Cant also forget that all the maps in the game keep getting flatter and flatter so the gun depression issues that the Soviet style MBTs have are getting mitigated simply by map design being changed to benefit them. Just wait a few more years and they'll make the sand dunes on El-Alamein just shallow enough to let the T-90 peek over them whilst also allowing for them to be hull-down
Also that the USSR Tech tree gets first pick for any new feature. so any feature on a non-USSR vehicle has to wait for the Russians to catch up before they can get it. For example, Spall Liners were only added once the Russian T-90M was added, and then they were only added to specific NATO vehicle after backlash. Plus all ATGMs being nerfed into the ground because soviet era missiles have shit guidance systems so clearly all ATGMs cant hit the broad side of a barn from the inside
@@mysticalcraft2694 but he is right i play alot whit the Sherman firefly and it has a shitty gundeperssion in the last 2-3 year its not more that shity bc all maps getting flatter and flatter -5°(if u aim forward if not its around -3°) isn't that big of a problem anymore
To all the russia is OP players out there. Did you actually play russia? Because to me most of the whining are all players that never actually touched the russian tree. I grinded both russia and german and from my experience germany is far more enjoyable. Russia has pretty much only armor going for it and thats it. In terms of mobility, gun depression, reload and CAS other countries simply do it better. Russians are good overall but they dont excel anywhere. If it comes to tanks german/sweden beat everything. If it comes to CAS the US with many other nations out there beat it. If you think the russian tree is so OP and broken why don't you try it yourself? Surely you would wanna play the best nation in the game. I honestly think sweden is the best nation if it comes to 10+ BR in war thunder both for air and ground.
One thing you didn't account for Russian CAS is that they face much weaker SPAAs while being somewhat covered by the Pantsir against CAP planes. And most of other tech trees, such as Germany, doesn't even have any good CAS planes, Russian Airplanes is for sure A tier not B.
Ohh you do mention towards the end but this doesn't affect your grading of planes for some reason, especially considering how much the Su-25SM3 dominates if you don't spend 700 SP to spawn a plane with AMRAAMs to defeat them.
@@INeatFreak i take a top tier f16 over a slow sub sonic su25 any day. You also have to keep in mind the su25sm3 is the ONLY russian plane that even has thermals. Im sorry but russian CAS sucks compared to the rest especially USA.
@@BlackWolf9988 not true at all, all russian CAS face mich inferior NATO spaas, while NATO cas with shitty mavericks face undertiered SPAAs such as Tunguska and Panthsirs and even Strelas.
I finally found another person, besides myself who actually posts console war thunder YAY 🥳 also, your content is really good if I had to say who you remind me of this, it probably would be Bob Dickinson or Tim’s variety
We should not underestimate how ERA impacts gameplay, the amount of times i've died in a CV90 because of ERA tanking a dozen shells is probably more than it should, especially considering the Relikt bags have a tendency to literally fall off in rough terrain or thick brush(IRL). I have personally never played Russian Top tier, but considering their historical advantages and the ways maps are set up, it's hard to deny that the lineup is one of the best or 2nd best in the game depending on the map and mission.
Many things in tanks have tendency to fall off in real world conditions. It’s not modeled at all on any tank. If it was the game would just be annoying lol.
That's such a good analysis of the Merkavas, despite having way less armor, I find myself surviving significantly more shots than the Abrams. When you said "There will be an F tier" I immediately was like ope, it's the chappy.
B for cas is insane, 40k range mach 2.2 capable missles, this is double range of everything in top tier and 3 times the speed. The su25 is tge best cas plane in the entire game in my opinion
yeah, it has more delta V than the 9M while being 4-5x times more manevourable and straight up impossible to flare when below 1.8km. 9M's are always flarable regardless of distance.
@@semicooperative7188 It is mythic, sure. But it’s better for MBTs and you can actually destroy tanks in places that no Russian HE could dream of in game lol. It’s the best HE even if it’s SAPHE. Either way it’s the absolute top tier best.
I noticed it looks like you play on Xbox if so can you pleeeeeeease do a video on on all your key binds planes included😭 cus maaaaan there’s so much I’m missing out on I’m running out of ideas
I am very self conscious about my button maps because they're kind of shit. A few tips tho - Use maps that cycle between things rather than maps that select a specific thing. Instead of "select ammo 1, select ammo 2", just map a "select next ammo". Instead of "commander view, binocular view" "cycle view", etc. - Memorize the multi-function menu and use that for anything you don't need quickly (turn engine on/off, switch off IRCM, switch radar mode, etc).
Did he just said the Derivatsiya got a better reverse gear than the BMD4. I would not choose the Ka-52 over the Mi-28NM but in war thunder the Mi-28 was nerfed too many times and the Ka-52 was never nerfed only buffed, keep in mind the Mi-28 is missing serveral missiles which havent been added yet.
I feel like taking the T90M is just gimping yourself for no reason. The reverse speed is just too bad to make it work using. Running T80BVM, T80U, BMP-2M, Pantsir S1, and 2S6 is the optimal Russian ground line-up. Even could add Strela as a sixth in there somewhere if you want. Helis and jets is entirely preference based. You don't need more than three MBT/light tanks on a line-up because by death three the SP cost becomes too much. Goes 130 for first spawn BVM, 200 for second spawn T80U, and 300 for BMP-2M third spawn. Spawn SPAA as needed inbetween or after. Their SP costs go 90 for Pantsir, 150 for 2S6, 200+ for Strela(I don't remember). Spawn CAS whenever you have the SP for it if you feel like it. Most economical line-up for any tech tree is always (1) 11.7, (2) 11.3 or lower LT/MBT/TD, (1) 11.7 SPAA, (2) 11.3 or lower SPAA. If you have the slots, always run a fighter jet and a ground attacker, as if you do really well in the game you can probably spawn both. (I run both F16C and A10C in my US line-up as an example)
2:48 All tanks shown have the highest gun elevation possible in game wym “bad”??? Sure T-90A, T-80U, T-72B and all non top tier Russian MBTs have poor gun vertical guidance speed. But that isn’t what’s being discussed…
Be great if fucking 3bm60 can stop ricocheting off of literally anything I'm unsure if there's a new bug where darts just have shitter spall or bounce off HELICOPTERS (I'm not kidding I posted a video about it) darts feel so unreliable since the last month. It can't just be me. The fucking drivers hatch of a leopard 2 would actually kill it. Or even shooting the side of the breach near the turret face. Am I crazy? Darts recently feeling extremely unreliable as of late, even when you go through the armor?
@@tobilikebacon not a part of the content creator program at this time. Maybe one day I'll get my very own decal in the game 🥹. I am currently in rank 7 ground with the Heli tree done, but the air tree could take a minute
@@semicooperative7188 luckily for you, the Air tree is usually faster to research than the ground one! I Just found your Channel today and have been binging your videoes, so Thank you for answering me, just subbed 😁
16:35 no su-39? It is a better version of the su-25T since it gets the kopyo radar and KH-29TE’s compared to the 25T’s KH-29T, and no MiG-29SMT, i will speak from experience though that its a very competent airframe.
@@just_a_meme123 SMTs airframe is good enough, but the Su-27SM has a stronger ordinance load overall and in ground RB, flight performance is less relevant. - Su-39 is going to be pretty indistinguishable from the Su-25T most of the time. Honestly, Russia has a boatload of options. I left out the MiG-27s and Su-17s as well even thought they're also pretty usable. That being said, they have pretty similar advantage/disadvantage spreads, so I just went with some representative airframes to avoid the whole video being a breakdown of a dozen different planes.
The aircraft downsides could've been solved a long time ago but gaijin refuses. French targeting pods for Su27SM/Mig29SMT + Laser guided bombs. Khod targeting pod for Su25T, as well as R27s (Cuz ofc they won't give it R77s), neither do they want to give it Kh29TE, neither do they want to give it the radar pod. Also i will say that the radar is very unreliable on Pantsir. It switches targets at random (mostly right before hitting), doesn't lock sometimes, loses lock sometimes. The TWS and fast search is cool and all but i would rather stick to a tunguska radar that can see a helicopter hovering rather than a pantsir radar thats blind. And the missiles, while they are waaaay better than tunguska, they lack a lot in energy and maneuvarability. I think the 18km stat is only if you're guiding it in a straight line at a target flying lower than 1km alt. These missiles get kinetically dodged so many times
the passive advantidges on the russian mbt do make me a bit angry at times. i main brits and germany in ground atm. the numbers of times russian tanks get to shrug of damage of when critial hits dont even disable anything meaningfull is quite often, yet esp my chally 2 s get one shotted or massivly crippled a lot more often. leo 2s fare a lot better but still got boinked a lot more then russian tanks. you have to be so much more accurate and lucky to one shot a russian tank. and the bm2 imo is just to good to be at it BR, afaik russia is the only nation to be able to fire any atgm or aa missles on the move. if i am wrong please tell me. from what i see this a a russia only thing just as the insane passive durabilty.
Bmp 2m is god awful (so do many other IFVs) with a laughably low world KD according to the datamine website which shows world KD of every vic. Stuff like a stryker or a cv90105 perform far better in war thunder. Vics with big cannons are simply better in war thunder due to the one tap potential and better velocity. Srsly stuff like a bradley 0.43 KD and bmp 2m 1.01 KD just struggle against a cv90105 1.83 KD and stryker 1.3 KD.
@@BlackWolf9988 yes i do agree those 2 are a lot better in general. More safe to use. Both are premiums, not 100% sure but i believe they are. Yet the bmp2 in the hand of a good player with those fire while moving missles and autocannon when properly flanking and posisioned is in those circumstances a lot more dangerous. The trick is getting into those posistions.
I think the Russian tree is just overall average, except like AA, their tanks aren’t really exceptional in any regards, minus armor, There’s a reason why their tanks perform so well, and it’s majorly because they’re very versatile vehicles with usually a decent range of performance in every important aspect, Also like you said, the majority of advantages are passive which means it’s easier to do well, and a lot of things in real life that limit them don’t affect them in game, which I think goes for a lot of aspects of the game,
@@markfrost5164 if you want a decent CAS aircraft and don't feel like grinding the tech trees, it works and can save you some time. As a grinder to unlock the tech tree it's pretty bad and the MiG-23ML is generally better for that.
@@semicooperative7188 su39 is only good for grinding if you bomb bases in sim all day to which i honestly would even recommend the su25k over it due to the lower BR. Its an OK CAS option in ground but sub sonic jets are just awful at 11 BR. Stuff like a su17m4 is better at a slightly lower BR.
oh nvm watched the whole thing its more then pantsir door. Never understood thought procces of people that put that flag exclusively on ussr tree. If ure that of a supporter go on and play m1a2 with that flag or merkava, ukr anyway have none of those lol
@@INeatFreak i disagree. I grinded both germany and russia and my german KD is pretty much two times better. Yes stuff like a 2a4 doesnt have great armor but the mobility and gun depression more then make up for it if you arent a trash shift + w player.
Watching a console player attempt to snap shot literally made my day, when he said "the gun handling is poor" is just simply untrue. t80bvm/t90/t72b3 have the same gun handling if not better than most top tier tanks. Pantsir is literally the best spaa in game by a wide wide margin, when you said its "slightly better than the ITO". Please explain in what universe an spaa with no guns is in anyway able to reliably deal damage to an enemy. The pantsir has no equal in any capacity, its just the best, even at killing tanks due to APHE and A STABILZER BTW. ADATS cannot shoot on the move and its gun its woefully inadequate compared to quad 30mm's. There is almost no situation where you'd rather be in any other spaa than a pantsir. Light tanks should not even be mentioned in this "top tier" review as they have no place in games past tier respective BR bracket, and generally are worse than the mbts that share BR's with them. T80UD T80B are both far far more reliable and capable options at those BRs. The only light tank that would even be considered would maybe be the 2s38 because you really dont need 4 mbts and sometimes having the ability to engage air targets such as scout drones late game is beneficial. But even then its usefulness (INCLUDING BMP2M) agaisnt tanks with spall liners such as 2a7/122 is like a coughing baby (2s38) vs hydrogen bomb (LITERALLY ANY MBT). Lastly "deeply lacks multirole aircraft" MY BROTHER IN CHRIST both the miG29smt and su27sm have access to some of if not the best and most reliable ground attack weapons in the ENTIRE GAME as well as being able to load R77 missiles for dealing with enemy jets. Saying this just means you do not fundamentally DO NOT understand how this game works and are very very misinformed or just ignorant on what is good and bad in this game. Your line up should be t90m t80bvm t80UK/t80UE-1/T80U T72b3/2s38 Pantsir Ka52/Mi28 su27SM su25sm3 if you want to add tanks just add more t80s to your lineup or add a second spaa like the 2s6 or strela. 2/10
@@PompousMagnus The Pantsirs mount is terrible for engaging ground targets as it has very little depression in any arc and can't shoot over the front and any shots of the side will immediately send the vehicle reeling back, it also lacks a laser rangefinder, so accurate shots at any distance is a pain to land and close range shots are suicidal given how awkward it is and how easily it can be machine gunner to death. - The BMP-2M easily shreds ERA and spall liners and can frontally kill anything with its missiles that it can fire while moving and has 4 of. It's also more mobile and responsive than the MBTs giving a lot of versatility. It's the best light tank for top tier and easily gets you into any heli or jet you want. If you disagree that's fine, idk. - The Su-27SM and MiG-29SMT lack targeting systems, so thick cloud covers or night maps really limit them (especially as all of their guides weapons are optical and not IR) and I'd say around 1/3rd to 1/4 of my maps had some pretty dense clouds. They are technically multirole, but lacking all weather means they're more of a risk than something with thermal targeting which is standard on basically every competent multi-role at 12.7 RN. It's 2 options that don't work in all situations, so, yeah "don't have good multi-role aircraft"
@@semicooperative7188 close range is the only way you are ever going to get a kill with an spaa, the pantsirs guns are more than capable of destroying any tank from the side which you can easily do camping a 90 corner. You are not going to be "sniping" with any other spaa ever 99% of cases its close range. Having that stab and being able to shoot on the move is why its good, no other top tier spaa has that ability or even close to that firepower. BMP2m is a complete trap tank bad players think its good because "muh 1200 pen missile on the move" but fail to realize that at these BR's where tanks have 30+ degrees of rotation and elevation you will die instantly. Your best hope is a trade in 99% of cases unless you are camping in corner in which case it does not matter what tank you are in since shooting a unaware enemy is not really that impressive. You are not going to be able to push points, you cannot tank map control, you cannot play super aggro when you have a unreliable missile and a gun that has 0 knockdown power. 2a4 even at its own BR CLEARS the bmp easily. Its arguably not even effective at its own br why would you think its good enough for a 11.7 line up? You dont need a targeting system, the KH-29T missiles have a good enough seeker that even average players can find suitable targets. If you are unable to do this with out a thermal pod then its a skill issue on you not the plane being lacking. BTW if you didnt know you can literally just disable night battles, which you should do because they are dumb. Both the SU27sm/mig29smt and su25sm3 su24m all are more than viable if not cracked at top tier, its really just you are not able to utilize them properly and rate them poorly as a result. JUST FLY UNDER THE F****** CLOUDS and shoot, BTW you cant see through clouds with any thermal pod either so this is complete moot point. Just shameful
"Light tanks should not even be mentioned in this "top tier" review as they have no place in games past tier respective BR bracket, and generally are worse than the mbts that share BR's with them." ....That's the point of a "light" tank..... it's not meant to necessarily be better than a full MBT, nor should it be a first spawn. It's more of a 3rd/4th pick or a support like vehicle(if in a squad or something). and the "unreliable missile" is still better than any TOW equivalent due to how the TOW got nerfed into the ground... At the very least the BMP acts as an effective way to reduce the cost of air, and to scout ahead....
Of course if you take the vehicle out of its intended role and compare it to something it's not meant to be it won't be the thing you want. You could try to use an MBT as an SPAA and it clearly wont work, or you could try to use an SPAA as an MBT and that wont work. If you treat an IFV/"Light tank" like an MBT you wont get the results you could get if you had played it in the role it was meant to be.
@@Malikhy613 These light tanks "role" being what? There are no "roles" or classes in war thunder, there are objectives that need to be taken or fought for. Vehicles that are good can do the important actions that win the game, ie taking map control. "Support" is not a role it is baiting, "Flanking" isnt a role its baiting. Both of those things that are normally attributed to light tanks by players who have no idea what they are talking about. Every single mbt in the game can support, every, mbt can flank plus 99% of the time they do it better. Its not a question of "roles" its a question of THEY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE OR VIABLE in 11.7. Not even going to address the spaa comment because I lost brain cells reading it.
Gaijin : How many SPAA do you have?
Soviet Union: very Lots
Cant also forget that all the maps in the game keep getting flatter and flatter so the gun depression issues that the Soviet style MBTs have are getting mitigated simply by map design being changed to benefit them.
Just wait a few more years and they'll make the sand dunes on El-Alamein just shallow enough to let the T-90 peek over them whilst also allowing for them to be hull-down
Also that the USSR Tech tree gets first pick for any new feature. so any feature on a non-USSR vehicle has to wait for the Russians to catch up before they can get it. For example, Spall Liners were only added once the Russian T-90M was added, and then they were only added to specific NATO vehicle after backlash.
Plus all ATGMs being nerfed into the ground because soviet era missiles have shit guidance systems so clearly all ATGMs cant hit the broad side of a barn from the inside
Now American mains saying map design is Russian bias 😂😂, can’t argue with them
IRL most places aren’t Mount Everest..
@@mysticalcraft2694 but he is right
i play alot whit the Sherman firefly and it has a shitty gundeperssion
in the last 2-3 year its not more that shity bc all maps getting flatter and flatter
-5°(if u aim forward if not its around -3°) isn't that big of a problem anymore
@@mysticalcraft2694can't argue with facts 😂😂😂😂😂
Unfortunately this went about as expected
Man your work is world class. Am I blind? I cannot find Germany.
@@The_Kinadian_Kid still working on the German trees unfortunately
Do you comprehend how long it actually takes to grind a full vehicle tree? People don't just have all 9 or whatever trees fully unlocked.
@@semicooperative7188 I see! Well good luck! Can't wait to see more of your work.
@@RedTail1-1 cripes grumpy. It was just a question. I've been playing this game for over a decade so yes in fact I comprehend.
To all the russia is OP players out there. Did you actually play russia? Because to me most of the whining are all players that never actually touched the russian tree.
I grinded both russia and german and from my experience germany is far more enjoyable. Russia has pretty much only armor going for it and thats it. In terms of mobility, gun depression, reload and CAS other countries simply do it better.
Russians are good overall but they dont excel anywhere. If it comes to tanks german/sweden beat everything. If it comes to CAS the US with many other nations out there beat it.
If you think the russian tree is so OP and broken why don't you try it yourself? Surely you would wanna play the best nation in the game.
I honestly think sweden is the best nation if it comes to 10+ BR in war thunder both for air and ground.
i dont think they are broken some vehicles are bullshit as some are for all countries
That's what I did, I complained about the Russian tree, grinded it, now my opinion is completely different
One thing you didn't account for Russian CAS is that they face much weaker SPAAs while being somewhat covered by the Pantsir against CAP planes. And most of other tech trees, such as Germany, doesn't even have any good CAS planes, Russian Airplanes is for sure A tier not B.
Ohh you do mention towards the end but this doesn't affect your grading of planes for some reason, especially considering how much the Su-25SM3 dominates if you don't spend 700 SP to spawn a plane with AMRAAMs to defeat them.
And the crazy part is Russian hardware in real life is junk, it can even hit a slow moving drones
@@INeatFreak i take a top tier f16 over a slow sub sonic su25 any day. You also have to keep in mind the su25sm3 is the ONLY russian plane that even has thermals. Im sorry but russian CAS sucks compared to the rest especially USA.
@@BlackWolf9988 not true at all, all russian CAS face mich inferior NATO spaas, while NATO cas with shitty mavericks face undertiered SPAAs such as Tunguska and Panthsirs and even Strelas.
elevation and depresion speed of the t72b3,t80bvm,t90m is the same as nato mbt's
I finally found another person, besides myself who actually posts console war thunder YAY 🥳 also, your content is really good if I had to say who you remind me of this, it probably would be Bob Dickinson or Tim’s variety
We should not underestimate how ERA impacts gameplay, the amount of times i've died in a CV90 because of ERA tanking a dozen shells is probably more than it should, especially considering the Relikt bags have a tendency to literally fall off in rough terrain or thick brush(IRL). I have personally never played Russian Top tier, but considering their historical advantages and the ways maps are set up, it's hard to deny that the lineup is one of the best or 2nd best in the game depending on the map and mission.
Many things in tanks have tendency to fall off in real world conditions. It’s not modeled at all on any tank. If it was the game would just be annoying lol.
@@BARelement ah yeah im sure the Added and Bolt on NERA on western tanks just "fall off"
the RuZZians excuses are just pathetic at this point
That's such a good analysis of the Merkavas, despite having way less armor, I find myself surviving significantly more shots than the Abrams. When you said "There will be an F tier" I immediately was like ope, it's the chappy.
B for cas is insane, 40k range mach 2.2 capable missles, this is double range of everything in top tier and 3 times the speed. The su25 is tge best cas plane in the entire game in my opinion
R-73 struggles to hit targets from more than 2km away? What? It has same range as AIM 9Ls, just better perfomance at that range.
yeah, it has more delta V than the 9M while being 4-5x times more manevourable and straight up impossible to flare when below 1.8km. 9M's are always flarable regardless of distance.
@@INeatFreakHowever in GRB you don’t see the 9M launched so pre-flaring is a must
2:32 No, Merkava has the most powerful HE for this level.
@@BARelement the Merkava's round is kinda goofy and not a pure HE. We'll go over that more when we get to Israel
@@semicooperative7188 It is mythic, sure. But it’s better for MBTs and you can actually destroy tanks in places that no Russian HE could dream of in game lol. It’s the best HE even if it’s SAPHE. Either way it’s the absolute top tier best.
I noticed it looks like you play on Xbox if so can you pleeeeeeease do a video on on all your key binds planes included😭 cus maaaaan there’s so much I’m missing out on I’m running out of ideas
I am very self conscious about my button maps because they're kind of shit. A few tips tho
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Use maps that cycle between things rather than maps that select a specific thing. Instead of "select ammo 1, select ammo 2", just map a "select next ammo". Instead of "commander view, binocular view" "cycle view", etc.
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Memorize the multi-function menu and use that for anything you don't need quickly (turn engine on/off, switch off IRCM, switch radar mode, etc).
Do germany next. I cant find the poll.
Did he just said the Derivatsiya got a better reverse gear than the BMD4.
I would not choose the Ka-52 over the Mi-28NM but in war thunder the Mi-28 was nerfed too many times and the Ka-52 was never nerfed only buffed, keep in mind the Mi-28 is missing serveral missiles which havent been added yet.
CAN YOU DO CHINA NEXT?
I feel like taking the T90M is just gimping yourself for no reason. The reverse speed is just too bad to make it work using.
Running T80BVM, T80U, BMP-2M, Pantsir S1, and 2S6 is the optimal Russian ground line-up. Even could add Strela as a sixth in there somewhere if you want. Helis and jets is entirely preference based.
You don't need more than three MBT/light tanks on a line-up because by death three the SP cost becomes too much. Goes 130 for first spawn BVM, 200 for second spawn T80U, and 300 for BMP-2M third spawn. Spawn SPAA as needed inbetween or after. Their SP costs go 90 for Pantsir, 150 for 2S6, 200+ for Strela(I don't remember). Spawn CAS whenever you have the SP for it if you feel like it.
Most economical line-up for any tech tree is always (1) 11.7, (2) 11.3 or lower LT/MBT/TD, (1) 11.7 SPAA, (2) 11.3 or lower SPAA. If you have the slots, always run a fighter jet and a ground attacker, as if you do really well in the game you can probably spawn both. (I run both F16C and A10C in my US line-up as an example)
6:11 another disadvantage is that after 8km the missile only turns 10g-5g
2:48 All tanks shown have the highest gun elevation possible in game wym “bad”??? Sure T-90A, T-80U, T-72B and all non top tier Russian MBTs have poor gun vertical guidance speed. But that isn’t what’s being discussed…
Be great if fucking 3bm60 can stop ricocheting off of literally anything
I'm unsure if there's a new bug where darts just have shitter spall or bounce off HELICOPTERS (I'm not kidding I posted a video about it) darts feel so unreliable since the last month. It can't just be me. The fucking drivers hatch of a leopard 2 would actually kill it. Or even shooting the side of the breach near the turret face. Am I crazy? Darts recently feeling extremely unreliable as of late, even when you go through the armor?
Nah deadass 😭
Feeling what everyone felt when fighting ru for years....
@@M0LOCK It's not unique to ru tanks
Gaijin has the worst modeling for damage
can you get gaijin to give you german top tier with the content creator system?
@@tobilikebacon not a part of the content creator program at this time. Maybe one day I'll get my very own decal in the game 🥹. I am currently in rank 7 ground with the Heli tree done, but the air tree could take a minute
@@semicooperative7188 luckily for you, the Air tree is usually faster to research than the ground one! I Just found your Channel today and have been binging your videoes, so Thank you for answering me, just subbed 😁
16:35 no su-39? It is a better version of the su-25T since it gets the kopyo radar and KH-29TE’s compared to the 25T’s KH-29T, and no MiG-29SMT, i will speak from experience though that its a very competent airframe.
@@just_a_meme123 SMTs airframe is good enough, but the Su-27SM has a stronger ordinance load overall and in ground RB, flight performance is less relevant.
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Su-39 is going to be pretty indistinguishable from the Su-25T most of the time. Honestly, Russia has a boatload of options. I left out the MiG-27s and Su-17s as well even thought they're also pretty usable. That being said, they have pretty similar advantage/disadvantage spreads, so I just went with some representative airframes to avoid the whole video being a breakdown of a dozen different planes.
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The aircraft downsides could've been solved a long time ago but gaijin refuses. French targeting pods for Su27SM/Mig29SMT + Laser guided bombs. Khod targeting pod for Su25T, as well as R27s (Cuz ofc they won't give it R77s), neither do they want to give it Kh29TE, neither do they want to give it the radar pod.
Also i will say that the radar is very unreliable on Pantsir. It switches targets at random (mostly right before hitting), doesn't lock sometimes, loses lock sometimes. The TWS and fast search is cool and all but i would rather stick to a tunguska radar that can see a helicopter hovering rather than a pantsir radar thats blind. And the missiles, while they are waaaay better than tunguska, they lack a lot in energy and maneuvarability. I think the 18km stat is only if you're guiding it in a straight line at a target flying lower than 1km alt. These missiles get kinetically dodged so many times
Womp womp
@@trevorowens5373 Very usefull input....
the passive advantidges on the russian mbt do make me a bit angry at times. i main brits and germany in ground atm. the numbers of times russian tanks get to shrug of damage of when critial hits dont even disable anything meaningfull is quite often, yet esp my chally 2 s get one shotted or massivly crippled a lot more often. leo 2s fare a lot better but still got boinked a lot more then russian tanks. you have to be so much more accurate and lucky to one shot a russian tank.
and the bm2 imo is just to good to be at it BR, afaik russia is the only nation to be able to fire any atgm or aa missles on the move. if i am wrong please tell me. from what i see this a a russia only thing just as the insane passive durabilty.
Bmp 2m is god awful (so do many other IFVs) with a laughably low world KD according to the datamine website which shows world KD of every vic.
Stuff like a stryker or a cv90105 perform far better in war thunder. Vics with big cannons are simply better in war thunder due to the one tap potential and better velocity.
Srsly stuff like a bradley 0.43 KD and bmp 2m 1.01 KD just struggle against a cv90105 1.83 KD and stryker 1.3 KD.
@@BlackWolf9988 yes i do agree those 2 are a lot better in general. More safe to use. Both are premiums, not 100% sure but i believe they are.
Yet the bmp2 in the hand of a good player with those fire while moving missles and autocannon when properly flanking and posisioned is in those circumstances a lot more dangerous. The trick is getting into those posistions.
Very based. Ty for UA flags homie
I think the Russian tree is just overall average, except like AA, their tanks aren’t really exceptional in any regards, minus armor,
There’s a reason why their tanks perform so well, and it’s majorly because they’re very versatile vehicles with usually a decent range of performance in every important aspect,
Also like you said, the majority of advantages are passive which means it’s easier to do well, and a lot of things in real life that limit them don’t affect them in game, which I think goes for a lot of aspects of the game,
To all the russian players should i get the su39
@@markfrost5164 if you want a decent CAS aircraft and don't feel like grinding the tech trees, it works and can save you some time. As a grinder to unlock the tech tree it's pretty bad and the MiG-23ML is generally better for that.
@@semicooperative7188 thanks
@@semicooperative7188 su39 is only good for grinding if you bomb bases in sim all day to which i honestly would even recommend the su25k over it due to the lower BR. Its an OK CAS option in ground but sub sonic jets are just awful at 11 BR. Stuff like a su17m4 is better at a slightly lower BR.
bruh tf is on ur pantsir door? Its like painting taliban sign on abrams.. Hella cringe
oh nvm watched the whole thing its more then pantsir door. Never understood thought procces of people that put that flag exclusively on ussr tree. If ure that of a supporter go on and play m1a2 with that flag or merkava, ukr anyway have none of those lol
Chinese top tier please.
@@Andy-xn9zn coming up next week
@@semicooperative7188 thank you
Tbh their top tier ground is boring
Because it's so easy to play, there's no challenge except the 2A7's
@@INeatFreak i disagree. I grinded both germany and russia and my german KD is pretty much two times better. Yes stuff like a 2a4 doesnt have great armor but the mobility and gun depression more then make up for it if you arent a trash shift + w player.
Watching a console player attempt to snap shot literally made my day, when he said "the gun handling is poor" is just simply untrue. t80bvm/t90/t72b3 have the same gun handling if not better than most top tier tanks.
Pantsir is literally the best spaa in game by a wide wide margin, when you said its "slightly better than the ITO". Please explain in what universe an spaa with no guns is in anyway able to reliably deal damage to an enemy. The pantsir has no equal in any capacity, its just the best, even at killing tanks due to APHE and A STABILZER BTW. ADATS cannot shoot on the move and its gun its woefully inadequate compared to quad 30mm's. There is almost no situation where you'd rather be in any other spaa than a pantsir.
Light tanks should not even be mentioned in this "top tier" review as they have no place in games past tier respective BR bracket, and generally are worse than the mbts that share BR's with them. T80UD T80B are both far far more reliable and capable options at those BRs. The only light tank that would even be considered would maybe be the 2s38 because you really dont need 4 mbts and sometimes having the ability to engage air targets such as scout drones late game is beneficial. But even then its usefulness (INCLUDING BMP2M) agaisnt tanks with spall liners such as 2a7/122 is like a coughing baby (2s38) vs hydrogen bomb (LITERALLY ANY MBT).
Lastly "deeply lacks multirole aircraft" MY BROTHER IN CHRIST both the miG29smt and su27sm have access to some of if not the best and most reliable ground attack weapons in the ENTIRE GAME as well as being able to load R77 missiles for dealing with enemy jets. Saying this just means you do not fundamentally DO NOT understand how this game works and are very very misinformed or just ignorant on what is good and bad in this game.
Your line up should be
t90m t80bvm t80UK/t80UE-1/T80U T72b3/2s38 Pantsir Ka52/Mi28 su27SM su25sm3
if you want to add tanks just add more t80s to your lineup or add a second spaa like the 2s6 or strela.
2/10
@@PompousMagnus
The Pantsirs mount is terrible for engaging ground targets as it has very little depression in any arc and can't shoot over the front and any shots of the side will immediately send the vehicle reeling back, it also lacks a laser rangefinder, so accurate shots at any distance is a pain to land and close range shots are suicidal given how awkward it is and how easily it can be machine gunner to death.
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The BMP-2M easily shreds ERA and spall liners and can frontally kill anything with its missiles that it can fire while moving and has 4 of. It's also more mobile and responsive than the MBTs giving a lot of versatility. It's the best light tank for top tier and easily gets you into any heli or jet you want. If you disagree that's fine, idk.
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The Su-27SM and MiG-29SMT lack targeting systems, so thick cloud covers or night maps really limit them (especially as all of their guides weapons are optical and not IR) and I'd say around 1/3rd to 1/4 of my maps had some pretty dense clouds. They are technically multirole, but lacking all weather means they're more of a risk than something with thermal targeting which is standard on basically every competent multi-role at 12.7 RN. It's 2 options that don't work in all situations, so, yeah "don't have good multi-role aircraft"
@@semicooperative7188 close range is the only way you are ever going to get a kill with an spaa, the pantsirs guns are more than capable of destroying any tank from the side which you can easily do camping a 90 corner. You are not going to be "sniping" with any other spaa ever 99% of cases its close range. Having that stab and being able to shoot on the move is why its good, no other top tier spaa has that ability or even close to that firepower.
BMP2m is a complete trap tank bad players think its good because "muh 1200 pen missile on the move" but fail to realize that at these BR's where tanks have 30+ degrees of rotation and elevation you will die instantly. Your best hope is a trade in 99% of cases unless you are camping in corner in which case it does not matter what tank you are in since shooting a unaware enemy is not really that impressive. You are not going to be able to push points, you cannot tank map control, you cannot play super aggro when you have a unreliable missile and a gun that has 0 knockdown power. 2a4 even at its own BR CLEARS the bmp easily. Its arguably not even effective at its own br why would you think its good enough for a 11.7 line up?
You dont need a targeting system, the KH-29T missiles have a good enough seeker that even average players can find suitable targets. If you are unable to do this with out a thermal pod then its a skill issue on you not the plane being lacking. BTW if you didnt know you can literally just disable night battles, which you should do because they are dumb. Both the SU27sm/mig29smt and su25sm3 su24m all are more than viable if not cracked at top tier, its really just you are not able to utilize them properly and rate them poorly as a result. JUST FLY UNDER THE F****** CLOUDS and shoot, BTW you cant see through clouds with any thermal pod either so this is complete moot point.
Just shameful
"Light tanks should not even be mentioned in this "top tier" review as they have no place in games past tier respective BR bracket, and generally are worse than the mbts that share BR's with them." ....That's the point of a "light" tank..... it's not meant to necessarily be better than a full MBT, nor should it be a first spawn. It's more of a 3rd/4th pick or a support like vehicle(if in a squad or something). and the "unreliable missile" is still better than any TOW equivalent due to how the TOW got nerfed into the ground... At the very least the BMP acts as an effective way to reduce the cost of air, and to scout ahead....
Of course if you take the vehicle out of its intended role and compare it to something it's not meant to be it won't be the thing you want. You could try to use an MBT as an SPAA and it clearly wont work, or you could try to use an SPAA as an MBT and that wont work. If you treat an IFV/"Light tank" like an MBT you wont get the results you could get if you had played it in the role it was meant to be.
@@Malikhy613 These light tanks "role" being what? There are no "roles" or classes in war thunder, there are objectives that need to be taken or fought for. Vehicles that are good can do the important actions that win the game, ie taking map control. "Support" is not a role it is baiting, "Flanking" isnt a role its baiting. Both of those things that are normally attributed to light tanks by players who have no idea what they are talking about. Every single mbt in the game can support, every, mbt can flank plus 99% of the time they do it better. Its not a question of "roles" its a question of THEY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE OR VIABLE in 11.7.
Not even going to address the spaa comment because I lost brain cells reading it.
you give massive positive and S rank in the middle of "RuSSiA aIn"T oP AcTuAlLy" community environmental is yike
Have you played russia?
@@BlackWolf9988 yes, but not as full capacity
Many drawbacks but get overshadowed by upside
Example no reverse speed but you have a lot of armour**