Abortion Doctor Is Killed In Church | Law & Order
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Dr. Walter Benning, an abortion provider, is killed in church.
From "Dignity" (Season 20, Episode 5): When Dr. Walter Benning (Guest Star Matthew Boston) is killed in church, Detectives Lupo (Jeremy Sisto) and Bernard (Anthony Anderson) arrive at the scene and are informed a white male was seen fleeing in a dark sedan. The minister (Guest Star Michael Hollick) tells the detectives that Dr. Benning was a late-term abortion doctor and had been shot at before and threatened many times; and his wife, Phyllis Benning (Guest Star Tracy Sallows), is convinced it is a pro-life zealot who is responsible.
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Well that isn't very pro-life of them.
@Smokey Mcb
A- abortion aint murder
B- Where do pedophiles come into this
@Smokey Mcb I think he meant that it goes against the church to kill in general, not the legality of it.
I agree, but you probably use thw same reasoning.
For example, would you have killed hitler to save lives?
Likewise, the abortionist killer would likely to reasoning "If i kill the person who is killing a lot of innocent lives, then that saves those lives".
In reality it doesnt though and those same people at fetal stage of their life would likely be killed by someone else anyway.
@Rich D No it isn't.
@Rich D you deserve the chair like that killer in the episode that killed someone in a church. monsters like you don't deserve rights
Anti-abortion but willing to end someone's life. I love the irony
@@Shockkings0714 Abortion is a choice, the women should get killed too then. Shes just as complicit in murder, as the doctor is. He would literally have no one to abortion, if women were more wise about who they let slide in. And before you bring up g(rape), just know that fewer than 3% of abortion cases are from g(rape). Most women get abortions to absolves themselves of their poor life choices.
By that logic someone will need to kill the man who shot the doctor, because he’s now a murderer. And then the “cycle” of vengeance continues
@@Shockkings0714 if you are pro life, then you are pro life. There isn’t pro-pick and choose
@@alessandrajackson3768 You’re comparing murderers and rapists to innocent children 🤣
@@Shockkings0714 You can’t pick and choose to fit your narrative. You’re either pro life for all people or not at all.
“I’m not a killer, I’m a science teacher”
I happen to know a certain science teacher who has a prolific body count
Walter White?
@@Shockkings0714 thought of him too LOL
Jesse we need to cook
Waltuh
"But you know the business and I know the chemistry..."
"We ask you to open your minds..."
Poor choice of words father.
You know what reduces abortions: good sexual education, free contraception, free or cheap or understanding pre and postal natal care with good child support. Being ‘pro-life’ without supporting the above is stupid.
Most of the time they aren't pro-life
They're pro-birth
They don't care what happens to the child after it's born
@@purpleishpanda Not true, Pro abortion people support abortions even after the child is born. Something they claim is false yet they say they support regularly.
@@purpleishpanda lmfao Satan get ready for roe to be overturned
Contraception is satanic it was invented by the nazis that and the abortion drug. You WILL be put in jail soon with the SCOTUS and you will be doing life for playing God😎😎😎🎊🇺🇸✊🏻✊🏾✊🏿✊🏼🎉🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@siegelink9549 what are you on I have never once in my life heard anyone but you say that
We had a case in the Buffalo, New York area where an abortion provider was murdered in his own home by a virulent anti-abortion activist. Personally, I would never have an abortion, but I would never force it on anybody else.
>"I'm pro life."
>Kills doctor.
I remember saying "never" because I thought I was immune from pregnancy, and morally superior to others. Somehow I wasn't the selfish self-absorbed and cruel inhumane promiscuous woman who would.
And I was pressured by mum into having one just before my HSC exams.
Those beliefs about myself and my signature on the consent to surgery, really phuq'd me up for decades
This type of holier than thou support is really judgement.
I regret having ever said it, because abortion is one of those decisions that you never really know what you will do, until you do it.
@@KristiContemplates lmfao excuses Lucifer you know you’re going to spend eternity in the lake of fire for what you did this is why the guy in Buffalo got it!! 😎
@@pebblepod30 lmfao you contradicted yourself worm
@@pebblepod30 well too bad we now control the courts I’m protecting those who can’t protect themselves and to jail YOU GO✊🏼✊🏿✊🏻🙄😎
Okay, but the baby's case of Ehler's Danlos Syndrome must have been one of the more rare, severe kinds because I have EDS and the only thing I have to worry about is making sure I go to bed with pillows supporting my arms, if I don't, I run the possibility of waking up with my arms dislocated from their socket. I've had to reset my shoulder a few times, myself.
On the other hand, I know of a girl who was wheelchair bound, not because she couldn't walk, but because her neck could slip out of place, internally decapitaing her.
@Hitler Loves Anime u crazy
Someone commented that the disease described is a baby who skin tears when you barely touch it. I don’t know the name of the disease but I think shows like this should be very careful because now some people may want abortions for Ehlers-Danlos and like you said it’s very manageable. And there are so many degrees of it that they wouldn’t have time to go into it on a show like law and order
I was thinking the same thing. I have a few friends that have EDS and most of them just have to be careful when they walk as there hips will sometimes move out to far. Some shows don't do there research about conditions and just choose something not many people have heard of and go with it as it sounds severe.
Fellow hypermobile EDS. While it's a pain not having things sprain or sublux (right hip and left jaw for me :D ) I think there's a few types that also come with heart problems and are more severe?
@@kristen7948Yes, there's a cardiovascular subtype that can lead to blood vessels suddenly rupturing, leading to death, if memory serves (granted most of the research I did on EDS was back before they changed how they categorized the subtypes and so my info may be a bit out of date)
“That’s one security guard who just earned his minimum wage” that statement is too real lol
We can earn good money thank you. Security gets slept on as a field.
The acting of the wife is incredible. so on point. she cannot believe her husband is gone.
This is why murder is an abomination before the lord. To destroy what he has so preciously created is a sin regardless of what wrong you think was done. Assuming judgement for the lord is also a sin.
Sure are a lot of pseudo-Christian/catholic terrorists showing up in the comments here to support their misguided fetishism. Not wise on a google platform either considering how much they data mine information on you and willingly share it with the government.
his?
hold up
His..?
Think of it as a late-late term abortion.
“Her getting pregnant was my fault” i tell ya sherlock holmes, you are incredible 🙄
Not just the mans fault. It takes TWO to get pregnant!!
@@christianmama24 FACTS! DON'T GET PREGNANT! GET HYSTERECTOMY That's what I'm doing! I love myself and I ASEXUAL I don't have feeling at all!
@@jin-hyepark4252 that's difficult to do, most doctors won't do it on young women unless there is a direct need to.
@@jin-hyepark4252 I'm 33 I have two children 14 and 7. I'm nervous to get my tubes tied... I don't plan on any more children hell I don't even have a man lol... But if I ever got with someone I know how to use protection some females just do not care and I feel bad for the children in the long run because they're the ones that suffer..
@@christianmama24 You are correct but the semen came from the man, it always starts with the man.
Regardless of motivations, I’m pretty sure that murdering another human being in the middle of a sermon literally seconds after the priest says peace be upon you is about the most unchristian thing this guy could have conceivably done.
Nah, the Bible pretty clearly advocates for extremely violence against people who don’t follow its teachings.
There are some very real cases like this.
My grandfather told a story of a guy his brother knew who was pro life, years later he was shooting up an abortion clinic. I'm not sure if anyone was hurt but it really makes you think "how can someone so pro life want to take a life?"
edit: thank you for the likes. And to the people who believe my story is false, even if it was, that does not discredit other stories and documented cases where this does happen and in fact, happens frequently enough to be a pattern. not only shootings but threats of violence, bomb threats and even stalking of abortion doctors is not uncommon, especially recently.
This happens fairly often to various degrees. From shootings to bombings. Pro-lifers have also been known to write down license plates of people visiting clinics and stalk them.
Ever notice how a lot of pro life people also tend to support the death penalty because “the death row inmate made a choice, and the consequence was death”? Their belief in being pro life isn’t as extreme as their belief in vengeance.
The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
@Nazara R exactly, and killing people to supposedly save unborn children is not justice. If you truly care about life, then you would never even consider committing murder in the name of saving unborn lives because that is clearly insanity and a clear disconnect between motivation and action. You can’t claim to be pro life if you willingly commit murder.
@@nazarar7210 You'd be surprised how many people equate the two.
This episode is based off the real-life case of Dr. George Tiller, who was a women's health care provider that was murdered in church in May of 2009.
Thank you for letting me know!
I figured
Thanks for the info
Tiller murdered unborn babies? He was an abortionist? This is a sick propaganda piece. No, Tiller shouldn't have been murdered, even if he murdered babies. It is never admissible to do an evil for a good cause. It is never permissive to kill anyone.
@@classicalteacher that law and order for you always ripping from the headlines.
I am pro-choice, but I was incredibly uncomfortable about the idea of 3rd trimester abortion (that genuinely disturbs me), heck even the second trimester seems too far along… that being said: when I heard that the woman’s baby had a condition that would cause them to go through a great deal of pain and have a high risk of death… I can understand wanting an abortion. As disturbing as a 3rd trimester abortion seems to me, letting a child go through that kind of suffering seems far worse to me.
I wish pro-life people could be brought in front of babies that had no choice but to be born with horrible conditions, just so they can see what “pro-life” can sometimes look like.
I agree with every word of yours. I am pro-choice but I think the decision of abortion should be made as early as possible. But when there is serious health problem with the baby or the women, then exceptions should be granted.
I absolutely agree. I'm pro choice all the way, and I feel the same about late term abortions. I also think that late term abortions should only be done if either the foetus or the parent is in danger of death/low quality of life and that abortions should be done as soon as possible.
abortion after 20 weeks usually has to deal with the health and welfare of the mother and or child being compromised. Meaning life threatening if the pregnancy continued.
It makes me queasy too but I’m ok with other than just babies with problems too. I learned most women who have late term abortions are from poor communities where getting to an abortion clinic takes a ten hour drive and so much money for hotels and everything. It often takes until 20 weeks to get there. If we eliminated late term abortion the poor women of America would suffer even more. Rich women just fly off to other countries
@@Proudnerd2013 ah. that's terrible. i forget that abortion clinics aren't something that is easily accessible for a lot of people.
I love the small amount of extra characterization we see from the Pastor in this moment. When the gunshot rings out he may duck, but then he runs straight toward the sound.
This case is based on the death of George Tiller, or maybe better known as "Tiller the Killer." His kids actually went to my school and my parents knew him. It was extremely shocking when it happened of course, but even weirder to see it played out on Law and Order.
How does an abortionist have kids
@@alexandergapour1253
On purpose.
Unlike much of the redneck trash that view women the same way the Saudi's do.
@@alexandergapour1253 how does a science denier go online? 🤔
@@amandasunshine2 What I meant to say is isn't it against his principles to have kids anyway
@@alexandergapour1253what is so hard to understand that the abortion doctor choose to have kids...those who saw him as patients..chose to not have the kids....
I would like to point out that when someone has a 3rd trimester abortion it's normally because they wanted the baby, but for some reason birth would not be the best choice for the mother and/or the baby. One example is the baby and/or mother may die during or soon after birth and a c-section would not be a good substitute for natural birth.
@Smokey Mcb Not everyone is religious, and not all religions follow the same values of yours. Don't force other people to abide to your ideologies, because I'm sure you'd be extremely upset if someone forced you to act a certain way in the name of their god.
@Smokey Mcb That child was either going to die anyway or live a short life and suffer intensely outside of the womb...or both the mother and the child would die. Like, an abortion is totally justified in that case. There is no saving in that case, you're just needlessly endangering the woman.
@Smokey Mcb bro what???
If you think we should risk a mothers life because of the baby then we must also agree that forced and mandated organ donation should be enforced nation wide.
Every person with a organ they can give MUST give it then. Otherwise it would be murder to not do it.
Also mandated blood donations.
You have enough blood to give so you have to give it because some people die because there is not enough blood around at the moment.
Also mandated skin donations.
You can regrow your skin on your legs and calfs easily but some burn victims desperatly need skin transfers to survive and at the moment not every clinic has a skin bank.
If you object to any of these you are an accesory to MURDER!!
@Smokey Mcb what r u smoking bro LMAO
u think anyone willingly carries out a pregnanyc for months, prepares for a baby and then out of no where decides to get an abortion? if that baby is going to die during childbirth or shortly after, why tf would u want to prolong its and the mother's suffering?? also why should the mother risk her life??
@Smokey Mcb If you know the mother is going to die during the pregnancy, and you choose not to abort, then you're responsible for her death. You know, just like a murderer.
In many (most?) countries you can be charged for not helping someone, and this especially applies to doctor who neglect their patients and let them die.
It's amazing how many people are willing to misuse their beliefs to justify killing someone they don't like and feeling righteously indignant about it. I guess it never occurs to them to maybe not be so selfishly childish and think that their beliefs are the only ones that matter or should be used to create society. As if none of our beliefs mean anything and that they can just ignore us and what we think about it. If you're against abortion then don't get one, but that's where your rights and privileges end, everyone else is free to do as we please with our bodies thanks.
True, but it is exactly the common argument as "I will kill someone to stop them killing even more humans". In reality, a new person usually replaces them, and that whole side of the war feels more righteous & more like a victim or like their own evil is fighting evil and justified.
Also, both me and you were once a human Zygote, then a human fetus, then baby, toddler, teen, adult. We can only consent later on.
At what point would you kill someone?
Or stop another person from killing someone or many people?
Notice our privilege in not being killed in our mother's womb?
It's not good imo, but also in line with common beliefs that lots of people have about justifying killing others.
A doctor killing hundreds, thousand a of full term babies? Yeah shooting him dead makes perfect sense. Genocidal madman dead. Less dead babies. 🤷🏽♂️
There is another body with different DNA within a pregnant woman. Killing the unborn baby isn't euthanasia, it's murder.
The difference between pro-choice and pro-life people are that pro-choice folks only dare to pick fights and kill people that are much smaller and weaker than them. Pro-life people advocate contraception to avoid conception, there is no loss of life in the absence of it.
Tell that to the dead babies.
And I take it you feel the same way about forced vaccinations?
That doctor and that mother were helping that poor child. If y’all know anything about that disease, living with it is a nightmare. I would never force a child to live a long life of constant pain.
Yeah. The parents aren't the ones that have to live with the decision.
No, you can see several videos about kids with those conditions. They are all extremely grateful and contempt with their lives. You are all just savages with a bloodlust for infants using whatever you can latch onto as an excuse for your savagery. Animals. So don’t cry when you get put down like animals.
I live with elhers-danlos syndrome. It's hard but you carry on. Yes it's a horrible condition but you just learn to live with it unfortunately. I'm happy most of time. I can do things most people do just in different ways.
@@jadehobbs6648 the baby killers won’t like you saying this. Good for you though not letting them use you as a prop to satisfy their bloodlust and childishness/fear of responsibility
If I were the baby I would want to live.
It showed him pulling out his gun, then you immediately hear “peace be with you.” Yeah he kept his piece with him
1st that baby would be born in agony and die soon after birth in all likelihood if the baby survives birth.3rd term abortions only happen in extreme circumstances. You would not leave even a dog or cat in such agony. But it's okay to do that to an infant? This is a tough medical choice and should be between the parents and a doctor.
Between the mother and the doctor
Funny, the Nazis made the same argument. Look up T4.
Ehlers Danlos Syndrome is not at all how you described it. Its a medical condition that causes issues but no one would consider Euthanizing a child for it. Look it up if you want to actually know what it is before assuming.
@@kogorgalogor772 really depends on how bad the EDS is, super progressed you might as well just let the child die honestly. Living a life of suffering is not something fit for a child.
Abortionists ARE NOT DOCTORS.
I recall this being posted before, including the wrong syndrome name. What's described is epidermolysis bullosa, also known as "butterfly children" because it causes their skin to be as fragile as butterfly wings.
Ehrlers Danlos is a defect in collagen production and there are many varieties of it just as there are many varieties of collagen. Fragile skin is a known symptom of certain ED subtypes, especially ones that involve type I collagen which is the predominant form of collagen found in the skin.
@@semantik95 As someone who has hEDS and possible vEDS thank you for your comment. I was gonna say similar
@@PatriceGrint What was the point of going through medical school if I can't correct random youtube comments?
And 95% of those diagnoses are wrong and the babies turn out fine
They could have meant EB, but in Ehlers danlos, the rarer types can have this complication. I in fact have it myself. It is not AS fragile as those with EB, but I have constant skin infections, get sores from seams in clothing, medical adhesive rips off layers of skin, my scars rupture with just pressure, etc.
Saved his grandsons life? All three seconds of it being filled with incredible pain and discomfort, forced onto a mother that admitted she wouldnt be able to help the child?
But at least they can pat themselves in the back
I love how this is edited at 1:16 with the screaming still overlayed when the cops walk in, makes it look like the dude gets shot in the head and 5 seconds later this cop knows exactly who he is and what happened and swaggered into the church to let everyone know
Instead of enforcing heavy abortion laws, if the Christian ruled states increased sexual education, provide contraception and teached how to use them and made kids know more about the stuff, unwanted pregnancies would be reduced by a LOT.
That's true, but a good Adoption system would also save a lot of lives too. Especially "Open Adoption". I know someone who did it & her & her kids like it.
In Australia we seem to havea pretty decent open adoption system and it is much cheaper & easier than IVF.
I would like to do it in the future too, esp with the added bonus of saving a life and a trauma.
All of the ppl i know who have "aborted" their child, or their partner did, seem traumatized by it.
Unfortunately, contraception of any form is frowned upon in many churches. It is believed that preventing a pregnancy isn’t god’s will and is not “natural”. Instead, they mindlessly advocate for abstinence.
What are Christians ruling? The Bible has been kicked out of schools and now the ones in charge want to sexualize little children. That goes against everything the Bible teaches.
But that sort of thing would _invalidate those religions_ in turn. The sad reality is that the fundies in those countries would rather have the world _burn_ then become invalidated.
@@pebblepod30 Lmao lets see how many good christians will foster or adopt...
Love Law and Order but Ehlers Danlos causes skin tearing in very few people, it belongs to the rarer category of EDS. Most of us are hypermobile or flexible and suffer dislocations. It is a connective tissue disorder that affects the strength of your skin and joints, 'the lightest touch' applies to less than about 5% of cases. Makes me mad to see how mis-diagnosed/treated we were back in the day but also glad to see how far we have come.
While I agree with your point on the disorder's (mis)representation, you also stated that what they represented exists. So, it's not really a misrepresentation; even if the 'lightest touch' is incredibly rare-- it exists and so the show did nothing wrong here.
@@kendrayoung6237 It's not even incredibly rare. 1/20 is pretty common and it is a death sentence. The fact is that some conditions that could be diagnosed in utero back then could not be diagnosed until very late in pregnancy, the same is true today, and that does sometimes put parents in extremely difficult situations. Everyone is not prepared to raise a different or disabled child much less a profoundly so one. My parent's were not and I was only just barely on the autism spectrum.
@@KenS1267 Thanks for replying and giving some more information. You are absolutely correct and I’m sorry if your parents unpreparedness affected you negatively. Hope you’re all well now (notwithstanding your disorder)?
@@kendrayoung6237 I'm quite well, now.
I just had the bad luck to be born in the late 1960's, not be neurotypical and have two parents who had never finished high school and quickly went from baffled to angry to violent in the face of a kid who was not like their others and couldn't be made to be like them.
@@KenS1267 Yeah, the past is full of ignorance. I'm glad you're well
Ask anyone who calls themselves pro-life what they would think of their tax dollars being used to help impoverished children, and you'll see just how pro-life they truly are.
Siri, which organization leads in charity work?
I'm pro life and I'm all for that. In fact I believe that's where tax dollars belong rather than buying bombs to drop on foreign countries in order to kill their children. But our government is too crooked to care about that.
@@Yzzami The Catholic Church.
@@OnettBoyXD actually no, a quick google church shows that other organisations like feeding america are at the top, catholic charities following behind in the 13th position. So that is actually a blatant lie.
@@OnettBoyXD Wow that's a weird way of saying the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation
All these political comments but here’s a fun fact we can all enjoy: the actor who plays the minister is the same guy who voice acted Niko Bellic in GTA 4
i’m not the only one that noticed!
Same here omg 😳
Just watched the video again and omg I can hear the Niko Bellic in his voice but of course without the Slavic accent
Oh my god I can hear it
Hopefully they didn’t screw him over on his paycheck
hate how there’s no separation between church and state. that goes against our constitution. religion shouldn’t have the right to interfere with science or anything
Ok now how are the to not seperated
You know that science is the one that teached us that life begins at conception right ?
By your logic, science is anti abortion. Lol.
@@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy science doesn't teach that. It states first breath as life.
@@HappyMarshmallowGamingComedy The earliest anyone can actually argue that life starts is when the fetus develops sentience, which doesn't develop until 18 to 25 weeks of pregnancy. Any other opinions are not based on science.
@@mariavi33 25 weeks?? Are u on drugs?????
Surely "abortionist" is a terrible way to describe him. Wasn't he A DOCTOR? This feels quite victorian, back when your barber also did your abortions.
Edit: For clarity, the title of this video when it was uploaded said "Abortionist". It has since changed it to "Abortion Doctor", which, while not perfect, does communicate that this is a medical professional who provides abortions. I welcome the change to the title. "Doctor who provides abortions is killed in church" would probably be better.
I have received a lot of hate for calling them out on this, and I would like to say that if you disagree with the idea that people should have access to legal terminations of pregnancy because god loves everyone, even unborn foetuses, then hating me is not going to change how I or anyone feels. I suggest you try to understand our position first, with an open mind. Then, if you don't change your mind, then at least you'll be in a better position to change mine. You are welcome to try, so long as you are also open to having your own mind changed.
Barbers did abortions in the Victorian era?
@@b2kzangelalwayz I mean idk abt Victorian but maybe before that I’d believe it
@@b2kzangelalwayz Butchers did surgery and were good at it
Isn't that what they're called?
@@dfmrcv862 The point is that he a doctor, performing medical procedures. Not a sicko with a coat hanger in a dark alley. And such a term is definitely derogatory. I'm a mathematician, not a number-cruncher. Same deal. Doesn't matter than I work with numbers and you would know what I mean by the term. It's about showing some respect to the profession and the people who use his services.
I have EDS and this is a VERY severe form. Most of us don’t need around the clock care. It’s painful and I have doctors but nothing insane.
Someone took “We ask you to open our minds” a little too seriously😅.
I think the word you're looking for is "literally."
Anthony Anderson: he’s also wearing a bulletproof vest
Me: A bulletproof vest can’t save you from a head shot
Point is that the guy seemed like he was doing his best to prepare for any anti-abortion nutcases trying to off him. Guess he failed there though.
You got anymore mind blowing discoveries for us?
@@B-Mag Was that a pun lol
@@themajesticspider-man6116 not intentionally. I do see the humor in it tho
I mean he wanted to be safe but i don’t think you would wanna go to church in a Juggernaut Suit
Be like Batman, “If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world still remain the same.”
What if you kill 2 killers?
An abortionist kills a lot more than any serial killer.
What if you kill all the killers wouldn’t that mean you would reduce the number of killers in the world
no because if you kill 5, then the number is reduced by 4
@@peroxideconan7961 hey take it up with Batman. 🤷🏻♂️ I’d be fine to kill everybody who kills 🥷🏼
"I'll work 3 jobs if i have to" what kind of quality of life is this for either parents and child?
So what you are saying is that a persons livelihood should be prioritized over someone else's life? That sounds just like the same reasoning people used historically to justify slavery and genocide.
Pick your poison....Death or a hard life but with a possibility to go through it with the best outcome? Actually scratch that death or a possibility to have a good life?
@@n-0-1 dude thsi child would’ve been in constant pain. They will suffer for the rest of their lives. Ain’t no one wanna live like that
@@zainabaria6838 Everyone suffers at some point in their life. Shall we just exterminate the entire human population during birth to prevent that inevitable suffering?
@@n-0-1 “pointless suffering is fine with me as long as I can make sure people aren’t sinning against God.”
We get it. Be sure to give us sinners a big ‘I told you so’ when you’re sucking the D of the big G on his heavenly throne.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. Hail Thyself. Hail Satan.
With the way things are, especially now, I wouldn't be surprised to see more of this happening.
Killing murderers should be incentivized.
@@Foxrich99 you seem wholly unpleasant
I am pro-life, but it blows my mind that some people are so far pro-life that they are actually pro-death. Pro-life should mean that you advocate for ALL lives, including the person carrying the child. Pro-life should mean giving free contraceptives to everyone, including the poor and minorities. And we need free healthcare and easy access to healthcare. Parents should be able to get paid maternity and paternity leave for more than a few weeks. And we need to do something about the high mortality rate during child birth for the pregnant individual and the baby. A person's rights to proper healthcare to prevent pregnancy or to have a safe pregnancy shouldn't be based on how much money is in their bank account, the color of their skin, their culture, or the God they pray to (or don't pray to).
Especially the high mortality rate for childbirth, I feel like it’s not talked about enough and a big reason why many want to have an abortion, because why risk your life for a kid you don’t want/can’t have yet. And many anti abortion bans have killed so many mothers in childbirth since the doctors aren’t allowed to have the mother have an abortion during life threatening situation until the mother is actively dying (case in island for example that ended the abortion ban). That’s one big reason why I’ll always be pro choice.
However I’m from Sweden and in our country almost everything you listed is a reality and I think the anti or pro abortion can be talked about in an actual reasonable conversation but in the us when they don’t support mothers or free birth control or guaranteed maternity leave (so much more) it’s an absolute no and abortion should be accessible
Hey I've always had this question for pro life people. Do you think people should have abortions if the baby has a severe condition or if the mother is probably going to die at birth?
@@missclick7609 I used to think that it shouldn’t be considered in any situation, but now I think that if there’s no chance of mom or baby surviving or if it’s extremely high risk (etc ectopic pregnancy) or if the baby is extremely deformed past surviving then I think it should be considered. But as a form of birth control? Absolutely not.
Don't care, i'm still not voting for you.
@@froggykekinson4365 ok? Didn’t ask you to lol. Didn’t know I was up for voting.
Yo the Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome comment caught me off guard!
Despite it not being the most accurate statement, I still appreciate it more than I can say. Shows including this disorder help so many people learn about its existence.
except what they described wasn't EDS, EDS doesn't cause skin breakdown like that. People with EDS can live normal, happy lives and EDS isn't a reason to abort late-term
@@rockercaterrorencountered4924 You’re referring to Hypermobile EDS (hEDS). It’s the most common form. The show, however, is referring to either Cardiac-valvular EDS (cvEDS), or Vascular EDS (vEDS).
Both are rare. Both cause skin issues. Both can be very deadly to children. And they also require full-time care. Though it’s not specified, cvEDS is more likely to be the case for the child in question, as it does result in extremely thin, fragile skin.
It’s important to remember: just because you, personally, haven’t heard of something doesn’t mean the information being presented is automatically false.
I suspect they meant Epidermolysis bullosa, but I am wondering why they tested unless a previous baby had it
I have ehlers danlos syndrome. I've lived a normal until the last few years. Now i have daily joint dislocations, mast cell activation syndrome, gastroparesis and heart issues. But I was able to live a normal life up until my late 20s when I started having more serious health issues. I got injured a lot as a kid. I've got a 5 year old son and even though I now have a lot of issues and weekly specialist and physio appointment and losing my mobility as well as chronic pain I'm still happy and appreciate so much my better years but I'd give my left arm and leg to still be alive even with all the health issues
This was one of the more heavy ones I've watched. I won't spoil it but the episode touches all perspectives of the arguments.
The grandfather to be, is a very attractive man.
So is the priest.🤷🏿♀️🥰😉🤣
@@missladyanonymity definitely. I'd go to church if they were that attractive irl.
Hot gramps
@@missladyanonymity liýtý
Uncle Jessie sydrome
Oh man, what an episode, the writing, the act, everything is a masterpiece, I cry during the testimony but that ending monologue by Cutter really gave me chills, it's so perfectly delivered, ah I love this show so much.
Can you imagine how traumatising it can be to give birth to a baby that has such low chance of survival
Theres still a chance
@@Astronaire why would u want to bring a child into the world when it’ll be in pain 24/7 what kind of life is that
Are babies born only just to survive? Yes, it may have a chance of survival, but how is it gonna live? In pain forever? And not only the baby, how are the parents gonna live? This is not just about the baby, i sympathise with the parents. They will have this burden forever.
@@AstronaireYou people are ridiculous!!! You're against abortion but all for subjecting a baby to a life of pain and disability!!! Disgusting.
@@dreamhobbizEveryone has a cross to bear, life isn’t easy for everyone, but that’s no excuse to remove the choice to live from the people who have it hard(developing children in the womb)
I like the fact that the father Is played by Michael holick better know as niko bellic from GTA 4
How pro life of you to kill a doctor.
Pro-life is just another way of saying anti-murder. Killing is not necessarily wrong, but murder is always wrong. For example, killing a serial killer doctor is not wrong, but murdering innocent babies is.
@@n-0-1 So what I'm hearing is that killing people who are fully within the law to do what they do and who merely oppose your beliefs are deserving of being shot. Right. Wasn't that something the Germans did for a specific stretch of time in the mid-20th century?
@@n-0-1The doctor was murdered.
@@n-0-1 how is killing someone and murdering someone not the same thing?
@@Nowhere985 Killing a murderer is legally murder, but ideologically, killing a murderer shouldn't be murder. We kill murderers in the US btw.
I dislike how all suspects act super pompous, even the innocent ones.
Lies again? Baby Bonus
Gotta have those red herrings 😂
Pro-lifers in the comments literally making excuses for the man who shot the doctor is so on brand. 😂
@@kileak6 False equivalence.
@kileak6 you think this random guy is as bad as Hitler?? Get real
@@kileak6 Godwin's Law.
Where? Name it?
Guess he wasn't prepared for that late trimester abortion huh?
1:45 sometimes a bulletproof vest may be meaningless if an attacker aims at the head
2:04 never thought I’d see the day when Niko talks to cops
They should have an episode with the guys from GTA V. I saw them at New York Comic Con the year that game came out
I thought you were talking about Niko omilana 😂
Wow I had to look for episode to watch
has no one notice that the priest is the same voice actor of Niko Bellic in Grand Theft Auto IV?
Idk why but the wifes freak out in the beginning actually got to me.
She was a good actress
Interesting. Someone in the comments claimed California legalized post birth abortion and someone else believed them. So I commented by telling them how to do research on the subject and gave them the exact bill that is being misconstrued for them to read on their own. And for whatever reason, they immediately deleted my comment. Maybe it's because I referred to the claims as "crazy (expletive)", either way that's some crazy expletive.
Edit: I edited the comment to remove any curse words and they still deleted it. Apparently, the person affiliated with the show or peacock that is running this channel have an issue with educating people but don't have any issue with people posting lies that are dangerous to society.
If you used a link to somewhere outside UA-cam that might have gotten it deleted as well
Humans sacrifice has existed since the beginning and I don’t see it going away anytime soon
post-birth abortion Is actually a real thing in the US. If the baby survives an abortion they let the baby die.
@@isaachillman933 first of all, thats not true. Secondly, that's not what they mean by a "post-birth abortion." A post-birth abortion literally means what it says, actively killing a baby that is born. There's a social media post that goes around every couple of years about how is passing a bill that legalizes abortion up to 28 days AFTER birth. And every time, these pro life Maga fools believe it.
I just got this in my recommend videos which is funny because this is season 20 episode 5. Later today, the channel that shows law & order in my country is showing episodes 4, 6 & 7 but not 5 lol
I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. I got stretchmarks at age 8 that constantly tear. My joints dislocate and sublux. Dizzy all the time. Pain and vomiting.
I had to pause when I heard him say Ehlers Danlos syndrome, the very syndrome I have lmao. They didn't specify type but I have hEDS, and I do get smaller skin tears but only on my lower back which is burned due to heating pad usage for chronic pain. It's not a scary illness, just quite a bit annoying to live with depending on how unlucky you are with symptoms.
I did a double take when he said that. I also have hEDS and I was so confused when they acted like it was a death sentence. I agree though, EDS is a huge annoyance, but I wouldn’t go as far as saying it’s an automatic death sentence.
@@cieraanne7556 hello fellow zebra!
Definitely a huge annoyance, I’m disabled myself from the condition so 😣
Been rocking a cane this week as my knees have really tried their best to subluxate haha
But I remember looking up the episode when I originally posted my comment and it was very old so no wonder the information mentioned was very off.
Hope you’re having a decent day also! As only we zebras know how much it varies from day to day
They mixed up eds and eb (epidermylosis bullosa) otherwise known as butterfly skin disease
Me too
Yeah they have been putting up the wrong name.
Next part please
You'd never guess it, but that minister is the voice actor for Niko Bellic from Grand Theft Auto IV.
i hope real life detectives don’t make as many puns at a crime scene as these guys lmao
I interned at a police station under a detective. Not as loud and open but yes. He said it’s a way to dissociate from what they see day in and day out
Gallows humor. In such a dark and depressing situation you have to make your own light, no matter how morbid or you’ll go insane. Soldiers tend to have it too
I'm totally pro choice and support late term abortions in cases where the baby would suffer. That said, the medical info on this episode is severely lacking. Ehlers-Danlos syndrome does not cause that. It's a connective tissue disorder that causes joint issues (among other things) and it can't be diagnosed in a fetus. It can't even be diagnosed in infants or toddlers as far as I've seen. They meant epidermolysis bullosa (otherwise known as butterfly skin disease). Both can cause skin issues but only one is as severe as they are saying. They got EDS and EB mixed up.
that's what I was going to say
Lol I was just thinking this. I was like 🤔 that doesn't sound like EDS to me.
I support post Natal abortions that involve someone aggressing upon me.
I was thinking to myself, I thought EDS is what the drag queen Yvie Oddly has!
Pathetic Hippocrate you're againsts violence but you're for violence there's no such thing as moral killings
Halfway in I go back and I see that the kid could know someone that got the car and he went with them. How was I able to solve it like that.
that is possibly the most extreme case of LDS I have ever heard of like It gave me weak skin but dammm
This through me for a loop because the way the scene was set-up made it seem as if Dr was contemplating suicide!!
didnt this channel upload this clip already awhile ago
Weirdest thing for me was listening to Nico Bellic giving a sermon 😂
The most replayed section is just people going back to see if his eyes were truly closed
The music at the beginning had me thinking this was about to be a chef boyardee commercial
The pregnant character was also another pregnant character on Law & Order SVU just one year before this episode. It was the “pregnancy pact” episode. Quite sad at the ending too. It has a special guest star Jesse McCartney.
Did the murderer name this video?
Got randomly reccomended this... very interesting timing lol
Anyone gonna talk about how Niko Bellic from GTA 4 is the Father
Lmao was looking for a comment that mentions that.
I think they confused ehlers danlos syndrome with something along the lines of epidermolysis bullosa, but with the severity of something like osteogenesis Imperfecta type 2. I have not heard of joint hyper mobility being fatal for anyone.
That's what I was thinking as well, this doesn't sound like ehlers danlos
It’s episode like this that remind me not to be too religious in my beliefs. Yes I believe in god, heaven, hell, and the seven sins. But I try not to be to invested in church and gatherings like that out of fear of meeting one of those insane zealots who use god and religion to justify horrible acts like murder!!
You can be very invested in your faith without killing anyone. You are just a bad Christian
@Blake Bridges that is true.
If you let the chance of meeting a crazy person from time to time keep you away from church, then your faith isn’t as strong as you claim
That sounds like a cop out. Lol. Christianity isn’t typically the religion used in violence or terrorism. Just saying.
@Snipez4Faces That’s not how I see it.
When you think about that made an episode like this back in 1994 it is crazy
What kind of Law & Order Series is this from there is like 5 of them and cant tell which is which.
I’m glad to see Richard Thomas working.
Wow, John Boy stills looks good!!!!!
Ah, hell no, not John-Boy! Not that poetry-writin', newspaper-runnin', calling-his-sisters-honeyin', whippoorwill-listenin' boy, John-Boy!
OMG you can’t diagnose EDS in the womb!!
I Have EDS.
You can’t say how fragile the skin will be. Everyone who suffers is affected differently.
My skin is only mildly affected.
Their are conditions a child can be born with that will make their skin as fragile as the father describes. But it’s not EDS!!
That affects the joints mostly, then the organs, and lastly the skin.(all are different )
Technically it can be.
Can Ehlers-Danlos syndrome be detected before birth?
Some parents may choose to have their child tested for Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS) before they are born. This is known as prenatal diagnosis. If the gene change(s) that causes EDS are known in a family, then molecular genetic testing (which can detect these changes) can be used for prenatal diagnosis. A sample of tissue can be taken from the placenta to test for changes in the specific gene known to cause a specific subtype of EDS. This test is called chorionic villus sampling. Another test is called amniocentesis, which involves taking a sample of the amniotic fluid that surrounds and protects a developing fetus. Cells known as amniocytes are taken from the fluid and studied for changes in the gene in question. There are risks to the unborn baby of doing these tests before birth. Talk to your doctor or a genetic counselor in your area to discuss the risks and benefits of prenatal diagnosis.
As the other commenter said, with genetic testing it can be diagnosed in the womb. Heart defects and other deformities can also be seen in the womb. Depending on the results of the genetic testing, yes you can have a good idea of what the skin fragility will be. It could be that they meant EB instead of EDS. My skin is not as fragile as an EB sufferers, but seams in clothing can cause friction sores that get infected. My scars can rupture with pressure. I have vascular EDS. This comment section is full of people with milder forms being outraged at this. It's just a representation of the more severe forms if anything, which DOES NOT misrepresent EDS as a whole. Until recently, only the more severe forms of EDS were even diagnosed. Not the bullshit we have now where if you're hypermobile you've now got a genetic condition 🤦
The show said the child was diagnosed after an ultrasound. An ultrasound may show certain defects, that EDS could cause. But those could also be caused by other conditions. To decide to test for EDS before birth. Would be expensive, to say the least. Also why would the test for EDS. If it wasn’t in the family history? They can’t test for all possible disorders and conditions that case the defects seen in the scan.
They also could not possibly say how EDS would affect the child. Even if the did have a positive genetic result.
Not to mention that not all forms of EDS have been identified on the genome.
I also believe it is still considered risky to do a genetic test on a unborn child. Because of the disruption to the uterus. But technology may have gotten better since I had my child. This is however an old episode. So likely the same age as my child.Also, was EDS even found on the genome when this show aired? I had to have a clinical diagnosis. Because they still haven’t found my forms genetic markers.
@@livyann2143 thanks for invalidating my many years of pain and suffering. Just because you got a worse deal out of life than I did!
You have no idea how I am affected. Except that my skin isn’t as fragile as described in this tv show.
This show is supper old to. So likely even vascular EDS wasn’t mapped on the genome at the time it aired.
You can have your opinion on my comment. I welcome a debate on my points of view.
But don’t tell me anything concerning my personal health issues. Until you get your doctorate and do an examination of me!
@@inthewindago First and most importantly, I never invalidated your pain and suffering. That said, you don't have to face an early death like I do. vEDS simply is the more severe/dangerous form compared to hEDS. I know of no doctors versed in this condition that would argue otherwise. Your joint problems may be severe, but that is not LETHAL. vEDS and hEDS are two drastically different diseases when it comes down to it. When my condition more accurately matches what is being described in a show, I would think my opinion on the matter should well, matter. I'd never willingly get pregnant and pass these genes on. I will NOT be handing down a death sentence and my life is hell, made even more so by doctors who only know of hEDS and put my life at risk by not following precautions for vEDS pts. I regularly run into people like you who get offended for stating the facts of our condition and it's different types. I'm terminally ill ontop of vEDS, almost saw my father die from aortic dissection and have seen my sister have multiple failed surgeries due to vEDS. Keep clutching your pearls, it doesn't matter to me, your non lethal condition gets allllllll the research funding, hope they find a cure soon for being offended xx
They’re overselling Ehlers Danlos. The skin is more delicate, yes, but it doesn’t tear at the slightest touch, that’s absurd. There’s different severities, and the more severe cases their primary form of mobility would be wheelchair, but the primary concerns with Ehlers Danlos are dislocations and blood vessel aneurysms.
This decision should between the doctors and people involved. Not the government or public.
Pretty sure the priest is played by Michael Hollick, the voice actor for Niko in GTA IV
"im not a killer im a science teacher" someone didnt watch breaking bad
How does this episode end?
They found him and they shoot him
This has to be based off George Tiller, A Wichita Ks based doctor who specialized in late term abortions. He was shot through the eye when leaving church one day. I’ll never forget that day
I forgot all about it. But I do remember a couple Army recruiters getting gunned down right after that by some Jihadist.
I didn't notice it at first, but the priest is Niko Bellic's (GTA IV) voice actor.
You can tell that actor is full body cringing when he says the 'should have prayed louder' line (terrible)
They hate Christians and conservatives so much it’s comical.
Fun fact.....
The church priest is the voice actor of the character 'niko bellic' from rockstar's game Grand Theft Auto 4....
-Edit-
The actor name is Michael Hollick.
My, how the table have turned.
Didn't know niko found god after gta iv
It's kinda refreshing to see that the Church's pastor was supportive of the abortion doctor.
It's not refreshing imagine your job is to serve god and you are on the side of one of the heartless sickos that destroyed hundreds of his creations
I don’t think ehlers danlos syndrome would cause the babies skin to fall off at the slightest touch. My voice teacher has EDS? Sure she’s had 2 hip surgeries by the age of 35 but her skin is perfectly fine. Stretchy skin and weak joints is EDS, but the extremely weak skin is epidermolysis bullosa.
Wait, was the dude that was staring at the other dude (at the start) the one that got shot. I’m confused
Oh boy this entire comment section
One word that starts with a is all it takes to set all sides off on a rant
6:41 oh hey its bill denborough!
What season and episode is this?
Anyone who has an idea where incan get these old episodes?
I feel bad for the pregnant woman and the baby
I feel bad for the baby if it's murdered.
@@jd3jefferson556 You'd better feel sorry for a baby being born with this severe condition. A life full of pain and nothing can be done.
@@reallyjustme of course I feel sorry for all people in pain, however it is not our place to end there lives.
3rd trimester abortions are also not exactly painless. Sometimes takes days for the child to die. Not to mention where do you draw the line? What diseases do we mercy kill and which do we allow to live? Why stop at fetuses why not kill 6 month olds that have life threatening and painful diseases?
It is not our place to take human life into our hands and there is literally no logical and moral defense for the killing of babies (most of which, 99.5% are done out of pure convenience for the mother and/or father).
@@jd3jefferson556 I feel bad for a woman being forced to stay pregnant when something could be done to help her. If only there was a medical procedure that could be done to assist.
@@megandurrant4000 ya it's called not jumping into bed with men you aren't willing to get pregnant with. 99.5% of women have abortions purely out of convenience for there own lives that they don't want disrupted at all even though they knowingly created human life, and they knowingly kill that human life in an abortion, thus the reason for the high depression and suicide rates after a woman has had an abortion. Like I say its just a horrible and painful experience for all parties involved.
Anyone know what season and episode this is?
Good to know that Niko Bellic opened his heart to Christ after the events of GTA4
This really is reminding me of what's going on with the anti choice laws being forced on the people of Oklahoma atm
I hope more anti-abortion laws are passed in more states soon. The tides are turning against the baby murderers
What choice is the innocent baby given?? How about personal responsibility in the first place, NOT TO GET PREGNANT!!! DUH!!
@@wiseguysoutdoors2954 tell me you hate women without telling me you hate women. oh wait you already did.
@@sadgayyeehaw5199 >Doesn't want to kill babies
>"You hate women!"
What do you mean by this?
@@LAST_STAND_FAN
Also by his logic, preventing pregnancy by being a responsible man or woman is also a form of... woman hating ???