and resentful; standing up boldly - speaking the truth; thus creating order out of chaos?
You probably won't ever read this but I really like the music on your podcasts. I know you're in a band so I was wondering if you made the music on here?
My daughters school teaches online safety and gives the children tools to deal with online bullies. I love her school, they're wonderful in keeping up with technology.
Perhaps we can revisit this topic? My impression is that our current circumstances have led to an increase in online anger. We've become feral. As an example, a Reddit page for people trying to negotiate unemployment insurance has a regular parade of trolls telling people they are stupid, and so on. The swath of folks seeking help range from those with humble jobs, to professionals and academics. There are kids and elders. The abject meanness and lack of empathy is so disturbing. Block, block block is about the only remedy.
As some people say, "Negative attention is still attention." Trolls up this by baiting and welcoming that negative attention.
Internet trolls are Narcissists. I just block them.
Now instead of hiding under bridges they hide in their mom's basement
What's trolling? Could you ask Humberto, maybe he knows?
He definitely knows... ;-)
I’m really glad you made this podcast. There’s so many things I would like to do to promote myself in my business and one of them is doing a UA-cam channel. But I definitely don’t have a thick skin and I just don’t follow through with doing self promotion because I’m afraid of being criticized. It’s helpful to know that even someone like you is affected by Internet trolls, but have found a way to cope with them and keep putting yourself out there. Thank you for the inspiration I hope someday I can find the courage to put myself out there more.
Yeah. UA-cam is filled with vile commenters. It's rough but you get used to it.
I think you are right, just to acknowledge that a professor can get affected by them and what it does to the body the physical effects.
I was surprised when I listened to Courtney love being interviewed back in 1993? by the really funny, animated, eccentric reporter from Vancouver b.c. with the long curly hair who always brings little odd sentimental gifts to the musicians... Anyways, "trolling" was specifically used by her to express how the general press' was trying to make her look like a monster because of the vanity Fair article becoming very popular. It seemed that that guy was the only guy who seemed to be really genuine about reporting but used a bizarre way to conduct the interviews back in the early 90's. She got along well with him as I recall.
Interesting!
And i'm gonna put it out there, that trolls should be ashamed of themselves. Really. People have taken their lives over some asshole trolls comments. My opinion of your partner has now changed for me. And i really enjoyed how he saw alot of stuff. I always looked forward to your podcasts. Why do you think trolling is ok? It hurts doctor.
I block trolls all the time. :)
Good for you. It's probably the only answer.
Trolls often change their profiles to regroup. They are mutants that keep coming back
LOL
Don't Belong Here, From Another Planet true. I’d know I’m one of them. It’s fun to troll.
only the thin skinned, spineless do that!
Triggered...
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I enjoy this podcast. I am not trolling you, Kirk, but just for listeners who don't feel like doing the research I just did, this is what happened with Lindy West. After a troll put up a fake tweet where he posed as her deceased father, Lindy wrote an article in a magazine about how much the troll had hurt her feelings and then the troll reached out to Lindy and apologized.
Your guess was right, the word doxing comes from docs, as in documents. It could be described etymologically as documenting somebody's identity, or publishing documents about somebody's identity
Can you do a podcast of the psychology of people who do hoax calls
Some males have image issues, think that is interesting.
this was a good idea
I enjoyed this video a lot. I am not being harassed by internet trolls but some internet friends of mine are. It's frustrating. I relate to the trolling of being amused. That's the extent I go to. I don't hide behind an alias or fake account. I don't hurt people. I just amuse myself and entertain myself. Similar to Ethan Klein of H3H3 productions channel. Or like the old school trolling on newbs you mentioned. Such as the infamous Ken M where he has his own subreddit on Reddit. Guys check out r/kenm on Reddit for a good laugh assuming you haven't read his troll account screen shots yet. Thanks for the awesome podcast! I'll be looking forward to watching more of your videos!
Thanks, Olivia. Interesting thoughts.
This is a strange form of amusement/entertainment... Some start a controvecy in the comments section. Then, after engaging others in serious debate, they abrubtly leave the scene - deleting all their own comments...
It’s crazy the energy people spend being mean.
I'm so glad you didn't give up the podcast back then! It would have been such a loss, it's such a great and helpful content
Humberto reminds me of a gamer I watch, called SwoleBenji. They both grew up poor and were somewhat raised by 4chan. Benji is a troll but he is also very open and sincere. He's hard to explain but he does say that he needs to troll to fulfill his slight sadism. I call it "slight" sadism because despite wanting to mentally screw with people for keks and lawlz, he has a high sense of morality that seems to be at least cognitively empathetic.
You guys are more intelligent than that, you repeat the word "Hostile" a lots and I appreciate the fact that one of you corrected the other If a person is genuinely reacting to what he or she may consider "Your bullshit" [keep in mind, your opinion is not a true gospel and you are acting like: How dare she, he disagree/gets pissed off?] then that's not a "troll". I think a "troll" is someone who never watches a video, has no reasons to comment but does it just for tha heck of it.
Agreed.
New Winds of winter chapter has came out.
Now would be a new time to do Character study of Euron Greyjoy.
Pretty please.
Working on it!
Awesome!
It's awful to her bird laughing like a spoiled rich man. Both of you were born into grand privelge. Please dot rub it in. Many come here to learn not play
Bookmarked to 30:00 to continue listening.
Trolling isn't being a violent asshole/bully online, it's pretending to be stupid about a certain subject to get someone to argue with a satirical strawman you've created, which frustrates the person arguing with you because they can't believe someone could be so monumentally stupid, meanwhile everyone else watching the conversation can see that you're trolling and it's totally going over the other person's head, which is humorous. It's not meant to be evil, just mildly frustrating
I've been going through your podcasts day by day and I'm really glad you didn't stop making them
they provide me a brief respite from my daily stresses
Im sure in your case the positive ones far outnumber the negative ones although I can see how the negative ones tend to stick to your more. Anyways sorry that happened to you and I just wanted to let you know Humberto know that I appreciate both of your work.
I feel like half of my classmates were (offline) trolls. °:D Not the mean kind, but really annoying.
My boss told me to go to the hardware store and ask for a long weight.
So I did. After an hour of standing around, the hardware store guy said:
“Go back to the Internet, you troll.”
I believe it was he, not I, that was the troll in this instance.
Needless to say, I was fired.
You fellas are now ernie and bert! Let's get real! Much better!
brb, playing a game of Dark Tetris.
It takes one to know one!
god i just hate these guys! HAHA I kid I kid. i LOVE your podcast Dr. Honda! you too Humba 😆keep up the great work
Ha ha! Thanks!
I'm a troll myself against a very specific group of people, and hurting them makes me feel absolute pleasure, I'm as hurtful and humiliating as I can get, it really liberates my deepest revenge fantasies.
Aww the ending was adorable ☺️
Thanks, this helped. I feel like an entire large you tube channel that I watch is being trolled. It's probably by 3 fifteen - year-olds with a few different accounts but it's causing a lot of problems. I think if the group knew how to respond it would be fine, but it hasn't been going well. Is there a term for when someone stirs up a controversy on purpose? Like "Saying that you don't think that Totem Pole would look good in your living room is so disrespectful to Native American peoples!" Then apparently non-trollers but easy offended people are like, "That's right, that was disrespectful!" And then chaos ensues.
Wow. That sounds rough. Yeah, I learned long ago that these internet trolls are not interested in constructive debate. They're only interested in insulting people and/or getting a reaction. I suppose if I had the internet when I was 10, I probably would have gone through a troll phase myself. I just ignore those comments. I can usually tell when they're trying to troll me.
Thanks! I think that the channel itself is finally taking more aggressive action to delete comments and maybe block accounts. But I hate that they have to spend time doing that and dealing with that. As a watcher and comment-er our only weapons seem to be self control. I went to You Tube's Safety Page (that link comes up when a comment-er reports harassment and bullying) and I think it was more directed at teens, but it actually suggests to engage.
I think the term you were asking about here is "provocateur."
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Note there are those demanding others to refrain from making comments reflecting their religious/spiritual beliefs; with some threatening that they are going report others.
I was married to a therapist for 20 years and let me say that psychology is a never ending problamatic maze that doesn't normally lead to any lasting peace. Meditation on the other hand normally (among long time practitioners) leads to greater sense of humour a lighter self image a realization that you're not the noise in your head. These clean dry (be here now) kinds of insights are philosophical or (ontological to be precise) in nature. Just saying. Oh my trauma oh my story talk about narcissism. Ok some folks have big issues to resolve even Ekhart Tolle is via a different person dealing with psychology. But it's no end in it's self.
It is symptomatic of narsissistic exhibitionism and voyerism; which use to be considered disorders, before normalised.
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"he threatened me!"
"he threatened you?"
"well, he insulted me. he really didn't like me."
And now we see what this is all about.
Sounds familiar doesn't it?
I agree with Psychology Today's definition of trolls: Narcissists, psychopaths and sadists. Trolls are some truly difficult people. It is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them.
Maybe this is naive, but could some not be crying out for help?
This is the dumbest conversation ever!
Just kidding. 🤭😂
Deserves more views!
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trolling people is fun as hell what they going to do next send us internet trolls to therapy center
Such a lame defense of trolling, loser.
I’m a troll too And you’re right it’s so much fun especially when you get a reaction out of them. It’s so much fun.
@@RF-ht8tr no you're not