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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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// What is the Porsche Taycan?
The Porsche Taycan is an all-electric car made by German automobile manufacturer Porsche. The concept version of the Taycan, named the Porsche Mission E, debuted at the 2015 Frankfurt Motor Show.[4] The Taycan was revealed fully production-ready at the 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show.[3] As Porsche's first series production electric car,[4] it is sold in several variants at different performance levels, and may spawn further derivatives in future models.[5] More than 20,000 Taycans were delivered in 2020, its debut sale year, representing 7.4% of the total Porsche volume.[6]
Nomenclature
The name "Taycan" roughly translates from Turkish as "lively young horse", in reference to the steed of the Stuttgart coat of arms on the Porsche crest.[7][8]
Porsche named the high performance models Turbo and Turbo S despite the absence of a turbocharger, following the tradition set by high performance Porsche derivatives with internal combustion engines.[9]
Design
The Taycan's interior features Porsche's first fully digital instrumentation, with up to four digital displays, including a curved, free-standing 16.8-inch configurable driver's display. A 280 mm (10.9 in) screen to the right of the instrument cluster is the car's infotainment center. An optional screen to the right of the infotainment screen allows the front passenger to customise the infotainment system. On the centre console, an 210 mm (8.4 in) portrait-oriented, touchpad-controlled screen shows the powertrain's status and advises the driver on using the car's power efficiently. In contrast with the all-digital layout, the dashboard features the classic Porsche clock at its top.
The exterior styling, by former Porsche Exterior Designer Mitja Borkert, is strongly influenced by the Mission E concept car, retaining most of its design elements except the "suicide doors" and B pillars. Design features of the Taycan include a retractable rear spoiler, retractable door handles, and an advanced regenerative braking system. Taking full advantage of its drivetrain layout, the Taycan combines the fundamental short-nosed front proportions of traditional Porsches with the stretched proportions of modern front-engine models towards the rear, providing clear design links to existing models. The front features four-point LED daytime running headlamps. At the rear, the car has a short notchback-style boot lid, housing a full-width light band serving as taillights and turn signals and providing access to one of two luggage compartments. The other compartment is under the bonnet, with a claimed capacity of nearly 100 litres. The Taycan Turbo and Turbo S models include carbon-fibre trim and 20-inch wheels.
I've driven the Taycan 4S and thought that it was an incredible car in comparison with my Model Y (which I absolutely love). I'll bet the GTS experience was incredible! Thank you so much for sharing.
Porsche is about supreme engineering and driving dynamics. Tesla is about tech, and futurism. Not similar in anyway.
@@KyleHubb Shame the tech options on the GTS put Tesla literally in the shade.... switchable pano roof Tesla? Oh no, not available. 4 wheel steering? HUD? NIght Vision? Nope nope nope. Tesla tech is basic, I know as I have one. Much vaunted OTA has simply destroyed the usability of my car (eMMC failure & MCU1 slooooooow no codebase updates since 2020 Q3 etc etc) Looking forward to replacing it in a years time.
@@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 LOL. Light adjustable panoramic roof, and HUD aren't tech that Porsche own. Those are from suppliers, and anyone can purchase the same thing from the supplier. 4-wheel steering is literally useless, especially when the car isn't as long as the Maybach. When I say tech, I'm not referring to simple gimmicks anyone can purchase from a supplier out there. I'll leave you to it then...
@@KyleHubb I don't care, they're tech I can buy in MY car. None of those are purchasable in my S. Hell I can't even connect properly to an iPhone. Brakes and steering aren't gimmicks, the fact that you think they're literally useless says much about your understanding of cars. Stick to phones and laptops.
@@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 tesla can make better software and better drivers assistance systems
Had a Tesla for 8 years since 2013 and I picked up the Porsche TAYCAN a few months ago and let me tell u I will never go back to Tesla again! It's not even close they feel so cheap and badly put together 🚨 doesn't even feel like a luxury vehicle to me anymore. I see to many on the road here in California and the more I see them the more ugly they feel to me lol. My Taycan rules ! Everywhere I go ppl ask me questions about the car and can't stop looking makes me feel uncomfortable sometimes in a good way lol but I'm in love with car and I feel blessed to own one 🙏🏾
Great video. Getting to drive a car like this on a track under "race" conditions is the ultimate bucket list thing to do. It sounds like from your review that every EV has its shortcomings. Maybe an idea for a video would be to create, at least hypothetically, the perfect EV taking what is in your opinion the best features you have seen from the vehicles you have experienced.
Thanks for sharing. In the Porsche community, "GTS" is viewed somewhat as merely an option package, a matter of marketing more than performance. But we want the badge anyway. A more serious track car would be a GT3, or GT3 RS.
Thanks! Yeah still trying to make sense of their trim levels
Yes, the 911 GT3 RS is probably the benchmark.
@@DavidWilliams-DSW558 I'm a docent at the local auto museum, where the current exhibit is one of each 911 RS ever produced. Newer models are always "GT3 RS" or "GT2 RS". The only non-911 in modern Porsche history to be called an RS is the Cayman GT4 RS, announced just last week. Will Porsche ever call a full 4 passenger car a GT3 or RS? You never know with Porsche marketing - they're capable of anything, not least of which is "Taycan Turbo".
@@BenSullinsOfficial That would require a major commitment, and an ability to see through the fog of marketing! In any case, don't leave their slick book-length brochures on your coffee table. It is true, however, that every guy needs to own a Porsche at least once.
@@curtaustin8119, I'll have a look for a photo of my friend's RS
SO MANY EV OPTIONS!!! I just wanna hug somebody. This is how we get to an all EV world: an EV option for every driver out there. So happy.🤠
my first car was a 71 ford pinto. I would love an EV version of that, my mullet blowing in the wind again.
😁
'73 Pinto Wagon, here. Still the best gearbox I've ever used - would be a shame to electrify it!
5:11 It seems your stance has evolved on this! Great to see that you get it! Few EV only people out there understand that.
My take after a month in a 4s: Love the driving experience compared to anything; Hate the haptic controls (I want knobs); hate the preheat/cool ability (an hour is a long time to be planning ahead); love the charge time when it’s 150kw or more (I’ve gotten 20per to 85per in 10 minutes with no pre heat/cool); hate the charge time when it’s 50kw or less (might as well forget about doing anything that day).
Overall, Tesla folk remind me of the drag strip whuttabouters of the mid 90s: “but muh 62 Chevelle with a b&m blower will roast your 911”
The model s is amazing going straight or for commuting; the taycan is amazing thru the twisters. Let’s leave it at that. Apples and Oranges.
Model S Plaid 100% stock official Nurburgring lap time: 7:30.9
Porsche Taycan Turbo pre production unofficial Nurburgring lap time with non stock track tires: 7:42
You could say that the Plaid is faster on the straight and the Taycan is faster in the corners and you'll be pretty much right, but to compare a Plaid to an old VW bus is just dumb. overall, it's a faster car bot on the straight and on the track, for 60 to 80.000$ cheaper. Put carboceramics on the Plaid and some proper tires like the Taycan that set the 7:42 time and you'll get a sub 7:20. easy.
@@matteocomelli9587 yeah, but it's still a 10 year old body style riding on a $140k vehicle. 99% of survey respondents would prefer to drive the Ring in a 718 GT4 RS if they could get their hands on one.
@@radcardad well of course, 718 gt4 rs is a sports car, makes sense people prefer it on the track over a performance family sedan..
The s-class is almost the same since like 2005, still looks good, Model S had some improvements in the body style, but what's underneath is what counts
The one hour is how long it will preheat/cool for, not how long in advance you need to set it.
Fantastic idea to have glass tint/filter light so visors not needed. Fine for daylight driving, but also applicable to night driving when oncoming vehicles have brights on. I have sunglasses handy when driving on night trips.
Such a fun car.
Good stuff Ben, thanks. I don't know if you notice there seems to be a lip-sync issue with the video.
So, what does it do to your range to put a bike rack and bike on the back of your Porsche EV? That looks like a lot of drag.
If you've never experienced brake fade you are lucky! It is a sinking feeling to know your brakes are failing... This was common before disc brakes became ubiquitous.
>>Taycan Turbo and Taycan Turbo S have entered the room.
Agree styling is the best of all EVs. Totally classic.
You made a mistake at 10:45. The variable light control roof is only available in the GTS sedan right now, not the wagon.
The spec on those demo cars 👌
Like a higher driving position, shorter wheel base with Full Self Driving? Not sure which manufacturers are going for this market
Absolutely love the Taycan Cross and Sport Turismo wagons. Pricey but stunning EV’s that any car guy/gal would love to enjoy as a daily. Saw it at the LA auto show and WOW. I found a dealer who will sell their first allocation at MSRP but they’ve ordered in black. Seriously tempted though…
Another great video. You are on point about the tech side of the vehicle. If only it can pack tech features like Tesla, that would have ranked the car number one in the EV world
A friend of mine drives for a Porsche racing team and has a number of Porsches, but he very much remains to be convinced of EVs, even the Taycan.
People don't buy Porsche because they need it. They buy it, because they can :)
Ben looks like a small boy riding a bike for the first time, just missing sticking out his tongue to concentrate more intensely while driving this car :D
Very cool that you got this experience and it was great to hear your thoughts. As you said about the tech, Porsche is a car company first so its understandable that there is room for improvement. However one would expect more at this price point.
I had a 2021 GT4, (Tracked it a bit) and now daily drive a Taycan 4S. I love the 4S, I don't see myself going for the GTS; but I really do like the package. I don't even know if the tracks have chargers yet?
I have a Tesla MY and I think this would be my next car to do some track days
Interesting comments. Particularly re ADAS, I don't call random phantom braking decent.... Downright bloody dangerous. 2018.50 was probably the best release and it's been downhill ever since for me to the point where I only use it on my own as my partner hates what AP has become. Uncomfortable, downright scary on occasion and many miles away from what it was when we first got our S.
Pricewise, I can drop a load of options into a GTS (£20k worth in fact) and it's still cheaper than a Plaid over here when with paint wheels and EAP it's $175k... Not a cheap car and still very much a Tesla (which is both good and bad). Anyway, as of now we can't order a Plaid anyway as all S and X orders have been stopped in the UK.
Great review. looking forward to more in depth comments on how easy a Taycan is to live with eg trip planning etc.
I don' see where it is specified whether this unit is a two wheel drive model or an all wheel drive model, I suspect that it's a two wheel drive model with all o the talk about reduced weight.
How about that onboard AC charger, and routing around damaged cells?
ALK is actually good for hwy just not for secondary roads
Look at those beefy brakes
Been on track one day.Liked driving. Did enjoy the force for a lape with expert driving but no more thanks
I didn't expect the funniest part in this video would be the sponsor segment. Make ship happen! 😂🤣
9:49 - rear tyre pressure should be higher than front tyre pressure ;-)
those weren’t exactly the GTS barkes…. thats a 9 grand option, available on all Taycans…
What things are removed to make it a better track focused than the turbo? I am debating between the GTS and Turbo.
IIRC some of the suspension tuning and the interior trim. Basically EVERYTHING is Alcantara in the GTS. I'd personally go Turbo over the GTS
Question for one of the experts
What do you think of Aptera
You talk about TRACKING, and not one mention about LAP TIMES, or turn-in feel, or how the power gets put down at track-out, or anything about the driving dynamics? Ben, Ben, Ben....tsk tsk....
Awesome video! BTW, what color car was that you were driving? Chalk or Coffee Beige?
Chalk
Porsh-ah. Porsh-ah. Not Porsh.
Tie Con? (Thought we all agreed to go w/Brit - Tae Kan)
Actual prices are like significantly higher due to dealership and other costs
Nobody buys a Porsche for the auto pilot!
Please do more Lucid videos
But the Porsche can read speed limit signs. 🤣🤣
I wish my Model 3 would read ALL speed limit signs. On my way to Vegas, there are places where the limit changes from 45 to 65. My Model 3 refuses to see that change, but will always see a change from 65 or 70 to 55 or 45. I keep giving bug reports but it never changes.
What about all of the battery issues these cars are having? I have driven the TurboS version and it was eye opening. I don't want one though.
Sounds like a classic case of Whataboutism
@@BenSullinsOfficial this pertains to the same car that you discussed so I disagree - if it’s a part of the ownership experience then it should be discussed
Is that the chalk metallic color?
Yep
It’s beautiful
Have you driven the plaid? Would you choose this over the plaid?
yep, and I'd choose the Taycan 4S RWD over the Plaid, yes. Mostly because of the excellent build quality, driving dynamics, and styling.
why does it have 4 dores i mean thats basically 90% a turbo s
Thanks!
So how much quicker around the corners is this than a Model S Plaid?
Or the quicker (0-60 in 3.1s) Model 3P ($60K) ?
The brakes alone will be the difference although the plaid will always catch up on the straight. then again the Plaid has 3 motors so no real comparison, maybe the Germans might be silly and give us a 4 motor RS version
Energica Ego Corsa is the sportiest EV.
I agree Ben, the Sport Turismo looks great, better than the sedan IMO and adds the extra cargo space.
Who is this for? Some one who wants a Rimac, but can't afford it, or some one who doesn't desire modifying a Tesla Perf 3 or Plaid, or a Porsche lover who wants all that EVs can offer.
I have a viral video idea 💡 for you . How much solar energy power is lost when they are using chemical trails to block the sun?
Nice car but still there's a feeling that still an analog car 🚗. New generations have different taste for car
Does it not have (or use) regenerative breaking in track mode, to support the breaking? Perhaps it is not possible to dissipate kinetic energy into chemical energy fast enough?
It uses Regen when you hit the brake pedal actually, which probably makes sense for track driving but I found it odd for daily driving
@@BenSullinsOfficial thank you for the reply - I guess the regen (when hitting the brakes) helps compared to an ICE car on the track, but probably offset by the additional work that the brakes need to do due to the additional weight of the battery... interesting that you say there is no auto-regen / one-pedal-driving - that suggests they are aiming it more at ICE drivers, which makes commercial sense - but I would find it odd too! (I feel it is a good safety feature to have high auto-regen setting as it reduces the reaction time under some circumstances - ie when moving foot from accelerator to brake pedal in an emergency you have already started braking before you hit the brake pedal)
I hope that if it 'breaks', it can easily be repaired.
@@NVRick1 haha - covfefe fingers!... or maybe autocorrect and not rereading before posting - oops!
I hope they give it the 911 headlights then it would be 🔥
This is not a Tesla. This a sports car first that happens to be electric
Awesome machine....my only complaint is they didn't do center-lock wheels like on the 911 GTS. Would have just topped it off perfectly.
Just try and take a long journey in it !
Try and charge it away from home….. the frustration will will have every owner wishing they had purchased a Tesla.
Nah, people that own these take “journeys” in their S-Class 😂😂
Good 👍🏾
Tech first is not a good thing Ben
Typical Porsche strategy - remove staff from the car, make it more expensive.
Is this a Porsche Ad? Pretty sad...
So... the perfect getaway car?
You sure it's the fastest EV?
Steady Mobbin
if you want the best EV (Electric Vehicle) it's a Tesla but if you want the best EC (Electric Car) then it's a Porsche ;-)
Interesting take!
Great video Ben. That’s awesome you had the opportunity to do that. I test drove the Taycan 4S & the car looks beautiful! I didn’t like the regenerative breaking at all & the plastic bumpers. Inheritor was very nice & I also wasn’t a fan of the UI. With that being said, I jumped back into the Tesla S performance & I felt the Tesla drove better. 🤷🏽IMO.
Tesla drives better. Sorry, that is simply not the case.
@@Sam-tx1tn File that under things that never happened
Taycan GT3 RS?
Maybe in 2 years
It’s starting to feel like the Taycan is the only EV on the market that has character and soul, as a car.
Teslas are just terminators hellbent on quarter mile domination, but the Taycan looks like its actually lively and engaging.
I still prefer Tesla, but the Taycan def has a soul
Sportiest but will loose to a model 3 in a race longer than 55km because of its backwards designed battery keeps overheating.
you can buy i cant even get run over by it
So, did you learn what is that weird clock in the middle of the dash, for?
It's a stopwatch that comes with the Sports Crono package I believe.
@@nickmoore385 well you should tell it to the author of this video.
Did you ask the Porsche guys how it compared to the GT3 on a track?
Not even close GT3 is 900kg lighter
Congratulations, my ears weren't in pain, cheers
Word on the street is that most taycans have major battery issues and porsche is covering it up … these taycan fanboy videos are not going age well 🤣
An overpriced Bolt that's warranty expressly states that you have to maintain the car's charge between 20% and 50%. Guess the "whistle blower's report" is being ignored. Sporty in deed.
I wouldn't call it sportiest, while it's way worse on Nurburgring than a Model S Plaid. And I am not even talking about the fact, all of these cars have a bad battery, which is causing damages to the cells and may cause a fire or significant degradation... Just buy a Model S...
Might not beat Plaid on laptime, but beat it on looks.
The 911 Taycan turbo will lmaooo
What is so new about this GTS and what makes it so performance specific other than missing HP parts to make it lighter? Torque, power and brakes are the same as the higher end iterations-nothing special. I do not buy just a general statement of the different suspension tweaking. 50% of the presentation is about tech, niche positioning, and even other models. OK, not a technical presentation to support sportiness, but no specifics on performance difference either: not a professional driver to say what that is.
Since you did not run a Tesla Plaid, I can not listen to the choice.
Lucid with 1100HP and 520 mile range for the win!
Curious how it will do on a track
But it weighs 786 pounds more than Model S Plaid🤔 And Turbo S weighs 340 pounds more🤔 They both accelerate way slower too🤔
@@4literv6 Wait no. I accidentally looked up turbo s. This gts actually weighs 786 pounds more than the Plaid. I will edit my comment. This car also only does 0 to 60 in 3.5 secs compared to Plaid's 1.99. I don't know what Ben's thinking🤦♂️
No one buying a Taycan cares
@@brandenflasch I don't care about that. I was just asking Ben to make sense of the title
@@PassportGaming Didn't he mention in the video that it's about enjoying a car on a race track - not on a drag strip?
@@robertkempe2730 Less weight means better handling and braking. What makes it the sportiest if it's slower, brakes slower and handles worse?
Half of all TAYCAN's have battery and software issues.
From dieselgate to batterygate:
Six out of ten Porsche Taycan ever delivered have a problem with battery management that affects and damages battery cells, requires replacement of cells and batteries, and is causing vehicle fires, according to a source working at Porsche’s headquarters in Zuffenhausen, Germany. Porsche is reportedly hiding the problem from customers and authorities and quietly replacing damaged battery cell modules without informing customers to cover up the problem. Tesla offered to help Porsche with battery management through Audi contacts years ago, but Porsche management at the time rejected any external help, saying it could handle everything internally, the source noted.
“The problem affects six of ten delivered vehicles,” the source, who could be described as a whistleblower, said.
source: Teslarati
Unsubscribed. Your channel became painful to watch.
Bye Felicia. Thank you for taking your negativity and going home.
@@mathastings6043 Tesla fangirls do tend to be highly sensitive....
@@Patrick-bu5vy Why Tesla fangirls? 250 miles range is a joke from pretty much every EV perspective nowadays. Lucid, Rivian, the Chineese automakers. The only thing that Tycan has is good looks. From technology perspecive is it a mid quality EV with price of a premium product.
@@thatchwhistle Yeah, I did not drive it, but drove bunch of other EV, including all Teslas. To make such a review and ignore the huge issues with Tycan is just ... disngenious. In what world 250 mile range with 120k car is ok. And if you drive it like a sportscar you will end up with more like 150-170 miles range. That is not ok.
I get it, dont hate on technology just becasue 'it is not tesla'. Sure I am all for it. Mustang Mach-E looks like a great car. Kia Niro is a very good tradeoff for price. But Tycan is Gucci of EVs: poor quality, and price tag of top tier product.
Porsche electric vehicles are overpriced for almost all of the characteristics currently on the market.
the entire taycan interior layout is unnessesarely messy, complex, trying to be exactly opposite of tesla, like useless buttons for lighting on the most prominent location, and therefore worse just by not wanting to follow. I for example havent manually switched on my lights for years since they invented sensors.
Yeah that helmet will prevent you from dying when you crash going 100+ mph, 🤦♂️
12 Laps is all it will do until it gets recharged 12 hours later...lol
Another UA-camr Another Porsche salesman.
And another dumb comment from the Porsche hater. Winner of 4 channel terminations for insulting the godly brand that is Porsche.