@@zachsz9320 Even ambiguous but being unconfirmed seems off putting, but to have characters betray each other and do something as childish as an affair while betraying their best friends, which was out of character when they *were* kids let alone now, and it's like The Last Jedi Luke times 50 in terms of "arbitrary unlikeability development." In addition to that conflict involving at least one of the characters having a child which makes it actually unredeemable, and then forcefully retroactively achieve an earlier ship. Imo not good idea.
One thing I'd like to add: When Harry gets in trouble for using Avada Kedavra, one of his defenders is (surprise!) Draco Malfoy. He understands that Harry acted on paternal instinct, as he would have done the same for Scorpius. The two finally have some common ground, and work together to bring down Delphi and her followers.
I agree. That’s one thing i’d’ve loved to see. Harry and Draco’s feud started because of a handshake. Yes, it does mature when Dray gets his dark mark, but that’s the basis of it. It’s totally and utterly childish. Even at the end of book 7, Harry and Dray don’t hate each other. They’re not fighting for the sake of fighting. They understand it was childish, and empathises with the other for the reasoning behind what they did, as well as both feeling sorry for what they did, and feeling thankful for the other. I mean, they both saved each other’s lives, for god’s sake.
He doesn't brag about it though, but every train scene, while Harry is talking albus' ear off about his misadventures, scorpius is going "daaaaaad the common room is so cold and daaaaaamp i already miss home" Alternative: scorpius writes letters. "Dear father. Today, I tried to teach albus how to do a jellylegs jinx. It really isn't that hard, I don't get how he doesn't understand, but i swear the 20th time i had to unjellify my legs was enough. When you were at hogwarts, did you ever have trouble with spells? Any good advice for albus? He needs it. Sincerely, your son, scorpius malfoy. P.S. albus says to send his love and to tell mother to send more cookies next time you write"
Same, I don't even like Harry Potter. I think I read half of the first book and watched the early movies as a kid, but that scene would be so cool due to the nature of Avada Kedavra and harry using it
TL;DR: It would be cooler if he uses sectumsempra instead. I think it would have been almost better if he uses sectumsempra, but the dude still dies from bleeding out because nobody knows the countercurse. It would one, still kill the guy, two, be far more brutal, and show some interesting character development for Harry and parallels to the original. In the scene with him and Draco in the Half-Blood Prince(going off the books), Harry uses it without him knowing what it does and is distraught. Showing him using it while knowing what it does would show that he's not just a 16-year-old anymore. He's a war hardened adult. It would also work really well if he panics a little bit after the guy dies. In this scenario, it was used with intent to harm, not to kill and he had never outright tried to kill someone in the past, not even Voldemort who died because his own spell rebounded. In the spur of the moment, he forgets that nobody knows the countercurse, and it shows what could have happened to Draco if Myrtle hadn't been there to yell for help. Harry doesn't fully panic like he does with Draco, but he is shocked. This also shows Albus that his father isn't perfect. That, and I just think it would be cool.
@@imgayyyy2213 And it would also probably be easier for Hermione o pull strings to get him out of trouble for using a cure that few wizards even know about
Bríon O'Sullivan I've always wanted to see him use it and the psychological afect it will have on him. The curse that destroyed his life. The curse he survived twice. The curse that killed his parents, friends, mentors.
Same. I thought that was going to be a whole different thing though and it just got dropped. Like, the magical McGuffin could be a mind control device of sorts and the evil wizards are trying to turn Harry Potter into the new dark lord.
Forever Forgetfull nah, I seriously doubt people would be that shocked by a spell that makes people bleed profusely. Also, such a spell would be a much less shocking act than the killing curse; aiming to cause injury in defense is way more acceptable to the government that aiming to kill. And I’m pretty sure if Harry got super-protective and used the first curse that came to mind to prevent any possibility of the attacker hurting his son, he would probably use Avada Kedavra
Tbh I'd prefer it if this just didn't exist and I'd get a canon marauders story instead. Edit: Four years later and I no longer want any stories whatsoever by the terf in chief.
I agree but J.K.R should write it so then it won't get messed but like this book because only she and i mean *ONLY SHE* should write Harry Potter. But ... *THAT'S JUST A GAME THEORY*
They upset themselves by adding two characters who weren't going to be together. And by letting Jk think it was a good idea to let other people write The Curse Child.
Speak for yourself. i think it's brilliant. Im against extramarital affairs, but at least they could develop feelings for each other, aknowledging them and both being frustrated because they cannot act upon them. It would add some character development as they deal with adulthood issues, and both Harry and Hermione remain as loyal and respectful partners despite their feelings for each other
Harry Potter is also a Children's Story. Lot's of kids have to deal with the fall out of their parents having an affair and it could have been a really interesting way to try and introduce some lessons about the wrong and right ways to handle and cope with it.
JK Rowling is fucking awful at writing romance and Hermione and Ron an Harry and Ginny both came out of left field and made no fucking sense. She even admitted that Hermione ending up with Ron was a mistake. Adding the Affair makes Hermione, a fucking mary sue of a character, and Harry, who everyone stans for, more flawed and more human.
@@whazatt236 I see what you're saying, it's a very valid point of view, I got interested in your opinion. Tell me, since you think that Harry Potter turning into a drama is quite bad, you find the "affair plot" a bad one too right?
Sorry, but I feel that's the worse kind of drama. The whole 'Oh, it was just a misunderstanding' is generally just a cheap way to add a false sense of drama whilst not having to write flaws into your characters.
I think that the affair addition is a great idea story-telling wise and character *development* wise, but doesn't seem like something that Hermione or Harry would ever do character wise. Edit: I think maybe having the two framed for the affair would fit better. You'd still get the marital betrayal and the hermione getting fired plot points.
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange maybe even have a Rita Skeeter fan, if not the character herself, lead the charge on the frame up, have a little revenge subplot in there, and to extend on it, also link Delphi to it and the political opposition, so the final act can be sorting that out as opposed to/as well as the relationship problems, or is that getting a bit too black and white?
I like the idea of teasing the question of an affair. But not actually having it be the case. Have that be a red herring for something else. Also I believe that the toffee line is just a hat tip to McGonagall's "Have a biscuit, Potter".
I agree, make the audience think they are referring to an affair, but they are actually referring to a case Harry is working on. or something like that.
The problem I have with that is that "Have a biscuit, Potter" was something of a character building moment. It shows that McGonagall is just as frustrated with Umbridge as Harry is, and therefore rewards him for standing up to her, even if officially she has to punish him for it. The toffee, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't have any meaning like that.
I don't agree with everything here, but I really like the idea of Harry using the killing curse. He used the other two in the books so it's not impossible for him. I'd also like to see Draco Malfoy get some development. Maybe Harry and him could become friends since their sons are getting along?
I could see this being a waaay better conflict issue rather than something like an affair. Maybe it could be like Draco has been an informant for Harry and the two start to become friends slowly over time. However, Harry knows that no one would understand so he becomes secretive about it which causes his friends to be concerned causing even more conflict. ( it would be cool if he was using Draco's help and connections to solve a case he is working on and was keeping it a secret to protect the ones he loves. He gets to actually know the real Draco [who I believe is a good person that was raised poorly] and a friendship develops) Understandably, Hermonie would be furious to find out that Harry is becoming friends with Draco with everything that happened. Ron would obviously take Hermonie's side in the matter but would try to quietly smooth things over which ends poorly. Ginny would take Harry's even though she is very concerned by his behavior. (especially if he used the killing curse) It would put a huge rift between the friends and create a more realistic, and slightly less overused, plot point that would make for some interesting character development....the betrayal would still be there in a different form but it leaves more room for their relationships to be repaired.
@@maucat29 Or maybe he was blackmailed to date Pansy Parkinson by the enemies because he isn’t a part of the enemy team, then he’s blamed for it, and he gets framed for a murder, after a bit of back and forth, they both (Harry and Draco) are on acquaintances by the end of the story, and their terms develop, enemies to good terms, to acquaintances. So, their terms lay on Harry’s trial when he uses the (I changed it a bit) Cruciatus Curse on a masked figure.
ok but, “She’s like my sister,” he went on. “I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It’s always been like that. I thought you knew.”
While I agree, I think the guy's main point was to keep the audience interested. Though I guess there can be other ways to keep the audience interested
@Ahmad Toqeer Excuse me, what did I do to deserve that profanity? Also, I don’t understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the Cursed Child is bad? If you are I totally agree. What do you mean by “what’s Hermione fault”? I do not understand.
@Ahmad Toqeer Oh, that makes sense! And I don’t hate Hermione, I hate the ship of Harry and Hermione (which I believe is sometimes called Hairmione, but I’m not sure). I just think that the two characters do not work well together.
I think if there was a list of "DO NOT DO THAT" when writing a harry potter FANFICTION would feature in bold, underlined in glowing ink: "Voldemorts child" Directly above "Wizard Back to the future".
Hearing "Voldemords child" always makes me remember that in order for her to have been born Bellatrix would have had to land in the sheets with post resurrection Voldemord at least once, spent 9 months in his service while pregnant, had to interrupt her gleefully torturing for bathroom breaks every few hours and that a bunch of death eaters had to help deliver a baby. I don't know why that weirds me out so much but I just can't take Delphi seriously because of this.
This is a three-year-old video, but I have to commend you for making a far more compelling narrative than that the official script had to offer. However, like most people in the comments, I'd change one part: the affair between Harry and Hermione. I feel like a more interesting way to create a rift in their respective families lies not in a shoehorned affair (when the characters have previously and adamantly rebuffed assumptions that they are attracted to each other), but in the very real repercussions of marrying your childhood sweetheart- who is also a fellow child soldier. The couples in Harry Potter do have chemistry (specifically Hermione/Ron), but you have to consider the context in which they were formed: there was a war going on, and tensions were running high. Ginny's childish crush on Harry evolved into marriage when he reciprocated during a time of great stress in his life. Of course, this could lead to a good, stable relationship- but there's an equal chance that it wouldn't. Has Harry really learnt to appreciate Ginny has a person instead of just his girlfriend by the time they decided to wed? Does he resent the fact that he feels like he jumped the gun and didn't consider other options? The only "girlfriend" he had prior to it all was Cho Chang, and that was similarly dysfunctional and trauma-based. The same can be said of Ron and Hermione, especially because they have a tendency to bicker. Maybe there are RUMOURS flying around about Harry and Hermione having an affair, seeing as they are co-workers and there is prescience for the media to promote the couple (as seen in the Goblet of Fire). Maybe this causes Ron to re-awaken his jealously streak, although he tries to tell himself that he's changed (and therefore represses it). Maybe this causes Hermione to withdraw from her friends, because she feels that her professionalism is being mocked by the rumour, and her sense of self-pride will not allow it. Maybe Ginny takes it at face-value and blows up at Harry, considering that she's known for her fiery temper and stubborn sensibilities. And maybe it plants a seed of self-doubt within Harry; was he ever meant to settle down, especially since his idyllic happy ending is falling to pieces? I just feel the implications here lead to far more interesting and multi-faceted explorations of characters and their relationship dynamics, rather than having it just be an outright affair.
10/10 Damien. The rest of his suggestions were pretty solid, but his Harry-Hermione affair is just as subpar as the other criticisms he highlighted in the CC. Your addition to his version makes a damn good Potter book. Pity we were given such asinine drivel by Rowling and her friends :(
Instead of them actually having an affair, make it so that the Tabloids report that they had an affair. The audience shouldn't know for sure whether they did and it should only be hinted at. Then with the curse idea have Ginny at saint Mungoes cursed and lying catatonic in her bed with Ron holding her hand and refusing Harry to get near her and he accuses them both of having an affair. There's a hard to watch scene where they fight and a touching moment where Ron realises that he's being a fool believing the newspapers instead of his best friend as a callback to book 4 and they all hug and swear to solve the cases once and for all for Ginny's sake.
A good way to bring back Rita Skeeter as a secondary antagonist. Skeeter would have been grinding her ax against Hermione ever since the Triwizard Tournament. Only this time she's using a pseudonym, although you have a feeling it's her and all the clues are there. Once the reveal is made, it could be good comic relief.
How bout instead of the affair- take that out completely- the dirt they dig up on Harry and hermione is hermione covering up him using the killing curse. That would be awful for the “chosen one” and of course his BFF is gonna cover it up. It will look like hermione is unstable and not able to make good decisions and Harry look evil and changed. Just have Ron or Ginny still get hurt and make that the conflict that hermione or Harry’s spouse may die or go crazy. Hermione still loses her job. Harry still loses his. The family still goes through tremendous loss from either Ron/Ginny. And maybe after that Harry and hermione can get together if it’s important to you lol
Yeah I agree that it would be character assassination to have Harry and Hermine cheat. I get that characters change over time but I feel that would be taking it a little too far
Apart from the affair between Harry and Hermione, I like it. Harry and Hermione would NEVER cheat. Let alone with each other. They are best friends, please let them be that. There are MANY adult problems that they can face. I think Harry and Hermione could have a different secret, like maybe they know that Ginny is fatally sick and are trying to develop a forbidden spell to cure her while keeping it secret from Ron and Ginny. It would have the same consequences, Hermione and Harry losing their jobs, Ron being mad at Harry and Hermione for lying to him.
@@feli638 of course. But as a writer I know character development and change in personality can be shown through adult concepts other than infidelity. I'd rather have them be friends because ultimately HP series is about bonds and friendships... The love that goes between people and Harry and Hermione's friendship is based on deep understanding not something as superficial as lust... it doesn't need unnecessary drama. Their friendship is pure and people need that more than these so called adult concepts.
I like the idea of the forbbiden spell. Although not necessarily to save someone in specific but in a more broad sence given her position in the Ministry. A true moral dilemma like fraud, or covering ilegal but not inherenly "bad" crimes cause you know, law it's not always fair. Something along those lines idk...
I’d say with the affair plot line maybe instead of an ongoing affair, make it a single incident in a moment of weakness for both characters. Not even something that happened in scream, just something that happened a few months back that haunts them in the present.
Finally someone who has a decent suggestion on that topic. I don’t mind the affair, but I get why some do. Your suggestion is a good potential replacement.
You could even keep the whole carmel offer happening, as it is Hermione doing it because she doesn't know what she wants and thinks Harry might want to again. Harry turning it down is because he feels guilty about it all, but doesn't want to make a big deal out of it and make Hermione feel worse or rejected.
I really like that idea. Or nothing happened off screen in the past or present.....they just have a wistful "...yknow....we could have maybe been something more, couldn't we....oh well....so it goes....we at least have others who love us....but we will never forget our bond..." A bittersweet and complicated moment of regret and acceptance, and their true romantic partners remind them in the story as things progress how much they mean to them.
Instead of them actually cheating I would just bring back jealous Ron, and have him suspicious and insecure about Harry and Hermione's relationship. Great vid!
Easy.... I read these books as a kid... Ive read these books to my nieces and nephews when they were children ....they are now reading the later books. I plan on reading these books to my kids.... The book series is marketed as a children's book series ... so they are children's books. I'd prefer my children's books to be kept as children's books... pure. Harry for all his flaws is still a role model as JK Rowling intended....his main trait is - he doest abandon his friends- ie loyalty... so by having him abandon his friends would drastically alter his character. other than that Id prefer... and I am aware that yes.. I am saying I'd prefer...and due to that I am being selfish... But, I'd prefer for the integrity of the story to remain intact... and by integrity - I mean - the big 3. Ron, Hermione and Harry....they are complementary characters. Id prefer the integrity of a children's books series that has shaped a generation to remain rigid/sound. By breaking up the big 3...for the sake of injecting "real world drama/issues" ..it takes away the fantasy of the Wizarding World of Harry Potter and it shows a lack of integrity. By adding that little ..harry/hermione side plot ... you destroy the trust and love that is the big 3 ..by destroying the relationships around the big 3 = by all intents and purposes you unravel the entire story- as the entire story revolves around the big 3 and those who are connected to the big 3. Harry is an orphan boy who comes from a home that doesn't love him . He doesn't have any friends until ... Ron... then Hermione.... Harry doesnt know what motherly/family love is ..until Mrs. Weasley/the weasleys ...whom is connected to Ron. The Rest of the story is Harry going on adventures...with hermione and Ron. The big 3 as a unit is integral for the story of HP so to just cast aside one of the pillars of the world ...for "literary spice" is lazy writing and destructive. This video(from Austin..a youtuber that i like) is about what he would do to rewrite a legit canon HP story ..not a HP fanfic. I'll be honest .. I do not remember why I posted that on this particular comment. Other's.. I remember and understand but this particular one - I have no idea
Something else, maybe have Al struggle the hardest with Expeliarmus specifically. Given how it was the spell that defeated voldemort, it would probably gain a lot of traction in universe. Having Albus fail at that spell, not only one so popular but also his dad's signature move, that would definitely help with Albus feeling more like he's ruining his dad's legacy in a way.
Tbh I can only picture Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter. Maybe because I grew up with him playing Harry Potter and everytime I see this guy I immediately think "Harry Potter" for a sec.
I'll give Austin this; his version is WAY better. But the affair makes me a TAD bit uncomfortable... Also, the Avada Kadavra feels super wrong but I think it would fit TL;DR It's awesome but I would STILL not consider it canon IMO
ARandomDude To be honest I don’t like the Avada Kadrava thing because it seems way overboard/out of character. It should’ve been that other spell Harry used early on, the one that cuts them as if with a sword (I forget it’s name)
I think you should have used Draco more. On the other hand though, I think the only reason he was cool in the Cursed Child was because he was the only original person who was furthered as a character and changed.
yeah, your version doesnt give Draco any development. at least u should show how he deals with Scorpius's friendship with Albus. How he is having issues with Scorpius because of that
WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms perhaps he could start off as a secondary antagonist, then become minister, then having his character change and send his men to help the main characters in the final battle and end up a good guy and a good father . perhaps he should destroy the mcguffin to show his character change. Perhaps ginny/ron should arrive to save the day with him and his ministry men.
Interesting point. Draco was the only character in which we saw some depth and growth. I don't think that says so much about Draco as much as it points out how very badly the original trio were handled in Cursed Child.
The way I would do Draco is make him a hardened character who is ashamed of his past, he can be the only character who suffers from some form of PTSD from the wizard war. He sees his son as a form of redemption and wants him to break his family linage and just be a good person. Also make him much more mature then Harry. Have harry still hold on to the childish bullying but have Draco move past it and see harry as a friend (even though Harry's will still hold hatred towards him). Part of the blowout between harry and his son can be something along the lines of harry talking about how he used that curse on Draco (in half blood prince I believe) but he doesn't feel remorse over it. Eventually have it so their arch ends with Draco and Harry having some amount of respect for each other and they are working together to be better fathers because neither one of them grew up with a conventual father figure.
I like everything but the affair. I would rather see the affair be a red herring of sorts. Lead the audience to believe they could be having an affair but have it all turn out to be nothing. Some of the characters could also believe there was an affair or characters could feel some animosity thinking there is an affair and have it sorted out in the end. Otherwise, this version was great and I would buy this book in a heartbeat
@@Greennoob2 Maybe it could be that they’re spending extra time in the office, and one day Hermione comes into Harry to give him Valentines Day chocolates and a card (which was bewitched by Romilda Vane, by the way), Romilda puts love potion in the chocolate, and the two start going to coffee together until Harry realizes it’s a love potion. After that, Harry traces back and looks at the card, it says Hermione’s name, so Harry thinks Romilda framed Hermione, but that doesn’t leave them on good terms.
I think it’d work best if Ginny is the one cursed by Delphi. It’s a fair callback to Chamber of Secrets where the goal was very similarly “save Ginny from a curse” and it keeps all three members of the main trio active in the fight against Delphi and the New Death Eaters. Even moreso, I think it’s a great way to explore the themes of adulthood more in depth if Ron is the one who leaves and who takes out Delphi. Rob was always the optimist in their trio and seeing him leave Hermione bc he’s heartbroken feels like a good way to explore that they aren’t kids anymore. Plus, just watching him come in on Delphi and say something epic would be a great character moment for him.
That's a good way to give Ron more screentime. Personally I would've had Ron cursed because if he were the one to find out I would see him having the screaming match of the century with Hermione and leaving Hermione in tears as he went to hunt down Harry to duke it out with him. That puts too much attention on the adults for a story that was supposed to be about their children. Meanwhile if Ginny were the one to find out then she'd probably scream at Harry, slap him, pack up her stuff, and leave while Harry looks down in utter shame.
@Riri Pari I can definitely see how that has the potential to shift focus really far in one direction, but I feel like how much focus Ron would put on the adults depends on the execution of the scenes. Theoretically we could have one scene where Ron finds out and freaks out on Hermione, leaves to fight Harry, and then a scene that progresses the kids’ story a bit (but a heavier scene to keep the emotional momentum), before cutting back to a scene where Harry and Ron fight with Ron losing enough that he exits in a rage so it makes sense why we don’t see him again until the climax. I guess all of these problems of executing ideas and keeping momentum and not detracting focus wouldn’t exist if Ron was the one who got cursed, but I feel like Ginny wouldn’t provide enough drama for the adult side of the story.
@@JyujinPlus I thought it was sad that Ginny and Ron are so interchangeable for the purposes of this story. Just goes to show that the stupid play did them a huge disservice
Plus in the deathly Hallows ron was the one who left because of tensions and had concerns over Harry and Hermione already so itd be a hint back to the original films while adding texture to the drama
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development. The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Still doesn't mean it isn't fanficky to introduce cheating and the love affair... It isn't to say viability but the JOKE was the merit of the fanfic nature of it. No need to dig too deep. We all know about the chemistries.
@@FraserSouris Yeah but I'm making a joke about the comment the video creator said about disliking a certain potential decision-making because it would be fanficky.... I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the "pot calling the kettle black", I don't understand what you're doing though.
I would have liked to see Albus "prove himself" in a Slytherin way (aka save the day in a Slytherin way) that Harry wouldn't have chosen. This would allow him to see the positive in being "not-Harry" (get character development + self worth) while recognising his own strengths.
Yeah, I’m planning to do that, because in my books, he saves the day by doing very Gryffindor-like antics, I feel like I should’ve edited that, I feel like that’s why not a lot of people are interested.
I would have Albus be the one to kill the "New" Death Eater that's attacking Harry. After being knocked down, and seeing his father in the crosshairs of a Death Eater, Albus freezes, and beings to cry...until he hears a small voice in the back of his mind. "You can protect him. You know the spell" Harry takes the fall for Albus, but Albus is conflicted because that was the first time ever that he was able to use a spell on the first try, flawlessly.
I don't agree with the love affair idea but I love everything else, especially Harry using the killing curse to protect his son as it would work out so well with Harry's character. Especially that every time Harry has ever used an unforgivable was to protect someone he cares about, the imperius in gringotts so hermione and Ron wouldn't be fount out about, the cruciatus at Carrow when he disrespects McGonogall and spits on her, and finally the killing curse to protect his son from danger it goes so well with Harry's noble nature and urge to protect the people he loves and cares about
Me too I hated that like that would never happen it should never happen. Ron and Harry are best friends and so are hermione and Harry and Ron and Ginny are siblings that’s just so messed up and I don’t think that Harry would ever do that or even consider it and they should not even have those feelings for each other they never did through the first seven books
The Chosen One does not sleep with his best friends wife. No way in hell. I think it is very important for grown harry to not be morally corrupt in order to be believable as cannon.
@@morganshaw1139 things change when u grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or smtng. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child
This is so good I continued listening and couldn't wait to hear what happened next. This video is literally far more entertaining than the whole Cursed Child book.
I got chills when you talked about Harry using Avada Kadavra. I personally dislike the part where Harry and Hermione have an affair. Ginny and Harry should be in love, so you can’t add this in without giving a reason for Harry and Ginny to be in a bad part of their relationship. Not to mention that Hermione is a good person. She is supposed to be kind and caring, and would never stoop to cheating
Alexandra Pippan and people can have affairs in a perfectly happy marriage. I kind of like it because it adds some really intense stakes, but I also get how it could go against the character’s personalities a bit
@@jackdavenport5011 but that's the point, though. It goes against the characters' personalities (not just a bit but completely) without any reason except for "I don't know any other way to raise the stakes of the plot". Which is a stupid reason for making the characters' personalities change completely. The plot should develop because of the characters, not the other way round. And there are a lot of "high stakes adult problems" Harry or Hermione, or Harry and Hermione could have that arise FROM THEIR CHARACTERS rather than inventing this one that requires major bending of who Harry and Hermione actually are.
Listen, I was liking where this was going before you mentioned Harry and Hermione have an affair. I mean come on, there was a whole deal in the deathly hallows on how Harry would never do that to Ron.
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development. The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris dude you've copied and pasted this answer so much wth Harry and Hermione have no chemistry. They feel and act like siblings, and all of their "screentime" is them disagreeing and Harry (in his internal monologue) describing how much he'd prefer to be hanging out with Ron. Hermione and Ron make objectively more sense, they've constantly had moments of chemistry throughout the series. Their constant bickering is affectionate, rather than the heated arguments Harry and Hermione have after which they refuse to speak to one another. Also what pain does Hermione understand? Throughout the series they are unable to relate to one another, the person Harry is able to relate to most is Ginny. Since most of his trauma comes through Voldemort possessing him, Ginny's story in the second installment allows her to be one of the few people that *can* actually understand Harry's pain. If anything, I could see Harry talking to Ron about his pain rather than Hermione, something that fits the original characterization. Even though there is a 19 year gap between this, I don't think their inherent characterization would have changed that much. Harry is still the same Harry, and the same goes for Hermione, Ron, and Ginny. They've all grown up, and matured but they don't change much- and neither should their reasons for being together. There are other ways for these relationships to break for this to be a compelling story, but whatever way is chosen should align with their characterization. Having an affair- not it.
@@hyacinth4369 You are wrong with many of your assertions. Firstly, Harry and Hermione do have chemistry. There are plenty of sequences where they chill together, where Harry is glad Hermione is with him and times where he wishes she was with him when she isn't. Using their bickering as a counter doesn't work because Harry bickers with Ron and Hermione bickers with Ron as well in ways where calling it affectionate is debatable. During Goblet of Fire for example, Ron all but abandons Harry until after the first trial and Hermione is the only one there supporting him. Harry doesn't initially make fun of SPEW and Hermione's efforts to her like Ron does. There's a reason why many were caught off guard by Ron and Hermione coming together. Because prior to Book 7, they were the ones arguably lacking chemistry and common interest. For example, Ron is chill and not fond of studying or societal improvement. Hermione is the opposite. Secondly, Hermione understands more of the pain of Harry's responsibility rather than the physical pain of being possessed by Voldemort. Because she's the one who is tasked with helping him through tough challenges that Ginny almost never helps him. To say Ginny understands more of what Harry's going through is debatable. And spending more time needing to stop Voldemort is given more screentime and focus than Harry's trauma with Voldemort which often happens in bursts rather than being an ongoing issue. To use an analogy. Imagine you got your arm injured for a week and have to go through a 6 hour marathon. You have one friend who goes the entire Marathon with you and one friend who doesn't but also hurt their arm once for a day. You're basically saying the pain of that hurt arm once overriedes the much longer and more important time in the Marathon. Thirdly, you can't prove for sure that the characters' outlooks wouldn't change after 19 years. And I have shown there's plenty of examples of chemistry between the cast to cause an affair. So having an affair does not go against their established personalities and outlook and does act as a compelling plot. Plus, even if there were other ways to break their relationship, you'd complain that also breaks their characterization.
@@FraserSouris Buddy, just admit you're an Harmione that's pissed off with people not liking the characters going OOC so you could have your pretty little ship.
That actually sounds like a fantastic rewrite of the story. Although I have to point something out: Using the killing curse doesn't get Harry to quit, but a threat to reveal his affair does? If it's to avoid a scandal, quitting his job won't get "the boy who lived only to kill" out of the tabloids. As pointed out by Cinnamon, there's no way the relationships would survive and it's somewhat soap-opera-y. I think I'd do away with the affair, if I were to attempt a rewrite, and instead have the death curse be what breaks Harry. Not just by taking his job but by actually emotionally breaking him. He'd be forced to confront the fact that he isn't a good parent and thereby putting Albus' life at serious risk (Harry himself having been saved on numerous occasions by nothing other than parental love, he'd likely put that much value on being a good parent). I'm not sure where I'd take the story from there, though.
+Matthew Ford I think the affair idea is all right. Maybe a bit out of character for Harry, but hardly unforgivably so. In the end, though, the biggest reason I left it out was simply because it didn't fit in naturally anywhere.
Why don't you get rid of the affair and just have the OG group naturally growing apart as friends do--to the point where they no longer are as close as they used to. You can use the Albus vs Harry conflict to further their divisions.
The toffee scene can be Hermione and Harry awkwardly referencing the past because they don't have anything on common now, etc. Second act is Albus crying on Ron (who'd be empathetic to his sitch, especially considering Ron's poor self esteem when he was his age). Cue Ron trying to talk to Harry about it, Harry lashing out because he's 'NOT VERNON, HOW COULD YOU RON???' Hermione trying to play peace-maker but screwing up and suddenly it's a three-way conflict of team og
Harry and Hermione don't have to have an affair. In the original harry potter books, Harry and Hermione were the true best friends, because they could both tell each other things that they couldn't tell Ron. I always read it, from Harry's perspective anyway, that Hermione was more of a sister to him, because when they met Harry was longing for family and he was prepubesent. The rest of the changes though I really like and even with the affair I still like this version better than the one they went with.
"Kill all the lights in the theatre. The only thing the audience can see is the green skull in the rafters." As someone who loves theatre, I *adore* this description. I really feel like I'm there, watching your version of the play.
Instead of having an affair, make it like Rita skeeter saying there's an affair, tabloids love to dramatise celebrities creating doubt etc. It would create the same tension for harry/hermiones careers.I just see an actual affair between these two. But the adult themed idea has merit. Also instead of brushing past harry using the killing curse directly have it be a theme that people think he's turning into a villain. Or have a stupefy spell go badly leading to the death of new death eater.
I like the idea of a false tabloid affair better than an actual one. And focusing more on Harry using the killing curse and getting off because he's friends with Hermione could serve as the reason she ends up loosing her job
You forgot a big part. Making Harry and Draco friends. Best of friends, even. I’ve seen so many headcanons of Draco joining the original trio from the very start, and it sort of breaks my heart that Draco never really got a good development/redemption arc. I think Draco is a very interesting and intriguing character to write, and the cursed child could’ve really fledged out his character more!
HE could’ve been the cursed child! Cursed by his upbringing, warping his views and behavior, but then he finally gets a fleshed out redemption arc and overcomes his “curse” and breaks the “curse” by having raised his son better.
I dunno. Making Draco a half decent dad was good enough for me. He doesn't have to be bffs with the main character to show growth and I feel like that would have been a stretch considering the lack of proper setup in previous books. I love Draco as much as the next guy, but that sort of chumminess with Harry would just feel jarring and even more fanfiction-esque.
I think the affair is unneccessary to raise the stakes. I dont think Harry and Hermione would cheat, let alone with each other for so long. Give something for the Weasleys to do Ron and Ginny frankly do jackshit and its like everyone forgot that they are spunky capable wizards in their own right.
Zynel it’s not a bad format. It’s just overused. Here it was used to imply that he said it out of nowhere. While many people just put it at the start of their joke, this is a terrible example to criticize.
Yeah, FFS, that's out of chatracter for both of them unless you go to some lengths to explain why, and also adds nothing to the plot. Just no. Edit: it's a very good point that his name is the fucking title, but a better fix would be to, you know, change the title. Rowling's wizarding world is not exactly unknown at this time. You can drop "Harry Potter" and not be afraid the play won't sell.
@@safe-keeper1042 I really don't see how it is out of character, 19 years have passed, maybe Ron and Harry's relationship has gone sour. This was originally a point of tension in the 7th book wasn't it, people are too worried about keeping their precious characters pure, they need to have flaws and are not schoolchildren any more. Also "adds nothing too the plot" did you not watch the video. Finally having it not be a Harry Potter book is not something JK Rowling would do, she has a massive series that she can sell tickets off, why would she not, that's stupid from a marketing point of view, that's why it is marketed as "the next chapter in the story", it says it right on the back.
"Second year! It's a big year. My second year was tough... Everybody thought I had opened Salazar Slytherin's Chamber of Secrets and released a giant bloodthirsty serpent in the castle, attacking students... Of course, your mother actually _did_ do that, but more on that another time."
He and Hermione also used the mind control unforgivable curse in the Deathly Hallows, followed by a Cruciatus against the evil Dark Arts teachers who taught how to use said Cruciatus curse on students who misbehaved (i.e. were part of Dumbledore’s Army). So with this Harry would have ended up using all three Unforgivable Curses.
An affair isn't out of character. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development. The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
First off, I love this idea. This would've been so much better than what we got. It's an interesting story that really focuses on character development and plot more than cameos and fan service. However, I have to disagree about the affair. Ignoring the kind of people Harry and Hermione are, who would most likely never feel good about doing something like that, it also undermines the romantic development from JK about Harry and Ginny or Ron and Hermione. I would instead have Harry resign over using the killing curse, a secret he decides to keep from his friends to keep his job. That way, there would still be a loss in trust between the OG gang without risking crossing into fanfic territory.
Sometimes people do things they don't feel good about. People affairs are not usually two evil people trying to hurt their partners, it's more complicated. The complicated nature is what makes it good. It also shows that Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny are real people and not angelic characatures.
Ultra Nerd I'm afraid I disagree. We watched Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny were still very young when we left their story. People grow, change and events happen that lead to things you wouldn't imagine when you're 18. In all honesty an affair doesn't sound that much like fan fiction; fan fiction would have Harry and Hermione having left their partners because they're also attempting to maintain a sense of purity of the characters get dynamics shown in the original series. It would also ground the characters in reality by showing they have faults.
In this version, Rose and Scorpius’ feelings for each other could be really written out and make it almost like forbidden because of their parents position. It also gives Malfoy the chance to continue being an awful person at heart but with a changed perspective
You could also do a opposition like: Hermione and Ron tell their daughter to hate Scorpius for being Malfoy's son (like how Malfoy's dad told his son to hate Hermione for her being a mudblood aka because of her parents).
To me it just read as believable. Honestly I could see Hermione having an affair with someone else (I've never really seen how Hermione and Ron go together, and that's not coming from hating Ron). Harry doesn't seem to get along that well with hermione during the books, they're just completely different. I could see hermione having an affair with someone intellectually equal to her, even if she does still live Ron.
@@johnmorrell3187 It feels like it goes along with the idea of Harry being unable to properly connect with people. He's literally saved the world but now will never do anything like that again, so he's just stagnating, and has an affair with one of his oldest friends as a way of reconnecting with his past, albeit in a more adult manner. It's a much darker, more depressing take on a future Harry Potter, but I can see it working. That said, ANYthing set in the future is going to sound like fanfiction.
Yeah, whatever you do, don't give the hero of your story flaws or let them make mistakes to humanize them a bit or else the fanboys will rip you apart. This is also known as The Last Jedi Rule. Disclaimer: I liked The Last Jedi, including all of its flaws in storytelling.
How many times in the original books have you been dissapointed by the actions of one of the main cast during the book only to feel proud for them at the end for overcoming that "dissapointing" behaviour? Like when Ron left the team at the middle of book 7 only to come back and save Harry. I do not like the thought of Harry being unfaithful to Ginny either but by the end they decide to "pick up the pieces of whats left and move on". All I'm saying is that this technique was used many times and I think that something like this would make for a great moment for the characters I love.
Roomba Boi Neutral Question: What do you feel would be a tame enough character flaw that would make HP fans happy, seem in line with Harry's character, and causes the internal struggle within the consumer to make the flaw intriguing?
I actually wouldn't have minded the time travel bit if they had stuck to their own canon that everything they do in that time loop has already happened.
@@7lawaneeena Exactly. Like, maybe they try to alter things and with only the story from harry to go on it looks like events are actually changing? Inbetween they would get doubts about what they are doing, grapple with the ideology of "the greater good" and slowly start to realise how bad they could mess things up. Therefore in the end they had a hand in many of the incidents themselves and suddenly Albus has to deal with his own set of guilt at pretty much, not causing them, but enabling these events to happen ? (What with him being the one that started this adventure and refused to go back until they had fixed the past.) And over the course of the story Albus also gets to learn more about his father (like in the play) and at home they bond over their shared trauma. Maybe Harry helps Albus understand that he shouldn't blame himself since he didn't know what his actions would cause and through this Harry finally realizes that he has to stop blaming himself too. While the kids are away Harry could finally get to become casual friends with Malfoy and maybe Hermione and Ron realise that they have been drifting apart etc. Scorpius and Rose would need a character moment too. Scorpius could become more self-assured (also like in the play) and Rose would also needs some character growth where she establishes herself separate from Albus and Scorpius. Not to mention giving Ginny a moment to be awesome. Oh, and Teddy should show up too. I really missed him in all the story ideas floating around.
@@lexa2310 very good, I love time travel and this is a way to have it that is actually good, with Teddy. As long as their is no scorose at the end, and instead maybe more hints of Scobus in the future, mostly the no scorose bit.
Austin you really are great with these video essays especially in a 20 - 30 min format pls more they are so rewatchable due to you having a great personality and an awesome artistic view keep up this type of amazing content Austin
Everyone: “Harry and Hermione are obviously the better couple. I wish they has gotten together” Austin: “They’re secretly having an affair now” Everyone: REEEEEEEEEEEEE
@Failingpepper 11 I disagree, but Im not in the mood for another shipping war. So I'll just say: You have your opinion, I have mine, in the end its to fictional characters so who cares?
Mmmmmm... No. I agree that Ginny is too good for Harry, but I don't think Hermione is perfect for him either. During the shipping wars, I was in the side that defended that JK should introduce a new character as a love interest for Harry before the end of the books.
@@halfdraco7765 and ginny does? all her cool scenes were taken out of the movies and in the books ron had more hero moments too cause he was more often where the action was. i would love to see ginny save the day
They completely RUINED time turners in the play, 100%. Just cut all of it out. Come on, the time turners didn't change anything in the previous books, you just go back to actually do it. And I liked it like that.
I know, the "self-fulfilling" aspect of Rowling's time travel cut out so many cliches and boring storylines, while adding a fun and interesting sort of Chekhov's Gun to the story.
Exactly!! In the original books/movies before Harry even goes back he sees his future Petronus (idk how to spell it) already there saving him so it’s like they just completely changed the rules of the time turner
Annie Skywalker they did just absolutely change the time turner rules. In the books when you return from time traveling you age the amount of time you traveled so if this story was canon, the time traveling teens with Delphi would have aged about 25 years
Yeah, like don’t get me wrong what he said during the nine and three quarter sections I interpreted less as “Hey look how cool I was” And more “Hey son I did a cool thing let’s try and connect by my telling you about it.” But besides that I’m in agreement
Cause this is not Harry. Not any of the characters are like what they were supposed to be. Harry Potter and the cursed child is just not a part of the original story at all. Don't want to be rude but the existence of this 8th book is quite stupid, but this guy made it still quite better.
@@goddhoward388 you know, it could work if harry was talking qbout it like he thought that sort of thing was just normal stuff. He doesnt need to be purposefully bragging, he could just think its par for the course.
Melodie-Allyn BenEzra yes! And along that parallel he could get better as the new trio goes on their adventure like Neville did after he got his own wand and trained with the DA.
That’s exactly what I thought! ‘My family all thought I was a squib.’ And then when Nev tells about being dropped out of the window you’re like, child abuse, because seriously, Uncle Algie was distracted? Seriously? He had a child in his hands.
Melodie-Allyn BenEzra - Which would make Harry’s treatment of him in this new version even stupider. Neville would probably say something to Harry about how everyone thought he was weak and look where he was now. Harry would set about tutoring Albus, even talking to him about the DA and how he managed to turn bumbling, nearly a squib Neville into a badass who helped turn the tide at the battle of Hogwarts. Obviously Harry doesn’t expect him to do something like that, but just because he’s not strong now doesn’t mean he won’t grow, and Harry would be right by his side helping however he can.
@@flyingninjafish1558 I didn't care for Harry's attitude towards his son Albus in Cursed Child. It bothers me to no end that he fails to learn the very specific life lesson he SHOULD have learned. Practically every adult in Harry's life failed to take Harry's personal feelings into account. Rather, everyone had expectations. Harry should have considered this. But no. He only has expectations for Albus, and does not take his thoughts and feelings seriously until FAR too late. I think of "The Cursed Child" as bad fanfiction.
How to fix Harry Potter and the Cursed Child: Step 1: Gather all copies of the script and put them in a big pile Step 2: Apply lighter fluid liberally Step 3: Apply lit match to the pile Step 4: Break out the S'mores
Cate Hamilton Wow, the tables have turned. Back in the day weak-willed, Bible-thumping fundamentalists burned Harry Potter books, some twenty years later and look what we're contemplating...
It's rather out of character for the abused orphan Harry, who's deepest wish in first year was for _family_ to cheat, and with Hermione at that. So, imo, make it a frame-up, _Reeter Skeeter Tabloid_ style case, while it's really just an extension of the platonic relationship they've had for the last 30 years. Maybe Ron and Hermione have been having problems at home, and Harry's a sympathetic ear? -- Rather than an AK, have Harry throw something nasty, lethal, but _legal._ Both as a way to illustrate that Harry, over the last 19+ years, has learned, grown, and become a powerful member of the Auror corps, working with knowledge and skill over dumb luck, and throws shades of grey into the character, and magic in general, rather than Light Magic, Dark Magic! The Use of Lethal Force still results in an investigation, suspension, whatever. -- IMO Ginny being the one cursed, in a dark reflection of the Chamber of Secrets storyline. Then the Tabloid piece drops. Ron explodes, full on row, and leaves a la DH. Have Hermione ousted from office if needed, but _legally._ Not necessarily in a vote of no-confidence, or impeachment... Maybe it's just elections? The stress of Political campaigning could be a contributing factor to the marriage difficulties Ron and Hermione have been having. -- Delphi being the daughter of Voldemort actually works on some level, since it could be considered a callback to the 'Pureblood Dogma' shtick relating to the Neo-Death Eaters. That said, in order to make her her own villain, don't play up the Voldemort side too much, focus more on the idea that she's _Bellatrix's_ daughter, and a Lestrange (albeit not by blood). Give her neo-DEs some nasty darker magic, not just the 'Unforgivables,' and show what the implications are behind that too. Maybe even the same spell Harry used when defending Albus at the train station. -- Finally, don't forget that Harry and Ginny have three children (and a Godson), and Ron and Hermione have two. Bit parts or not, James exists, Lily exists, and it's easy character development to have Albus interact with other members of his family than just an estrangement with his dad.
Chrono Pie Love all of your ideas. I did notice Teddy’s absence. Teddy is important because he has no family, making him a mirror image of young Harry. I’m curious to know what happened to him.
Austin: Hermoine's political rivals look for dirt on her in order to remove her from office, they find out she's been having an affair, the world finds out about it, Hermoine resigns from office, the public hates her, and she's lost everything Me: Has someone been listening to Hamilton?
TBH, the story should've been called something like "The Cursed Child: A Harry Potter Story"; yes we wanna see Harry Potter all grown up, but HIS story is with the original books. This book needs to be about the new generation.
@@highdefinition450 Indeed. And Austin’s premise is that the play is still Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and marketed as Book 8(despite violating the ethos of the book series). So it needs to be a Harry Potter story with a passing of the torch to the Young Guns.
6:09 “Not everything’s black and white” Well, Hermoine is. *Edit:* No need to be so racist in the comments guys. It was a good comment, we’ve had our fun, no need to go spouting off about black people in the replies
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development. The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris I'd argue that people do change, but not on such an extreme level, as well as the fact that Hermione and Harry are constantly shown in the books as serious, Hermionie especially, and she acts like the grown up version of young Hermionie, both at the end of the 7th book, and the cursed child. Harry's interactions with Ginny at the and of the 7th book and the Cursed Child don't show much, so you might be able to have it strained standalone, but both Harry's and Hermionie's personalities go against an affair between each other. And that's if they didn't care about each other's spouses, but Ron is Harry's best friend, or at least was; and Ginny is someone Hermionie knows on a personal level *and* the sister of her husband. So the two characters, who's never been shown to go blinded by love, have an affair with each other, betraying all of their closest friends and relatives, without divorcing and remarrying. I'm sorry but that makes absolutely no sense
the affair isnt a good idea. all ron's life he had to share everyting and get hand-me-downs. He even had to share friendships with hermione, he gets jealous alot and hermione's love is something he wants for himself since he loves her alot, ang imagine how heartbroken ron would feel if his best friend and his wife had an affair. And that is actually a headcanon i read somewhere.
My one issue is that Harry and Hermione having an affair doesn't fit their characterization. I agree they should have something to do, but it should fit the personality they've developed over the series. If it was a fake-out and they weren't actually having an affair, then it might work. You could even work more on Ron's insecurities he showed in book 7
What if Ron has a cuckolding fetish. They're adults now, I'm sure they figured out their fetishes. Just imagine Hermione looking Ron in the eye through the slits of the closet and yelling "Harry, you're the greatest wizard ever, Ron's wand never reached so deep into my cauldron!"
Was gonna say something about this. Harry was born and bred by loyalty. Someone being disloyal killed his parents and helped Voldemort rise to power twice. He never got to grow up with his family because of it, there is no way in hell he would jeopardize his current family and life of his son for someone with whom he'd never had feelings for. It is a COMPLETE character break and if it was written this way, would feel like a cheap attempt to build tension.
I agree with most of your changes, I think Delphini should remain being school-aged. Her backstory shouldn't be tied to Voldemort but I don't think we should Snoke it by trying to make her this elderly mysterious figure either. She could be seemingly the next Harry Potter, she's brave, powerful and cunning, the very traits that almost put Harry in Slytherin. She's a foil to Albus as she lives up to the expectation that he was meant to. However her cunning traits leads her to believe that rules, laws and morality are merely suggestions lining her path with the Death eaters where her gifted traits leads her to her own demise. This way "The Cursed Child" as a title still retains a double meaning, referring to both Albus in relation to his reputation as the child of the boy who lived whilst also referring to his foil Delphini who has been cursed with her gifted talents in spell casting, which ultimately consume her. Her conflict I think should be morality vs success, a internal battle that she ends up loosing. The old witch element just seemed to be more for the sake of it, but it didn't really play into the themes of both the original story or even your adaption. Also I'm not a fan of the affair being so _'outright'_ They can be tested but it shouldn't be something that definitive. I think there are more stronger ways their relationship tests and trails can be included. I think without a conclusion story post Cursed Child that wouldn't be a good question to leave the audience with, as it would merely frustrate them if there is no more story after that.
This!!! The out right affair to me seems a little too un-Rowling like, it should be a little more subtle and be played up in later productions, but also be small enough to be satisfying enough that if there were no follow ups, we still have a cohesive story. The big fault with this version is that it relies on the existence of a sequel, something rare in West End. But, I think that having Delphine be a bit older might also be a good idea, as it may be difficult for Potter heads to understand why their great and powerful Harry can't defeat a 16 year old girl
I like the Idea of Delphi being an ancient witch. For me, one of the coolest aspects of the Fantastic Beasts movie was learning about magic from other time periods and in other places besides Hogwarts. I think exploring ancient wizardry would be hella cool!
I definitely agree with this: having Delphi as a daughter of a meglomanic who wanted to obtain inmortaly sounds stupid, she would do better as a kind of resurrection of the old Morgan le Fey or so. Maybe she could be so old that did teach Grindlewald of Voldemort a few tricks.
I feel that idea was kind of weird and somewhat bad. Where the hell was she during the two wizarding wars? Voldemort was winning so it would have made sense for her to be at his side.
The villain should be someone with distorted ideals like the previous big bads eg. Voldemort and Grindelwald. A big bad in CC seemed shallow for a HP character.
Me in early 2017: Audiences might be willing to go for a choice this risky with the legacy characters. Me after The Last Jedi: The split between audiences would be a nightmare fire from which we would never return.
You REALLY had me up until the affair idea... I totally agree that they only developed the new characters and it makes the whole story play out like poorly written fanfic but making Harry and Hermione have an affair would not be “giving them something to do during the play” it would be undoing everything the books told us about their characters and furthering the fanfic feeling. I also REFUSE to believe Harry or Hermione would ever do that to Ron and Ginny. There HAS to be something else besides an affair that the original trio can have some drama about
An affair isn't out of character. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development. The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@cetomedo I ask how an affair is out of character? These characters were teenagers the last we saw them and it's very possible they would shift their feelings around after 20 years.
@@FraserSouris Well, they wouldn’t change their feelings in 20 years, because it never showed anything that shows that Harry loves Hermione romantically in the 19 years later chapter or scene.
9:25 I would suggest adding a bit where Harry looks at his wand in shock and realizes what he just did. (Also, I agree with everyone else that the affair is a bad idea.)
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I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development. The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Bro, it’s just to weird. Ron is Harry’s best friend in the books, I just can’t picture him doing that. It would be quite frankly completely out of character, and if your explanation for that completely out of character incredibly important change is simply a 10 years later time jump at the end of a chapter, then it would also come as really fucking lazy.
@@hjj9269 From a storytelling perspective, The whole premise of Cursed Child is that we've had that 19 year time jump and this is the consequence of the stuff that's happened in the meantime. Not that 19 years jump itself. Perhaps if that were the story it could spend more time justifying how the affair might have occurred but that's not important to this story. It's not lazy because that's just the nature of time jumps. Going back to justify it in the Cursed Child bogs down the story. So the only way such a plotline works is if it's happening before our eyes. Plus, I ask, how is it out of character? People have cheated with their best friend's spouses before. Hermione is one of the few people Harry has a personal connection to and after 19 years, could have something arise between them. Can you tell me that how you were at 17 years old is how you were in your 30's?
@@FraserSouris 12! It would, of course, work if you had an entire act showing what happened in said time gap, and some really huge events changed Hermionie and Harry's characters deeply, but both the 7th book and the current version of the cursed child book go against it. Also while people have cheated with their best friends' spouses before, that'd go against both someone who cares about everyone around him to the point that he'd sacrifice his life for those who aren't even his best friend, and Hermionie, a literal minister, and also someone who would risk her life for anyone she cares about even slightly, betray their shared closest friend, and Ginny, their friends' sister, and also someone they care about substantially. For them to both experience 180 character changes but stay as people who would risk their lives for everyone, seems like a stretch
@@hjj9269 Harry & Hermoine are also best friends, so? I mean they have a strong connection too. It is a deep betrayal but not impossible just hard for you to swallow. It's out of character cause they're 20 years older!!! Most 11 year olds don't dream of having affairs lol.
Bruh do you know how many times I've said that to my homies about a girl over the years to hide the fact that I had a massive crush? Feelings change over time brother, even if he once considered her a close friend, it is not entirely implausible that he would eventually end up developing other feelings for her as well. Imo though he wouldn't act on said feelings even IF he had a crush on Hermione, simply because it doesnt fit Harry's character at all.
@@therealmoftf4719 But the books are from Harry's POV. We see what he sees and we feel what he feels. At no point in any of the books has Harry showed remotely any attraction towards Hermione romantically. We learned that Harry had a type and it wasn't Hermione. ^^ Her argumentative personality was an issue too. Given how he grew up with the Dursleys, it's not surprising. Harry saying he's always viewed her as a sister (mainly because she acted like one towards him) matches his thoughts and actions throughout the entire series.
How to fix Cursed Child: Step one: Get all seven of the Dragon Balls. Step two: Summon Shenron. Step three: Make Cursed Child disappear and have everyone forget about it. Step four: Give the creativity back to the fans. There. Done.
You expressed what I wanted to say in a more original and practical way; whilst I was only going to suggest the erasure of the play from History, you actually provided a plan to do so. I'm not sure about step four...there's too many diverse stories and headcanons made by fans to make a coherent narrative out of it...unless you were simply saying that without CC fans don't have to (possibly) constrain their fanfics according to the play, thus only using JKR's books as a canonical source material.
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development. The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
Harry *"I MUST NOT TELL LIES"* carved-into-the-back-of-his-hand Potter, having an affair? Don't worry about genre breaks; that's a character break my man. Harry was never the strongest of wizards, nor the smartest, he wasn't even always the kindest (often times being self absorbed or chafing against the weight of the world) But he was always, unfailingly, honest and loyal. He stood by his convictions and commitments come hell or high water - for better and worse. It's only the core of his character; he wouldn't treat anyone, let alone Ginny, to an affair, even if he was unhappy. He's far too good at bearing his own suffering anyway. Plus, Ginny would kill him. But, other than that, good ideas.
Benign Viewer affairs can come from the kindest and most honest people, anyone who's lived in the world could tell you that. affairs usually don't happen because someone's unhappy, but because they're bored. someone who risked death throughout his teen years and then gets relegated to a desk job sounds like exactly the kind of person who would get bored.
If anything, that reputation and scar on the back of his hand would add to his guilt and make the situation even more dramatic for him. A person can change a lot in a few decades.
I just love this so much. I would've probably cried if I would've read that Harry used Avada Kedavra for the first time in his life to protect his son! It is so like Harry! He doesn't say to his son that he wishes he wasn't his. NO! That's not HARRY! This is Harry. He will do anything to protect the ones he love and do the right thing.
This shitty fanfic called Cursed Child is an insult to Harry Potter fans, and this video is proof a random nobody can write HP better than Rowling and her new dogs.
@@askinredroads5132 _Sometimes_ the mob is right. Just because it's a mob doesn't mean it's wrong. You have to look at the context just like anything else. In this case, it really is just a bad idea, that people just happen to be unanimous in their agreement about. Just like they're _also_ in agreement that the killing-curse bit is good.
I got stuck at minute 13. Right after you ripped off the plot of "Sky High" (Yep, a disney movie about superheros in highschool) My main problems with your take: An Affair between Harry and Hermione is super Out of character for both of them. Ron is literally Harry's brother and Hermione is just Hermione. Do you want "adult conflicts? -Ron and Hermione's marriage is having problems because she is Minister of Magic. Ron cant deal with the imbalance of their roles in the marriage and Hermione is never really home (Ron was super jealous of Harry during the Triwizard tournament, so this is not that out of character for him) -Harry and Ginny's marriage is dying because they got married super young, Ginny finally got to see harry as something more than her crush and Harry is angsty and moody and hates public attention. Harry discovers that he doesnt really have much in common with Ginny. I dont see Harry ever hurting Ron, but i see him not being the best husband. I can forgive the book underplaying Ginny, if that's a sign of their bad marriage. Other Adult conflicts: -Harry is not really the most amazing dad (as in the book) he tries and he provides but he is impatient and has a lot of expectations, he soon discovers that he is still hurting because of how he was treated as a kid by the Dursleys, and gets depressed. Draco´s redemption is really one of the best things of the book. and i HATE that you just used Draco as the bad guy again. Draco wants to do better, and that's why Scorpius is a decent kid. Voldemort lived in Malfoy manor, so im sure Draco ended up a little traumatised after the whole thing. It doesnt make sense for him to be a "villain" anymore, he is rich, he knows better, he doesnt really have a motive. Scorpius having a crush on Rose doesnt make sense. The whole let's save Cedric doesnt make sense, let's save Sirius, let's save George (or fred), let's save Lupin,... Cedric was cool and all, but no one really cared. The Delphi thing makes no sense, Voldemort was anything but human. So something as average as having a kid is just... nope. What about making Delphi, Bellatrix kid, and instead of a student, having her being a young attractive teacher or assistant or whatever.
How does this not have more likes? Your suggestions are all way more in character. _Except for with Draco;_ What if Draco has some legitimate reasons to oppose Hermione and raises some fair points about her lacking capabilities; some in-character downsides like Hermione always being to caught up in her plans, wasting time and resources on long-term projects that no one else cares about, in the middle of a financial recession? That would be a valid reason for Draco to go along with an opposition campaign. I don't see him being the instigator of such motion; there should be other, more hard-core "old guard" authoritarian wizards who think Hermione is a spineless progressive. Draco can actually back her up among his buddies, being the first guy at the right-wing tables to give her the benefit of the doubt and call for restraint and cooperation; and it's only after some great failure, especially one that puts his son at risk, that he is finally forced to call Hermione out and let his more right-wing associates go through with their opposition motions.
i agree with the draco point. he needs a redemption arc, and i can see that he actively tries not to make the same mistakes as his father which is why scorpius is who he turned out to be.
I love everything but the affair. They would never do that. Why not make it like their planning something political or something like that and it sounds like an affair. Like, they're still lying to their spouses but just not fucking each other. Keep everything but the affair. I also love how Harry uses the killing curse in a moment of weakness for his son. It kinda tells us he's not a boy anymore.
Yeah. Would have preferred if he went for something like... Because of this new, mysterious threat, Harry and Hermione were spending too much time at the office, not enough time at home. (There's even reference to this in the Cursed Child.) And perhaps, there's sensitive information coming from their investigation that they just can't discuss with their spouses. That might create the tension this 'fix' is going for without actually making them do things they would never do. However, I also don't see Harry using an Unforgivable Curse outside the context of war. Another (dangerous) spell would do.
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"Not developing the original trio makes the story feel like a fanfic"
Agreed.
"Harry and Hermione have an affair"
Wait, what?
Why critics shouldn't be writers in a shellnut.
@@SmartAlec1 did you say shellnut on purpose?
Wasn't that bad of an idea truly, making it as an ambiguous thing never confirmed would have been better tbh.
@@zachsz9320 Even ambiguous but being unconfirmed seems off putting, but to have characters betray each other and do something as childish as an affair while betraying their best friends, which was out of character when they *were* kids let alone now, and it's like The Last Jedi Luke times 50 in terms of "arbitrary unlikeability development." In addition to that conflict involving at least one of the characters having a child which makes it actually unredeemable, and then forcefully retroactively achieve an earlier ship. Imo not good idea.
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One thing I'd like to add:
When Harry gets in trouble for using Avada Kedavra, one of his defenders is (surprise!) Draco Malfoy. He understands that Harry acted on paternal instinct, as he would have done the same for Scorpius. The two finally have some common ground, and work together to bring down Delphi and her followers.
Sarah Nour YES YES YES! He hardly used Draco at all, which was my one grievance with it.
I totally agree
I agree. That’s one thing i’d’ve loved to see. Harry and Draco’s feud started because of a handshake. Yes, it does mature when Dray gets his dark mark, but that’s the basis of it. It’s totally and utterly childish. Even at the end of book 7, Harry and Dray don’t hate each other. They’re not fighting for the sake of fighting. They understand it was childish, and empathises with the other for the reasoning behind what they did, as well as both feeling sorry for what they did, and feeling thankful for the other. I mean, they both saved each other’s lives, for god’s sake.
@@DeadBore Might I remind you Draco constantly called Hermione a mudblood? Harry had legit, non-childish reasons to hate Draco.
Also draco is the one that makes Harry and Hermione lose their jobs
You left out one thing. Scorpius making his father hearing about his pointless issues. It’s a tradition.
Delphi: attacks rose and ginny/Ron
Scorp: MAH FATHER WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS
He doesn't brag about it though, but every train scene, while Harry is talking albus' ear off about his misadventures, scorpius is going "daaaaaad the common room is so cold and daaaaaamp i already miss home"
Alternative: scorpius writes letters.
"Dear father. Today, I tried to teach albus how to do a jellylegs jinx. It really isn't that hard, I don't get how he doesn't understand, but i swear the 20th time i had to unjellify my legs was enough. When you were at hogwarts, did you ever have trouble with spells? Any good advice for albus? He needs it.
Sincerely, your son, scorpius malfoy.
P.S. albus says to send his love and to tell mother to send more cookies next time you write"
And then Draco realizes how utterly annoying he was
Yeah and then Scorpius will have his own Fan girl club without really trying haha
xD
The entire scene of Harry using the unforgivable curse and the light's going out in the theater, I got chills. Imagine actually seeing that on stage.
Same, I don't even like Harry Potter. I think I read half of the first book and watched the early movies as a kid, but that scene would be so cool due to the nature of Avada Kedavra and harry using it
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TL;DR: It would be cooler if he uses sectumsempra instead.
I think it would have been almost better if he uses sectumsempra, but the dude still dies from bleeding out because nobody knows the countercurse. It would one, still kill the guy, two, be far more brutal, and show some interesting character development for Harry and parallels to the original.
In the scene with him and Draco in the Half-Blood Prince(going off the books), Harry uses it without him knowing what it does and is distraught. Showing him using it while knowing what it does would show that he's not just a 16-year-old anymore. He's a war hardened adult.
It would also work really well if he panics a little bit after the guy dies. In this scenario, it was used with intent to harm, not to kill and he had never outright tried to kill someone in the past, not even Voldemort who died because his own spell rebounded. In the spur of the moment, he forgets that nobody knows the countercurse, and it shows what could have happened to Draco if Myrtle hadn't been there to yell for help.
Harry doesn't fully panic like he does with Draco, but he is shocked. This also shows Albus that his father isn't perfect.
That, and I just think it would be cool.
@@imgayyyy2213 And it would also probably be easier for Hermione o pull strings to get him out of trouble for using a cure that few wizards even know about
That train station scene where Harry uses the killing curse is genius.
Bríon O'Sullivan I've always wanted to see him use it and the psychological afect it will have on him. The curse that destroyed his life. The curse he survived twice. The curse that killed his parents, friends, mentors.
Yes. Yes it is!
When austin said that he would do that, it gave me chills. Holy shit the story is now over 9000 times better.
Bríon O'Sullivan yup
Exactly! I literally had shivers run down my spine.
When Harry used the Avada Kedavra I legit got shivers- this would have me gasping and shouting in a theatre omg why didn’t they do this!!!
Same. I thought that was going to be a whole different thing though and it just got dropped. Like, the magical McGuffin could be a mind control device of sorts and the evil wizards are trying to turn Harry Potter into the new dark lord.
I kinda feel like Harry should of used sectum sempra instead, he’s being questioned for what the spell is rather than why he used it
Forever Forgetfull your so right
Forever Forgetfull nah, I seriously doubt people would be that shocked by a spell that makes people bleed profusely. Also, such a spell would be a much less shocking act than the killing curse; aiming to cause injury in defense is way more acceptable to the government that aiming to kill. And I’m pretty sure if Harry got super-protective and used the first curse that came to mind to prevent any possibility of the attacker hurting his son, he would probably use Avada Kedavra
Same!
Tbh I'd prefer it if this just didn't exist and I'd get a canon marauders story instead.
Edit: Four years later and I no longer want any stories whatsoever by the terf in chief.
Kira Carolina a marauders adventures book would be awesome
i'm just scared it would get messed up as badly as cursed child
YES!
Kira Carolina or Hogwarts founders?
I agree but J.K.R should write it so then it won't get messed but like this book because only she and i mean *ONLY SHE* should write Harry Potter.
But ... *THAT'S JUST A GAME THEORY*
"In My version , they are having an affair"
And that's when he upset half of the HP fandom
They upset themselves by adding two characters who weren't going to be together. And by letting Jk think it was a good idea to let other people write The Curse Child.
And delighted the other one, as well as an army of trolls.
Speak for yourself. i think it's brilliant. Im against extramarital affairs, but at least they could develop feelings for each other, aknowledging them and both being frustrated because they cannot act upon them. It would add some character development as they deal with adulthood issues, and both Harry and Hermione remain as loyal and respectful partners despite their feelings for each other
Harry Potter is also a Children's Story.
Lot's of kids have to deal with the fall out of their parents having an affair and it could have been a really interesting way to try and introduce some lessons about the wrong and right ways to handle and cope with it.
JK Rowling is fucking awful at writing romance and Hermione and Ron an Harry and Ginny both came out of left field and made no fucking sense. She even admitted that Hermione ending up with Ron was a mistake. Adding the Affair makes Hermione, a fucking mary sue of a character, and Harry, who everyone stans for, more flawed and more human.
Would you like some toffee, Austin?
This video (and this comment) made me really want toffee.
Joe Joe Nah not really in the mood for sugar.
Calm down McGonogall
I'll take some Chocolate frogs though
wanna succee on some toffee?
Harry giving Hermione marriage advice and Ron THINKING an affair is happening, causes the divide, in the end its wholesome feel good as it should be
I love this, thanks
@@whazatt236 I see what you're saying, it's a very valid point of view, I got interested in your opinion. Tell me, since you think that Harry Potter turning into a drama is quite bad, you find the "affair plot" a bad one too right?
@@whazatt236 same
Sorry, but I feel that's the worse kind of drama. The whole 'Oh, it was just a misunderstanding' is generally just a cheap way to add a false sense of drama whilst not having to write flaws into your characters.
I feel like Ron has divided himself from the others too much though
I think that the affair addition is a great idea story-telling wise and character *development* wise, but doesn't seem like something that Hermione or Harry would ever do character wise.
Edit: I think maybe having the two framed for the affair would fit better. You'd still get the marital betrayal and the hermione getting fired plot points.
Yeah it doesn't feel true to the characters. They're like brother and sister. They wouldn't do that
OdeToGrapes It’s something they’d never do as children. But as adults?
Okay this right here, perfect! because it wasn't the first time they were mistaken for being together
@@JetpoweredGlim yeah, the first time I think is when Rita Skeeter essentially lies about their relationship
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange maybe even have a Rita Skeeter fan, if not the character herself, lead the charge on the frame up, have a little revenge subplot in there, and to extend on it, also link Delphi to it and the political opposition, so the final act can be sorting that out as opposed to/as well as the relationship problems, or is that getting a bit too black and white?
Austin: this rewrite works because it pays respect to the original heroes.
Also Austin: Harry and Hermione are having an affair.
I like the idea of teasing the question of an affair. But not actually having it be the case. Have that be a red herring for something else. Also I believe that the toffee line is just a hat tip to McGonagall's "Have a biscuit, Potter".
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
I like your idea. Another!
Yeah, I thought that too, it was a nice touch, too bad the other aspects of it sucked
I agree, make the audience think they are referring to an affair, but they are actually referring to a case Harry is working on. or something like that.
The problem I have with that is that "Have a biscuit, Potter" was something of a character building moment. It shows that McGonagall is just as frustrated with Umbridge as Harry is, and therefore rewards him for standing up to her, even if officially she has to punish him for it. The toffee, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't have any meaning like that.
I don't agree with everything here, but I really like the idea of Harry using the killing curse. He used the other two in the books so it's not impossible for him. I'd also like to see Draco Malfoy get some development. Maybe Harry and him could become friends since their sons are getting along?
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I could see this being a waaay better conflict issue rather than something like an affair.
Maybe it could be like Draco has been an informant for Harry and the two start to become friends slowly over time. However, Harry knows that no one would understand so he becomes secretive about it which causes his friends to be concerned causing even more conflict.
( it would be cool if he was using Draco's help and connections to solve a case he is working on and was keeping it a secret to protect the ones he loves. He gets to actually know the real Draco [who I believe is a good person that was raised poorly] and a friendship develops)
Understandably, Hermonie would be furious to find out that Harry is becoming friends with Draco with everything that happened. Ron would obviously take Hermonie's side in the matter but would try to quietly smooth things over which ends poorly. Ginny would take Harry's even though she is very concerned by his behavior. (especially if he used the killing curse) It would put a huge rift between the friends and create a more realistic, and slightly less overused, plot point that would make for some interesting character development....the betrayal would still be there in a different form but it leaves more room for their relationships to be repaired.
@@maucat29 Or maybe he was blackmailed to date Pansy Parkinson by the enemies because he isn’t a part of the enemy team, then he’s blamed for it, and he gets framed for a murder, after a bit of back and forth, they both (Harry and Draco) are on acquaintances by the end of the story, and their terms develop, enemies to good terms, to acquaintances. So, their terms lay on Harry’s trial when he uses the (I changed it a bit) Cruciatus Curse on a masked figure.
@@maucat29 Yeah.
ok but, “She’s like my sister,” he went on. “I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It’s always been like that. I thought you knew.”
While I agree, I think the guy's main point was to keep the audience interested. Though I guess there can be other ways to keep the audience interested
That’s why I don’t like Hairmione.
@Ahmad Toqeer Excuse me, what did I do to deserve that profanity? Also, I don’t understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the Cursed Child is bad? If you are I totally agree. What do you mean by “what’s Hermione fault”? I do not understand.
@Ahmad Toqeer Oh, that makes sense! And I don’t hate Hermione, I hate the ship of Harry and Hermione (which I believe is sometimes called Hairmione, but I’m not sure). I just think that the two characters do not work well together.
@@nothingtoseeherefolks6911 and ron & hermione do?
"I'm just SAYIN' if it were ME and I was allowed to write a CANON story....!"
Welcome to the world of writing fanfiction, my friend.
The whole cursed child book is basically a Canon Fanfiction lol
@@astor_25 it’s literally just 50 Shades of Gray but for kids and with wizards
Fanfic isn't canon though. Cursed child is supposed to be
I think if there was a list of "DO NOT DO THAT" when writing a harry potter FANFICTION would feature in bold, underlined in glowing ink:
"Voldemorts child"
Directly above "Wizard Back to the future".
I'll make an exception for A Very Potter Musical, having Voldy and Quirrel adopt a daughter in the third one was very sweet.
And also no Harry and Hermione affairs thats dumb
Hearing "Voldemords child" always makes me remember that in order for her to have been born Bellatrix would have had to land in the sheets with post resurrection Voldemord at least once, spent 9 months in his service while pregnant, had to interrupt her gleefully torturing for bathroom breaks every few hours and that a bunch of death eaters had to help deliver a baby.
I don't know why that weirds me out so much but I just can't take Delphi seriously because of this.
This is a three-year-old video, but I have to commend you for making a far more compelling narrative than that the official script had to offer. However, like most people in the comments, I'd change one part: the affair between Harry and Hermione. I feel like a more interesting way to create a rift in their respective families lies not in a shoehorned affair (when the characters have previously and adamantly rebuffed assumptions that they are attracted to each other), but in the very real repercussions of marrying your childhood sweetheart- who is also a fellow child soldier.
The couples in Harry Potter do have chemistry (specifically Hermione/Ron), but you have to consider the context in which they were formed: there was a war going on, and tensions were running high. Ginny's childish crush on Harry evolved into marriage when he reciprocated during a time of great stress in his life. Of course, this could lead to a good, stable relationship- but there's an equal chance that it wouldn't. Has Harry really learnt to appreciate Ginny has a person instead of just his girlfriend by the time they decided to wed? Does he resent the fact that he feels like he jumped the gun and didn't consider other options? The only "girlfriend" he had prior to it all was Cho Chang, and that was similarly dysfunctional and trauma-based.
The same can be said of Ron and Hermione, especially because they have a tendency to bicker. Maybe there are RUMOURS flying around about Harry and Hermione having an affair, seeing as they are co-workers and there is prescience for the media to promote the couple (as seen in the Goblet of Fire). Maybe this causes Ron to re-awaken his jealously streak, although he tries to tell himself that he's changed (and therefore represses it). Maybe this causes Hermione to withdraw from her friends, because she feels that her professionalism is being mocked by the rumour, and her sense of self-pride will not allow it. Maybe Ginny takes it at face-value and blows up at Harry, considering that she's known for her fiery temper and stubborn sensibilities. And maybe it plants a seed of self-doubt within Harry; was he ever meant to settle down, especially since his idyllic happy ending is falling to pieces?
I just feel the implications here lead to far more interesting and multi-faceted explorations of characters and their relationship dynamics, rather than having it just be an outright affair.
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based. harry and ginny should’ve never progressed past a silly crush. very much rushed imo.
10/10 Damien. The rest of his suggestions were pretty solid, but his Harry-Hermione affair is just as subpar as the other criticisms he highlighted in the CC. Your addition to his version makes a damn good Potter book. Pity we were given such asinine drivel by Rowling and her friends :(
Yay my bump worked! :D
Instead of them actually having an affair, make it so that the Tabloids report that they had an affair. The audience shouldn't know for sure whether they did and it should only be hinted at. Then with the curse idea have Ginny at saint Mungoes cursed and lying catatonic in her bed with Ron holding her hand and refusing Harry to get near her and he accuses them both of having an affair. There's a hard to watch scene where they fight and a touching moment where Ron realises that he's being a fool believing the newspapers instead of his best friend as a callback to book 4 and they all hug and swear to solve the cases once and for all for Ginny's sake.
TheOnlyRoggol That's a lot better.
TheOnlyRoggol I like this. I like this A LOT.
A good way to bring back Rita Skeeter as a secondary antagonist. Skeeter would have been grinding her ax against Hermione ever since the Triwizard Tournament. Only this time she's using a pseudonym, although you have a feeling it's her and all the clues are there. Once the reveal is made, it could be good comic relief.
Perfectttt
I love this. This is it.
How bout instead of the affair- take that out completely- the dirt they dig up on Harry and hermione is hermione covering up him using the killing curse. That would be awful for the “chosen one” and of course his BFF is gonna cover it up. It will look like hermione is unstable and not able to make good decisions and Harry look evil and changed. Just have Ron or Ginny still get hurt and make that the conflict that hermione or Harry’s spouse may die or go crazy. Hermione still loses her job. Harry still loses his. The family still goes through tremendous loss from either Ron/Ginny. And maybe after that Harry and hermione can get together if it’s important to you lol
Nice
Yeah I agree that it would be character assassination to have Harry and Hermine cheat. I get that characters change over time but I feel that would be taking it a little too far
Ok I vote for this more!! Much better!
Yes, I like this!!!
Apart from the affair between Harry and Hermione, I like it. Harry and Hermione would NEVER cheat. Let alone with each other. They are best friends, please let them be that.
There are MANY adult problems that they can face.
I think Harry and Hermione could have a different secret, like maybe they know that Ginny is fatally sick and are trying to develop a forbidden spell to cure her while keeping it secret from Ron and Ginny.
It would have the same consequences, Hermione and Harry losing their jobs, Ron being mad at Harry and Hermione for lying to him.
Yes adult problems. They are adults. People change, whether it's a good change or not.
@@feli638 of course. But as a writer I know character development and change in personality can be shown through adult concepts other than infidelity. I'd rather have them be friends because ultimately HP series is about bonds and friendships... The love that goes between people and Harry and Hermione's friendship is based on deep understanding not something as superficial as lust... it doesn't need unnecessary drama. Their friendship is pure and people need that more than these so called adult concepts.
I like the idea of the forbbiden spell. Although not necessarily to save someone in specific but in a more broad sence given her position in the Ministry. A true moral dilemma like fraud, or covering ilegal but not inherenly "bad" crimes cause you know, law it's not always fair. Something along those lines idk...
Totally agree that whole affair thing just seems wrong
I think Ron should be mad because they didnt trust him
I’d say with the affair plot line maybe instead of an ongoing affair, make it a single incident in a moment of weakness for both characters. Not even something that happened in scream, just something that happened a few months back that haunts them in the present.
Finally someone who has a decent suggestion on that topic. I don’t mind the affair, but I get why some do. Your suggestion is a good potential replacement.
I was thinking the same, good idea.
You could even keep the whole carmel offer happening, as it is Hermione doing it because she doesn't know what she wants and thinks Harry might want to again. Harry turning it down is because he feels guilty about it all, but doesn't want to make a big deal out of it and make Hermione feel worse or rejected.
I really like that idea. Or nothing happened off screen in the past or present.....they just have a wistful "...yknow....we could have maybe been something more, couldn't we....oh well....so it goes....we at least have others who love us....but we will never forget our bond..." A bittersweet and complicated moment of regret and acceptance, and their true romantic partners remind them in the story as things progress how much they mean to them.
I agree that's the way to go.
Instead of them actually cheating I would just bring back jealous Ron, and have him suspicious and insecure about Harry and Hermione's relationship. Great vid!
Someone else said it as well, but suspicious Albus could go really well with jealous Ron.
So destroy the trust between the big 3 ... in a children's book series
Lexi Cole now this, would be the most plausible thing to do for sure
Easy.... I read these books as a kid...
Ive read these books to my nieces and nephews when they were children ....they are now reading the later books.
I plan on reading these books to my kids....
The book series is marketed as a children's book series ... so they are children's books. I'd prefer my children's books to be kept as children's books... pure. Harry for all his flaws is still a role model as JK Rowling intended....his main trait is - he doest abandon his friends- ie loyalty... so by having him abandon his friends would drastically alter his character.
other than that
Id prefer... and I am aware that yes.. I am saying I'd prefer...and due to that I am being selfish... But, I'd prefer for the integrity of the story to remain intact... and by integrity - I mean - the big 3. Ron, Hermione and Harry....they are complementary characters. Id prefer the integrity of a children's books series that has shaped a generation to remain rigid/sound.
By breaking up the big 3...for the sake of injecting "real world drama/issues" ..it takes away the fantasy of the Wizarding World of Harry Potter and it shows a lack of integrity. By adding that little ..harry/hermione side plot ... you destroy the trust and love that is the big 3 ..by destroying the relationships around the big 3 = by all intents and purposes you unravel the entire story- as the entire story revolves around the big 3 and those who are connected to the big 3.
Harry is an orphan boy who comes from a home that doesn't love him . He doesn't have any friends until ... Ron... then Hermione.... Harry doesnt know what motherly/family love is ..until Mrs. Weasley/the weasleys ...whom is connected to Ron.
The Rest of the story is Harry going on adventures...with hermione and Ron. The big 3 as a unit is integral for the story of HP so to just cast aside one of the pillars of the world ...for "literary spice" is lazy writing and destructive. This video(from Austin..a youtuber that i like) is about what he would do to rewrite a legit canon HP story ..not a HP fanfic.
I'll be honest .. I do not remember why I posted that on this particular comment. Other's.. I remember and understand but this particular one - I have no idea
tbh that would be make Ron childish, so i prefer Ablus and the public doubting
Something else, maybe have Al struggle the hardest with Expeliarmus specifically. Given how it was the spell that defeated voldemort, it would probably gain a lot of traction in universe. Having Albus fail at that spell, not only one so popular but also his dad's signature move, that would definitely help with Albus feeling more like he's ruining his dad's legacy in a way.
Harrys actor is still the most "badass-dad"-looking guy
lol true
cant even understand why he looks like that
HE IS THOUGH
Tbh I can only picture Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter. Maybe because I grew up with him playing Harry Potter and everytime I see this guy I immediately think "Harry Potter" for a sec.
Reminds me a lot (and I mean a *LOT*) of Atticus Finch's actor (Gregory Peck) from the film adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird.
OMG THE AVADA KADAVRA WOULD HAVE BEEN SO GOOD HOLY CRAP
ACTUAL SHIVERS
But not the affair :(((
I.am.cursed i agree actually
I'll give Austin this; his version is WAY better. But the affair makes me a TAD bit uncomfortable...
Also, the Avada Kadavra feels super wrong but I think it would fit
TL;DR It's awesome but I would STILL not consider it canon IMO
ARandomDude To be honest I don’t like the Avada Kadrava thing because it seems way overboard/out of character.
It should’ve been that other spell Harry used early on, the one that cuts them as if with a sword (I forget it’s name)
Heefnoff I think it’s called “Sectum Sempra?” The one from Half-Blood Prince. :) That would be cool too!
@@NoMereRanger73 DUDE THAT WOULD BE *MUCH* BETTER! why didn't I think of that?
I think you should have used Draco more. On the other hand though, I think the only reason he was cool in the Cursed Child was because he was the only original person who was furthered as a character and changed.
WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms yeah I really liked Dracos development. It felt natural after what he had been through.
yeah, your version doesnt give Draco any development. at least u should show how he deals with Scorpius's friendship with Albus. How he is having issues with Scorpius because of that
WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms perhaps he could start off as a secondary antagonist, then become minister, then having his character change and send his men to help the main characters in the final battle and end up a good guy and a good father . perhaps he should destroy the mcguffin to show his character change. Perhaps ginny/ron should arrive to save the day with him and his ministry men.
Interesting point. Draco was the only character in which we saw some depth and growth. I don't think that says so much about Draco as much as it points out how very badly the original trio were handled in Cursed Child.
The way I would do Draco is make him a hardened character who is ashamed of his past, he can be the only character who suffers from some form of PTSD from the wizard war. He sees his son as a form of redemption and wants him to break his family linage and just be a good person. Also make him much more mature then Harry. Have harry still hold on to the childish bullying but have Draco move past it and see harry as a friend (even though Harry's will still hold hatred towards him). Part of the blowout between harry and his son can be something along the lines of harry talking about how he used that curse on Draco (in half blood prince I believe) but he doesn't feel remorse over it. Eventually have it so their arch ends with Draco and Harry having some amount of respect for each other and they are working together to be better fathers because neither one of them grew up with a conventual father figure.
Deathly Hallows book: Harry "I love Hermione like a sister."
*background music starts to play "Sweet Home Alabama"*
@@vince1987 hahahaha
@@vince1987 lmao
I like everything but the affair. I would rather see the affair be a red herring of sorts. Lead the audience to believe they could be having an affair but have it all turn out to be nothing. Some of the characters could also believe there was an affair or characters could feel some animosity thinking there is an affair and have it sorted out in the end. Otherwise, this version was great and I would buy this book in a heartbeat
I love this idea! It definitely makes a lot more sense than them actually having an affair
Ya like the taffy could be code for something else something related to there work afterall they are aurors
and somehow the affair suggestions have to do with them secretly investigating the Voldemort thing until they find enough info. or something idk
@@Greennoob2 Maybe it could be that they’re spending extra time in the office, and one day Hermione comes into Harry to give him Valentines Day chocolates and a card (which was bewitched by Romilda Vane, by the way), Romilda puts love potion in the chocolate, and the two start going to coffee together until Harry realizes it’s a love potion. After that, Harry traces back and looks at the card, it says Hermione’s name, so Harry thinks Romilda framed Hermione, but that doesn’t leave them on good terms.
Same I dont see Hermione cheating on Harry
I think it’d work best if Ginny is the one cursed by Delphi. It’s a fair callback to Chamber of Secrets where the goal was very similarly “save Ginny from a curse” and it keeps all three members of the main trio active in the fight against Delphi and the New Death Eaters. Even moreso, I think it’s a great way to explore the themes of adulthood more in depth if Ron is the one who leaves and who takes out Delphi. Rob was always the optimist in their trio and seeing him leave Hermione bc he’s heartbroken feels like a good way to explore that they aren’t kids anymore.
Plus, just watching him come in on Delphi and say something epic would be a great character moment for him.
That's a good way to give Ron more screentime. Personally I would've had Ron cursed because if he were the one to find out I would see him having the screaming match of the century with Hermione and leaving Hermione in tears as he went to hunt down Harry to duke it out with him. That puts too much attention on the adults for a story that was supposed to be about their children. Meanwhile if Ginny were the one to find out then she'd probably scream at Harry, slap him, pack up her stuff, and leave while Harry looks down in utter shame.
@Riri Pari I can definitely see how that has the potential to shift focus really far in one direction, but I feel like how much focus Ron would put on the adults depends on the execution of the scenes. Theoretically we could have one scene where Ron finds out and freaks out on Hermione, leaves to fight Harry, and then a scene that progresses the kids’ story a bit (but a heavier scene to keep the emotional momentum), before cutting back to a scene where Harry and Ron fight with Ron losing enough that he exits in a rage so it makes sense why we don’t see him again until the climax.
I guess all of these problems of executing ideas and keeping momentum and not detracting focus wouldn’t exist if Ron was the one who got cursed, but I feel like Ginny wouldn’t provide enough drama for the adult side of the story.
@@JyujinPlus I thought it was sad that Ginny and Ron are so interchangeable for the purposes of this story. Just goes to show that the stupid play did them a huge disservice
Plus in the deathly Hallows ron was the one who left because of tensions and had concerns over Harry and Hermione already so itd be a hint back to the original films while adding texture to the drama
@Neve Turner Big this.
I’m really glad there are people passionate about this narrative with good tastes for how to call back to the original series
Y'know, I think this version is much worse for only one reason. It needs that fight between Albus and the trolley person.
OH YEAH. IT DOES
it could happen during the young trios adventures.
I did like that trolley lady was scary AF
Young Gang goes and fights her for extra hijinks and bonding, finding out she's a spooky death yeeter person and advancing the plot
@@TheWSYNkatevy153 that's not an argumeeent
"Feels like a fanfic" he says
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*Proceeds to make a love triangle affair plotline*
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Still doesn't mean it isn't fanficky to introduce cheating and the love affair...
It isn't to say viability but the JOKE was the merit of the fanfic nature of it. No need to dig too deep. We all know about the chemistries.
@@autonomical It's also fanficky to suddenly have Albus' life not work out but you need to have some aspects to make a story
@@FraserSouris Yeah but I'm making a joke about the comment the video creator said about disliking a certain potential decision-making because it would be fanficky....
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the "pot calling the kettle black", I don't understand what you're doing though.
@@FraserSouris 11! but yeah I totally agree that the original plot is also really fan-ficky, but I disagree that the love triangle isn't
most of this video: i agree
harry and hermione have an affair: WAIT WHAT-
I would have liked to see Albus "prove himself" in a Slytherin way (aka save the day in a Slytherin way) that Harry wouldn't have chosen. This would allow him to see the positive in being "not-Harry" (get character development + self worth) while recognising his own strengths.
Yeah, I also think so.
Yeah, I’m planning to do that, because in my books, he saves the day by doing very Gryffindor-like antics, I feel like I should’ve edited that, I feel like that’s why not a lot of people are interested.
I would have Albus be the one to kill the "New" Death Eater that's attacking Harry. After being knocked down, and seeing his father in the crosshairs of a Death Eater, Albus freezes, and beings to cry...until he hears a small voice in the back of his mind. "You can protect him. You know the spell" Harry takes the fall for Albus, but Albus is conflicted because that was the first time ever that he was able to use a spell on the first try, flawlessly.
@@robinhilliker4461 Nice mention that Arvada Kedavra is the first spell he can cast effortlessly.
Another great idea!!!
I don't agree with the love affair idea but I love everything else, especially Harry using the killing curse to protect his son as it would work out so well with Harry's character. Especially that every time Harry has ever used an unforgivable was to protect someone he cares about, the imperius in gringotts so hermione and Ron wouldn't be fount out about, the cruciatus at Carrow when he disrespects McGonogall and spits on her, and finally the killing curse to protect his son from danger it goes so well with Harry's noble nature and urge to protect the people he loves and cares about
I love how overwhelmingly everyone hates the harry heroine affiar as do I.
Heroine? He’s doing drugs now?
@@lychee9437 even that's more engaging than an affair
Me too I hated that like that would never happen it should never happen. Ron and Harry are best friends and so are hermione and Harry and Ron and Ginny are siblings that’s just so messed up and I don’t think that Harry would ever do that or even consider it and they should not even have those feelings for each other they never did through the first seven books
The Chosen One does not sleep with his best friends wife. No way in hell. I think it is very important for grown harry to not be morally corrupt in order to be believable as cannon.
@@morganshaw1139 things change when u grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or smtng. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child
0:51 - "I fly out to London"
*Plane lands in Northern Ireland*
He clearly meant Londonderry
same place
britain AHAHAHHHAAAH
Try telling someone in Belfast that it's basically the same as London, see how well that goes for you 😜
It's the same place, pwussy boy
Not even in Great Britain...
This is so good I continued listening and couldn't wait to hear what happened next. This video is literally far more entertaining than the whole Cursed Child book.
yeah
I got chills when you talked about Harry using Avada Kadavra. I personally dislike the part where Harry and Hermione have an affair. Ginny and Harry should be in love, so you can’t add this in without giving a reason for Harry and Ginny to be in a bad part of their relationship. Not to mention that Hermione is a good person. She is supposed to be kind and caring, and would never stoop to cheating
Idk I could see Hermione getting frustrated with Ron and his career choice
@@erobbie Bad marriage doesn't automatically mean affairs.
Alexandra Pippan and people can have affairs in a perfectly happy marriage. I kind of like it because it adds some really intense stakes, but I also get how it could go against the character’s personalities a bit
Jack Davenport If so,Ebony has an affair it isn’t a happy marriage
@@jackdavenport5011 but that's the point, though. It goes against the characters' personalities (not just a bit but completely) without any reason except for "I don't know any other way to raise the stakes of the plot". Which is a stupid reason for making the characters' personalities change completely.
The plot should develop because of the characters, not the other way round. And there are a lot of "high stakes adult problems" Harry or Hermione, or Harry and Hermione could have that arise FROM THEIR CHARACTERS rather than inventing this one that requires major bending of who Harry and Hermione actually are.
Listen, I was liking where this was going before you mentioned Harry and Hermione have an affair. I mean come on, there was a whole deal in the deathly hallows on how Harry would never do that to Ron.
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris 10!
@@FraserSouris dude you've copied and pasted this answer so much wth
Harry and Hermione have no chemistry. They feel and act like siblings, and all of their "screentime" is them disagreeing and Harry (in his internal monologue) describing how much he'd prefer to be hanging out with Ron. Hermione and Ron make objectively more sense, they've constantly had moments of chemistry throughout the series. Their constant bickering is affectionate, rather than the heated arguments Harry and Hermione have after which they refuse to speak to one another.
Also what pain does Hermione understand? Throughout the series they are unable to relate to one another, the person Harry is able to relate to most is Ginny. Since most of his trauma comes through Voldemort possessing him, Ginny's story in the second installment allows her to be one of the few people that *can* actually understand Harry's pain. If anything, I could see Harry talking to Ron about his pain rather than Hermione, something that fits the original characterization.
Even though there is a 19 year gap between this, I don't think their inherent characterization would have changed that much. Harry is still the same Harry, and the same goes for Hermione, Ron, and Ginny. They've all grown up, and matured but they don't change much- and neither should their reasons for being together. There are other ways for these relationships to break for this to be a compelling story, but whatever way is chosen should align with their characterization. Having an affair- not it.
@@hyacinth4369 You are wrong with many of your assertions.
Firstly, Harry and Hermione do have chemistry. There are plenty of sequences where they chill together, where Harry is glad Hermione is with him and times where he wishes she was with him when she isn't. Using their bickering as a counter doesn't work because Harry bickers with Ron and Hermione bickers with Ron as well in ways where calling it affectionate is debatable. During Goblet of Fire for example, Ron all but abandons Harry until after the first trial and Hermione is the only one there supporting him. Harry doesn't initially make fun of SPEW and Hermione's efforts to her like Ron does.
There's a reason why many were caught off guard by Ron and Hermione coming together. Because prior to Book 7, they were the ones arguably lacking chemistry and common interest. For example, Ron is chill and not fond of studying or societal improvement. Hermione is the opposite.
Secondly, Hermione understands more of the pain of Harry's responsibility rather than the physical pain of being possessed by Voldemort. Because she's the one who is tasked with helping him through tough challenges that Ginny almost never helps him. To say Ginny understands more of what Harry's going through is debatable. And spending more time needing to stop Voldemort is given more screentime and focus than Harry's trauma with Voldemort which often happens in bursts rather than being an ongoing issue.
To use an analogy. Imagine you got your arm injured for a week and have to go through a 6 hour marathon. You have one friend who goes the entire Marathon with you and one friend who doesn't but also hurt their arm once for a day. You're basically saying the pain of that hurt arm once overriedes the much longer and more important time in the Marathon.
Thirdly, you can't prove for sure that the characters' outlooks wouldn't change after 19 years. And I have shown there's plenty of examples of chemistry between the cast to cause an affair. So having an affair does not go against their established personalities and outlook and does act as a compelling plot.
Plus, even if there were other ways to break their relationship, you'd complain that also breaks their characterization.
@@FraserSouris Buddy, just admit you're an Harmione that's pissed off with people not liking the characters going OOC so you could have your pretty little ship.
Things that people should never say: You know what this story needs? A love triangle.
Love triangles are amazing
Except terrible writing advice.
*TERRIBLE WRITING ADVICE INTENSIFIES*
@weeb_trash a love rubiks cube
Love triangles can work really well or awful.
That actually sounds like a fantastic rewrite of the story. Although I have to point something out: Using the killing curse doesn't get Harry to quit, but a threat to reveal his affair does? If it's to avoid a scandal, quitting his job won't get "the boy who lived only to kill" out of the tabloids. As pointed out by Cinnamon, there's no way the relationships would survive and it's somewhat soap-opera-y.
I think I'd do away with the affair, if I were to attempt a rewrite, and instead have the death curse be what breaks Harry. Not just by taking his job but by actually emotionally breaking him. He'd be forced to confront the fact that he isn't a good parent and thereby putting Albus' life at serious risk (Harry himself having been saved on numerous occasions by nothing other than parental love, he'd likely put that much value on being a good parent).
I'm not sure where I'd take the story from there, though.
Jelly Myst I like it, I like it.
Thanks. You and apparently 108 others as of right now. I'm shocked and honoured so many people took the time to read my ramblings.
Jelly Myst: "the boy who lived only to kill" - Great newspaper headline!
Jelly Myst your idea is great and I like the idea of having the killing curse being more important, but I also like the affair idea .
+Matthew Ford
I think the affair idea is all right. Maybe a bit out of character for Harry, but hardly unforgivably so. In the end, though, the biggest reason I left it out was simply because it didn't fit in naturally anywhere.
Why don't you get rid of the affair and just have the OG group naturally growing apart as friends do--to the point where they no longer are as close as they used to.
You can use the Albus vs Harry conflict to further their divisions.
The toffee scene can be Hermione and Harry awkwardly referencing the past because they don't have anything on common now, etc. Second act is Albus crying on Ron (who'd be empathetic to his sitch, especially considering Ron's poor self esteem when he was his age). Cue Ron trying to talk to Harry about it, Harry lashing out because he's 'NOT VERNON, HOW COULD YOU RON???' Hermione trying to play peace-maker but screwing up and suddenly it's a three-way conflict of team og
@@QwertyDFTBA This is the one!
i agree. not crazy about the affair...
Harry and Hermione don't have to have an affair. In the original harry potter books, Harry and Hermione were the true best friends, because they could both tell each other things that they couldn't tell Ron. I always read it, from Harry's perspective anyway, that Hermione was more of a sister to him, because when they met Harry was longing for family and he was prepubesent. The rest of the changes though I really like and even with the affair I still like this version better than the one they went with.
I agree, but hell of a better story
"Kill all the lights in the theatre. The only thing the audience can see is the green skull in the rafters."
As someone who loves theatre, I *adore* this description. I really feel like I'm there, watching your version of the play.
Instead of having an affair, make it like Rita skeeter saying there's an affair, tabloids love to dramatise celebrities creating doubt etc. It would create the same tension for harry/hermiones careers.I just see an actual affair between these two. But the adult themed idea has merit.
Also instead of brushing past harry using the killing curse directly have it be a theme that people think he's turning into a villain. Or have a stupefy spell go badly leading to the death of new death eater.
Dean Connell This!! That would be soo good! And fitting for a Harry Potter book
Dean Connell much better!
and then make hermione snaps and send Rita to Azkaban for being an iligal animagus
I like the idea of a false tabloid affair better than an actual one. And focusing more on Harry using the killing curse and getting off because he's friends with Hermione could serve as the reason she ends up loosing her job
This would be amazing! Maybe she's getting back at him for exposing her as a terrible journalist. So she frames their affair and stuff.
You forgot a big part.
Making Harry and Draco friends. Best of friends, even.
I’ve seen so many headcanons of Draco joining the original trio from the very start, and it sort of breaks my heart that Draco never really got a good development/redemption arc. I think Draco is a very interesting and intriguing character to write, and the cursed child could’ve really fledged out his character more!
I agree bruh- they should really put him!!
HE could’ve been the cursed child! Cursed by his upbringing, warping his views and behavior, but then he finally gets a fleshed out redemption arc and overcomes his “curse” and breaks the “curse” by having raised his son better.
Meg DiPaolo yes!! Oh my god I love that
Ikrr
I dunno. Making Draco a half decent dad was good enough for me. He doesn't have to be bffs with the main character to show growth and I feel like that would have been a stretch considering the lack of proper setup in previous books. I love Draco as much as the next guy, but that sort of chumminess with Harry would just feel jarring and even more fanfiction-esque.
Nobody:
Austin: Harry and Hermoine have an affair
Everybody: wtf?
I think the affair is unneccessary to raise the stakes. I dont think Harry and Hermione would cheat, let alone with each other for so long. Give something for the Weasleys to do Ron and Ginny frankly do jackshit and its like everyone forgot that they are spunky capable wizards in their own right.
Zynel it’s not a bad format. It’s just overused. Here it was used to imply that he said it out of nowhere. While many people just put it at the start of their joke, this is a terrible example to criticize.
yeah, that was the one plot line i was like, yeah, nope, that's actually worse than Voldemort's child!
Yeah, FFS, that's out of chatracter for both of them unless you go to some lengths to explain why, and also adds nothing to the plot. Just no.
Edit: it's a very good point that his name is the fucking title, but a better fix would be to, you know, change the title. Rowling's wizarding world is not exactly unknown at this time. You can drop "Harry Potter" and not be afraid the play won't sell.
@@safe-keeper1042 I really don't see how it is out of character, 19 years have passed, maybe Ron and Harry's relationship has gone sour. This was originally a point of tension in the 7th book wasn't it, people are too worried about keeping their precious characters pure, they need to have flaws and are not schoolchildren any more. Also "adds nothing too the plot" did you not watch the video. Finally having it not be a Harry Potter book is not something JK Rowling would do, she has a massive series that she can sell tickets off, why would she not, that's stupid from a marketing point of view, that's why it is marketed as "the next chapter in the story", it says it right on the back.
"Second year! It's a big year. My second year was tough... Everybody thought I had opened Salazar Slytherin's Chamber of Secrets and released a giant bloodthirsty serpent in the castle, attacking students... Of course, your mother actually _did_ do that, but more on that another time."
you're a mastermind with that killing curse part
Builds wonderfully on Harry's first unforgivable curse usage in Order of the Phoenix. We know he can be made to lose his shit.
He and Hermione also used the mind control unforgivable curse in the Deathly Hallows, followed by a Cruciatus against the evil Dark Arts teachers who taught how to use said Cruciatus curse on students who misbehaved (i.e. were part of Dumbledore’s Army). So with this Harry would have ended up using all three Unforgivable Curses.
“In my version, they *are having an affair.* “
Y’all, I YELLED.
An affair isn't out of character. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris You took my comment way to seriously dude lmaoooooo
@@FraserSouris That's four XD
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First off, I love this idea. This would've been so much better than what we got. It's an interesting story that really focuses on character development and plot more than cameos and fan service.
However, I have to disagree about the affair. Ignoring the kind of people Harry and Hermione are, who would most likely never feel good about doing something like that, it also undermines the romantic development from JK about Harry and Ginny or Ron and Hermione. I would instead have Harry resign over using the killing curse, a secret he decides to keep from his friends to keep his job. That way, there would still be a loss in trust between the OG gang without risking crossing into fanfic territory.
Sometimes people do things they don't feel good about. People affairs are not usually two evil people trying to hurt their partners, it's more complicated. The complicated nature is what makes it good. It also shows that Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny are real people and not angelic characatures.
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Ultra Nerd I'm afraid I disagree. We watched Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny were still very young when we left their story. People grow, change and events happen that lead to things you wouldn't imagine when you're 18. In all honesty an affair doesn't sound that much like fan fiction; fan fiction would have Harry and Hermione having left their partners because they're also attempting to maintain a sense of purity of the characters get dynamics shown in the original series. It would also ground the characters in reality by showing they have faults.
Ultra Nerd I also disagree with the affair as well
Human relationships are complicated and even the best of people can fall into these mistakes.
In this version, Rose and Scorpius’ feelings for each other could be really written out and make it almost like forbidden because of their parents position. It also gives Malfoy the chance to continue being an awful person at heart but with a changed perspective
Wait that’s cute
You could also do a opposition like: Hermione and Ron tell their daughter to hate Scorpius for being Malfoy's son (like how Malfoy's dad told his son to hate Hermione for her being a mudblood aka because of her parents).
I dunno, having Harry and Hermione have an affair seems even more fanfictiony, also kinda tasteless
To me it just read as believable. Honestly I could see Hermione having an affair with someone else (I've never really seen how Hermione and Ron go together, and that's not coming from hating Ron). Harry doesn't seem to get along that well with hermione during the books, they're just completely different.
I could see hermione having an affair with someone intellectually equal to her, even if she does still live Ron.
@@johnmorrell3187 Alright, but Harry? When Ron's his best friend and he's married to his sister? Seems pretty dickish...
i think most fanfiction are better than this ;-;
@@johnmorrell3187 It feels like it goes along with the idea of Harry being unable to properly connect with people. He's literally saved the world but now will never do anything like that again, so he's just stagnating, and has an affair with one of his oldest friends as a way of reconnecting with his past, albeit in a more adult manner.
It's a much darker, more depressing take on a future Harry Potter, but I can see it working. That said, ANYthing set in the future is going to sound like fanfiction.
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I think the one issue is that fans would not like the fact that Harry is disloyal. Otherwise, this is awesome.
Harrison Marsh the fans are pussies
Yeah, whatever you do, don't give the hero of your story flaws or let them make mistakes to humanize them a bit or else the fanboys will rip you apart. This is also known as The Last Jedi Rule.
Disclaimer: I liked The Last Jedi, including all of its flaws in storytelling.
Overglock give him flaws but don't make him a cheating dick.
How many times in the original books have you been dissapointed by the actions of one of the main cast during the book only to feel proud for them at the end for overcoming that "dissapointing" behaviour? Like when Ron left the team at the middle of book 7 only to come back and save Harry. I do not like the thought of Harry being unfaithful to Ginny either but by the end they decide to "pick up the pieces of whats left and move on".
All I'm saying is that this technique was used many times and I think that something like this would make for a great moment for the characters I love.
Roomba Boi Neutral Question: What do you feel would be a tame enough character flaw that would make HP fans happy, seem in line with Harry's character, and causes the internal struggle within the consumer to make the flaw intriguing?
This.....I would read!
+Belinda Belt Oh man, I need dates with women. Finally!
Martin Vadakara Everyone tweet this at JK Rowling and the writers.
Martin Vadakara SAME!!!!!!
Martin Vadakara same
yeah!
An affair is even more fanfic than time travel dude.
I actually wouldn't have minded the time travel bit if they had stuck to their own canon that everything they do in that time loop has already happened.
Maybe albus thinking he could change what happen. but then realizing life is a loop
@@7lawaneeena Exactly. Like, maybe they try to alter things and with only the story from harry to go on it looks like events are actually changing?
Inbetween they would get doubts about what they are doing, grapple with the ideology of "the greater good" and slowly start to realise how bad they could mess things up.
Therefore in the end they had a hand in many of the incidents themselves and suddenly Albus has to deal with his own set of guilt at pretty much, not causing them, but enabling these events to happen ? (What with him being the one that started this adventure and refused to go back until they had fixed the past.)
And over the course of the story Albus also gets to learn more about his father (like in the play) and at home they bond over their shared trauma.
Maybe Harry helps Albus understand that he shouldn't blame himself since he didn't know what his actions would cause and through this Harry finally realizes that he has to stop blaming himself too.
While the kids are away Harry could finally get to become casual friends with Malfoy and maybe Hermione and Ron realise that they have been drifting apart etc.
Scorpius and Rose would need a character moment too.
Scorpius could become more self-assured (also like in the play) and Rose would also needs some character growth where she establishes herself separate from Albus and Scorpius.
Not to mention giving Ginny a moment to be awesome.
Oh, and Teddy should show up too. I really missed him in all the story ideas floating around.
@@lexa2310 very good, I love time travel and this is a way to have it that is actually good, with Teddy. As long as their is no scorose at the end, and instead maybe more hints of Scobus in the future, mostly the no scorose bit.
Yo what if cedric dies because in their attempt to stop him they push him toward the goblet of fire in the final maze?!
Austin you really are great with these video essays especially in a 20 - 30 min format pls more they are so rewatchable due to you having a great personality and an awesome artistic view keep up this type of amazing content Austin
I agree
Hey, thanks! They take quite a while to make because of the length, but I'll hopefully do a few more this year. Juggling a lot of stuff at the moment.
austinmcconnell don't sweat it these type of videos are pure gold and really well put together, well worth the 5 months, keep it up man
Yup.
austinmcconnell we need to talk
Everyone: “Harry and Hermione are obviously the better couple. I wish they has gotten together”
Austin: “They’re secretly having an affair now”
Everyone: REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Not everyone. Actually, hardly anyone.
Ahahaha - you werent around during the original shipping wars, were you?
@Failingpepper 11 I disagree, but Im not in the mood for another shipping war.
So I'll just say: You have your opinion, I have mine, in the end its to fictional characters so who cares?
Mmmmmm... No.
I agree that Ginny is too good for Harry, but I don't think Hermione is perfect for him either. During the shipping wars, I was in the side that defended that JK should introduce a new character as a love interest for Harry before the end of the books.
Only movie watchers believe harry and Hermione were a better couple.
It makes more sense for Ginny to be the one cursed with Ron coming back at the end.
especially because Ron doesn't have a lot of big hero moments (especially in the films)
@@halfdraco7765 and ginny does? all her cool scenes were taken out of the movies and in the books ron had more hero moments too cause he was more often where the action was. i would love to see ginny save the day
@@leaf111 valid
They completely RUINED time turners in the play, 100%. Just cut all of it out.
Come on, the time turners didn't change anything in the previous books, you just go back to actually do it. And I liked it like that.
I know, the "self-fulfilling" aspect of Rowling's time travel cut out so many cliches and boring storylines, while adding a fun and interesting sort of Chekhov's Gun to the story.
Exactly!! In the original books/movies before Harry even goes back he sees his future Petronus (idk how to spell it) already there saving him so it’s like they just completely changed the rules of the time turner
Plus, all of them got destroyed in order of the Phoenix, it says that in the book! When they went to the ministry. Cursed child makes no sense.
Ema H. Jo made sure to have the time turners destroyed in the 5th book to avoid any kind of crap happening like in this play.
Annie Skywalker they did just absolutely change the time turner rules. In the books when you return from time traveling you age the amount of time you traveled so if this story was canon, the time traveling teens with Delphi would have aged about 25 years
If Harry and Hermione were having an affair I wouldn’t be on the edge of my seat I would be getting up out of it and leaving the theater because NO
EXATLY me
Fax
Book fans in a nutshell. Like chill it's actually good charachter development
Same
@@kremnapita I agree
I feel like harry is so much more humble than how he was in this story
Exactly
Yeah, like don’t get me wrong what he said during the nine and three quarter sections I interpreted less as
“Hey look how cool I was”
And more
“Hey son I did a cool thing let’s try and connect by my telling you about it.”
But besides that I’m in agreement
Cause this is not Harry. Not any of the characters are like what they were supposed to be. Harry Potter and the cursed child is just not a part of the original story at all. Don't want to be rude but the existence of this 8th book is quite stupid, but this guy made it still quite better.
@@goddhoward388 you know, it could work if harry was talking qbout it like he thought that sort of thing was just normal stuff. He doesnt need to be purposefully bragging, he could just think its par for the course.
The way Hermione works wouldn't let her have an affair with Harry, also Harry respects Ron too think of doing that.
Not to mention, he would sooner have an affair with Ron. There are signs of Harry being in the closet in canon.
@@KashyaCharsi yeah, i can't wait for Rowling to make this canon any minute now
Exactly. And characters should never change or make mistakes!
Hermione is more like a sister to Harry. He said it
@@jrbowler84 gross, better idea: have the paper accuse them of having an affair by twisting their conversation for profit.
"Albus, as a failed wizard, is against audience expectations." Yes - that would make Albus on par to an early Neville.
Melodie-Allyn BenEzra yes! And along that parallel he could get better as the new trio goes on their adventure like Neville did after he got his own wand and trained with the DA.
That’s exactly what I thought! ‘My family all thought I was a squib.’ And then when Nev tells about being dropped out of the window you’re like, child abuse, because seriously, Uncle Algie was distracted? Seriously? He had a child in his hands.
Melodie-Allyn BenEzra - Which would make Harry’s treatment of him in this new version even stupider. Neville would probably say something to Harry about how everyone thought he was weak and look where he was now. Harry would set about tutoring Albus, even talking to him about the DA and how he managed to turn bumbling, nearly a squib Neville into a badass who helped turn the tide at the battle of Hogwarts. Obviously Harry doesn’t expect him to do something like that, but just because he’s not strong now doesn’t mean he won’t grow, and Harry would be right by his side helping however he can.
@@flyingninjafish1558 I didn't care for Harry's attitude towards his son Albus in Cursed Child. It bothers me to no end that he fails to learn the very specific life lesson he SHOULD have learned. Practically every adult in Harry's life failed to take Harry's personal feelings into account. Rather, everyone had expectations.
Harry should have considered this. But no. He only has expectations for Albus, and does not take his thoughts and feelings seriously until FAR too late.
I think of "The Cursed Child" as bad fanfiction.
Melodie-Allyn BenEzra Neville was hapless, yes, but I think of Albus as being angrier than Neville ever was.
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How to fix Harry Potter and the Cursed Child:
Step 1: Gather all copies of the script and put them in a big pile
Step 2: Apply lighter fluid liberally
Step 3: Apply lit match to the pile
Step 4: Break out the S'mores
Cate Hamilton FIrE tHe ExTrA AuThOrS.
Is step four optional?
Cate Hamilton
S'mores really?
Why not just some good old fashioned popcorn?
Jordthe destro1 or some hot dogs
Cate Hamilton Wow, the tables have turned. Back in the day weak-willed, Bible-thumping fundamentalists burned Harry Potter books, some twenty years later and look what we're contemplating...
The way you changed Delphi is so good, 100% agree with making the character unattached from Voldemort and giving her her own identity
It's rather out of character for the abused orphan Harry, who's deepest wish in first year was for _family_ to cheat, and with Hermione at that. So, imo, make it a frame-up, _Reeter Skeeter Tabloid_ style case, while it's really just an extension of the platonic relationship they've had for the last 30 years.
Maybe Ron and Hermione have been having problems at home, and Harry's a sympathetic ear?
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Rather than an AK, have Harry throw something nasty, lethal, but _legal._ Both as a way to illustrate that Harry, over the last 19+ years, has learned, grown, and become a powerful member of the Auror corps, working with knowledge and skill over dumb luck, and throws shades of grey into the character, and magic in general, rather than Light Magic, Dark Magic!
The Use of Lethal Force still results in an investigation, suspension, whatever.
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IMO Ginny being the one cursed, in a dark reflection of the Chamber of Secrets storyline. Then the Tabloid piece drops. Ron explodes, full on row, and leaves a la DH.
Have Hermione ousted from office if needed, but _legally._ Not necessarily in a vote of no-confidence, or impeachment...
Maybe it's just elections? The stress of Political campaigning could be a contributing factor to the marriage difficulties Ron and Hermione have been having.
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Delphi being the daughter of Voldemort actually works on some level, since it could be considered a callback to the 'Pureblood Dogma' shtick relating to the Neo-Death Eaters.
That said, in order to make her her own villain, don't play up the Voldemort side too much, focus more on the idea that she's _Bellatrix's_ daughter, and a Lestrange (albeit not by blood). Give her neo-DEs some nasty darker magic, not just the 'Unforgivables,' and show what the implications are behind that too. Maybe even the same spell Harry used when defending Albus at the train station.
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Finally, don't forget that Harry and Ginny have three children (and a Godson), and Ron and Hermione have two. Bit parts or not, James exists, Lily exists, and it's easy character development to have Albus interact with other members of his family than just an estrangement with his dad.
Chrono Pie Love all of your ideas. I did notice Teddy’s absence. Teddy is important because he has no family, making him a mirror image of young Harry. I’m curious to know what happened to him.
This is actually really good.
I love all these ideas. Would really put in some real character development. 😍👌
*This* sounds better. Thank you. ☺️
Chrono Pie this is gonna sound so dumb, but can you please put this in simple English?
Harry and Hermoine having an affair will always be a NO for me, I liked the rest ALOT
Someone hire this man
Austin: Hermoine's political rivals look for dirt on her in order to remove her from office, they find out she's been having an affair, the world finds out about it, Hermoine resigns from office, the public hates her, and she's lost everything
Me: Has someone been listening to Hamilton?
HeadCanon 18:12
Well at least she didn't, you know, publish a paper about it.
@@alexplaysminc.-.5922 The Pottah Pahmphlet
Pansy Parkinson MA'AM
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TBH, the story should've been called something like "The Cursed Child: A Harry Potter Story"; yes we wanna see Harry Potter all grown up, but HIS story is with the original books. This book needs to be about the new generation.
Yea the real title implies that it's a story about Harry when it's really not lol
@@highdefinition450
Indeed. And Austin’s premise is that the play is still Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and marketed as Book 8(despite violating the ethos of the book series).
So it needs to be a Harry Potter story with a passing of the torch to the Young Guns.
6:09 “Not everything’s black and white”
Well, Hermoine is.
*Edit:* No need to be so racist in the comments guys. It was a good comment, we’ve had our fun, no need to go spouting off about black people in the replies
lol
BURN-
OH GOD
Who are you so wise in the ways of science?
I was so confused and angry when I saw her portrayal in this lol 😂😂
This should also be called *Albus* Potter and the Cursed Child to make it clear to the audience that this *is* a passing of the torch.
AJW but Albus IS the cursed child. So basically you’re saying it’s Albus Potter and Albus Potter
Fancy Cat Productions albus potter and voldemorts daughter
AJW but yhenit would be called ‘Albus Potter and Albus Potter’ because albums is the cursed child
what about: Albus Potter and the Time Turner
What I wouldnt give for you to make more of these "How to fix *bad story*" ❤❤
Anscer Ram another channel did it with the Star Wars prequels, can't remember name though
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the prequels are perfect when you know how to watch em
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Harry an hermione having an affair goes against the characters i could never imagine the pair doing something so mean to ron
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris I'd argue that people do change, but not on such an extreme level, as well as the fact that Hermione and Harry are constantly shown in the books as serious, Hermionie especially, and she acts like the grown up version of young Hermionie, both at the end of the 7th book, and the cursed child.
Harry's interactions with Ginny at the and of the 7th book and the Cursed Child don't show much, so you might be able to have it strained standalone, but both Harry's and Hermionie's personalities go against an affair between each other.
And that's if they didn't care about each other's spouses, but Ron is Harry's best friend, or at least was; and Ginny is someone Hermionie knows on a personal level *and* the sister of her husband. So the two characters, who's never been shown to go blinded by love, have an affair with each other, betraying all of their closest friends and relatives, without divorcing and remarrying. I'm sorry but that makes absolutely no sense
I agree it seems odd
As if Hermione would ever jeopardize her career for an affair. Girl is too career driven for that mess.
the affair isnt a good idea. all ron's life he had to share everyting and get hand-me-downs. He even had to share friendships with hermione, he gets jealous alot and hermione's love is something he wants for himself since he loves her alot, ang imagine how heartbroken ron would feel if his best friend and his wife had an affair. And that is actually a headcanon i read somewhere.
My one issue is that Harry and Hermione having an affair doesn't fit their characterization. I agree they should have something to do, but it should fit the personality they've developed over the series. If it was a fake-out and they weren't actually having an affair, then it might work. You could even work more on Ron's insecurities he showed in book 7
Hentai Girl +
Good points, Hentai Girl
What if Ron has a cuckolding fetish. They're adults now, I'm sure they figured out their fetishes. Just imagine Hermione looking Ron in the eye through the slits of the closet and yelling "Harry, you're the greatest wizard ever, Ron's wand never reached so deep into my cauldron!"
what is this example
Was gonna say something about this. Harry was born and bred by loyalty. Someone being disloyal killed his parents and helped Voldemort rise to power twice. He never got to grow up with his family because of it, there is no way in hell he would jeopardize his current family and life of his son for someone with whom he'd never had feelings for. It is a COMPLETE character break and if it was written this way, would feel like a cheap attempt to build tension.
I agree with most of your changes, I think Delphini should remain being school-aged. Her backstory shouldn't be tied to Voldemort but I don't think we should Snoke it by trying to make her this elderly mysterious figure either. She could be seemingly the next Harry Potter, she's brave, powerful and cunning, the very traits that almost put Harry in Slytherin. She's a foil to Albus as she lives up to the expectation that he was meant to. However her cunning traits leads her to believe that rules, laws and morality are merely suggestions lining her path with the Death eaters where her gifted traits leads her to her own demise. This way "The Cursed Child" as a title still retains a double meaning, referring to both Albus in relation to his reputation as the child of the boy who lived whilst also referring to his foil Delphini who has been cursed with her gifted talents in spell casting, which ultimately consume her. Her conflict I think should be morality vs success, a internal battle that she ends up loosing. The old witch element just seemed to be more for the sake of it, but it didn't really play into the themes of both the original story or even your adaption.
Also I'm not a fan of the affair being so _'outright'_ They can be tested but it shouldn't be something that definitive. I think there are more stronger ways their relationship tests and trails can be included. I think without a conclusion story post Cursed Child that wouldn't be a good question to leave the audience with, as it would merely frustrate them if there is no more story after that.
That’s a brilliant idea!
This!!! The out right affair to me seems a little too un-Rowling like, it should be a little more subtle and be played up in later productions, but also be small enough to be satisfying enough that if there were no follow ups, we still have a cohesive story. The big fault with this version is that it relies on the existence of a sequel, something rare in West End.
But, I think that having Delphine be a bit older might also be a good idea, as it may be difficult for Potter heads to understand why their great and powerful Harry can't defeat a 16 year old girl
Maybe her connection to Voldemort is that she is in charge of a cult that worships him?
Snoke*
Dr Matt Phillips I agree!
I like the Idea of Delphi being an ancient witch. For me, one of the coolest aspects of the Fantastic Beasts movie was learning about magic from other time periods and in other places besides Hogwarts. I think exploring ancient wizardry would be hella cool!
I definitely agree with this: having Delphi as a daughter of a meglomanic who wanted to obtain inmortaly sounds stupid, she would do better as a kind of resurrection of the old Morgan le Fey or so. Maybe she could be so old that did teach Grindlewald of Voldemort a few tricks.
kamion53 and then let's imagine Albus' shock:)
I feel that idea was kind of weird and somewhat bad. Where the hell was she during the two wizarding wars? Voldemort was winning so it would have made sense for her to be at his side.
The villain should be someone with distorted ideals like the previous big bads eg. Voldemort and Grindelwald. A big bad in CC seemed shallow for a HP character.
Me in early 2017: Audiences might be willing to go for a choice this risky with the legacy characters.
Me after The Last Jedi: The split between audiences would be a nightmare fire from which we would never return.
It would have been the most divisive story for Millennials who grew up with the novels
>(rightfully) says Cursed Child is "like a bad fanfic"
>adds an affair subplot
You REALLY had me up until the affair idea...
I totally agree that they only developed the new characters and it makes the whole story play out like poorly written fanfic but making Harry and Hermione have an affair would not be “giving them something to do during the play” it would be undoing everything the books told us about their characters and furthering the fanfic feeling. I also REFUSE to believe Harry or Hermione would ever do that to Ron and Ginny. There HAS to be something else besides an affair that the original trio can have some drama about
An affair isn't out of character. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Copy pasted your answer? XD fair enough.
But no seriously an affair is totally out of character
@@cetomedo I ask how an affair is out of character? These characters were teenagers the last we saw them and it's very possible they would shift their feelings around after 20 years.
@@FraserSouris I've answered that in one or two of the other replies to your other comments, just look for one that's more than a sentence long
@@FraserSouris Well, they wouldn’t change their feelings in 20 years, because it never showed anything that shows that Harry loves Hermione romantically in the 19 years later chapter or scene.
Can we make THIS version cannon
Luna Lovegood How do you Get that username?!
magic!
Unfortunately, this version may only exist in headcanons.
I wish we could
Headcanoned so hard
“In my version Harry and Hermionie are having an affair”
I nearly feel out of my chair that’s so ridiculous
9:25 I would suggest adding a bit where Harry looks at his wand in shock and realizes what he just did.
(Also, I agree with everyone else that the affair is a bad idea.)
Shiiit. I'm taking this as canon.
I second the motion...
No but seriously, can we make this canon? Is there a rule that stops us?
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Batman Jr. Same
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Damn, Austin! Back at it again with the dope-ass analysis.
guerrilla warfare*
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Everything but the affair is good, it would seem like a bad fanfiction. But that train scene was really brilliant!
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris Bro, it’s just to weird. Ron is Harry’s best friend in the books, I just can’t picture him doing that. It would be quite frankly completely out of character, and if your explanation for that completely out of character incredibly important change is simply a 10 years later time jump at the end of a chapter, then it would also come as really fucking lazy.
@@hjj9269 From a storytelling perspective, The whole premise of Cursed Child is that we've had that 19 year time jump and this is the consequence of the stuff that's happened in the meantime. Not that 19 years jump itself. Perhaps if that were the story it could spend more time justifying how the affair might have occurred but that's not important to this story. It's not lazy because that's just the nature of time jumps. Going back to justify it in the Cursed Child bogs down the story. So the only way such a plotline works is if it's happening before our eyes.
Plus, I ask, how is it out of character? People have cheated with their best friend's spouses before. Hermione is one of the few people Harry has a personal connection to and after 19 years, could have something arise between them. Can you tell me that how you were at 17 years old is how you were in your 30's?
@@FraserSouris 12! It would, of course, work if you had an entire act showing what happened in said time gap, and some really huge events changed Hermionie and Harry's characters deeply, but both the 7th book and the current version of the cursed child book go against it. Also while people have cheated with their best friends' spouses before, that'd go against both someone who cares about everyone around him to the point that he'd sacrifice his life for those who aren't even his best friend, and Hermionie, a literal minister, and also someone who would risk her life for anyone she cares about even slightly, betray their shared closest friend, and Ginny, their friends' sister, and also someone they care about substantially. For them to both experience 180 character changes but stay as people who would risk their lives for everyone, seems like a stretch
@@hjj9269 Harry & Hermoine are also best friends, so? I mean they have a strong connection too. It is a deep betrayal but not impossible just hard for you to swallow. It's out of character cause they're 20 years older!!! Most 11 year olds don't dream of having affairs lol.
Harry literally says that Hermione is like his sister in DH. Y'all are so weird.
Are you familiar with the entire state of alabama?
@@davidj3841 nigga they're in Britain
Bruh do you know how many times I've said that to my homies about a girl over the years to hide the fact that I had a massive crush? Feelings change over time brother, even if he once considered her a close friend, it is not entirely implausible that he would eventually end up developing other feelings for her as well.
Imo though he wouldn't act on said feelings even IF he had a crush on Hermione, simply because it doesnt fit Harry's character at all.
Most people are not really on board with the whole 'affair' thing anyway.
@@therealmoftf4719 But the books are from Harry's POV. We see what he sees and we feel what he feels. At no point in any of the books has Harry showed remotely any attraction towards Hermione romantically. We learned that Harry had a type and it wasn't Hermione. ^^ Her argumentative personality was an issue too. Given how he grew up with the Dursleys, it's not surprising.
Harry saying he's always viewed her as a sister (mainly because she acted like one towards him) matches his thoughts and actions throughout the entire series.
How to fix Cursed Child:
Step one: Get all seven of the Dragon Balls.
Step two: Summon Shenron.
Step three: Make Cursed Child disappear and have everyone forget about it.
Step four: Give the creativity back to the fans.
There. Done.
You expressed what I wanted to say in a more original and practical way; whilst I was only going to suggest the erasure of the play from History, you actually provided a plan to do so. I'm not sure about step four...there's too many diverse stories and headcanons made by fans to make a coherent narrative out of it...unless you were simply saying that without CC fans don't have to (possibly) constrain their fanfics according to the play, thus only using JKR's books as a canonical source material.
Dragonball Z? Mixed with Harry Potter? I'll take it, anything is better than 'Cursed Child'.
Let’s just gather up secret wizards from all over the world to use the spell ‘Obliviate’ to make everyone forget about ‘The Cursed Child’
Love triangle would be a dumb idea imo. Just a cheap way to get some boring drama and feels out of character. The rest was good though!
I'd argue it works. Can you really say that these characters, because of how they acted from ages 11-17 would never ever feel attracted to each other? Especially given Hermione is one of the few people to understand Harry's pain and has travelled with him for years? Not to mention how many people still think Harry and Hermione should have ended up together? Things change when you grow up, possibly their feelings towards each other as well. Maybe for Harry, life isn't all that glamourous anymore and Ginny isn't helping. So he tries to delve back into his past by meeting up with Hermione over tea or something. They realise their feelings for each other and give in. Boom, affair, fan service, plotpoint and a better one at that than the cursed child. Plus it's actually used for plot and character development.
The Harry Potter Stories haven't shyed away from often discussing more adult or realistic topic before. An affair isn't out of the realm of possibility. It would show that even the straightest of characters can act crooked in their weaker moments. It also insinuates that a lot has happened since we last left them on the platform at the end of book 7. Perhaps they're not the same people we had come to know. Perhaps they've made mistakes that will ruin their childhood trio forever. It's true to real life, and it makes the heroes a bit more penetrable.
@@FraserSouris 9(¾)!
@@FraserSouris bruh how many times did you even copy and paste that message?
YES DUMB IDEA INDEED
Yeah, all affairs feel out of character. That’s why people get divorced when they happen.
An affair just makes it worse.
Harry *"I MUST NOT TELL LIES"* carved-into-the-back-of-his-hand Potter, having an affair? Don't worry about genre breaks; that's a character break my man.
Harry was never the strongest of wizards, nor the smartest, he wasn't even always the kindest (often times being self absorbed or chafing against the weight of the world) But he was always, unfailingly, honest and loyal. He stood by his convictions and commitments come hell or high water - for better and worse. It's only the core of his character; he wouldn't treat anyone, let alone Ginny, to an affair, even if he was unhappy. He's far too good at bearing his own suffering anyway.
Plus, Ginny would kill him.
But, other than that, good ideas.
How many times do you need to post this same comment?
@@HuntingViolets At least once more Miss Swan, as always.
Benign Viewer affairs can come from the kindest and most honest people, anyone who's lived in the world could tell you that. affairs usually don't happen because someone's unhappy, but because they're bored. someone who risked death throughout his teen years and then gets relegated to a desk job sounds like exactly the kind of person who would get bored.
If anything, that reputation and scar on the back of his hand would add to his guilt and make the situation even more dramatic for him. A person can change a lot in a few decades.
Yeah I was on board up until the affair portion of it all, then it just seemed like another crappy fanfic
You got me in "Harry uses avada kedavra"
Produce this shit RIGHT NOW
thx
He actually tried in the half blood prince while snape was escaping
supercomputer2004 did he? I thought he only tried Secrumsempra
@@lyndsey8088 snape said "no unforgivable curses from you potter" or something close to that
@@supercomputer0448 Well you realy have to want it. So maybe after his son was hurt he wanted subconsciously to kill them? I don´t know 🤷🏻♂️
@@radtaso738 it was crucio yeah, i mean it was more like "Cruc-" and then snape blocked it
I just love this so much. I would've probably cried if I would've read that Harry used Avada Kedavra for the first time in his life to protect his son! It is so like Harry! He doesn't say to his son that he wishes he wasn't his. NO! That's not HARRY! This is Harry. He will do anything to protect the ones he love and do the right thing.
It makes so much sense because he snaps in Order of the Phoenix, and he'd snap even more here.
This shitty fanfic called Cursed Child is an insult to Harry Potter fans, and this video is proof a random nobody can write HP better than Rowling and her new dogs.
Jason Godwin Can you be any more obvious with that bait. Nice attempt though.
me who doesnt read harry potter: "wow this is cool"
everyone else: "the affair isnt a good idea"
me: "man why did he add the affair"
@@askinredroads5132 _Sometimes_ the mob is right. Just because it's a mob doesn't mean it's wrong. You have to look at the context just like anything else. In this case, it really is just a bad idea, that people just happen to be unanimous in their agreement about.
Just like they're _also_ in agreement that the killing-curse bit is good.
your story will forever be my 8th harry potter book
I got stuck at minute 13. Right after you ripped off the plot of "Sky High" (Yep, a disney movie about superheros in highschool)
My main problems with your take:
An Affair between Harry and Hermione is super Out of character for both of them. Ron is literally Harry's brother and Hermione is just Hermione. Do you want "adult conflicts?
-Ron and Hermione's marriage is having problems because she is Minister of Magic. Ron cant deal with the imbalance of their roles in the marriage and Hermione is never really home (Ron was super jealous of Harry during the Triwizard tournament, so this is not that out of character for him)
-Harry and Ginny's marriage is dying because they got married super young, Ginny finally got to see harry as something more than her crush and Harry is angsty and moody and hates public attention. Harry discovers that he doesnt really have much in common with Ginny.
I dont see Harry ever hurting Ron, but i see him not being the best husband. I can forgive the book underplaying Ginny, if that's a sign of their bad marriage.
Other Adult conflicts:
-Harry is not really the most amazing dad (as in the book) he tries and he provides but he is impatient and has a lot of expectations, he soon discovers that he is still hurting because of how he was treated as a kid by the Dursleys, and gets depressed.
Draco´s redemption is really one of the best things of the book. and i HATE that you just used Draco as the bad guy again. Draco wants to do better, and that's why Scorpius is a decent kid. Voldemort lived in Malfoy manor, so im sure Draco ended up a little traumatised after the whole thing. It doesnt make sense for him to be a "villain" anymore, he is rich, he knows better, he doesnt really have a motive.
Scorpius having a crush on Rose doesnt make sense. The whole let's save Cedric doesnt make sense, let's save Sirius, let's save George (or fred), let's save Lupin,... Cedric was cool and all, but no one really cared.
The Delphi thing makes no sense, Voldemort was anything but human. So something as average as having a kid is just... nope. What about making Delphi, Bellatrix kid, and instead of a student, having her being a young attractive teacher or assistant or whatever.
How does this not have more likes? Your suggestions are all way more in character.
_Except for with Draco;_ What if Draco has some legitimate reasons to oppose Hermione and raises some fair points about her lacking capabilities; some in-character downsides like Hermione always being to caught up in her plans, wasting time and resources on long-term projects that no one else cares about, in the middle of a financial recession? That would be a valid reason for Draco to go along with an opposition campaign. I don't see him being the instigator of such motion; there should be other, more hard-core "old guard" authoritarian wizards who think Hermione is a spineless progressive. Draco can actually back her up among his buddies, being the first guy at the right-wing tables to give her the benefit of the doubt and call for restraint and cooperation; and it's only after some great failure, especially one that puts his son at risk, that he is finally forced to call Hermione out and let his more right-wing associates go through with their opposition motions.
i agree with the draco point. he needs a redemption arc, and i can see that he actively tries not to make the same mistakes as his father which is why scorpius is who he turned out to be.
Now this is something I agree with.
I agree with the most of this, especially the Draco bit
@@samwallaceart288 that's so true. That would be really good.
I love everything but the affair. They would never do that. Why not make it like their planning something political or something like that and it sounds like an affair. Like, they're still lying to their spouses but just not fucking each other. Keep everything but the affair. I also love how Harry uses the killing curse in a moment of weakness for his son. It kinda tells us he's not a boy anymore.
Yeah. Would have preferred if he went for something like...
Because of this new, mysterious threat, Harry and Hermione were spending too much time at the office, not enough time at home. (There's even reference to this in the Cursed Child.) And perhaps, there's sensitive information coming from their investigation that they just can't discuss with their spouses. That might create the tension this 'fix' is going for without actually making them do things they would never do.
However, I also don't see Harry using an Unforgivable Curse outside the context of war. Another (dangerous) spell would do.
opsatr like maybe the spell snape made sectumsempra or however u spell it
Dude I SO FEEL THIS
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes! A hundred times yes this is great.