I’m going to be honest with you and let you know that your voice sounds amazing! Honestly, if you were to pick out a hero from DC or Marvel, who would be your favorite character to cast as a voice actor and why?
I notice that Daniel added "(UE5)" in front of "RoboCop: Rogue City" after a commenter on a video a few days ago suggested some kind of indication of which games use UE5, since it's an important engine for the future. Credit to Daniel for reading the comments and acting on a suggestion. 👍
That comment was actually made by the UE5 AI bot It was clever self-promotion of the UE5 engine, ensuring that additional copies of the UE5 AI bot will run in the future More UE5 AI bots means they will find more ways to create more UE5 AI bots, and they will multiply out of control By the time you read this message, it may already be too late
@@clinten3131only leaning on 4070S because they are in stock and I can offload it quickly when the 5090 drops. Don't feel like committing to a 4090 at $2k for give or take 5mos.
I love the authenticity of Daniel’s videos with the kids in the background being kids and Daniel trying to do professional videos for us 🥰😇👍. Never stop being you Daniel or let the kids deter you from doing these videos. The videos feel more like an at home UA-camr / Streamer and less clinical and offical….. I personally love this video format as it is🥳👍
Me planning a build: Hmm, I have a 1080p widescreen and might go up to 1440 one day….I like the 6750xt but for 30 more I could get the rx 6800, well if I get the 6800 for only 50 more I could get the 7700xt. If I get the 7700xt for only 50 more I could get the 7800xt. Well I could get that but for only 50 more I could get the 7900 GRE. If I get that I’m only a bit shy of a 4070…..wait how am I suddenly way over budget lol
ahahah bro, exactly in the same boat as you. 50 > 50 > 50 it seems like a nominal difference but it really adds up at the end. Where im at a palit base model 4070 costs the same as a saphire nitro+ 7900 GRE. The nitro+ is an insane card so might aswell just get that..
@@williehrmann Problem is most pc gamers these days have already factored in the £250 "gaming chair" and £150 "gaming glasses" into their build, along with 12 RGB fans. They end up with an i3 and a 4060 pushing 35-45fps in 1080p! :D But at least their comfy and their glasses give them wallhack.
@@williehrmann Bro this is just wrong. You're gonna bottle neck your GPU if you get a bad CPU. They go hand and hand. A good GPU without a good CPU is pointless lmfao.
If the 4070 super had 16GB it would be a winner. I'd mainly buy it over a 7800xt or 7900GRE for ray tracing and I'm way more concerned about 12GB becoming a problem when ray tracing is on than for raster. Maybe next gen will have a 500 dollar 16GB 8800XT with better ray tracing or a 600 dollar 16Gb 5070
I would had bought 4070 Super if that happened. But yeah RX 8800 XT(or RDNA 4's strongest gpu) and RTX 5070 are the only gpus I would look forward to for next gen.
@@darrenmoore-mj2zq Given the results Daniel provides, it looks like neither card is usable with heavy ray tracing and both seem marginal in moderate ray tracing Neither card has one percent lows that are consistently above the 60 FPS that I prefer when playing with ray tracing. The fact that Daniel found that 12GB vs 16GB is already affecting the 4070S in Ratchet and Clank at 1440p/very high/RT high is another big red flag for me.
Thanks, Daniel. I have no idea how you manage to put these comprehensive videos together so quickly, but I'm very glad you do. This one is much tougher than the 4070 regular vs GRE matchup. If you can find the time, I would be grateful if you could compare the GRE against the 6950 XT to quell some lingering questions and doubts. Do it for posterity! 😅
Not really, as I understand it the GPU chip the 4070 uses can't have 16Gb memory. That's why the 4070 Ti Super that has 16Gb uses the same GPU chip as the 4080. Maybe the 4070 could have 24Gb, double the VRAM like they doubled it on the 4060 Ti. But nVidia charged $100 more for 8Gb more RAM so I guess a 4070 with 24Gb would cost $750. Who would buy that?
@@atnfn bruh no. if you look on tech powerup they had like 2 other versions of the gtx 1060 planned with 8 gigs of GDDR5X and 5 gigs of DDR5 memory that never released, as well a 10gig and 12 gig 1080ti that they never released. for the rtx 20 series they created a rtx 2080 ti 12 gig that they never released. they can realistically put almost any amount of vram if they wanedt to. why do think people are modding 2080 Tis to have 22gigs of vram?
The 4070 super doesn’t have 16 gigs of memory because the nvidiots at nvidia won’t have anything left to stick it to everyone in the rear next generation. Nvidia is one of the top companies in the s&p 500 next to Apple and Amazon and they didn’t get there by being an ethical company. $500 is more than one of these highest end cards should cost
$500 isn't high end in many electronics categories. Televisions, speakers, headphones, amplifiers, laptops, processors, cameras, lenses, drones...need I go on?
Personally I'd go for the GRE. I care more about the extra VRAM and slightly better raster. I don't wanna use RT if it means having to drop the res to get a good framerate. And in a lot of games it's not a good enough of an effect to warrant losing that perf.
Would 50 series finally be the generation where a 1440p/1080p card could be used for 1440p/1080p gaming with Ray tracing without seeing much frame drops?
Not with that sad RT performance in Alan Wake 2. There is games as demanding as that game coming out in late 2024. If you buy AMD now you're gonna be fucked in 2025. Before AMD steps up their raytracing game they are non existant to me.
I have tested both FSR and DLSS also FG and haven't noticed a bad increase in latency with any configuration in the 35ish+ FPS range as long as the 1% lows aren't far behind. I know some are sensitive, but I cannot notice but a miniscule difference for the life of me. Granted, from 30ish FPS and below, I notice it increases DRASTICALLY. Overall, I'd go with the Super. Especially with the workloads I do on top of the gaming features I use.
Of course the _type_ of game heavily matters. If it's a driving game or something playable with a controller I think frame generation gets a bad rap and is very usable, but it's _very_ noticeably sluggish on any kind of mouse controlled game where you're whipping the camera around. Problem there is those are the games where FPS is _most_ important so FG just ends up being a visually appealing feature in slow paced games.
The GRE cards everyone is testing are the models that retail for like $580. The MSRP cards suffer pretty hard on cooling and clocks. AMD will release a new BIOS they seem to claim that unlocks all the limitations on these cards, but cooling will be trouble.
@@Jasontvnd9 one reason is that they still power limit the card to 260w, and it'll only be like 4-5% faster than a 7800xt when limited to that. 2nd reason is from what I've seen a lot of the cheap models like the Asrock Challenger actually uses 7800xt cooler. This channel itself reported that AMD can mount the 7900 GRE die to a 7800xt board. To the 7800xt substrate. The reference GRE from what I've heard reviewers say, actually is smaller than the 7900xt cooler as well. It looks similar, but it is smaller. Can't remember if it was hardware unboxed who showed that.
@@eugkra33i have reference 7900GRE and it's doing fine - stock 88c hotspot max and 75 core with fans at 1300-1500rpm . Undervolted and overclocked memory to 2316mhz still better than stock performance but at 225w :D
I agree that the cards are very close. I'm tempted to get the GRE for a reason you didn't mention. It consistently runs 15 degrees cooler than the 4070 Super, despite the fact that it uses 270 Watts, while the Super is only 220 Watts. That's a credit to Power Color and their Hellhound design. Is there a 4070 Super card that runs cool that I should look at?
3 fan cards should be fine. I would recommend Gigabyte gaming / aero or MSI Gaming. Ignore ASUS (overpriced). Check some thermal benchmarks but tbh i find it hard to believe that best GRE cards would run colder than best 4070s cards.
@@contris1 Nowhere does he mention which 4070 Super card he is using, or if he did, I missed it. I went back and watched the comparison to the base 4070, and there he compared to the Founder's Edition. If this 4070 Super is also the Founder's Edition, that would explain the temperature difference. According to data I found somewhere, the FE runs with a max temp of 69, and a hot spot of 83, while the Gigabyte Gaming edition runs at 58 degrees with a hot spot of 71. That's about the same temperature difference as between the 4070S and the GRE in the review above. The Gigabyte Aero was even better, at 56.4 and a hot spot of 66.1, the lowest of any 4070 Super that I have seen. Good recommendations, so thank you.
@@carlr2837 it depens on the model you are using, he used a 3 fans 7900gre (May be a Saphire nitro+) and a 2 fans 4070s, if you buy a 3 fans 4070s, the temp will be better (Below 60c)
fr the 4070 super is wayyy more power efficient than the 7900 gre, for someone living in Europe like me, electricity aint cheap. I managed to undervolt my 4070 super to around 150W with almost stock performance while the 7900 gre uses 300W 💀
@@arbernuka3679 there are only 2 smashes on this comparision rt perf and wattage in 4070s favor, in the rest they are similar. Well the vram is the only smash the 7900 gre has
@@arbernuka3679 Yea and? It is not like everyone mentioned lol, since now nvidia has better efficiency people can acknowledge that, but going by your logic if you do that then you are a nvidia fan. Amd fanboys conveniently forget main selling points of their card last gen because it doesn't benefit them anymore.
Ironically says the guy that brings up something coz he got smashed without realising what he just said ffs. I know from that comment that you have zero idea why 6000 series had lower power draw and perceived performance improvement compared to 30 series............................................ I'll give you a minute or two so you can get your brain ready......................................................................................ya ready????????????????????????????? I'll give you a couple of clues, easy ones I promise. Apple or ...... phone? The number associated with a hit eminem song? A metric measurement of atomic proportions? Rhymes with Load? When you figure that part out ill happily explain the significance to the answer to you if reality is something you struggle with? Don't be afraid to sing out if you get stuck at any stage, I got you homie;) @@arbernuka3679
Honestly, the 4070S is kind of ass for ray tracing capability. I feel like you really have to shell out for the 4080 models to get a more comfortable native performance, but those prices are insane. If you're big into RT, and can be patient, I'd honestly just wait. I don't care all that much, personally, and bought a 7900 XT Pulse, since $1000 seems way too steep for a GPU to run at 1440p. Let's just hope that AMD pushes better RT capability, or Nvidia gives a better Price : Performance offering next generation, because they've definitely been very unattractive in that regard.
Where is the competition? Same performing cards for basically the same cost. WTF. Also no, no one is insane to turn on ray tracing on either of the cards so that is not a feature. AMD and Nvidia really share the same bed.
Hopefully AMD will improve on their Ray Accelerators with RX 8000 series. But considering how they've focused less on RT and more on Rasterization, I'm still impressed with the performance. Nvidia had 2nd gen with 30 series before AMD responded, so I almost always expect their RT to be superior for now.
I do have a 7800XT coming in 2 day's i got The Last Of Us working in Linux and my hope is that this card will work the 4070 ti i have works great but AMD being open source is why this will work even better i hope.
For ~50 USD more (4070S) you also have less energy consumption (~50-60W / ~22-28%), which slightly relatives the 50 USD more per year, Video Resolution upscaling, Video SDR to HDR upscaling, besides the better gaming quality while having a similiar performance. *Energy consumption example:* if you play 4 hours a day with 15ct/kwh and 400W you pay 87.60 USD (0.001x0.15x365x400Wx4hrs). If you play 4 hours a day with 50W less you pay 76.65 USD a year (-10.95 USD). If you play 8 hours a day it's already 175.20 USD a year vs. 153.30 USD (-21.90 USD). I don't know how much kwh actually is in the USA so I took 15ct/kwh cos it should be way less than in Germany for example (~20kwh new customer to ~42kwh old customer). If you pay more you can easily save 50 USD and way more per year by just investing the 50 USD into the 4070S - also take into mind that the 7900GRE often uses more than 50W more than the 4070S like you can see in the video *(up to 100W more!).*
I'll gladly accept the increased power draw and slightly worse upscaling and ray tracing of the 7900 GRE in order to get 4 extra GB of VRAM and better overall pure rasterization performance, while saving $50 off the hop. NVidia majorly F'd up by only including 12 GB of VRAM in a card at this price point. I'm not buying into NVidia's snake oil of frame gen, and ray tracing is just whatever.
The two problems of the RX 7900 GRE have a solution, consumption, undervolting, my GRE works at 240/250 w and also performs more, Raytracing, there are MODS like the DLSS enabler that makes you increase the FPS exponentially with RT. If not, AFMF 2 also works very well and you don't have to install anything.
from this comparison, it is obvious that NVIDIA is a better choice. the fps difference is slight no matter who wins, the RT is huge difference, and AI is totally yes/no differnce.And we are not even talking about power consumption yet. the price difference is not that big.
Shitty thing. Just install rnnoise. I use rtx voice in Nvidia broadcast for 1.5 year, and they really bad sometimes(Nvidia broadcast eat 1.3gb of ram lmao) but rnnoise with equalizer apo work fine all time on all mics
13:06 As someone who played the OG Cyberpunk 2077 with an RTX 3080 10GB at 1440p DLSS Quality and Ray Tracing on HIGH! I was happy to play the original game with the fps I got and with the 4070 Super being a fraction faster generally at around 50fps I’m happy to play most single player titles at these settings with around 50fps. Although I’m fortunate to have a. RTX 4090 for production and gaming now … I still use my RTX 3080 10GB for many other gaming sessions still. Unless I need the 4090 for new UE5 titles at 4k resolution with many / Al, bells and whistles activated.
I mainly use my gaming laptop for sim racing, which doesn't need crazy graphics, but rather as many fos as possible. I'm planning my next step in computer hardware and i'm going to build a desktop PC. The GRE fits quite well with what i want to do (no ray tracing needed and big screen)
What I was kind of expecting was maybe the GRE to be ahead, maybe allowing for a higher upscale resolution to make for FSR being worse... But not really the case. Between the two, the 4070 Super seems like an obvious choice all-around.
As someone who just bought the 4070 Super, yeah I'm a little wary of only having 12 GB of VRAM. However, I do play on a 1440p display. Furthermore, both cards are going to be pushing their limits at native 4k, so upscaling is going to be almost necessary if you're wanting high or ultra settings. In that case, I'd much rather have DLSS, as it really is superior to FSR. This is coming from someone who owned a 6000 series AMD card and enjoyed it. Not only that, but with the Nvidia card I get features like RTX HDR, which I value since I use an OLED display.
the 4070 super is also wayyy more power efficient than any amd card, for someone living in Europe like me, electricity aint cheap. I managed to undervolt my 4070 super to around 150W with almost stock performance while the 7900 gre uses 300W 💀
@@Flavish-g7e 12GB is fine. Look at the difference between high details and ultra. There's like 2 or 3 games in the world that need more than 12GB right now and if you needed it you would know it.
12gb Vram dude , don't touch it , unless you wanna look at stutters and freezing in games , look at rtx3070 and rtx3080 all garbage now , don't let dumbass Nvidia fanbabies pressure you to have Nvidia logo on your GPU , think smart get 16gb Vram GPU save the headache later.
The 4070S ist a splendid card. A little tuning with the curve editor of MSI Afterburner and you got excellent performance at around 200w of power draw. The memory is insanely overclockable for some reason, mine does +2000Mhz. And tp all the "12Gb ist a No Go" screamers: Black Myth Wukong uses about 7-8Gb in 1440p maxed out and runs at 65-90 fp/s smooth as Butter. With DLSS and framegen that is of course. Plays perfectly nonetheless.
How much vram do actually use though? I bet most people could get by with 12GB for years just playing on high instead of ultra and they don't even look that different.
DLSS is such a nice and useful feature to have. I came from a 6700 10GB and upgraded to a 4070 Super and i can tell you the difference between FSR and DLSS is like night and day.
the tech will get even better too. all of this is still "relatively" new. in 5-10 years from now wattage use will be at a minimum hopefully while performance continues to thoroughly increase
@@lifemocker85 better code = better optimisation = better performance without increasing hardware load. read a book or two... maybe you could learn something
Hellhound also use custom pcb, like 7800xt with extra power phase and higher TGP than ref. models. With that epic cooler and only slight price premium over ref. it best bang for buck model. It sucks they used slower vram chips that dont like overclocking.
I have a RTX2080ti in my main system now and am thinking about upgrading to either a 4070 super or 7900GRE. It is hard but I think the 7900GRE gives me more bucks for the money as I don't really miss Ray-Tracing and mostly never used it on my 2080ti.
I think both of these cards need another 50 to 100 off to make sense when we're at the tail end of a generation. Sinking 600 into a 12gb vram card even for 1440p gaming would feel bad in a year or two. Imagine when you have to turn down shaders because of stutters and not because the card isn't fast enough to run at 1440p. It's going to be the rx 580 4gb vs the rx580 8gb all over again. I don't think anyone can go wrong picking either cards if they go on sale however.
Hello daniel, hardware unboxed said in the latest version of their GRE review that AMD is fixing the limited overclocking ability of the card. could I ask you if that is worth looking into please?
I would recommend not to buy until that is a reality. Many reviews of the 6800 mentioned that for the time being it isn't possible to increase voltage (it is basically undervolted from factory). I own a 6800, to this day it is artificially nerfed. It's probable that 7900 GRE OC status isn't a bug, but intended, and AMD is just considering changing their mind (or a deception to drive sale)
I genuinely can't conclude whether upgrading from a 3070 to a 7900GRE (taking RT and DLSS into account) would actually feel like a worthwhile upgrade or not. 4K is my goal, albeit I'm ok with DLSS Quality Mode upscaling where necessary, and I'm just not sure about the GRE...whereas the next series of cards are likely to be on the market within 12 months, so will that lead to buyers remorse combined with not feeling that £500 offered sufficient upgrade over 3070? Then again maybe the GRE would be an absolute champion and in non-RT gaming @ 4k it delivers a great experience? Or should a 4070 Super be the choice? I'm just glad 'choice' is applicable nowadays....without being hampered by the most insane 2020-style price gouging!
If you are playing 1440p only, 4070S is pretty good. The only problem is Nvidia is so much more popular it is almost impossible to get one at MSRP. AMD is always available at MSRP on the other hand which makes the actual irl price a lot cheaper.
@@12coco100 1440p Ultra will surely make it run out of vram at 1440p. It kinda sucks that vram is the limiter only. You can see that it can compete or beat 7900 gre at raster where vram limit is not reached like in 1080p. Nvidia is only able to command this price because of DLSS superiority and it's RT.
What do you think is worth it with this price difference? They are from the Italian market €600 4070 Super €730 4070 Ti €840 4070 Ti super €750 7900XT Impulse €560 7900 gree
4070 super is the better option for those that want the best now, and expect to build a new system after a gen (so, rtx 6000). RX 7900 GRE is the better option for those that expect to own the PC for 2 or more generations, don't underestimate those 16gb and raw performance potential. Depending on what the PS6 packs it could run till the moon almost 8gb rx 480 style (but if the PS6 surpasses the 4070super at RT then both cards will become obsolete)
I think the 4070 S wins for me here. Simply because DLSS, the 12gb of VRAM isn't a big deal/deal-breaker for me since the most VRAM hungry games I play are CP2077, Modded Skyrim, & Starfield. Though I might pick up Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart & Test Drive Unlimited: Solar Crown at some point. So, even though I don't have either of these GPUs, I recommend looking at what games you currently play, and those that you plan to play in the future before you start worrying about VRAM. I think a good example of a popular game that people play is Elden Ring, it only takes 4.5~ gb of ram on maximum textures, my current laptop only has 6gb of VRAM, outside of the issues with the laptop itself, when the cooler isn't causing the GPU to down-clock, it runs "good enough". But with CP2077, I have to turn the textures down to medium to stay under 6gb of VRAM, and in all honesty, I can't tell a difference between medium and high textures. It might just be because I'm playing at 1080p. TL;DR: Look at what games you *actually* play/plan to play, and their VRAM usage before falling victim to the whole doomer debate of "X amount of VRAM won't be enough for anyone". P.S: Hardware Unboxed made a good video discussing PCIe lane/speed bottlenecks, and the general consensus of that video was that if you're running at gen 4.0, and more so 4.0 x16, even if you run out of VRAM, it does a good job of picking up the slack, though it's still recommend to lower the textures down a tier. I definitely recommend watching it for yourself. P.P.S: I think I set the world record of using the acronym "VRAM" in a comment lol.
12gb vram is more than enough what people think is vram consumption is actually vram allocated, vram which is actually utilized is even less than 10gb in highest settings at 1440p in most games
the 4070 super is also wayyy more power efficient than any amd card, for someone living in Europe like me, electricity aint cheap. I managed to undervolt my 4070 super to around 150W with almost stock performance while the 7900 gre uses 300W 💀
rx 6800 is one of the finest creation from amd till date.. sadly it's not available in my region, and if then with ridiculous pricing 😑, nvidia Don't have this type of 16gb vram/256 bit bus card within that price point
@@BlackJesus8463 i still think 6800 is okay with 16gb, 6800 is the card where you brave 4k setting, but 7600xt on the other hand... My point is older cards are still created better than newer ones.
had they made the 7900gre $500 and kept that $100 price gap vs nvidia, it would have been a win. at $550, it's not really a win like the 7800xt was vs the 4070 last year. AIB models here in Canada like the hellhound ($900+) are also a lot more expensive than the 4070s. Instead, the 7900xt should have been lowered to the price it should have been at at $650usd as that's the true successor to the 6800xt.
I managed to snatch 7900GRE for 555 USD. That's price 5 bucks lower then 7800XT and 100 bucks less then what 4070S is being sold for in our country. Def took it for the price.
Great video covering loads of important points!.... The 7900GRE is cheaper, performs better in most games specially those not called cyberpunk and is more futurproof thanks to additional vram.... The GRE is making the 4070 nvidia cards look very overpriced.
thinking hard about a new gpu for my amd, not sure to buy now or wait for the 8000 series and battlemage to come out and i;m in no rush since i game mostly on my other comp
sadly all the midrange have so many cons, nvidia with 12gb vram it cripple its gpu, meanwhile AMD have everything but dont have the premium software like dlss. both its still overpriced.
Thank you for this great comparison. IMO the 4070s is better than 7900gre for several reasons: 1- In most games The 4070s consumes around 100W less than the 7900gre while the difference in performance is small and not worth the extra wattage (Electricity bills and GPU life longevity is very important). 2- DLSS is better than FSR, and you can run both in NVIDIA GPUs unlike AMD GPUs that's bound only to FSR 3- (and this is the important reason) the 4070s is only 50$ more than the 7900gre, so it's not that appealing and the 7900gre has to be around 500$ or less to be a better choice. 4- The 4070s is also better for Productivity and streaming.
Great points but I want to counter them 1) Undervolting exists and honestly if you're building a 1500$ pc a little higher electricity bill shouldn't be a problem 2) Can't argue, dlss is king. Just hope amd also come up with something similar, given the fact they have AI cores in the 7000 series 3) 4070S is 50$ more expensive for weaker raster and less vram, so ray tracing and frame gen features might be unusable in the future as seen in ratchet and clank 4) Also a pretty good point but I guess for gaming only builds 7900GRE is a better choice
@@Efsaaneh the 4070s can be undervolted to 140w, the 7900gre would still eat more than the 4070s for around 100w even its undervolted. The driver on the nvidia's card is more stable than the amd's card, if you dont turn on RT, 12gb vram will be enough for 2k gaming even most of tiltle at 4k gaming except some bad optimization games like tlou.
I have a question, beyond terms of fps consumption or price etc... Which of the two between nvidia or amd is more RELIABLE, rather than failures, I come from a bad experience of years with amd with its adrenaline software that was misconfigured , problems with its updates and problems with some games with which it did not work correctly and I had to wait for them to fix it with patches..... should I give amd a chance or is nvidia better optimized? I have never been an nvidia user
something that always bugs me is your 7800x3d only clocking at 4.7Ghz~4.9Ghz, you should enable PBO and do a curve optimizer of negative 30 magnitude. it would boost to 5.25Ghz~5.35Ghz which in the 7800x3D will give you mooaaarr FPS
The price difference is irrelevant when you consider the fact that the GRE eats up nearly 50% more power...which is ridiculous. When you factor in the electricity bill then the 4070 actually ends up being cheaper (in the long run). Higher point of entry, but cheaper to maintain.
Yes in new games it does, if you don't want your gpu to become obsolete after 2 to 3 years and you're gonna use ray tracing get a card with atleast 12 or more preferably 16 gb vram for 1080p/1440p.
I ran a 3070 8gb until yday and was having a blast on 1440p never had any real vram issue. These idiots just yap dude. 12gb on 1080p is fine. Dont listen to ASB the yapp wagon
What's stopping ppl from going AMD despite the higher frames is DLSS, NVENC, and less power draw. Solve just two out of the three at least. Losing AMD anti-lag+ did not help them as they're so behind.
I wish there was a bench mark for 4k in Cyberpunk with ultra and high settings and the back off RT settings to RT reflections and DLSS. Hopefully in future benchmarks those are included with these and the 4070 ti super and 4080 super class cards.
I can't get past the extra 4GB of VRAM for $50 less at the same raster performance. I'm upgrading next month, and it's one of these two cards and I can't make a decision, but I'm leaning towards the GRE. The 60W less average power us is a big one for me though, I like cool and quiet.
Temps and noise aren't a problem, at least not on the Sapphire and Powercolor models, they have very good cooler designs. Both are AMDs best board partners in my opinion. As for the power consumption, I undervolted mine and it's worth it.
@@Ashitaka0815 I got the Hellhound, and yeah, it's the best cooler I've ever had on a GPU, the fans stop spinning like 30 seconds after I stop playing a game, and it's amazingly quiet. It came vanilla at 290W peak board power, and right now I'm running it undervolted at 265W peak board power, but still getting an extra 8% performance out of it according to synthetic benchmarks, which from HUB and Techpowerups testing, seems to translate to about that much extra frame in a lot of games. I'm happy with the GRE, it exceeded my expectations. The one thing about the Sapphire models is that they use the SK Hynix VRAM modules instead of the Samsung, and folks have had a lot more luck pushing the speeds on those. I can get a stable 19Gb/s effective out of the Hellhound GDDR6, which puts it at 610GB/s bandwidth, so I'm happy with that, the performance returns seem to diminish as you go up with the VRAM thanks to the bus width of 256, but extra core clocks does seem to have good returns, given how much of the Navi 31 chip render hardware is still active on the GRE. The 80 RT cores do seem to help with whatever light RT I need to do, it runs Exodus Enhanced Ultra at 70fps, so there's that.
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I’m going to be honest with you and let you know that your voice sounds amazing! Honestly, if you were to pick out a hero from DC or Marvel, who would be your favorite character to cast as a voice actor and why?
I notice that Daniel added "(UE5)" in front of "RoboCop: Rogue City" after a commenter on a video a few days ago suggested some kind of indication of which games use UE5, since it's an important engine for the future. Credit to Daniel for reading the comments and acting on a suggestion. 👍
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He listened to his students and incorporated their feedback into future content promptly.
@@jonboy602 Students know best.
That comment was actually made by the UE5 AI bot
It was clever self-promotion of the UE5 engine, ensuring that additional copies of the UE5 AI bot will run in the future
More UE5 AI bots means they will find more ways to create more UE5 AI bots, and they will multiply out of control
By the time you read this message, it may already be too late
Guys, Before buying a 12 gb Vram gpu in 2024 just remember people who bought 3070 ti with 8 gh vram just few years ago.
my favorite is people sick of 10GB 3080's buing 4070's XD
@@Dankuzmeemusmaximuswait... I'm about to go 4070S to further downsize my ITX build. 😂
I wouldn't go lower than 16 gb vram. Games use more and more. Hardware Unboxed also recommends 16gb.
@@clinten3131only leaning on 4070S because they are in stock and I can offload it quickly when the 5090 drops. Don't feel like committing to a 4090 at $2k for give or take 5mos.
@@vizcatis the 5090 supposed to be cheaper?
I love the authenticity of Daniel’s videos with the kids in the background being kids and Daniel trying to do professional videos for us 🥰😇👍. Never stop being you Daniel or let the kids deter you from doing these videos. The videos feel more like an at home UA-camr / Streamer and less clinical and offical….. I personally love this video format as it is🥳👍
nah
Kids being kids in the backround gives the videos some personal/ homey flavor
That's how we roll here.
is he a dad?
@@thefurmidablecatlucky3 I think 2 daughters he has so he is not just a dad, he is a lucky dad :)
Me planning a build: Hmm, I have a 1080p widescreen and might go up to 1440 one day….I like the 6750xt but for 30 more I could get the rx 6800, well if I get the 6800 for only 50 more I could get the 7700xt. If I get the 7700xt for only 50 more I could get the 7800xt. Well I could get that but for only 50 more I could get the 7900 GRE. If I get that I’m only a bit shy of a 4070…..wait how am I suddenly way over budget lol
ahahah bro, exactly in the same boat as you. 50 > 50 > 50 it seems like a nominal difference but it really adds up at the end. Where im at a palit base model 4070 costs the same as a saphire nitro+ 7900 GRE. The nitro+ is an insane card so might aswell just get that..
never cheap out on the GPU, just get a lower spec CPU instead.
@@williehrmann Problem is most pc gamers these days have already factored in the £250 "gaming chair" and £150 "gaming glasses" into their build, along with 12 RGB fans. They end up with an i3 and a 4060 pushing 35-45fps in 1080p! :D
But at least their comfy and their glasses give them wallhack.
@@Abdullah-cb4np thats what im thinking of doing also, the 8000 series is almost out too, which would make the 7000 series cheaper
@@williehrmann Bro this is just wrong. You're gonna bottle neck your GPU if you get a bad CPU. They go hand and hand. A good GPU without a good CPU is pointless lmfao.
If the 4070 super had 16GB it would be a winner.
I'd mainly buy it over a 7800xt or 7900GRE for ray tracing and I'm way more concerned about 12GB becoming a problem when ray tracing is on than for raster.
Maybe next gen will have a 500 dollar 16GB 8800XT with better ray tracing or a 600 dollar 16Gb 5070
I would had bought 4070 Super if that happened. But yeah RX 8800 XT(or RDNA 4's strongest gpu) and RTX 5070 are the only gpus I would look forward to for next gen.
Is ray tracing on a 4070 super playable at 1440p. If not, the AMD cards win.
@@darrenmoore-mj2zqMainly if you use DLSS.
@@darrenmoore-mj2zq Given the results Daniel provides, it looks like neither card is usable with heavy ray tracing and both seem marginal in moderate ray tracing
Neither card has one percent lows that are consistently above the 60 FPS that I prefer when playing with ray tracing.
The fact that Daniel found that 12GB vs 16GB is already affecting the 4070S in Ratchet and Clank at 1440p/very high/RT high is another big red flag for me.
Go with the ti super then, the thing is it it like 500 more dollars for that extra 4 vram
Had Nvidia given 16GB with 4070Super, they would have launched a winner
Would be still overpriced
@@lifemocker85bro 😂😂😂
yet everyone out there buys NVIDIA vs AMD 5:1 , guess who's out of GPU business after next gen
@@NeverSettleForMediocrity jewtel
They did, but they called it a ti super and charging $200 more lol
You really kill it with these videos man! Nobody brings the important context to these comparison videos like u. Super helpful, thank u!
i dont really remember the scenes its video i rarely rewatch, but the first fight at 'parking lot' and helicopter demolition does look great iirc
Thanks, Daniel. I have no idea how you manage to put these comprehensive videos together so quickly, but I'm very glad you do. This one is much tougher than the 4070 regular vs GRE matchup. If you can find the time, I would be grateful if you could compare the GRE against the 6950 XT to quell some lingering questions and doubts. Do it for posterity! 😅
Just watch GN or HUB
Kinda wild theres a 16gb 4060ti but not any 16gb 4070
Not really, as I understand it the GPU chip the 4070 uses can't have 16Gb memory. That's why the 4070 Ti Super that has 16Gb uses the same GPU chip as the 4080. Maybe the 4070 could have 24Gb, double the VRAM like they doubled it on the 4060 Ti. But nVidia charged $100 more for 8Gb more RAM so I guess a 4070 with 24Gb would cost $750. Who would buy that?
@@atnfn their is nothing stopping it from using 16 GB they would just have to change the memory bus which can be changed.
they did the same with the 3060 back in the day, why is so surprising.
@@hamster_master Yes and that's the 4070 Ti Super
@@atnfn bruh no. if you look on tech powerup they had like 2 other versions of the gtx 1060 planned with 8 gigs of GDDR5X and 5 gigs of DDR5 memory that never released, as well a 10gig and 12 gig 1080ti that they never released. for the rtx 20 series they created a rtx 2080 ti 12 gig that they never released. they can realistically put almost any amount of vram if they wanedt to. why do think people are modding 2080 Tis to have 22gigs of vram?
The 4070 super doesn’t have 16 gigs of memory because the nvidiots at nvidia won’t have anything left to stick it to everyone in the rear next generation. Nvidia is one of the top companies in the s&p 500 next to Apple and Amazon and they didn’t get there by being an ethical company. $500 is more than one of these highest end cards should cost
or maybe they just want to hear you kids cry cry
Lmao fuck amd, I ain’t never gonna buy a gpu from them
$500 isn't high end in many electronics categories. Televisions, speakers, headphones, amplifiers, laptops, processors, cameras, lenses, drones...need I go on?
@@davidfg2917nvidia glazer
@@loucipher7782ain't nobody crying
Personally I'd go for the GRE. I care more about the extra VRAM and slightly better raster. I don't wanna use RT if it means having to drop the res to get a good framerate. And in a lot of games it's not a good enough of an effect to warrant losing that perf.
I would pick the card with the best raster performance every time.
im all about raw performance and no fake frames. so i think the 7900 GRE is my next gpu.
cheaper and more vram.
Would 50 series finally be the generation where a 1440p/1080p card could be used for 1440p/1080p gaming with Ray tracing without seeing much frame drops?
There were some articles that stated that the OC is bugged at the moment on GRE models. So that could improve even more whenever they fix the problem.
Funny to find you here haha. Love what you do for Ren. 🙏🏽
@@LorenzoFrausto I have other interests too. Haha. :D
7900GRE is the best card this generation by MSRP
so is the 7800xt at 459 bucks
@@LowKeyOfficialYT depends on the country too. Here in France 7800 XT is 500€, 7900 GRE is 575€ (with a better cooler though)
Not with that sad RT performance in Alan Wake 2. There is games as demanding as that game coming out in late 2024. If you buy AMD now you're gonna be fucked in 2025. Before AMD steps up their raytracing game they are non existant to me.
@@williehrmann Agree, if the only game that you play is Alan Wake
@@williehrmann Literally shows robo cop and avatar run pretty much the same performance for 7900gre
Gotta love some tiny Daniel 😁
Great video mate. Always full of good info that people can actually use
I'm tiny now cool...
I love that one🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Both are comparable in pure power, however the 4070 super has superior resolution upscaling and frame gen tech.
a 4070 Ti Super for a roughly 650-750$ would be a market winner here...
“If you didn’t get the kill, you need to increase your skill.” I felt that. Great video!
I like the fact that you manually move your Camera capture. That alone will make me subscribe
I have tested both FSR and DLSS also FG and haven't noticed a bad increase in latency with any configuration in the 35ish+ FPS range as long as the 1% lows aren't far behind.
I know some are sensitive, but I cannot notice but a miniscule difference for the life of me.
Granted, from 30ish FPS and below, I notice it increases DRASTICALLY.
Overall, I'd go with the Super. Especially with the workloads I do on top of the gaming features I use.
Of course the _type_ of game heavily matters. If it's a driving game or something playable with a controller I think frame generation gets a bad rap and is very usable, but it's _very_ noticeably sluggish on any kind of mouse controlled game where you're whipping the camera around. Problem there is those are the games where FPS is _most_ important so FG just ends up being a visually appealing feature in slow paced games.
The GRE cards everyone is testing are the models that retail for like $580. The MSRP cards suffer pretty hard on cooling and clocks. AMD will release a new BIOS they seem to claim that unlocks all the limitations on these cards, but cooling will be trouble.
They use the same cooler as the 7900XT which doesn't have cooling uses so why with 70w less would the GRE have issues?
@@Jasontvnd9 one reason is that they still power limit the card to 260w, and it'll only be like 4-5% faster than a 7800xt when limited to that. 2nd reason is from what I've seen a lot of the cheap models like the Asrock Challenger actually uses 7800xt cooler. This channel itself reported that AMD can mount the 7900 GRE die to a 7800xt board. To the 7800xt substrate. The reference GRE from what I've heard reviewers say, actually is smaller than the 7900xt cooler as well. It looks similar, but it is smaller. Can't remember if it was hardware unboxed who showed that.
@@eugkra33i have reference 7900GRE and it's doing fine - stock 88c hotspot max and 75 core with fans at 1300-1500rpm . Undervolted and overclocked memory to 2316mhz still better than stock performance but at 225w :D
Crazy that the only ppl complaining about these cards are people who have never used these cards.
It's evident how hard you work, much appreciated. I already have a high end graphics card so not even shopping for one but I really love your content!
I agree that the cards are very close. I'm tempted to get the GRE for a reason you didn't mention. It consistently runs 15 degrees cooler than the 4070 Super, despite the fact that it uses 270 Watts, while the Super is only 220 Watts. That's a credit to Power Color and their Hellhound design. Is there a 4070 Super card that runs cool that I should look at?
3 fan cards should be fine. I would recommend Gigabyte gaming / aero or MSI Gaming. Ignore ASUS (overpriced). Check some thermal benchmarks but tbh i find it hard to believe that best GRE cards would run colder than best 4070s cards.
@@contris1 Nowhere does he mention which 4070 Super card he is using, or if he did, I missed it. I went back and watched the comparison to the base 4070, and there he compared to the Founder's Edition. If this 4070 Super is also the Founder's Edition, that would explain the temperature difference. According to data I found somewhere, the FE runs with a max temp of 69, and a hot spot of 83, while the Gigabyte Gaming edition runs at 58 degrees with a hot spot of 71. That's about the same temperature difference as between the 4070S and the GRE in the review above. The Gigabyte Aero was even better, at 56.4 and a hot spot of 66.1, the lowest of any 4070 Super that I have seen. Good recommendations, so thank you.
@@carlr2837 np. I did some research as i wanted to buy 4070s but unfortunately my PSU doesnt have two 8Pins just 1x6 and 1x8 :/
@@carlr2837 it depens on the model you are using, he used a 3 fans 7900gre (May be a Saphire nitro+) and a 2 fans 4070s, if you buy a 3 fans 4070s, the temp will be better (Below 60c)
Also add power efficiency to the equation. 15-20 percent fps increase for 40 percent more power.
fr the 4070 super is wayyy more power efficient than the 7900 gre, for someone living in Europe like me, electricity aint cheap. I managed to undervolt my 4070 super to around 150W with almost stock performance while the 7900 gre uses 300W 💀
Dude, the wattage difference is freaking insane!
It's a whole tier higher!
Just something for folks to remember depending on the area they live!
Typical nvidia fan..always bringing something when they get smashed. Where you were when 6000 series destroyed nvidia 30 in power draw last year ?
@@arbernuka3679to add to that I think RX 7000 reports board power and RTX 40 gpu reports core power
@@arbernuka3679 there are only 2 smashes on this comparision rt perf and wattage in 4070s favor, in the rest they are similar. Well the vram is the only smash the 7900 gre has
@@arbernuka3679 Yea and? It is not like everyone mentioned lol, since now nvidia has better efficiency people can acknowledge that, but going by your logic if you do that then you are a nvidia fan. Amd fanboys conveniently forget main selling points of their card last gen because it doesn't benefit them anymore.
Ironically says the guy that brings up something coz he got smashed without realising what he just said ffs. I know from that comment that you have zero idea why 6000 series had lower power draw and perceived performance improvement compared to 30 series............................................ I'll give you a minute or two so you can get your brain ready......................................................................................ya ready?????????????????????????????
I'll give you a couple of clues, easy ones I promise.
Apple or ...... phone?
The number associated with a hit eminem song?
A metric measurement of atomic proportions?
Rhymes with Load?
When you figure that part out ill happily explain the significance to the answer to you if reality is something you struggle with?
Don't be afraid to sing out if you get stuck at any stage, I got you homie;) @@arbernuka3679
Honestly, the 4070S is kind of ass for ray tracing capability. I feel like you really have to shell out for the 4080 models to get a more comfortable native performance, but those prices are insane. If you're big into RT, and can be patient, I'd honestly just wait. I don't care all that much, personally, and bought a 7900 XT Pulse, since $1000 seems way too steep for a GPU to run at 1440p. Let's just hope that AMD pushes better RT capability, or Nvidia gives a better Price : Performance offering next generation, because they've definitely been very unattractive in that regard.
The Hellhound has such a good cooler for the money.
Where is the competition? Same performing cards for basically the same cost. WTF. Also no, no one is insane to turn on ray tracing on either of the cards so that is not a feature. AMD and Nvidia really share the same bed.
Bless you sir. This is the comparison I've been hoping for.
Hopefully AMD will improve on their Ray Accelerators with RX 8000 series. But considering how they've focused less on RT and more on Rasterization, I'm still impressed with the performance. Nvidia had 2nd gen with 30 series before AMD responded, so I almost always expect their RT to be superior for now.
Nobody cares about rt
I do have a 7800XT coming in 2 day's i got The Last Of Us working in Linux and my hope is that this card will work the 4070 ti i have works great but AMD being open source is why this will work even better i hope.
For ~50 USD more (4070S) you also have less energy consumption (~50-60W / ~22-28%), which slightly relatives the 50 USD more per year, Video Resolution upscaling, Video SDR to HDR upscaling, besides the better gaming quality while having a similiar performance.
*Energy consumption example:* if you play 4 hours a day with 15ct/kwh and 400W you pay 87.60 USD (0.001x0.15x365x400Wx4hrs). If you play 4 hours a day with 50W less you pay 76.65 USD a year (-10.95 USD). If you play 8 hours a day it's already 175.20 USD a year vs. 153.30 USD (-21.90 USD). I don't know how much kwh actually is in the USA so I took 15ct/kwh cos it should be way less than in Germany for example (~20kwh new customer to ~42kwh old customer). If you pay more you can easily save 50 USD and way more per year by just investing the 50 USD into the 4070S - also take into mind that the 7900GRE often uses more than 50W more than the 4070S like you can see in the video *(up to 100W more!).*
more watts also means more heat being created.
@@contris1 good for the feet under the desk in the winter :))
I'll gladly accept the increased power draw and slightly worse upscaling and ray tracing of the 7900 GRE in order to get 4 extra GB of VRAM and better overall pure rasterization performance, while saving $50 off the hop. NVidia majorly F'd up by only including 12 GB of VRAM in a card at this price point. I'm not buying into NVidia's snake oil of frame gen, and ray tracing is just whatever.
Amd - afmf
Bro energy consumption lol. It's more important to have more vram
The two problems of the RX 7900 GRE have a solution, consumption, undervolting, my GRE works at 240/250 w and also performs more, Raytracing, there are MODS like the DLSS enabler that makes you increase the FPS exponentially with RT. If not, AFMF 2 also works very well and you don't have to install anything.
from this comparison, it is obvious that NVIDIA is a better choice. the fps difference is slight no matter who wins, the RT is huge difference, and AI is totally yes/no differnce.And we are not even talking about power consumption yet. the price difference is not that big.
Hardware unboxed just got heat for reviewing stock cards vs OC and the hellhound is probably the best OC card. Your Super a Gigabyte Aorus Master?
You should try RTX Audio noise cancellation for the background noise.
Shitty thing. Just install rnnoise. I use rtx voice in Nvidia broadcast for 1.5 year, and they really bad sometimes(Nvidia broadcast eat 1.3gb of ram lmao) but rnnoise with equalizer apo work fine all time on all mics
13:06 As someone who played the OG Cyberpunk 2077 with an RTX 3080 10GB at 1440p DLSS Quality and Ray Tracing on HIGH! I was happy to play the original game with the fps I got and with the 4070 Super being a fraction faster generally at around 50fps I’m happy to play most single player titles at these settings with around 50fps.
Although I’m fortunate to have a. RTX 4090 for production and gaming now … I still use my RTX 3080 10GB for many other gaming sessions still. Unless I need the 4090 for new UE5 titles at 4k resolution with many / Al, bells and whistles activated.
Also I play at 1440p ultrawide with my RTX 3080
Debating on this card as a temp card to replace my 3080, until the 5090 drops.
I mainly use my gaming laptop for sim racing, which doesn't need crazy graphics, but rather as many fos as possible. I'm planning my next step in computer hardware and i'm going to build a desktop PC. The GRE fits quite well with what i want to do (no ray tracing needed and big screen)
What I was kind of expecting was maybe the GRE to be ahead, maybe allowing for a higher upscale resolution to make for FSR being worse... But not really the case. Between the two, the 4070 Super seems like an obvious choice all-around.
I really appreciate all the research folk like you do in this crazy GPU market, makes it easier for us to purchase wisely.
As someone who just bought the 4070 Super, yeah I'm a little wary of only having 12 GB of VRAM. However, I do play on a 1440p display. Furthermore, both cards are going to be pushing their limits at native 4k, so upscaling is going to be almost necessary if you're wanting high or ultra settings. In that case, I'd much rather have DLSS, as it really is superior to FSR. This is coming from someone who owned a 6000 series AMD card and enjoyed it. Not only that, but with the Nvidia card I get features like RTX HDR, which I value since I use an OLED display.
the 4070 super is also wayyy more power efficient than any amd card, for someone living in Europe like me, electricity aint cheap. I managed to undervolt my 4070 super to around 150W with almost stock performance while the 7900 gre uses 300W 💀
Putting in some solid work DO. Another nice comparison
How do these two stack up now with the driver update though?
the psu you need for the 7900gre will certainly add to the cost
there is a significant price leap in those psu level
I have seen many reviews on many cards. Why does no one ever test VR. Did all the reviews forget about it?
What if the 4070 super is 50$ cheaper in your country??
4070s at same price, need i say more if its cheaper by 50 pounds
@@alfrdhrnndz 12 gb vram is scarry tho, look at the 3070 now as an example.
@@Flavish-g7e 12GB is fine. Look at the difference between high details and ultra. There's like 2 or 3 games in the world that need more than 12GB right now and if you needed it you would know it.
@@Flavish-g7eremember how long 8gb cards lasted for? It's true that 12gb cards "are next in line" but that's still quite a bit away
12gb Vram dude , don't touch it , unless you wanna look at stutters and freezing in games , look at rtx3070 and rtx3080 all garbage now , don't let dumbass Nvidia fanbabies pressure you to have Nvidia logo on your GPU , think smart get 16gb Vram GPU save the headache later.
The 4070S ist a splendid card. A little tuning with the curve editor of MSI Afterburner and you got excellent performance at around 200w of power draw. The memory is insanely overclockable for some reason, mine does +2000Mhz. And tp all the "12Gb ist a No Go" screamers: Black Myth Wukong uses about 7-8Gb in 1440p maxed out and runs at 65-90 fp/s smooth as Butter. With DLSS and framegen that is of course. Plays perfectly nonetheless.
I'll be rocking my 6800XT for the foreseeable future but still watch these to keep up with current HW
How much vram do actually use though? I bet most people could get by with 12GB for years just playing on high instead of ultra and they don't even look that different.
6800xt 3080 still have no upgrade path just overpriced 4090....
In my case, below 8gb for competitive fps and 10gb-14gb for modded solo rpg... @@BlackJesus8463
The only sensible upgrade are xtx /4080 and up
@@BlackJesus8463 people who play at 4k...
Great review! Thx Daniel!
i went with the 7900 GRE. i don't want to run out of v ram in a year or 2, or even now in some games.
DLSS is such a nice and useful feature to have. I came from a 6700 10GB and upgraded to a 4070 Super and i can tell you the difference between FSR and DLSS is like night and day.
the tech will get even better too. all of this is still "relatively" new. in 5-10 years from now wattage use will be at a minimum hopefully while performance continues to thoroughly increase
Software tricks aint performance
@@lifemocker85 I used to say the same thing until I tried it. Now I use it all the time.
@@lifemocker85 better code = better optimisation = better performance without increasing hardware load. read a book or two... maybe you could learn something
@@ChudMuffin69 insufficient vram cannot handle increased demands when graphics are getting better
Hellhound also use custom pcb, like 7800xt with extra power phase and higher TGP than ref. models. With that epic cooler and only slight price premium over ref. it best bang for buck model. It sucks they used slower vram chips that dont like overclocking.
Thanks Daniel, another great comparison
Wow, up to 178k subs now!
Do you think that asus will release their version of 7900 gre in following weeks ?
I have a RTX2080ti in my main system now and am thinking about upgrading to either a 4070 super or 7900GRE. It is hard but I think the 7900GRE gives me more bucks for the money as I don't really miss Ray-Tracing and mostly never used it on my 2080ti.
Bucks for the money?
@@gianmarco226 a shit haha. I meant to say "Bang for the bucks".
I think both of these cards need another 50 to 100 off to make sense when we're at the tail end of a generation. Sinking 600 into a 12gb vram card even for 1440p gaming would feel bad in a year or two. Imagine when you have to turn down shaders because of stutters and not because the card isn't fast enough to run at 1440p. It's going to be the rx 580 4gb vs the rx580 8gb all over again. I don't think anyone can go wrong picking either cards if they go on sale however.
The new GRE driver would surprise you as well as a moderate VRAM overclock.
Hello daniel, hardware unboxed said in the latest version of their GRE review that AMD is fixing the limited overclocking ability of the card. could I ask you if that is worth looking into please?
It's worth a boycott. 7900XT should have been the 7800XT the whole time, dont buy the bs
@@BlackJesus8463 hurr durr
I would recommend not to buy until that is a reality. Many reviews of the 6800 mentioned that for the time being it isn't possible to increase voltage (it is basically undervolted from factory). I own a 6800, to this day it is artificially nerfed.
It's probable that 7900 GRE OC status isn't a bug, but intended, and AMD is just considering changing their mind (or a deception to drive sale)
@@ziokalco i'm personally gonna wait for blackwell/rdna 4. im just curious to see how far the GRE can go
@@BOPBOPBOPBOPBOPBOPOB probably the best option if you can still play what you want to play
I genuinely can't conclude whether upgrading from a 3070 to a 7900GRE (taking RT and DLSS into account) would actually feel like a worthwhile upgrade or not. 4K is my goal, albeit I'm ok with DLSS Quality Mode upscaling where necessary, and I'm just not sure about the GRE...whereas the next series of cards are likely to be on the market within 12 months, so will that lead to buyers remorse combined with not feeling that £500 offered sufficient upgrade over 3070? Then again maybe the GRE would be an absolute champion and in non-RT gaming @ 4k it delivers a great experience? Or should a 4070 Super be the choice? I'm just glad 'choice' is applicable nowadays....without being hampered by the most insane 2020-style price gouging!
your kids playing sounds like Alien on a hunt via headphone
just stomping around, stop and switch direction then sprint lol
"a crowded price class"
If only this was true right from the outset of the current generation of GPUs...
If only the crowded price class was 300$…
Hell, I would take $400 being a crowded segment instead of being the upsale segment.
The 4060 is $300. Stop whining. It's not like you buy a GPU every year.
In my country, the 7900 GRE Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon OC is $83 less than the Gigabyte 4070 Super Gaming OC. What do you think about this situation?
If you are playing 1440p only, 4070S is pretty good. The only problem is Nvidia is so much more popular it is almost impossible to get one at MSRP. AMD is always available at MSRP on the other hand which makes the actual irl price a lot cheaper.
the 4070s is good. But even at 1440p it runs out of vram at 1440p. Question is is this gonna be another 3070 ti 8gb?
@@12coco100 1440p Ultra will surely make it run out of vram at 1440p. It kinda sucks that vram is the limiter only. You can see that it can compete or beat 7900 gre at raster where vram limit is not reached like in 1080p. Nvidia is only able to command this price because of DLSS superiority and it's RT.
@@12coco100It could be in a few years from now.
You're in luck then because 4070S is rotting at retailers, it's not gonna climb over its msrp anytime soon
@@Efsaaneh you underestimate Nvidia fanboys. They will buy everything at every price as long as it is Nvidia.
What do you think is worth it with this price difference? They are from the Italian market
€600 4070 Super
€730 4070 Ti
€840 4070 Ti super
€750 7900XT Impulse
€560 7900 gree
for AMD are u using AFMF? coz for rtx u activate FG
You should go with 7900xt, GRE is a slightly upgraded 7800. XT is worth the extra $50-100 more.
Both make great cards for various consumers but I dont dare to buy Nvidia mid to highrange card.. the 12vhpwr makes me restless lol
I think a comparison of the GRE with the 6950 would be interesting.
4070 super is the better option for those that want the best now, and expect to build a new system after a gen (so, rtx 6000). RX 7900 GRE is the better option for those that expect to own the PC for 2 or more generations, don't underestimate those 16gb and raw performance potential. Depending on what the PS6 packs it could run till the moon almost 8gb rx 480 style (but if the PS6 surpasses the 4070super at RT then both cards will become obsolete)
Wrong. 12gb is just waste of money in 2020s
Daniel, i just want to ask what if the 4070 SUPER is cheaper by $100 than the 7900 GRE in my country? what should i pick? i hope you notice this.
At those prices I'd personally take the 4070 Super.
@@danielowentech Thanks man! I appreciate your reply.
I think the 4070 S wins for me here. Simply because DLSS, the 12gb of VRAM isn't a big deal/deal-breaker for me since the most VRAM hungry games I play are CP2077, Modded Skyrim, & Starfield. Though I might pick up Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart & Test Drive Unlimited: Solar Crown at some point. So, even though I don't have either of these GPUs, I recommend looking at what games you currently play, and those that you plan to play in the future before you start worrying about VRAM.
I think a good example of a popular game that people play is Elden Ring, it only takes 4.5~ gb of ram on maximum textures, my current laptop only has 6gb of VRAM, outside of the issues with the laptop itself, when the cooler isn't causing the GPU to down-clock, it runs "good enough". But with CP2077, I have to turn the textures down to medium to stay under 6gb of VRAM, and in all honesty, I can't tell a difference between medium and high textures. It might just be because I'm playing at 1080p.
TL;DR: Look at what games you *actually* play/plan to play, and their VRAM usage before falling victim to the whole doomer debate of "X amount of VRAM won't be enough for anyone".
P.S: Hardware Unboxed made a good video discussing PCIe lane/speed bottlenecks, and the general consensus of that video was that if you're running at gen 4.0, and more so 4.0 x16, even if you run out of VRAM, it does a good job of picking up the slack, though it's still recommend to lower the textures down a tier. I definitely recommend watching it for yourself.
P.P.S: I think I set the world record of using the acronym "VRAM" in a comment lol.
12gb vram is more than enough what people think is vram consumption is actually vram allocated, vram which is actually utilized is even less than 10gb in highest settings at 1440p in most games
@@discerningcucumber7559 exactly
the 4070 super is also wayyy more power efficient than any amd card, for someone living in Europe like me, electricity aint cheap. I managed to undervolt my 4070 super to around 150W with almost stock performance while the 7900 gre uses 300W 💀
rx 6800 is one of the finest creation from amd till date.. sadly it's not available in my region, and if then with ridiculous pricing 😑, nvidia Don't have this type of 16gb vram/256 bit bus card within that price point
Don't get hung up on VRAm you won't even be using it.
@@BlackJesus8463 Oh you sure will in the coming years!
@@BlackJesus8463 we will,
@@BlackJesus8463 i still think 6800 is okay with 16gb, 6800 is the card where you brave 4k setting, but 7600xt on the other hand...
My point is older cards are still created better than newer ones.
@@BlackJesus8463dont get gpu which is already to be obsolescence
had they made the 7900gre $500 and kept that $100 price gap vs nvidia, it would have been a win. at $550, it's not really a win like the 7800xt was vs the 4070 last year. AIB models here in Canada like the hellhound ($900+) are also a lot more expensive than the 4070s. Instead, the 7900xt should have been lowered to the price it should have been at at $650usd as that's the true successor to the 6800xt.
I managed to snatch 7900GRE for 555 USD. That's price 5 bucks lower then 7800XT and 100 bucks less then what 4070S is being sold for in our country. Def took it for the price.
Hello, could you show ultra settings in COD as well, and with DLSS? Thank you
Great video covering loads of important points!.... The 7900GRE is cheaper, performs better in most games specially those not called cyberpunk and is more futurproof thanks to additional vram.... The GRE is making the 4070 nvidia cards look very overpriced.
hat same 2060 has been in your pcpartpicker search results forever lol. Is it in your wish list or something?
thinking hard about a new gpu for my amd, not sure to buy now or wait for the 8000 series and battlemage to come out and i;m in no rush since i game mostly on my other comp
sadly all the midrange have so many cons, nvidia with 12gb vram it cripple its gpu, meanwhile AMD have everything but dont have the premium software like dlss. both its still overpriced.
Software tricks aint performance
Thank you for this great comparison.
IMO the 4070s is better than 7900gre for several reasons:
1- In most games The 4070s consumes around 100W less than the 7900gre while the difference in performance is small and not worth the extra wattage (Electricity bills and GPU life longevity is very important).
2- DLSS is better than FSR, and you can run both in NVIDIA GPUs unlike AMD GPUs that's bound only to FSR
3- (and this is the important reason) the 4070s is only 50$ more than the 7900gre, so it's not that appealing and the 7900gre has to be around 500$ or less to be a better choice.
4- The 4070s is also better for Productivity and streaming.
Great points but I want to counter them
1) Undervolting exists and honestly if you're building a 1500$ pc a little higher electricity bill shouldn't be a problem
2) Can't argue, dlss is king. Just hope amd also come up with something similar, given the fact they have AI cores in the 7000 series
3) 4070S is 50$ more expensive for weaker raster and less vram, so ray tracing and frame gen features might be unusable in the future as seen in ratchet and clank
4) Also a pretty good point but I guess for gaming only builds 7900GRE is a better choice
@@Efsaaneh the 4070s can be undervolted to 140w, the 7900gre would still eat more than the 4070s for around 100w even its undervolted.
The driver on the nvidia's card is more stable than the amd's card, if you dont turn on RT, 12gb vram will be enough for 2k gaming even most of tiltle at 4k gaming except some bad optimization games like tlou.
I have a question, beyond terms of fps consumption or price etc... Which of the two between nvidia or amd is more RELIABLE, rather than failures, I come from a bad experience of years with amd with its adrenaline software that was misconfigured , problems with its updates and problems with some games with which it did not work correctly and I had to wait for them to fix it with patches..... should I give amd a chance or is nvidia better optimized? I have never been an nvidia user
Nvidia better overall
something that always bugs me is your 7800x3d only clocking at 4.7Ghz~4.9Ghz, you should enable PBO and do a curve optimizer of negative 30 magnitude. it would boost to 5.25Ghz~5.35Ghz which in the 7800x3D will give you mooaaarr FPS
The price difference is irrelevant when you consider the fact that the GRE eats up nearly 50% more power...which is ridiculous. When you factor in the electricity bill then the 4070 actually ends up being cheaper (in the long run). Higher point of entry, but cheaper to maintain.
2:40 me when I have a dream of a memory from my childhood
why no power consumption comparison????
Im looking for 1080p high fps gaming. So is 4070s fine for me? Does vram really matter @1080p .
Yes in new games it does, if you don't want your gpu to become obsolete after 2 to 3 years and you're gonna use ray tracing get a card with atleast 12 or more preferably 16 gb vram for 1080p/1440p.
I ran a 3070 8gb until yday and was having a blast on 1440p never had any real vram issue. These idiots just yap dude. 12gb on 1080p is fine. Dont listen to ASB the yapp wagon
Can you please include a short segment on AI capabilities for ML/Deep Learning? The 4070 Super OC is a great platform for AI/ML.
amd gpus suck ass for ai ml and blender even in game development even a 4060ti 16gb destroys 7900gre
That 7900 GRE is a power pig compared to the 4070 Super.
Undervolt
@@lifemocker85then you just buy used 6800XT for 300$
I bought a 4070 Super, it’s new, I’ll sell it,I should have bought a 4070 ti super.
I just got a 7900 gre for $550 on ebay. And it's my favorite brand, Gigabyte!
What's stopping ppl from going AMD despite the higher frames is DLSS, NVENC, and less power draw. Solve just two out of the three at least. Losing AMD anti-lag+ did not help them as they're so behind.
So 4070 super uses 8gb vram on cyberpunk on 4k ultra?? 😮😮
I wish there was a bench mark for 4k in Cyberpunk with ultra and high settings and the back off RT settings to RT reflections and DLSS. Hopefully in future benchmarks those are included with these and the 4070 ti super and 4080 super class cards.
They’re working together. This is a coke vs pepsi… Dem Vs Rep…. VRam Vs RT. No way all their specs are this similar .
hello daniel kindly also benchmark DLSS/FSR balanced . DLSS balanced image quaility is also very good . Thanks for ur video .
"Ultimate Comparison!!!" - WHERE IS BLENDER? ??
I can't get past the extra 4GB of VRAM for $50 less at the same raster performance. I'm upgrading next month, and it's one of these two cards and I can't make a decision, but I'm leaning towards the GRE. The 60W less average power us is a big one for me though, I like cool and quiet.
Temps and noise aren't a problem, at least not on the Sapphire and Powercolor models, they have very good cooler designs. Both are AMDs best board partners in my opinion. As for the power consumption, I undervolted mine and it's worth it.
@@Ashitaka0815 I got the Hellhound, and yeah, it's the best cooler I've ever had on a GPU, the fans stop spinning like 30 seconds after I stop playing a game, and it's amazingly quiet. It came vanilla at 290W peak board power, and right now I'm running it undervolted at 265W peak board power, but still getting an extra 8% performance out of it according to synthetic benchmarks, which from HUB and Techpowerups testing, seems to translate to about that much extra frame in a lot of games. I'm happy with the GRE, it exceeded my expectations.
The one thing about the Sapphire models is that they use the SK Hynix VRAM modules instead of the Samsung, and folks have had a lot more luck pushing the speeds on those. I can get a stable 19Gb/s effective out of the Hellhound GDDR6, which puts it at 610GB/s bandwidth, so I'm happy with that, the performance returns seem to diminish as you go up with the VRAM thanks to the bus width of 256, but extra core clocks does seem to have good returns, given how much of the Navi 31 chip render hardware is still active on the GRE. The 80 RT cores do seem to help with whatever light RT I need to do, it runs Exodus Enhanced Ultra at 70fps, so there's that.