It's not Musescore 5... It's Muse Realistic Orchestra v0.2, a performance software intended as a companion to Musescore 5 with its own sophisticated playback suite, conductor mode, and lifelike 3D rendering.
I'm so glad that **god awful** trumpet and trombone soundfont is gone. The faster notes could use a little more clarity, but this is a huge improvement. Imagine Gustav Holst's Mars on this
@@BrassPlayr would it fix dynamic issues too? i converted my old scores to version 4 and the dynamics are all over the place and don’t match the marking at all🥴
This video clearly hit the algorithm after MuseScore 4 dropped. For all the new viewers-- expect another video to come out within the next couple of days, this time being an excerpt from Beethoven's 7th, Mvt 2. edit: video is now out! ua-cam.com/video/BNZImM7WmiU/v-deo.html
Thanks for the works and effort you put into the video!! There's definitely a big difference between musescore 3.6 and 4. But although I think, ms 4 sounds much better and has improved a lot, so things could definitely be better. Like the mix of the instruments, so that the one with the melody peeks out a bit more. You just got a new subscriber
@@_ve0 Here's a sample of the Muse Sound strings with added convolution reverb, compressor and EQ settings to violins and violas. Let me know what you think. I've found the pp to be extremely quiet in playback so I had to adjust some sections from pp to p in this score ua-cam.com/video/60-hWcAkMq0/v-deo.html
@@insight827 Yes, I have, and I am completely underwhelmed. NotePerformer 3.3 does far better overall while Muse Sounds uses over 13 times as much disk space. While it is a significant step in the right direction, it has massive articulation and sampling issues. It sounds amazing in quiet, legato passages, but completely falls apart with anything remotely vigorous. NotePerformer 3.3 on the other hand sounds brash in quiet, legato passages, lacks warmth, but has industry-leading articulation response and plenty of punch. Many of its samples and synths could be better, but it doesn't have /issues/, where notes are cutting in and out, cutting off, clicking, etc.
@@shalemloritsch9382 I can’t believe the $130 program with years of development time sounds better than the freeware plugin that was made from scratch on a whim because they happened to get someone who had experience working on such a thing.
There’s no denying that the new sound libraries are an incredible leap for orchestral playback. But to amuse myself I write fiddle tunes, and the violin from the new MuseSounds strings library are quite baffled by jigs, reels, polkas or mazurkas. 😂
One problem similar in Musescore 3 and 4 is the volume difference between p and f is too much. I wish I could set the dynamic range or the volume of each of the levels pp to ff. Softer and louder is good, but the steps are jarring to me - and yet the live orchestra is perfect.
I would love to hear the Star Wars Title Theme using the Muse 4 playback. I currently have the full score transcribed on Sibelius, and it sounds amazing with Noteperformer, but I haven't gotten Musescore 4 yet and I'm super curious how it would sound (might make for a great comparison video). If you'd like the mxl file, let me know and I'd be happy to send it to you!!
I cant wait for the future and see powerful AI's interpreting sheet music. we are getting closer and its very exciting but I dont think anything will beat humans.
@@andressegarra2376 and even if we do develop some form of AI for that, it will be programmed to mimic our human perception of what is good but its not an exact science, music is the little nuances of humans that make it unique, you could claim that programs like these are playing these pieces perfectly but to our human ear it sounds mechanic and just bad honestly that is why maybe an AI would do a better job but not more much better than the human it tries to mimic and there are infinite musicians to mimic and each one has a particular sound and also different listeners are drawn to different sounds even if it's the same piece
My gods… the old version sounded like a calliope on speed……… and the new version most definitely didn’t! Can’t wait to start working with this new version on some guitar pieces!
Unfortunately just another drawback of the current state of sounds. Anything in the highest register is piercing and tough to listen to, as it gets louder the higher you go (without actually changing the dynamic level)
Yeah. Like. Musescore 4 has the bigger picture down for sure! I recommend showing of a String Solo piece some day, it is then when you can really see all the small flaws really add up, like you hearing two instruments instead of one noticeable in the for of "Schwebungen" (google said that english word is "acoustic beats" no clue if that is true) Like. In slow legato pieces the musescore strings are utterly amazing, but as was stated in a different comment, they lack clarity and attack in fast passages. Anothet thing that bothers me is, how missmatched the volumes of the different samples are, but maybe that is just me comming from a daw where samples are standerdized.
Best version I’ve ever heard was the one they used in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (2010, commemorating the XXI Olympic Winter Games in Vancouver, BC, Canada), specifically for DS.
Some say worse, some say better. I think by default, noteperformer is better, but if you’re willing to make a lot of microadjustments, musescore can overtake noteperformer.
@@_ve0 This is one of the most accurate assessments I've seen on the subject so far. So many are just drooling over Muse Sounds, and as a composer of classical music and user of NotePerformer, I just don't get it. Yeah, Muse Sounds can create some amazing demos-IF-you stay within a certain genre (just like many other sample libraries costing thousands). Most sample libraries are optimized for John Williams type dramatic, Hollywood sound. Muse Sounds seems to be optimized for quiet, legato passages. If you step outside of any of these optimized genres with such sample libraries, NotePerformer 3.3 immediately takes the lead. With a little extra effort (multitrack EQ and reverb), NotePerformer's sound can be significantly improved even further.
The new samples are great but the current implementation makes them too much of a pain to deal with (for me) to actually use. The volume balance of some instruments is way off (the super quiet choir samples for example) but so is the timing of the notes. Yes, the basic soundfont sounds very primitive but it's more consistent, so I'm gonna stick with it until they fix these issues. At the end of the day I care more about hearing the parts that I'm writing as written than realism. I do appreciate that they are releasing all of these samples for free but the finished product doesn't do the work put into recording them justice.
First, make sure you make a backup. After that, because scores from 3 are forward-compatible, all you have to do is open the same file from within musescore 4. That’s it. Keep in mind that you’ll certainly have to change around dynamics and ornamentation (musescore 4 currently lacks in these areas)
This is the default sound, with a few adjustments to dynamics and note lengths. Compared to the other scores I’ve made so far, this has very few changes made. Welcome to the future of OSS :)
I use FL Studio to write music of all kinds (for years now). I have a two humble orchestral libraries. I see this application can make use of VST. How feasible is it to make use of an external VST-based library with Musescore 4? I ask more regarding articulations -- is there a way to program it so that it switches/keyswitches sounds when you input staccato, pizzicato, vibrato/pitch bend, attack modifications, etc within the VST in question? While I now see more usefulness out of Musescore than ever before, these subtle touches of "marionette-ing" may cause me to settle for sticking to the DAW as much as possible or doing some hybrid approach. Care to share any experiences with external VSTs?
@@_ve0 You should be able to output to MIDI from Musescore, and receive that MIDI input in your VST. I don't have any way to test it right now, and there are suggestions that it is broken in Musescore 4 at the moment, but it does work in Musescore 3.
That MuseScore 5 at the end is the most realistic of all
It's not Musescore 5...
It's Muse Realistic Orchestra v0.2, a performance software intended as a companion to Musescore 5 with its own sophisticated playback suite, conductor mode, and lifelike 3D rendering.
@Jm tomorrow
Ms4 is the better one but could use more clarity in fast notes.
I definitely agree, specifically in the strings. I made many of the 16ths staccato, but it doesn’t read that way at all
@@_ve0 Stacatissimo helps a bit.
@@_ve0 another thing I noticed while writing my own arrangements is the playback on certain high notes is hella delayed.
@@_ve0 16th note play so little that it cuts out
@@brasenwalker there's a ton of delay, for contrabass it just doesn't play even though it's well within range
I'm so glad that **god awful** trumpet and trombone soundfont is gone. The faster notes could use a little more clarity, but this is a huge improvement. Imagine Gustav Holst's Mars on this
I’ll take a look at Mars and see if there’s any suitable sections to run through the new sounds :)
MS4 is obviously a massive improvement, but I'm still sad about how the brass sounds
I was let down by the percussion sounds. It sounds like it has a lot of reverb for some weird reason
@@jaas0225 yeah the marimbas were super quiet and i could barely hear them
@@douzidoozyuse the compressor effect from muse hub. It will be your friend!
@@BrassPlayr would it fix dynamic issues too? i converted my old scores to version 4 and the dynamics are all over the place and don’t match the marking at all🥴
can't hear woodwinds still 😭😭
Finally, the strings at least don't cause actual pain to listen to. Definitely an improvement all around.
This video clearly hit the algorithm after MuseScore 4 dropped. For all the new viewers-- expect another video to come out within the next couple of days, this time being an excerpt from Beethoven's 7th, Mvt 2.
edit: video is now out!
ua-cam.com/video/BNZImM7WmiU/v-deo.html
Perhaps v3 on the left channel and v4 on the right channel?
I really like the third version. The musicians looked so realistic, one wouldn’t guess it’s just a computer. 😂
That's the beta version of MuseScore 5, but you need to attach a second monitor to see the score and the orchestra at the same time.
@@JScaranoMusic you took my words
@@JScaranoMusic damn, artificial intelligence nowadays truly is something!
I'm pretty sure that's a real orchestra, otherwise that guy in the back wouldn't be picking up his cymbals.
@@JScaranoMusic source or link to a forum post that says so or anything that could confirm that claim?
Timestamps:
0:07 MuseScore 3
1:15 MuseScore 4
2:22 Real Orchestra
you've just reminded me that I can add chapters to the videos, so thanks for that
There's something so comforting in knowing that humans are still unmatched when it comes to art.
for now
Thanks for the works and effort you put into the video!!
There's definitely a big difference between musescore 3.6 and 4. But although I think, ms 4 sounds much better and has improved a lot, so things could definitely be better. Like the mix of the instruments, so that the one with the melody peeks out a bit more.
You just got a new subscriber
Wish this musescore version had the cymbal part
MuseScore 4 is a huge blessing to us composers. The new sounds are very realistic. Did you do any EQ adjustments on the new sounds or add any reverb?
No adjustments were made outside of ornamentation/dynamics at all
@@_ve0 such a huge improvement for sure with MuseScore 4. Thank you for letting me know.
@@_ve0 Here's a sample of the Muse Sound strings with added convolution reverb, compressor and EQ settings to violins and violas. Let me know what you think. I've found the pp to be extremely quiet in playback so I had to adjust some sections from pp to p in this score ua-cam.com/video/60-hWcAkMq0/v-deo.html
Estou usando essa nova versão do musicScore e ele realmente muito bom.
I really like the new sound font on muescore 4, but it kind of sounds like every note just got longer
have you actually installed musesounds?
@@insight827 Yes, I have, and I am completely underwhelmed. NotePerformer 3.3 does far better overall while Muse Sounds uses over 13 times as much disk space. While it is a significant step in the right direction, it has massive articulation and sampling issues. It sounds amazing in quiet, legato passages, but completely falls apart with anything remotely vigorous. NotePerformer 3.3 on the other hand sounds brash in quiet, legato passages, lacks warmth, but has industry-leading articulation response and plenty of punch. Many of its samples and synths could be better, but it doesn't have /issues/, where notes are cutting in and out, cutting off, clicking, etc.
@@shalemloritsch9382 I can’t believe the $130 program with years of development time sounds better than the freeware plugin that was made from scratch on a whim because they happened to get someone who had experience working on such a thing.
so how many GB is the real orchestra download
Amazing. I can agree with observation of SiggeSvahn below, but still amazing improvements. Down to subtle minutiae at this level of advancements.
There’s no denying that the new sound libraries are an incredible leap for orchestral playback. But to amuse myself I write fiddle tunes, and the violin from the new MuseSounds strings library are quite baffled by jigs, reels, polkas or mazurkas. 😂
Tough example for MS4 because the Sul G at the beginning isn't implemented. A bit much to ask for of course. Sounds great!
One problem similar in Musescore 3 and 4 is the volume difference between p and f is too much. I wish I could set the dynamic range or the volume of each of the levels pp to ff. Softer and louder is good, but the steps are jarring to me - and yet the live orchestra is perfect.
I would love to hear the Star Wars Title Theme using the Muse 4 playback. I currently have the full score transcribed on Sibelius, and it sounds amazing with Noteperformer, but I haven't gotten Musescore 4 yet and I'm super curious how it would sound (might make for a great comparison video). If you'd like the mxl file, let me know and I'd be happy to send it to you!!
so when is musescore: real orchestra coming out?
I cant wait for the future and see powerful AI's interpreting sheet music. we are getting closer and its very exciting but I dont think anything will beat humans.
That's the sad thing: It will. We humans are just machines. The moment we invent better machines than ourselves, we are done for.
@@andressegarra2376 Our music is mostly exclusive to humans that is why I don't think anything will replace humans in making human music.
@@andressegarra2376 and even if we do develop some form of AI for that, it will be programmed to mimic our human perception of what is good but its not an exact science, music is the little nuances of humans that make it unique, you could claim that programs like these are playing these pieces perfectly but to our human ear it sounds mechanic and just bad honestly that is why maybe an AI would do a better job but not more much better than the human it tries to mimic and there are infinite musicians to mimic and each one has a particular sound and also different listeners are drawn to different sounds even if it's the same piece
My gods… the old version sounded like a calliope on speed……… and the new version most definitely didn’t! Can’t wait to start working with this new version on some guitar pieces!
Third is a tech demo of the musescore 5, to come in the near future, using advanced AI to simulate live orchestras
yet, the most important question of all; what does the new kazoo synthesiser sound like?
Wow, the piccolo cuts through the mix in M4
Unfortunately just another drawback of the current state of sounds. Anything in the highest register is piercing and tough to listen to, as it gets louder the higher you go (without actually changing the dynamic level)
@@_ve0 Ironically, this reminds me of many real piccolo players. 😂 Perhaps they were just trying to emulate the real thing?
How do I get those amazing sound fonts for musescore 4? Help please
I would prefer Muse Sounds because they sound exactly realistic as the live orchestra one at the end.
Everyone would
@@gabrieltellez8148 At least it sounds even better and realistic than NotePerformer, and impressive for a free library!
Its not realistic but it's closer
Yeah. Like. Musescore 4 has the bigger picture down for sure!
I recommend showing of a String Solo piece some day, it is then when you can really see all the small flaws really add up, like you hearing two instruments instead of one noticeable in the for of "Schwebungen" (google said that english word is "acoustic beats" no clue if that is true)
Like. In slow legato pieces the musescore strings are utterly amazing, but as was stated in a different comment, they lack clarity and attack in fast passages.
Anothet thing that bothers me is, how missmatched the volumes of the different samples are, but maybe that is just me comming from a daw where samples are standerdized.
Best version I’ve ever heard was the one they used in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games (2010, commemorating the XXI Olympic Winter Games in Vancouver, BC, Canada), specifically for DS.
How does it compare to Noteperformer?
Some say worse, some say better. I think by default, noteperformer is better, but if you’re willing to make a lot of microadjustments, musescore can overtake noteperformer.
@@_ve0 This is one of the most accurate assessments I've seen on the subject so far. So many are just drooling over Muse Sounds, and as a composer of classical music and user of NotePerformer, I just don't get it. Yeah, Muse Sounds can create some amazing demos-IF-you stay within a certain genre (just like many other sample libraries costing thousands). Most sample libraries are optimized for John Williams type dramatic, Hollywood sound. Muse Sounds seems to be optimized for quiet, legato passages. If you step outside of any of these optimized genres with such sample libraries, NotePerformer 3.3 immediately takes the lead. With a little extra effort (multitrack EQ and reverb), NotePerformer's sound can be significantly improved even further.
The new samples are great but the current implementation makes them too much of a pain to deal with (for me) to actually use. The volume balance of some instruments is way off (the super quiet choir samples for example) but so is the timing of the notes. Yes, the basic soundfont sounds very primitive but it's more consistent, so I'm gonna stick with it until they fix these issues. At the end of the day I care more about hearing the parts that I'm writing as written than realism. I do appreciate that they are releasing all of these samples for free but the finished product doesn't do the work put into recording them justice.
Hi! This sounds amazing! However, I do have a question: How do I move my projects from Musescore 3.0 to Musescore 4.0?
First, make sure you make a backup. After that, because scores from 3 are forward-compatible, all you have to do is open the same file from within musescore 4. That’s it. Keep in mind that you’ll certainly have to change around dynamics and ornamentation (musescore 4 currently lacks in these areas)
4 is insanely good
Can you please tell me how you made musescore 4 sound that good
This is the default sound, with a few adjustments to dynamics and note lengths. Compared to the other scores I’ve made so far, this has very few changes made. Welcome to the future of OSS :)
We went from snes music to actually descent (and free) virtual instruments
I use Musescore 3.6 :)
How are you able to run that? My pc has a stroke any time I have more than four parts…
My machine isn’t particularly new or beefy… I assume yours is quite old then?
I wish my computer could handle MuseScore 4
I use FL Studio to write music of all kinds (for years now). I have a two humble orchestral libraries. I see this application can make use of VST. How feasible is it to make use of an external VST-based library with Musescore 4? I ask more regarding articulations -- is there a way to program it so that it switches/keyswitches sounds when you input staccato, pizzicato, vibrato/pitch bend, attack modifications, etc within the VST in question?
While I now see more usefulness out of Musescore than ever before, these subtle touches of "marionette-ing" may cause me to settle for sticking to the DAW as much as possible or doing some hybrid approach. Care to share any experiences with external VSTs?
This is a great question, but I have no answer to this myself. I would love if someone would answer this in my stead...?
@@_ve0 You should be able to output to MIDI from Musescore, and receive that MIDI input in your VST. I don't have any way to test it right now, and there are suggestions that it is broken in Musescore 4 at the moment, but it does work in Musescore 3.
You can use it, however you have to map each type of MIDI event manually if you don't use the Muse Sounds default packs.
@@redyau_ I see... Does this mean that dynamic articulations will not function as a sort of mod-wheel replacement for the target VST?
@@brianbergmusic5288 I'm sure it can be used that way if you wire it up manually.
Is this the default sound or is this with the add one downloaded?
The MuseScore 3 section uses default sounds, and the MuseScore 4 sections uses the corresponding Muse Sounds packs.
If Musescore 4 were to retain Piano Roll Editor.
all the notes feel to close to each other, it doesn't sound perfect, but it's an improvement for sure.
Definitely not buying Sibelius for my desktop. Going back to the free program that is musescore.
MuseScore 4 doesn't use soundfonts!
Or Muse Sounds rather
Weird, I remember I was able to use Soundfonts and MuseSounds
ms3 wasn't even that bad tho
I almost prefer MS3 over MS4. Musescore 3 plays a lot tighter than Musescore 4. The inaccurate timing makes it painful to listen to.
With MS3 _everything_ is articulated. It's choppy, not tighter.
Check out this video, (ua-cam.com/video/B9xcNWxa8as/v-deo.html). NotePerformer 4 really outshines MS4. It has a lot of room for improvement.
Its still very lousy. Maybe in 10 years...