Is The New Gibson "Modern Lite" Worth It? | 2023
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Today, we check out the new Gibson Modern Lite that was launched in late 2023. These seems to get a lot of hate online and I'll argue that they do appeal to a very select audience, but at least they come in some fun colors that might inspire someone
Is The New Gibson "Modern Lite" Worth It? | 2023
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0:00 Intro - Check Links in the Description
0:07 About the Original and Modern Collections
0:51 Different Finishes
1:05 What Makes This Unique?
1:49 The Satin Finish
2:16 The Price + Justified?
3:27 Options at the Same Price Point
4:01 Used Options
4:58 Inside Look / Specs
11:59 Clean Tones
14:01 Dirty Tones
15:01 Final Thoughts
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Introducing the Less Paul
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I played this guitar at the store and I was impressed by how light, resonant and nice they feel. I went home with a Gibson SG Standard in a beautiful silver color from the new line. That afternoon while playing the SG, I started remembering how good the Les Paul Lite felt. Next day I went back and returned the SG and walked away with the Pink Modern Lite. No regrets.
Wow so you downgraded then! 😅 just kidding lol! How did the silver SG look in person?
@@jonathanhudak2059 SG was great. The silver really sparkles in the light. The only thing is…I’m used to playing an SG 61 because of the thinner neck and the higher fret access. They didn’t have those at the store yet, which made my decision to get this one easier. I’ll still get the SG 61 once I pay this one off, and it will be the same silver color. In the meantime I’m really enjoying how light and comfortable the Les Paul Lite feels, and the pickups sound great as well.
@Tiago_007 hey thanks on that info I bet the silver SG looked rad! Would love to see one (and TV Yellow) in person. My 94 SG Standard(bat wing pickguard) has a fatter neck whereas my 2020 SG Special P-90 has the slim taper neck which I like better. Glad you're enjoying your new Les Paul!
@@jonathanhudak2059 Thanks! Yes the TV Yellow was my 2nd choice, how can you not like a Yellow SG! I love big necks, but I have small hands. I love the SG Special with P90s, a Pelham Blue is definitely on my list!
@Tiago_007 thank you! Yep you got it on a yellow SG. Which is why I eventually got a Gary Clark Jr. SG. What's not to like right? Striking yellow finish, 3 P-90s nice slim neck, awesome guitar! Would love to see one of the new ones in TV Yellow but am not buying anymore guitars
I wish they had decided to add color tops to the Tribute rather than discontinuing it. The Tribute is a great light weight Les Paul option and a better value in my opinion.
Better value in every way. The tribute is a guitar to be proud of and the build quality is wonderful compared to this cheap looking tinker toy.
They should have called it "new studio lite" and sold it for about 1000. For 1500 I think it should have top binding!
Perfect name and price ya got there!
We're paying inflation, not quality or specs. That's why over here in Europe, we pay 1625 Euros for this guitar wich is 1780 Dollars.
Totally agree regarding the binding
Or maybe have neck binding,
Don't get me wrong, I love Gibsons, and love the idea of a thin light weight body and matching headstock is very cool also! Hopefully they will add some shiny finishes .
That is a 600$ guitar at most
I totally approve of lighter weight, thinner Les Pauls with a waist cut. But I do want them to have binding on the body, too. I'd like to see the Custom given the lite treatment.
@ihateyourguts 😬
@ihateyourguts, yeah a wierd comment about a guitar. I hope they make an Andrew Tate style guitar for the macho incels out there
The no binding is a let down really. The positive is that I can round the edges when I get it.
@@frankwebster9110 *Schecter has entered the chat*
Jk I love schecter
Tbf tho, this is a step below a Studio, and Studios don't have binding either so no way this would ever qualify for binding. Honestly they need to rebrand this as a Studio Lite because that's exactly what it is.
I like the weight relief and new colors. But no inlays is a deal breaker.
I agree completely
That was my biggest gripe as well. A Gibson should have trapezoids or blocks. Dots on a Les Paul look so cheap to me.
That wouldn't have cost much more
I agree that they should have left the pickguard in the case with the poker chip.
"Can make it look cheap.... but that's not always a bad thing".....🤔
Guitar prices have softened quite a bit lately. I was able to get my new Les Paul Studio a few months ago for $1520. I wanted this particular Studio because it weighed 7lbs.7oz. While it's just a bit brighter than a heavier one, it sounds great and plays really well. I prefer the sound of the lighter ones myself, especially playing in a raucous band, a little brighter tone balances and cuts through better. Still sounds like a Les Paul though. Standing with it for a few hours is delightful compared to my heavier guitars. These new Modern Lites look like a lot of fun. I imagine their tone without the maple cap may sit somewhere between an SG and a Les Paul and that's a pretty cool tonal niche to be sitting in, I think. I bet you could get one of these Modern Lites for well below list price at some point if not right away.
I think the best "lite" weight, affordable LP they ever did was the studio lite series in the 90s.
Still got a tobacco burst finish, natural binding, carved top, maple top, full thickness but much lighter weight by having a balsa core, ebony fretboard, and trapezoid inlays.
Just perfect. It's still my main guitar
It's a great option for somebody who's got back issues I really think they missed with not offering white,TV yellow,or cherry also it's hard for me to believe Gibson isn't making a $1,000 profit off each one of these if not it's got to be close not in favor of them discontinuing the Tribute for this so they can sell these !!
Would love to see it with white/cream plastics
Good idea
I think calling this the "Modern Lite" (instead of just "LP Lite" or something else) was a mistake if it's not gonna share ANY specs with the full-fat Modern. I was expecting coil splitting at least; that skinnier nut width woulda been cool, too.
I'd like to see them take this platform and do more with it!
Id like a CASE For 1500 .00 !!!!!
Same homie
@@user-gf2nd2ig1y The Greeny Epiphone is going to be like 1500 and come with a case but 1500 for a Gibson and it doesn't come with a case makes no sense to me
I don’t understand the want for cases.
I want more AT this price point...good GOD!
The first 30 seconds of your tone demo on this guitar are the best I've seen you do yet:
A short. simple riff played exactly the same on each pickup setting in quick succession so that you get a good reference without losing track of what you heard from sample to sample.
Keep doing it like that, man.
i don't think i'll be trading in my 2021 LP tribute any time soon. First of all i'm not a fan of solid color guitars, my LP tribute weighs 6.94lbs so it's not a heavy weight either, trapezoid inlays instead of dots. I swapped the volume pots for CTS push/pull pots on the pcb (easy swap and the necessary holes for coil split are in the pcb) and gave it a set of burstbuckers (with quick connectors) i found online. sounds much better in my opinion and even with the replaced pots and burstbuckers price added up to the tribute's price it was all in all still cheaper than the Modern Lite.
dang u found a light one nice!
After 10 back surgeries I’m all for a lighter weight guitar!
Yeah, I've had 6, but agree completely.
6 for me, too. Wish I could get just the body of this and put my own pickups, tuners etc and have it done in limed tv yellow.
Mexican Fenders are running up to $1300 with no gigbag or anything with it. With that in mind, $1500 for this doesn't seem so bad.
Personally, I'll stick to shopping used instead
I bought a great playing Mexi Strat, brand new, for $379 about 20 years ago. Wish I had bought more of them.
@@Wasteoftime10 yeah i think i paid under 400 too when i bought mine a lie time ago. think it was an 04
Nice looking guitar. At $8-900 it would be a good deal.
At this price it's a joke.
Exactly
Looking at that shitty paint I'm thinking $500 max
You can get a China guitar for $300 with gorgeous paint and polishing, and spend $200 on neck/fret setup and a couple pickups and have a guitar with better looks, better neck, and better sound that this thing.
@wizrom3046 but if you go to sell it it will only fetch $250-300 max and will always be a Chinese guitar. Not that there is anything wrong with that just saying
@@jonathanhudak2059 well, I dont buy a guitar and spend good money making it play like a superb guitar, just to try and sell it to some fool on ebay lol...
Don't buy into the brand name BS, Gibson/Fender etc are not worth a third of the money the shops sell them for.
$1,500 for one of these? NO FARKIN WAY! :)
It’s worth it. A 7 pound guitar made in USA to help the local economy . I would never buy those other Gibson models weighing 9 pounds. That’s crazy
@ramencurry6672 it absolutely isn't, these are terrible guitars
In the '80s Hondo II did a range of les paul copies that looked just like this. Even down to the colours.
Anything more than $999 is insane . . . Even that's questionable compared to what $1000 will get you today in a guitar. But it's a Gibson so I know it wouldn't be less than that either.
Looks like a Studio to me.
Way too expensive for what it is. You can get a used classic for that .
I am thinking Deal With It
I like 60 and have been pretty minimal all my living years. Consider downtime. Catching up. It is a gigging society and not every body is not lucky. There are also those magical disappearing jobs. Don't ! Know ! About ! YOU !!! I have experienced a few of these. Life's been good though right?
For that price you get 2 Yamaha Revstar standard. Which are probably superior in every conceivable way.
@@MarkTurner-vs7ucAbsolutely. The used market right now is amazing.
Got an LTD EC1000 in same body style - Seymour Duncan pickups, locking tuners, stainless steel frets, tonepros bridge and tailpiece etc - for $1000 with the hard case included. Plays and sounds amazing. Gibson is crazy trying to sell this at that price point given the outstanding alternatives that are available now.
GIBSIN SUUUUUUCKS...ESP/LTD RULES
better yet get a used LTD EC1000 for $500-600
I like satin finishes but I'm not crazy about open pore. Feels like I'm going to get a splinter from the neck. 😂 I kinda like these guitars though. If they were closer to $1,000 I'd be more inclined to buy one.
Exactly
I like this better than the Studios and the "Tribute"-style guitars. The Modern feature set works better with lower end guitars that don't necessarily require binding to look good.
Since it's a modern collection, maybe Gibson should put an acces heel on it
I dig those 2014 melody makers. I got lucky and bought the tv yellow for around 500 bux when they first dropped
490/498 is literally the worst set of pickups Gibson offers. It's a slap in the face to us consumers that they continue to use them in all of their lower price offerings. The new '61 SG is the first model I would consider buying because it at least has Burstbuckers.
You have reason!!
For $200 less I would buy a LP Tribute. They have trapezoid inlays and faux binding.
Best get in there quick before they get discontinued…then reintroduced in a couple of years for $2000! 😂
@@paulburton5150 No need, I have a 1960's standard in unburst I bought new in 2022. I also have high end Epiphones with Gibson electronics including the 1959 Standard made in conjunction with the Gibson custom shop.
@@paulburton5150your so right, Sweetwater has none and only a few left at other online retailers, $1500 will be the new entry point I'm afraid.
I will keep my '91 Studio Lite in Heritage Cherry Sunburst.
What do you think yours is worth today?
Reminds a bit of the early 90s les paul studio LITEs those were 7 pounds and had am actual full finish they are so nice
I know this sucks, but I think this is the new entry level price for Gibson. It makes the top-of-the-line Epiphones become a little more valuable as they are right at that price.
In 2014 I bought my 120th anniversary Gibson SGJ with almost identical specs to this for under $500 brand new. It's genuinely insane.
Bingo. KKR wants those profits from Gibson Division.
These make a great argument for an Eastman, or any similar builders...
If I didn't already have a Studio, I'd consider the red one. Be nice to have the option of 'less money with no bag'. And 'no screw hole when you remove the pick guard'.
I quite like the finish though.
I prefer the wine red the Studio is available in, but taste is subjective
The Tributes were way better, but I’m glad to see they have the same gig bags, which add great.
The thinner body reminds of the L6-S, they were comfortable to play.
I tried one recently (black, humbuckers). A big, chunky neck, which I quite liked and the most brilliant sound you could hope for.
Thanks. Super informative.
I have the 5lb 12oz one featured here in the video. I’ve added a USA Bigsby with vibramate, raw nickel humbucker covers, walnut humbucker rings, walnut tone and volume knobs, and strung up with flat wounds. So it’s no longer 5lbs 12oz. But if you want it, it’s for sale.
I like the colors but a bit expensive!
Would you be able to fit push pull coiltap pots in a body that thin?
What strap are you using in this video, please? Thanks, great review!
Hey how close is it sound wise to an SG? Never liked SGs feel wise but love the sound
Hi Trogly.
Not a complaint, but when you mention the color "Inverness " green, it always sounds odd. The correct way to pronounce it is inverNEss with the emphasis on the "n" and"e" instead of inVERness. Semantics yes, yadda yadda..
Again, not complaint . Love the show.
Carlo (Fife, Scotland)
Hardwired cool kind of helps explaining the cost plus the veneer on the headstock helps keep the in place (I don't think all Gibsons have a notch for the nuts) the Grovers are a plus and the neck being on the wide side as you observed string spacing is critical when they reach the area of the pickups, the strings really should drape over the pole pieces center. Plus the width creates a margin on the side of the neck where one might experience pull off. All in all not bad
Holy crap Trog got some licks!!
id have to go with the studio.
Agree--pretty much a The Paul II from '96-'97 with a satin finish and different colors with a matching headstock.
Curious whether these have a discernible ridge where the fretboard meets the neck. I've had a Les Paul Tribute and still have a Les Paul Tribute Special P-90. On both those guitars, where the fingerboard meets the maple neck has an obvious ridge on both sides. Even a $300 Pacifica doesn't suffer from that.
You brought your chops! If I needed another LP I would consider this one. Thanks for your efforts.
I recently saw one of these in a local guitar shop in my area that had a tv wheat finish and tried it out. I was definitely surprised at how lightweight it was as well as its smoothness with the satin finish. It definitely played better than most satin guitars I’ve played prior. The only thing keeping me from really wanting it isn’t really the price actually. I’m just personally not that good with single cut guitars as opposed to double cuts which is not limited to Gibson. As much as I like Les Pauls getting up to the higher frets is my Achilles heeI with those guitars unless I was every able to afford one of the Axcess models or even a regular modern. As a result I tend to lean towards SGs.
This is very much like a single cut SG in weight. The SG upper access is so great compares to any gibson single cut to be sure. The single cuts have their place.
I bought the cardinal red one. The color and matching headstock are quite striking in person, but I do agree it is overpriced by about $250-300. That said, it's a joy to play because of its light weight, non-sticky neck, and great sound. I can see this one getting played more than some of my other heavier, more expensive Les Pauls just because it's so grab-n-go.
I used to have a The Paul 2. It was a great guitar.
I just got This Yesterday, and while i KNOW absolutely NOTHING about Les Paul guitars in general, it has always been a Dream of mine to OWN a Les Paul by Gibson. Right place Right time. i am a Proud owner. Now to learn how to play... LOL
Do you think a gibson explorer will fit in that deluxe soft case?
I think the sound range from it would be versatile for any music genre
Seems like just a different version of the Studio in different colors. Sounds good though, Ive always liked the 498/490 pick ups. Still sounds like a gibson.
I Thought I might not like it at first. But I actually kind of like this model now that I have seen it. I love the color and I love the matching headstock. I like the fact that it's a stripper model with the dot inlays too. I think I could live without the binding too. My best friend's first good guitar was a used Les Paul studio I believe probably from the 1980s. I'm figuring that because he bought in the early 1990s. It was a pearl white color and dot inlays possibly even an ebony fretboard. It was a cool guitar and his workhorse for many many years. I could see myself buying one of these. If I was in the market for another guitar and wanted a different kind of Les Paul.
At $900-999 this would be a cool buy. Even at that there are superior guitars from other manufacturers but people will pay more for less from an American manufacturer. A Les Paul weighing in as a SG is a HUGE plus for me (back issues).
They should have kept the block inlays. Otherwise, I'd rather have a studio. If I wanted a Melody Maker I'd get that.
These should have a better headstock angle and a scarf joint, maybe some stainless steel frets too, then it would be modern
I’d do a higher end version with PRS like top and scraped binding, bound neck and abalone inlays / headstock inlay.
There's also the les Paul "smartphone exotics" that were around I think in the 90s. Seems to be like a deluxe version of this one.
Do these have neck dive issues like an SG ?
$200 more for a full size studio...
I like the studio better.
Hurray got the Inverness Green! What a gorgeous finish. Thanks for the review Trogly!
These companies selling $1000+ guitars with a gig purse is just wrong. PRS is the worst one doing this. Even the 59 epi les paul and SG come with a hard case. I will not buy a guitar over a grand without a hard case. Specially thru the mail.
lol, gig purse. Never heard that one before. That's funny.
$2000 here in Canada!
I like this as a basic beater guitar that's always with you in case inspiration strikes. Lightweight, simple, no trem to worry about. It looks more "woody" than some of the ESP LTD single-cut models I've tried. I wish Gibson would come out with some darker colours though... feels like they do anything to keep the cheaper models away from the Custom look.
Guitars and Case prices both went up ! I did snag some good black Friday deals 👍
I have LP Classic LITE from AMS and love it. now i need Gibson LP Standard LITE now. good things come in pairs.
They should have put block inlays. Dot's kinda make it cheap looking. Beginner.
I once had a Gibson Sonex which has a similar shape and finish to this guitar.
These remind me of a fancy version of the M2 S series Les Pauls that sold for like $499 new. Except for $1000 more.
AMS used to create this guitar as a Les Paul Classic Lite. Now that had 57 Classic Pickups and a flame maple top available in black or burst for $2K. So this with stripped down paint and different pickups, I think seems fair. I think it being around the same price as a SG special seems right to me. SG Special does give fret binding. I am really on light guitar kick, so for me, this is a good Les Paul option. Epiphone muse is probably a good option, sure you could find Les Paul types for less. Michael Kelly has a light version for less with Seymour Duncans in it. I will say, Gibson pickups usually sound better than the lower priced options - unless they have Duncans or whatever.
I love it. I have a special that is a bit too heavy at times and I don't want to buy into another back breaker, this one fits the bill. I like that satin type open pore finish as well. Mini grovers will get replaced 1st thing but otherwise it's a great little guitar. Even at that price, which is high, I think it gets a green light.
For 950 I would grab one. Add the axcess cutaway, I’m in at 1000, add the exp headstock, I’ll pay MAP! Epiphones cost this nowadays, the market is upside down.
Tort on there would be a nice complement
No inlay, no binding, no case, no way
"gives it a cheapish vibe" ... sorry trogley, it is DEFINITELY a bad thing on a $1500 guitar.... Gibson getting greedy . tributes should stay.
Im betting this is the "replacement" for their LP special tributes that were at like a 899-999 price point
I want one of these or a regular studio with P90 in it factory made. That would sell tons.
NEEDS Binding to set it off...especially at the ambitious price.
I love it! It would be nice to see a maple top on a thinner mahogany body also to keep the full LP experience the same, but cut down on the weight.
For that price you could get a signature custom Epiphone LP like a greeny and it will have a hard shell case
That’s the first time I’ve heard of the Epi Greeny being described as a better deal than another guitar. Though yeah I’d agree tbh, the Greeny is just better spec’s and even has a Gibson headstock.
If it didn’t have dot inlays it would be perfect.
trapezoids would be nice!
@@Trog right, hopefully we get other iterations!
Do they stay in tune?
I am of the opinion that no matter how nice the finish, a pick guard helps a guitar look better. That is, my opinion.
Seems like a fun guitar to play. Looks awesome. Sounds great too !
Basically the Les Paul Studio Lite, done from 90-98, redone for 2023.
Another Gibson model that has the same thin body is the Les Paul CM
Wish it had some other inlays.
I had a Custom Light and really dug it but it didn't differentiate itself from my SG enough.
Thing sounds really good
I am intrigued by what you said about the goddess series. I have a 1972 SG standard, and it has a neck width of 1.56 inches.
I’d like to find another guitar with that specifications of neck.😊
Btw how did the LP with the broken neck sound better ,is it the pick ups?
Im sad to see the tributes go but I get why there cant be a $1300 gibson when epiphones are now peaking at $1500
So as a guy who grew up playing the Epiphone Les Paul 100 which was a thinner LP offering from Epiphone this guitar, now that I've had it a few days? really reminds me of what Gibson woulda did with the LP100 had it been under their house instead of Epiphone.
I like the slim body and satin finish of mine and my trusty LP100 is now my backup axe for gigging with the rock band.
In my country, Thomann prices are higer for the Lite than the Studio.
I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the PCB wiring harnesses are to big/thick to fit in a slimmed down LP? Might also explain the lack of coil splitting, those push/pull pots might not fit in there either
I had thought that too, but looking at it and knowing the SG Standard has a pcb... I just don't think it is the case
@@Trog maybe it’s a long shaft vs short shaft thing?