6 THINGS I LIKE - 2021 KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE S & R // KTM Rider's Review
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- These are the 6 things that impressed me on the new 2021 1290 Super Adventure linup. I had a chance to ride both the new R and the new S version recenlty. This year I switched to a 2020 1290 Super Adventure R after riding a 2018 S model for three years and almost 50.000 km so I am very familiar with the 1290 Super Adventure series from KTM. I also owned the BMW R 1200 GS for 2 years and have ridden the current 1250 GS on numerous occasions.
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Great review man!
Thank you 😊
Nice!
I've promoted You're channel on KTM SUPER ADVENTURE POLAND Facebook fan page... got good reviews, man! Keep it going! 👌👍
Thank you very much Tomek 😎👍
Excellent review and very nice bike specially in UAE one of my friends owned one
I loved to see your ride
Take care
Thank you very much 😎👍
Great info,thks.
Glad it’s helpful 😉
Hi MV, da musste ich doch mal zurück spulen und bei dem Bild deiner Aktuellen anhalte. Seeehr nice. 👍👍 Schwarz mit dezentem orange. Geilomat. Optisch der Hammer 💕🤙
Vielen Dank 😎👍
Sehr interessantes Video. Bin schon auf die Dinge gespannt, die Du nicht so magst. Ich denke, da sind einige Sachen dabei, die mir auch unangenehm aufgefallen sind. Konnte man ja schon in einigen Kommentaren und Deinen Antworten lesen. Übrigens: sehe gerade, dass Du Dich auf die 10.000 Abonennten zubewegst. Freut mich. Dann drücke ich mal die Daumen, dass die Hürde bald übersprungen wird. Bei dem Spitzen-Kontent auf Deinem Kanal hättest Du ein Vielfaches an Zuschauern verdient. Und zwar auch im Nicht-KTM-Fahrer-Bereich!
Vielen Dank für die netten Worte. Die 10k sind schon was besonderes für mich - hätte ich mir am Anfang nicht träumen lassen 😉 uns Du hast gut aufgepasst- es wird noch den Teil geben über die Dinge, die ich nicht mag. 😎👍
Thank you so much for your videos! I watched quite a lot of them (especially the riding ones) and you convinced me going with KTM as my first "adventure" bike is the right choice. I've been riding a Harley Davidson Road King for the past 8 years, doing roughly 100,000 KMs around Europe but both my wife and I wanted to try something more versatile and potentially more comfortable. so I got the SAS 2021 just 3 weeks ago and it already has now 8000km on it after a 2 week road trip from Romania to Spain :)
I really enjoyed the bike, definitely more fun than the BMW GS, engine wise, and similar ergonomics (suspension, riding modes, etc.) I also did use the adaptive cruise control quite a lot and I experienced the unexpected acceleration that you mentioned in your first clip about the new model. I eventually (think I) figured it out as being caused by turning on the left signal as if I wanted to overtake the car in front, at which time the bike would start to accelerate again at the set speed. I still didn't read the manual, which I should probably at this point :))
One thing that's annoying is the lack of available extras (engine guard, tank bag, bigger screen, etc.), but that will hopefully be fixed soon. The engine guard is a must for me as I want to get it into offroad, and without that I'm not taking any chances
Enjoy your rides and keep up the good work on your channel!
Thank you very much for the kind words 😉 congratulations to your new KTM - way to go with 8K in three weeks 👍👍 i think accessories were slow on the predecessor too but once they trickle in you have something to look forward to 😉
Very interesting that the radar assisted cruise control did something similar on yours too. I guess once you get to know your bike you will know what to look out for. Ride Safe 🤙
I ride Harleys and am considering getting the 1290 SAS. Interested in the comparison of the Road King 2up at freeway speeds, 80mph/130kph, regarding stability, passing large trucks, windy conditions. Also, would you buy the 1290 SA again?
I am still very happy with my 1st generation of SA 1290 (2016). Have it now for 2nd year and I can imagine I will have it for long time. In my opinion there is no reason to upgrade. And I did drive S and R 2020. Anyway very good review!
Thank you very much - KTM makes good bikes. The improvements are incremental with each new iteration which is a testament to that 😉
Agree the handling is much improved. One issue for me was top heavy feeling of my 2018 model compared to 2021. Personally I'd still replace steering damper with higher quality after market adjustable one. For example the softest setting on after market damper is still 20% stiffer than stock WP damper. Im 1.9m tall and found wind protection much improved also. Will be more involved process to remap engine as there are now 3 O2 sensors and big convertor in exhaust. Really hate the small flimsy turn signal switch. Always enjoy your interesting and measured reviews! All the best.
Thank you very much Martin. Good to know that wind protection for taller riders is improved too. Hard for me to judge at 1.80 m 😉 the small turn signal knob really bothered me too. There is a second part to this video coming out soon where I am addressing things I did not like - the switch is one of them 👍
I couldn't agree more. The initial feedback for me was that the previous model had more snap, however if you put the bike in Rallye mode with slip 5 is becoming a supermoto monster. Extremely playful. Lower slip mode for higher wheelies and higher slip for lower ones. Amazing control comes with this setting if you're looking at poping up some wheelies for a playful ride👍
I did not quite get to popping wheelies but I am sure that is what they had in mind when bringing this feature to the bike 😂🤙
Nice one mate, another great video. Keep them coming :) I'm not convinced yet to change my '19 SAS for the '21 model. Perhaps at the end of the finance. Also it is a bit annoying that all the afternarket staff from the old model doesn't fit the '21 model :( I've seen you thought about that too when buying your SAR.
Thank you very much. Yes I have 😉 also there will be second part to this video about the things I did not like 😎
@@MotoVibes may I assist you in that one? 😁
@@florinneacsu2573 you can absolutely give your views - I am always curious to hear other opinions 😉 The video is edited and should be online in 1-2 weeks
Excellent job, brother! Thank you for clearing up any doubt about the high speed stability issue on this new generation vs. prior iterations. That issue, along w the twitchy throttle, are my biggest gripes w my '17 1290SAS. I did the whole kit and caboodle with the Rottweiler parts, but that only partially helped w the fueling. I hope after doing more riding on the new SAS, you still feel that the fueling is not problematic on this new generation?
Thank you very much. I have to admit that fueling was not an issue for me - also I lack the experience with upgrades like the Rottweiler kit. Would love to try the Rottweiler kits on my bike but I would likely not pass emissions testing in Germany which mandatory every 2 years. With that said. The new SA has gotten smoother at lower RPMs which was noticeable during my off-road day with the R. Takes some getting used to as I also stalled the bike many times that day 😂
@@MotoVibes 😁 Ty for the reply, gr8tly appreciated. Keep on keeping on!
Good video again. I've a 2020 S model. Thinking of upgrading but...
A few things. ... Can you turn off wheelie control and keep traction control on.. or Do you need to buy Rally mode for that? And even then will it let you wheelie for a distance.
Also.. I remember you saying before thst you liked the character of the old engine. I'd hate to buy a new one and it feel too refined and not as mental as 2020 version. I havent test rode yet.
Lower height does appeal to me though.
Cheers .
Thank you very much. You can turn off traction control completely if you want to wheelie - just like on the 2020 version. Rallye mode will incremental setting of the traction control- highest setting of 9 will engage traction control very early before the front wheel comes up. Dial it down to less than 4 and the wheel will start to lift and still cut the power of rear wheel keeps spinning to fast - all that can be changed while you ride with + and - buttons on the left. Also- Rallye Mode will remember the last setting even after the bike was turned off.
Best thing is to take the new one for a ride to see if it’s worth it for you to upgrade.
It’s not all sunshine in my opinion- there will be a second part to this video with 6 things I did not like 😉
Thank you for the reliable review. I owned the pre ous model as well. In two months I did 7300km with the new one as owner. I can confirm:
The malfunction of distance control in more situations.
I cannot see the sense of less favorites items.
KTM should fix yesterday the issue with the seat. Is a crusial reason which I remain on that machine.
Better behavior on low speed with high gear in compare of previous model.
Better suspension.
The shortcut switch doesn't provide enough choises.
Thank you for your feedback too - I hope KTM will fix the issues -
Most of them should be easy fixes
@@MotoVibes indeed easy fixes and could be avoided. However I love this bike. I left behind the 4 cylinder with this sexy monster.
Φίλε μου καλησπέρα.. Θα μπορούσα να σε ρωτήσω σχετικά με την αξιοπιστία της μηχανής? Κινητήρας ηλεκτρονικά, γενικότερα... Ισχύει αυτό που λέμε στην Ελλάδα το κάθε Τρίτη μάστορα ή είναι τελείως λάθος? Μην με παρεξηγήσεις πληροφορίες ψάχνω γιατί ψήνομαι πολύ για αγορά και κανένας στα reviews δεν μιλάει για αξιοπιστία.
@@stelioskarakasis4809 Γεια σου Στέλιο. Το μοντέλο του '21 το πήρα το πήρα το Μάι και μόλις σήμερα γυρίζοντας από τριήμερο έχω 10300 απροβλημάτιστα χιλιόμετρα. Η εμπειρία μου είναι θετική. Κάθε ώρα πάνω της και κάθε χιλιόμετρο είναι απόλαυση. Το Σάββατο έκανα 550 χλμ.στους Δολομίτες, 11 ώρες πάνω σε αυτή, μόνο σπορ οδήγηση και τα έκανε όλα τέλεια.
I was drawn to SAS because of its engine and because of top heavy feeling and wobbling issues decided me to sell it. All my complaints with the previous model has been solved now in the current one but as you mentioned in your video that the engine in the 2021 model is now a bit muted compared to the model that it replaces. How significant the changes to the power? More power to you motoVibes!
Still the same power as the predecessor - just with a little less roar (vibration and sound) compared to mine (which also has the Akra exhaust my test bike did not) but you gain smoother response at low RPMs. Overall the new tuning can be considered an improvement - for many this may not even be an issue. Call it nostalgia but I liked the character of the predecessor better 😎
Good info on the seat height. Can you comment on your previous 1290 S vs the 2021 S model. How much lower is the 2021 S compared to the 2020?
Hi Mark - I think on paper the difference is only 1 cm but it feels more like 2 maybe 3 cm to me because I can reach the ground better with my feet. Nominal seat height is not the only deciding factor on how well you can reach the ground - the shape of the seat also factors in - a narrower seat will give you more reach (think of light weight Enduro narrow) - a wider seat less reach.
The 2-3 cm is in the normal setting - the "low" setting (standard on each bike) gives another 2 cm. I am 180 cm tall - the lowest setting is much too low for me on the 2021 S model. I hope this helps
Amazing machine. That said, it’s unfortunate the state-of-the-art electronics package doesn’t come bundled with a standard five year state-of-the-art warranty.
No it doesn’t- does anyone offer this? You can extend the warranty at an additional cost which I have done on mine and the previous BMW
Great video. I’m upgrading from a BMW F900XR to a big size adv bike. I test rode the 2022 GSA, great bike, comfortable etc etc. It just doesn’t give you the kick. Have both SAS & SAR scheduled for test rides by the end of March since my dealer doesn’t do test rides during super low temps. My biggest question right now is, SAS or SAR? I do mostly long trips and really not an off-road guy, however the SAR looks far more aggressive and appealing to me. The 21” front tire and long travel are questionable for me when it comes to high speeds on highway but i just don’t want to make this kind of investment and be restricted to road only with the SAS. Not sure if SAR is the actual SAS with added capabilities or just a totally different bike that will excel off-road but will lack what the SAS has on pavement.
Thank you very much 😉 as for your bike choice - from what you are describing the SAS would be the better fit for the riding you do - the S and the R are very similar but their respective bias Onroad vs Off-road is very noticeable- I will have a video coming up soon to break down the exact details between the S and the R
I do like the R design better too but changing the look of the bike is relatively easy. The smaller and lighter wheels as well as the semi active suspension of the S will be perfect for road riding 😉
1:33 to start the video, for people that have better things to do with their life.
Ah c‘mon - tried really hard to spice up the video with some b-roll to keep it more interesting 😉
Ach mir reichen 100 ps in den meisten Situationen. :D Trozdem macht das Lust auf mehr !
Leistung und Drehmoment kann man doch nie genug haben 😎👍
I know the lower seat height will attract more people towards it, for me, it ruins the deal. The difference in feeling vs. my '18 model is huge. Mind you, I am 1.96 m tall, I ride mine with the Powerparts higher seat. When I sat on the '21 model, it felt very GS- ish. If they wanted to build a GS, they should have gone ahead and build it...
Yeah. For really tall riders the lower seat height is not an advantage. The R would be the only option here I guess
Cool hoodie 👍🏻 we’re can I get it?
I am glad you like it. Let me see what I can do in the near future 😎👍
how does the comfort compared to the gs? can the suspension be set up as spft as the gs on comfort mode?
I would say it gets close. The GS has overall softer Setup. The dynamic setting of the GS is closer to street (medium) setting of the KTM. In addition front and rear suspension can be adjusted individually in a custom setting mode on the KTM
Since you have experience of this and past motorcycles could you please share some information about the reliability of the motorcycle? Reliability of the engine, electronics and other peripheral stuff?
I did a long term review of the 1290 SAS here ua-cam.com/video/hjV0RimLBzg/v-deo.html - as for the accessories check out this video on long term experience ua-cam.com/video/ZryihWG2L_Y/v-deo.html
Riding in the road, are there any handling differences between the 2021 R vs S? (If the R suspension is correctly setup) is there any major downside on the R version vs S (other than manually setup your suspension settings)?
Theo - I suggest you watch this video- it explains the key difference between the two ua-cam.com/video/TYFYFEbIkZE/v-deo.html
You just made me so happy, that I did not buy the new model.
Always good to wait and see. It’s a good bike and it will be available for a while - also with more accessories coming available things will look different
This is definitely on my “wish list” to upgrade from my 1200 GS. My biggest concerns would be poor warranty coverage and dealer support, as well as electronics that still appear to error regularly. Most of all though, we do a lot of two up touring and the GS excels at that. I’d be very curious to know how someone would rate this bike for two up touring compared to the GS?
Best thing is to test ride one with two up - the 1290 can certainly be set to a very comfortable suspension setting with a push of a button. On days you ride solo the KTM can become a very sporty bike especially compared to the BMW
In my opinion as a touring bike you won’t beat the GS. I made an expensive mistake buying the 1290SAS for long days touring.
@@Hemlck Thanks Tim. That’s gold advice. Much appreciated👍
In my opinion, the only downside to these new bikes is that they have covered up half of that beautiful V twin with fuel tanks , looks crap !. Sorry. Rather have my GT anyday. Apart from that, another excellent video .
Thank you Roger and very good point about the engine being too covered up. 👍
Moin! Wie groß bistn du? Ich fand es ziemlich nervig IN statt AUF dem Motorrad zu sitzen. Hatte auch Probleme mit der oberen Sitzposition bei der neuen.
Da find ich meine vom Fahren her cooler. Der Punkt für die Elektronik geht an die Neue. Wobei ich nicht verstanden hab wofür man den c1 und c2 Knopf braucht. Hätte man ja auch übers steuerkreuz machen können wenn man auf dem startbildschirm ist. Gut so geht's halt in allen submenüs direkt zum Favoriten.
Hast du für deine Speicherräder eigentlich ne straßenzulassung? Überlege ob ich mir auch mal welche zulege.
Find die C1 und C2 überflüssig. Ging vorher auch ohne 😉 dazu mehr im 2. Teil
Felgen war dann doch nicht so easy- bekomme die 19/17 eingetragen aber nur wenn die 21/18 ausgetragen werden 😬 wegen der Tachoanpassung. Das war jetzt nicht Sinn der Sache.
@@MotoVibes Sprich für die SAS wars kein Problem, bei der SAR musst du dann wohl nochmal einen Satz kaufen, weil du sonst ohne Straßenzulassung für einen der Beiden Rädersätze unterwegs bist? Das is natürlich uncool.
@@Aldimann007 ich hab ein Dekra Gutachten für den kleinen Raddatz- das geht also. Nur würden die Großen Räder aus dem Schein ausgetragen werden sobald die Kleinen eingetragen werden. Entweder oder.
What setting on the suspension do you use and prefer for road riding?
Definitely the sport setting - used it 95% of the time for onroad riding. I like the firmer suspension setting this KTM offers. My GS was always a bit too soft 😉
@@MotoVibes thanks, I presume the throttle response also on Sport?
@@hedonzx822 no, I like the street setting for throttle response. I think this also sets the traction control which. I only use the sport setting on the track now. 😉
@@MotoVibes thanks for your time and effort, I take mine next week back to the dealer to have the crashbars,fog lights,carbon fairing at the fuel tank and heated grips installed.
I still have to wait for the heated comfort seats, but then it’s complete 🤗🙏🏻
@@hedonzx822 you are very welcome - enjoy your newly accessorized KTM 😎👍
Beatifull bike ktm1290S
Salu2 de vuestro más fiel infiel Pako
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3,000miles in on my 2021 KTM 1290s Loving it, bye bye 1250 gs rallye
Welcome to the KTM club 😎👍
I went the other way after 3000 miles on 2021 KTM 1290 SAS. Main thing was ergonomics…poor seating position for me, noisy screen, seat doesn’t work in higher position, no ergo seats available. Also no engine bars still and no aftermarket items. The suspension is not a patch on the GS either and real head shake when fully loaded with a top box. Power and sheer thrill factor is fantastic with KTM and it’s just so much fun to ride. Would have both if I could!
Long distance touring (my needs) GS is still better by miles I reckon.
@@Hemlck Mmm after owning 11 GS GSA and GS rallye 1250's x 2 IMHO The KTM is far better made plastics are true and strong the frame and the wheels are super the Suspension is on par with BMW ESA but gives you far more options to fine tune especially in Rally Pack and advanced modes. Re Shake i sorted mine 21nm site don 20nm on the head stock. Agree rests but bin off the rubbers in the pegs then order high seat and its a winner.Its far more agile easy to move around in gravel car parks easy to put on main stand and by far WAYYYYYY more fun. The GS will always be a comfier bike but I have done close to 350,000mile son them and guess i was ready for a change.
@@flapjackbeans Don't get me wrong - the KTM is probably more fun and engaging to ride - but its not as comfy. The plastics are no way as good as BMW's. They scratch up easily I found. Why KTM screwed up the seat manufacture I have no idea but it put me off - I ordered the Ergo seat but it never came and now is no longer even an option on KTM's website. The new Ergo heated seat from BMW I am finding is good for 200+mile days and the seat to peg ratio is more comfy for me (injured arthritic hip). I have had 6 GS's over the years and both the old 1290 SAS and the new one. The new SAS is a great bike - prob the best KTM have ever made. If I had the money I would have both - the KTM for fun trips and the GS for day after day touring comfort - :-) Oh and the KTM quickshifter and gearbox overall is way nicer (and sportier) :-)
so you gonna upgrade to the 2021 R or.....
Not any time soon. There is a second part to this video of the things I do not like coming up soon
I dont think it's the "only option you got"..Harley Pan America is a equal to this bike or so the saying goes...Im waiting for the Super Duke GT to come out before I get to excited over this bike, it looks like it's a winner!
yeah - I did not consider the new kid on the block when I said that. I have no experience with the new Harley - as a former Harley owner I am very curious to take the Pan America for a ride some day.
@@MotoVibes Im not a Harley fan but I think they did a fantastic job for a first attempt, I went to the KTM dealer yesterday, it might be difficult to buy a Super Duke GT or this Adventure model the dealers are short on supply..
@@masterspin7796 Short supply issues seem to affect every aspect of life these days - I hope KTM will start supplying soon.
Als Straßenreisemaschine bestimmt gut…
Genau. Oder mit mehr Off-road Fokus dann die R 😉