Everything WRONG with TOPSPIN 2k25 (2 Months Later Review)
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Let's talk about all the issues plaguing Topspin 2k25. Lack of tennis depth in the gameplay? Check.
Useless slice and topspin? Yep!
Wide serve spam in every match? You got it!
Oh and let's not forget about "power" stat being the holy grail of every viable build.
We will talk about all of that and then some!
I cannot recommend Topspin 2k25 due to every match looking the same and the game being poor product for 2024 standards.
There are also abusive gameplay mechanics in the game, which haven't been fixed for 2 months since the release.
But hey, if you still want to buy the game, here is the link to store page:
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Video Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:34 The Positives
03:02 Issues With Topspin 2k25 Gameplay
04:52 Lack of Depth
07:30 The Problem with "Power"
08:37 "Wide Serve" Meta
11:04 Topspin 2k25 Game Modes
12:12 Slow Career Grind & Monetization
14:05 Lack of Licensed Players
14:57 Overpriced Cosmetics
15:47 Poor Graphics
16:39 Summary & Other Games Recommendations - Ігри
100% agree . Gameplay gets boring. Everyone is playing the same style. Never played again a Serve & Volley Player.....
I've been messing with Serve & Volley recently, and it's been fun! A nice change of pace, though hard to pull off consistently (at least for me).
I've played against one, and it was a really fun match up. And then it was back against the power players again 😔
You’re also a part of the problem since you play like everyone else just play serve and volley yourself and you’ll enjoy it much more
I am an old man, I do play serve-and-volley. Works best with Sampras, if you get the first volley right.
The wide servers are what completely ruined it for me, im sticking to offline games now.
I loved topspin 4, actually only stoppes playing it on xbox when 2k25 was released. At first I thought yes they have got this right and I was going to be happy but I was wrong.
I agree with everthing you said. I loved the ability to play defensively in topspin4 and have the chance to beat the power hitters through excellent timing and tactical shots. 2k25 has taken this away, particularly with Sharapova, Williams and now even Sinner. Power attribute is overly rated and it is simply not possible to beat an average or above average player who just play power with any of these characters and this combined with the out wide serve from hell is just unplayable 95% of the time. I eventually just stopped trying online and leave the matches if these are my opponents.
Secondly another problem is Agassi, the slow short angled shots are not played in real tennis and if they were the opponent would just blast them away down the line for a winner.... but guess what even with the overrated power in this game it suddenly fails to work in this scenario and Agassi just hits another slow short angle to the other side or he blasts one down the line powerfully even though he has no power.....😂 so frustrating.
Lastly i'd say I'm a pretty good topspin 4 and 5 player and I only really lose to those power characters or much better gamers, but I am convinced theres hacking/cheating and boosting in this game! Players can run faster and hit shots that I just cannot hit and I have been playing the gameplay since 2008, its definitely not me - Im a decent player and some of these players shots are just not possible with the attributes they have.
It almost feels like theres some sort bug/boost/hack where ypur opponent boosts their attributes and nulls yours, everything gets a little worse, less width, less power and more mistakes.
I hate it now and will probably go back to my Jankovic, Roddick and Serena matches on topspin4 😂
Thanks for the video.
Yes players use boost, i lose sometimes VS players with 30 stats everywhere, and im around 55 everywhere, and i cant do anything.. . . .
Completely agree. This should be a must to watch before buying the game
I completely agree, at first the gameplay was fun but it’s gotten boring very fast. The wide serving on every point as you mentioned is extremely frustrating especially when standing in a good position to take on the wide serve. Seeing people full power shot down the line over the high part of the net after a cross court low slice is hilarious. A lot of things don’t make sense, I know they said they are working on the wide serves but for it to not be addressed in the first major patch was extremely disappointing.
Slice is pretty much the only way I can effectively return the wide serve. It doesn't always work but it gives me a chance to get into the point. I like mixing up my serves, been having alot of success with kick serves tbh. I think everyone is expecting wide slice so it catches a few players out.
Great video that outwide serving and serving in general is ridiculous ....why mess up a good thing ....Topspin4 was just perfect !!!!!
The game is fun at first, but it gets old super fast. It doesn't have enough depth to keep you engaged for more than a week or so.
Agree.I was a topspin 4 fan and was excited for this but got bored after 2 weeks.Haven't looked at it since.
Wide serve abuse is so lame in this game, people would rather win so bad than have a good match, people are strange.
Are we sure people don't cheat in the game?! I've had people quit on me in a ranked match and I don't get the win but if I quit a match then it counts as a loss
Happened to me several times, 'xyz left the match' - ' game set and match xyz' 😮
I echo the same feelings. I am sure the people who adore TopSpin gameplay are the people who don't watch a lot of tennis and who don't play Tennis regularly. Full Ace Tennis Simulator and Tennis Elbow 4 are the best so far. TieBreak looks promising but still a lot of work left to make it feel lot more realistic.
Amazing video my boi! Love your content and editing!
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love your tennis videos. i agree with you, imagine in 2024 2k can't make the ball bounce differently on clay and grass surfaces!!!
You can face a player with 30 stats, and he plays like a 80 stats and beat you easy.. Very STRANGE, i think already a lot of cheater use a BOOST
Only good thing is Topspin are animations.
Everything you said 👍🏾. I will add that slice shot doesn’t have that outside curve to it on either forehead and backhand side. However, the poison slice skill set has worked for me at times.
Still, I’m disappointed in the title. Spent way to much money on this💸💸💸😞. Now I’m waiting for Tiebreak Tennis to save me. Man if Tennis elbow had better graphics, 2k probably would not have bothered with this game. Money pit 🎾⤵️🕳️
Tennis Elbow with proper funding would be a dream!
at 8:10 in the video you can see an example of bad gameplay. that should clearly be a winner but for some magic reason the opponent can run like sonic
great review...since this review, the latest patch finally addressed some things well. THE FIRST one that actually improved gameplay and what you're talking about. It's a decent playing game now, don't you think?
THEY NEED TO ADD GAME MODES like tournaments, etc. It's pathetic...all I play is occasional exhibition matches or the my career....online was a joke, like you said...not sure if it has improved any.
I've been playing Smash Court Tennis 3 on the PSP recently and it's insane how a game made in 2007 has better animations and more varied styles than this game 😂
When tiebreak comes out on console full game I’d love to see a comparison video TB and 2k with your opinion on the matter you seem an experts more than I ever be 😂 bought 2k and got a bit tired as everyone online use the same players, not sure if TB is worth it but at least they have the players 😂
I will defo do a comparison video between TS and TB when TB is fully released! Something tells me, though, that TB will be delayed, but that's just a hunch.
I love and hate this game.
You play an awesome approach shot. You follow into net, and by rights your volley into the open court should be assured, as it would be in life. But no! The 2K committee decided your first volley actually goes within reach of your opponent! But wait theres more! They now play a shot that is virtually impossible. Somehow passing you with a crazy angle, EVEN THOUGH you read it right and moved in thst direction. No! You didn't reach the ball. You lose. Sorry! Gotchya. You thought you were gonna break serve? Aha! Denied.
70 winners and 1 unforced error in my last matcht of 13 games total, this is a sci-fi game not a tennis game, too much unrealistic
Gotta thank 2K for the free trial because if I wanted to get the game now I'll probably wait and get it when TB comes out. Yes there's things done well but at the moment it feels super unbalanced and ball physics are off. Plus content is a joke. I'll eventually get it but they managed to kill my hype I had since this game was announced
As someone who recreationally plays tennis for over a decade, this feels nothing like tennis. Tennis elbow has much more of the game's essence in it's few GBs if even that much.
Well i agree with you this game is lack of content, and i agree the licensed player is a joke and the career mode is boring, but the gameplay is good.
First of all i have in the 2k tour 150 wins and and around 20 loses...
It is true that people use the wide serve meta, but i beat those kind of player too.... I agree that if you guess the direction of the serve, your shot should be more precise and strong, but it is possible to beat them.
Second, not all of them, including me playing only with flat power shot, actually, control shots are more effective if you use them correctly.
Also it's difficult to return good ball from the feet and it is matter where you stand to take a shot.
Taking the ball early also have an advantage.
Plus they fixed the world tour, you won't play against 30 level anymore if you are 2, maximum 10 level above you.
But i do agree that the game needs more updates and frequently.
But it's definitely the best tennis game right now ( i use console so I don't have tennis elbow or the other one).
Tiebreak is a game that we should put an eye on.
Good info
Nice sober view of the state of tennis sims currently. The only thing I think the video gets wrong is it is ENTIRELY focused on online play but that's not every player's focus. It's NEVER mine. If the offline game is really good, then maybe I'll try the online. Feels like we are reviewing in reverse by going straight to ALL the online problems. I do have MAJOR gripes but this is 100% a step in the right direction. It's really crappy it takes a decade to get the slightest improvements in tennis sims but hey, it's more than we've had for a LONG time. I'm also console only so AO2 was good but just didn't feel quite right. This feels more like the Topspin of old, & Topspin 4 was & maybe is still the GOAT but it had a lot of issues people tend not to remember in both online and off...
I agreed. People need to know the learning curve of topspin. Its a bit harder than others, but when learned, its very enjoyable. I disagreed with some of the reviews above. It doesnt reflect the real capability of topspin.
Enjoy all your videos. You put a lot of time into them. I was so pumped for Topspin and preordered it. I stopped playing after a week. I'm a huge tennis fan and play tennis myself. I can't put my finger on it but the gameplay was not fun for me at all. The developers cut so many corners on this game. Player models and roster are a joke. Sampras and Alcaraz look terrible.
Thank you kindly! I'm doing my best to produce as good content as I can!
Player models are bad indeed 😬
Absolutely agree.
I loved the Top Spin series but i just couldnt bring myself to buy 2k25, Such little content for such little content and a game stuck in 2014 not 2024. The problem Topspin has is its fans will defend it to the hilt and think everything is amazing. The series cannot get better with these kind of fans.
I agree in everything said here, i was at day one of release very dissapointed...
Totally agree. Very boring. Full ace and tennis elbow cannot even be compared in terms of gameplay, they are far ahead.
This is my first ever tennis game and to be honest I really like it. Of course the meta tactics such as wide serving can be annoying but for me I can easily counter it (fully dependent on perfect timing).
Speaking on the Career mode:
It’s horribly made a the energy system is a horrible design choice. For example I could start in the ATP Finals in December with 100% energy and by the end of the first match I’d have 70-80% stamina and by the end of the group stage I’d have 30% risking injury (happens when you are 35% and below).
Basically it’s impossible to play ‘real tennis’ mode or ‘topspin’ mode because they are too long and EVEN when I did ‘short set’ I sometimes found myself losing 25% a game. Yes I upped stamina but it really doesn’t matter.
Also the wide service meta is used by the ai to somewhat of an effect as if I’m playing someone like sinner for example, who has a great serve attribute, it’s almost impossible to win that point if his serve is correct (which from hard difficulty up which is what I play on is 60% of the time)
Finally the only takeaway I have from Topspin2k25 is that the ‘Topspin Academy’ is actually very informative and good at teaching playstyles, the devs vision was to definitely make this game tactical but instead the usual 2k money grabbers decided 50-80 pounds wasn’t enough.
Shambles but it’s the only tennis game I’ve played in a hot minute so I guess it’s in the same boat at the situation with EAFC
I agree 100 percent!
Love your opinion on basically everything cause this game is a typical cash grab, now im praying with everything i have that Tiebreak fixes its issues and becomes even better than it is now
1 million percent agree
Well now I must ask what your opinion on Top Spin 4 is/was. Just to get my thoughts right before buying the last installment of the series.
Right, that's actually an excellent question to gauge how similar our tastes in tennis games are.
For me, the TS games have an arcade-ish take on tennis and were never my favorite approach in terms of being an actual tennis sim.
If you loved the gameplay of TS4 and want to scratch that particular itch, TS 2k25 will probably do it for you.
Though, TS 2k25 doesn't do anything better than TS4 did.
I think the gameplay was better in TS4. I liked how there was no timing bar, as it made the game more challenging in a good way.
TS4 was also a better product without the nonsense that comes with monetization. Leveling in career mode was faster and shorter; you had way more outfits for free, etc.
Played 100% Career. For me it was a lot of fun, BUT: In every turnament i played in the last rounds (semi/Final) against Alcaraz, Fritz or Medvedev, sometimes (previously) againgst Tiafoe and Shelton! Berrettini and Murray hardly ever. The first tournament rounds against fictional opponents. That fact was pretty boring! Tournaments with such less real Players! 😬
Support Team and Coaches with tasks are good, trainings and special events too!
Bro, i like your videos! Totally agree with you, i'm a fan of TS4 but i hate TS2K25 because of micro-transactions, bad gameplay and ugly player's faces. This game deserve a 12/20, not a 16 or a 17/20 like i saw in some reviews (i leave in France).
Tiebreak's gameplay still clumsy mais it's a real simulation tennis game : good career mode, beautiful and numerous players, gameplay much closer to simulation...
Still the only playable tennis game in the modern era. All the alternatives are even worse!
Have you tried Full Ace Tennis Sim or Tennis Elbow ? (both modded)
I have been playing more of top spin 4 better game then top spin 5 just more enjoyable games vs the Ai and taken off the bars like shot bar stamina bar etc i agree what you saying about top spin 5 . I have also been playing Tiebreak but I think still too many issues to be a enjoyable game but I think the game is improving all the time with their patches
Ah yes, the unnecessary addition of shot timing bar. Forgot about it for the video!
Topspin 4 had higher skill ceiling thanks to that. I wish that bar was not a thing, at least in online matches.
Dude...just early access of Tiebreak do better ! for the moment...but there are too much work again, am agree
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Close to the platinum trophy now - and will nevwr play it again after 😂
I agree all that you said.
Yes I gave up on top spin 2K after seeing the terrible career mode. Rallies take no skill at all. Boring. I play Tennis Elbow 4 and It is so much better. Presentation is not as polished, but it takes a lot of work to understand the strategies, but it feels so good when you outwit your opponent. It is hugely deep. Mods and updates are making it better all the time.
This review is spot on. Wide serve and power cheese is so boring.
This should be an online only review. I have not touched online matches & I won't til they put WAY more effort into them. I'm not singing it's praises bc to me it's Topspin 4 w/ some minor improvements (also played the snot out of AO tennis) but it's at least a step in the right direction. Did you dislike TopSpin4 also? No other sim has had all the majors officially. First tennis game to make net play viable at least offline. I'm playing career on hard having a great time, I hit every shot type (I rarely hit flat unless it's a slow high ball) &, not flexing, it's a bit too easy. Your list of gameplay components to a tennis shot, absolutely all make a difference in the timing most importantly & shot selection. The PC consistently hits an out ball if I go at the w/ power & depth. I understand the online frustrations but it's just a different game online. If they don't have offline in a good state, why would you jump into online where things are always much trickier to balance? My biggest gripe is the lack of customization with UI & sensitivity & a high risk button is missed. I loved TS4 but it was not a perfect game the way people romanticize it. Turn off the timing & power meters, you'll get the timing eventually & this is just more screen litter distractions.
I was about to buy this. What would ppl suggest is the best tennis game for pa5? Im leaning towards Tennis World Tour 2.
No no no
Quadruple no. World tour is just janky in movement and the Ai is an unbeatable robot. Try AO 2 before wtour.
@@peterstaklis3712 Thanks. That's really helpful.
Please tell us about single player content review?
Your only focus is multiplayer ?
Long rallies with both players at net 🤣
I disagree with your thought starting at 4.55. Try to play as a pro player vs player online and there are depth in there. Here is the good example of two pros players online: ua-cam.com/video/dsM6xP2S3Mw/v-deo.html . Noticed the game depth in there. The ball placement is very realistic, not just left and right ball thing that you said. Your review is just your point of view and doesnt reflect the real capability of the game if played by good players. The learning curve of Topspin is a bit harder but when learned, its very good.
The game it's ok, but there are a few things that are still better in TopSpin 4 which make no sense... and somethings feels like there is an scripted play that you can't win. Like a rank 23103201203 that suddenly plays some incredible 4 ace in a row or some awesome shots.
Still the best tennis game right now..
i would have bought it, but the graphics are so bad. graphics on a tennis game should be top tier as it's single, small location.
Go download RPCS3 and play top spin 4 until they fix this game.
Top spin 4 had way better gameplay
Top spin 4 game play >> top spin 2k25
it's not on PC
Clothing/gear being locked behind VC and the ridiculous stamina mechanic in career mode pretty much ruined the entire game for me. And the cherry on top of the shit sundae….. my game’s bugged and I can’t even launch the damn thing while connected to the internet. It crashes every single time I try to open it. I submitted a ticket to 2K Support over a week ago and they still haven’t replied. This game is a buggy, rushed cash grab that’s riddled with microtransactions. Don’t bother with it.
That sucks. Have you tried posting on Reddit or reaching out to 2ks community person there? She seems to be quite responsive (forgot the nick,sorry)
They actually released an update on Monday that fixed the issue for me, but at this point I’m so annoyed at the game and 2K that I just don’t have the heart to play it anymore.
Feels too generic. Everyone has the same boring animations. Everyone has the same style of tennis, like real life tennis. Shot animations are hidden behind paywalls and hours of gameplay to unlock higher tiers. I get bored real easy. I play tennis in real life and it doesn’t feel natural. 2K put this game out to entice tennis fans, who loved TS franchise, to spend money.
Then i'll wait for under 25 euros because i'm not going to waste money i'm tired of AAA being expensive
also because i love Top Spin series
Top Spin feels like a left right left, oh so like tennis then 😂
So like tennis for people who know nothing about tennis, i.e. the only people who could see anything positive about this game
For me it's just a matter of will i guess the serve right ... its so boring
Sounds like you are just not very good at playing it. Precision shots are easily played. Power shots shouldn’t be a winner every time you hit one.
Right, his review just confirmed he is not good at Topspin. His reviews doesnt reflect the real capability of the Topspin. Others agrees which indicated they also have similarity with the reviewer.
the only quality of this game is that they rushed to get it out BEFORE tie break
there is no real career mode and servers, omg, are awful like we're in 2005
To be fair, Tiebreak's online experience is not better than TS5 lol
In Tiebreak 150ms delay makes the ball and players teleport all over the place :/
@@machetegaming the new version is gonna be released August 22nd if I’m not mistaken
Really bad game, esp online some players are unplayable. Every shot hitting crazy angles which isn’t possible
No Djokovic, no money from me.
Gotta give you props for consistency 😁
Me too did not buy the game cause the Goat of tennis is not even in the game!! What a joke!!
2K have a big problems with the timing in his games ... We don't need a timing shoot in a fcking a tennis game man like ... why ? The online its literally unplayable , the servers are trash and evereybody spam the same thing over and over agian , it's so fcking BORING AND REPETITIVE and ppl don't care , they still spamming all the time , they don't even care about having fun in the game , they only care about WIN thats it, it's ridiculuos man i can`t understand this new generation of players " competitive pro players " everybody its a competitive sweat now , you can't enjoy online game anymore and having a good time , it's fucking frustrating
After the latest patch i can no longer play the world tur ranked with my created player it keeps crashing on the menu where it prompts u your next opponent .
It freezes i got no.other option but too alt f4 and take a forfeit / lost match gg 2k
Fuck this garbage game spend 120 euro on this crap
@4:42 - So on point. The game lacks mechanical depth and gameplay variety.
@15:25 - "Go get yourself pair of new socks!" LOL
Topspin 2k25 is adictive..
dead game traded it in before its worth pennies.
He’s basically saying you can play another tennis game that has its own faults and lacks polish in different categories than TopSpin. In short pick your poison.
The sad state of tennis video gaming.
I disagree. As long as a tennis game has the shot variety and physics close to the real thing the graphics aren't as important. A game like Chris Evert tennis on the NEs is totally playable because of the way the shots flow like real tennis even though the graphics are basic. When it comes to tennis games it's the play accuracy that makes a game great. TE4 and tennis elbow have this?
friend, you must play full ace tennis simulator , its the tennis game you are looking for
Thanks for suggestion!
I've been playing Full Ace & Tennis Elbow much more than Topspin. First FA clicked more with me, but then TE got me hooked.
Did you try both or just Full Ace?
@@machetegaming ive played both, but full ace is way more realistic, and the ball control and shot selection is way better than TE. TE is a great game but the game is not as deep when it comes to shot selection as it is in full ace . also the multiplayer community in Full ace is good, there are tournaments and the matches turn out to be very realistic.
This is only tanis game good..other just shit..tiebreak look ps3 arcade ..
This game is broken. It’s the definition of people making a game that know nothing about the sport. Players like Sampras and McEnroe are unplayable. And why dose Federer only have skills that target serve and volley players. The patches only ruined the game and favored certain players. Waste of money. Topspin4 is better by far.
Tiebreak is better
Tiebreak Tennis👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌👌
Learn the game better. Its the same gameplay like top spin 4. Every video game is like this. It has flaws and you get better by time. Get over it