In case anyone hasn't said it yet those little metal tabs that look like they go nowhere are used by the factory to check for water leaks during the build process (ironic I know lol) from what I remember being told they have them connected to something and if they come into contact with water then it completes a circuit and they can trace where it is leaking from. Once its passed the test instead of removing them all they just just cut all the ends off and leave them in place since they wont be seen anyway - source, I'm a former Audi tech that was told this by a mastertech and yes this video gives me flashbacks of chasing electrical faults forever which I do not miss! Good luck guys, hope the rice works its magic 🤣
In my mind, these guys are in the year 2080 trying to restore a rare and valuable car. And to do it, they use a rare ThinkPad made in 2019, with antique software
I'm restoring and driving a car with a bigger age difference than that, and it's a breeze. Imagine people doing that with cars of today... no one is going to bother...
All those modules moght not be bad - I had a similar problem with my Porsche Cayenne. I shorted out the alternator module and it make it look like all the modules were bad/couldnt talk but it was just alternator module. It was like the alternator module was screaming on the bus and no one else could talk to each other because once I disconnected the bad alternator module all the others started to talk just fine. You can start disconnecting the bad modules a a few at a time and see if the others start to talk and then add them back one by one.
The CAN malfunction is the first thing I noticed. I am wondering what the codes are. If CAN has a malfunction, it probably doesn't know what is going on.
Yeah, most of those modules in the red are because of the battery being bad. Typical VW. Change the battery, erase the codes in VCDS and you'll see what happens.
maybe the BMS does that since the High Voltage to DC12V Converter is broken - so maybe it even cuts off other modules to avoid getting discharged to 0.
Thank you for giving a shout out to *Ross-Tech* and their wonderful VCDS diagnostic software! Ross-Tech has been serving the VW/Audi community for *over twenty years.* It was amazing to know that the latest version also works with the Audi Etron too!
Indeed and replacement modules can be long coded with vcds but getting the corect coding is going to be pioneering. Certainly allows for customizing the car too.
@@mattinthebox24 it ignores the main ECU fault codes and sends seperate requests to all of the small ECUs and keeps prying till it has all and any smal trace of errors.
I miss my old job, they bought contact cleaner by the case. Idk if it was entirely my fault how much they bought, but i probably wasted a bottle or two a month on fireballs 😆
Yuss.. I thought this video would be full of many many cans of electrical component cleaner. Don't give up guys, I love the suck of it (for you of course!)
Replaced my timing chains about a year ago, talk about stressful. Luckily I was able to rent a lift stall for 3 weeks. Worked it when I didnt have to do my real job.
@@garrettparmenter938 was it worth the money saved doing the work yourself? i mean if youre renting out a lift for nearly a month anyway. dont have an audi, but the maintenance and work on my jetta has been as incredibly joy inducing and positive as most other people here make it sound lol
@@premo8564 it was certainly worth it. Could afford parts and the lift. Not the man hours for a professional to do it. I learned alot. Only cost me about $600 doing it, half parts half stall time. Saw alot of stuff online itd cost $2k+ for a shop. Hated it at the time. Now i get the warm fuzzies as im still driving it daily.
The inspection reminder is based on driven mileage OR time. So the first inspection is due to either driving over 10k km OR after 1 year, whatever comes first. The car prob sat in the salvage lot a few months, thats why its reminding you to go to service after just 2.5k miles
Huh. Then Audi EVs must require a lot more service than the VW ones. My VW ID.3 is only supposed to be serviced every 2 years, and there is no limit on the mileage there. I guess the Audis are driven a lot harder :-D
@@bentmatt They are depending on the car and age of the car. The E-Tron has a basic service interval every 2years or 30k km. However sometimes there are also small services and there is one for 10k km or after 1year when the car is new, after that its the basic 2years. If you don't do the small service after the first year or 10k km, the 2year or 30km is the next one.
@@gLu3xb3rchi interesting. I was also a bit surprised when i saw that there was no mileage limit for the service intervals of the VW ID cars. One of the guys in the ID drivers forum on Facebook drives his ID.3 more than 100kkm per year, so it will be above 200kkm when his car goes to its first service. I wonder if that will be OK 😄
I was a lot longer but edited out the cursing and long periods of silence while they contemplated putting car in crusher and bad life choices chasing electrical gremlins. LOL
Hey word of advice u might wanna drain ur compressor or water seperator cause that air blower was blowing straight water out lmao 🤣 😂 it looked like a steamer
I thought they did that on purpose to dissolve the salt, then blow it away. All in one step instead of spray water first, then wipe up. I'm SURE they saw the water coming out.
I live in Quebec, my first language is French, and indeed the word "étron" means turd. When I saw the event where they unveiled the Audi e-tron, I was speechless and burst out laughing like a kid. Germany is right next to France, I'm pretty sure they know what it means, it wasn't an accident. 😂
I wonder if Audi gives the car a different name in France. Still funny though, makes me think of the '60s when GM tried to sell the Chevy Nova in Mexico, and almost nobody bought them. But in Spanish, "no va" is a way of saying "won't go," so people wouldn't buy a car that their friends would make fun of. So they changed the name to Chevrolet Caribe, and they sold plenty of them.
I'm pretty sure, based on 1st hand experience, that they are up their own arses so much they didn't even consider that it might mean something bad, as long as it sounds öriginal and ëdgy, ah ja?
Just an old guy casual fan of channel with a question about flood cars. I managed a MAACO a long time ago. We had a drive in oven attached to paint booth to speed drying, temp was between 120 and 140. Wonder if it would help dry out car if you put flood car in oven for a bit to let moisture evaporate ? I am guessing it might help dry up areas that would be hard to reach. Curious if it would also dry moisture inside electrical connections.
The problem with a salt-water flood is that just drying out the car is not enough - you need to wash out the salt first and _then_ dry it out, otherwise you've got salt on everything which is a recipe for corrosion later. Hopefully modern electrical connections mostly keep the water out, but any that have got wet need a thorough clean to avoid a thoroughly unreliable car in a few years time.
Rice, Classic Rich rebuilds! Love it! but really why not toss a dehumidifier inside the car? I've done it with great results. Wish I had pics or photos to share.
I'd think they need to steam all areas that have salt first so that they can really clean it out with water. Otherwise,dehumidifying it would just remove the water and leave salt.
Just a tip it seems your air compressor tank could use a drain. Seems like residual moisture was coming out the nozzle which usually means your tank may have some water build up. Not 100% sure but pretty sure haha
I'm glad Lee stood his ground and printed the paper. Don't paper shame, Stevon! Lol. It is true though that an awful lot of paper is wasted but I would have printed this one too.
Yeah, can’t do anything with module marrying though. That has to be all done VIA ODIS. Went to replace my radio with a PQ MIB2 unit from a Tiguan, it was like the old radio code but worse. At least the car drove with it flagged, couldn’t imagine dealing with CP for something like the drive unit.
@@RichRebuilds On these cars you have to deal also with SFD Protected Access. So many moduls are not able to be coded without unlocking. The Small Handy Tool OBD11 is able to unlock the ECUs SFD Protection and then you can work with VCDS to recode them.
In theory BEVs are more reliable in average than ICEs. The issue it's the trend to have almost an iPad on wheels. All those electronics around the powertrain, will eventually degrade over time. And most Automakers in average only give support for their models around a decade.
I have used the term cell phones on wheels for a while for this reason. These cars will guaranteed brick according to manufacturer plans when they want more sales. Hell, Tesla has been doing it for how long now? Mind you, that is simply from refusing to repair or source parts, but you get the point.
Yes, designing everything around these locked systems and not user friendly is going to create a wild E waste problem when no one can work on them and the manufacturer costs of repair even if they offer it will be more than the cars are worth in a decade. Such a joke when people say save the environment with these anti environmental designs
Low voltage on the 12v battery is a pain. I’d swap out the battery with a replacement one just to see if that helps. Better yet, put it on a lithium charger and disconnect the terminals to the car, and check on its health first. Then follow the shorts. Something somewhere is pissed and it’s screwing up the readings everywhere else
From my experience working on a VAG car with a CAN-BUS system - this is a whole thing! The cars are very sensitive to low voltage on the 12v battery and it can cause ghost faults. I would use the solvent methods some others have mentioned (distilled water, isopropyl alcohol, etc) to clean things up. But as long as they have a bad 12v battery in an Audi, they are chasing wild geese.
If I remember correctly the component protection fault is a ghost fault. These things (etron gt) have loads of ghost faults that can clear but come right back. Even with factory scan tool ( Audi tech here)
Here's the ultimate collab opportunity Rich for this rebuild. Contact Diagnosis Dan in the Netherlands. That man is an electric diagnosis legend especially Audi.
the real problem with salt water is it gets inside the wiring if its sat underwater for any real length of time. then over time the wires rot hidden by the insulation its a real long term nightmare
I would pull that emergency disconnect and make sure there's no corrosion. Also, the car needs to be washed with a water/vinegar solution. Yes, you need to douche the car. That will help neutralize the salt and corrosion. 'Yall are in the salt belt, so I suspect you already know this.
That little sensor, i believe, is a radio sensor for the keyless actions. Such as unlock if the key is in your pocket. That’s why you see them at every door
Good luck with the "rice will fix it" stunt. Rice is a mediocre desiccant at best and being slapped on the carpet in an open car will be worse than useless. All you are doing is making a giant mess and forcing grains into tiny nooks and crannies from which it will be difficult, if not impossible, to fully remove them. Warm (not hot) forced air fans directed into the interior over time would be 100x more effective at removing trapped moisture.
@@ryanwilkinson571 If so, that's going to be lot of work for that LOL when they try to remove those tiny rice grains that are now embedded into every inaccessible crevice of that interior.
Tavarish I found your videos years ago when I was a teenager just starting high school. I always had a love for cars but never had family that was into it or anything like that. your videos are what showed me determination and your own pursuit of that knowledge is all it takes so I dived head in and bought an 05 S500 that was dumped at the shop I was apprenticing at and have been building cars better since then. I’m currently building a turbo Subaru BRAT if you ever make it to Salt Lake City to see papa Strad don’t be afraid to check out the local car scene ❤️ love you and your work brother I’m glad to see your building your channel in a way that puts you into new experiences and adventures 🤘🏿
Turning your phone on when it gets wet was like the absolute worst thing to do until you dry it out. These guys have a still dripping wet electric car and their genius trouble shooting idea was to keep turning it on and off and trying to drive it lmao.. I bet it actually would be drivable, had they bothered to open the computer modules and battery case and hit it with a few fans for a day or two to dry it out..
I'd pull every control module out and open them up and clean them out with deionized water and/or CRC electrical cleaner and dry them out... then flush the interior/floorpan out with SaltsGone or similar salt treatment to neutralize the salt and dry it out again.
The service loop circuit isn’t just the 1st responders emergency disconnect. That circuit is usually wired in series throughout all the high voltage devices (motors, DC-DC converters, AC compressors…). The low voltage signal is terminated at every high voltage plug, so the contactors will not turn on unless all high voltage wiring is plugged in as well. You probably have hidden corrosion on the circuit somewhere at a connector.
Why not put a dehumidifier in the car? With the doors closed the passenger compartment is almost fully airtight, and you should be able to find a spot around a door edge where you can get a power cord through and still close the door. You’d need to empty the pan repeatedly but it’ll pull all the moisture out.
Guys I'm starting to think buying an EV flooded in salt water might not have been the brightest idea.. I'm greatfull for the content though. Keep making bad decisions and us entertained, Uncle Rich.
There is another service disconnect in a fuse box behind the rear seats passenger side behind a piece of carpet in the trunk. It's a fuse with a yellow tag (at least it's there in the taycan, probably same position here) maybe check this one as well
How often do you drain your air tanks. It really shouldn't look so misty when you blow air on surfaces. You guys have been dealing with these issues for so long and still don't take (particularly) electric parts off to clean them in a distilled solution or at least highly filtered water? I worked at a electronics return facility and took all the parts apart dunked and brushed all the parts in sterile water. Then washed and rinsed once more in sterile water blew them off with less than 50lb pressured air (had some delicate parts too). Once you blew them off and let them dry in a dry ventilated area. Inspected for debris or sediment, then assembled and tested. Never once did I put power to something that was definitely filled with sediment at one time or another. Rice is generally akin to wicking. You can use those packets in many foods that say do not eat as well. If you want to do it professionally you can purchase bulk portions of desiccants to remove moisture. In the process you often leave residue, debris and sediments to solidify and produce electrical shorts in abundance. It's often much easier to remove parts and clean them rather than attempt to find each individual fault. Having said all that. I understand you can't remove every part, but you can definitely remove any power connection. Wash possibly brush and rinse thoroughly then dry any connection that may have possibly come in contact with the abundance of sediment this seems to have come in contact with. This is a continual problem waiting to happen. It's precisely why many companies call this totaled. They just don't want to deal with the effort. The good part about this procedure is it doesn't have a cost involved, but it does take time.
Why not clear the codes , replace all fuses, put the seats back in it close all the doors/trunk/drunk and see if it will go into drive? I don’t think it will go into drive with anything open. Seems the car might be ok just need to clean contactless and connectors. Water level seems like it was fairly low.
Atleast it was just a almost. Would be bad if he did more sponosred stuff with them after it being a confirmed scam. but then other youtubers dont care and have made a whole video about how its "real"
VCDS is required if you own an Audi and do ANY work yourself. It's not just diagnostic but allows programming as well as real time data as you drive of all modules EXCEPT component protection . Those components are programmed to the VIN so they can only be cleared by a dealer beause they have access to the Audi global database of stolen parts. There's copious documentation of how to use VCDS on the web. A full report only shows errors when they trip and to their degree of severity. And because most modules get certain data from other modules, if one has errors it can cascade down to trip other errors in other modules. The smallest of repairs sometimes show as a huge system breakdown and depending on the importance of the module (i.e. ECM, TCM in traditional cars) it could be catastrophic. A majority of their poke and prod and guessing could easily have been understood via VCDS. And it's clear their Audi helper is not very experienced with VCDS.
The rice solution is pretty well known, it’s one of the best absorbers. These guys are pretty skilled when it comes to salvaging vehicles so I’m pretty confident that they will get there in the end..
I dont know if this applies here but when you work on 48v audi mhev system. In case of malfunction car will disconnect HV relays by itself. There is guided function in ODIS for the relays to connect. I think VCDS is out of its capabilities here.
The 12 volt battery has a contactor. That contactor has to be able to close to energize the HV system. If it doesn’t you won’t be able to “start” the car. Those 12V batteries can’t go below 10V or it’s toast. That battery is on interstellar back order.
As a electrician on boats i can tell you rice is not the solition , you need to wash the inside of the car with fresh water for starters, just use the hose , some of the more sensitive equipment that are salty spray with "saltX" then let it dry for a week , every single connector open it , rinse it in fresh water. Wait to dry, plug back in
I know you guys are just screwing around and love to play dumb. You seem to give the impression everything should be so easy to fix that anyone can do it. Obviously, that's not the case when cars get older or you know dip them in salt water. It would be really cool if you used an oscilloscope and actually hunted down the problems. You could have one module pulling down the CANBUS and that's what is causing the issues. Right to Repair isn't going to go anywhere if no one knows how to use the tools to get the job done.
I find it sad that Rich has replaced his watch with an Apple. I've noticed this in other videos but I was wishing it were a passing fancy. I will mope around the house tomorrow. These are sorry times.
Go buy all the isopropyl alcohol you can find. Use that to clean all the electronics after using water to remove the salt. It will help evaporate the water. The tabs on the floor that don't go anywhere are proximity sensors for the keyfobs.
i'm french and yes étron is a word that means turd but it's not like audi is from a neighbour country and they could just walk over here to ask if the name sounds right or anything 🙃
Chevy E-Ray You know Ford makes that electric crate motor... 281 hp, 317 ftlbs torque... Rich? Rich Rebuilds? Take a Z06, put the M9000 in the front... 951 hp, ftlbs 777 torque... perhaps a 4 kw battery. Show Chevy how to do it...
I love how they're ragging on Lee for wasting paper on a print, and then Rich decides to dump 100 pounds of rice into a car and call it a day.
You can still wash it and eat it though. Theoretically…
@@madern7”FUIYOH” - Uncle Roger
Yes but that’s fixing the car?
@@joshuamarshall3146 Yes... it is known rice fixes all electronics 😁😁
@@Da_one_tl *"HIYAAAAAAA"* - Auntie Helen
In case anyone hasn't said it yet those little metal tabs that look like they go nowhere are used by the factory to check for water leaks during the build process (ironic I know lol) from what I remember being told they have them connected to something and if they come into contact with water then it completes a circuit and they can trace where it is leaking from. Once its passed the test instead of removing them all they just just cut all the ends off and leave them in place since they wont be seen anyway - source, I'm a former Audi tech that was told this by a mastertech and yes this video gives me flashbacks of chasing electrical faults forever which I do not miss! Good luck guys, hope the rice works its magic 🤣
That's a smiley face of death at the end there... oh boy
Yep that’s what they are.
What's the rice method for. I just assumed they dumped rice inside the car for fun. ?
@@bitemyshinnymetalass1569 to dry it out, rice sponges up all the moisture
@@bitemyshinnymetalass1569 its a parody of one of the biggest myths/misconceptions that rice will fix water damage in phones
In my mind, these guys are in the year 2080 trying to restore a rare and valuable car. And to do it, they use a rare ThinkPad made in 2019, with antique software
2019???? More like 2015 lol
Like independence day
Bruh that's VCDS, it runs on my Compaq from 2007 xD
I'm restoring and driving a car with a bigger age difference than that, and it's a breeze. Imagine people doing that with cars of today... no one is going to bother...
You have to use an intel based windows laptop
You can't open the hood to fix a dead battery if the battery is dead. AMAZING.
😂😅😂
Same as the Teslas. doh!
@@5nowChain5 you can open the tow hook area and there wires that if you hook up to a battery or jumper you can unlock the car with the key
@@5nowChain5 Older S have a pull wire under the removable nose cone . There are 2 posts at the front with Gnd and +12V as well.
Ford fusion hybrid similar the battery is in the trunk , so if you can find a place for jumper cable under the hood then you can open the truck
I'm glad the Audi can still maintain their build quality and repairability with the EVs
Learning from BMW and Mercedes
@@xstormhunterxb5s4 enters the chat
Teutonic humor is the best humor.
All those modules moght not be bad - I had a similar problem with my Porsche Cayenne. I shorted out the alternator module and it make it look like all the modules were bad/couldnt talk but it was just alternator module. It was like the alternator module was screaming on the bus and no one else could talk to each other because once I disconnected the bad alternator module all the others started to talk just fine. You can start disconnecting the bad modules a a few at a time and see if the others start to talk and then add them back one by one.
The CAN malfunction is the first thing I noticed. I am wondering what the codes are. If CAN has a malfunction, it probably doesn't know what is going on.
"screaming on the CAN bus"
That's actually a really good analogy
It also sounds like a 60's psychedelic band
Yeah, most of those modules in the red are because of the battery being bad. Typical VW. Change the battery, erase the codes in VCDS and you'll see what happens.
Very smart
maybe the BMS does that since the High Voltage to DC12V Converter is broken - so maybe it even cuts off other modules to avoid getting discharged to 0.
Thank you for giving a shout out to *Ross-Tech* and their wonderful VCDS diagnostic software! Ross-Tech has been serving the VW/Audi community for *over twenty years.* It was amazing to know that the latest version also works with the Audi Etron too!
Indeed and replacement modules can be long coded with vcds but getting the corect coding is going to be pioneering. Certainly allows for customizing the car too.
I actually use OBDEleven lil cheaper than Ross Tech but does pretty much the same thing
I just want to know what the “Use aggressive mode” checkbox does.
@@philb707 But not alls Bits are labeled... but OBD11 has one biiiig benefit -> Can Unlock SFD on cars like this Audi to recode things.
@@mattinthebox24 it ignores the main ECU fault codes and sends seperate requests to all of the small ECUs and keeps prying till it has all and any smal trace of errors.
Use the CRC electrical cleaner on the end connectors. This will be an amazing repair and drive once it's completed
LPS ftw
I miss my old job, they bought contact cleaner by the case.
Idk if it was entirely my fault how much they bought, but i probably wasted a bottle or two a month on fireballs 😆
Yuss.. I thought this video would be full of many many cans of electrical component cleaner. Don't give up guys, I love the suck of it (for you of course!)
This seems a lot less stressful than my Audi ownership experience.
🤣
Replaced my timing chains about a year ago, talk about stressful. Luckily I was able to rent a lift stall for 3 weeks. Worked it when I didnt have to do my real job.
@@garrettparmenter938 was it worth the money saved doing the work yourself? i mean if youre renting out a lift for nearly a month anyway.
dont have an audi, but the maintenance and work on my jetta has been as incredibly joy inducing and positive as most other people here make it sound lol
HAHAHAAAAA!!!!
@@premo8564 it was certainly worth it. Could afford parts and the lift. Not the man hours for a professional to do it. I learned alot. Only cost me about $600 doing it, half parts half stall time. Saw alot of stuff online itd cost $2k+ for a shop. Hated it at the time. Now i get the warm fuzzies as im still driving it daily.
The inspection reminder is based on driven mileage OR time. So the first inspection is due to either driving over 10k km OR after 1 year, whatever comes first. The car prob sat in the salvage lot a few months, thats why its reminding you to go to service after just 2.5k miles
Huh. Then Audi EVs must require a lot more service than the VW ones. My VW ID.3 is only supposed to be serviced every 2 years, and there is no limit on the mileage there. I guess the Audis are driven a lot harder :-D
@@bentmatt They are depending on the car and age of the car. The E-Tron has a basic service interval every 2years or 30k km. However sometimes there are also small services and there is one for 10k km or after 1year when the car is new, after that its the basic 2years. If you don't do the small service after the first year or 10k km, the 2year or 30km is the next one.
@@gLu3xb3rchi interesting. I was also a bit surprised when i saw that there was no mileage limit for the service intervals of the VW ID cars. One of the guys in the ID drivers forum on Facebook drives his ID.3 more than 100kkm per year, so it will be above 200kkm when his car goes to its first service. I wonder if that will be OK 😄
Man, I wish these videos were alot longer. I hate waiting a week for a tiny bit.
Yeah, at least 30 mins would be way better. This leaves you feeling like you just watched half an episode.
They have to research stuff before proceeding with the project.
that's what she said
I was a lot longer but edited out the cursing and long periods of silence while they contemplated putting car in crusher and bad life choices chasing electrical gremlins. LOL
Rich highlighting the faults with a dry erase marker is peak homeless lady from home alone aesthetics 🤣
I hope Rich and Stevon follow through with that rice tease.
I cant wait.
@@taylorfrederick-os9dl Neither can the local homeless when they set up a soup kitchen outside serving that rice to them
@@5nowChain5 It's going to be delicious.
@@5nowChain5 they don't even have to salt the water it's gonna be cooked in
Hey word of advice u might wanna drain ur compressor or water seperator cause that air blower was blowing straight water out lmao 🤣 😂 it looked like a steamer
Best u tube channel for some great laughs
That’s exactly what I said. I actually work on medical air compressors and this thing is full of water
just fill the compressor up with rice
I thought they did that on purpose to dissolve the salt, then blow it away. All in one step instead of spray water first, then wipe up.
I'm SURE they saw the water coming out.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the water getting sprayed all over the car
I live in Quebec, my first language is French, and indeed the word "étron" means turd. When I saw the event where they unveiled the Audi e-tron, I was speechless and burst out laughing like a kid. Germany is right next to France, I'm pretty sure they know what it means, it wasn't an accident. 😂
I wonder if Audi gives the car a different name in France. Still funny though, makes me think of the '60s when GM tried to sell the Chevy Nova in Mexico, and almost nobody bought them. But in Spanish, "no va" is a way of saying "won't go," so people wouldn't buy a car that their friends would make fun of. So they changed the name to Chevrolet Caribe, and they sold plenty of them.
@@netgnostic1627 Am French, they did not change the name of the e-tron line.
same here, I still cannot understand how they made such a mistake.
I'm pretty sure, based on 1st hand experience, that they are up their own arses so much they didn't even consider that it might mean something bad, as long as it sounds öriginal and ëdgy, ah ja?
Just an old guy casual fan of channel with a question about flood cars. I managed a MAACO a long time ago. We had a drive in oven attached to paint booth to speed drying, temp was between 120 and 140. Wonder if it would help dry out car if you put flood car in oven for a bit to let moisture evaporate ? I am guessing it might help dry up areas that would be hard to reach. Curious if it would also dry moisture inside electrical connections.
With plenty of air movement sure
The problem with a salt-water flood is that just drying out the car is not enough - you need to wash out the salt first and _then_ dry it out, otherwise you've got salt on everything which is a recipe for corrosion later. Hopefully modern electrical connections mostly keep the water out, but any that have got wet need a thorough clean to avoid a thoroughly unreliable car in a few years time.
Rice, Classic Rich rebuilds! Love it! but really why not toss a dehumidifier inside the car? I've done it with great results. Wish I had pics or photos to share.
I'd think they need to steam all areas that have salt first so that they can really clean it out with water. Otherwise,dehumidifying it would just remove the water and leave salt.
Just a tip it seems your air compressor tank could use a drain. Seems like residual moisture was coming out the nozzle which usually means your tank may have some water build up. Not 100% sure but pretty sure haha
I'm glad Lee stood his ground and printed the paper. Don't paper shame, Stevon! Lol. It is true though that an awful lot of paper is wasted but I would have printed this one too.
You can recode stuff and run adaptations with VDCS (been using it for years)
I know. I’ve done it on the RS7 and my other VWs. There were some things it couldn’t see on the etron unfortunately but it’s still a great tool
Don’t forget about the cngls. You can re wire that and bolt the emh to the turbo
Yeah, can’t do anything with module marrying though. That has to be all done VIA ODIS. Went to replace my radio with a PQ MIB2 unit from a Tiguan, it was like the old radio code but worse. At least the car drove with it flagged, couldn’t imagine dealing with CP for something like the drive unit.
@@RichRebuilds On these cars you have to deal also with SFD Protected Access. So many moduls are not able to be coded without unlocking. The Small Handy Tool OBD11 is able to unlock the ECUs SFD Protection and then you can work with VCDS to recode them.
99 out of 100 sensors malfunctioning. Amazing car, and that salt inside..
In theory BEVs are more reliable in average than ICEs. The issue it's the trend to have almost an iPad on wheels. All those electronics around the powertrain, will eventually degrade over time. And most Automakers in average only give support for their models around a decade.
8-10 years is the expectation for a battery. They should have a brick countdown clock.
I have used the term cell phones on wheels for a while for this reason. These cars will guaranteed brick according to manufacturer plans when they want more sales. Hell, Tesla has been doing it for how long now? Mind you, that is simply from refusing to repair or source parts, but you get the point.
Yes, designing everything around these locked systems and not user friendly is going to create a wild E waste problem when no one can work on them and the manufacturer costs of repair even if they offer it will be more than the cars are worth in a decade. Such a joke when people say save the environment with these anti environmental designs
@@ducknorris233 batteries are the smallest problem.
Agreed, I wish someone would built a super simple, stripped down EV with analog gauges and no need to connect itself to the internet.
Low voltage on the 12v battery is a pain. I’d swap out the battery with a replacement one just to see if that helps. Better yet, put it on a lithium charger and disconnect the terminals to the car, and check on its health first. Then follow the shorts. Something somewhere is pissed and it’s screwing up the readings everywhere else
From my experience working on a VAG car with a CAN-BUS system - this is a whole thing! The cars are very sensitive to low voltage on the 12v battery and it can cause ghost faults. I would use the solvent methods some others have mentioned (distilled water, isopropyl alcohol, etc) to clean things up. But as long as they have a bad 12v battery in an Audi, they are chasing wild geese.
If I remember correctly the component protection fault is a ghost fault. These things (etron gt) have loads of ghost faults that can clear but come right back. Even with factory scan tool ( Audi tech here)
Here's the ultimate collab opportunity Rich for this rebuild. Contact Diagnosis Dan in the Netherlands. That man is an electric diagnosis legend especially Audi.
"The water level didn't get above here," said Rich. Yeah, that's wrong. That car was in deep water. It's fucked.
the real problem with salt water is it gets inside the wiring if its sat underwater for any real length of time. then over time the wires rot hidden by the insulation its a real long term nightmare
They don't care. Once they get it working enough to drive. It will be sold to some idiot for a nice profit.
@@mikemesec pretty much!
Bro... That's salt water? Getting regular water on electronics is bad, but salt water is like turbo-roid rage corrosion concentrate.
I would pull that emergency disconnect and make sure there's no corrosion. Also, the car needs to be washed with a water/vinegar solution. Yes, you need to douche the car. That will help neutralize the salt and corrosion. 'Yall are in the salt belt, so I suspect you already know this.
Lee, start up VCDS, go into [Options] and select "Bypass DoIP", then [Save]. That should speed things up a bit.
That little sensor, i believe, is a radio sensor for the keyless actions. Such as unlock if the key is in your pocket. That’s why you see them at every door
Good luck with the "rice will fix it" stunt. Rice is a mediocre desiccant at best and being slapped on the carpet in an open car will be worse than useless. All you are doing is making a giant mess and forcing grains into tiny nooks and crannies from which it will be difficult, if not impossible, to fully remove them. Warm (not hot) forced air fans directed into the interior over time would be 100x more effective at removing trapped moisture.
I think it’s a joke.. you know wet electronics and rice.. get it?? Tough crowd, tough crowd.
@@ryanwilkinson571 If so, that's going to be lot of work for that LOL when they try to remove those tiny rice grains that are now embedded into every inaccessible crevice of that interior.
⚠Blinker fluid overflow⚠
6:53 is this an air compressor or a pressure washer?
😂 at least it’s fresh water and not more salt water! Haha
Tavarish I found your videos years ago when I was a teenager just starting high school. I always had a love for cars but never had family that was into it or anything like that. your videos are what showed me determination and your own pursuit of that knowledge is all it takes so I dived head in and bought an 05 S500 that was dumped at the shop I was apprenticing at and have been building cars better since then. I’m currently building a turbo Subaru BRAT if you ever make it to Salt Lake City to see papa Strad don’t be afraid to check out the local car scene ❤️ love you and your work brother I’m glad to see your building your channel in a way that puts you into new experiences and adventures 🤘🏿
Tavarish?
@@originalmianos Aw massive L I watched tavarish’s video on his struggles right now and UA-cam skipped to papa Rich’s video I had qued
@@miltonrose7318 It was possible he had a cameo in the show. :)
Lol I thought this was a hilarious troll at first
I'm not the only one who watched Tavarish just before Uncle Rich! I thought of Rich too since he went through his own issues a few years ago.
100% silica cat litter probably works better than rice. It’s the same thing desiccant packs are made of.
Turning your phone on when it gets wet was like the absolute worst thing to do until you dry it out. These guys have a still dripping wet electric car and their genius trouble shooting idea was to keep turning it on and off and trying to drive it lmao.. I bet it actually would be drivable, had they bothered to open the computer modules and battery case and hit it with a few fans for a day or two to dry it out..
Rich's many children going hungry again so he can rice another car out.
I'm proud of you.
Isn’t this ricing a car *in?*
I've seen enough... LS swap it.
That's boring, Audi V10 or inline 5
Nah, AAN
@@these_go_to_11 Mercedes V12 seems like a more sensible option.
Nah he gotta throw one of those two Jay Zs in there. Peak empire state of mind.
@@vietec Couple that to a snoop dogg box.
I'd pull every control module out and open them up and clean them out with deionized water and/or CRC electrical cleaner and dry them out... then flush the interior/floorpan out with SaltsGone or similar salt treatment to neutralize the salt and dry it out again.
Keep the content coming, this is exactly what we want to see - Rich and Stevon working hard and joking around
@19:35 it is indeed disconnected, the diagram shows the red tab flush with the green body, but yours is popped.
Exactly why no one in France would ever buy this car. It says in its name "shit"
The service loop circuit isn’t just the 1st responders emergency disconnect. That circuit is usually wired in series throughout all the high voltage devices (motors, DC-DC converters, AC compressors…). The low voltage signal is terminated at every high voltage plug, so the contactors will not turn on unless all high voltage wiring is plugged in as well. You probably have hidden corrosion on the circuit somewhere at a connector.
Damn, the amount of moisture on your compressed air is amazing..
Why not put a dehumidifier in the car?
With the doors closed the passenger compartment is almost fully airtight, and you should be able to find a spot around a door edge where you can get a power cord through and still close the door.
You’d need to empty the pan repeatedly but it’ll pull all the moisture out.
Guys I'm starting to think buying an EV flooded in salt water might not have been the brightest idea.. I'm greatfull for the content though. Keep making bad decisions and us entertained, Uncle Rich.
There is another service disconnect in a fuse box behind the rear seats passenger side behind a piece of carpet in the trunk. It's a fuse with a yellow tag (at least it's there in the taycan, probably same position here) maybe check this one as well
Audi vehicles sure are easy to repair for the everyday person
How often do you drain your air tanks. It really shouldn't look so misty when you blow air on surfaces.
You guys have been dealing with these issues for so long and still don't take (particularly) electric parts off to clean them in a distilled solution or at least highly filtered water?
I worked at a electronics return facility and took all the parts apart dunked and brushed all the parts in sterile water. Then washed and rinsed once more in sterile water blew them off with less than 50lb pressured air (had some delicate parts too). Once you blew them off and let them dry in a dry ventilated area. Inspected for debris or sediment, then assembled and tested. Never once did I put power to something that was definitely filled with sediment at one time or another. Rice is generally akin to wicking. You can use those packets in many foods that say do not eat as well. If you want to do it professionally you can purchase bulk portions of desiccants to remove moisture. In the process you often leave residue, debris and sediments to solidify and produce electrical shorts in abundance. It's often much easier to remove parts and clean them rather than attempt to find each individual fault.
Having said all that. I understand you can't remove every part, but you can definitely remove any power connection. Wash possibly brush and rinse thoroughly then dry any connection that may have possibly come in contact with the abundance of sediment this seems to have come in contact with. This is a continual problem waiting to happen. It's precisely why many companies call this totaled. They just don't want to deal with the effort. The good part about this procedure is it doesn't have a cost involved, but it does take time.
The Scottish land bait and switch was beautiful
Stevon complaining about saving a tree, but people forget he literally cut down a tree for the van project...
Woah now…That was a dead tree good sir. Took a lot of time off the drying process 💅
Have you tried to put into drive with all doors closed. It might be a safety feature to not allow the car to go on drive if doors are ajar
I think the door module was awol
Why not clear the codes , replace all fuses, put the seats back in it close all the doors/trunk/drunk and see if it will go into drive? I don’t think it will go into drive with anything open. Seems the car might be ok just need to clean contactless and connectors. Water level seems like it was fairly low.
I loved the almost Established Titles plug 😂😂😂
Atleast it was just a almost. Would be bad if he did more sponosred stuff with them after it being a confirmed scam. but then other youtubers dont care and have made a whole video about how its "real"
There are two green plugs, one at the front and one at the back. if there is no one behind, there is a fuse in the trunk
Nice - Been waiting for an update on this build. Can't wait for the next episode.
VCDS is required if you own an Audi and do ANY work yourself. It's not just diagnostic but allows programming as well as real time data as you drive of all modules EXCEPT component protection . Those components are programmed to the VIN so they can only be cleared by a dealer beause they have access to the Audi global database of stolen parts. There's copious documentation of how to use VCDS on the web. A full report only shows errors when they trip and to their degree of severity. And because most modules get certain data from other modules, if one has errors it can cascade down to trip other errors in other modules. The smallest of repairs sometimes show as a huge system breakdown and depending on the importance of the module (i.e. ECM, TCM in traditional cars) it could be catastrophic. A majority of their poke and prod and guessing could easily have been understood via VCDS. And it's clear their Audi helper is not very experienced with VCDS.
Yes, more back to the roots stuff. I like this kind of content. can't wait how this will turn out. good look!!
Those metal "tabs" are antennas for keyless push to start. HV disconnect also has a fuse in addition to the connector.
You guys probably need to go with a drive belt rather than with a drive shaft :)
7:41 got me there. Though for sure you were about to promote the scam that is established titles lol
Make sure to leave the door open so the magic asians see the offering of rice and they will fix your water damaged electronics overnight.
The rice solution is pretty well known, it’s one of the best absorbers. These guys are pretty skilled when it comes to salvaging vehicles so I’m pretty confident that they will get there in the end..
Rich , I thought you where being silly about the name.😂😂🤣😎Looked it up, French and Belgium Audi Dealers are pissed.😂🇫🇷
I dont know if this applies here but when you work on 48v audi mhev system. In case of malfunction car will disconnect HV relays by itself. There is guided function in ODIS for the relays to connect. I think VCDS is out of its capabilities here.
"She moved on to other things" had me in stiches🤣
The 12 volt battery has a contactor. That contactor has to be able to close to energize the HV system. If it doesn’t you won’t be able to “start” the car. Those 12V batteries can’t go below 10V or it’s toast. That battery is on interstellar back order.
Loving this series. Can't wait to see how you guys bring it back.
As a electrician on boats i can tell you rice is not the solition , you need to wash the inside of the car with fresh water for starters, just use the hose , some of the more sensitive equipment that are salty spray with "saltX" then let it dry for a week , every single connector open it , rinse it in fresh water. Wait to dry, plug back in
Rich you should dry everything first, check every connector if theres no water before powering it on, doing it your way can fry more things
I know it's too late, but mix vinegar in the water and it'll dissolve that salt like no ones biz
Those white cables are the ejection seat handles.
when he mentioned rice at the start, i thought it would be hilarious foreshadowing...
Put some water and heat, salt already added, and that should be some tasty rice.
You MUST submerge the car in rice. It won't work if you just pour a couple bags inside
These are the 2 best friends anyone could have.
The turd teardown is way more interesting than a Hellcat.
As smooth as Paul Harvey with those sponsee ad transitions, Good Day!
You guys have all the fun.
I think you might need more rice
Louis Rosmann died watching the end of the video.
Any alcohol is better to fight corrosion.
Great job on the video guys! Thanks for making it.
A whole printed list of good reasons to just reuse the motor and batteries on the ELECTRIC C4!!!!!!!!
Anyone check the Fetzer valve?
They ran out of gauze pads.
I know you guys are just screwing around and love to play dumb. You seem to give the impression everything should be so easy to fix that anyone can do it. Obviously, that's not the case when cars get older or you know dip them in salt water. It would be really cool if you used an oscilloscope and actually hunted down the problems. You could have one module pulling down the CANBUS and that's what is causing the issues. Right to Repair isn't going to go anywhere if no one knows how to use the tools to get the job done.
EV Fail is redundant. I do sincerely want to thank you guys at this channel for convincing me to never even consider an EV.
How’s it a fail? It was in a saltwater flood 🤡
With all the cleaning going on there for a minute I thought it might be 'Sarah-n-Tuned' . . . . . .
I find it sad that Rich has replaced his watch with an Apple. I've noticed this in other videos but I was wishing it were a passing fancy. I will mope around the house tomorrow. These are sorry times.
Times are hard. 😢
Steven with the speedmaster tho!
Go buy all the isopropyl alcohol you can find. Use that to clean all the electronics after using water to remove the salt. It will help evaporate the water. The tabs on the floor that don't go anywhere are proximity sensors for the keyfobs.
Get a legit rice cooker next Time 🤓☝️🤟👽
Audi literally figured out how to make an electric POS, I'm impressed
That air looks wet drain that compressor
i'm french and yes
étron is a word that means turd
but it's not like audi is from a neighbour country and they could just walk over here to ask if the name sounds right or anything 🙃
Pour le coup ça sonne bien, car ça se dit "I tron", pas "é tron".. d'ailleurs ça s'écrit "etron", pas "étron".
FREE TOP G
Free self-snitcher?
@@brotherfromanother1971 ?
@@brotherfromanother1971 ?
@@flamingkillermc2806 ?
As an asian, I'm triggered by the huge wastage of rice.
Bro y'all are too funny
All the faults happened at 4171 miles in the year 2080, but the odometer says 2600! This car is from the future!
Man I hope you are saving this one. If not you can cobble the electricals into the c4 thought you lost interest to ev it
Chevy E-Ray
You know Ford makes that electric crate motor... 281 hp, 317 ftlbs torque... Rich? Rich Rebuilds? Take a Z06, put the M9000 in the front... 951 hp, ftlbs 777 torque... perhaps a 4 kw battery.
Show Chevy how to do it...