The Weird History of Pokeballs

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  • Bigblast99 talks about the weird history of the iconic Pokeball.
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  • @sonicrunn3r895
    @sonicrunn3r895 7 місяців тому +909

    Love the idea that Kurt balls are just consistently either bad or faulty

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +241

      As annoying as it is, there’s definitely some humour in them almost always be the ones with issues

    • @velo_GG
      @velo_GG 6 місяців тому +87

      a lot of catching mechanics gen 1-4 simply do not function as intended. for example great balls are better than ultra in RBY.

    • @velo_GG
      @velo_GG 6 місяців тому +31

      lyra has in-depth videos on the topic if anyone interested:D

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +53

      Lyra’s videos are great, I also recommend them!

    • @RickWhitechest
      @RickWhitechest 6 місяців тому +53

      Well, they ARE handmade! It's kinda funny to imagine Kurt's craftsmanship has either always been lacking, or he's just phoning them in, and nobody has noticed enough to call him out on it.

  • @ClaireZhasa
    @ClaireZhasa 6 місяців тому +582

    At this point I'm convinced that the Kurt balls are intentionally programmed wrong

    • @FEVB
      @FEVB 6 місяців тому +60

      It has to be a running joke at GF lmao😂

    • @thecrispymaster
      @thecrispymaster 6 місяців тому +64

      Kurt's just not very good at what he does, clearly.

    • @tlst94
      @tlst94 5 місяців тому +9

      What would've been like if Kurt's Pokeballs did work as intended?

    • @tylertichoc7330
      @tylertichoc7330 4 місяці тому +3

      They are absolutely messing with us at this point. When it comes to the glitches they actually can't get it right. So they make them obscenely rare.
      But if it means that we have more instances of Pokéballs acting like the Hisui balls in future legends games, I guess that at least makes up for it somewhat in a different way.

    • @tylertichoc7330
      @tylertichoc7330 4 місяці тому

      ​@@FEVBRight behind the guy who FUCKING HATES FLAREON AND REGIGAS! 😆💢

  • @bestwaifu3852
    @bestwaifu3852 6 місяців тому +394

    It's insane to me that there's 3 balls dedicated to water types and none for any other type yet (aside from net being for bug too). They really gotta start making balls that are good for catching other types. Or even give some of the existing balls a secondary effect, like the moonball could be good on dark types and the duskball could be good on ghost, etc. I just think it'd be great to have balls that match the pokemon types and dont know why they haven't done this yet.

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +96

      I agree. I could understand one pokeball dedicated to water type Pokémon due to there being so many, but 3 is definitely overkill. Really like the idea of giving balls like the moon ball getting repurposed, could even have like the fast ball work well against electric types, it already has a lightning bolt on it

    • @UltimatePhantasm
      @UltimatePhantasm 6 місяців тому +31

      Shiny Umbreon should be required by law to be caught with a Moon Ball

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 6 місяців тому +26

      Well it's less Water Types, and moreso the mechanics of surfing, diving, and fishing. But yeah there definitely should be more Type bases balls. Also weird we never got a Sun Ball to match the Moon Ball, which should both work under the moon and sun respectively.

    • @coltonmartin5057
      @coltonmartin5057 6 місяців тому +4

      I like the dive ball aesthetic. So I use that to catch non water types and pokemon not in water. Just for fun!

    • @officersoulknight6321
      @officersoulknight6321 6 місяців тому +3

      I would make moon ball good against not just Pokemon that evolve with a moon stone, but any space-oriented pokemon

  • @crestofhonor2349
    @crestofhonor2349 6 місяців тому +307

    So there isn't a single pokemon game where all the pokeballs function as intended

    • @MarioMastar
      @MarioMastar 6 місяців тому +34

      I guess pokemon Legends Arceus is the only one as yeah Gen 1 had broken the great and ultra balls due to some weird mechanics with the calculation.

    • @KaitouKaiju
      @KaitouKaiju 5 місяців тому +9

      Almost all the games have some bug that directly contradicts in game text

    • @PlatonicDIVA
      @PlatonicDIVA 4 місяці тому

      Gen 5

    • @slimestudios9748
      @slimestudios9748 3 місяці тому

      since an SV update fixed the Lure Ball i think they all function there?

  • @Ocarinist_Drew
    @Ocarinist_Drew 6 місяців тому +279

    My favorite is probably the Premier Ball just because it's kind of a status symbol.
    It's like, yeah, I could have used an Ultra Ball, but instead I decided to use a more expensive ball with a worse catch rate, just because it looks nice.

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +59

      I am also a pretty big fan of the premier ball, being my ball of choice when I shiny hunt mythicals in bdsp

    • @KeiranTrick
      @KeiranTrick 6 місяців тому +2

      Aren't Premier balls literally free

    • @Diwasho
      @Diwasho 6 місяців тому +12

      This is what people who always keep asking for a feature that lets you swap the existing ball attached to a Pokémon for any other of their choice don't understand. Doing that would literally ruin the whole point of unique ball designs, especially Premium and Cherish.

    • @Ocarinist_Drew
      @Ocarinist_Drew 6 місяців тому +15

      @@KeiranTrick Not really. They cost at least 2000 pokedollars (or whatever the currency is). Sure the they come with 10 regular balls but I don't care about those. I just want the Premier Balls.

    • @timotheatae
      @timotheatae 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@DiwashoThey can put limitations on it, it's not like any of us can actually GET Cherish ball items! It would be reasonable to also put restrictions in place like "no moving to a less effective ball", if they're that concerned.

  • @KaibaKid_
    @KaibaKid_ 6 місяців тому +53

    I think the Lotto of Blueberry Academy succeeds where the Cramomatic failed: making a commodity of gambling with it.

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +22

      They really nailed it too. The rush of seeing the pause and zoom in waiting to see if it'll be the 2x bonus or the ball lotto is something else

  • @paneth8466
    @paneth8466 6 місяців тому +133

    The cool thing about Scarlet/Violet is that when you use them in a den they have a 100% catch rate meaning the Beast Ball is useable.

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +47

      Yeah! Really glad they made the change for raids having guaranteed catches, was really annoying getting only the one chance with the max raids.

    • @bewearstar9462
      @bewearstar9462 6 місяців тому +12

      I didn't know that so I just used my beast ball on teragaphos because it was a 100% catch rate due to the story

    • @MarioMastar
      @MarioMastar 6 місяців тому +3

      @@bewearstar9462Hehe I used my Master ball just to flex and cause I really never use the master ball for anything else. I guess call it a flex on Kieran but I didn't actually think about that when I did it until now. XD XD XD Nah I love Kieran. His story was really interesting. Nice to finally see a mean rival have a redemption arc IN GAME rather than in a different game (Pokemon Masters EX finally shows Silver's but RIP Bede who's still a narc and doesn't learn his lesson much... )

    • @confusedbuddy
      @confusedbuddy 6 місяців тому

      I caught walking wake in the beast ball

    • @gupdoo3
      @gupdoo3 5 місяців тому

      @@bewearstar9462 I used a friend ball on Ogerpon bc the colors match

  • @TheRedSmarty
    @TheRedSmarty 7 місяців тому +121

    26:43 They actually fixed the Lure Ball in Scarlet/Violet in an update at some point.

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +57

      Oh that is really good to hear! I didn’t come across it being fixed in my research, but I’m glad they fixed it!

    • @jesuisunstroopwafel
      @jesuisunstroopwafel 6 місяців тому +8

      Better late than never.

    • @shawnskinner4422
      @shawnskinner4422 6 місяців тому

      ​@@Turtle-Souphey what about the all gold pokeball that james gets his gold magikarp in episode "shipwreck"

    • @dimetrodon2250
      @dimetrodon2250 5 місяців тому

      @@shawnskinner4422that was just a regular Pokeball painted gold as part of the scam

    • @DrDunsparce
      @DrDunsparce 5 місяців тому +3

      @@shawnskinner4422that was revealed to be a painted normal pokeball in the same episode

  • @meias.
    @meias. 6 місяців тому +83

    3:40 i love how they accidentally made all pokemon gay (or, yk, at least attracted to the same sex)

    • @timotheatae
      @timotheatae 6 місяців тому +1

      Honestly I think the love ball has fallen off for... Obvious reasons. If they bring it back as anything but a post game pretty ball bonus, they'll have to give it an element of randomness.

    • @MarioMastar
      @MarioMastar 6 місяців тому

      Friends of mine used to joke about same gender pokemon using "Sweet kiss" or "Lovely Kiss". There is "Charm" but it only works on opposite gender pokemon. (however not in Pokemon Masters EX where it works on any pokemon but given the nature of the game, it makes sense why they wouldn't do that. Mina would be useless against most female trainers and Grimsley)

    • @atpyro7920
      @atpyro7920 5 місяців тому +6

      Kurt was quite progressive for 1999

    • @petergriscom3431
      @petergriscom3431 5 місяців тому +3

      Reminds me of that one episode of the Pokemon anime where a scientist is trying to build a machine that can make Attract work on same-sex Pokemon.

  • @nickbeilschmidt411
    @nickbeilschmidt411 6 місяців тому +20

    At this point I'm convinced nobody making the games actually knows how to program

  • @EightViolett
    @EightViolett 6 місяців тому +57

    I just wish we could transfer Pokémon to different balls after the fact, so you didn't have to decide between aesthetics and efficiency when catching.

    • @MarioMastar
      @MarioMastar 6 місяців тому +6

      Yeah, hopefully in later games. the only way to really change the ball they're in now is to breed two non-ditto pokemon where one has the ball you want, but that's assuming they can breed and have a gender. If they're genderless or unbreedable (Legendary) you're out of luck.

  • @warpedwhimsical
    @warpedwhimsical 6 місяців тому +46

    Anyone else catch basically everything in gen 4 in a dusk ball cause they stayed up all night playing? I know I can’t be the only one

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +8

      I may have been guilty of this a bit in my youth, to tell the truth

    • @miimiiandco
      @miimiiandco 6 місяців тому +1

      I'd imagine they're really good in Moon and Ultra Moon too.

    • @zombierobot5747
      @zombierobot5747 6 місяців тому

      That's how it became my favorite 😆

    • @nverburg
      @nverburg 5 місяців тому

      Smart

    • @Chaletica
      @Chaletica 5 місяців тому

      Me too lmao

  • @MollyOKami
    @MollyOKami 6 місяців тому +60

    If you think about it, Pokémon GO! _is_ the final Safari Zone.

    • @MarioMastar
      @MarioMastar 6 місяців тому +6

      and the only one that actually was fun to play and not a horrible RNG fest.

    • @smellystinker4837
      @smellystinker4837 5 місяців тому

      ​@@MarioMastarit's still fun :)

    • @tlst94
      @tlst94 5 місяців тому

      What if Safari Zones were just like Go in the mainline games? Imagine living in that parallel universe.

  • @-_._._-
    @-_._._- 6 місяців тому +23

    pronouncing "decal" as "deckle" and not "dee-cal" gives me major Trailer Park Boys vibes. "Check out these sick decnals, Bubs!"

  • @Bombercules
    @Bombercules 6 місяців тому +115

    love ball is 8x only against wild pokemon of the same gender AND species as they active pokemon in gen II, with it switching to opposite gender as intended in HG/SS

    • @icecontrol1
      @icecontrol1 6 місяців тому +38

      Should have been called the Gay Ball in Gen 2, still hilarious how they messed up half of them

    • @Pyronaut_
      @Pyronaut_ 6 місяців тому +10

      I feel like an interesting change could be to make it also give the bonus if the Pokémon is infatuated, similar to how the Dream Ball gives the bonus for sleep.

    • @MarioMastar
      @MarioMastar 6 місяців тому +10

      That bugged me when I first read it and thought "Wow the love ball will make filling the dex SO much easier!" and then I read the "Same species" part and binned it. At least the ball looks really nice for catching pokemon like Salazzle, too bad they're practically post game. I do like the strange ball though. it just looks cool with that teal green.

    • @dimetrodon2250
      @dimetrodon2250 5 місяців тому +2

      So does that mean that the bonus even affects genderless Pokemon of the same species?

  • @NadiaDelcatty-pg6fs
    @NadiaDelcatty-pg6fs 6 місяців тому +59

    Your descriptions of the Pokeball appearances are great for low vision and blind people, great video. Looking forward to the Pokeballs they’ll have in Legends A-Z

    • @timotheatae
      @timotheatae 6 місяців тому +3

      Ugh I am so weirdly excited for the mechanics of PLZA

  • @Shadowonwater
    @Shadowonwater 6 місяців тому +27

    my favorite is the Quick Ball, it's just so handy

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +9

      It definitely is handy, a good chunk of my living dex happens to be caught in them!

  • @WhoElseButZane
    @WhoElseButZane 7 місяців тому +614

    Im having the weirdest mandella effect. I played gen 3 more than any other game and i couldve sworn dusk and quick balls were available in gen 3

    • @jackfrost3686
      @jackfrost3686 7 місяців тому +140

      I could see quick ball but Ruby and sapphire didn’t have a day and night cycle so the dusk ball would do nothing

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  7 місяців тому +232

      For a long while I thought the quick and timer balls came out in the same gen given how well they pair mechanically. The Gen 3 and 4 balls, for the most part, blend together pretty well.

    • @HesGotaGun505
      @HesGotaGun505 7 місяців тому

      @@jackfrost3686dusk ball also gets the bonus in caves and dungeons

    • @DemonClaw-cj6nq
      @DemonClaw-cj6nq 6 місяців тому +57

      I thought there was a day/night cycle to obtain espeon and umbreon. The game just doesn’t visually change in the overworld. Also there were still caves of course

    • @thekeepr
      @thekeepr 6 місяців тому +1

      @@jackfrost3686it would work in caves

  • @bruhmphrey
    @bruhmphrey 6 місяців тому +44

    I think the multiples of 10 premier ball purchase gift has been modified in recent games to grant you multiple premier balls at once

    • @vgmaster02
      @vgmaster02 6 місяців тому +15

      Yes. Once that update happened, it's been a mainstay going forward. Which is why it's fun when I buy hundreds of quick balls and repeat balls and they throw in a couple dozen premiere balls for free XD

    • @vampire_catgirl
      @vampire_catgirl 6 місяців тому +6

      Yes, he says that in the video once he gets to the game that makes that change

  • @milesmartin9624
    @milesmartin9624 6 місяців тому +8

    Apriballs had their existence justified when they came back in HGSS and could be used for style rather than their actual catching benefits.

  • @1800renzo
    @1800renzo 6 місяців тому +13

    Back in my day we crafted our own Poke Balls

    • @mbii7667
      @mbii7667 4 місяці тому

      Back in the Hisui days

  • @iquemedia
    @iquemedia 6 місяців тому +23

    I used to be a "pokeballs only" trainer (big flex having hard to catch pokemon in them) but then when I stopped taking the game so seriously I switched up to an ~aesthetic over everything~ trainer
    now all my mon match the balls they are in and it's really cute :)
    (also catching pokemon in beast balls who are not ultra beasts is the biggest mf flex)

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +5

      I also used to be one, but slowly have been opening up to using others. I still catch all my legendaries in pokeballs tho, don’t think I’ll ever move on from that

    • @theknightwithabadpictotall7639
      @theknightwithabadpictotall7639 6 місяців тому +2

      In my opinion it's just satisfying to have everything in a normal Poké Ball, so I usually only use them apart from when I can't (safari zone and bug catching contest)
      I don't do that in Pokémon Go tho, I use all sorts of balls to catch Pokémon in that game
      The one time I didn't use a Poké Ball was catching Giratina in Platinum, I tried so damn hard but I got impatient and just chucked the Master Ball at it
      I'll likely use Beast Balls when I play gen 7 tho because it wouldn't feel right to catch UBs in Poké Balls

    • @miimiiandco
      @miimiiandco 6 місяців тому +1

      That's what I do too. It's really fun seeing all the different Pokeballs at the healing machines/Pokemon Centers.

  • @Nehu_22
    @Nehu_22 6 місяців тому +12

    My favorite pokeballs are the Dusk and Netball, not only because of how they look, but the effects when the pokemon comes out (specially the the Duskball)

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah the dusk ball animation is a really good one!

    • @MarioMastar
      @MarioMastar 6 місяців тому +1

      Given my favorite pokemon type is Dark type (as are my favorite character trainers in the game), Dusk is my favorite too.

  • @KingTaltia
    @KingTaltia 6 місяців тому +8

    "Everyone has their own favorite, for me, I don't like balls with protrusions"
    Meanwhile for me; my signature pokemon is a Shiny Smeargle in a Beast Ball, because I'm a masochist!

  • @billie-ve_in_yourself6464
    @billie-ve_in_yourself6464 6 місяців тому +2

    I feel crazy, I always thought Premier ball had a high catch rate for shiny Pokémon. Even though it doesn’t, it still feels cool to catch a discolored Pokémon in a discolored pokeball.

  • @Roman6ixv3
    @Roman6ixv3 6 місяців тому +9

    glad u made this , pokeballs were always a small fascination of mine in the games with the cherish one being my all time favorite

  • @emilysiegert5481
    @emilysiegert5481 6 місяців тому +3

    It's a bit basic, but I've always loved the Ultra Ball. The black and yellow design just looks so sleek and classy. And it's just such a solid workhorse ball having best catch rate of the original big three. I actually got a tattoo of an Ultra Ball wreathed in flowers on my shoulder the day I hit level 40 in Pokemon Go. I scheduled it specifically so I could be sitting in the chair getting inked while I leveled up.

  • @godminnette2
    @godminnette2 6 місяців тому +4

    I'm surprised you didn't make at least slight reference to Ball Capsules and Seals in generation 4!

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +2

      I can’t believe I forgot them! They are one of my favourite little additions in the series and I completely forgot about them! Just leaves room for a video in the future I guess!

  • @samuellaakso7012
    @samuellaakso7012 6 місяців тому +7

    The next thing they could do is to introduce more balls that give advantages for different types. We basically have 3(!) different balls to help catching Water-types. So what gives, where are other type-specific balls?

  • @SweetTaleTeller
    @SweetTaleTeller 6 місяців тому +8

    They updated the Parkballs game Art Work for Scarlet and Violet for SOME REASON so I’m kinda wondering if they are going to make it a useable ball at some point… because why make the icon… I know it exists I have the image in my PC and its a Scarlet Sprite so…. Why

  • @Sumguyinavan_
    @Sumguyinavan_ 5 місяців тому +3

    How many people were personally victimized trying to use the Fast Balls on the legendary dogs in Gold/Silver? Not that I KNEW I was being screwed over when I was 14, since I just learned about this today.

  • @ThePhl4ever
    @ThePhl4ever 6 місяців тому +6

    At least in the last few generations the number of premier balls you receive is based on the number of sets of 10. If you were to buy 99 pokeballs all at once you receive 9 premier balls.

  • @bevstarrunner9472
    @bevstarrunner9472 6 місяців тому +5

    OMG dude straight out forgot about the smoke ball..... 😮

  • @AzureFlute
    @AzureFlute 6 місяців тому +6

    Great video! I am a fan of how in depth you went, and I agree, the Ball is one of the most important parts of Pokémon and deserves more love

  • @GreyGlade
    @GreyGlade 6 місяців тому +4

    never really stopped to consider how many new pokèball variations there have been, great vid!!

  • @stapuft
    @stapuft 5 місяців тому +4

    "deck-el"
    What the flying fuck?

  • @Interesting_Failure
    @Interesting_Failure 6 місяців тому +1

    The Fast Ball was meant to be specialized for catching the new roaming legendaries, I'd assume. Kind of as a thing where to catch these elusive legendaries you find apricorns and get custom-made balls just for the purpose...I could see it working. Y'know, if the ball itself did.

  • @British_Rogue
    @British_Rogue 6 місяців тому +1

    The very first time I used a Master Ball, it was against a damaged Level 34 Onix in Mt. Silver. I had no idea it was intended for legendaries.

    • @amberhernandez
      @amberhernandez 6 місяців тому

      Level 24 Fearow on Cycling Road here 😭

  • @luoxuanxuan6754
    @luoxuanxuan6754 6 місяців тому +15

    Love the video, surprised you didnt mention the pokeball seals from gen 4, I love those

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +14

      Oh I totally should have! I love the ball seals, and really should’ve included them!

    • @dezarla
      @dezarla 6 місяців тому +6

      @@Turtle-Soup I was going to mention them too! I was really disappointed when they didn't come back in gen 5.

    • @excalibur493
      @excalibur493 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@dezarlaSame, but at the same time, I'm not surprised. The letter ones are easily... abused.

    • @MarcoBeSomething
      @MarcoBeSomething 6 місяців тому +3

      @@Turtle-Soupthat’s easy to miss with the scale of this video. Props for scaling what could’ve easily been multiple videos into one big video, that being said the seals can easily be a follow up video.

    • @youtubeuniversity3638
      @youtubeuniversity3638 4 місяці тому

      ​@@excalibur493...then why not drop JUST the letters?

  • @NEET_201
    @NEET_201 6 місяців тому +1

    i think it was important to mention that prior to gen 3 we didn't have actual images of the pokeballs so balls that didn't make a return in later generations didn't have an official design, aka the original park ball, and the one shown was the anime version, which doesn't always translates to the games, for example the anime Safari Ball, season 1, being a simple green top with a white bottom and a s on top of the "power" button compare to its camo in-game counter part

  • @1004hp
    @1004hp 3 місяці тому +1

    my favorite ball has to be either the love ball or the moon ball solely on how pretty the particle effects look when you send out a pokemon. a couple other favs would be the dream call and the heal ball.

  • @petrnovak7235
    @petrnovak7235 6 місяців тому +5

    Why do I have a feeling we'll get Strange Ball back in Legends Z-A? 😅
    But anyway, great video. I really appreciate all the time you did researching for it. That's a dedication.
    Oh, and Quick Ball and Dusk Ball are my most favourite Balls. They are just so usefull.

  • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
    @ChangedMyNameFinally69 6 місяців тому +12

    Customizable Poke Balls need to be a thing in the future

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +10

      Ball seals are probably the closest we’ll get to that. Really wish that feature stuck around, was always a big fan of them.

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 6 місяців тому +7

      @@Turtle-Soup Why not both? Seals were for the ignition animation, but we should be able to customize the outward appearance of the Ball too, that way we don't have to do all this breeding for Poke Balls, and they could throw in some of the anime designs and a few new ones too. Imagine having a black and blue Premier Ball, or a Poke Ball covered in lightning bolts or stars or stripes? Or with hearts on it? I imagine you probably wouldn't be able to customize the Master Ball/Park Ball/Strange Ball/Cherish Ball but the rest would be fair game.

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 6 місяців тому +6

      @@Turtle-Soup It's cuz of Masuda's weird philosophy of keeping some features in one game only. Hopefully that stops with the new games now that he's not the main director anymore

    • @dragnridr05
      @dragnridr05 6 місяців тому

      The only design I would use is the Cherish Ball design but not in red, but purple.

  • @CabinetGremlin
    @CabinetGremlin 6 місяців тому +5

    I think it's worth noting that since only the female pokemon can pass down its ball when bred, you couldn't get any of the newly introduced pokemon in newer balls since the female always decides the species of the baby. Ditto is the only case when this is bypassed, letting the male pass down its ball and species (which still isn't helpful in getting Kalos/Alola mons in Kurtballs)

    • @Predated2
      @Predated2 6 місяців тому +1

      What? You can get the male ball in standard breeding nowadays unless you breed cross species.

    • @CabinetGremlin
      @CabinetGremlin 6 місяців тому

      @@Predated2 whoops yeah, I was implying cross-species breeding. guess I didn't imply hard enough lol. the point is, you can't get a species in a ball that you can't already catch it in through breeding, which is a surprisingly common misconception

  • @brianhull2407
    @brianhull2407 6 місяців тому +1

    Excluding the Master Ball, Poké Ball (sort of), Sport Ball/Park Ball, Friend Ball, Lure Ball, and Heavy Ball (except in Crystal), every Poké Ball introduced in Gens I & II worked very oddly in the Gens they were introduced.
    In Gen I, because of how the catch formula worked (very oddly), nonvolatile status conditions (sleep, freeze, paralysis, poison, and burn) increased the catch rate of Pokémon by a flat amount based on the Poké Ball used and status condition (for sleeping or frozen Pokémon, it’s 25 out of 256 for Poké Balls, 25 out of 201 for Great Balls, and 25 out of 151 for Ultra Balls and Safari Balls; for the others, it’s 12 out of 256 for Poké Balls, 12 out of 201 for Great Balls, and 12 out of 151 for Ultra Balls and Safari Balls) rather than multiplicatively like in later generations. This causes Ultra Balls and Safari Balls to significantly overperform for Pokémon with low catch rates and status conditions or low HP (especially status conditions) but greatly underperform for perfectly healthy Pokémon and Pokémon with high catch rates, while the Great Ball vastly overperforms for Pokémon with high catch rates and against healthy Pokémon with low catch rates. (This means that the Safari Ball, which only in Gen I is coded to work like an Ultra Ball instead of a Great Ball, is the worst Poké Ball to use against the Pokémon in the Safari Zone as you cannot inflict status conditions or lower HP in the Safari Zone… but that’s the only Poké Ball you _can_ use in the Safari Zone, and that’s the only place Safari Balls can typically be used, which is a major reason why the Safari Zone is so terrible in those games.)
    In Gen II, in addition to the fact that paralysis, poison, and burn don’t affect the catch rate at all due to another error, several of the Apricorn Balls are improperly coded.
    The Fast Ball is supposed to have a 4× chance against Pokémon with a chance to flee, but due to a bug, it only does against the first three of them in the table: Magnemite, Grimer (why does _this_ Pokémon have a chance to flee, anyways?), and Tangela.
    The Level Ball works better against Pokémon with a lower level than yours, and it does, but due to an error, it ignores all other factors like HP and status conditions.
    The Love Ball is supposed to have an 8× multiplier when used on Pokémon of the same species but opposite gender of your current Pokémon, but it instead has an 8× multiplier when used on Pokémon of the same species and the _same_ gender as your current Pokémon, the exact opposite of how it’s supposed to work!
    The Heavy Ball works properly in Gold and Silver and for most Pokémon in Crystal, having increased odds against heavy Pokémon and reduced odds against lighter Pokémon (and it’s a flat increase or decrease, though intentionally so in this case). However, in Crystal, if used specifically against Kadabra, Tauros, and Subflora, instead of using their weights, the game looks at junk data instead that makes them appear to have massive weights, causing the Heavy Ball to work way better than it should on them.
    Finally, the Moon Ball is supposed to have a 4× multiplier when used on Pokémon that evolve by Moon Stone (which, in Gen II, would be Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Nidorina, and Nidorino), but because they changed the index numbers for several items (including the Moon Stone) when going from Gen I to Gen II but did not update the reference used for the Moon Ball’s code, it instead has a 4× multiplier only when used on Pokémon which evolve with a *Burn Heal* (which would be none of them).
    Of the new Balls in Gen II, only the Park/Sport Ball (which was basically just a fancy-looking Great Ball for use in (and only in) Bug-Catching Contests), Lure Ball (3× multiplier while fishing), and Friend Ball (1× multiplier (same as a regular Poké Ball), but sets the caught Pokémon’s friendship to 200 instead of the usual 70) work exactly as intended in all three Gen II games. (That said, the Lure Ball did have an error in Scarlet and Violet, which caused it to always have a 1× multiplier instead of the boosted 4× multiplier on Pokémon in or on water it was supposed to.) The Master Ball has also always worked exactly as intended, skipping all other checks and just guaranteeing the capture every single time.
    All of these would be fixed in later gens, but it is still crazy how broken they all were when first introduced.

  • @BlueBotBlues
    @BlueBotBlues 6 місяців тому +23

    You know they're putting more effort in rn to ensure every pokeball is available in the game than they are ensuring every Pokémon is in the game lmao

  • @jacobthebassman793
    @jacobthebassman793 6 місяців тому +1

    I’m a big quick ball and premier ball fan. Almost all my Pokémon in a standard play through are caught with those

  • @Bones1220
    @Bones1220 6 місяців тому +3

    Pokeballs are a fashion statement

  • @thewritegrump
    @thewritegrump 7 місяців тому +10

    This is the first time I've seen your channel, and I'm on board! This was a fascinating breakdown full of interesting information, with there being even some things that I didn't know about. I know your bio says you're not exclusively a Pokemon channel, but I'll definitely be looking forward to more Pokemon videos if you feel like making them! Until then, I'll go check out your other Pokemon videos. :^)

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +3

      Thanks! The bio is more a disclaimer as I like making a wide variety of stuff, however I’m having a lot of fun with the Pokémon videos so they are definitely sticking around for the foreseeable future

  • @predclown2012
    @predclown2012 6 місяців тому +2

    Another great video! The history of the Kurt Balls is crazy and its so strange how many mistakes happen with them even to this day!

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks! Part of me finds it funny that that specific set of balls always seem to be the trouble makers.

  • @vexatiousfae7090
    @vexatiousfae7090 6 місяців тому +2

    Personally I really like the design of the luxury Ball.

  • @ArmundJay
    @ArmundJay 5 місяців тому +2

    i try as hard as possible to catch/breed all my shinies in Premier balls; i just think it looks nice.
    other than that, my favorite ball has always been the Luxury ball.. the black, red, and gold is just *chef's kiss*

    • @SigismundsWrath
      @SigismundsWrath 5 місяців тому

      I'm similar: Pokemon with hidden abilities get premier balls, shinies get luxury balls, everything else goes in standard pokeballs 👍

  • @tdarkhorse4
    @tdarkhorse4 5 місяців тому +1

    there's also a master ball failing for the first time during story mode in sv dlc 2.

  • @Flamingotree74
    @Flamingotree74 6 місяців тому +2

    How was this the first time I’ve heard of the ultra ball being the “Hyper ball”?? I always thought it was weird that there was two u’s bottom to bottom😂

  • @Arcadia_warlic
    @Arcadia_warlic 6 місяців тому +6

    The Bug Catching contest balls described in the video are from the anime and manga. In the games it never had a full design until Generation IV.
    The Love Ball's glitch is actually 8x specifically only against the same species and gender, not just gender.

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +3

      Yeah, it was quite a grey area type of situation when it came to that one. However due to it being included in the games, and especially since it was changed from being called the park ball to the sport ball, figured it was best to talk about it, and took the design from the other mediums of the franchise, as describing it as just some non detailed ball wouldn’t be as good or interesting content wise.
      As per my research, the love ball always works exclusively for wild Pokémon that are the same species as your active Pokémon

  • @Xylus.
    @Xylus. 4 місяці тому

    Someone once told me that the master ball looked like it had Wario's speedo stretched over it, and now I can't unsee it, and now you all have to suffer that same fate with me.

  • @korrinthian
    @korrinthian 6 місяців тому +1

    I love the luxury Ball visually, but my fave is the Quick ball. Really helpful for end game collecting and breeding.

  • @eduardog3000
    @eduardog3000 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm sure I'm not the only one that color coordinates the balls with the pokemon in them. Umbreon and the Ultra Ball go so perfectly together. Uxie, Azelf, and Mespirit fit pretty well with the Ultra, Poke, and Great balls respectively which is pleasing (other than their order in the pokedex being different from the order of the balls they match).

  • @Pixsylver
    @Pixsylver 6 місяців тому +2

    I do really love the design of the heal ball,love ball, and moon ball, although they are three that are typically not very useful

  • @Makkushimu
    @Makkushimu 4 місяці тому

    The crafting your own PokeBalls was probably lifted from the Minecraft Pokemon mod lol

  • @thelilartzy
    @thelilartzy 5 місяців тому +1

    I like the way you says pokeball, it scratches a part of my brain in ways I cannot explain!!

  • @honkaidragonslayer7178
    @honkaidragonslayer7178 Місяць тому

    My favorite ball to use is the quick ball, but in terms of design nothing beats the luxury ball

  • @EmmyPupcake
    @EmmyPupcake 6 місяців тому +1

    Premier Ball is my favorite, there's just something about the minimalist aesthetic that I really love.

  • @remlezar4439
    @remlezar4439 6 місяців тому +4

    un-obtaina-ball

  • @kayleigh1991
    @kayleigh1991 6 місяців тому +1

    I remember being a kid playing gen 2 and realising that Kurt’s pokeballs didn’t seem to work like they said it did.

  • @madnessarcade7447
    @madnessarcade7447 6 місяців тому +3

    In the SV dlc Perrin gives u the sport ball as a reward for getting the paradox legendaries

  • @massiah1314
    @massiah1314 5 місяців тому +1

    It sucks that the heal ball only worked the one time in healing a newly captured mon. It wouldn't heal your mon if you sent it into battle and then withdew or that end of the battle. So basically it was a pink girly ball and that was it 😂

  • @SpeedOfTheEarth
    @SpeedOfTheEarth 6 місяців тому +2

    In german, french and apparently korean it's also the Hyperball, in fact the Ultraball is the Beast Ball in english from gen7 afaik.

  • @nifythings
    @nifythings 4 місяці тому

    I finished my Violet dex before doing the Indigo Disk story so when it came time to capture Terapogos and I had that Beast Ball in my inventory it felt so cool to capture such a visually striking Pokemon in a rare and cool ball. Definitely a highlight moment for me for Gen 9.

  • @TheReZisTLust
    @TheReZisTLust 6 місяців тому +2

    Gen 4 balls will always be my favourite cause its the gen Glaceon was brought in and dusk is pretty cool in its release anination lol

  • @Diwasho
    @Diwasho 6 місяців тому +1

    I wonder if Kurt's balls are always messed up on purpose. Well, maybe not originally in gen 2, but they have to be trolling with every iteration afterwards, right? It's like they're telling you to only trust Sylph Co. and big corpos to provide a reliable product for money instead of getting dubious and potentially faulty knockoffs from your local enthusiast ball makers for free.

  • @kingawsume
    @kingawsume 6 місяців тому +1

    Premier ball for me. Minimalism is my favorite design language, and "all white with only a stripe of red" is about as minimal as you can make a Pokeball.

  • @StrAnGErous420
    @StrAnGErous420 4 місяці тому

    Mildly insane after hearing "poke•ball" and "poke•mon" a hundred times.

  • @CrimsonThorne
    @CrimsonThorne 6 місяців тому +1

    I've had consistently good luck with legendries when using the heal ball so it's become my favorite

  • @MacbethCreative
    @MacbethCreative 6 місяців тому +2

    I always felt like the master ball should be purchasable after beating the mainline game. "Cool, I've beat all the stuff, now I have to go and catch hundreds of more Pokémon; can't you make it a guaranteed catch for the post game encounters?" Like, come on, I just spent tons of hours on this game, I'm not going to want to grind to complete the Dex, unless you make it a little easier and chill.

    • @youtubeuniversity3638
      @youtubeuniversity3638 4 місяці тому

      I think Game Freak wants the Challenge of it to be a player's main reason to care to try.
      You might actually be the kinda person they'd tell to simply Not Do It.

  • @lordfreezer5631
    @lordfreezer5631 4 місяці тому

    Probably the reason why the Dusk Ball was nerfed in Gen 7 was because in Moon and Ultra Moon the day/night cycle is reversed, meaning that during the day it would be night time in those games, so there was the risk of the Dusk Ball possibly being too op, at least in the developers' minds

  • @alasanof
    @alasanof 6 місяців тому +1

    A cute lil thing is the pokeball (monster (monsuta) ball) and masterball (masuta) is that they're very phonetically similar in Japanese.

  • @gusty7153
    @gusty7153 6 місяців тому

    fast ball existed specifically for the three mobile legendaries that always tried to flee

  • @tails183
    @tails183 6 місяців тому +3

    The rarity of a heap of the balls really just incentivizes cheating them in.

  • @williansnobre
    @williansnobre 6 місяців тому +1

    I wish they would bring back the pokéball crafting

  • @jklunk7887
    @jklunk7887 6 місяців тому +2

    The Kurt balls are my favourites, I don't use them for there intended purpose but for there colour match up

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah they are really good for the aesthetics!

  • @Dustrick
    @Dustrick 5 місяців тому

    I really like the information you have in the video, your audio is very clear, I have one thought though...I wasn't expecting this to be as long as it was and the way you speak is very monotone and it felt like you were speaking one long sentence with no pauses or breaks, I started to almost zone out because it was a constant stream of words.

  • @300kyuubi
    @300kyuubi 6 місяців тому +1

    I always love hearing about Pokéballs. I’ve always found them fascinating. My favorite balls:
    Fast ball, which I used to assume was pikachu’s main Pokéball due to it’s cool design
    The great ball, I like the blue ones better than the original red balls
    The lure ball, I always found them pretty cool
    The ultra/hyper ball. I always found the yellow and black colors very appealing
    The moon ball, as a huge fan of moonlight based things. I feel like this would be the ball for me personally.
    Master ball, it’s the master ball. But I also used to assumed that the master ball was for Pokemon masters only as a kid.
    The luxury ball, I always thought these balls were for rich people and SUPER expensive. And only for those who had lots of money.
    GS ball, I always wanted this ball as a kid. And still do now 😅
    Premier ball, I like these balls, they feel very special to have.
    Mewtwo’s custom Pokéballs from Pokémon the first movie, I have always wanted this version of the pokeball! It looks so EPIC!!
    The timer ball, I really love the design of these balls. They look super awesome! And they look super rare.
    The quick ball, love the look of this ball, and it’s my personal favorite ball to keep my Milotic in it 🥰
    The heal ball, I think these balls are pretty nice looking. And very interesting for what they do.
    The beast ball, they look so badass, it feels like it came from another dimension.
    I always look forward to new pokeball designs for every game.

  • @rexidexi7681
    @rexidexi7681 Місяць тому

    Damn I didn't know that the balls had so many changes over the years. And jeez... Kurt's quality control... Well dann.

  • @tritone2276
    @tritone2276 6 місяців тому +1

    I like to think Kurt was secretly a con man, hence why half of the balls dont even work right, and a good chunk even then would only work on a few pokemon.

  • @2FORN2NITE
    @2FORN2NITE 6 місяців тому

    Take a shot evey time "balls" is uttered

  • @allhailme8457
    @allhailme8457 6 місяців тому +1

    The lure ball used to look greenish. And like you I also wish the yellow park ball was available. Maybe it’ll be a thing if they ever do gen 6 remakes.

  • @kennethlastinger5116
    @kennethlastinger5116 4 місяці тому +1

    Shit, the algorithm has detected my hyperfixation on Pokémon! how did this happen!?
    *types vigorously feeding the algorith more Pokémon*

  • @AnotherButter
    @AnotherButter 4 місяці тому

    I really enjoyed this 30 minute video about balls.

  • @magaz
    @magaz 6 місяців тому +1

    Take a shot every time he says “pokeball”

  • @teddiwooper
    @teddiwooper 6 місяців тому +1

    it feels wrong that the moon ball doesn’t give a catch rate boost to the teddiursa line

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +1

      I feel that the evolution method needed to get ursaluna should at least qualify ursaring for it!

  • @gupdoo3
    @gupdoo3 5 місяців тому +1

    My favorite ball is the Dive Ball because I love the sea and I love Water-type Pokemon

  • @williamstensen5586
    @williamstensen5586 6 місяців тому +2

    favorite ball is the green ball in the first episode of the anime

    • @Turtle-Soup
      @Turtle-Soup  6 місяців тому +1

      The anime definitely has some cool balls in it. Even just recolours of the standard pokeball would add so much in terms of matching balls to Pokémon.

  • @bradwhite5884
    @bradwhite5884 6 місяців тому +2

    Love to see the Park Balls back, both versions, and the gold one should be called Pal Ball or Pal Park Ball tbh, also love more PokeBalls tbh

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 6 місяців тому

      Wish they kept the anime design for the Bug Catching Contest Poke Balls, it's way better than the Sport Ball's design

  • @coltonmartin5057
    @coltonmartin5057 6 місяців тому +1

    I caught Darkrai in a premier ball and Rayquaza in a quick ball

  • @Ruby_Mullz
    @Ruby_Mullz 5 місяців тому

    You forgot how u can put capsules with stickers in gen 4! Easily one of the most random but amazing features in any game! Pairing them with shinies is even cooler.

  • @LinkAlmeida
    @LinkAlmeida 6 місяців тому +2

    Ball names INT vs JP (many share names)
    Poké Ball - Monster Ball
    Great Ball - Super Ball
    Ultra Ball - Hyper Ball
    Master Ball
    Safari Ball
    Fast Ball - Speed Ball
    Level Ball
    Lure Ball
    Heavy Ball
    Love Ball - Lovey-Dovey Ball
    Friend Ball
    Moon Ball
    Sport Ball - Compé Ball (Park Ball in GEN2 INT)
    Net Ball
    Dive Ball
    Nest Ball
    Repeat Ball
    Timer Ball
    Luxury Ball - Gorgeous Ball
    Premier Ball
    Dusk Ball - Dark Ball
    Heal Ball
    Quick Ball
    Cherish Ball - Precious Ball
    Park Ball
    Dream Ball
    Beast Ball - Ultra Ball
    Strange Ball
    Feather Ball
    Wing Ball
    Jet Ball
    Leaden Ball - Megaton Ball
    Gigaton Ball
    Origin Ball

  • @MercuryA2000
    @MercuryA2000 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm still so disappointed that they didn't make the hisui balls appear in scarlet violet. I didn't expect all 9, but i would have appreciated if they made one for the feather ball line and another for the heavy balls.

  • @Numbnuts007
    @Numbnuts007 6 місяців тому

    The only ever time that I used one of the curt balls is using a moon ball to catch my lunala in Moon.

  • @Armedus
    @Armedus 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm simple folk; all I need is a bucket full of regular balls. Why bother with gimmicks when I can toss cheapos until it works. Maybe a premier for permanent team members, definitely use a Lux for legendary, just cause it looks cool.