I just wish Millie wasn't used in the service of developing Blitzo, because he developed more than Millie did. Millie doesn't really get an arc, she's just given focus to make it seem like she does.
Viv seems to think that's the primary use for female characters in Helluva Boss. Propping up her male characters. Loona props up Blitzo. Octavia props up Stolas. Millie pops up all of IMP. The other female characters are either a) one-off Clients, or b) anagonists, or c) dead moms.
Okay, Im gonna say something that's just factual at this point: Stolas has successfully manipulated blitz to feel guilty. Weve seen throughout the show that stolas does not give 2 shits about him, and even when he did, it was a manipulative move called "Testing" in the full moon. In the most recent episode, we see blitz feel terrible about it, although he had every right to be angry. How do I know this? Because I've experienced this first hand.
Blitzo feels out of character in this episode when he forces Loona to stay overnight to burn a bunch of taxidermy like I get maybe him giving Moxxie that task but Loona. What does his relationship with Stolas make him overlook how his daughter feels about it
So I'm not alone with that feeling, i see. It was very strange to see him treat Loona like that. But I'd also say that everyone felt a little out of character in this episode.
THIS!! when my siblings and I watched this episode i was so taken aback by how out of character blitz was?? i get hes impulsive and ‘depressed’ over what happened with stolas but the blitz we know wouldn’t go out of his way to cause his employees any distress and suffering? loona looked absolutely exhausted (the daughter he was SO worried about that he made sure to put her first in nearly every episode from season 1) and moxxie who we’ve seen he cares deeply about too, it just doesn’t feel right.. i’m not saying blitz did it on purpose completely but he literally spent his and all his employees earnings on useless things! i thought it’d take the direction that blitz would suffer in silence and pretend everything is fine but nope, that wasn’t the case.
As a big fan of Millie, I'm glad we finally got her backstory on joining I.M.P. What I'm not a fan of is when we got it: The 3rd to last episode of season 2. What the fuck, Vivzie. She's literally one of the main characters in the show. You wanna be too busy developing that Owl Twig instead of using that development on the other characters. "The show isn't over yet. Be patient." We're not supposed to be waiting on a MAIN character to finally get development in the 2nd season. Now the supporting character, sure, but the main?? Hell no. Fans wanna cry out, "The show isn't about the company. It's about Blitz and his relationships." OK. How about we explore his relationship with Millie more often then?? Their friendship is important too. Ghostf**kers was OK but a little disappointing because her and Blitz bonding could've been happening way more before this episode. I liked the client too (I think they said her name was Rita) so I agree with you on that. Bethany was cute also but I feel like people only love her because Erika Henningsen, Charlie's VA voiced her. Missed opportunity to have Rolando possess Millie because why do we have to see traumatized Blitz again?? Yes, we know it's Halloween and that he's the main character, but come on. We already know what happened in his past numerous times. It would've been really cool to see Millie struggling to keep up with her siblings as a child as we see that her childhood wasn't all dandy. I'm predicting Mastermind to be nothing but more ammo for Stolitz fans to use against the people who hate the ship. I hope Vassago is good but knowing Vivzie, she's gonna screw him up too. Now I am guilty of buying a lot of merch but most of it was when it was actually worth the price. This current lineup however is not. I had to snag that shirt with Sallie May and Millie on it because why not, but half of it is not that good especially since they're only around for a limited time. I could customize a shirt online and just put the word "staff" on it. What a bland shirt. The pin with Blitz's mom on fire continues to be more Blitz torture. I don't care how much the fandom hates them. Give us more merch for the agents and cherubs. Having the cherub trio as plushies would be so adorable and the agents could fit very well on shirts, hats, mugs etc with hilarious quotes. Now I definitely agree that having merch for each episode and short is a bit much. Yes it helps the show but do we need merch for every single episode and short?? There's no point in doing that since they're not even gonna be around for too long. Overall, I loved this discussion video. These over 60 minute long vids are just as good as your other ones so I can't wait to see what you and your friends discuss next.
The saddest thing is that Blitz is getting guilt tripped by many people around him when most of the issues weren't his fault to begin with. Heck, he didn't do it intentionally except the part where he robbed verosika's car and money for horse riding lessons which that's on him and the part where he filming his staff personal life without any boundaries. The outrageous part is when Stolas is treated as the victim only when he is a terrible partner who treats him as a pet with these nicknames he been calling him and a shitty father who he ignored his own daughter as he broked a promise while blitz treats Loona as a actual daughter more than a servant/pet despite being two different species.😒 Speaking of Loona, I hope we get to see her of her being grateful towards blitz because so far, we haven't see it yet as her abusive behaviour is labelled as jokes which confuses the tone of the show.
@@nickbanks7954Unfortunately you're right. The writing of the show is getting more worst as they are ignoring the things at the first season and when did addressed them, they put in the laziest way because the plot of the story is a mess.
Loona is similar to Blitz, except she apparently spent most of her life in the equivalent of hellhound prison. She'll eventually get enough episodes to work out her issues. Loona is grateful but she has a lot of baggage
@seeleunit2000 Yeah, that's true. What really bothers me is her abusive behaviour is nothing but comedy yet Stella's behaviour is rhe same yet serious which confuses the use of tone for the story. Another example is when Angel dust is getting sa'ed by valentino, it is very disturbing but when pentious suffered by that same type of abuse, they put it as joke because he is a unserious character.
Imagine if Blitz was a female imp and Stolitz had the same transactional deal with Blitz. I highly doubt the fandom would see Stolitz as the uwu soft owl boy who's been painted as the victim. Research that scene in Full Moon and just imagine if Blitz was a woman. Blitz isn't perfect and has his own issues to work through, but man he deserves better not Stolitz.
You know it’s honestly sad that blitz keeps getting gaslit into feeling guilty he had every right to say that he wasn’t in a relationship with that fucking bird
He feels bad because he DOES love Stolas, that's an well established fact. But he fell in love with the projection he had of Stolas he created on his mind as shown in Truth Seekers. And convinced himself that Stolas DON'T love him, period. Stolas ended up unconsciously validating this assumption back at Ozzie's, when he hides his face ashamed, which he was of himself, but Blitz translated of Stolas being ashamed of >HIM
It does piss me off quite a bit how Blitzo is connected to absolutely EVERYONE. This damn world feels so SMALL now. Not to mention that this show tries to paint him as some misunderstood softie when he DID threaten to r*pe Moxxie and Millie in the first episode. The only time when he can be in the wrong is with Stolas who I think will be main focus on S3 (God help us all). I personally do not care about this story anymore. I haven't even watched latest episode and skipped through previous one. There is nothing for me left in this story. It is basically my Becker (Bojack reference). I still make my own fic and my own AU of this and that is enough for me, but as it is. Show proper just feels so stupid to me.
Saying he was going to grape M&M from that one joke that he did in ep 1 feels like a huge strech, I usually don’t like the "it’s a joke" excuse but like it was? Blitzø had a thing for both of them, so that was the joke Like Blitzø would never got that far, or atleast I hope the writers didn’t imply anything.
To be honest i feel that 90% of blitz problems are not actually his fault but the people around him jumping into conclusions instead of raionalizing it like normal people, wich is actually fittiing considering that they are demons and are supposed to be jerks....if it wasnt for the show making them uwu victims who do nothing wrong and making blitz look like the devil
Thank you for saying this! Half the people he hurt isn’t his fault, blame the guy who thought it was a smart idea to bring a cake to an extremely flammable circus. And wtf did he do to Loona exactly?? Love her? Baby her too much? The audacity!
@Birdyboys blitz wasn't responsable for what happened to fizz or how he decided to distance him from blitz instead of confronting him and solve their problems like normal adults Blitz wasn't responsable for barbie pushing him away when he clearly shows that he cares about her and wants to fix their relationship Blitz wasn't responsable for verosika narcisistic spite against him for breaking up with her Blitz wasn't responsable for loona begin an abusive daughter Blitz wasn't responsable for stolas petty narcisism and is incapability of admiting is mistakes The only things that you could blame on blitz is his treatment of moxxie, but this show didnt even included him in apology tour, so by the show logic, blitz has to apologize to people that caused their misery on themself instead of the one person that he actually hurted
@@TwilightVoid-h4s imagine getting adopted after 17 years without fathers and havign a dad that truly loves you, and how you repay him? Abusing him, damn you loona
If nothing else, the infestor demon stole the show for me. He's actually taken seriously, isn't a joke villain for once, and I especially like how he's able to possess others. It's really lame that Viv's shows are all about demons and yet demonic possession is rarely ever used or even mentioned. Demons in general in this universe are so weak and limited, and that makes me sad. IMP actually doing a job outside of the shorts is also nice. Stolas being put on the back-burner is VERY nice. I really wish they'd drop the Stolitz nonsense altogether and focus on Blitzo past. It's SO much more interesting than his drama with Stolas. If they insist on making the show a soap opera now, and least focus on the drama that's actually interesting.
I would have added necromancers, spirit callers, ghouls, zombies, skeletons warriors, banshees, spirits, fallen angels, nephilim, and many more in the show.
@@nickbanks7954 But if you did that, when would we EVER have time for the garbage Stolitz ship that nobody, except people who crave mindless drama, actually likes? 😱
@@crazycookie4645I guess I'm too big brained for these ideas. I didn't know I was applying to be a Special Ed teacher. Then, again, the students would get it more than the writers at Spindle Horse.
@@nickbanks7954 I'll give Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss this: they make great springboards for fan content. Too bad the actual writers don't utilize their own ideas well.
@@crazycookie4645They're sitting on gold and don't even realize it. They are lucky I ain't in there, because I would seize the opportunity like an Invader (pardon the pun).
@@ArteiceTB Stolas is going to have his assets liquidated by Andrealphus and Stella and Octavia is gonna get ice powers and she's gonna leave Stolas. Yada yada yada.
This show still hasn't passed the Bechdel test since Millie and Loona only had a conversation about how Millie was going to help a man and Loona said she would look out for Moxxie. Crazy how they haven't passed it yet. (Except for in the shorts with Millie and her sister I guess but not in the actual show.)
@avivastudios2311 The only time I know that they've passed it was in the hound party episode where the poodle was trash-talking Loona for a few seconds. I wouldn't say the moment between millie and loona passed it since they were on a mission to save men, which was the entire reason they were working together, but maybe since Loona was at the party because of a guy then it may not pass it either (If we're going that far with it.)
I’ll be honest, as harshly critical as I am about Stolitz, I really did not expect the show to go as far as basically abuse and degrade Blitzo’s character so much that he feels like he has to fall in love with his coercive rapist. He finally called out Stolas’s behavior and the show spent several episodes punishing him for him through re-traumatizing him and bullying him. That is… astoundingly bad. I also cannot believe people think ghostfuckers is a Millie episode. It’s not. In fact not a single female character really gets to have an episode where they get to shine. Every Single Episode where they’re mostly in the lead revolves around a man. In Millie’s case, her “episodes” are just her uplifting grown men who act like children. The female representation in this show is genuinely offensive. And you can tell people are getting tired of this show. It’s been a full week and this show hasn’t even hit 10 million views. Remember when it could hit that in a single DAY?
And you know why? Because this show betrayed is premise and changed it for one that is horrible bad, changing a dark comedy for a dark romantic history was already a terrible idea, but they somehow found a way to make that dark romance just "dark" people want to see a funny show about a demon an is bussines, not a history of gaslight and manipulation full of victim blame towards a person that was already full of trauma.
@@Birdyboys I remember. I said that, and someone argued that no, it didn't. Do you also remember some of the episodes reaching between 20-40 million view marks before the year ended or the past full year? I remembered that specifically in season 1.
@@risforrandomandrandomisme762 I totally agree. I actually think it could have been possible to change the premise and still keep it enjoyable (MLP:FIM changed its premise every season) but going from a dark comedy to a serious drama doesn’t work when all of a sudden all those dark jokes about sexual abuse and stalking are meant to be taken seriously… but only if it’s said/done by Blitzo. And Vivziepop clearly does not want people to call out the fact that Stolas is far worse and more cruel than Blitzo. Like poor you, Blitzo didn’t visit you in the hospital and yelled at you. Remember when you put him in a sexually coercive relationship and fucked him up mentally. Blitzo isn’t even fun anymore. It’s like watching an abuse victim get yelled at for being abused and nobody really gives him a proper support system. Look how UNHAPPY he is when he admits he loves Stolas! And I’m supposed to root for this relationship?
@@nickbanks7954 some episodes even had more views than the pilot wich is something that is very rare for an indie show to happen (see murder drones or digital circus for example)
@risforrandomandrandomisme762 let's be real. We all wanted a successor to The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. It's funny dark and hits right at home. Or something like The Sopranos if you wanted comedy and drama all in one.
To be honest my friends and I don’t seem to enjoy the show as we used to anymore I kind of wish they could go back to the original premise what made the show Helluva boss :/
If ya boi had political/ultimate power, I would have brought the original premise right back and dropped the ship completely. I would have also made it comedic and darker with a lot of Biblical allegories and references to real-life events in the Holy Bible. They would be different demons, spirits, and other wicked beings with different weapons, veichles, outfits, and abilities. They would also be different gangs in the Hellaverse and different realms rather than being Hell, Earth, and Heaven. It was almost like it was a video game or something. And if we had Ted Turner money, I would have dropped the musicals (only in Helluva Boss) and replaced it with copyright music for the background scenes. Ex have music from The Cranberries, Bone Thugs N Harmony, etc. Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot. I would also extend the time for each episode between 45 minutes and an hour. Or past an hour on a good day. I would feed the audience like they were starving African Children and I am Mother Teresa.
@@ArteiceTB a lot of people are leaving. This is a bad sign, especially with leaks being out. There needs to be some order and control over in these companies.
honestly, adding onto this particular section 16:49 you can still have Millie being the groups rock but show how being the rock effects HER, how she feels she needs to be strong for everyone and can't tell them about her issues because she's the rock, she's the one everyone relies on. Or maybe her not even thinking what happened to her is that bad, that her issues aren't as bad as the others therefore they're not important. theres so much you can do but they don't do it!!
More things to address is the ghost part. The characters saying that ghosts do not exist when literally demons and angels are real but not ghosts which doesn't make any sense like we have cults in the world. The second is verosika's studios is near I.M P headquarters which is bizarre considering Blitz robbed Verosika so why are they at same building?
yes...... just because a kind of mythical creature exists in a world, doesn't mean ALL other creatures do. Also, yes, I don't get how Verosika's studios being near IMP is a problem? The whole situation at Spring Broken was for a parking slot.
@@storm7428 I thought Verosika's studios was located in a different building. It just that their relationship ended up so badly. I thought ghosts would exists because of rituals.
Looking ahead, if the Octavia-Stolas falling out episode is the one coming out this month, I just know it's going to make me so violently ANGRY that I can't even feel catharsis for Octavia turning on her dad and leaving him. The episode is going to make all the excuses in the world to coddle and baby this twig bird and demonize (pun somewhat intended) the CHILD who needed her parents and reassurance and got blown off by one twice already because he's too obsessed with his booty call and might be being manipulated by the other. I grew up in primary custody of a mother with BOTH Stella and Stolas' toxic traits, there's no way this month's episode is winning me over.
I commented that I bet every dollar I got that Andrealphus is gonna get killed off, and they are going to turn Octavia into a Villian. If it comes true, I'll be as rich as a Rothschild member, and I'll buy the rights off of Viv and do this show justice. AKA, shake things up (a new era with a change). 😂
I feel that this is one of the better episodes in season 2. The negative side of the episode is that they keep trying to spin this narrative as Blitz is the worst person in Hell and that everything is his fault. Not only that, but they keep torturing him with his mother and tragic events in his life. As a result, the show looks like a cruel version of Dan Vs. Another thing is that they keep trying to bully him into submission to get with Stolas and to cushion the blow for Stolas and not call him out on his flaws. It makes Stolas' character more disliked than Valentino because at least we know Val isn't a good person, and he doesn't put on a facade like Stolas does. There, I said it fanbase, I hate Stolas more than Valentino. Trial me, send me to court. I don't care. And for the final 2 episodes on season 2, I bet every dollar I got that Andrealphus is gonna get offed off, and they gonna spin this to make Octavia look like the villian. I heard that the end game for this is Stolitz, and that Stolas is gonna end up working for Blitz, meaning that we are going to end up seeing him all the time. Oh God, no! 😂 This situation is just like how Danny Phantom ended with "Phantom Planet" and how everybody hated it or just thought it was meh. Called it the Steve Urkel effect with Stolas. That's what he is, a side character that got popular for no apparent reason, and it's destroying the show. The only difference is that Steve brought in ratings and money for Family Matters, Stolas doesn't do it for Helluva Boss and the views show it because this episode looks like it's going to surpass both Full Moon and Apology Tour in a couple of weeks. I would have gotten rid of him completely and threw a twist with the whole Goetia family not being big as everyone thought they were. In other words, they were serfs to the big players, just like how they were to the Imps and Hellhounds. Overall, this episode was just a calm before the storm scenario before that F5 Tornado (Stolas) comes back. Even then, he was still in the episode (due to the flashbacks). Also, no Chaz cameo for yours truly (Love Art23). Mission Failed! We'll get em next time. 😂
The writers destroying the main character *just* to make a bad ship canon has to be the funniest way for this show to go out. I'm not very interested in keeping up with HB anymore because of it (actually watching the episodes), but I still like seeking out analysis for the writing and talking about its flaws. It's still a creative enough story even if done poorly. So I agree with your comment, and it really just highlights how this show's gonna end- it is such poor quality there's officially nothing else to look forward to, especially knowing that Stolitz endgame bit. The writing has just become a weird lil fanfic, and it gets wackier like every episode Lol
I ain't gonna spoil any of my Ideas, I would have made an episode of Verosika and how she is like the way she is, and how she became famous. A flashback episode involving her life.
Thank you! I hard-core ship Verosika and Blitz and hope they get back together as I love second chances. Plus they have MORE CHEMISTRY than the entirety of Stoliz.
I wish the show just gave Blitz a moment to genuinely TALK with people, no elaborate hallucinations or anything, while those are good in animation they try to exaggerate the torture he is going through to the point where he gives up on his "flaws" and this whole thing about "SA'ing Moxxie" is simply bad writing from Brandon and co. The Clockwork Orange scene felt overbloated with random stuff instead of specific moments that are able to get Blitz emotionally ;-; and it's exaggerated. I actually made the episode longer (5 chapter arc with 2,000-4,000 word in each chapter), darker, and gave Rolando one job from a certain owl "to break Blitz beyond imagining for rejecting me" but honestly, the villain seemed like an interesting person so I bring him back as an ally, (after the certain owl was basically angry that the envian didn't "break Blitz enough") which should've happened with people like Striker :( I also made sure that half was the Millie and Blitz segment then I.M.P all coming together to save Blitz, it's kinda better if the episode served as a big climax/the start of Blitz finally done with his trauma and healing...
Hoping to see your guys thoughts on mastermind and sinsmas cause from what I’ve seen from the community on twitter and UA-cam it really made or broke the series for people. Especially content creators like sarcastic chorus
That man said screw this and dipped. And what's funny is that he was the main Stolitz shipper, and it made him quit. That's a sign right there for the show. Now, the fandom done turn on him, either saying that he was the worst HB reviewer or don't even know him. It's funny because they probably were watching him because he was one the first to start reviewing the show. No wonder he left the fandom because they never respected him.They call him the worst, where Ayy Lmao and Tsuki Hound still exist in the fandom. 😂 Good for him because the show is going down anyway.
@@nickbanks7954 I am a fan of Helluva Boss and I am so thankful that I don’t have a Twitter. Same thing with Star Wars I am so thankful I can avoid twitter drama.
@@nickbanks7954 I am so happy as a Helluva Boss fan I do not have a Twitter, so so happy. I honestly found this season MID there were some good episodes, some bad, most were underwhelming and mediocre. I completely understand his point about just being frustrated not knowing what to make of episodes for being bland or boring to him. I hope Sarcastic chorus has a good life and can drown out all the people that turned on him. I just wish this fandom wasn’t so vicious.
I'll say this before, and I'll say it again. Blitzø deserves only friendships. Everytime he wants family or romance, it just crashes and burns! I could imagine him having a drink with Husk, Loona, Millie and Crymini. It's freaking adorable and idc what insane shippers say!
I was so excited to see IMP actually doing IMP things, I love the premise of the show’s pilot and wish we spent more time on wacky human hunting hijinks. The whole blitz and stolas melodrama stuff…. I could do without so much of it.
Ghostf@$%ers is by far the better episode of Season 2, but I fear that the episode would be the breather episode before we get to the last two episodes, which would return to the Stolas story and that's not a good thing. Ever since I started watching the show out of curiosity, I thought the premise sounded like a lot of fun, imps from hell starting their own hitman business sounds like a blast. The first episode was great, but once Stolas' story gets introduced in Loo Loo Land, at first the plot didn’t make sense at all, like why hire IMP to be your bodyguards when you have powers, then Stolas appears in more episodes, and everything about him doesn't make any sense. Season 2 feels like the show tried to rewrite Season 1 just for the sake of working in the whole Stolitz relationship and the more I watch it, the more I realize that it's becoming worse as it goes on. It's like the show is written by fangirls rather than actual writers and in the worst way possible. If you intend on creating something, the first thing that you should do, is have a f@$%ing plan and stick with it completely! Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel may have plans from the beginning, but they completely abandoned them in favor of being another thing which completely contradicts everything that was introduced before. I am genuinely surprised how these two shows got so popular in the first place. The premise for both shows sound very creative and promising, but they quickly become abandoned in favor of another which ends up taking over everything and not in a good way. I feel bad for them because under another creative direction, they could've been great adult animated cult classics.
I think one thing funny about the agonizing stolitz conflict throughout the fandom, is that any argument you can come up with to defend Stolas or this writing can be countered by some random statement in LuLu land
Loo Loo Land: the episode where Stolas was on his absolute worst behaviour in the entire first season, the issues involving her daughter were addressed and resolved in the same episode (no, Seeing Stars is not a similar situation)
Seriously, the show either wants to make us hate Blitz or feel so bad for him, and this inconsistency is just so… confusing! He’s supposed to be a in the wrong and needs to learn how to become a better person in the last episode, but now in this one he needs to know that there are always people there for him that he’s helped, so he already was a good person (at least Hell standards) ! It’s so convoluted and confusing, I CAN’T TAKE IT, MAN!
@ Yeah, but the show makes us feel guilty for him in this episode, saying that his actions have helped people he knows. but in the last one we were supposed to be mad at him for “hurting” so many people he doesn’t even know.
Helluva Boss is trying to be Bojack Horseman but fails to understand the point of that show. Bojack Horseman wants you to feel bad for the MC, (Bojack) but still acknowledge that he's a piece of shit who is the cause of most of his problems. Helluva Boss wants to have its cake and eat it too. Show Blitzo being a shitty person...But still act his pain matters more than those he's hurt.
@@PlanetZoidstar it also doesn’t help that the show harps on the wrong things. Why is Blitzo being blamed for being a victim in an abusive relationship and for pushing someone who was stupid enough to bring a flammable cake to a circus. Who cares if if he ghosted Verosika? She SA’d Moxxie . The major flaw with helluva boss is that it wants to tell us it has complicated characters but doesn’t want to write it and expects the fandom to do it for them.
@@Birdyboys Exactly, for some reason only Blitzo's misdeeds are taken seriously. Except when he threatens to rape Moxxie & Millie. Then it's a joke. In fact any time he fucks with Moxxie it's a joke because he's the writer's punching bag and Millie just lets it happen. But when it's someone other than Moxxie there's going to be hell to pay.
The problem is that Bojack horseman wasn’t trying to be an offensive comedy and a heartfelt story. She should have honestly looked at venture bros for reference on how to do that kind of thing correctly.
On the first glance, yaaay we finally have a good Millie episode. But once you actually start to think about it.... Ehhh. Millie is suddenly all right with being away from her husband, which wouldn't be weird if in the previous episodes she wouldn't cry and freak out every time Moxxie gone for 5 minutes. Her relationship with Btitz just popped out of nowhere, since when they're best friends??? Blitz also says something about not wanting to f**k her, but I believe in the second episode he was talking about having a three way with her and Moxxie. She also alright with Loona, which is not that weird, we already saw them work together, but she always called her Hellhound, which would be interesting topic imo. I mean hellhounds are the lowest class after all, it would be interesting to see, that Millie thinks of Loona as a low class dog, and in some episode, Loona proves with her actions that she is more than just a hellhound, and after that Millie apologize and now treat her like a person and respects her. And the backstory sucks. She just sits there in the bar, while in Moxxie's backstory we saw his family business, how he met Chaz, how he get to jail where he met Blitz. And Millie is just there. Did she already left the farm? Did she met Chaz? Why is she such a fearsome toughest imp? Rolando saved the episode 🐟
This show hates blitz and gives him more trauma and hate giveing women more then one character trait the fact it took a full 2 season to get her backstory is something and loona finally talked again and this show Repeats Episodes a lot
How the fuck someone watches this episodes and comes to this conclusion, no one in the entire show hates Blitz more than himself, he has a gigantic massive self hatred that is actually HELPED in this episode by Millie.
Sometimes people say "you can tell who's the author's favorite by how much trauma and/or attention they get" ^^; it's not always received well as good writing tho..
Blitzo did make that commercial about their business and in it, he uses the book. Anyone could easily know from there the grimria was being used by an imp and the book, belongs to Stolas. If the courtroom is about that anyways
I actually would like to see in an episode if Stolas was paying attention that Blitz has a daughter and a life outside of him. Because it seems that he can't fathom Blitz not just being there for his convenience. In fact I wouldn't mind seeing an episode of Loona and Stolas being in the same room talking because it would be an eye-opener for Stolas. Because even she knows her father was sleeping with him for that magic book and having her go off on him would be refreshing
With Blitz' psychology about pushing others away and seemingly self sabotaging- I wish the show would take it seriously, maybe actively show it happening or have it cause setbacks, like on IMP missions or when it comes to bonding with the rest of the cast. But even if it was utilitized in that way, there still isn't much of a theme to connect Blitz' issues to. If HB was about found family and growth, a theme about self worth possibly, then it would work perfectly. Blitz just has so much thematic potential, and so much character psychology work put into him and the show can't help but make it fall flat on its face.
'I hate to see that the numbers are gonna go down significantly' mind you, the biggest week debut for a Helluva Boss episode was The Circus with 12M views.
I kinda hope they bring up the girl who had a kink for monsters that Blitzo solo killed. That she snaps from joy being around so many people that looks like monsters and demons, or that she just tries to get Blitzo's attention any way she can. Even if she gets her own panic button under his desk like we saw early on.
Really can't wait for the newest episode for you to tear into... The continuity shit and logic diarrhea.. especially with Stolas and Octavia... More so the absolute obvious BS you were smelling 500 miles against the wind with Stella that was coming..
@@Derethevil Octavia logic: “My dad has been gone for a month despite trying to call me and my obviously and loudly evil mother and freaky ass (69 god) Uncle are yelling that they’re keeping him away from me. Now Stolas is risking his and his boyfriend’s life to save me from my evil relatives this must mean that…….HE OBVIOUSLY DOESN’T CARE ABOUT ME AND IS TRYING TO ABANDON ME!” Stolas has been a neglectful father and even in an abusive relationship infidelity can fuck up a child especially if you’re going to flaunt that affair in your child’s face in a moment that was supposed be nostalgia and personal to them, but why did they create a scenario where Octavia is completely unjustified to bring this up?
@@lorddevilfish5868 Stola's Fanboy Logic: "He hoots so adorably, all his mistakes are forgiven and he is flawless as a character." No seriously. Octavia asked at the first episode with her, if Stolas is going to leave her for Blitzo. He promised she would always be first. What did Stolas do? Break his promise. But sure. Let's focus on that one tiny oversight from Vivzie. Not like she made millions of other mistakes before that. As long as it fits your narrative that Stolas isn't at fault here, right? Hilarious to me. When others point out Vivzies mistakes with the narrative, you screech like madman at people, for how DARE they criticize Vivzie for it? But if it helps your argument? Then it's alright to suddenly point out these flaws.
@@Derethevil I’m not a Stolas fanboy, I think that the show really messed up with whitewashing Stolas’ treatment of Blitz, and I like Octavia and think that an arc of her disliking him for the affair needed to happen but the tissue getting us there was flawed. My problem is that they’ve written themselves into a corner with this scenario. I don’t think that Stolas should be with Blitzø unless we get an arc of him seriously reflecting on his racism and corrosion. I agree that he should be held accountable for neglecting Octavia, but I don’t understand why Octavia would at this point of story abandon Stolas, seeing how she had an episode with Loona to be more patient with her father and that she never suspects that her mother and Andre didn’t manipulate the situation? This is more a criticism of execution than concept, fyi.
@@lorddevilfish5868 No i do get that. But the problem is Stolas piling on and doin the same mistake over and over again after Octavia already did give him another chance. And you only give someone so many chances. Stolas had a small arc of redemption handed to him, but threw it out the window for getting more imp dick. A real father who really loves his child would go the extra mile first to make sure their child is safe and THEN maybe try to safe his love life. But Stolas always put his love life above her. Even if it wasn't about his love life, he put his problems and grudges above Octavia again just to fight with Stella. Octavia literally said it. "Why does he hate her more than he loves me?" A real father, no matter the circumstances and how it gotten to that point, would always put his childs safety first. And Stolas LEFT Octavia at home while knowing that Stella would pull this bullshit. Or lets say. More so Stella getting suggested to pull that bullshit by her "brother"... thing.. doodad.. icebitch.. whatever it is supposed to be. And that is also one of my biggest gripes with Vivzies writing. A good villain NEEDS a story arc WHY they are the villain or at least give us HINTS or the very least CRUMBS of WHY she really is that way. But NOTHING. Not even dick diddelly. The only thing we get is a lazy. "Haha. Stella is so fucking evil! Sooooo evil. Evil for the sake of being evil. And i so fucking hate this extremely lazy ass writing. It just oozes Vivzies Bias against "normal" personalities or even genders/sexes. And sorry. No one can tell me that Vivzie doesn't love to make straight "cis" women absolute baboons at all times. I don't know a single character in her shows that is fully straight that also has a meaningful personality or role. If they appear, they are killed off. Same with straight guys that are actually straight. Or how people these days even call it: "Superstraight" (That word makes me retch..) So that is why i say. Stolas is this overgrown owldemondickhole that gets overhyped by the fandom. Because the giant manbaby is funny. Paired with giant edgy manbaby called Blitz, the fandom jerks itself off in their sleep to horse clopping, while screeching at the top of their lungs to those few sane individuals who try to have a properly written story arc for the characters Vivzie just pukes out on a whim.
I’m just gonna say it this show is torture porn it’s the writer getting off to blitz suffering this isn’t suffering for characters it’s suffering for the sake of suffering. Also called it the writing wouldn’t get good
It's getting tiresome. Where's the other demons? You know, the ones that are anti God and anti-Christian? This is coming from a Christian man himself who can add Biblical references in the show. Let's be honest. The whole problem is Stolas. He's a character that is killing the show, and most people think he's boring and annoying. Sure, there's a loud minority that's for it, but the silent majority has spoken (ironically, lol).
The episode "Ghost f**kers" is a good one... without the context. First of all, Blitzø being so devastated because of his "break up" with Stolas makes sense without context but with the context it's terrible. Actually, "break up" isn't even a proper term since Blitzø himself states that they've never been in a relationship in the first place but their situation is so complicated that there's no other short way of putting it so I'm just going to call it "break up" i quotation marks. So, about Stolitz and Blitzø himself... the way Blitzø "copes" with their "break up" feels like really Blitzø thing to do... and it doesn't at the same time. It does because because Blitzø is pretty impulsive and we got a little taste of him being a reckless spender when in "C.H.E.R.U.B" episode he spent the money he got from his client right away on something silly and useless (I don't remember what it was exactly beside the fact it was connected to horses). And him just procrastinating all days feels... fine. But on the other hand, it doesn't feel like Blitzø. Because I feel like it's been established like he cares about his loved ones more than he cares about himself. He acts like an asshole, yes, but he's always the one trying to defend those who he cares about. So it feels like his way of coping would surely be destructive like this, even rejecting clients as he was shown to do in the episode. But to intentionally spend the whole money made from his business while not paying his employees, who he cares about, in the process? It feels like a little too much. Doing so on accident would work but it doesn't feel like an accident since we're told it's like this for a month. It looks even worse with the context. Because the context from season first and the last two episodes shows us that Blitzø doesn't love Stolas. It's not love, it's trauma bonding. He was gaslit and guilt-tripped, nothing will make me believe otherwise since beside stopping to make degrading comments (which is the vey minimum) Stolas hasn't changed a bit. He still made sexual comments in the season two though and never showed he actually cares (beside the scene in "Oops" where Blitzø tells about how Stolas "acts like he cares". But I don't recognize that it's canon because it's told, never shown). And beside the ending scene of "Western energy" there wasn't any real sign that Blitzø might care for Stolas. It was just thaf in "Full moon" and "Apology tour" he was gaslit and guilt-tripped. You see, I love characters being tormented and I love toxic relationships... but there always has to be some kind of resolution. A toxic relationship for example may end with the characters leaving each other permamently or getting fixed. But at this point I don't think there's any possibility of fixing Stolitz. Even if Stolas realizes that he's in the wrong even more than Blitzø is, their relationship still has no real fundation. They have no point of connection. Everything there ever was is coercion and now, it's trauma bonding. So the only good solution is for them to end it. But obviously it's not going to happen. The writers are going to push this ship down our throats whetever we like it or not. And I actually do like it. I mean, I like it in the concept, it's great in the concept. But the execution just hurts me. It's just wasted potential... When it comes to Millie... it feels unearned. As you said, it's just skipping to the juicy things without any set-up. It also feels unnatural. Like, you have this character that you've been doing nothing for the first season and the majority of second season. But then you decided that okay, fans are complaining about her lack of development so you have to gove them something to shut their mouths. Millie deserved better! Not to mention that she doesn't even really gets any development in this episode. What does she learns? When you think about it, there's nothing really. We only learned some of her backstory and how she met Blitzø. I liked the flashback sequence but besides that, there's nothing really... At least the relationship between Millie and Blitzø has already been established. But there was no build-up! It felt a little like "Truth seekers" but with Millie instead of Moxxie but worse because while the development from "Truth seekers" was just lost in the void, the development in "Ghost f**kers" never even existed in the first place! Fighting scenes were cool and that's about it...
I'll simply say: thank fuck Apology Tour ended with them not being together because they shouldn't be together AT THE CURRENT STATE. Neither Stolas or Blitz are in conditions to be in a relationship, period.
@@storm7428 Yes. That is correct. Blitzø has too many personal problems. He's self-destructive so even if his relationship with Stolas wasn't coercive in nature, he would still reject him because that's just the messed up kind of person he is. What he needs currently is not a partner but therapy (I mean, it's said he has a therapist in the furst episode but by the way he says it you can clearly say that therapy in Hell isn't really working). As for Stolas, he needs to get his family life under control first. He has a lot going on, like divorce. He also has a daughter that he unforunetly remembers about only if it's convinient for the plot... also, he has to realize his mistakes. Blitzø knows what he did wrong but Stolas lives in his own bubble and doesn't acknowledges that his actions affects other people (it's hilarious that it's said that Blitzø is the one who doesn't pay attention to the consequences of his actions to the other people while this sentence actually fits Stolas a lot better). But even if they do get their private life under control, I don't think there's really any point of them getting together. The writers gave them no connection point. This ship is perfect on paper but the execution is a disaster!
Helluva Boss has a bad habit of giving the emotional payoff with little-to-no setup. Hence the feeling of lack of meaningful closure. It's king the [King Crimson] of storytelling, skipping the cause to get straight to the effect.
@@PlanetZoidstar Yes, "Helluva Boss" has a vey bad habit of doing so. I hate it because it's difficult to feel emotinally connected. Which is unfortunate for me because one of the reasons I get into fiction is to stimulate my emotions. But at least as an inspiring writer I can look at "Helluva Boss" and learn what NOT to do when writing a story so I can still call it win in a way :P
@@demondog9660 I think the problem is that Viv is just copying various romantic drama tropes she's seen in various shows (and Bojack Horseman) and she understands those tropes need to big emotional scenes that resonate with the viewer. But because Viv is not isn't a writer she doesn't understand what is needed to make these scenes work. You actually need to build up to them with strong writing and meaningful character interactions in the lead up to those scenes. Viv either fails to grasp this fundamental aspect of writing or she simply lacks the patience to lay down the groundwork to reach these big emotional scenes. It's not so bad when you're writing an episodic show and you can boil down character arcs to a single episode - but Helluva Boss is not an episodic show. Viv is writing Helluva Boss like it is (how many times has Moxxie repeated the same arc?) but it isn't and that's where the problem comes in. Characters will often begin and complete their character arcs within the span of a single episode...But then the plot carries over into the next episode and their growth essentially resets. But then alot of the time the developmental scenes leading up to the big emotional scenes either a) happen offscreen (and are only alluded to in passing), or b) they don't happen at all. That's when Viv isn't undercutting the big emotional scenes with cringe comedy and crass sex jokes. Like Blitzo asking Fizz if he wants to make out during their moment of reconciliation, it kills the moment.
Let's be honest, Blitz with anything is better than being with Stolas. Even a broomstick and a feather duster is better than Stolas, and both objects are built stronger than him.
@nickbanks7954 Blitz x verosika, blitz x Emberlynn, blitz x fizz, blitz x Mrs Mayberry, blitz x rita and blitz x Bethany ghostf**kers are all better choices
The worst part is stolas is not in the Court Episode in November, which I think is about LooLoo land and imps behaviour on earth. There is a DIFFERENT court scene in season 3 which drags on for some time.
@@Opalhibiscus if that's the case it will be very surprising to see a whole episode without stolas so the actual sins can get actual screentime. I pray to God we see envy ring in mastermind viv doesn't have anymore excuses not to show us it since it would make zero sense to show leviathan before we see the freaking envy ring.
Who is here after the new episode, I feel like there is a chance we’re Stolas can redeem himself by actually realizing how imps live but idk knowing vizie
The episode was eh and ok, I guess. 😅 Also, I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought that the animation in Blitz and Millie’s fight in the flashback felt so slow, no impact and little dynamic on the timing.~
I loved this video! The episode was okay, could have done without the Blitz whinging over Stolas, but overall it was fine. Although, I do like your other videos as well. To be honest, I would like it if they completely stopped with the Stolas x Blitz relationship, that to me, is the most boring aspect of this show. I just don't care for it.
i hate that i’m hyper fixated on this show cause so many of the writing issues bothers me to no end and it hurts me so bad! like.. i know Stolitz is going to become canon, but i’m very much not looking forward to that as i believe there is no saving it. it’s too far in the deep end of abusive + built off this horrible foundation of coercion. i cannot believe they’re trying to push the narrative that blitz is ‘in love’ with stolas and he’s all depressed cause he lost him when they showed us very clearly in season 1 that he HATED his comments, his touch, even his mere presence made him uncomfortable! he never showed any romantic interest in him and no i’m not going to believe it’s him ‘pushing others away/not believing anyone could love him’ cause that’s bs. if the writers WANTED us to believe blitz started falling in love with him, they should of showed it to us! even then, stolitz being built from this transactional deal that stolas had all the power over feels very icky... and i will firmly believe blitz is trauma bonded to stolas rather than feeling anything actually romantic for him cause huh? he dislikes everything about him, and they have nothing in common anyway, (i hate the argument that they’re both messed up people cause no that doesn’t count) i just wish it was written differently or that they would’ve shipped blitz and fizz cause they have so much potential that’s already lay out for them! but of course, we’re going to get this horrible excuse of a ‘slow burn’ relationship. there’s only one ship i like and that’s moxxie and millie, i don’t even like fizz/ozz for different reasons that i won’t get into since my comment is long enough, but i just think at the end of the day the writers should’ve just stuck to comedy + the original plot / emotional moments rather then relationships and this stolitz drama. i guess since the writing is so bad, stolitz is probably one of the only things keeping this show afloat though so gotta keep it going :/
While it is good that we got a flashback of how Millie joined IMP, I felt like this could have been her focus episode, not another Blitzo crying about his past episode.
>proceeds to not explain how either she does it or how this affects the video Oh yeah i just watched defending stolas, and since you clearly are one of those im not responding any s you say.
@@ArteiceTB I made walltexts with a considerable size which goes around Stolitz just yet because this story is big, but from what I gathered it's enough to see where my point is going for
See, this is what I meant when i said Blitz was changing! He literally had some kinda lobotomy in Apology Tour because theres no way he suddenly has feelings for Stolas out of nowhere and is sulking. Like man! And Stolas ignoring him is a real dick move, idgaf if Verosika says "give him space-" like bitch! Stolas NEVER gave Blitz space! He could be busy during his job (Murder Family) doing his own thing (Loo Loo Land with the little finger puppets which is still fucked imo), and Stolas would still hit him up and act dirty and flirty. But now Blitz can't do that back because why? Its so one sided its actually insane. And Stolas literally (technically) almost causes IMP to go bankrupt, so now if he does join IMP, it aint even wholesome. Hes just fixing HIS fuckup. God.....this show man. I love it to bits, but the way its driving its plot and characters into the ground is making me Exorcist. I'll admit, Ghostfuckers had its merits. It focused solely on a good A-Plot, some good character development with Blitz and Millie (which I will say the best friend thing did feel forced but I think Brandon just did the best he could with the shit situation at hand), an AMAZING villian (the first we've had literally all fucking season, which is sad seeing we got practically got 2 extras on top of the already huge list of Villians (Mammon and Crimson), legitimately good voice acting and visuals, and excellently choreographed fight scenes. Millie fighting hard and rough with little care for little damage compared to Blitz's graceful agility due to his circus background and ability to hit hard at the same time was an amazing thing to watch. Overall, this comes 2nd in my opinion to Oops. As for the shorts, I really liked them. Seeing Millie and Sallie bond was cute and much needed Millie development, the back to back Mission shorts are also sweet and a nice callback to the original premise. The only complaint i have is we need some genuine character shorts as well. Like give us an Octavia shenenigans short, or a Loona short, or maybe even a Stella short. Or STRIKER- just someone else to give us some more depth! As of now, in order, ones got barely any character, ones still an angry abusive bitch for no reason, one's got nothing outside of being a bitch, and ones got literally only insanity for them. At this point in time, Blitz and Stolas AREN'T going to be a healthily developer, natural ship. Its just Stockholms Syndrome with forced guilt tripping.
I actually would like to see in an episode if Stolas was paying attention that Blitz has a daughter and a life outside of him. Because it seems that he can't fathom Blitz not just being there for his convenience. In fact I wouldn't mind seeing an episode of Loona and Stolas being in the same room talking because it would be an eye-opener for Stolas. Because even she knows her father was sleeping with him for that magic book and having her go off on him would be refreshing
@@seeleunit2000 Exactly! Actually, I'd like to have both Stolas and Loona have some kind of relationship established and Blitzø and Octavia have some kind of relationship established too. You'd think that if the writers want to make Stolitz canon, they would build some kind of bonds with each other's daughters or at least acknowledge their existence. But Stolas never seem to acknowledge Loona and Blitzø only has few interactions with Octavia in "Loo Loo Land". Not to mention having any actual relationship. You could say that Octavia doesn't like Blitzø because he views him as home-wrecker. But if she does, then it means they should have some negative interactions. But we've never even got something simple as that! It's just such wasted potential! Do you imagine how interesting would it be to have Stolas interact with Loona and start to understand lower classes' persepctive better and potentially find out how little he actually knows about Blitzø? Or have Octavia blame Blitzø for her home situation and clearly voice it? And I also think that it would be cool if Octavia and Blitzø were in a situation that would make Via somehow understand our protagonist's perspective and somehow warm up to him? I think when you write romance between people who has already had their own children they should have some kind of relationship with each other's children. Not only this can create interesting dynamics but it's also good for the story... But of course it's "Helluva Boss" so we can't have noce things.
It would be better if Loona told him about her vet visit, this would make Stolas realize how much of an asshole he was for chewing Blitzø out for not coming to get him.
Honestly, I am just grateful that Brandon treated Millie like a character and tried developing her character.
I just wish Millie wasn't used in the service of developing Blitzo, because he developed more than Millie did. Millie doesn't really get an arc, she's just given focus to make it seem like she does.
Yet ANOTHER “Millie” episode that’s focused on her supporting and being a shoulder to cry-on for the male cast members! Yay?😊
THIS. The amount of emotional labor she does for men is insane.
@@zorgnax no shit she wants to help her friend in distress.
People seek misogyny everywhere. Millie is supportive and wants to comfort her friend??? That's normal???
Viv seems to think that's the primary use for female characters in Helluva Boss.
Propping up her male characters.
Loona props up Blitzo.
Octavia props up Stolas.
Millie pops up all of IMP.
The other female characters are either a) one-off Clients, or b) anagonists, or c) dead moms.
@@sandwraith448 it is but it’s nothing new for Millie
Okay, Im gonna say something that's just factual at this point:
Stolas has successfully manipulated blitz to feel guilty. Weve seen throughout the show that stolas does not give 2 shits about him, and even when he did, it was a manipulative move called "Testing" in the full moon. In the most recent episode, we see blitz feel terrible about it, although he had every right to be angry. How do I know this? Because I've experienced this first hand.
Dang, feel bad for you.
@nickbanks7954 Life goes on lol, :3
@@staticmations4764 amen to that.
First, my condolences. And secondly you're right. At least in the next episode of Stolas is getting run through the coals
@@seeleunit2000yes but I’m sure it’ll only be done to make him look more sympathetic
Blitzo feels out of character in this episode when he forces Loona to stay overnight to burn a bunch of taxidermy like I get maybe him giving Moxxie that task but Loona. What does his relationship with Stolas make him overlook how his daughter feels about it
So I'm not alone with that feeling, i see. It was very strange to see him treat Loona like that. But I'd also say that everyone felt a little out of character in this episode.
@@Squiggles. True, almost felt like the plot was forced into making it around Millie and Blitzo especially from how Loona and Moxxie were acting.
@@tokunerdmore3028can't help but feel like A Night With Loona might be happening
That's the fucking point: he's sulking and coping and being a bigger asshole in the process. He's not acting like himself, that is OBVIOUS
THIS!! when my siblings and I watched this episode i was so taken aback by how out of character blitz was?? i get hes impulsive and ‘depressed’ over what happened with stolas but the blitz we know wouldn’t go out of his way to cause his employees any distress and suffering? loona looked absolutely exhausted (the daughter he was SO worried about that he made sure to put her first in nearly every episode from season 1) and moxxie who we’ve seen he cares deeply about too, it just doesn’t feel right.. i’m not saying blitz did it on purpose completely but he literally spent his and all his employees earnings on useless things! i thought it’d take the direction that blitz would suffer in silence and pretend everything is fine but nope, that wasn’t the case.
As a big fan of Millie, I'm glad we finally got her backstory on joining I.M.P. What I'm not a fan of is when we got it: The 3rd to last episode of season 2. What the fuck, Vivzie. She's literally one of the main characters in the show. You wanna be too busy developing that Owl Twig instead of using that development on the other characters. "The show isn't over yet. Be patient." We're not supposed to be waiting on a MAIN character to finally get development in the 2nd season. Now the supporting character, sure, but the main?? Hell no. Fans wanna cry out, "The show isn't about the company. It's about Blitz and his relationships." OK. How about we explore his relationship with Millie more often then?? Their friendship is important too. Ghostf**kers was OK but a little disappointing because her and Blitz bonding could've been happening way more before this episode. I liked the client too (I think they said her name was Rita) so I agree with you on that. Bethany was cute also but I feel like people only love her because Erika Henningsen, Charlie's VA voiced her. Missed opportunity to have Rolando possess Millie because why do we have to see traumatized Blitz again?? Yes, we know it's Halloween and that he's the main character, but come on. We already know what happened in his past numerous times. It would've been really cool to see Millie struggling to keep up with her siblings as a child as we see that her childhood wasn't all dandy. I'm predicting Mastermind to be nothing but more ammo for Stolitz fans to use against the people who hate the ship. I hope Vassago is good but knowing Vivzie, she's gonna screw him up too. Now I am guilty of buying a lot of merch but most of it was when it was actually worth the price. This current lineup however is not. I had to snag that shirt with Sallie May and Millie on it because why not, but half of it is not that good especially since they're only around for a limited time. I could customize a shirt online and just put the word "staff" on it. What a bland shirt. The pin with Blitz's mom on fire continues to be more Blitz torture. I don't care how much the fandom hates them. Give us more merch for the agents and cherubs. Having the cherub trio as plushies would be so adorable and the agents could fit very well on shirts, hats, mugs etc with hilarious quotes. Now I definitely agree that having merch for each episode and short is a bit much. Yes it helps the show but do we need merch for every single episode and short?? There's no point in doing that since they're not even gonna be around for too long. Overall, I loved this discussion video. These over 60 minute long vids are just as good as your other ones so I can't wait to see what you and your friends discuss next.
Facts- the merch can be so lazy at times. Like why was Blitzo's blood splattered blanket a thing? You could easily make that yourself 😭
@T_E_G Ikr. Lmao
The show is like 99% merch, 1% character growth, 78% character bloat.
The saddest thing is that Blitz is getting guilt tripped by many people around him when most of the issues weren't his fault to begin with. Heck, he didn't do it intentionally except the part where he robbed verosika's car and money for horse riding lessons which that's on him and the part where he filming his staff personal life without any boundaries.
The outrageous part is when Stolas is treated as the victim only when he is a terrible partner who treats him as a pet with these nicknames he been calling him and a shitty father who he ignored his own daughter as he broked a promise while blitz treats Loona as a actual daughter more than a servant/pet despite being two different species.😒
Speaking of Loona, I hope we get to see her of her being grateful towards blitz because so far, we haven't see it yet as her abusive behaviour is labelled as jokes which confuses the tone of the show.
They're not gonna stick it, sorry.
@@nickbanks7954Unfortunately you're right. The writing of the show is getting more worst as they are ignoring the things at the first season and when did addressed them, they put in the laziest way because the plot of the story is a mess.
Loona is similar to Blitz, except she apparently spent most of her life in the equivalent of hellhound prison.
She'll eventually get enough episodes to work out her issues. Loona is grateful but she has a lot of baggage
@seeleunit2000 Yeah, that's true. What really bothers me is her abusive behaviour is nothing but comedy yet Stella's behaviour is rhe same yet serious which confuses the use of tone for the story. Another example is when Angel dust is getting sa'ed by valentino, it is very disturbing but when pentious suffered by that same type of abuse, they put it as joke because he is a unserious character.
Imagine if Blitz was a female imp and Stolitz had the same transactional deal with Blitz. I highly doubt the fandom would see Stolitz as the uwu soft owl boy who's been painted as the victim.
Research that scene in Full Moon and just imagine if Blitz was a woman. Blitz isn't perfect and has his own issues to work through, but man he deserves better not Stolitz.
You know it’s honestly sad that blitz keeps getting gaslit into feeling guilty he had every right to say that he wasn’t in a relationship with that fucking bird
This situation is worse than the Ike/Tina Turner situation. I'm surprised Stolas didn't beat Blitz like Ike beat Tina.
He feels bad because he DOES love Stolas, that's an well established fact.
But he fell in love with the projection he had of Stolas he created on his mind as shown in Truth Seekers. And convinced himself that Stolas DON'T love him, period. Stolas ended up unconsciously validating this assumption back at Ozzie's, when he hides his face ashamed, which he was of himself, but Blitz translated of Stolas being ashamed of >HIM
Agree to disagree
@@Andya-ks4bz Agree to disagree what? It's just the way the story it's built on.
You all fail to get BOTH Stolas and Bitz's characterization.
Well, one throughout the series Stolas has shown no sign of loving blitz more like talking down to him
It does piss me off quite a bit how Blitzo is connected to absolutely EVERYONE. This damn world feels so SMALL now. Not to mention that this show tries to paint him as some misunderstood softie when he DID threaten to r*pe Moxxie and Millie in the first episode. The only time when he can be in the wrong is with Stolas who I think will be main focus on S3 (God help us all).
I personally do not care about this story anymore. I haven't even watched latest episode and skipped through previous one. There is nothing for me left in this story. It is basically my Becker (Bojack reference). I still make my own fic and my own AU of this and that is enough for me, but as it is. Show proper just feels so stupid to me.
Like a Gta game from the 3D era, you got more missions before crossing the other land to meet new people. 😂
Blitz isn't a softie. He is definitely multilayered but not really a softy.
Saying he was going to grape M&M from that one joke that he did in ep 1 feels like a huge strech, I usually don’t like the "it’s a joke" excuse but like it was? Blitzø had a thing for both of them, so that was the joke
Like Blitzø would never got that far, or atleast I hope the writers didn’t imply anything.
@@montserratmarroquin400 yeah I kinda agree. I've seen worse rape jokes from viv. Hazbin hotel literally had a joke of thr snake guy being raped.
@@ratsandmice1612 Yeah, it’s worse since Angel is a victim but no still gotta joke about it.
To be honest i feel that 90% of blitz problems are not actually his fault but the people around him jumping into conclusions instead of raionalizing it like normal people, wich is actually fittiing considering that they are demons and are supposed to be jerks....if it wasnt for the show making them uwu victims who do nothing wrong and making blitz look like the devil
Thank you for saying this! Half the people he hurt isn’t his fault, blame the guy who thought it was a smart idea to bring a cake to an extremely flammable circus.
And wtf did he do to Loona exactly?? Love her? Baby her too much? The audacity!
@@Birdyboys like I commented before, he existed, lol.
@Birdyboys blitz wasn't responsable for what happened to fizz or how he decided to distance him from blitz instead of confronting him and solve their problems like normal adults
Blitz wasn't responsable for barbie pushing him away when he clearly shows that he cares about her and wants to fix their relationship
Blitz wasn't responsable for verosika narcisistic spite against him for breaking up with her
Blitz wasn't responsable for loona begin an abusive daughter
Blitz wasn't responsable for stolas petty narcisism and is incapability of admiting is mistakes
The only things that you could blame on blitz is his treatment of moxxie, but this show didnt even included him in apology tour, so by the show logic, blitz has to apologize to people that caused their misery on themself instead of the one person that he actually hurted
@@Birdyboys he's just acting like a good dad, Loona should've been GRATEFUL
@@TwilightVoid-h4s imagine getting adopted after 17 years without fathers and havign a dad that truly loves you, and how you repay him? Abusing him, damn you loona
If nothing else, the infestor demon stole the show for me. He's actually taken seriously, isn't a joke villain for once, and I especially like how he's able to possess others. It's really lame that Viv's shows are all about demons and yet demonic possession is rarely ever used or even mentioned. Demons in general in this universe are so weak and limited, and that makes me sad.
IMP actually doing a job outside of the shorts is also nice. Stolas being put on the back-burner is VERY nice. I really wish they'd drop the Stolitz nonsense altogether and focus on Blitzo past. It's SO much more interesting than his drama with Stolas. If they insist on making the show a soap opera now, and least focus on the drama that's actually interesting.
I would have added necromancers, spirit callers, ghouls, zombies, skeletons warriors, banshees, spirits, fallen angels, nephilim, and many more in the show.
@@nickbanks7954 But if you did that, when would we EVER have time for the garbage Stolitz ship that nobody, except people who crave mindless drama, actually likes? 😱
@@crazycookie4645I guess I'm too big brained for these ideas. I didn't know I was applying to be a Special Ed teacher. Then, again, the students would get it more than the writers at Spindle Horse.
@@nickbanks7954 I'll give Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss this: they make great springboards for fan content. Too bad the actual writers don't utilize their own ideas well.
@@crazycookie4645They're sitting on gold and don't even realize it. They are lucky I ain't in there, because I would seize the opportunity like an Invader (pardon the pun).
I am glad that we got to see millie's backstory on how she joined i.m.p
That was nice
@@ArteiceTBreal, even if the “development” was just a slip bit of Millie’s backstory, it feels nice
@@ArteiceTB Stolas is going to have his assets liquidated by Andrealphus and Stella and Octavia is gonna get ice powers and she's gonna leave Stolas. Yada yada yada.
This show still hasn't passed the Bechdel test since Millie and Loona only had a conversation about how Millie was going to help a man and Loona said she would look out for Moxxie. Crazy how they haven't passed it yet. (Except for in the shorts with Millie and her sister I guess but not in the actual show.)
@avivastudios2311 The only time I know that they've passed it was in the hound party episode where the poodle was trash-talking Loona for a few seconds.
I wouldn't say the moment between millie and loona passed it since they were on a mission to save men, which was the entire reason they were working together, but maybe since Loona was at the party because of a guy then it may not pass it either (If we're going that far with it.)
I’ll be honest, as harshly critical as I am about Stolitz, I really did not expect the show to go as far as basically abuse and degrade Blitzo’s character so much that he feels like he has to fall in love with his coercive rapist.
He finally called out Stolas’s behavior and the show spent several episodes punishing him for him through re-traumatizing him and bullying him. That is… astoundingly bad.
I also cannot believe people think ghostfuckers is a Millie episode. It’s not. In fact not a single female character really gets to have an episode where they get to shine. Every Single Episode where they’re mostly in the lead revolves around a man. In Millie’s case, her “episodes” are just her uplifting grown men who act like children. The female representation in this show is genuinely offensive.
And you can tell people are getting tired of this show. It’s been a full week and this show hasn’t even hit 10 million views. Remember when it could hit that in a single DAY?
And you know why? Because this show betrayed is premise and changed it for one that is horrible bad, changing a dark comedy for a dark romantic history was already a terrible idea, but they somehow found a way to make that dark romance just "dark" people want to see a funny show about a demon an is bussines, not a history of gaslight and manipulation full of victim blame towards a person that was already full of trauma.
@@Birdyboys I remember. I said that, and someone argued that no, it didn't. Do you also remember some of the episodes reaching between 20-40 million view marks before the year ended or the past full year? I remembered that specifically in season 1.
@@risforrandomandrandomisme762
I totally agree. I actually think it could have been possible to change the premise and still keep it enjoyable (MLP:FIM changed its premise every season) but going from a dark comedy to a serious drama doesn’t work when all of a sudden all those dark jokes about sexual abuse and stalking are meant to be taken seriously… but only if it’s said/done by Blitzo. And Vivziepop clearly does not want people to call out the fact that Stolas is far worse and more cruel than Blitzo. Like poor you, Blitzo didn’t visit you in the hospital and yelled at you. Remember when you put him in a sexually coercive relationship and fucked him up mentally.
Blitzo isn’t even fun anymore. It’s like watching an abuse victim get yelled at for being abused and nobody really gives him a proper support system. Look how UNHAPPY he is when he admits he loves Stolas! And I’m supposed to root for this relationship?
@@nickbanks7954 some episodes even had more views than the pilot wich is something that is very rare for an indie show to happen (see murder drones or digital circus for example)
@risforrandomandrandomisme762 let's be real. We all wanted a successor to The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. It's funny dark and hits right at home. Or something like The Sopranos if you wanted comedy and drama all in one.
To be honest my friends and I don’t seem to enjoy the show as we used to anymore I kind of wish they could go back to the original premise what made the show Helluva boss :/
If ya boi had political/ultimate power, I would have brought the original premise right back and dropped the ship completely.
I would have also made it comedic and darker with a lot of Biblical allegories and references to real-life events in the Holy Bible. They would be different demons, spirits, and other wicked beings with different weapons, veichles, outfits, and abilities.
They would also be different gangs in the Hellaverse and different realms rather than being Hell, Earth, and Heaven. It was almost like it was a video game or something. And if we had Ted Turner money, I would have dropped the musicals (only in Helluva Boss) and replaced it with copyright music for the background scenes. Ex have music from The Cranberries, Bone Thugs N Harmony, etc.
Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot. I would also extend the time for each episode between 45 minutes and an hour. Or past an hour on a good day. I would feed the audience like they were starving African Children and I am Mother Teresa.
That’s fair, a lot of people are feeling the same way
@@ArteiceTB a lot of people are leaving. This is a bad sign, especially with leaks being out. There needs to be some order and control over in these companies.
They have lost their sauce definitely.
WHY CAN'T THIS SHOW BE GOOD 😭
honestly, adding onto this particular section 16:49 you can still have Millie being the groups rock but show how being the rock effects HER, how she feels she needs to be strong for everyone and can't tell them about her issues because she's the rock, she's the one everyone relies on. Or maybe her not even thinking what happened to her is that bad, that her issues aren't as bad as the others therefore they're not important. theres so much you can do but they don't do it!!
Oh boy, you're gonna have a blast with your next video about season 2 episode 11
More things to address is the ghost part. The characters saying that ghosts do not exist when literally demons and angels are real but not ghosts which doesn't make any sense like we have cults in the world. The second is verosika's studios is near I.M P headquarters which is bizarre considering Blitz robbed Verosika so why are they at same building?
Because......... reasons.
yes...... just because a kind of mythical creature exists in a world, doesn't mean ALL other creatures do.
Also, yes, I don't get how Verosika's studios being near IMP is a problem? The whole situation at Spring Broken was for a parking slot.
@@storm7428 I thought Verosika's studios was located in a different building. It just that their relationship ended up so badly.
I thought ghosts would exists because of rituals.
@storm7428 both angels and demons are spirits, ghost are spirits too, is simple creature logic.
@@risforrandomandrandomisme762 Thank you.
Looking ahead, if the Octavia-Stolas falling out episode is the one coming out this month, I just know it's going to make me so violently ANGRY that I can't even feel catharsis for Octavia turning on her dad and leaving him. The episode is going to make all the excuses in the world to coddle and baby this twig bird and demonize (pun somewhat intended) the CHILD who needed her parents and reassurance and got blown off by one twice already because he's too obsessed with his booty call and might be being manipulated by the other. I grew up in primary custody of a mother with BOTH Stella and Stolas' toxic traits, there's no way this month's episode is winning me over.
I commented that I bet every dollar I got that Andrealphus is gonna get killed off, and they are going to turn Octavia into a Villian. If it comes true, I'll be as rich as a Rothschild member, and I'll buy the rights off of Viv and do this show justice. AKA, shake things up (a new era with a change). 😂
@nickbanks7954 Pretty bold statement, mate
@@MagmaPaint but am I wrong, though? Let's just see when the time comes. Like I said, controversy equals cash.
It’s likely next month but this month’s episode doesn’t seem very promising either
I feel that this is one of the better episodes in season 2. The negative side of the episode is that they keep trying to spin this narrative as Blitz is the worst person in Hell and that everything is his fault. Not only that, but they keep torturing him with his mother and tragic events in his life. As a result, the show looks like a cruel version of Dan Vs.
Another thing is that they keep trying to bully him into submission to get with Stolas and to cushion the blow for Stolas and not call him out on his flaws. It makes Stolas' character more disliked than Valentino because at least we know Val isn't a good person, and he doesn't put on a facade like Stolas does. There, I said it fanbase, I hate Stolas more than Valentino. Trial me, send me to court. I don't care.
And for the final 2 episodes on season 2, I bet every dollar I got that Andrealphus is gonna get offed off, and they gonna spin this to make Octavia look like the villian.
I heard that the end game for this is Stolitz, and that Stolas is gonna end up working for Blitz, meaning that we are going to end up seeing him all the time. Oh God, no! 😂
This situation is just like how Danny Phantom ended with "Phantom Planet" and how everybody hated it or just thought it was meh. Called it the Steve Urkel effect with Stolas. That's what he is, a side character that got popular for no apparent reason, and it's destroying the show. The only difference is that Steve brought in ratings and money for Family Matters, Stolas doesn't do it for Helluva Boss and the views show it because this episode looks like it's going to surpass both Full Moon and Apology Tour in a couple of weeks.
I would have gotten rid of him completely and threw a twist with the whole Goetia family not being big as everyone thought they were. In other words, they were serfs to the big players, just like how they were to the Imps and Hellhounds.
Overall, this episode was just a calm before the storm scenario before that F5 Tornado (Stolas) comes back. Even then, he was still in the episode (due to the flashbacks). Also, no Chaz cameo for yours truly (Love Art23). Mission Failed! We'll get em next time. 😂
I agree with all of this except I actually don’t think this episode is going to surpass the previous two. It’s doing pretty badly actually
@Birdyboys I say wait a little bit. If not, I guess I'm wrong about that point.
it's called self loathing. And once again ppl getting Blitz in the absolute wrong way
@@storm7428 it's still not hitting the targets as it should.
The writers destroying the main character *just* to make a bad ship canon has to be the funniest way for this show to go out. I'm not very interested in keeping up with HB anymore because of it (actually watching the episodes), but I still like seeking out analysis for the writing and talking about its flaws. It's still a creative enough story even if done poorly. So I agree with your comment, and it really just highlights how this show's gonna end- it is such poor quality there's officially nothing else to look forward to, especially knowing that Stolitz endgame bit. The writing has just become a weird lil fanfic, and it gets wackier like every episode Lol
Verosika and Emberlynn deserves to Blitzø's love interests more than stolas
I ain't gonna spoil any of my Ideas, I would have made an episode of Verosika and how she is like the way she is, and how she became famous. A flashback episode involving her life.
Emberlynn behaves like Stolas and she needs to be restrained. Veronica does not want anything to do with Blitz. She's done with him permanently
Verosika’s a rapist
Thank you! I hard-core ship Verosika and Blitz and hope they get back together as I love second chances. Plus they have MORE CHEMISTRY than the entirety of Stoliz.
@ you’d rather ship blitz with a rapist than ship him with a hypocrite?
I wish the show just gave Blitz a moment to genuinely TALK with people, no elaborate hallucinations or anything, while those are good in animation they try to exaggerate the torture he is going through to the point where he gives up on his "flaws" and this whole thing about "SA'ing Moxxie" is simply bad writing from Brandon and co. The Clockwork Orange scene felt overbloated with random stuff instead of specific moments that are able to get Blitz emotionally ;-; and it's exaggerated.
I actually made the episode longer (5 chapter arc with 2,000-4,000 word in each chapter), darker, and gave Rolando one job from a certain owl "to break Blitz beyond imagining for rejecting me" but honestly, the villain seemed like an interesting person so I bring him back as an ally, (after the certain owl was basically angry that the envian didn't "break Blitz enough") which should've happened with people like Striker :(
I also made sure that half was the Millie and Blitz segment then I.M.P all coming together to save Blitz, it's kinda better if the episode served as a big climax/the start of Blitz finally done with his trauma and healing...
I bet it was really good. Yeah, it something that the fans can create a better story verse than the actual creators. They should pay you.
@@nickbanks7954 aww thanks :)
@@TwilightVoid-h4s you're welcome.
Would love to read/see your version!!
nice fanfic ^^
This season should be subtitled "Helluva Boss Season 2: Blitzø Needs Therapy"
Hoping to see your guys thoughts on mastermind and sinsmas cause from what I’ve seen from the community on twitter and UA-cam it really made or broke the series for people. Especially content creators like sarcastic chorus
I’ll miss Sarcastic Chorus he was very insightful and fair critic of the show, but honestly good for him if he doesn’t find the content enjoyable.
That man said screw this and dipped. And what's funny is that he was the main Stolitz shipper, and it made him quit. That's a sign right there for the show.
Now, the fandom done turn on him, either saying that he was the worst HB reviewer or don't even know him. It's funny because they probably were watching him because he was one the first to start reviewing the show. No wonder he left the fandom because they never respected him.They call him the worst, where Ayy Lmao and Tsuki Hound still exist in the fandom. 😂
Good for him because the show is going down anyway.
@@nickbanks7954 I am a fan of Helluva Boss and I am so thankful that I don’t have a Twitter. Same thing with Star Wars I am so thankful I can avoid twitter drama.
@@nickbanks7954 I am so happy as a Helluva Boss fan I do not have a Twitter, so so happy.
I honestly found this season MID there were some good episodes, some bad, most were underwhelming and mediocre. I completely understand his point about just being frustrated not knowing what to make of episodes for being bland or boring to him.
I hope Sarcastic chorus has a good life and can drown out all the people that turned on him. I just wish this fandom wasn’t so vicious.
I'll say this before, and I'll say it again. Blitzø deserves only friendships. Everytime he wants family or romance, it just crashes and burns! I could imagine him having a drink with Husk, Loona, Millie and Crymini. It's freaking adorable and idc what insane shippers say!
I was so excited to see IMP actually doing IMP things, I love the premise of the show’s pilot and wish we spent more time on wacky human hunting hijinks. The whole blitz and stolas melodrama stuff…. I could do without so much of it.
I refuse to believe Millie and Blitzo meeting is canon. It looks like force fan service. 28:35
Emberlynn's short was my favorite by far!! I LOVE HER!! I think cringe is hilarious so i was laughing the entire way through lol
Ghostf@$%ers is by far the better episode of Season 2, but I fear that the episode would be the breather episode before we get to the last two episodes, which would return to the Stolas story and that's not a good thing.
Ever since I started watching the show out of curiosity, I thought the premise sounded like a lot of fun, imps from hell starting their own hitman business sounds like a blast. The first episode was great, but once Stolas' story gets introduced in Loo Loo Land, at first the plot didn’t make sense at all, like why hire IMP to be your bodyguards when you have powers, then Stolas appears in more episodes, and everything about him doesn't make any sense.
Season 2 feels like the show tried to rewrite Season 1 just for the sake of working in the whole Stolitz relationship and the more I watch it, the more I realize that it's becoming worse as it goes on. It's like the show is written by fangirls rather than actual writers and in the worst way possible. If you intend on creating something, the first thing that you should do, is have a f@$%ing plan and stick with it completely! Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel may have plans from the beginning, but they completely abandoned them in favor of being another thing which completely contradicts everything that was introduced before.
I am genuinely surprised how these two shows got so popular in the first place. The premise for both shows sound very creative and promising, but they quickly become abandoned in favor of another which ends up taking over everything and not in a good way. I feel bad for them because under another creative direction, they could've been great adult animated cult classics.
I think one thing funny about the agonizing stolitz conflict throughout the fandom, is that any argument you can come up with to defend Stolas or this writing can be countered by some random statement in LuLu land
Loo Loo Land: the episode where Stolas was on his absolute worst behaviour in the entire first season, the issues involving her daughter were addressed and resolved in the same episode (no, Seeing Stars is not a similar situation)
Seriously, the show either wants to make us hate Blitz or feel so bad for him, and this inconsistency is just so… confusing! He’s supposed to be a in the wrong and needs to learn how to become a better person in the last episode, but now in this one he needs to know that there are always people there for him that he’s helped, so he already was a good person (at least Hell standards) ! It’s so convoluted and confusing, I CAN’T TAKE IT, MAN!
How it's confusing. He does bad things but not out of malice.
It's not rocket science
@ Yeah, but the show makes us feel guilty for him in this episode, saying that his actions have helped people he knows. but in the last one we were supposed to be mad at him for “hurting” so many people he doesn’t even know.
Helluva Boss is trying to be Bojack Horseman but fails to understand the point of that show.
Bojack Horseman wants you to feel bad for the MC, (Bojack) but still acknowledge that he's a piece of shit who is the cause of most of his problems.
Helluva Boss wants to have its cake and eat it too. Show Blitzo being a shitty person...But still act his pain matters more than those he's hurt.
@@PlanetZoidstar it also doesn’t help that the show harps on the wrong things. Why is Blitzo being blamed for being a victim in an abusive relationship and for pushing someone who was stupid enough to bring a flammable cake to a circus. Who cares if if he ghosted Verosika? She SA’d Moxxie .
The major flaw with helluva boss is that it wants to tell us it has complicated characters but doesn’t want to write it and expects the fandom to do it for them.
@@Birdyboys Exactly, for some reason only Blitzo's misdeeds are taken seriously.
Except when he threatens to rape Moxxie & Millie. Then it's a joke.
In fact any time he fucks with Moxxie it's a joke because he's the writer's punching bag and Millie just lets it happen.
But when it's someone other than Moxxie there's going to be hell to pay.
Personally if I was writing it. That Stolas learn wasn’t in love with Blizo but, in love with idea of Blizo. Don’t end up with Blizo.
At this moment this show is pretty much trying to be “diet Bojack Horseman” except without the stuff that made Bojack Horseman great.
The problem is that Bojack horseman wasn’t trying to be an offensive comedy and a heartfelt story. She should have honestly looked at venture bros for reference on how to do that kind of thing correctly.
On the first glance, yaaay we finally have a good Millie episode. But once you actually start to think about it.... Ehhh. Millie is suddenly all right with being away from her husband, which wouldn't be weird if in the previous episodes she wouldn't cry and freak out every time Moxxie gone for 5 minutes. Her relationship with Btitz just popped out of nowhere, since when they're best friends??? Blitz also says something about not wanting to f**k her, but I believe in the second episode he was talking about having a three way with her and Moxxie. She also alright with Loona, which is not that weird, we already saw them work together, but she always called her Hellhound, which would be interesting topic imo. I mean hellhounds are the lowest class after all, it would be interesting to see, that Millie thinks of Loona as a low class dog, and in some episode, Loona proves with her actions that she is more than just a hellhound, and after that Millie apologize and now treat her like a person and respects her.
And the backstory sucks. She just sits there in the bar, while in Moxxie's backstory we saw his family business, how he met Chaz, how he get to jail where he met Blitz. And Millie is just there. Did she already left the farm? Did she met Chaz? Why is she such a fearsome toughest imp?
Rolando saved the episode 🐟
This show hates blitz and gives him more trauma and hate giveing women more then one character trait the fact it took a full 2 season to get her backstory is something and loona finally talked again and this show Repeats Episodes a lot
How the fuck someone watches this episodes and comes to this conclusion, no one in the entire show hates Blitz more than himself, he has a gigantic massive self hatred that is actually HELPED in this episode by Millie.
Sometimes people say "you can tell who's the author's favorite by how much trauma and/or attention they get" ^^; it's not always received well as good writing tho..
Blitzo did make that commercial about their business and in it, he uses the book. Anyone could easily know from there the grimria was being used by an imp and the book, belongs to Stolas.
If the courtroom is about that anyways
@Dragon-w7k9g True. But they do still reference a lot from the pilot.
I actually would like to see in an episode if Stolas was paying attention that Blitz has a daughter and a life outside of him. Because it seems that he can't fathom Blitz not just being there for his convenience.
In fact I wouldn't mind seeing an episode of Loona and Stolas being in the same room talking because it would be an eye-opener for Stolas.
Because even she knows her father was sleeping with him for that magic book and having her go off on him would be refreshing
Blitzo deserves a better daughter. Way better than that stupid dog.
With Blitz' psychology about pushing others away and seemingly self sabotaging- I wish the show would take it seriously, maybe actively show it happening or have it cause setbacks, like on IMP missions or when it comes to bonding with the rest of the cast. But even if it was utilitized in that way, there still isn't much of a theme to connect Blitz' issues to. If HB was about found family and growth, a theme about self worth possibly, then it would work perfectly. Blitz just has so much thematic potential, and so much character psychology work put into him and the show can't help but make it fall flat on its face.
'I hate to see that the numbers are gonna go down significantly'
mind you, the biggest week debut for a Helluva Boss episode was The Circus with 12M views.
Speaking of rolando dieing. If i had to guess that vacuum came from hell so that's why the electricity killed him.
I kinda hope they bring up the girl who had a kink for monsters that Blitzo solo killed. That she snaps from joy being around so many people that looks like monsters and demons, or that she just tries to get Blitzo's attention any way she can. Even if she gets her own panic button under his desk like we saw early on.
Really can't wait for the newest episode for you to tear into...
The continuity shit and logic diarrhea.. especially with Stolas and Octavia...
More so the absolute obvious BS you were smelling 500 miles against the wind with Stella that was coming..
@@Derethevil Octavia logic: “My dad has been gone for a month despite trying to call me and my obviously and loudly evil mother and freaky ass (69 god) Uncle are yelling that they’re keeping him away from me. Now Stolas is risking his and his boyfriend’s life to save me from my evil relatives this must mean that…….HE OBVIOUSLY DOESN’T CARE ABOUT ME AND IS TRYING TO ABANDON ME!”
Stolas has been a neglectful father and even in an abusive relationship infidelity can fuck up a child especially if you’re going to flaunt that affair in your child’s face in a moment that was supposed be nostalgia and personal to them, but why did they create a scenario where Octavia is completely unjustified to bring this up?
@@lorddevilfish5868 Stola's Fanboy Logic: "He hoots so adorably, all his mistakes are forgiven and he is flawless as a character."
No seriously. Octavia asked at the first episode with her, if Stolas is going to leave her for Blitzo. He promised she would always be first.
What did Stolas do? Break his promise.
But sure. Let's focus on that one tiny oversight from Vivzie. Not like she made millions of other mistakes before that.
As long as it fits your narrative that Stolas isn't at fault here, right?
Hilarious to me. When others point out Vivzies mistakes with the narrative, you screech like madman at people, for how DARE they criticize Vivzie for it?
But if it helps your argument? Then it's alright to suddenly point out these flaws.
@@Derethevil I’m not a Stolas fanboy, I think that the show really messed up with whitewashing Stolas’ treatment of Blitz, and I like Octavia and think that an arc of her disliking him for the affair needed to happen but the tissue getting us there was flawed.
My problem is that they’ve written themselves into a corner with this scenario. I don’t think that Stolas should be with Blitzø unless we get an arc of him seriously reflecting on his racism and corrosion.
I agree that he should be held accountable for neglecting Octavia, but I don’t understand why Octavia would at this point of story abandon Stolas, seeing how she had an episode with Loona to be more patient with her father and that she never suspects that her mother and Andre didn’t manipulate the situation?
This is more a criticism of execution than concept, fyi.
@@lorddevilfish5868 No i do get that. But the problem is Stolas piling on and doin the same mistake over and over again after Octavia already did give him another chance. And you only give someone so many chances. Stolas had a small arc of redemption handed to him, but threw it out the window for getting more imp dick.
A real father who really loves his child would go the extra mile first to make sure their child is safe and THEN maybe try to safe his love life. But Stolas always put his love life above her. Even if it wasn't about his love life, he put his problems and grudges above Octavia again just to fight with Stella.
Octavia literally said it. "Why does he hate her more than he loves me?"
A real father, no matter the circumstances and how it gotten to that point, would always put his childs safety first.
And Stolas LEFT Octavia at home while knowing that Stella would pull this bullshit.
Or lets say. More so Stella getting suggested to pull that bullshit by her "brother"... thing.. doodad.. icebitch.. whatever it is supposed to be.
And that is also one of my biggest gripes with Vivzies writing. A good villain NEEDS a story arc WHY they are the villain or at least give us HINTS or the very least CRUMBS of WHY she really is that way.
But NOTHING. Not even dick diddelly. The only thing we get is a lazy. "Haha. Stella is so fucking evil! Sooooo evil. Evil for the sake of being evil.
And i so fucking hate this extremely lazy ass writing. It just oozes Vivzies Bias against "normal" personalities or even genders/sexes.
And sorry. No one can tell me that Vivzie doesn't love to make straight "cis" women absolute baboons at all times.
I don't know a single character in her shows that is fully straight that also has a meaningful personality or role. If they appear, they are killed off. Same with straight guys that are actually straight. Or how people these days even call it: "Superstraight" (That word makes me retch..)
So that is why i say. Stolas is this overgrown owldemondickhole that gets overhyped by the fandom. Because the giant manbaby is funny. Paired with giant edgy manbaby called Blitz, the fandom jerks itself off in their sleep to horse clopping, while screeching at the top of their lungs to those few sane individuals who try to have a properly written story arc for the characters Vivzie just pukes out on a whim.
But I love the millie flashback, and the new demon client looks adorable!
I’m just gonna say it this show is torture porn it’s the writer getting off to blitz suffering this isn’t suffering for characters it’s suffering for the sake of suffering. Also called it the writing wouldn’t get good
It's getting tiresome. Where's the other demons? You know, the ones that are anti God and anti-Christian? This is coming from a Christian man himself who can add Biblical references in the show.
Let's be honest. The whole problem is Stolas. He's a character that is killing the show, and most people think he's boring and annoying. Sure, there's a loud minority that's for it, but the silent majority has spoken (ironically, lol).
This isn’t a Millie episode it’s a blitz episode from her perspective
The episode "Ghost f**kers" is a good one... without the context.
First of all, Blitzø being so devastated because of his "break up" with Stolas makes sense without context but with the context it's terrible. Actually, "break up" isn't even a proper term since Blitzø himself states that they've never been in a relationship in the first place but their situation is so complicated that there's no other short way of putting it so I'm just going to call it "break up" i quotation marks.
So, about Stolitz and Blitzø himself... the way Blitzø "copes" with their "break up" feels like really Blitzø thing to do... and it doesn't at the same time. It does because because Blitzø is pretty impulsive and we got a little taste of him being a reckless spender when in "C.H.E.R.U.B" episode he spent the money he got from his client right away on something silly and useless (I don't remember what it was exactly beside the fact it was connected to horses). And him just procrastinating all days feels... fine. But on the other hand, it doesn't feel like Blitzø. Because I feel like it's been established like he cares about his loved ones more than he cares about himself. He acts like an asshole, yes, but he's always the one trying to defend those who he cares about. So it feels like his way of coping would surely be destructive like this, even rejecting clients as he was shown to do in the episode. But to intentionally spend the whole money made from his business while not paying his employees, who he cares about, in the process? It feels like a little too much. Doing so on accident would work but it doesn't feel like an accident since we're told it's like this for a month.
It looks even worse with the context. Because the context from season first and the last two episodes shows us that Blitzø doesn't love Stolas. It's not love, it's trauma bonding. He was gaslit and guilt-tripped, nothing will make me believe otherwise since beside stopping to make degrading comments (which is the vey minimum) Stolas hasn't changed a bit. He still made sexual comments in the season two though and never showed he actually cares (beside the scene in "Oops" where Blitzø tells about how Stolas "acts like he cares". But I don't recognize that it's canon because it's told, never shown). And beside the ending scene of "Western energy" there wasn't any real sign that Blitzø might care for Stolas. It was just thaf in "Full moon" and "Apology tour" he was gaslit and guilt-tripped.
You see, I love characters being tormented and I love toxic relationships... but there always has to be some kind of resolution. A toxic relationship for example may end with the characters leaving each other permamently or getting fixed. But at this point I don't think there's any possibility of fixing Stolitz. Even if Stolas realizes that he's in the wrong even more than Blitzø is, their relationship still has no real fundation. They have no point of connection. Everything there ever was is coercion and now, it's trauma bonding. So the only good solution is for them to end it. But obviously it's not going to happen. The writers are going to push this ship down our throats whetever we like it or not. And I actually do like it. I mean, I like it in the concept, it's great in the concept. But the execution just hurts me. It's just wasted potential...
When it comes to Millie... it feels unearned. As you said, it's just skipping to the juicy things without any set-up. It also feels unnatural. Like, you have this character that you've been doing nothing for the first season and the majority of second season. But then you decided that okay, fans are complaining about her lack of development so you have to gove them something to shut their mouths. Millie deserved better! Not to mention that she doesn't even really gets any development in this episode. What does she learns? When you think about it, there's nothing really. We only learned some of her backstory and how she met Blitzø. I liked the flashback sequence but besides that, there's nothing really... At least the relationship between Millie and Blitzø has already been established. But there was no build-up! It felt a little like "Truth seekers" but with Millie instead of Moxxie but worse because while the development from "Truth seekers" was just lost in the void, the development in "Ghost f**kers" never even existed in the first place!
Fighting scenes were cool and that's about it...
I'll simply say: thank fuck Apology Tour ended with them not being together because they shouldn't be together AT THE CURRENT STATE.
Neither Stolas or Blitz are in conditions to be in a relationship, period.
@@storm7428 Yes. That is correct. Blitzø has too many personal problems. He's self-destructive so even if his relationship with Stolas wasn't coercive in nature, he would still reject him because that's just the messed up kind of person he is. What he needs currently is not a partner but therapy (I mean, it's said he has a therapist in the furst episode but by the way he says it you can clearly say that therapy in Hell isn't really working). As for Stolas, he needs to get his family life under control first. He has a lot going on, like divorce. He also has a daughter that he unforunetly remembers about only if it's convinient for the plot... also, he has to realize his mistakes. Blitzø knows what he did wrong but Stolas lives in his own bubble and doesn't acknowledges that his actions affects other people (it's hilarious that it's said that Blitzø is the one who doesn't pay attention to the consequences of his actions to the other people while this sentence actually fits Stolas a lot better). But even if they do get their private life under control, I don't think there's really any point of them getting together. The writers gave them no connection point. This ship is perfect on paper but the execution is a disaster!
Helluva Boss has a bad habit of giving the emotional payoff with little-to-no setup. Hence the feeling of lack of meaningful closure.
It's king the [King Crimson] of storytelling, skipping the cause to get straight to the effect.
@@PlanetZoidstar Yes, "Helluva Boss" has a vey bad habit of doing so. I hate it because it's difficult to feel emotinally connected. Which is unfortunate for me because one of the reasons I get into fiction is to stimulate my emotions. But at least as an inspiring writer I can look at "Helluva Boss" and learn what NOT to do when writing a story so I can still call it win in a way :P
@@demondog9660 I think the problem is that Viv is just copying various romantic drama tropes she's seen in various shows (and Bojack Horseman) and she understands those tropes need to big emotional scenes that resonate with the viewer.
But because Viv is not isn't a writer she doesn't understand what is needed to make these scenes work. You actually need to build up to them with strong writing and meaningful character interactions in the lead up to those scenes.
Viv either fails to grasp this fundamental aspect of writing or she simply lacks the patience to lay down the groundwork to reach these big emotional scenes.
It's not so bad when you're writing an episodic show and you can boil down character arcs to a single episode - but Helluva Boss is not an episodic show.
Viv is writing Helluva Boss like it is (how many times has Moxxie repeated the same arc?) but it isn't and that's where the problem comes in.
Characters will often begin and complete their character arcs within the span of a single episode...But then the plot carries over into the next episode and their growth essentially resets.
But then alot of the time the developmental scenes leading up to the big emotional scenes either a) happen offscreen (and are only alluded to in passing), or b) they don't happen at all.
That's when Viv isn't undercutting the big emotional scenes with cringe comedy and crass sex jokes. Like Blitzo asking Fizz if he wants to make out during their moment of reconciliation, it kills the moment.
I am so tired of this show, man. Sick of it - but yeah, one thing that’s been on my mind is, *who the fuck buys the merch?!*
Blitzlynn/emberlitz is better than stolitz, change my mind. No wait you can't
Let's be honest, Blitz with anything is better than being with Stolas. Even a broomstick and a feather duster is better than Stolas, and both objects are built stronger than him.
@nickbanks7954 Blitz x verosika, blitz x Emberlynn, blitz x fizz, blitz x Mrs Mayberry, blitz x rita and blitz x Bethany ghostf**kers are all better choices
@@neokamenridereven his own self if he could. Is that considered gay or masturbation?
@@nickbanks7954 that would be autosexual
@TwilightVoid-h4s oh.
The worst part is stolas is not in the Court Episode in November, which I think is about LooLoo land and imps behaviour on earth. There is a DIFFERENT court scene in season 3 which drags on for some time.
How do you know he won't be in it? Also what is the difference between these court cases?
@@deadspaceskull6905 They said it at a comic con. And that voice line was stated to be season three. Idk what it’s gonna involve but it will suck.
@@Opalhibiscus if that's the case it will be very surprising to see a whole episode without stolas so the actual sins can get actual screentime. I pray to God we see envy ring in mastermind viv doesn't have anymore excuses not to show us it since it would make zero sense to show leviathan before we see the freaking envy ring.
He actually is in this episode unfortunately
@@CLtheDragon no, everyone else is getting sick of this bird
after watching new ep. i gotta to say man this is painful watch now
24:17 I mean I just thought he had some form of teleportation powers
Who is here after the new episode, I feel like there is a chance we’re Stolas can redeem himself by actually realizing how imps live but idk knowing vizie
Are you gonna talk about the "Mastermind" episode? I really would like to hear what you think about it :3
@@capitangarranegra I'm waiting for after Sinsmas👌🏿
I feel that millie problem will be fixed with season 3 and sinsmas had open the opportunity for that❤
The episode was eh and ok, I guess. 😅 Also, I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought that the animation in Blitz and Millie’s fight in the flashback felt so slow, no impact and little dynamic on the timing.~
Im the one who bought the pin of blitz's mom, i just couldnt resist lol
I loved this video! The episode was okay, could have done without the Blitz whinging over Stolas, but overall it was fine. Although, I do like your other videos as well. To be honest, I would like it if they completely stopped with the Stolas x Blitz relationship, that to me, is the most boring aspect of this show. I just don't care for it.
quack *neato* from Blooms
i hate that i’m hyper fixated on this show cause so many of the writing issues bothers me to no end and it hurts me so bad! like.. i know Stolitz is going to become canon, but i’m very much not looking forward to that as i believe there is no saving it. it’s too far in the deep end of abusive + built off this horrible foundation of coercion. i cannot believe they’re trying to push the narrative that blitz is ‘in love’ with stolas and he’s all depressed cause he lost him when they showed us very clearly in season 1 that he HATED his comments, his touch, even his mere presence made him uncomfortable! he never showed any romantic interest in him and no i’m not going to believe it’s him ‘pushing others away/not believing anyone could love him’ cause that’s bs. if the writers WANTED us to believe blitz started falling in love with him, they should of showed it to us! even then, stolitz being built from this transactional deal that stolas had all the power over feels very icky... and i will firmly believe blitz is trauma bonded to stolas rather than feeling anything actually romantic for him cause huh? he dislikes everything about him, and they have nothing in common anyway, (i hate the argument that they’re both messed up people cause no that doesn’t count) i just wish it was written differently or that they would’ve shipped blitz and fizz cause they have so much potential that’s already lay out for them! but of course, we’re going to get this horrible excuse of a ‘slow burn’ relationship. there’s only one ship i like and that’s moxxie and millie, i don’t even like fizz/ozz for different reasons that i won’t get into since my comment is long enough, but i just think at the end of the day the writers should’ve just stuck to comedy + the original plot / emotional moments rather then relationships and this stolitz drama. i guess since the writing is so bad, stolitz is probably one of the only things keeping this show afloat though so gotta keep it going :/
Blitz is so insufferable this episode
10:00 The reason I hate the episode. Well said you guys.
While it is good that we got a flashback of how Millie joined IMP, I felt like this could have been her focus episode, not another Blitzo crying about his past episode.
24:45 24:46
> proceeds to fail to understand Blitz's characterization and writing
>proceeds to not explain how either she does it or how this affects the video
Oh yeah i just watched defending stolas, and since you clearly are one of those im not responding any s you say.
I understand it, if I missed something you're welcome to say it instead of acting like a smarta$$.
@@ArteiceTB I made walltexts with a considerable size which goes around Stolitz just yet because this story is big, but from what I gathered it's enough to see where my point is going for
See, this is what I meant when i said Blitz was changing! He literally had some kinda lobotomy in Apology Tour because theres no way he suddenly has feelings for Stolas out of nowhere and is sulking. Like man! And Stolas ignoring him is a real dick move, idgaf if Verosika says "give him space-" like bitch! Stolas NEVER gave Blitz space! He could be busy during his job (Murder Family) doing his own thing (Loo Loo Land with the little finger puppets which is still fucked imo), and Stolas would still hit him up and act dirty and flirty. But now Blitz can't do that back because why? Its so one sided its actually insane. And Stolas literally (technically) almost causes IMP to go bankrupt, so now if he does join IMP, it aint even wholesome. Hes just fixing HIS fuckup. God.....this show man. I love it to bits, but the way its driving its plot and characters into the ground is making me Exorcist.
I'll admit, Ghostfuckers had its merits. It focused solely on a good A-Plot, some good character development with Blitz and Millie (which I will say the best friend thing did feel forced but I think Brandon just did the best he could with the shit situation at hand), an AMAZING villian (the first we've had literally all fucking season, which is sad seeing we got practically got 2 extras on top of the already huge list of Villians (Mammon and Crimson), legitimately good voice acting and visuals, and excellently choreographed fight scenes. Millie fighting hard and rough with little care for little damage compared to Blitz's graceful agility due to his circus background and ability to hit hard at the same time was an amazing thing to watch. Overall, this comes 2nd in my opinion to Oops.
As for the shorts, I really liked them. Seeing Millie and Sallie bond was cute and much needed Millie development, the back to back Mission shorts are also sweet and a nice callback to the original premise. The only complaint i have is we need some genuine character shorts as well. Like give us an Octavia shenenigans short, or a Loona short, or maybe even a Stella short. Or STRIKER- just someone else to give us some more depth! As of now, in order, ones got barely any character, ones still an angry abusive bitch for no reason, one's got nothing outside of being a bitch, and ones got literally only insanity for them. At this point in time, Blitz and Stolas AREN'T going to be a healthily developer, natural ship. Its just Stockholms Syndrome with forced guilt tripping.
Idk about you, but this is Millie's episode through and through
I think the main issue people have is that Millie and Blitzo have never engaged as friends, so it feels unearned
@@Birdyboysexactly. When she said “best friend” I was like 🤨
@@Birdyboys Yeah, maybe keep them as like close friends rather than best friends
Lol this was not Millie’s episode, this was more of a Blitzø with Millie backstory episode.
Far form it
Manifesting Blitz learning how to decenter romantic relationships and lean into platonic friendships 🩵 Keep going king
I actually would like to see in an episode if Stolas was paying attention that Blitz has a daughter and a life outside of him. Because it seems that he can't fathom Blitz not just being there for his convenience.
In fact I wouldn't mind seeing an episode of Loona and Stolas being in the same room talking because it would be an eye-opener for Stolas.
Because even she knows her father was sleeping with him for that magic book and having her go off on him would be refreshing
@@seeleunit2000 Exactly! Actually, I'd like to have both Stolas and Loona have some kind of relationship established and Blitzø and Octavia have some kind of relationship established too. You'd think that if the writers want to make Stolitz canon, they would build some kind of bonds with each other's daughters or at least acknowledge their existence. But Stolas never seem to acknowledge Loona and Blitzø only has few interactions with Octavia in "Loo Loo Land". Not to mention having any actual relationship. You could say that Octavia doesn't like Blitzø because he views him as home-wrecker. But if she does, then it means they should have some negative interactions. But we've never even got something simple as that! It's just such wasted potential!
Do you imagine how interesting would it be to have Stolas interact with Loona and start to understand lower classes' persepctive better and potentially find out how little he actually knows about Blitzø?
Or have Octavia blame Blitzø for her home situation and clearly voice it? And I also think that it would be cool if Octavia and Blitzø were in a situation that would make Via somehow understand our protagonist's perspective and somehow warm up to him?
I think when you write romance between people who has already had their own children they should have some kind of relationship with each other's children. Not only this can create interesting dynamics but it's also good for the story... But of course it's "Helluva Boss" so we can't have noce things.
It would be better if Loona told him about her vet visit, this would make Stolas realize how much of an asshole he was for chewing Blitzø out for not coming to get him.