Is the Cable Debate Over?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
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I think cables do matter. I tried playing my stereo without them and nothing happened.
Haha good one
Just buy a dongle
😂😂
Thank you Scientific Audiophile. You’re a real asset to the hobby and an inspiration. My hearing range is only 15-46000 Hz so still have some work to do.
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It's not a hobby!
I used some chilli powder on my speaker terminals, sounded too hot and forward, so added some ice cream and the speakers sounded sweet, but reversing the cables made the music play backwards!
That's a great idea!
@@scientificaudiophile Thanks for your scientific approval, keep them coming!
Try Reggae Reggae sauce
You can reverse the cables. The music will play backwards. But you can countermand that by turning your speakers up side down.
I reversed the condoms I normally use. Scary, real scary
Here's a test for those with excellent hearing and those with crappy hearing. Place a live band in a room each spaced about 3ft. apart. Guitar, Bass , Piano and Drummer. Blindfold the participants and ask them where each instrument in the room is. Then play a song on the best speakers you can find and ask them is this a live band or a recording? Almost all will fail the first test and everyone will be able to differentiated between live and recorded in about 2 seconds no matter how expensive the cables are.
I just got into your bids, and I have appreciated your sense of humor, dry, but very intense, I don’t think people understand that most of your video is strictly for laps, from what I can tell usually around 20% is actually you being serious, but most of you being Fucking hilarious, love your stuff hope to see more from you this year, or hear from you. Yeah love, my long, crappy sentences, poorly, structured purposely.
POWER CABLES DON'T CARRY AUDIO SIGNALS!
I'm sorry, I yelled.
Thank you. I was looking for the words that could gracefully explain to the average listener that just because they couldn't hear the difference doesn't mean that I can't either. Quality cables belong to those ears that deserve them and as such deserve to be elevated. However, I personally find tinker toys to be crude and childish . Instead, I would recommend the drs-hifi audio, crystal, shock suppression cable risers. This is the key to sublime, holographic audio.
-Love,
Sound Master
Agreed. Not only are tinker toys childish, but they are cheap. Audiophilia is about spending the money necessary to really make a difference.
@@scientificaudiophile are those JBL speakers , surrounds ? they look like hard to tell 8330A ? or any of the A-series that have plastic enclosures . guess you have or don't have or don't care or do care " star wars " but the avr avp you have can't do the proper Dolby Stereo otherwise i would be seeing at least x3 surrounds per sidewall with x2 or x4 back wall . rare to see x6 per back wall .
the height placement is about okay . i would know . been there done 35mm projection .
speaker cable . i guess you not seen the ones used originally connected to those JBL surrounds have you ?
least that is all i can see i can't see the front of the room ? if the stage channels are behind screen ?
Laughed for 5min with this comment 😂
Cable risers are for children. I set my cables at the direct origin of the universe and lower my floor to compensate.
Smart. That eliminates the sound floor completely!
Good advice. Thank you.
I saw Chris’s video a few days ago, so I was eager to see what Scientific Audiophile would make of it. Expletive for a middle name 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 , white noise is a waterfall 61m high 😂🤣😂🤣😂 I’m learning all the time.
285mm, huh? 😂 Love the delivery, good sir. 🤣 Another brilliantly done video….
Glad you enjoyed it
I find wrapping my cables in gold leaf then sealing it in with $100 notes improves my sound...
I would like to know if this person has had any recent hearing checks? How can we validate that he can accurately hear in the first place to know he can hear any difference? (I also feel this should be a yearly requirement for anyone that reviews audio also).
I have demonstrated multiple times cables make no difference, the uber expensive ones I used to run at home are nothing but some branded coax cable, and no one can tell the difference between them and the replacements i made from Amazon basics cable...
My multiple championship winning sound quality car audio setup ran 20 year old stock speaker cables just to prove a point (Also had a competitor blame the flat AA batteries in his RCA's to why he didn't beat me at a comp)
You are a national treasure!
I use a series of elastic straps and spring loaded reels mounted to my ceiling. These suspend all cables in my listening room from picking up floor interference.
Market those. I’ll shill them!
Dear S.A., I can't stop laughing. Thanks for your channel.
My pleasure
I’m fucking losing it. This is awesome.
I needed a good laugh today! That video was epic!
10-60k frequency response! It's all starting to make sense now.
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I too enjoy echolocation.
hi UK here the spiritual home of hi end audio, just affirming that braided power cables do matter hell we even use them on our kettles improves boiling times by a good 30 seconds, keep up the good work
Very true. Just remember French braided cables are best, except in the UK.
@@scientificaudiophile oops forgot, subscribed 👍
Can't wait to see you banging it with OCD Mikey and Jay's Audio.
"It's not a hobby" Absolutely.
His viynls are probably too dirty for him to even tell a REAL difference
Great video. I write this listening to Peter Hurford playing Wachet Auf on an English cathedral organ, and have a jammy Australian Shiraz to enhance my appreciation. Happy New Year 🎉
Rock on!
I actually use tinker toys as cable risers. Their build structure allows them to fit onto my desktop system.
I just slathered some Furutech Liquid Nano on my cables three days ago. Waiting for the burn-in to smoothen out.
Great topic. Liked!
I'm hearing rumors K'Nex is going to release an audiophile version of Tinker Toys. I'll be sure to review.
David Gilmore is some old block who's done the odd job in St johns wood from time to time. I think that's what Chris(T) is banging on about.
The shirt he's wearing makes everything even more ironic, it's a allegory to his thinking.
Great review of a review. Makes perfect sense for this amazing hobby of ours 😘
NOT A HOBBY!!!
@@scientificaudiophile ❤️
@@scientificaudiophile
Yes it is.
Thanks to the rotation of the earth you can have a night and day listening experience too.
I'm still shocked Chris didn't touch on the wood species of the tinker toy risers. Everyone knows you need a species emitting a low hydrocarbon footprint (i.e. spruce or white oak) thereby achieving the best fidelity, warmth and impactful sound stage. Top tip, hanging any >$2500 cable suspended by the tinker toy cable trough from the ceiling gives improved headroom rendering superb imaging to overall listening experience.
Very true. Great tip.
Cables do make a difference. Single ended audio (rca connectors) need coax cables. Most high end cables are not coax and will impact the music; negatively. Boosting some frequencies and cutting others. But the cheap crappy coax have no impact unless you hear above 15MHz.
Cable elevation. Changes the radiation pattern of cable, which can direct the beam pattern of radiating noise in different directions. Correct height is 1500 feet off the ground.
Love your humour! Just subscribed.
I have put my cables on the ceiling, the sound became so spacious! I wonder if put them on the roof?
Can Legos build an audiophile cable elevator?
Yes, but it needs to be premium hifi legos. When they come out with their audiophile cable elevator product and charge over $500, then I would whole heartedly recommend a lego's cable elevator.
Peter Aczel ended it for me maybe 20 years ago. "The biggest lies in audio". At the time, the $$$$ Kimber for example, cost them $9.00 per foot to make. The astronomical markup was pure sucker bait. I took some expensive cables and put them on a comm test bench. I found 5 things. 1. Signal was intact at output. 2. Signal was rolled off at output 3. Signal was not intact at output. ( cable issue) 4. High capacitance and inductance. 5. There was never a "boost" in anything because wire has no gain.
Danny Ritchie is doing it all wrong. Cable risers need to be made of African Macassar ebony, and blessed by Druids during the equinox, and carved by a master Italian luthier in ceremonial garb. Short of that, use some of those glass utility pole insulators.
This is where I say "YMMV" because it's a catch-all and absolves me of any responsibility to the truth. I'm going to try different wines to see what I get. I liked the Cavit pinot grigio , and want to try the Reisling.
Hilarious. Should be more like this.
I was listening to Adele, and after putting my cables on risers I heard Taylor Swift. That is too much of a change for me to handle.
Love the sarcasm... Going to run out and get me some of those risers and a metric ruler. ;-)
You are so funny, thank you for these videos.
Glad you like them!
That was excellent….
We should do a "get rid of the term RMS power" push. No such thing, but people just keep using it.
Are you sure? I'd get rid of peak power because that was never useful. I find RMS to be super important so you know the output of an amp and how much a speaker or driver can take
@@peterotremba8980 Problem is that so called "rms" power is not a good indication of amp power. I have owned dozens of amps, and many 20 watt amps drive speakers a lot louder than some 40 watt amps. The so called rms is not a good indicator of power, especially as there is no way of measuring it. Time the audio industry got into the 21st century.
@@peterotremba8980 Average power if exceeded is what burns out speakers, peak power is what mechanically damages them.
Cables do make a difference. You would not take the cable that connects your 40w bedside lamp to the wall socket and use it to connect your 1500w heater to the mains outlet, would you. On the other hand. You could take the cable that connects your 1500w heater to the wall socket and use it to connect your 40w bedside lamp to the mains outlet. It would however not make any difference to the performance of your 40w lamp, because the bedside lamps stock cable was more than adequate.
All that having been said. I did recently purchase a 5 feet cable from my local hi-fi store, which was reduced from $3500 to $500. I used it to connect my Miele 1800 spin speed washing machine to the mains outlet. I was stunned. My washing machine now reached its maximum spin speed much more quickly. At full speed the machine was a lot smoother and quieter and no longer danced around my utility room. Though I attribute that to the cables tethering properties, not its electrical properties.
The caveat, because there is always a caveat. My teenage daughter used to derive great pleasure from sitting astride that machine when it reached full speed. That damned ultra high end cable has denied her that basic, primal pleasure.
What speakers are those on the wall? They look like the Jbl speakers they use at amc theaters
They are JBL 8320’s, used for our 4 surround speakers. Please note this video was taken in our home theater, not our stereo listening room.
@@scientificaudiophile what speakers do you use in your stereo listening room?
@@Sharur1 I use Tannoy Definition DC8TI's
@@scientificaudiophile what do you use for the front speakers?
@@Azzy_Mazzy Stereo listening or home theater?
Its good to see that Chris(t) has high quality tubes all over his room. Go Christ
I love this takedown. Keep an open wallet and an open mind, but not too open as it may escape and you will lose it forever.
Hilarious and spot on !
van den hul does dutch braided cables
Thanks for the video. Hope to see more
If you reverse a data cable like FireWire, the zeroes and ones go backwards. Seems obvious 🤷
Yooo...all GR-Research (power and speaker) cables are braided. David Gilmour....singer, guitar player, songwriter....Pink Floyd.....Daaaahhhh...After my first encounter with Audio and Hi-fi, I started to appreciate almost every kind of music, not only what the radios play as I did before. Even when sometimes I don't like it (you know...taste wise) I can still appreciate it, SOOOO....
By the way Andrew Robinson's room is treated, but he went for seamless kinds of treatment because...you know, lifestyle (wife Kristi, who doesn't wants to be filmed)....Happy wife......you know the rest....Have a Good ONE
He isn’t serious about the braided cables he is being sarcastic.
GR Research is not someone who you should trust, he believes in a lot junk and outdated speaker design.
@@Azzy_Mazzy you can’t deny the importance of good crossover components, but those tube connectors don’t seem too intriguing.
I thought Null tests show everything, everything else is an episode of the X-Files!
Funniest channel on UA-cam.
smart and funny. keep the good job
god, that vinyl dude is so cringe
triggered warning
How u doin bro?
@@zacaviad919 alright, how about you?
@@Sharur1 Great. Been nice seeing your new turn, much respect and looking forward to more spicy videos. Take care!
You mf when iem
everyone knows that Legos make much better cable raisers than Tinker toys....
Why is your 89-year-old mother cleaning up after you?
So I can spend more time listening to audio gear.
Did you say magic
It's a hobby.
Yes, he's a politician trying to straddle the issue. Why? Our friend Danny primed him to do this by putting him up at Danny's house, asking him if he's a car guy (allegedly first words out of Danny's mouth) and taking him to the drag races, introducing him to the family and being kind to him in general. A smart man engaging a critic will go to work trying to turn that person into a friend before getting down to business. It will ALWAYS soften the criticism.
Regarding cable risers, just as it's critical to have them, the materials they're made of are of equal importance. Tinker toys are the preferred method for getting optimum effect.
Regarding the statement, 'they don't hear it so there is no way you can hear it'. I have to agree, the placebo affect whether in applications of medicine , sound, or taste are subjective. Placebo will work on one person, but not on another, but regardless the effect cannot simply be dismissed off hand. The human brain (not the actual science of the sound) is complex and belief will appear to make things real for a person. The trap that we should not fall into is mistaking the placebo affecting our perception something that can be proven scientifically with the object being observed, or felt.
Regarding guitar cables, there is a distinct difference between the quality of sound between a very cheap guitar cable and one of reasonable quality due to how minute the signal is leaving the guitar and thus susceptible to picking up noise (usually power line frequency) and interelectrode capacitance (rolling off the high frequencies) and cable inductive reactance (rolling off the low frequencies) This is all very real measurable science and can be heard sometimes if a cable is dramaitcally bad but it should be noted that at audio frequencies the latter two effects on the signal is quite negligible. If it applies in the world of hifi it would only really apply to RCA interconnects as well as the circuit design of the equipment in connection. It would not really have anything to do with power or speaker cables as well as digital signal interconnects.
I don't agree that our ears are more sensitive than equipment. The frequency sweeping graphs that have the x axis as frequency , and the y axis as db level would have to show a fairly dramatic difference in order for the human ear to perceive the difference, especially in a dynamic setting like music that provides lots of different frequencies at once. I would challenge anyone to show these charts where they could get variations due to power cable changes or speaker cable changes.. the only changes I've ever seen regarding speaker cables were graphed up to 100kc where the Z of the cable came into play.. Far above the audio range. They all show a flat line up to 20kc which screams snake oil. If I can't show you a relevant chart I'll create an irrelevant chart instead.
Comparing wine tasting to hearing is a red herring, non sequitur.
Chris obviously doesn't understand the means of creating frequency response graphs of the spectrum which everyone uses in audio testing as well as RF testing and measurement. The point being to apply as even db level of frequencies while sweeping the frequency range and reporting the level of how those signals are passed. This sounds like a waterfall, or the old fashion TV set tuned to a channel where there is no signal.
I mean no offense to Chris but he sort of reminds me of the old saying, 'remain silent and be thought a fool, speak and remove all doubt'.
🤣 Another great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Cables are not proven to make a difference at all. An audio analyzer many times more sensitive can't detect a difference. Its a profit center for brands and dealers thats all.
Chris @The Vinyl Attack made it quite clear that no microphone or measuring equipment can hold a candle to the human ear.
@@scientificaudiophile that is not accurate, nor is it factual.
@@IsmaelMartinezPR But Chris heard a clear difference when they simply changed the direction of a cable. A clear difference!
@@scientificaudiophile exactly why it’s invalid. There is inherent bias on humans, it’s impossible to disconnect from it. In marketing that’s why we use Double Blind AB testing. You do it enough frequency in order to eliminate bias and when done right it works. It’s fairly cheap too, all you need are consumers and a controlled test replicable many times. I have never seen any test result from any Audio Brand using such method. That’s why audio analyzer gear is easier.
@@IsmaelMartinezPR All Danny did was switch the FireWire cables direction and he heard a clear difference. He also said people need to keep an open mind. I think the science behind this is settled.
You're great. :)
I think the reason why people think there is no difference between cables is because most speakers don't resolve that well when the system is on the lower end of the spectrum
I love Dogfish I.P.A.
This shit is hilarious
Was this satire? I'm not sure 🤔
Nothing about Scientific Audiophile is anything but pure audiophilia.
Dark side of the Moon sounds like s***!
This was hilarious 😂 😃😃
😆🤣👍🍷 LOL, Thank you!
Awesome! LOL
I love how ridiculously rude the Scientific Audiophile is. Keep up your rebellion against woke mind virus.
Is Diane Bish your momma?
Bish is my girl.
so wait you like this guy? seems like he’s perfect for round earther danny; just words no meat or meaning
Do I like this guy?
It's humour for audiophiles, dude
I agre wit you.
But this is a hobby;)
Not a hobby! 😀
#𝕔𝕒𝕓𝕝𝕖𝕤𝕞𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕣
Arrogant comedian.
Not funny, pathetic in fact.
Honestly the Chris at Vinyl Attack wasn't trying to be funny. And no, we don't consider him pathetic.
@@scientificaudiophile Lighten up. You're having fun with them, I'm having fun with you.
@@mrlondellsgroovymovies Don't tell him what to do, you're not wearing the pants in this relationship.
10 to 60,000 frequencie response??? I'm guessing you are referring to your system. Either way, humans can only hear 20hz to 20,000hz.
Why using others guy's videos to make yours , instead of making your own content as you claim to know better. Poor dude
You should look for the video where he shows the test results from his audiologist, and also the scientific paper metanalysis about his unusual ears using Mikey Fremer as a control.
Well keep your unusual ears and don't tell the masses what is good/bad
Sarcasm definition learn it.