I have thoroughly enjoyed Chinese top tier. The MBTs are a compromise on Russian MBTs with slightly worse armour, taller profile, awful reload, but amazing reverse gear and much better thermal sights.
I really love the mobility of the ztz99a and the wz. Feels like playing the leopard 2a4 or the m1 Abrams but with better frontal armor but with worse reload. I play the tank with survivability in mind since it's not great, but to be fair, in top tier, no matter what vehicle you play, you do NOT want to get fired at. Everyone aims at each others gun breech at top tier..
Good video, I'm a huge fan of the Chinese tree and I'm always happy to see people talk about it, even if it is pretty middle of the road like you mentioned. One thing to note is that the tree has a huge potential for growth at top tier, there's a ton of stuff they could add for air and ground in the future that could be pretty cool. Some other points I wanted to mention: - It's a decent lineup to play at top tier even if you only have some of the parts, since the backup vehicles like the light tanks and the AFT you get earlier in the tree still work quite well. Adding to that is that the 10.7 MBTs (or 11.0s with the new BRs I guess) are still fine backups for top tier; they get the same dart and good thermals with the 99s or great speed with the MBT2000. - I kinda disagree with your opinion on the QN506; the CITV on a periscope is pretty useful on hilly maps and the FnF missiles have gotten their guidance improved over the last few patches. The mobility isn't the best but you can still get some cheap kills with it, and it's also a great option for swatting early game heli rushes. I kinda flip flop between this and the AFT for my TD slot in the lineup. - The helis are a lot of fun for the reasons you mentioned, but the grind for them has been killing me. The earlier helis have really bad rockets / ATGMs which make it hard to get mods, and even with the "ground vehicles research helis" option it still takes a while to get to the Z-10. - Don't worry about missing the Antelope, it's pure ass and there's no reason to use it at its own BR, let alone top tier. It could probably be 9.0 without being too strong. Honestly I think the QN506 does a better job at filling in the gaps of the Tor if you're the kind of person who wants two anti-airs. Sorry for wall of text
I re-watched this after watching your other videos, and personally, I feel like Chinese MBTs should get an A grade, given that you also gave French Leclercs an A grade. Type-99A, for example, basically has every tech you would expect on a top-tier tank: commander thermals and override, gunner thermals, LS, and LWR. The weaknesses are weak LFP, side armor, and reload speed, two of which are also found on the Leclerc with the weak hull armor and side armor. The reload speed on Type-99A is worse, but it also gets better front armor overall and is slightly faster. I think your other assessments, however, are fairly on point.
@@brandonbao7097 the difference between 5 seconds and 7.1 seconds is VERY noticable. The ZTZ family is a lot more punished by missing shots than most. This also feeds into the general top tier meta of the best tanks often being able to absorb hits and shoot back, wherein the speed with which you can land a follow up shot is more important.
@@semicooperative7188 Yes the reload rate is true, but my point was that the ZTZ also has noticeably better frontal hull armor, which allowed them to more reliably absorb hits from the front than the Leclerc. The Lerclerc also does not have LWR, which can be very helpful with situational awareness.
QN-506 is unfinished it lacks the anti tank drones, the hatches can be seen in the rear of the tank when right behind the turret use armor mode not xray and you can see 2 dual launchers on each side featuring 8 anti tank drones.
The ZTL11’s reload is the least of its downsides, I rarely find myself in a situation where I need to out reload someone often. It’s 3 huge weaknesses are its size (absolutely massive prone to HE), horrendous gun depression (can’t even use its speed to get into most good positions because it’s unable to look down), and last but most certainly not least it’s horseshit reverse gear ( for a light tank this should be the bear minimim). Most light tanks around this br don’t have these weaknesses. Also the ZBD04A is anything but “a generic light tank” it basically has to infinite firepower if you position it correctly, optical tracking, great thermals, 3 sec reload, good mobility, decent survival etc. it’s just a better bmd 4. So you basically get a buffed event vehicle with this one.
Ground out the Chinese tech tree a few years before they added a bunch of stuff, don't regret it a bit. It should be noted that the Chinese MBTs have the same current issue where if you hit them in the fuel tank, 9/10 times they'll just detonate. QN904 for the longest time has had an issue where if you get hit in the ammo with just about anything and it sets you on fire, no amount of fire suppression systems can put it out before you just die, and even then it tends to just eat all of your ammo anyways, so it's remove gun is fairly useless. For the record, don't listen to what anyone says about the Antelope. It's not nearly as bad as people say, they just don't know how to work around it's quirks. :) Those 35G missiles be hammering anything within range that's at altitude. I do wish it had a reload though.
Tor's missiles are not fast, they're slow with only 850 m/s and they're not smokeless which is another downside. And you forgot JF-17 actually carries 64x laser guided Fire Snake rockets that can 1-2 shot SPAA, Light Tanks and can even kill MBT's from top attack.
i think you should give mbts an A, the lecrecs have an A and are slower, less armor, has less ammo selection but hey the lecrec has a 5 sec reload, and the heli also an A like, it has the best A-A missiles on a heli and can carry a decent ordinance
Great vid Semi. Could I ask if it's possible for you to make videos on the mid and low high tiers too? I started a project this year where I'd finally go over rank 8.0 but while there's ample coverage of individual vehicles at those tiers there really isn't much on the general tech tree br range or lineups.
You should really try Japan top tier the tanks are incredibly mobile and incredible shell with a good reload. They dont have any great cas options or good helicopters but they have the best F-15 in the game also the SPAA is incredible not the most range however if theyre in your range theyre dead also great video
It’s only 8.7 but the PTZ89 tank destroyer is the best in the game relative to its BR. 120mm 5s autoloader laser range finding Long rod dart can 1 shot any tank in the game.
Wew thanks for making this vid, I love the AAs in WT but I get so frustrated with the ADATS radar, for some reason it can't detect headon smaller ATGMs like Vihkrs and the Chinese ones. I was wondering how the TOR does at intercepting? Can it detect those smaller ATGMs, and does the vertical launch mess it up?
The AKD10 is just painful to use. So much so that even the Hellfires feel like a breath of air compared to it. I don't think the TY90s should make the Z-10 11.7 BR, it should either get better missiles or lower BR.
I have thoroughly enjoyed Chinese top tier. The MBTs are a compromise on Russian MBTs with slightly worse armour, taller profile, awful reload, but amazing reverse gear and much better thermal sights.
I really love the mobility of the ztz99a and the wz. Feels like playing the leopard 2a4 or the m1 Abrams but with better frontal armor but with worse reload. I play the tank with survivability in mind since it's not great, but to be fair, in top tier, no matter what vehicle you play, you do NOT want to get fired at. Everyone aims at each others gun breech at top tier..
Good video, I'm a huge fan of the Chinese tree and I'm always happy to see people talk about it, even if it is pretty middle of the road like you mentioned. One thing to note is that the tree has a huge potential for growth at top tier, there's a ton of stuff they could add for air and ground in the future that could be pretty cool. Some other points I wanted to mention:
- It's a decent lineup to play at top tier even if you only have some of the parts, since the backup vehicles like the light tanks and the AFT you get earlier in the tree still work quite well. Adding to that is that the 10.7 MBTs (or 11.0s with the new BRs I guess) are still fine backups for top tier; they get the same dart and good thermals with the 99s or great speed with the MBT2000.
- I kinda disagree with your opinion on the QN506; the CITV on a periscope is pretty useful on hilly maps and the FnF missiles have gotten their guidance improved over the last few patches. The mobility isn't the best but you can still get some cheap kills with it, and it's also a great option for swatting early game heli rushes. I kinda flip flop between this and the AFT for my TD slot in the lineup.
- The helis are a lot of fun for the reasons you mentioned, but the grind for them has been killing me. The earlier helis have really bad rockets / ATGMs which make it hard to get mods, and even with the "ground vehicles research helis" option it still takes a while to get to the Z-10.
- Don't worry about missing the Antelope, it's pure ass and there's no reason to use it at its own BR, let alone top tier. It could probably be 9.0 without being too strong. Honestly I think the QN506 does a better job at filling in the gaps of the Tor if you're the kind of person who wants two anti-airs.
Sorry for wall of text
Huge potential for growth because you can copy paste any nation's vehicles into China's tree!
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator thats what happens when you buy a bunch of (mostly russian) stuff and improve on it
Not a China review after everything else got a massive reload buff 😭
I re-watched this after watching your other videos, and personally, I feel like Chinese MBTs should get an A grade, given that you also gave French Leclercs an A grade.
Type-99A, for example, basically has every tech you would expect on a top-tier tank: commander thermals and override, gunner thermals, LS, and LWR. The weaknesses are weak LFP, side armor, and reload speed, two of which are also found on the Leclerc with the weak hull armor and side armor. The reload speed on Type-99A is worse, but it also gets better front armor overall and is slightly faster.
I think your other assessments, however, are fairly on point.
@@brandonbao7097 the difference between 5 seconds and 7.1 seconds is VERY noticable. The ZTZ family is a lot more punished by missing shots than most. This also feeds into the general top tier meta of the best tanks often being able to absorb hits and shoot back, wherein the speed with which you can land a follow up shot is more important.
@@semicooperative7188 Yes the reload rate is true, but my point was that the ZTZ also has noticeably better frontal hull armor, which allowed them to more reliably absorb hits from the front than the Leclerc. The Lerclerc also does not have LWR, which can be very helpful with situational awareness.
Maybe a little post about the rating after the release of the ZTQ-15? Also nice video.
QN-506 is unfinished it lacks the anti tank drones, the hatches can be seen in the rear of the tank when right behind the turret use armor mode not xray and you can see 2 dual launchers on each side featuring 8 anti tank drones.
Armour values for Type 99A is pretty badly modeled currently
agree
The ZTL11’s reload is the least of its downsides, I rarely find myself in a situation where I need to out reload someone often. It’s 3 huge weaknesses are its size (absolutely massive prone to HE), horrendous gun depression (can’t even use its speed to get into most good positions because it’s unable to look down), and last but most certainly not least it’s horseshit reverse gear ( for a light tank this should be the bear minimim). Most light tanks around this br don’t have these weaknesses. Also the ZBD04A is anything but “a generic light tank” it basically has to infinite firepower if you position it correctly, optical tracking, great thermals, 3 sec reload, good mobility, decent survival etc. it’s just a better bmd 4. So you basically get a buffed event vehicle with this one.
I personally really hope we get to see the Type 625 in the future as an SPAA. Would be a good Chinese Pantsir equivalent.
Ground out the Chinese tech tree a few years before they added a bunch of stuff, don't regret it a bit.
It should be noted that the Chinese MBTs have the same current issue where if you hit them in the fuel tank, 9/10 times they'll just detonate.
QN904 for the longest time has had an issue where if you get hit in the ammo with just about anything and it sets you on fire, no amount of fire suppression systems can put it out before you just die, and even then it tends to just eat all of your ammo anyways, so it's remove gun is fairly useless.
For the record, don't listen to what anyone says about the Antelope. It's not nearly as bad as people say, they just don't know how to work around it's quirks. :) Those 35G missiles be hammering anything within range that's at altitude. I do wish it had a reload though.
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For ZLT11 I think one of the downside is that it doesn’t have commander override, you just can’t fight back after being hit
Reverse too. its suppose to least have -11 km/h
Tor's missiles are not fast, they're slow with only 850 m/s and they're not smokeless which is another downside.
And you forgot JF-17 actually carries 64x laser guided Fire Snake rockets that can 1-2 shot SPAA, Light Tanks and can even kill MBT's from top attack.
i think you should give mbts an A, the lecrecs have an A and are slower, less armor, has less ammo selection but hey the lecrec has a 5 sec reload, and the heli also an A like, it has the best A-A missiles on a heli and can carry a decent ordinance
Which nations are u closest to getting a full top tier lineup on??
Should have Germany ground in not too long, but no idea how long it will take to get air.
@@semicooperative7188 i grinded russia first now working on the US
@semicooperative7188 i did it like that cause the us has so much more stuff plus idk how to use half there aircraft cause guided bombs and such
@@Hewspectre Have fun with the worst teams you will ever see at top tier
@@casualspawnpeeking3680 i think I might skip out after hearing that and doing Germany lol
8:40 I take offence in that statement
They gutted the vt-4 its missing ERA ontop of the turret and wrong transmission and horsepower.
Great vid Semi. Could I ask if it's possible for you to make videos on the mid and low high tiers too? I started a project this year where I'd finally go over rank 8.0 but while there's ample coverage of individual vehicles at those tiers there really isn't much on the general tech tree br range or lineups.
@@ayuvir I'll look into it
You should really try Japan top tier the tanks are incredibly mobile and incredible shell with a good reload. They dont have any great cas options or good helicopters but they have the best F-15 in the game also the SPAA is incredible not the most range however if theyre in your range theyre dead also great video
It’s only 8.7 but the PTZ89 tank destroyer is the best in the game relative to its BR. 120mm 5s autoloader laser range finding Long rod dart can 1 shot any tank in the game.
Italy next!!!!
Where did the decal with the three Chinese characters on the side of some of your vehicles come from?
@@PopperFett it was under China and Tanks last I checked
Wew thanks for making this vid, I love the AAs in WT but I get so frustrated with the ADATS radar, for some reason it can't detect headon smaller ATGMs like Vihkrs and the Chinese ones. I was wondering how the TOR does at intercepting? Can it detect those smaller ATGMs, and does the vertical launch mess it up?
@@TheIke444 kind of. It can track them, but you need enough distance for the vertical launch
You should prob do Japan next
The AKD10 is just painful to use. So much so that even the Hellfires feel like a breath of air compared to it. I don't think the TY90s should make the Z-10 11.7 BR, it should either get better missiles or lower BR.
Yeah sending an AGM that takes 3 business days to reach a target is hell especially when you're constantly being hunted down by enemy AA
can you do israel?
@@michalix411 coming at 5 today
You severely underestimate the Jeff's fire snake apkws, allowing it to carry a large amount of atgms with 4 pl12's
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