The Honest Truth about Axis Longboard Pedals...
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2020
- With the price tags this thing comes with and how absouletely stunning they appear, you'd hope they'd stand the test of time, huh? Steer clear heavy hitters and look elsewear, the right pedals for you are in the other castle!
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Want more power/volume? Move the beater back.. you’ve got the pedal sideways at 9:00 and the beater is like 3 inches from where the bassdrum head would be. I have owned Iron cobra, Eliminator, Demon Drive, Axis A (shown in this vid), and Axis Lazer. To be fair, I have never had issues with any of those pedals, besides a broken U joint on the Iron Cobra driveshaft. Axis pedals can give you whatever feel you want, its just a matter of manipulating the settings.
My son spent a lot of money on two Axis As with the MicroTorque system. It took almost two months to get them and when they arrived, one of the nuts for the bass drum hoop clamp was already cross-threaded. Off to the hardware store to find a similar machine screw and wing nut. Then, two weeks in, one of the springs broke. This time, we called Axis about 10 times to explain the problem and get some replacements to both fix the pedal and keep some spares. They’re very fast, but everything you said was right about quality control and customer service.
They need to fire that rep he is an idiot
I have axis a21 sabre Derek Roddy since years and none of the above problems occurred for me except low quality springs i have to change them often.but that's normaI I think cause my settings are super hard.I gig ,I play death metal and what i see in this video most of issues here are coming from simple neglect and poor maintenance.yes these pedals need once a time inspection and maintenance -checking all nuts bolts screws etc they like to losen up sometimes .This stuff working hard in extreme music !it never happen to me to beaters problems with shaving rods -puzzles me what you been doing to them they shave like that seriously.Second thought a bit controversial would be that many people blame pedals -they cant set them up etc and never look at their bad technique that can manifest very quickly and make you struggle with super precise pedals like axis .There's plethora of axis using extreme musicians and while they get nothing for being in their roster or some not even on it they still use axis and not complaint it at all...
Thank you for reassuring my love old for my old iron cobras with I've had since 03......
He is so right, I am so glad I sold these. I thought it would just be me, but the pedal eating up itself is a real problem...
I am glad you did this! We need more REAL WORLD reviews from EXPERIENCE....not just fanboy initial impressions. I also hate fanboy reviews that won't admit any issues- rose colored glasses.
Man. Their quality control must have gone downhill over the years. I have a double setup that I’ve had since the 90’s. I don’t remember what year they are, but the driveshaft is a larger diameter than the newer ones, and it’s all silver.
They have been absolute tanks.
I am a hard player. I mean....at times I’ve felt like I was on a mission to turn my kit into a pile of kindling. Mine hit hard, and have never broken.
Now I will say that the clamp nut and stud have gotten beat up like you said, which should never happen, and some other spots where they have, “eaten themselves”. But other than that, mine are solid.
I also replaced those dumb beaters immediately. I took a steel rod, threaded the end and fabricated it to accept skateboard wheels for my beaters.
Oh and while we are on the subject. After I fell in love with the pedal, I outfitted my whole kit with their stands.
On the record....
Axis....your stands SUCK.
there are so many modern pedals out there, that could have been produced by rocket companies (Trick, Altone, ACD, Czarcie Kopyto). Just Take a look at the Altone Pedals - incredible! just wow! Just watch how the beater is swinging - it´s stunning!!!
Everytime I see such pedals of course I´m jealous and want one too.
But i´m still playing my Gibraltar Intruder and my Tama Camco Pedal from the mid/end 80´s.
Simple, reliable, light and fast , easy to repair/restore and maintain - these will outlive me easily.
It all depends on your technique and playing ability.
As long as you are a "casual" player who does not steadily kick beyond 200 bpm, every decent "normal" pedal that works properly will do the job. If it´s not in your feet, you won´t get it out of the machine.
THIS WAS SO HELPFUL! I was a click away from ordering these. THANK YOU!
I’ve always stuck with my IC 900’s that I’ve had for 25 years now. I just recently cleaned them for the first time only to make them completely silent while I’m on my DW practice pad kit. I’m so glad I never sold them I’ve never once had an issue with them and they’ve been gigged, toured and practiced with all this time as my only pedals. Just more recently have I purchased a second pedal.. an old DW 5000 USA single chain… its very nice. I’m kinda shocked there are some pedals out their that are straight trash
Duuude thank you, this really helps me!
These similar issues actually happened on my OG Axis Longboards I got in 2008. It's definitely a long standing set of issues. When they work they are incredible. Just sucks when they don't.
How I wish I had your video before I bought these, what a disappointment, totally not for me, your video says 100% of what I think about them.
I think so too
Damn I didn't know they was that bad, never played them but glad I didn't lol
@@Samford404 Hp910 is a better choice,I think it's better than axis.
@@blastbeatcoin2653 I got the hp900 not the 10s but they are amazing for sure smooth as hell.
@@Samford404 Using it can also arrive 280bpm, and the strength is powerful than axis.
So, they hit so hard they broke titanium rods, but they don't hit hard... you broke parts on your second tour... so they must be crap... and, they sell rebuild kits that include the rubber bumpers for the hoop clamp. I've had great service from Axis. Any time your tour equipment it's going to need regular service. I do agree the sonic hamers are not a great design... the 21A Laser solved that problem. Go with some type of ball beater. Axis recommends the more solid X pedal for tour duty. 6 years of many gigs and tours... yeah...
Bro…you’re so spot on with this vid! I bought these pedals 2nd hand from EBay years ago…and they were so bad then, that I did a return and included the pics of all the broken parts…and the seller didn’t dispute it and let me keep the pedals for FREE!! The only Con to that…is that I still have them and struggling! What is your opinion of DW 9000 vs Iron Cobras? I’m wanting to get into more double bass work, but I’m 45 years old…and don’t have the strongest shins
they are both insanely good, the only problem with the DW 9000 is that, your foot might slide all the way through and the tip of your feet/shoes might touch the Drive(chain,direct,etc)
I have some coming in from Amazon this week. If I don’t like them…I can send them back! Great thing about Amazon!
I totally agree with you, they are lousy pedals, the best thing I did was sell it before it got more worn
have you tried the Dixon DD Coil Spring pedal?
I'm so glad zed is in charge now and ALL of these issues are now rectified!! I fucking love my axis pedals. I used the same pair for countless tours, albums and rehearsals.
So the pedals we buffed or something?
@@JoeyJordisonLover buffed by my socks, yes
@@FrogMagus Noice, I might get a pair.
@@FrogMagus nice
Just snapped the bottom of the shaft of my marksman beater as well. I've been playing the longboards for a long time. Ready to ditch them. My first pedals were iron cobra power glides. Thinking about speed cobras. Any experience with them?
speed cobras arent very user friendly, played the 910s for a while, good feel but couldn't stand how much of a pain it was to adjust, i play trick pro 1-v bigfoots now and have no complaints, most user friendly pedals ever and feel awesome whether for heavy hitting players or for blazing fast heal toe
Loved my speed cobras but I no longer play double bass and have an iron cobra power glide and axis caliber x.
How long did those things take to ship? Because many people say it took months for them ship
Hey man, just wandering what pedals you are playing now?
Dude I had the SAME issue with the Axis A's. Within the first year I had them the rod joining the pedals broke on me as well. And I don't even play live gigs or anything over 200 BPM... So they just never moved unless I played them... At the time they didn't even have a solution for me other than to buy new pedals... How is that the only option... It was laughable... And enraging... Luckily I was able to sell them as two singles.
Man, you're absolute right. Axis should fire their engineers. The slave beater position is a total joke. The hoop clamp is not even designed. Its children Meccano at its best. Rebounds, due to the slave beater position, sound weak. Bearings, screws, joints break easily. Tension springs are hard to adjust and even more unworkable. Board height, you need to buy extra pieces of metal to adjust it. They mix plastic with cheap aluminium. And most stupid of all is the fact the footboards are designed for people with two left feet.
I have around 250-300 bucks budget, can u recommend a pedal ? I thought about the pearl p932 bc they are longboards. Does someone have them and how are they ?
I've owned a set of Axis AL-2s for about 7 years now. I live in the UK and picked a pair up from Musicians Friend and had them shipped here. Paid like £450!!!! Bargain at the time.
I threw those trash beaters in the bin within the first month of having them. I use a set of iron cobra ones with a few hefty weights on them to add some velocity to the swings. Works really really well! Highly recommended doing that. As you said in the video, crazy smooth swing mechanism on these. Great for triggering, but with these heavy beaters I have, I've managed to get a crazy strong punch out of 'em from a very minimal effort👌
Aside from the beaters, the only thing that bothers me is the wing-nut spring tension system. Really f***ing tricky to tighten them. But once they're adjusted your good to go. I've actually swapped those for some circular plastic things. Works miles better...
I noticed my boards at the heel side have started to rattle a bit and I do need to sort that as I record a lot of stuff. That is becoming increasingly annoying and now I've heard you say it, I need to fix it hahaha
Hopefully Axis can sort you out man, sucks that so many things have gone wrong with your pedals :/ also I wish I could have picked up the black ones! Mine are boring silvery colour 😂 haha
Axis had the direct drive market cornered in the early 2000's. I feel like these pedals were not meant for double pedal players, but two single/two bass drum players. I tried to use Axis pedals twice and could never get comfortable with them. I switched to the Pearl Demo drive and never looked back.
I hear the beater landing on the table than this guy.. did you put the mic on the table or something?
Thanks for the video. I was genuinely going to buy the same ones! Dodged a bullet thanks to you. Guess I'll go Czarcie Kopyto now.
good luck getting kopytos hope you dont have to wait months or years to have them built for u
What double bass pedal would you guys recommend? I wanna start practicing heel toe and I don't know what to buy. Any suggestions?
that mostly depends on your budget since they can cost anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars, you can play heel toe even with a cheap strap drive pedal, having an expensive pedal wont magically make you play faster or improve your technique
Iron cobras
Believe me, the Cobras.
Years ago I had the original Axis single pedal. It just didn't have enough adjustability to get it to where I liked it. So it went in the closet to collect dust and I went back to my DW 5000.
I have been playing axis pedals for 6-7 years myself. I like how they feel, but I can't help but break the heel block, particularly on the slave pedal. I even replaced it with an ACD heelblock they made for axis pedals and I STILL managed to lose one of the screws on the heel block recently
@5:23 yep I have the exact issue. sucks. when I play on my practice pad I can hear the left pedal clanking and metal touching metal.
I was so glad you (the poster of this video) spoke about the lack of power with these pedals. I have tried Axis twice before, and although they are definitely light and smooth, as one poster on Drummerworld put it "they rendered my bass drum impotent". I agree with your assessment 100%. These pedals are really designed for use with triggers, and while triggers don't help you play faster, they absolutely do make you sound more powerful (and yes I'm aware of triggers on the market that are touch sensitive, but that's not what most guys are using triggers on their kick drums for and we all know it). I've never understood why so many guys just don't admit the truth about these pedals. They serve a certain purpose and part of the marketplace (predominantly hardcore/speed metal), but without triggers I can't even fathom attempting to play "Kashmir" with these things and be heard, even if mic'd up. I saw Richard Christy play once live with an Axis double pedal. He wasn't triggering according to what I read online, and although he was very fast, you couldn't really hear his double bass patterns very well despite playing on a fully mic'd kit. To me it's like sticks. A pair of 5A maple drumsticks is going to be much lighter and easier to maneuver on a kit than a pair of 2S PRO MARK OAKS. The difference in lightness/feel will be enormous, but good luck producing the needed power with the 5A maple's if you're playing loud rock (again unless you're triggering the snare and toms etc). I'm not slagging Axis. I think they make a really nice pedal overall, it's just designed for a very specific purpose. Now will come the obligatory attacks I suppose, but I think the info about the power aspect of these pedals mentioned in the video is SPOT ON. I too would also recommend something like a DW 9000 double, or Tama Iron Cobra Double etc if you want significant power from your pedal.
maybe it's your settings, I have my springs only like 60% tight, and my beaters back about 45 degrees, and they have as much power as any other pedals I used
I use the heel toe (double stroke) metthood so these are the perfect pedals for me
Bassdrum impotent!!! Most accurate description ever. :)
@@zachary_attackery no lack of power at all for me either. People doom themselves with settings on these. I’ve had mine over 8 years, played hard on, toured with, almost always mic’d not triggered.
Btw, the knuckles last a lot longer if you don’t swing around by their bar homie.
Throw it away and get the
Trick Bigfoot double kick, its the best around or Pearl's Demon XR double kick
You probably lost some money but Trick or Pearl XR are very good.
I had a set of AL-2's from prolly 2009 and I had the same problem. Back then they were like $700, now $1000!?? Hell No. This video just reconfirmed that I should definitely buy somewhere else lol. The angled beaters were definitely hell sometimes, I loved them so much but the locking system would never holds. I will say axis is my favorite pedal i've played, but man I am looking for new pedals now and I refuse to spend $1000 on them when there's a lot of new direct drive pedals coming out that look way more modern.
Axis longboards are literally the standard in metal drumming above 200 bpm. This guy is a literal no one with an e-kit.
Hundreds of drummers in actual bands with actual recorded material use axis pedals exclusively.
That's why I am still sticking with my Iron Cobra for heavy hitting... almost 8 years use and it's built like a tank and never broken out...
Get an eliminator.
More adjustable
Dude, I still have an old Iron Cobra, 1st gen, from back in early 90's, and it's still in perfect working state. I also have a more recent Speed Cobra, from 2016 and so far so good, but I still use the IC as well (2 kits). Those things are virtually indestructible.
My iron cobras from 2003 and still work great.
@@johnjohns3651 if you boys ever want to try a direct drive.. depending on your budging the Crypto (can’t spell them haha)
Or go tama dyna sync since you guys roll with tama. I have them and they’re fire
@@25stealthshooter direct drives make me feel stupid. The feel is totally different and I'm an ankle wiggler as opposed to a double stroket
I have Double longboards. Had to replace both heel bearing assemblies at $60 each. 😞
That's almost opposite of my experience overall, though there's a few similarities. I've had both a double shortboard since ~94 (well, there were no longboards then...) and a single longboard.
Service: I've only had to send in one for service once (shortly after I got it), and I got back the pedals not only fixed but with spare parts and a hand-written letter explaining the issue and how it was resolved (early days!).
Speed and feel: totally agree. Some love chain drive, but for me, it's like going back in time when I have to play chain drive (DW, Tama, whatever) again. They're fine pedals, but not the same. One might argue that you have more control with something not as "fast," but I don't know. JR Robinson plays Axis, so it's obviously not only about speed.
Power: I hear many say this, but I disagree. The speed folks may not configure their Axis pedals this way, but you can hit the kick as loud as you need to with the appropriate beaters and settings. I think there are two things to consider: 1) the same weight beater feels much lighter on Axis--try a heavier beater, and you will get as much power as you want (note how DW has the removable weights with their beaters for their direct-drive pedals); and 2) at some point it really doesn't matter--to double the volume, you need 10x the power, which just isn't going to happen. Yes, the feel is different with chain drive, and that heavier action may "feel" more powerful. That doesn't necessarily mean it's functionally louder.
Rod slipping: that hasn't been my experience, but I think it must be a common enough issue that they've apparently redesigned it to be a square design.
VDL screw breaking: I've had that happen, but replaced it with a traditional drum key-style metal set screw. I think only the older models had the plastic (resin?) screw?
Beaters: yeah, I swapped those out pretty quickly. The "wrecking ball" beater is aptly-named: it chews through drumheads, but pairs well with a Gibraltar Click Pad (if you want that sound). I haven't tried any of the others, though the Kollias beater looks worth a shot. I've had awful luck with beaters, though. I forget which model I used where the head could be rotated up/down to align with the head and then set with a set screw. It invariably would keep rotating while playing until it had rotated up 90 degrees, with the edge of the beater head digging into the batter pad. The one I have now rotates right/left, but for whatever reason, that continually rotates off-center also. One would think it would twist to align itself flat rather than rotating from aligned to off-angle. No problems with an old-school felt Danmar beater, though.
I agree 100% on the hoop clamp screw--those get eaten up. The problem is that it's aluminum, which is a soft metal (you can cut it using saw blades made for wood). The mechanism in general is a pain, and my biggest complaint about these pedals. I wish they used something more like DW and others where the screw isn't beneath the footboard--it's difficult to get your fingers in there and tighten it hard enough to the clamp. Thankfully, their velcro is so strong that the pedal is going nowhere (on carpet)... but the clamp mechanism unfortunately won't clamp hard enough to keep the drum in place.
I've had experience with enough of the Axis line to know that they simply don't deliver the power I want, in any configuration, where others do. Whether every pedal Axis made has the same issue or not, I couldn't say of course... but I've played every type of pedal for sure. Direct drives are unforgiving of mistakes, in build or play. Axis pedals make plenty of them.
I will not be buying any Axis pedals that currently exist, and my reason is that while it may be possible to get a good power setup with them, I never managed to find one, even with hours of tuning them. I didn't have to do any setup on my Tricks at all, and they played like sledgehammers out of the box. I can crank the spring all the way up or down, and it doesn't take the finesse out of the footboard, something Axis has never been able to accomplish, in my experience. I've not had the pleasure of being able to really mess with Czarcie Kopyto or ACD pedals, but I've got to play a set of both, and the experience was similar to my Trick Bigfoots, they just play themselves honestly. Ntm that having now played a set for two years, I don't think Axis is capable of making a pedal as good as these.
I know this is late, but I have the Trick Pro 1-v bigfoots and they do everything the Axis pedals do but more. Far more reliable and deliver the power, trigger or not!
I think it's quality inconsistency. My driveshaft flew apart almost immediately and I have them split to two singles now even though they supposedly fixed the driveshaft. I can't get them to feel anywhere near the same even with the exact same settings. Something is off but everything looks and feels fine. They drive me nuts for two years and I'm just about fed up with them.
This is really weird because I bought my longboards like 10 years ago, at the time they were the ONLY direct drive pedals on the market (this was before Pearls Demon Drives and everything else), and there are zero plastic parts in them anywhere. I've toured all over the world with them, taking them apart, putting them back together, switching from 2 singles to a double pedal, and the only issue I ever had was sometimes the rod to the slave pedal would slip off like you said. All the adjustment screws on mine are like regular drum lugs. I did immediately switch to Iron Cobra beaters because I didn't like how the Sonic Hammers felt. I wonder if they switched to cheaper materials at some point or if yours are different because they're the black ones? I never had any issue with a lack of power either
Direct drive pedals have been a thing since the late 50's, early 60's. See Ludwig Speed King.
I believe the Yamaha Flying Dragons (direct drive) also came out before Axis.
Lots of direct drive pedals long before what you're saying. Kinda thought you'd know that touring the world and everything..
@@x8jason8x True, though the SK is quite a different animal (compression spring, etc.). My first pedal was a SK and I spent a lot of time with it; main complaint is that the linkage was made out of pot metal and would snap far too easily (hopefully not true of the reissue). As for the squeaking... that was a feature.
@@jdraven7125you mean like some cheap sonor with rod base? Yeah, they existed, but it was a junk.
Where is the mic in this video? It sounds like it's on the table but i dont see a mic there lol
it is on the table haha pinned to the table leg
trick pro 1v bigfoots are the way to go! never played a better pedal than those
True man thanks. I got some pearl longboard instead. Much better
I'm just seeing this now! Yeah, I bought 2 single longboard A's around 2007-ish? and right out of the boxes, I thought it was going to be the greatest day ever Nope! I put the pedals on my 2 Tama 24" kicks'. Adjusted everything accordingly, but I wanted to use my Danmar Redhead long throw beaters instead of the hot mess speed hammer beaters, or whatever they called them back then. so i get the regular wood beaters on and Wow! I was flipping!! I couldn't get the beater to contact the head! It literally Deadheaded at the 12:00 position. So, I went back, readjusted Everything again. NO GO!!!, No matter what I tried I couldn't get a regular beater of any type to impact the head without laying all my weight into it. I looked closer into the issue and found they were using springs which were about 1/3rd too short. replaced the springs with the same gauge coil wire, but longer, the springs needed more coils on them to allow for the full rotation...replaced the springs and now I'm flying....Thanks Axis!
Ive got the old silver axis longboards and i absolutely shred them with some generic beaters and ive never had any problems. The only complaint i could give you is they are less forgiving and more twitchy than the chain drive stuff but the response is second to none. Idk whats up with these new black ones they mustve gone down the shitter with QC
Honestly I love my newer double 910 speed cobra pedals! Good price, very solid construction, powerful and They're fast. They're honestly great pedals all around✌
I litterally can't decide between the 910 Black Out speed cobras or axis longboard, someone said axis was revamped tho.
I just got mine for 466 dollars cause the guy has to sell them as soon as possible cause his mom got diagnosed with cancer.. I bought them for two reasons.. 1) The huge price gap and 2) His situaion that i really felt and wanted to help somehow. Do you think i made a mistake?
What is better? Axis or speed cobra hp910lw?
speed cobra
Bro... my Iron Cobras are like 20 years old and they haven't had even a tenth of the problems you describe in 6 years. Supposedly Axis did some restructuring, but their new stuff isn't compression spring based, and they still haven't changed their garbage Tama inspired shaft either.
Lol why would they want to copy trick with a compression spring
I’ve always wanted to try these, but never got the chance. I was between these, and the pearl demon drives and am infinitely happy with the demon drives. Had iron cobras, then speed cobras, then wanted some direct drives and went with the pearls. So much customization with ease on them.
why have you played them for 6 years then?
Guess he was trapped in an abusive relationship.
Though they are lacking in quality… they fly and feel great.
@@cbl6520just like all drummers FR
Steve Asheim not complaining at all 🤷♂️
Your experience with Axis is a complete 180 from mine. Not saying they are flawless by any means. I bought my AL2’s back in 2004, I just sent them in for a refresh to the factory after 16 years of abuse. My refresh process was easy, they had them done in a day, even with all the Covid backlog they have.
Your heel hinge issue can be fixed by getting the updated heel bearings. To help with the power, get the A21 #1 piece. The sonic hammers are made out of carbon steel, not titanium. Don’t even think for a second some Tama pedal is going to do what you want, I gave a dynasync a test drive, it sucked. It these, Czarzie Koyopto, or Trick, all others aren’t going to last.
That's pretty awesome. I just picked up a used set of AL-2s, coming from a modified Iron Cobra. If you don't mind sharing, how much did the factory refresh run you in terms of cost?
I think we just need to accept we all have different experiences with different pedals... Couldn't disagree more with your experience with the dynasync for example, that thing is A fucking machine! Most power i have ever experienced on a direct-drive pedal - so adjustable feels like 6 different pedals under different settings... maybe you havent tried adjusting around enough, perhaps? or you might just not like them, that's also cool :)
@@zadongaming2962 the throw is way long on the cam to deliver the beater to the head, even on the short setting. The driveshaft isn’t up to par. They have a point in the middle of the settings that feels like they almost bind, like a little hiccup in the stroke. I tried everything, I wanted to love them so much. They have tons of power, but so does an Axis with the A21 part.
@@elusiveDesires 350 I think. For that I got all the bearings replaced, springs, updated heel hinges, A21 rotor, new footboards, driveshaft servicing, I also bought some new beaters too, they were extra.
Alright, trick pedals it is thanks 🤘
I like my Pearl belt drive pedals
Go with a Tama speed cobra it’s half the price and pretty fucking awesome
The sonic hammers are to compensate for the fact that the part where the beater attaches doesn’t hit FLAT with the bass drum head. It goes past the point of center. It’s so stupid. The A21 pedals fixed this “problem “ but it should’ve been the design from the get go.
I’ve had like 5 different Axis pedals and each one has failed in one way or the other. Great feel but super unreliable. Tried a ton of other pedals (Trick, ACD, Tama, Pearl, etc) but settled on the DW MDD and have had zero issues. Thankfully there is a new longboard version as well
how are those dws? i bought trick bigfoots after using dw 5000s and couldnt be happier, it seems like those dw direct drives are a bit overpriced imo...
@@endowednigerian they are sick! Probably the best built pedals I’ve ever owned. Trick pedals rule but the compression spring is not my favorite feeling.
Dude, I have the same fucking problems with my axis too. I mean, it works very well but they don't will survive so much longer...
And they are very expensive for that stupid quality. I'll try another direct drive, I don't know which one to buy. Do you have some advice?
Definitely check out either the czarcie kopyto's or the trick dominator's. I have heard nothing but good about them!
Axis have since re-engineered the pedals and they are infinitely better and more durable
My axis pedals failed me way too many times to count... Really sucks live. The hammer on the triggers broke twice and it’s 50$ or more to replace just the hammer. My replacement hammer broke after about 5 months of use.. seriously. The beaters almost always fly out of the pedal which is how the hammer for the triggers keep breaking.
I hope they change their design because the design they have now is awful
Highly suggest you go to a machinist or a hotrod garage. They can fix all this for you.
I put iron cobra beaters on my axis pedals, much better than the stock beaters
I've always had the A version. Never had any of these issues. I will admit tho, I didn't like the beaters either.
Damn. I almost bought a used set of them, but I wanted to double-check if these were a good idea.
me too, what did you end up getting?
@@YOUARESOFT. I ordered a set of Trick P1VBF2 Pro 1-V Bigfoot pedals direct drive. Unfortunately, Trick encountered some manufacturing delay. I believe I ordered my set the day I commented here. Still waiting on them to arrive. Lol.
I considered getting Kopytos, but I saw a lot of comments that it’s hard to have them shipped to the US, and each pedal is made-to-order (2 month minimum).
@SunnyHF-nf4bc lemme know how that goes. I tried ordering the pro1v and they had a 7+ month wait time through sweetwater. Others places i tried said they had a 24 month wait time for the pro1v
@@CrazyPeople131 Yeah, I think the supply issues with Trick Percussion worsened in late February.
I saw them pop up occasionally on other websites, but I always prefer to order my most expensive gear from Sweetwater.
I received my pedals, but it’s worth noting that I placed my order around the end of January, I think.
Worth the wait. The feel takes some getting used to. Playing fast with power is no sweat.
I am running into issues getting the same powerful strokes at medium tempos with the slave pedal in the double-pedal configuration. However, I’m almost certain that issue will be fixed when I get my bass drum plate to help me space the beaters evenly from the center of the head.
As two single pedals, I have no issues with loss of power at any tempo.
I’m still experimenting with different settings (footboard height, beater angle, spring tension).
I just wish I didn’t have to buy the case separately.
Literally just ordered the A2 longboards. Hopefully indont have these issues.
you won't. Got mine for more than 12 yrs. Only the e-kit system let's you down. Make sure you don't have loose parts, and it will run smoothly for at least a decade.
@@julian.borisov I wish I could say I have these pedals, but they never arrived. The story is, I placed my order through my local drum store, turns out Axis stopped working with stores and only sells directly. They claimed to had notified all vendors, but my local shop had no idea. So I never got my pedals, after that, I decided to not get them just yet. Maybe one day I'll order them.
@@chazmichaelmichaels88 direct order will take you several months, but let's say, more than 10 years with those, I'm more than happy I bought them. Ofc, tiny pieces wear out, but overall tremendous durability.
@@julian.borisov if I ever pull the trigger on it, they would be the ones I get.
this may be true but like u have had em for 6 years thats a long time but chains last longer but these are just so high tech theres to many things on them
uh, w those hammer beaters m bd 'bounces' w 2 toms on it and while using 1 pedal. just ur claiming u broke beaters w them contradicts the claim no power can be had w these pedals. u can get better henges for them. maybe there was a plastic wing on the adjuster but isn"t it an allen under the wing? old axis i have are. i think i had plastic wings on mine too.
Dude I was thinking get this in the future uumm idk. Now
TRICK PRO 1 V
Very true, I tried the single axis long board, did not like them at all. Yes I wasted a lot of money.
My beater broke too and it cut my new drum head. They sent me new ones. And refused to pay for the drum head. The new ones have lasted 6 years though. The DS2 rod slips like crazy and the screws stripped. They sent me a new one for free with an added screw that stripped almost immediately. I had to also replace the heal bearings which cost $20. They have a new ds3 rod that finally doesn’t slip however, AND THIS IS BS, you need to change all of the drive shaft rods for it to align properly. Never recommending these to anyone! It’s actually deterred me from drumming because of all the work I have to do to get them reliable enough to enjoy.
Man, I don’t know what you are doing, but I’m on my 2nd set of these. 1st set I beat the shit out of for 10 years in many parts of the world, and sold them in great condition. 2nd pair going strong. And power? God damn, I had to stop using my sonic hammers because I kept breaking lug casings and claws.
Dude all I can say is power to ya, I'm seeing an inconsistency between each pedal, some great, some bad. Also, the sonic hammers suck because I have broken TWO of them in the past. When I was referring to power, I was regarding it when playing 16th noted past 250bpm, sorry for the confusion, but thanks for the comment!
Pedals not perfect, I used my AL2 for 15 years and its seen better days. Get a trick its basically twice the price but its great.
Yeah i had a pair around 2008-2009, i loved them but they did eat themselves, definitely dont stand up to touring
Brutally honest
Could not hear anything background music was to loud.but great pedals tho
ACD Unlimited Axis Heel Block upgrade, n+1 Beaters, Beater Shifters, Ultimate Driveshaft & Game Changing Triggers and the new Axis Carbon Fibre footboards + adding the A21 Cam Assembly & Microtune Spring Tensioner would be great upgrades, although it will cost quite a few $$$
Pearl demons. Enough said
Axis customer service totally sucks
they are kinda pre historic on design and function!
Man, some of those prices on Axis and Tricks, are just ridicolous!! Over 400 bucks for a stupid "add-on"?
1000% truth ,,,i had axis before ,,same problems ,,specially the drive shaft ,,the ends start to become rounded so you have to tight a lot the screw but even like that with the movement start to feel lose ,,,this is for speeeed not for punch or grooves ,,i have a speed cobra now ,,,fast and punchy ,,i really recommend those ,,only $300 ,,yess ,,but i play death metal and i really think i lost some speed ,,so im going back to axis ,,just bought it yesterday ,,i love speeed ,,so im happy to go back ,,i know that you have to take more care but m,,,this is the right tool for spped with triiggers,,,tip ,,buy the trick drive shaft ,,if you want to improve this pedals.,,,good video
I just bought Axis pedals. Yes , they probably will eat themselves up. Who gives a Fuck!!!! I’m planning on redoing and re- machining a lot of the parts and making the pedals my own anyhow. Fuck, I can make them even faster!!!!.Thanx for posting this any how, for those drummers who need to know.
Please show us your modifications. And the bill that goes with it.
Gotta be honest. The things you are complaining about varied and can be fixed. If you don't like the beaters, just replace them. Most standard beaters are not everyone's cup of tea anyway and you can simply replace them (Which you did) by making your own modified Tama iron cobra beaters. For the long term damage and unreliability of the drive shaft, I get that, however, you could also have gotten an ACD drive shaft which has been known for the last 3-4 years. All in all, if you put up with these pedals for 6 years and had such a myriad of issues, you could have looked into something else. If I had issues I wouldn't have put up with pedals for 6 months non the less 6 years. I respect your dedication to them, but perhaps examining other possibilities could have prevented such grief?
I came from the side of pedals that come at a fraction of the cost and come by as tougher and more reliable. I do understand that there are replacements out there, but I don't see why someone would have to down the line buy new parts especially when the pedals come at such a premium price, if it was cheaper I'd understand that it would need upgrades sooner rather than later. Fortunately these came from a trade with my old Iron Cobras (longboards were mint) so I didn't have to pay the thousand-some odd dollars for these, if it was any other circumstance I would have bought something else.
If I was "given" an Axis Pedal I'd trade it for something else, a dw, Iron Cobra, Pearl Elim., even a Mapex or pdp concept, just not an Axis, anything but an Axis, them Boushy boutique pedals stink & I wouldn't even waste my time with one
I have dw and would trade them for axis xD
You must have had a bad pair because I have experienced none of the issues you mentioned, with the exact model pedals, for almost 10 years. there are multi million dollar companies whose equipment is dead on arrival every now and then. shit happens lol machines are just as capable of making mistakes as the humans who built them. but lets just at least please not deny the smoothness of these pedals given all things are built right.
Thank you! I got the axis vector pedals (longboards) they literally broke on me not even a year of having them and customer service had been ignoring me for 4 months. So I ultimately had to sell them for what I could. FUCK AXIS, NOT WORTH THE MONEY
Honestly I've always thought Axis was overrated, I'm getting Trick pedals what do yall think of Trick pedals?
dude get the trick bigfoots! they are the best pedals out there. you can fly on them, they are quiet as fuck, and extremely powerful! i was worried about power since i used to play dw 5000s and those were super powerful.. as soon as i attached them to my bassdrum i was blown away! the compression spring is so cool and easy to set up and every other adjustment is very self intuitive. my advice Get Em!!! you wont regret it
@@endowednigerian I got the Dominators and let me tell you bro I don't regret buying them what so ever they hit like a truck🤣🤣🤣
@@loganchavez6996 thats rad dude! trick are the best pedals in the game IMO
@@endowednigerian for real bro, best pedals I've ever used in my life
1000$? I got mine for 600$
Get Czarcie Kopyto, for about 950 dollars you get the most perfect pedal ever. It lasts forever.
axis is really terrible in some parts they really do break and after that you need to order some spare parts? hello!!! in the price range of axis this pedal not suppose to be break unlike trick and offcourse the polish tank Czarcie kopyto this pedal really dont break and really durable in their price range you know your money is worth to spend unlike this crappy axis now the price of brand new axis is much expensive than brand new czarcie kopyto so offcourse many drummers will spend their big money to czarcie kopyto than axis. axis really not worth to buy go trick or czarcie kopyto you will never be dissapointed
I have had my axis pedals since 2009 and they still play just as good as they did the day i got them even the plastic wing nuts on the vdl are still fine so i wouldn't say that axis are trash..just sayin.
Order czarcie kopyto from poland then 😉
I had a pair about 27 years ago when they first came out. I was real seised to get em but found that I hated them. The action on em seemed dead to me no matter how I had the settings. Sold em swiftly.
DW Direct Drive pedals are the reigning king of pedals. There is no comparison.
Whining about how every company does with high equipment 😂😂 asking for custom service when you give a eff you video as well like come on bro
I guess we should all just accept crap service and not raise our voices huh? Garbage take
Trick pedals >>>>>>>>> Axis
Dude, just get a different pedal
You act like you were and are forced to play them