7900 GRE vs 4070 Super: The Ultimate Comparison!!!
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
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This RX 7900 GRE review puts it head to head against the slightly more expensive RTX 4070 Super from Nvidia. Let's test them out in the latest games, using the latest features, and see which one is right for you!
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Chapters:
0:00 The 7900 GRE does well vs its direct MSRP competitor RTX 4070
0:26 But the 4070 Super only costs a little bit more
1:19 Sell your old GPU to fund your upgrade at Jawa!
2:30 I'm tiny
2:42 RoboCop 1080p Epic
3:07 RoboCop 1440p Epic
3:35 RoboCop 4K EPic
4:02 RoboCop 4K Epic DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
4:28 When performance is similar, features like DLSS can become the differentiator
5:40 In UE5 games, consider using TSR instead of FSR for upscaling on AMD hardware
6:06 Alan Wake 2 High
6:34 Alan Wake 2 High with RT Low (DLSS/FSR Q, FG on/off)
7:02 Alan Wake 2 high with RT High DLSS/FSR Q, FG on/off
7:10 4070 Super gets big win with heavy RT, would you use these settings?
8:40 Alan Wake 2 4K High
9:02 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
9:29 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra
9:56 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
10:23 Cyberpunk 2077 4K Ultra
10:50 Cyberpunk 2077 4K High
11:17 Cyberpunk 2077 4K High FSR/DLSS Q
11:45 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
11:57 Again a big win at heavy RT, so let's think about if it is useable
13:29 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections
13:53 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra with RT Reflections DLSS/FSR Q (FG on/off)
14:20 Starfield 1080p Ultra
14:47 Starfield 1440p Ultra
15:14 Starfield 4K Ultra, my forehead says 4K, I promise
15:42 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
16:09 DLSS 3 FG vs FSR 3 FG (Starfield 4K Ultra, Quality upscaling)
17:54 Starfield 4K Ultra FSR 3 Q with FG
18:22 Avatar 1080p Ultra
18:48 Avatar 1440p Ultra
19:15 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS/FSR Q
19:43 Avatar 1440p Ultra FSR 3 Q with FG
20:10 Avatar 1440p High
20:39 Avatar 4K Ultra
21:04 Avatar 4K High
21:32 Avatar 4k High DLSS/FSR Q
21:59 Avatar 4K High FSR 3 Q with FG
22:26 CoD MW3 1080p Basic
22:53 CoD MW3 1440p Basic
23:21 CoD MW3 4K Basic
23:48 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
24:15 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
24:43 Ratchet and Clank 1440p Very High
25:10 Ratchet and Clank 4K Very High
25:37 Ratchet and Clank 1440p Very High with RT High
25:51 16GB VRAM vs 12GB VRAM- why AMD is winning at RT in this game
28:03 Does DLSS solve the VRAM issue? (Ratchet and Clank 1440p RT High DLSS/FSR Q)
29:16 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max
29:44 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics
30:10 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max
30:38 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics
31:05 Resident Evil 4 4K Max
31:32 Resident Evil 4 4K Prioritize Graphics
32:00 Final Thoughts- is the 4070 Super worth an extra $50?
37:00 Thanks! - Наука та технологія
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I notice that Daniel added "(UE5)" in front of "RoboCop: Rogue City" after a commenter on a video a few days ago suggested some kind of indication of which games use UE5, since it's an important engine for the future. Credit to Daniel for reading the comments and acting on a suggestion. 👍
UP
He listened to his students and incorporated their feedback into future content promptly.
@@jonboy602 Students know best.
That comment was actually made by the UE5 AI bot
It was clever self-promotion of the UE5 engine, ensuring that additional copies of the UE5 AI bot will run in the future
More UE5 AI bots means they will find more ways to create more UE5 AI bots, and they will multiply out of control
By the time you read this message, it may already be too late
Guys, Before buying a 12 gb Vram gpu in 2024 just remember people who bought 3070 ti with 8 gh vram just few years ago.
my favorite is people sick of 10GB 3080's buing 4070's XD
@@Magnusrorsachhattywait... I'm about to go 4070S to further downsize my ITX build. 😂
I wouldn't go lower than 16 gb vram. Games use more and more. Hardware Unboxed also recommends 16gb.
@@clinten3131only leaning on 4070S because they are in stock and I can offload it quickly when the 5090 drops. Don't feel like committing to a 4090 at $2k for give or take 5mos.
@@vizcatis the 5090 supposed to be cheaper?
Me planning a build: Hmm, I have a 1080p widescreen and might go up to 1440 one day….I like the 6750xt but for 30 more I could get the rx 6800, well if I get the 6800 for only 50 more I could get the 7700xt. If I get the 7700xt for only 50 more I could get the 7800xt. Well I could get that but for only 50 more I could get the 7900 GRE. If I get that I’m only a bit shy of a 4070…..wait how am I suddenly way over budget lol
ahahah bro, exactly in the same boat as you. 50 > 50 > 50 it seems like a nominal difference but it really adds up at the end. Where im at a palit base model 4070 costs the same as a saphire nitro+ 7900 GRE. The nitro+ is an insane card so might aswell just get that..
never cheap out on the GPU, just get a lower spec CPU instead.
I love the authenticity of Daniel’s videos with the kids in the background being kids and Daniel trying to do professional videos for us 🥰😇👍. Never stop being you Daniel or let the kids deter you from doing these videos. The videos feel more like an at home UA-camr / Streamer and less clinical and offical….. I personally love this video format as it is🥳👍
nah
Kids being kids in the backround gives the videos some personal/ homey flavor
That's how we roll here.
is he a dad?
@@thefurmidablecatlucky3 I think 2 daughters he has so he is not just a dad, he is a lucky dad :)
Had Nvidia given 16GB with 4070Super, they would have launched a winner
Would be still overpriced
@@lifemocker85bro 😂😂😂
yet everyone out there buys NVIDIA vs AMD 5:1 , guess who's out of GPU business after next gen
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity jewtel
They did, but they called it a ti super and charging $200 more lol
Thanks, Daniel. I have no idea how you manage to put these comprehensive videos together so quickly, but I'm very glad you do. This one is much tougher than the 4070 regular vs GRE matchup. If you can find the time, I would be grateful if you could compare the GRE against the 6950 XT to quell some lingering questions and doubts. Do it for posterity! 😅
Just watch GN or HUB
If the 4070 super had 16GB it would be a winner.
I'd mainly buy it over a 7800xt or 7900GRE for ray tracing and I'm way more concerned about 12GB becoming a problem when ray tracing is on than for raster.
Maybe next gen will have a 500 dollar 16GB 8800XT with better ray tracing or a 600 dollar 16Gb 5070
I would had bought 4070 Super if that happened. But yeah RX 8800 XT(or RDNA 4's strongest gpu) and RTX 5070 are the only gpus I would look forward to for next gen.
Is ray tracing on a 4070 super playable at 1440p. If not, the AMD cards win.
@@darrenmoore-mj2zqMainly if you use DLSS.
@@darrenmoore-mj2zq Given the results Daniel provides, it looks like neither card is usable with heavy ray tracing and both seem marginal in moderate ray tracing
Neither card has one percent lows that are consistently above the 60 FPS that I prefer when playing with ray tracing.
The fact that Daniel found that 12GB vs 16GB is already affecting the 4070S in Ratchet and Clank at 1440p/very high/RT high is another big red flag for me.
Go with the ti super then, the thing is it it like 500 more dollars for that extra 4 vram
It's evident how hard you work, much appreciated. I already have a high end graphics card so not even shopping for one but I really love your content!
Bless you sir. This is the comparison I've been hoping for.
Great review! Thx Daniel!
Gotta love some tiny Daniel 😁
Great video mate. Always full of good info that people can actually use
I'm tiny now cool...
I love that one🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You really kill it with these videos man! Nobody brings the important context to these comparison videos like u. Super helpful, thank u!
i dont really remember the scenes its video i rarely rewatch, but the first fight at 'parking lot' and helicopter demolition does look great iirc
Putting in some solid work DO. Another nice comparison
thinking hard about a new gpu for my amd, not sure to buy now or wait for the 8000 series and battlemage to come out and i;m in no rush since i game mostly on my other comp
How do these two stack up now with the driver update though?
Thanks Daniel, another great comparison
Would you include the new update for Lords of the fallen (v1.1.560) in the upcoming videos? theyve focused alot on the performance in this update, and would be fun to see how its doing now ^^ Love the videos as always
Do you think that asus will release their version of 7900 gre in following weeks ?
Any chance we could see Dying light 2 and Metro Exodus in the testing im really curious what the GRE gets with RT maxed out
Hardware unboxed just got heat for reviewing stock cards vs OC and the hellhound is probably the best OC card. Your Super a Gigabyte Aorus Master?
There were some articles that stated that the OC is bugged at the moment on GRE models. So that could improve even more whenever they fix the problem.
Funny to find you here haha. Love what you do for Ren. 🙏🏽
@@LorenzoFrausto I have other interests too. Haha. :D
hat same 2060 has been in your pcpartpicker search results forever lol. Is it in your wish list or something?
Would 50 series finally be the generation where a 1440p/1080p card could be used for 1440p/1080p gaming with Ray tracing without seeing much frame drops?
7900GRE is the best card this generation by MSRP
so is the 7800xt at 459 bucks
@@LowKeyOfficialYT depends on the country too. Here in France 7800 XT is 500€, 7900 GRE is 575€ (with a better cooler though)
Not with that sad RT performance in Alan Wake 2. There is games as demanding as that game coming out in late 2024. If you buy AMD now you're gonna be fucked in 2025. Before AMD steps up their raytracing game they are non existant to me.
@@williehrmann Agree, if the only game that you play is Alan Wake
@@williehrmann Literally shows robo cop and avatar run pretty much the same performance for 7900gre
I think it needs to be asked whether most people can tell the diference between 40 ms latency and 60 ms latency though. Percent wise it sounds like a big jump, but can you FEEL it? If not, 20ms more isn't a big deal.
for AMD are u using AFMF? coz for rtx u activate FG
hello daniel kindly also benchmark DLSS/FSR balanced . DLSS balanced image quaility is also very good . Thanks for ur video .
Im looking for 1080p high fps gaming. So is 4070s fine for me? Does vram really matter @1080p .
Thank you for this great comparison.
IMO the 4070s is better than 7900gre for several reasons:
1- In most games The 4070s consumes around 100W less than the 7900gre while the difference in performance is small and not worth the extra wattage (Electricity bills and GPU life longevity is very important).
2- DLSS is better than FSR, and you can run both in NVIDIA GPUs unlike AMD GPUs that's bound only to FSR
3- (and this is the important reason) the 4070s is only 50$ more than the 7900gre, so it's not that appealing and the 7900gre has to be around 500$ or less to be a better choice.
4- The 4070s is also better for Productivity and streaming.
Great points but I want to counter them
1) Undervolting exists and honestly if you're building a 1500$ pc a little higher electricity bill shouldn't be a problem
2) Can't argue, dlss is king. Just hope amd also come up with something similar, given the fact they have AI cores in the 7000 series
3) 4070S is 50$ more expensive for weaker raster and less vram, so ray tracing and frame gen features might be unusable in the future as seen in ratchet and clank
4) Also a pretty good point but I guess for gaming only builds 7900GRE is a better choice
Hellhound also use custom pcb, like 7800xt with extra power phase and higher TGP than ref. models. With that epic cooler and only slight price premium over ref. it best bang for buck model. It sucks they used slower vram chips that dont like overclocking.
I really appreciate all the research folk like you do in this crazy GPU market, makes it easier for us to purchase wisely.
I have a question, beyond terms of fps consumption or price etc... Which of the two between nvidia or amd is more RELIABLE, rather than failures, I come from a bad experience of years with amd with its adrenaline software that was misconfigured , problems with its updates and problems with some games with which it did not work correctly and I had to wait for them to fix it with patches..... should I give amd a chance or is nvidia better optimized? I have never been an nvidia user
Kinda wild theres a 16gb 4060ti but not any 16gb 4070
Not really, as I understand it the GPU chip the 4070 uses can't have 16Gb memory. That's why the 4070 Ti Super that has 16Gb uses the same GPU chip as the 4080. Maybe the 4070 could have 24Gb, double the VRAM like they doubled it on the 4060 Ti. But nVidia charged $100 more for 8Gb more RAM so I guess a 4070 with 24Gb would cost $750. Who would buy that?
@@atnfn their is nothing stopping it from using 16 GB they would just have to change the memory bus which can be changed.
they did the same with the 3060 back in the day, why is so surprising.
@@hamster_master Yes and that's the 4070 Ti Super
@@atnfn bruh no. if you look on tech powerup they had like 2 other versions of the gtx 1060 planned with 8 gigs of GDDR5X and 5 gigs of DDR5 memory that never released, as well a 10gig and 12 gig 1080ti that they never released. for the rtx 20 series they created a rtx 2080 ti 12 gig that they never released. they can realistically put almost any amount of vram if they wanedt to. why do think people are modding 2080 Tis to have 22gigs of vram?
Personally I'd go for the GRE. I care more about the extra VRAM and slightly better raster. I don't wanna use RT if it means having to drop the res to get a good framerate. And in a lot of games it's not a good enough of an effect to warrant losing that perf.
How u did get off stutters from 7900gre? i have stutters in every game i play. I might return this gpu and buy 4070s. I bought 7900gre bcoz of vram to be more future proof
Did you fix this? It's my main concern
@@nickh3279 Yes I did. I have 5600x cpu and I did disabled c-states from bios and if u run windows 10 then you can disable AMD ftpm. Those were my solutions. Afterwards I did upgrade to win 11 and had to put back that ftpm but it haven't give me stutters.
The 4070 super doesn’t have 16 gigs of memory because the nvidiots at nvidia won’t have anything left to stick it to everyone in the rear next generation. Nvidia is one of the top companies in the s&p 500 next to Apple and Amazon and they didn’t get there by being an ethical company. $500 is more than one of these highest end cards should cost
or maybe they just want to hear you kids cry cry
I do have a 7800XT coming in 2 day's i got The Last Of Us working in Linux and my hope is that this card will work the 4070 ti i have works great but AMD being open source is why this will work even better i hope.
In my country, the 7900 GRE Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon OC is $83 less than the Gigabyte 4070 Super Gaming OC. What do you think about this situation?
Any chance of doing a video comparing windows HDR vs RTX HDR vs no HDR?
“If you didn’t get the kill, you need to increase your skill.” I felt that. Great video!
I wish there was a bench mark for 4k in Cyberpunk with ultra and high settings and the back off RT settings to RT reflections and DLSS. Hopefully in future benchmarks those are included with these and the 4070 ti super and 4080 super class cards.
The new GRE driver would surprise you as well as a moderate VRAM overclock.
I mainly use my gaming laptop for sim racing, which doesn't need crazy graphics, but rather as many fos as possible. I'm planning my next step in computer hardware and i'm going to build a desktop PC. The GRE fits quite well with what i want to do (no ray tracing needed and big screen)
Daniel, i just want to ask what if the 4070 SUPER is cheaper by $100 than the 7900 GRE in my country? what should i pick? i hope you notice this.
At those prices I'd personally take the 4070 Super.
@@danielowentech Thanks man! I appreciate your reply.
For ~50 USD more (4070S) you also have less energy consumption (~50-60W / ~22-28%), which slightly relatives the 50 USD more per year, Video Resolution upscaling, Video SDR to HDR upscaling, besides the better gaming quality while having a similiar performance.
*Energy consumption example:* if you play 4 hours a day with 15ct/kwh and 400W you pay 87.60 USD (0.001x0.15x365x400Wx4hrs). If you play 4 hours a day with 50W less you pay 76.65 USD a year (-10.95 USD). If you play 8 hours a day it's already 175.20 USD a year vs. 153.30 USD (-21.90 USD). I don't know how much kwh actually is in the USA so I took 15ct/kwh cos it should be way less than in Germany for example (~20kwh new customer to ~42kwh old customer). If you pay more you can easily save 50 USD and way more per year by just investing the 50 USD into the 4070S - also take into mind that the 7900GRE often uses more than 50W more than the 4070S like you can see in the video *(up to 100W more!).*
more watts also means more heat being created.
@@contris1 good for the feet under the desk in the winter :))
I'll gladly accept the increased power draw and slightly worse upscaling and ray tracing of the 7900 GRE in order to get 4 extra GB of VRAM and better overall pure rasterization performance, while saving $50 off the hop. NVidia majorly F'd up by only including 12 GB of VRAM in a card at this price point. I'm not buying into NVidia's snake oil of frame gen, and ray tracing is just whatever.
Amd - afmf
Bro energy consumption lol. It's more important to have more vram
The GRE cards everyone is testing are the models that retail for like $580. The MSRP cards suffer pretty hard on cooling and clocks. AMD will release a new BIOS they seem to claim that unlocks all the limitations on these cards, but cooling will be trouble.
They use the same cooler as the 7900XT which doesn't have cooling uses so why with 70w less would the GRE have issues?
@@Jasontvnd9 one reason is that they still power limit the card to 260w, and it'll only be like 4-5% faster than a 7800xt when limited to that. 2nd reason is from what I've seen a lot of the cheap models like the Asrock Challenger actually uses 7800xt cooler. This channel itself reported that AMD can mount the 7900 GRE die to a 7800xt board. To the 7800xt substrate. The reference GRE from what I've heard reviewers say, actually is smaller than the 7900xt cooler as well. It looks similar, but it is smaller. Can't remember if it was hardware unboxed who showed that.
@@eugkra33i have reference 7900GRE and it's doing fine - stock 88c hotspot max and 75 core with fans at 1300-1500rpm . Undervolted and overclocked memory to 2316mhz still better than stock performance but at 225w :D
Any idea when the 7900 GRE Red Devil will be released? This is my first time waiting for a specific model to come out so im not sure if its normal to wait awhile or not or what it was like previously for the 7800 xt red devil's release for example.
Get the Hellhound. just make sure to support it at the end.
@@BlackJesus8463 I think the hellhound looks boring (just my opinion) so I've been waiting for the red devil since I like its design a lot.
i would go for the 7900 xt in that case, it was at 670$ at the lowest not long ago a pulse or hellhound model i think, a red devil 7900 gre is probably gonna be close to a 600$, gap in price start to be small imo to justify bying the gr, and a 7900 xt can overclock to a 4080 in raster.
@@jinnzoln9063 Ive asked a shop and they said they expect in a couple of weeks.
I agree that the cards are very close. I'm tempted to get the GRE for a reason you didn't mention. It consistently runs 15 degrees cooler than the 4070 Super, despite the fact that it uses 270 Watts, while the Super is only 220 Watts. That's a credit to Power Color and their Hellhound design. Is there a 4070 Super card that runs cool that I should look at?
3 fan cards should be fine. I would recommend Gigabyte gaming / aero or MSI Gaming. Ignore ASUS (overpriced). Check some thermal benchmarks but tbh i find it hard to believe that best GRE cards would run colder than best 4070s cards.
@@contris1 Nowhere does he mention which 4070 Super card he is using, or if he did, I missed it. I went back and watched the comparison to the base 4070, and there he compared to the Founder's Edition. If this 4070 Super is also the Founder's Edition, that would explain the temperature difference. According to data I found somewhere, the FE runs with a max temp of 69, and a hot spot of 83, while the Gigabyte Gaming edition runs at 58 degrees with a hot spot of 71. That's about the same temperature difference as between the 4070S and the GRE in the review above. The Gigabyte Aero was even better, at 56.4 and a hot spot of 66.1, the lowest of any 4070 Super that I have seen. Good recommendations, so thank you.
@@carlr2837 np. I did some research as i wanted to buy 4070s but unfortunately my PSU doesnt have two 8Pins just 1x6 and 1x8 :/
the psu you need for the 7900gre will certainly add to the cost
there is a significant price leap in those psu level
Wow, up to 178k subs now!
Dude, the wattage difference is freaking insane!
It's a whole tier higher!
Just something for folks to remember depending on the area they live!
Typical nvidia fan..always bringing something when they get smashed. Where you were when 6000 series destroyed nvidia 30 in power draw last year ?
@@arbernuka3679to add to that I think RX 7000 reports board power and RTX 40 gpu reports core power
@@arbernuka3679 there are only 2 smashes on this comparision rt perf and wattage in 4070s favor, in the rest they are similar. Well the vram is the only smash the 7900 gre has
@@arbernuka3679 Yea and? It is not like everyone mentioned lol, since now nvidia has better efficiency people can acknowledge that, but going by your logic if you do that then you are a nvidia fan. Amd fanboys conveniently forget main selling points of their card last gen because it doesn't benefit them anymore.
Ironically says the guy that brings up something coz he got smashed without realising what he just said ffs. I know from that comment that you have zero idea why 6000 series had lower power draw and perceived performance improvement compared to 30 series............................................ I'll give you a minute or two so you can get your brain ready......................................................................................ya ready?????????????????????????????
I'll give you a couple of clues, easy ones I promise.
Apple or ...... phone?
The number associated with a hit eminem song?
A metric measurement of atomic proportions?
Rhymes with Load?
When you figure that part out ill happily explain the significance to the answer to you if reality is something you struggle with?
Don't be afraid to sing out if you get stuck at any stage, I got you homie;) @@arbernuka3679
Also add power efficiency to the equation. 15-20 percent fps increase for 40 percent more power.
Hello daniel, hardware unboxed said in the latest version of their GRE review that AMD is fixing the limited overclocking ability of the card. could I ask you if that is worth looking into please?
It's worth a boycott. 7900XT should have been the 7800XT the whole time, dont buy the bs
@@BlackJesus8463 hurr durr
I would recommend not to buy until that is a reality. Many reviews of the 6800 mentioned that for the time being it isn't possible to increase voltage (it is basically undervolted from factory). I own a 6800, to this day it is artificially nerfed.
It's probable that 7900 GRE OC status isn't a bug, but intended, and AMD is just considering changing their mind (or a deception to drive sale)
@@ziokalco i'm personally gonna wait for blackwell/rdna 4. im just curious to see how far the GRE can go
@@BOPBOPBOPBOPBOPBOPOB probably the best option if you can still play what you want to play
I have a RTX2080ti in my main system now and am thinking about upgrading to either a 4070 super or 7900GRE. It is hard but I think the 7900GRE gives me more bucks for the money as I don't really miss Ray-Tracing and mostly never used it on my 2080ti.
Bucks for the money?
@@gianmarco226 a shit haha. I meant to say "Bang for the bucks".
I have seen many reviews on many cards. Why does no one ever test VR. Did all the reviews forget about it?
14:47 This is confusing ... In Daniel's test the 4070s is below the 7900GRE but in hardware unboxed test the 4070s is above both the 7900gre reference and the nitro + ...
It's not confusing atall tmdaniel is posting the results he's getting...just because it doesn't match what another reviewer gets is irrelevent.
HWU's testing has been garbage for years.
You should try RTX Audio noise cancellation for the background noise.
Shitty thing. Just install rnnoise. I use rtx voice in Nvidia broadcast for 1.5 year, and they really bad sometimes(Nvidia broadcast eat 1.3gb of ram lmao) but rnnoise with equalizer apo work fine all time on all mics
I would pick the card with the best raster performance every time.
im all about raw performance and no fake frames. so i think the 7900 GRE is my next gpu.
cheaper and more vram.
your kids playing sounds like Alien on a hunt via headphone
just stomping around, stop and switch direction then sprint lol
What is happening at 22:12? Why is the shadows so different on the two GPUs? Also I noticed on all the runs of Avatar that there is a sort of pop-in on the nVidia where suddenly the shadows go a quality level up which I find quite jarring and would definitely prefer to just keep the low quality for the sake of immersion.
I wouldn't put that on the cards. That seems more like video capture.
The Hellhound has such a good cooler for the money.
I think both of these cards need another 50 to 100 off to make sense when we're at the tail end of a generation. Sinking 600 into a 12gb vram card even for 1440p gaming would feel bad in a year or two. Imagine when you have to turn down shaders because of stutters and not because the card isn't fast enough to run at 1440p. It's going to be the rx 580 4gb vs the rx580 8gb all over again. I don't think anyone can go wrong picking either cards if they go on sale however.
a 4070 Ti Super for a roughly 650-750$ would be a market winner here...
Honestly, the 4070S is kind of ass for ray tracing capability. I feel like you really have to shell out for the 4080 models to get a more comfortable native performance, but those prices are insane. If you're big into RT, and can be patient, I'd honestly just wait. I don't care all that much, personally, and bought a 7900 XT Pulse, since $1000 seems way too steep for a GPU to run at 1440p. Let's just hope that AMD pushes better RT capability, or Nvidia gives a better Price : Performance offering next generation, because they've definitely been very unattractive in that regard.
I genuinely can't conclude whether upgrading from a 3070 to a 7900GRE (taking RT and DLSS into account) would actually feel like a worthwhile upgrade or not. 4K is my goal, albeit I'm ok with DLSS Quality Mode upscaling where necessary, and I'm just not sure about the GRE...whereas the next series of cards are likely to be on the market within 12 months, so will that lead to buyers remorse combined with not feeling that £500 offered sufficient upgrade over 3070? Then again maybe the GRE would be an absolute champion and in non-RT gaming @ 4k it delivers a great experience? Or should a 4070 Super be the choice? I'm just glad 'choice' is applicable nowadays....without being hampered by the most insane 2020-style price gouging!
Hopefully AMD will improve on their Ray Accelerators with RX 8000 series. But considering how they've focused less on RT and more on Rasterization, I'm still impressed with the performance. Nvidia had 2nd gen with 30 series before AMD responded, so I almost always expect their RT to be superior for now.
Nobody cares about rt
I'll be rocking my 6800XT for the foreseeable future but still watch these to keep up with current HW
How much vram do actually use though? I bet most people could get by with 12GB for years just playing on high instead of ultra and they don't even look that different.
6800xt 3080 still have no upgrade path just overpriced 4090....
In my case, below 8gb for competitive fps and 10gb-14gb for modded solo rpg... @@BlackJesus8463
The only sensible upgrade are xtx /4080 and up
@@BlackJesus8463 people who play at 4k...
I can't get past the extra 4GB of VRAM for $50 less at the same raster performance. I'm upgrading next month, and it's one of these two cards and I can't make a decision, but I'm leaning towards the GRE. The 60W less average power us is a big one for me though, I like cool and quiet.
Temps and noise aren't a problem, at least not on the Sapphire and Powercolor models, they have very good cooler designs. Both are AMDs best board partners in my opinion. As for the power consumption, I undervolted mine and it's worth it.
@@Ashitaka0815 I got the Hellhound, and yeah, it's the best cooler I've ever had on a GPU, the fans stop spinning like 30 seconds after I stop playing a game, and it's amazingly quiet. It came vanilla at 290W peak board power, and right now I'm running it undervolted at 265W peak board power, but still getting an extra 8% performance out of it according to synthetic benchmarks, which from HUB and Techpowerups testing, seems to translate to about that much extra frame in a lot of games. I'm happy with the GRE, it exceeded my expectations.
The one thing about the Sapphire models is that they use the SK Hynix VRAM modules instead of the Samsung, and folks have had a lot more luck pushing the speeds on those. I can get a stable 19Gb/s effective out of the Hellhound GDDR6, which puts it at 610GB/s bandwidth, so I'm happy with that, the performance returns seem to diminish as you go up with the VRAM thanks to the bus width of 256, but extra core clocks does seem to have good returns, given how much of the Navi 31 chip render hardware is still active on the GRE. The 80 RT cores do seem to help with whatever light RT I need to do, it runs Exodus Enhanced Ultra at 70fps, so there's that.
I have tested both FSR and DLSS also FG and haven't noticed a bad increase in latency with any configuration in the 35ish+ FPS range as long as the 1% lows aren't far behind.
I know some are sensitive, but I cannot notice but a miniscule difference for the life of me.
Granted, from 30ish FPS and below, I notice it increases DRASTICALLY.
Overall, I'd go with the Super. Especially with the workloads I do on top of the gaming features I use.
Of course the _type_ of game heavily matters. If it's a driving game or something playable with a controller I think frame generation gets a bad rap and is very usable, but it's _very_ noticeably sluggish on any kind of mouse controlled game where you're whipping the camera around. Problem there is those are the games where FPS is _most_ important so FG just ends up being a visually appealing feature in slow paced games.
2:40 me when I have a dream of a memory from my childhood
Most mid shelf and below dGPU are near or at P@C and going lower all through the summer, CPUs too top to bottom shelf. The channel is clearing everything just wait into summer and pick all these products up cheap. mb
It's 50 dollars of course its worth it lol it's the better buy, more efficient to close in raster. Better with dlss and frame gen. Better with ray tracing. Yes it's worth it lol.
To many issues with amd this year also.
and then pay nvidia tax after 2 year because of vram
@capt.jacksparrow7261 yeah I mean I'm planning on going 6000 seriee. I'll keep the 4070 super until then lol
something that always bugs me is your 7800x3d only clocking at 4.7Ghz~4.9Ghz, you should enable PBO and do a curve optimizer of negative 30 magnitude. it would boost to 5.25Ghz~5.35Ghz which in the 7800x3D will give you mooaaarr FPS
Hi, question. Will a H510M H V2 mother board + i7 11700f + 650w Power supply, pair fine with a 4070 super? Thanks in advance
Upgrade cpu
@@ShadarThePcBuilder Thanks, for the useless reply. I think your mom is calling you, better hurry. Anyone else with a brain feel free to give an opinion :) thanks
yes
@@inabstract imagine asking for help and getting made for getting help.
650 watt is the minimum requirement so you should be fine. Outervision has a good PSU calculator if you ever want to get an idea of the power your system needs. You can Google it.
In such a video i would've liked to see medium settings 4k cp2077
He never does medium. but at this point I'm pretty sure upscaling ultra is just as good. if not better! ✌
this would stress the cpu more and less gpu
13:06 As someone who played the OG Cyberpunk 2077 with an RTX 3080 10GB at 1440p DLSS Quality and Ray Tracing on HIGH! I was happy to play the original game with the fps I got and with the 4070 Super being a fraction faster generally at around 50fps I’m happy to play most single player titles at these settings with around 50fps.
Although I’m fortunate to have a. RTX 4090 for production and gaming now … I still use my RTX 3080 10GB for many other gaming sessions still. Unless I need the 4090 for new UE5 titles at 4k resolution with many / Al, bells and whistles activated.
Also I play at 1440p ultrawide with my RTX 3080
Debating on this card as a temp card to replace my 3080, until the 5090 drops.
DLSS is such a nice and useful feature to have. I came from a 6700 10GB and upgraded to a 4070 Super and i can tell you the difference between FSR and DLSS is like night and day.
the tech will get even better too. all of this is still "relatively" new. in 5-10 years from now wattage use will be at a minimum hopefully while performance continues to thoroughly increase
Software tricks aint performance
@@lifemocker85 I used to say the same thing until I tried it. Now I use it all the time.
@@lifemocker85 better code = better optimisation = better performance without increasing hardware load. read a book or two... maybe you could learn something
@@ChudMuffin69 insufficient vram cannot handle increased demands when graphics are getting better
There's also an image quality and compatibility advantage for the 4070s.
Both are comparable in pure power, however the 4070 super has superior resolution upscaling and frame gen tech.
Great video covering loads of important points!.... The 7900GRE is cheaper, performs better in most games specially those not called cyberpunk and is more futurproof thanks to additional vram.... The GRE is making the 4070 nvidia cards look very overpriced.
Both make great cards for various consumers but I dont dare to buy Nvidia mid to highrange card.. the 12vhpwr makes me restless lol
I think a comparison of the GRE with the 6950 would be interesting.
What a times, when gaming and selecting proper graphics settings is getting out of hands and you have to spend some time to select proper setup, play with latency reducing features, frame generation, upscaling, ray tracing... Where is gaming in it?
Did anyone else noticed how Nvidia is using way more ram in games like Ratched & Clank? Some viwers pointed out this difference in archtecture before and I am paying more attention to these things now.
Its using noticeably more system ram on Ratchet and Clank because of the vram buffer spilling over.
I think, Daniel explains this quite well at 25:54 and onwards. Basically RTX4070 Super is at VRAM deficit on higher settings in this game, so it uses more RAM to store content instead of VRAM, which in turn makes everything work slower, even with Nvidia's RT advantage.
Watch the 4070 super vs 4070 ti super video and pay attention to the RAM. Every time the RAM usage is higher on the 4070 Super, it means it ran out of vram. It happens in other games besides Ratchet & Clank.
Where is the competition? Same performing cards for basically the same cost. WTF. Also no, no one is insane to turn on ray tracing on either of the cards so that is not a feature. AMD and Nvidia really share the same bed.
from this comparison, it is obvious that NVIDIA is a better choice. the fps difference is slight no matter who wins, the RT is huge difference, and AI is totally yes/no differnce.And we are not even talking about power consumption yet. the price difference is not that big.
"a crowded price class"
If only this was true right from the outset of the current generation of GPUs...
If only the crowded price class was 300$…
Hell, I would take $400 being a crowded segment instead of being the upsale segment.
The 4060 is $300. Stop whining. It's not like you buy a GPU every year.
had they made the 7900gre $500 and kept that $100 price gap vs nvidia, it would have been a win. at $550, it's not really a win like the 7800xt was vs the 4070 last year. AIB models here in Canada like the hellhound ($900+) are also a lot more expensive than the 4070s. Instead, the 7900xt should have been lowered to the price it should have been at at $650usd as that's the true successor to the 6800xt.
What do you think is worth it with this price difference? They are from the Italian market
€600 4070 Super
€730 4070 Ti
€840 4070 Ti super
€750 7900XT Impulse
€560 7900 gree
I like "Settings that make sense"
what the different between GRE and XT ?
GRE used to be exclusive to China and they're using worse chips with more power and clock speed restrictions. The XT is the better of the two.
Biggest difference is memory bandwidth.
GRE is the cut down version with less VRAM, bandwidth, cores, core and memory clocks. It's basically what chips that failed to be XT chips are turned into.
Rx7900gre has 60 CUs and XT has 80 CUs , mem 20gbps vs 18gbps , rx7900xt is still 20% faster .
dont really care about frame generation, those fake fps dont really matter even if it show +100fps
DLSS Quality + RT is how its meant to be played
buy nvidia gpu start from 4070 onwards
you may pick amd for the lower end cards because they have more vram
I personally compare the 7900gre without FSR (cause it looks like sh*t) to the 4070 super with DLSS on Quality/Balanced (cause it looks fine). So, even if I'd prefer 16GB of VRAM, the Nvidia card is easily my preferred card.
rx 6800 is one of the finest creation from amd till date.. sadly it's not available in my region, and if then with ridiculous pricing 😑, nvidia Don't have this type of 16gb vram/256 bit bus card within that price point
Don't get hung up on VRAm you won't even be using it.
@@BlackJesus8463 Oh you sure will in the coming years!
@@BlackJesus8463 we will,
@@BlackJesus8463 i still think 6800 is okay with 16gb, 6800 is the card where you brave 4k setting, but 7600xt on the other hand...
My point is older cards are still created better than newer ones.
@@BlackJesus8463dont get gpu which is already to be obsolescence
So 4070 super uses 8gb vram on cyberpunk on 4k ultra?? 😮😮
I don't know if it's something to do with jittery frame presentation, but FSR3 frame gen feels more like motion blur than fake frames in my experience. RDNA4 is said to improve on AI fronts, so I hope to see AMD focusing more on the quality aspects.
AMD has so many frames you don't need fake frames.
Because thats what it pretty much is. Frame gen adds frames to make the image look more fluid
@@BlackJesus8463yes, with 5 more fps you realy don't need fake frames 😅😅😅
@@12coco100 Nvidia's DLSS 3 looks better, it does NOT blur when done properly frame generation creates MORE motion clarity, not LESS. Motion blur isn't motion clarity.
It's already been established by the major tech reviewers that the generated frames between fsr3 and DLSS3 are comparable ... Maybe a slight quality edge to fsr3. Upscaling quality is a different matter and DLSS still has an advantage there.
@34:40 are you more drawn to driver stability? That was my reason for 4070S besides power consumption.
All these talks about upscaling made me think. I have a 2070 Super and I felt cheated by DLSS 3 being locked to newer generations (DLSS 4 could also be locked if Nvidia gets too greedy). If AMD's FSR 4 will be on par or better than DLSS 3 and will be supported across their generations of cards then I think it is a better investment. As for VRAM dilemma, I think 12gb should be fine for 1440p now (my card suffers heavily at this res) but 16gb would be a nice safety net to have. Personally I wouldn't see this video as an Nvidia win since winning on RT titles doesn't equate a victory if it involves tuning down settings down the line (which is what I experience now from my card lol)