@ryanvacation7319 No. I already had plenty of opportunities to add Suicide Squad to my collection for a massive discount and I still skipped it. I'd do the same for Veilgard.
They hope to target the low information gamers just like how mainstream media targets the unwashed masses. Fortunately, gamers in general are smarter and do more research than the average consumer.
They also curated reviews for this game to try and trick people. By only giving review copies to reviewers who were positive about the game, to schew opinions and hopefully pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Since people are starting to notice patterns regarding low quality games. Still didn't work thankfully.
@@Spring_Forward_Fall_Back So considerate of them, I was able to buy an extra bottle of scotch for Christmas (or Newyear's night)... or to celebrate the failure of the game thanks to the money I saved.
Wow. If I would have known that Bioware said that I would not have purchased the game. I did buy it for Christmas and I played it for like an hour today. It was okay, but anytime a game publisher says that if you don't like it don't buy it shit I skip it.
They won't catch on, they are in the pockets of these developers/publishers/faninciers. All the 'mainstream' journos were paid to say what they said ... as you've surmised, their 'idealogy' aligns, so everything they say is idealogically biased anyway. Shut the door on your way out, Bioware!
I wouldn't say it is that clear-cut. Rather I'd say that, the more they shill a game the more we, as consumers, will distrust its quality. Like, it might be a mechanically sound and perhaps even enjoyable game, but we will not believe that, until we hear it from a source we trust. Such a source might be a trusted peer that bit the bullet and bought the suspect game, or it might be a UA-camr or Twitch Streamer that you like and trust. An example from some years ago, in my own opinion, was Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. Is the story trash and the fact that a lot of the Capcom based characters look kinda crappy when compared to the "new" Marvel approved roster? Yeah. But, mechanically and gameplay-wise? It is an absolute gem. True, I am one of those gamers that played MvC 2 in the arcade machines way back when, and believe that to be the vastly superior game, but I actually liked MvC I better than the first run of MvC 3. Anyways, I went on a tangent.
Can we stop calling them triple A studios? Most of them lost their tripple A status as they aren´t safe anymore for investors, these are former triple A studios
I think triple A have changed meaning the last few years. Now it just tells us that they at average spend $200 millions on a game (yeah, that is the western average cost of a AAA game today). So it might have meant they were a somewhat safe investment 15 years ago but now it only means that they will waste money like there is no tomorrow.
@@loke6664 Nah, didn´t changed meaning over the years, it is still used as measurment for investors how safe a company is to invest and get a return. For common folks who don´t know the connection to it, it is how much a company can spend and how big they are and thats a misconception that needs to be clarified. To much people use words these day and change the definition on the fly to make a point (all the nazi talk if they mean faschists as an example).
When you hire DEI workers that are underskilled but the right colour/pronounce instead of People that knew how to make a game you get a crap game even without the DEI.
If a game were a cake, then DEI could be another ingredient... but it's not a good metaphor because each thing added to the game means less time and fewer resources can be used on other features. So by adding DEI, they aren't only adding activism to the game, they are also lowering the priority for the aspects of the game that actually make it good. That's without even touching on how DEI hiring practices result in poorer-skilled employees, worsening an issue that's already plenty bad on it's own.
European here, from Poland. Screw this woke crap, I'm glad I've passed on this one. They slaughtered my beloved Dragon Age series so I'm happy to see them rotting at the very bottom. I will dance on Bioware grave for this.
Exactly. Just the games pushing woche nonsense - pronoun selections, modern feminism, LGBT degeneracy, race swapping characters, etc. Hope gamers don't buy Witcher 4 or Assassin's Creed Shadows when they launch. CD Projekt Red & Ubisoft are two woche companies that absolutely need to be boycotted.
@@wrongthinker843 Monster Hunter, Baldurs Gate 3, Space Marine 2, Helldivers 2. Four examples I could tell you from the top of my head. If anyone wants to add some to the list, feel free to do so.
@@qq84 ESG money is only covering part of the development cost though and have been running out. Even with it, you still need to sell a few million copies or find yourself a new job. Usually, we are talking about it covering something like 10% of the development cost which still is a lot of money, but nothing that can pay to keep a studio like Bioware running. Veilguard will still have to sell around 5 million full priced copies, slightly less if they are sold on Origins but no one uses that. Anything less and they will have to fire people, ESG money or no ESG money. EA also would probably want some profit, not just get back what they put into the game years ago. It ain't happening, Bioware will likely soon fire half of their employees, at least.
Activism is not supposed to make money. It's supposed to save people and make life better. The sad fact is that they used activism to make money, exaclty the opposite of what you are saying. Instead of investing in good writing and talented staff, they inserted 'activist agenda ' in the worst way possible just to reach the 'modern audience 'and thought it was enough...
@@paStLife463 It seems more like they used activism to loose money then to earn it though. But activism isn't really why they lost, it is the DEI hiring part. If they still could have made games that was fun to play, they could have gotten the normies money but they hired in people for their political opinions, skin colour and sexuality instead of talent so making something fun is just impossible with people like that. They started to believe their own BS a bit too much, you can't replace talent with fanaticism. We should be glad they are so incompetent.
@@kylemendoza8860 Yes, via "investment firms" managing pensions and social security for one. I can confirm for USA, Germany, France, UK and Italy, most likely other EU countries too. Time to decorate some trees with politicians, I'd say.
The only place they can pretend is on forums moderator controlled sites where they have their own mods. Funny how so many appear on any of these games that had LGBTQ, like these blokes all of a sudden come out of the woodwork on Steam to reply to any post you make that says anything negative about the gay shite or trans or pronouns that you didnt like about the game. Theyll live on theses forums replying like they have no life, inciting basically that your not allowed to dislike the game or comment about it, your only supposed to like the game and comment how you like it. Hogwarts Legacy for one with the ugly ass bartender and the old lesbian witch is unnecessary and repulsive, Harry Potter had nothing to do with LGTBQ shite or politics let alone gender nonsense and identifying pronoun stupidity. I swear these forum muppets dont play games much at all, they just hang out and post on the games forums and control as much as possible any negative comments or reviews.
European here. I also avoided this crap but I need to be honest and praise this game at least for one thing: dragon age veilguard proved, without any doubt, how the industry is false and fucked and showed all the influencer/reviewers to be avoided. From this point of view is a blessing, especially for the upcoming games
Oof...to sell worse than Star Wars: Outlaws. EA will definitely be displeased with such numbers. Now I'm waiting to find out how much this turd of game cost to make.
@@JimBobm Sounds about right. Though it would be funnier if it turned out to be like Concord where it cost more to make with a mind-boggling investment.
@@G4kan260 They've become more lenient in recent years, but they will only put up with failure for so long. DICE is also on thin ice with two strikes (Battlefield V, Battlefield 2042). One more screw up and they'll be done for, too.
These developers are losing someone else's money, not their own. Easy to push a message when idiot corporation is willing to keep paying to fund this garbage.
@@CAPCOM784i'm french and i can tell you that : ubisoft will probably saved by the french gouvernement who use taxes (french poeple's money) to save a french corpo from bankrupt......i hate that. I hate how my country tolerate mediocrity and pay for it.
because corporations needs that hight ESG score and thats only thing globalist investors like blackrock cares about.... they will spend trillions in their attempt to undermine our culture and civilization. GOD i hope i will live long enough to see modern day nuremberg trials with these woke traitors.
You do you, I think an industry crash is necessary to make a statement and redo it from the ashes, avoiding the same stuff happens again, game journalism must be gamers not tourists infiltrating the hobby with their activism or ideology (far left nor far left).
On the Grummz bit, I feel it needs to be pointed out that he said not to buy AAA game that "do this" Not to simply avoid all AAA games. There is a difference.
Sadly we won't get another Dragon Age game for another decade after what BioWare just pulled. EA should just sell the IP to Saber Interactive, they'll do a better job.
European here. Back in the day we couldn't wait to get the next dlc for DA:Origins but now I feel I just can't keep far away enough from this abomination and I haven't even bought it.
If everyone was a gamer, I don't think wokism would have had a chance to get its roots so deep everywhere. Gamers, for the most part, seem to reject the religion of wokism. Veilguard is a prime example. Also: Merry Christmas Hyponotic and all fellow gamers!
Do gamers reject wokism because they are gamers, or are people who reject wokism more likely to become gamers than people who embrace it? I like to think some part of it might come from gamers who have played a multiplayer game and quickly realised that being offended by literally anything is only going to make you play worse.
Man it hurts when it’s a studio like BioWare who used to make such great games and I held in such high esteem. I know video games are just a hobby but it pisses me off thinking about this game.
@@greggeiger7532 it's been that way for awhile now. way back when ME 3 released in its original state the writing was on the walls. they haven't been about customers or quality for a hot minute. least back then they cared enough to fix it and admit they were wrong. it just sucks more because they had some hard core gaming candy on their roster.
I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again. Never forget that YOU the customer have all the power. They have none. If you don’t want it reject it. There’s nothing they can do.
Here, Here and the party should get started with Ubisoft declaring bankruptcy. Ubisoft falls the other companies will take notice and pull up PDQ. EA will probably lead that charge and start to realize that they are killing their own company and clean house to stop the cancer.
For me the problem is not the "woke" . Is the fact that they cannot write if their life depends on it . The dialogue in this game is utter garbage , boring , cringe inducing , uninspired .
@@fatetwisted3887 I fully agree with the sentiment. In the end product, a whole bunch of woke stuff can be added, and it would hardly matter if the rest of the game is fantastic. However, you have to remember that they didn't just decide to add Woke to the game; they reallocated time and resources away from making the rest of the game good to instead adding the Woke crap.
I bought Sekiro Shadows today on Steam. They have sales going on and I noticed the Failguard on sale for 38 bucks. I laughed.. There is actually 9500 in the game right now which surprises me.
I could've overlook many thing thay made the game bad. But the moment they said the game won't be including the tapestry i was tapped out. Tbat showed me that the team is incompetent or lazy or both. And cant implement all the choices from the previous games. Eacb of the characters i played had a journey and it's not important enough to acknowledge. They deserve their modern audience, all 7 of them.
It's sad. A lot of money was spent to make another Dragon Age and it could of been a fun game. But they decided to make a therapy session instead. The historical loss from these games pushing the woke BS should be a clear message to companies. Makes fun games, not politics or go out of business.
"they" try to argue that games have always had messages, and these messages are no different. Except they are. Theyve been attempting social engineering experiments for the past decade. Seems the past couple years though, gamers are finally starting to have had enough. Had enough with the forced political messaging, pandering to a fringe minority, hating on the fans who actually care about and want these games to succeed, and had enough with lower quality with heightened pricing, on top of subscriptions and micro transactions, the lies, the bans, Gamers have had it. It's about damn time.
I'm waiting for the day in which this info becomes so irrelevant no one will care anymore and we can move on to new and more exciting stuff.. gaming industry is so dead, and the more dead we can make it the better... our hope is with the good independent creators
When Game Journalists gets free codes and dictates which game gets high praise, if it doesnt appeal to their gender ideology or identity politics or political correctness it will mostly get a low scores. Any games with all those things with DEI trans and inclusivity it gets 9/10 like Veilguard. Trusting journalists who dont like gamers
The videogame crash happened because Atari was pumping out bad games that had nothing but reviews on magazines. With the Internet being so readily available to everyone and gameplay being 3 clicks away no one is wasting their money anymore on bad/uninteresting games.
These clowns wont learn until the company goes under and everyone is unemployed. Woke content and creators should ALWAYS go broke. People are tired of the weirdness & “message”
When the majority of your customers have been asking for a juicy steak, you give them a juicy steam not a soy latte and vegan salad while talking down at them. Any sane person would choose to cater to the majority who actually buys their products but these people continue to chase off the majority while searching for the mythical modern audience. I will not be surprised if BioWare is already in queue for the chopping block like Ubisoft. Also, it is clear that the games interest overlap between the mythical modern audience versus the rest is extremely low judging from the recent failures. Honestly, companies who are planning on releasing games aimed towards the mythical modern audience better be doing some serious introspection if they want to stay in the business.
Uma hora, as empresas, entenderão que nós queremos, apenas, sentar, jogar e se divertir, sem essas coisinhas, que eles insistem em inserir nos jogos. Merry xmas! 🍻
if they had made a new dragon age game that was similar to Origins or maybe a bit like Inquisition with none of the politics of failguard it would have sold really well. Anyone doubting this is just straight up out of touch with how the gaming industry works
I really loved the DA series and was extremely bummed out when I saw the final product. I was planning to play it this christmas holiday. The good thing though since I still had an rpg craving and wanted something to play this winter, I instead got Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader. OMG the fact that I have missed this game all these years, so damn GOOD! And I don't think I'll even have time to remotly finish a first playthrough before work starts again.
Mod can't even save it. even mods let us find a more satisfying way to deal with Preston in fallout 4. If you didn't like the dude, by the power of mod!....well not only the raiders have to die in the museum. And thus you don't hear "another settlement needs your help!"....ever again.
Don't forget that we don't have as much UA-camrs fighting and warning us about WOKE/DEI crap in Europe as USA, the numbers of sales would have been lower otherwise...
The thing is, they can see that game sales are down, they can see WHICH games did and didn’t sell; but their brains cannot figure out WHY they’re not selling
European here. Glad I could do my part by skipping this one. And that's coming from a collector.
Same
If you want to collect it for posterity , you can always get it for a massive discount later.
Collectors
have
standards
- a non collector
@ryanvacation7319 No. I already had plenty of opportunities to add Suicide Squad to my collection for a massive discount and I still skipped it. I'd do the same for Veilgard.
same big skip this tresh
Critics tried to promote it so hard just to find out that they have little power over people
It seems like the whole industry is one giant circle jerk and real gamers are not interested in playing with them
They hope to target the low information gamers just like how mainstream media targets the unwashed masses. Fortunately, gamers in general are smarter and do more research than the average consumer.
They also curated reviews for this game to try and trick people. By only giving review copies to reviewers who were positive about the game, to schew opinions and hopefully pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Since people are starting to notice patterns regarding low quality games. Still didn't work thankfully.
Until the govt mandates you buy it
Chasing after the wind.
European here too. I read Bioware telling me not to buy their game if I didn't like pronouns and other woke shait so I obliged.
I listened to that advice too! They are very wise developers!
It's very effective marketing if you think about it. Sucks for them but saves us time and money. :)
@@Spring_Forward_Fall_Back So considerate of them, I was able to buy an extra bottle of scotch for Christmas (or Newyear's night)... or to celebrate the failure of the game thanks to the money I saved.
Wow. If I would have known that Bioware said that I would not have purchased the game. I did buy it for Christmas and I played it for like an hour today. It was okay, but anytime a game publisher says that if you don't like it don't buy it shit I skip it.
Ahh, so you've become "non-Buynary" too? nice brother.
Journos still havent caught on yet. The more they shill a game, the less we'll buy. The more they hate on a game the more gamers will buy.
I hope they never catch on then.
They couldn't predict anything they haven't learned anything since 2014.
They won't catch on, they are in the pockets of these developers/publishers/faninciers. All the 'mainstream' journos were paid to say what they said ... as you've surmised, their 'idealogy' aligns, so everything they say is idealogically biased anyway. Shut the door on your way out, Bioware!
Today games are basicly promoted by other gamers. And for that a game has to be good. It's that simple.
I wouldn't say it is that clear-cut. Rather I'd say that, the more they shill a game the more we, as consumers, will distrust its quality. Like, it might be a mechanically sound and perhaps even enjoyable game, but we will not believe that, until we hear it from a source we trust. Such a source might be a trusted peer that bit the bullet and bought the suspect game, or it might be a UA-camr or Twitch Streamer that you like and trust.
An example from some years ago, in my own opinion, was Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. Is the story trash and the fact that a lot of the Capcom based characters look kinda crappy when compared to the "new" Marvel approved roster? Yeah.
But, mechanically and gameplay-wise? It is an absolute gem. True, I am one of those gamers that played MvC 2 in the arcade machines way back when, and believe that to be the vastly superior game, but I actually liked MvC I better than the first run of MvC 3.
Anyways, I went on a tangent.
Gamers don't want to be lectured on gender politics while playing a game
Who the hell wants to play a game with characters who need to be medicated.
Exactly, it's not our fault they chose to make their gender a political landscape instead of a personal endeavor that they find themselves in.
it was not meant for us. it is for the kids. they want the kids to see their kind in a positive light, making the kids easier to convert/prey on.
@ywsx6489 the game is rated M for Mature. It's not geared for kids. The game is bad enough you don't need to make stuff up for it to get bashed on. 😂
I don't want to be lectured on gender politics at any time ever.
Low sales? No way! How's that even possible!
im surprised they even sold anything 🤣
Can we stop calling them triple A studios? Most of them lost their tripple A status as they aren´t safe anymore for investors, these are former triple A studios
They lost that title when they made veterans leave and replaced them with dei hires that hired their " friends "
Let's call them AAAA Studios. ala SHIT.
I think triple A have changed meaning the last few years. Now it just tells us that they at average spend $200 millions on a game (yeah, that is the western average cost of a AAA game today). So it might have meant they were a somewhat safe investment 15 years ago but now it only means that they will waste money like there is no tomorrow.
@@loke6664 Nah, didn´t changed meaning over the years, it is still used as measurment for investors how safe a company is to invest and get a return. For common folks who don´t know the connection to it, it is how much a company can spend and how big they are and thats a misconception that needs to be clarified. To much people use words these day and change the definition on the fly to make a point (all the nazi talk if they mean faschists as an example).
Maybe we call them Cripple A studios instead?
The thing about Dragon Age Failguard is that even if they took the DEI out of it, it would still suck.
yeah the DEI only makes a bad game worse
When you hire DEI workers that are underskilled but the right colour/pronounce instead of People that knew how to make a game you get a crap game even without the DEI.
If a game were a cake, then DEI could be another ingredient... but it's not a good metaphor because each thing added to the game means less time and fewer resources can be used on other features. So by adding DEI, they aren't only adding activism to the game, they are also lowering the priority for the aspects of the game that actually make it good.
That's without even touching on how DEI hiring practices result in poorer-skilled employees, worsening an issue that's already plenty bad on it's own.
Yes, DEI hires have no skill.
I appreciate the AAA Industry going to such lengths to save us all money during these trying times.
They ❤ us!
Lets say the western AAA industry. Eastern ones mostly are still great.
Nah, eastern studio will be the next western studio. Square Enix and Bandai Namco already infected by DEI
most underrated comment.
I also appreciate their reminding me of the backlog of games I already have and should work on.
European here, from Poland. Screw this woke crap, I'm glad I've passed on this one. They slaughtered my beloved Dragon Age series so I'm happy to see them rotting at the very bottom. I will dance on Bioware grave for this.
Wow..
Me too, can't wait for the studio to get shut down 😂😂😂😂
Grumz's post said "Boycott all AAA games THAT DO THIS". He clearly specified that, he never said boycott all AAA games.
Exactly. Just the games pushing woche nonsense - pronoun selections, modern feminism, LGBT degeneracy, race swapping characters, etc. Hope gamers don't buy Witcher 4 or Assassin's Creed Shadows when they launch. CD Projekt Red & Ubisoft are two woche companies that absolutely need to be boycotted.
I was just going to say this. I think he misunderstood the post.
This.
Then again, which ones don't?
@@wrongthinker843 Monster Hunter, Baldurs Gate 3, Space Marine 2, Helldivers 2. Four examples I could tell you from the top of my head. If anyone wants to add some to the list, feel free to do so.
I will never play any of those weirdo games not even free.
Right? Not even worth pirating...
I ain't touching these garbage even if they pay me lol
I loved Dragon Age series in the past, but didn't buy Veilguard because it looked nothing like Dragon Age.
Right on!
Never buy a game that looks like it's trying to trick you into buying it!
"Made by the same studio!"
Yes,but not the same people!😡
Terrible qunari design
But it looks like a Drag on Age
Drag Rage: Maggotguard, you know what to replace the “M” with.
Same. It looked like a game made by redditors for redditors. Glad I avoided this dumpster fire.
What?! How is this possible??! Time magazine said it was GOTY
lmao
A local second hand game shop near me has completely refused accepting veilguard and outlaws it as they know they are hated
They forget that money pays the bills. Not activism lmao
Nah, they hate capitalism (and often say so) so it is not so much that they have forgotten as them being delusional and refusing to understand it.
Unfortunately ESG money / thirty pieces of silver also pay bills.
@@qq84 ESG money is only covering part of the development cost though and have been running out. Even with it, you still need to sell a few million copies or find yourself a new job.
Usually, we are talking about it covering something like 10% of the development cost which still is a lot of money, but nothing that can pay to keep a studio like Bioware running.
Veilguard will still have to sell around 5 million full priced copies, slightly less if they are sold on Origins but no one uses that.
Anything less and they will have to fire people, ESG money or no ESG money. EA also would probably want some profit, not just get back what they put into the game years ago.
It ain't happening, Bioware will likely soon fire half of their employees, at least.
Activism is not supposed to make money. It's supposed to save people and make life better. The sad fact is that they used activism to make money, exaclty the opposite of what you are saying. Instead of investing in good writing and talented staff, they inserted 'activist agenda ' in the worst way possible just to reach the 'modern audience 'and thought it was enough...
@@paStLife463 It seems more like they used activism to loose money then to earn it though.
But activism isn't really why they lost, it is the DEI hiring part.
If they still could have made games that was fun to play, they could have gotten the normies money but they hired in people for their political opinions, skin colour and sexuality instead of talent so making something fun is just impossible with people like that.
They started to believe their own BS a bit too much, you can't replace talent with fanaticism.
We should be glad they are so incompetent.
GET *WOKE*
GO *BROKE*
Rip and tear until it is done!
I honestly don't even believe this is true anymore. I think they're getting funded somehow.
@@kylemendoza8860 Yes, via "investment firms" managing pensions and social security for one. I can confirm for USA, Germany, France, UK and Italy, most likely other EU countries too.
Time to decorate some trees with politicians, I'd say.
@@wrongthinker843 You mean that obnoxious darkly coloured "rock" right
If you want to charge £70+ for a game I need to be enticed not alienated and hated on.
Well said
Will the industry learn anything about the importance of only hiring suitable people?
Probably won't
no they wont. Avowed will be the next dragon age Failguard.
Game bloggers are completely irrelevant. Gamers are not falling for it. We do not buy games based on google search results. We are not stupid.
Marxists need to take their social engineering propaganda and shove it. Gamers are so much smarter and more independent than these wokies dreamed.
Yeah that golden age as passed
The people in the Steam Discussions are in total toxic positivity mode and are in denial on how much it failed.
Everyone there is positive is because everyone else who doesn't think the game is 10/10 is getting banned
@@jorelplay8738 this reminds me that IGN have this game a 9/10 before walking it back.
@@jorelplay8738 Yeah i'd imagine that's exactly what's going on.
The only place they can pretend is on forums moderator controlled sites where they have their own mods. Funny how so many appear on any of these games that had LGBTQ, like these blokes all of a sudden come out of the woodwork on Steam to reply to any post you make that says anything negative about the gay shite or trans or pronouns that you didnt like about the game. Theyll live on theses forums replying like they have no life, inciting basically that your not allowed to dislike the game or comment about it, your only supposed to like the game and comment how you like it. Hogwarts Legacy for one with the ugly ass bartender and the old lesbian witch is unnecessary and repulsive, Harry Potter had nothing to do with LGTBQ shite or politics let alone gender nonsense and identifying pronoun stupidity. I swear these forum muppets dont play games much at all, they just hang out and post on the games forums and control as much as possible any negative comments or reviews.
Got permanently banned from the steam forum by BioWare. Steam confirmed it. They really can’t handle any criticism.
Proud of my fellow Europeans.
Bröther 😎
Bruder
Hermano!
They got what they hired. No sympathy
European here. I also avoided this crap but I need to be honest and praise this game at least for one thing: dragon age veilguard proved, without any doubt, how the industry is false and fucked and showed all the influencer/reviewers to be avoided. From this point of view is a blessing, especially for the upcoming games
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"
Apparently many times. Old man doesn't understand that activism doesn't pay the bills.
Time Magazine is sure to give it Game of the Decade now! 🤣
Yeah, they love swimming in their own shit.
time magazine and others arent fit to wipe someones ass
Intergalactic is going to be hard to beat though...🤔
Grummz corrected it later specifying AAA woke infected games
Oof...to sell worse than Star Wars: Outlaws. EA will definitely be displeased with such numbers. Now I'm waiting to find out how much this turd of game cost to make.
I heard it was 250 million.
@@JimBobm Sounds about right. Though it would be funnier if it turned out to be like Concord where it cost more to make with a mind-boggling investment.
In the months to come EA might finally put down Bioware. Crazy in the past EA would shutdown other studios for less.
@@G4kan260 They've become more lenient in recent years, but they will only put up with failure for so long. DICE is also on thin ice with two strikes (Battlefield V, Battlefield 2042). One more screw up and they'll be done for, too.
@@keenansullivan2380 Bioware on that same path due to mass effect Andromeda, Anthem and dragon age being flops.
Ooh there are no modern audiences in Europe? So imagine the rest of the world?
Europe is full of Islamic people. They don't like lgbtq woke agenda
China and Japan certainly don't have them!
South east Asian here... No modern audience visible here neither. We gamers are much more diverse than these weirdos think .
Corinne Busche murdered dragon age and robbed its legacy he then created the vile that replace what made dragon age great.
These developers are losing someone else's money, not their own. Easy to push a message when idiot corporation is willing to keep paying to fund this garbage.
Eventually, someone will start losing 💰 and that gravy train will be gone.
@@CAPCOM784i'm french and i can tell you that : ubisoft will probably saved by the french gouvernement who use taxes (french poeple's money) to save a french corpo from bankrupt......i hate that. I hate how my country tolerate mediocrity and pay for it.
@@CAPCOM784 Don't worry, the government is using "investment firms" to funnel tax money into it.
because corporations needs that hight ESG score and thats only thing globalist investors like blackrock cares about.... they will spend trillions in their attempt to undermine our culture and civilization. GOD i hope i will live long enough to see modern day nuremberg trials with these woke traitors.
You do you, I think an industry crash is necessary to make a statement and redo it from the ashes, avoiding the same stuff happens again, game journalism must be gamers not tourists infiltrating the hobby with their activism or ideology (far left nor far left).
I'm still waiting for Bioware to completely close down the company.
Glad i could help by not buying this slop
Defenders of Veilguard are like "Um excuse me it's wasn't a failure it's genius is misunderstood"
BioWare and their shills were more concerned about the message than their OG fanbase.
The fact that a game from EA sold worse than a game from Ubisoft is wild
EA and Ubisoft's race to the bottom of the barrel.
On the Grummz bit, I feel it needs to be pointed out that he said not to buy AAA game that "do this" Not to simply avoid all AAA games. There is a difference.
I fully understand. But thats now what the initial tweet says. Hence why people can get confused.
BioWare’s lesson will be that they didn’t pander hard enough to the right people.
Sadly we won't get another Dragon Age game for another decade after what BioWare just pulled. EA should just sell the IP to Saber Interactive, they'll do a better job.
Scandinavian here, found a physical copy of Veilguard in the trash 2 weeks ago. Seems about right.
European here. Back in the day we couldn't wait to get the next dlc for DA:Origins but now I feel I just can't keep far away enough from this abomination and I haven't even bought it.
If everyone was a gamer, I don't think wokism would have had a chance to get its roots so deep everywhere. Gamers, for the most part, seem to reject the religion of wokism. Veilguard is a prime example.
Also:
Merry Christmas Hyponotic and all fellow gamers!
Do gamers reject wokism because they are gamers, or are people who reject wokism more likely to become gamers than people who embrace it?
I like to think some part of it might come from gamers who have played a multiplayer game and quickly realised that being offended by literally anything is only going to make you play worse.
I called it sometime ago they were lying about their numbers.
Game companies have saved me SOOOO much money by giving me more and more reasons to not buy their games.
Guess the modern audience didnt like it either 😅
It never existed in the first place
Man it hurts when it’s a studio like BioWare who used to make such great games and I held in such high esteem. I know video games are just a hobby but it pisses me off thinking about this game.
Same. I'm from Canada, and before EA bought them, Bioware was something we had to be proud about.
@@greggeiger7532 it's been that way for awhile now. way back when ME 3 released in its original state the writing was on the walls. they haven't been about customers or quality for a hot minute. least back then they cared enough to fix it and admit they were wrong. it just sucks more because they had some hard core gaming candy on their roster.
If you don't get mad or annoyed when people mess with your hobby, is it even a hobby? I think you're fully justified to feel hurt.
Telling investors to pay to see the numbers is a trap. Video game player sales matter for video games. Corporate sales are nothing.
I’ll say it before and I’ll say it again. Never forget that YOU the customer have all the power. They have none. If you don’t want it reject it. There’s nothing they can do.
merry Christmas hypno! 2025 going to be lit
Here, Here and the party should get started with Ubisoft declaring bankruptcy. Ubisoft falls the other companies will take notice and pull up PDQ. EA will probably lead that charge and start to realize that they are killing their own company and clean house to stop the cancer.
its look like many people identify themselves as "nonbuynary"
DAO and DAI sold better this year than The Veilguard. And they are like.... at least 10 years old. That says a lot. 😅
I live in Europe. Glad I did my part by skipping this game. Bought Stalker 2 instead and having a blast.
And here I was thinking EA really likes money. Guess I stand corrected 🤣
Let's not forget that the Dragon Age series, and Bioware on the whole, have been woke for more than a decade. This is nothing new for them.
Doesn't explain the terrible writing change from inquisition to veilguard
@@dranzerjetli5126 intentional cultural attack
For me the problem is not the "woke" . Is the fact that they cannot write if their life depends on it . The dialogue in this game is utter garbage , boring , cringe inducing , uninspired .
@@fatetwisted3887 Wokeness and general craptitude tend to coincide
@@fatetwisted3887 I fully agree with the sentiment. In the end product, a whole bunch of woke stuff can be added, and it would hardly matter if the rest of the game is fantastic.
However, you have to remember that they didn't just decide to add Woke to the game; they reallocated time and resources away from making the rest of the game good to instead adding the Woke crap.
If they want it to burn then let it burn!
I bought Sekiro Shadows today on Steam. They have sales going on and I noticed the Failguard on sale for 38 bucks. I laughed.. There is actually 9500 in the game right now which surprises me.
9500 - 50% when they get to the pronouns cutscene 🤣
Hey Europe here (Germany)!
I proudly participated in not buying the Game!
😁😁😁
Richtig so
FailGuard...Go Woke Go Broke...
"This game has it' s heart in the left place and despises gamers. 10/10!"
And yet the guy who directed Veilguard is still employed. They need to fire his ass for failing so spectacularly
GTA 5 sold more copies than Star Wars and Dragon Age in Europe.
And even that is just ported as much as Street Fighter II.
Veilguard sold terrible,but yet it made game of year at time magazine? I smell BS people.
P.S. Merry Christmas everyone.
They are racing downwards and still wouldn't stop even after they went past h311 and australia
I could've overlook many thing thay made the game bad. But the moment they said the game won't be including the tapestry i was tapped out. Tbat showed me that the team is incompetent or lazy or both. And cant implement all the choices from the previous games. Eacb of the characters i played had a journey and it's not important enough to acknowledge. They deserve their modern audience, all 7 of them.
It's sad. A lot of money was spent to make another Dragon Age and it could of been a fun game.
But they decided to make a therapy session instead.
The historical loss from these games pushing the woke BS should be a clear message to companies. Makes fun games, not politics or go out of business.
"they" try to argue that games have always had messages, and these messages are no different. Except they are.
Theyve been attempting social engineering experiments for the past decade. Seems the past couple years though, gamers are finally starting to have had enough.
Had enough with the forced political messaging, pandering to a fringe minority, hating on the fans who actually care about and want these games to succeed, and had enough with lower quality with heightened pricing, on top of subscriptions and micro transactions, the lies, the bans,
Gamers have had it.
It's about damn time.
Best Xmas news!!!!
They coasted off the dragonage name alone and betrayed everyone's trust in the series. It is unlikely there will be another dragon age after this one.
SteamDB Charts show a very fast decline since its release
I'm waiting for the day in which this info becomes so irrelevant no one will care anymore and we can move on to new and more exciting stuff..
gaming industry is so dead, and the more dead we can make it the better... our hope is with the good independent creators
Merry xmas Hypnotic love your work man.
We Europeans are still based, cheers
Cheers 🍻
Just like how Corrine failed to become a woman, this failed to pass off as a Dragon Age game 😂
Grummz said "to NOT buy AAA titles THAT DO THIS.", i.e., woke stuff... he didn't say all AAA games...
Marky Mark Kern is another terminally online guy who should really just focus on his video game project.
Can we have a new award? The anti-marketing campaign award for the dev/producer that chases away the most potential customers? :)
When Game Journalists gets free codes and dictates which game gets high praise, if it doesnt appeal to their gender ideology or identity politics or political correctness it will mostly get a low scores. Any games with all those things with DEI trans and inclusivity it gets 9/10 like Veilguard. Trusting journalists who dont like gamers
The videogame crash happened because Atari was pumping out bad games that had nothing but reviews on magazines.
With the Internet being so readily available to everyone and gameplay being 3 clicks away no one is wasting their money anymore on bad/uninteresting games.
A lot of gamers identified themselves as non-buy-nary
Veilguard might not even cross 10 million sales in its entire lifetime sales.
These clowns wont learn until the company goes under and everyone is unemployed. Woke content and creators should ALWAYS go broke. People are tired of the weirdness & “message”
Another European here. Yea, I was never gonna interesting into garbage. Glad its slowly taking itself out.
And yet it got multiple game of the year nominations. What a joke of a game.
When the majority of your customers have been asking for a juicy steak, you give them a juicy steam not a soy latte and vegan salad while talking down at them. Any sane person would choose to cater to the majority who actually buys their products but these people continue to chase off the majority while searching for the mythical modern audience. I will not be surprised if BioWare is already in queue for the chopping block like Ubisoft. Also, it is clear that the games interest overlap between the mythical modern audience versus the rest is extremely low judging from the recent failures. Honestly, companies who are planning on releasing games aimed towards the mythical modern audience better be doing some serious introspection if they want to stay in the business.
Capitalism will be served cold.
OMG!
Even as DEI failures go,Veil guard is the worst!🤣
Grummz didn't say to not buy all AAA games. He said don't buy games "that do this," referring to the woke shit.
Uma hora, as empresas, entenderão que nós queremos, apenas, sentar, jogar e se divertir, sem essas coisinhas, que eles insistem em inserir nos jogos. Merry xmas! 🍻
Europe didn’t want to buy the Californian Fantasy
It's so much FUN, to NOT buy this stuff for a single cent! 🤣
if they had made a new dragon age game that was similar to Origins or maybe a bit like Inquisition with none of the politics of failguard it would have sold really well. Anyone doubting this is just straight up out of touch with how the gaming industry works
I really loved the DA series and was extremely bummed out when I saw the final product. I was planning to play it this christmas holiday. The good thing though since I still had an rpg craving and wanted something to play this winter, I instead got Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader. OMG the fact that I have missed this game all these years, so damn GOOD! And I don't think I'll even have time to remotly finish a first playthrough before work starts again.
Wow, I had no idea how many people identified as Non-buy-nary!
At this point I almost feel bad for this terrible game, I want to show mercy and let it peacefully fade away.
Mod can't even save it. even mods let us find a more satisfying way to deal with Preston in fallout 4. If you didn't like the dude, by the power of mod!....well not only the raiders have to die in the museum. And thus you don't hear "another settlement needs your help!"....ever again.
*You don't have to give money to people who despise you*
I play Dragon Age to fight dragons and demons n shit. Not get lectured on gender politics.
Merry Xmas Hypno!
Glad we did our part voting with our wallets. Hopefully the industry opens their eyes.
Don't forget that we don't have as much UA-camrs fighting and warning us about WOKE/DEI crap in Europe as USA, the numbers of sales would have been lower otherwise...
No way... This TIME's magazine 2024 Game of the Year was a failure and did not sell well? "shocked Pikachu face"
The thing is, they can see that game sales are down, they can see WHICH games did and didn’t sell; but their brains cannot figure out WHY they’re not selling
I would like to see some actual numbers.