I am crying...I can't breathe, this is the most entertained I have ever been on a youtube video, Scientific Audiofile is my new number one ...subscribed!!
3:41: Riddle me this: What's the difference between 2x two-pin outputs and 1x four-pin output? That's right; nothing. The simple fact that there is only one chassis means that it's not monoblocks. But guess what! Abyss is owned by JPS Labs, a cable company, who's sole purpose is selling you overpriced cables with ridiculous terminations to earn money, and what better way to incentivize people to buy those cables than to first sell them an amplifier that needs them. Look at Chord. Even the $10.000 DAVE doesn't have balanced, it literally only has the XLR outputs for compatibility reasons. At least they're right in that regard.
If I recall, DMS said in his video that he thought he was just delivering the products and watching over them for Abyss, but then linus called him up so it was off the cuff and nervous presentation on his part. But yeah
I feel he is bashing on him a little hard. Especially combined with this knowledge of your comment he could make a "pre message" that dms was unprepared and probably nervous. And even prepared it's hard with LTT, so many viewers and cameras to stay cool
Also it could be very well that he was told to stay easy on the topic and don't go to deep. The viewers are not that knowledged. On the other site I get that you would expect more of they guys abyss is sending
@@heni63 unprepared??? DMS talks audio as his life. this isn't a presentation on a subject he just learned 1 month ago in class. u don't get things as wrong as him if you actually knew.
@@Viewer13128 Idk, not sure how much we should judge based on one video where we might not now what was said before or what was going on. Maybe ask him instead of judging him here. This video is not nice to him I think, but not sure how it was meant. Its a little cyber mobbing, But it's always nice to be on the site that doesn't get bashed.
What he's saying isn't as dumb as DMS, but also quite dumb. "Perfect representation of the band" is not possible, sound engineers mix and master the recorded sound in most cases so it's up to them, and it varies. There's no objectively best. He's as pointless as the rest of the reviewers.
@@Sharur1 Still, he doesn't acknowledge that what he perceives as "close as possible" is what the audio engineer decided it would be. Nothing about it is objective and it varies greatly between genres.
@@Sharur1 Btw it's great to have the new (hopefully) open minded Sharur to talk to now... I actually have a lot of respect for you and your process mate
Great review of a „review“. You should do more of those facts check videos. Plenty of crazy audiophool reviews out there on youtube. You could even rank the reviewers on a BS scale.
Honestly a really entertaining video. Really respect people who understand what they're talking about and are willing to call out the BS from some people on this platform.
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others. Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences, and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things affect our perceptual, and physical hearing biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits you best set of trade-offs. He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
Are you powering the headphone through your gaming system / pc / dedicated headphone amp? It's important to pick a headphone that can be driven properly. If driving off a gaming system or pc we'd have to say get a pair of AKG 371 Closed back. $149 Dedicated amp, go for the HiFiman HE400SE $149
@@scientificaudiophile I'll be driving it off my PC of my razer USB adapter so the 149 set seems like the best option id go with, thank you for your help and feed back.
I found your comment on one of my audio forums and laughed to tears! Some of the people thought you were serious and that made me laugh harder Thanks ;)
hilarious video but I can't agree 100% with not allowing people to have different preferences for sound reproduction. if we are only talking about accuracy, then distortion of any kind is objectively bad. however, some people are into audio (perhaps not "audiophiles" by dictionary definition who chase accurate HiFi reproduction) for less analytical reasons and more enjoyment reasons. I really like what you're trying to do by spreading more real information, but I also think it's important not to gatekeep this hobby overly harshly.
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered among the very the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others. Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences and we all do hear differently- and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things , they all greatly affect our perceptual and physical hearing differences and biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits their own best set of trade-offs. Like most things in nature, things are engineered around competing trade-offs, which includes price, analytical/resolving vs forgiving/musical, and many others. Even the terminology of things like timbre, tonal balance, musicality, etc reveal the subjective contour involved with how professionals and others describe music and Hi Fi. Maybe hundreds of years from now we will have a perfect set of recording and playback methods, and a way to defeat age, room acoustics and other things, so we can create perfect sound. However, I think we all know that we are not there yet. I am sure he will eschew this reality in favor of bashing those headphones when he listens to them. He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
I gotta give DMS some slack here. I’m an LTT fan and Linus is very open that they like to go completely nuts on a product class to make it more engaging. I’m pretty sure that Linus & team very specifically requested DMS to bring the most absolutely crazy gear he possibly could just to showcase the audiophile rabbit hole. He does even say that you could have “half the gear for a similar sound”. The other point is that DMS was sent over specifically to represent Abyss.It can be tough when selling similar products to call one out as ‘the best’ when they may occupy different niches. Perhaps this was the younger days of DMS’s learning, or maybe he was hamming it up for the camera, but he does know his shit. He’s built a number of pretty crazy setups, designed headphones and built an open source speaker (which measures quite well). I’d give the man a bit more credit before you rip apart his every word.
If you want more subscribers,, do a video that provides the proper information and advice that was missed in the Linus Tech video. Advise us on what equipment and specs we should consider. School us with some legit info and options that will educate us audiophiles and consumers.
I just found the channel and it look like the whole shtick is scathing sarcasm. Good for a laugh but as he stated at the start, we aren't gonna learn anything today 🤣
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered among the very the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others. Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences and we all do hear differently- and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things , they all greatly affect our perceptual and physical hearing differences and biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits their own best set of trade-offs. Like most things in nature, things are engineered around competing trade-offs, which includes price, analytical/resolving vs forgiving/musical, and many others. Even the terminology of things like timbre, tonal balance, musicality, etc reveal the subjective contour involved with how professionals and others describe music and Hi Fi. Maybe hundreds of years from now we will have a perfect set of recording and playback methods, and a way to defeat age, room acoustics and other things, so we can create perfect sound. However, I think we all know that we are not there yet. I am sure he will eschew this reality in favor of bashing those headphones when he listens to them. He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
We do a wide range of civilian and DOD/DOE, and I can say that while the setup they have there is not cheap, and are past diminishing returns value for 99% of people, we all have a tendency to,project. I have worked with gear that has critical purpose for engineering, medical and other purposes related to audio that is FAR beyond these prices. However, without it, design engineering would not be possible. Acoustic engineering brings additional complexity in terms of perception, value propositions and ear training and refinement. Like most perceptual things, from audio to food- some think a $100 meal is ridiculous, while others gladly pay much more than that for just their wine. Projecting your value prop on others is a fool’s errand. I got one with flat membranes and a phenomenal response, as run measuring equip here. I like it as much, but differently than my Jade II’s, or Warwick Aperio’s (don’t even bother looking at the price of them, if you think the 1266 are high). HOWEVER, like the Jade’s and a few others I have had, YOU MUST DRIVE THEM PROPERLY, or they do barely average. With the XIAudio power and amp or the WA33, they are glorious. I enjoy several headphones as much (e.g. the Susvara, Meze Epoch’s and some custom’s I engineered for myself). But the 1266’s analytical vs enjoyability/musicality in terms of tone, clarity, realism, timbre soundstage and imaging are at a completely unique place among all headphones regardless of price. However, you can have a nice experience starting around $150, so to each their own- just don’t let others’ ability to attain/afford higher levels of sound quality and enjoyment turn you green.
6:35: Okay, let me get this straight. You go to a restaurant and get served a plate of food. On it there is a steak, some sauce, some greens, and some mashed potatoes. The problem is, that you don't like mashed potatoes. What you're telling me is, that the only option that you have in this scenario that doesn't render you an idiot is throwing the entire plate of food out, and simply open your restaurant. If it were me, I'd just... you know... leave the mash, i.e. take away the part that I don't like. In the same vein, I'd simply EQ the bass down on a song with too much bass that I otherwise like. In the end, audiophilia is about enjoying what you're hearing, and not forcing yourself to hear what someone else enjoys.
Honestly that’s a terrible analogy. Audiopholia is about recreating the sound the artist intended, anything else is a cop out, elitist position that you know better than the artist. The analogy would be you are at a concert and don’t like the way the conductor is asking the bass drums to play Vivaldi’s Magnificat RV 610. That just happens to be the true live sound, which you don’t like. The answer is not to buy that recording of that masterpiece, but find the recording where the conductor did it correctly.
@@scientificaudiophile unless the artist is also the producer, and the engineer, and every other person along the chain, you have no freaking clue about what the artist intended. You are so full of shit.
@@scientificaudiophile At the core Magnus' thought-experiment it's only about the single logical fallacy he perceived in your diatribe. It's like saying you have to be a cow to tell if the milk is bad. I disagree with his superlatives and hyperbole. It's non-productive and blocks 3rd party acceptance of what is otherwise perfectly sound logic on his part. Many artists ARE idiots, many recordings were meant to sound good on car woofers. Soooo you can't say: "ALL". Some youtube viewers DO know better than artists and recording engineers. Absolutely, as an audiophile I expect the equipment to be capable of recreating the sound that was captured on the media. But, only as a starting point. As many men who have reached this point in life where we can FINALLY afford this, I have damaged my hearing (not only with age) but playing on stage and working in industry. I will now endeavor to make the music sound correct to MY ears as I see fit. As a third generation musician, son of an audio/electronic engineer, having obtained my electronics degree in '81 and my PhD in music performance in 2019... I have the expertise and experience to teach. If a microphone used to capture a performance had a noticeable peak; It is not a cop out to level that down. My ears have lost some sensitivity to highs. I have my own ways of bringing them up in a reproduction without added color. I INSIST that it is not a cop out. It is an accomadation. If you extend the metaphor to the mashed potatoes, (and ignore the rudeness) I think you'll understand what the Mag-man meant. btw I haven't used EQ for reproduction since 1982, but (even in reproduction) it's MY music to f*ck with. I reserve the right to correct the sound rendered by an outdated or errant engineering process or a stupid artist. also: Loved you taking down Linus and DMS!
@@TheUprightLuthier-1959 how dare you want to enjoy the music as you see fit!!?! YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE PERFECT SQUARE WAVES FOR GOD'S SAKE! YOU CANT ENJOY MUSIC WITHOUT THEM!
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The funny part is he was a reviewer at the same time not sure if he revied Abyss while being their salesman but I don't think its unproblematic in general to switch to and fro.
Thank you for ripping A-piss headphones. The distortion graphs on ASR are frighteningly bad. Who would have thought a company selling cables for over $1,000 wouldn't understand engineering? 😉
Have you dabbled into the chifi world? Like the Tin 2 pro iem, the 20+ db boost in 8k makes it very analytical very humane. Perfect for a someone someone like me with severe hearing damage. more real than my tinnitus
that means the sound perceived from those sets aren't even accurate to your current actual hearing you are over compensating for your hearing loss rather than equalizing the frequencies to actually compensate for the exact hearing loss
About time someone called these "influencers" / reviewers out on some of their bullshit claims. I'm sure dms is enjoying his free Abyss products. I would like to see how they would score some of these products in some kind of blind test. And they are hideous looking as you said.
Bro, it's been like 5 years and you still haven't decided on a headphone lmao. I literally remember you asking for advice like years ago on my channel. Wtf xD
@@HomeStudioBasics now I have Shp9500 and Sennheiser hd58x with many iems. But wanna upgrade. I'm just trying to gather as much information I can before purchasing.
Interesting...the difference between R2R and DS Dacs is a little more complicated than you expressed. Also, unless you were in the studio with the artist, you have no idea how the music was intended to sound.
Yeah I totally don't get why these type of "audiophiles" keep nagging about 'as the artist intended it to sound'. A DJ, metal band, orchestra or whatever are obviously going to sound different in different setups. Guess we all are going to order a pair of Adam audio speakers as they are one of the common monitors in various studios. And get similar sized rooms with similar treatment for every individual track 🤷 Then maybe it will sound as the artist/ person mixing the track has intended
Second pass at this since it’s hilarious. I honestly have little clue of the true technicalities of sound, however, this DMS guy does feel like that pubescent Best Buy new employee tbh. In fact, to me he sounds like that really annoying employee that just keeps poking at your face with facts while you’re trying to test a product. In my home country this happens a lot in malls with the perfume counter ladies; they don’t know crap, yet they can recitante a comprehensive assortment of made up terms and stuff, and even when you’re just chilling out testing samples, you can actually feel their omnipotent presence. It’s just so invasive.
The LTT video wasn't a review, they always put review in the title when it is. DMS works for abyss, this is why you didn't really get any information beyond "wow" and a loose comparison between the three headphones
DeepGroove HATES when Scientific Audiophile talks about perfect reproduction of what was actually played. You know why? Because it's a re-cor-ding! It's not actual live music. There are no miniaturized musicians dancing on your CD with megaphones! You want to hear what the artists intended? Most artists don't even know what their intentions are! They're freaking high all the time. If you're lucky, you'll get a stitching of the least worst seconds of the accidental noise they ever managed to produce. Not to mention the mastering engineer who has broken arms and undiagnosed ear myopia... Still want to hear more of that best perfect perfection ever? Go to a concert! Become a groupie! Get a bat ear transplant! And save 600 hours to do something for the world. Ugh my god Scientific Audiophile... let's continue... ;)
Diane Bish is never high and you can hear her live in many churches. Unfortunately most of those churches have terrible acoustics and I've been kicked out of more than I like to admit for complaining during the sermon.
Hey i get your point but give that men a break he was working for abyss and has to bring food to the table ... If my boss wants me to tell an apple an oragne in a presentation then i do it so my daughter has a roof over her head.
I hate the looks of the Frankenstein headphones but I also used to have Philips SHL9450 with a similar swivel on top and I liked that function a lot. They folded really tight. Recently I was playing with an idea to make a headphone with really stiff headband and arrived at similar shape to Abyss. This kind of always annoys me about reviewers. They always look at a design and just utter: uglly/pretty, without really digging into design principles behind those decisions. There are acoustic benefits to stiff headbands. A sturdy headphone can have bone conduction effects which is needed, because the same resonance eats away at bass if the headphone is not coupled to your head well enough.
9:12: I thought that you said at 6:31 that the goal is perfect audio? Also, isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder? I thought you didn't believe in subjective opinions.
Absolutely cringeworthy in so many ways. The answers to technical questions like I2S and driver technology made me want to crawl under a rock from embarrassment. Supposed experts like DMS that just make nice looking videos but don't know what they are talking about are exactly like Best Buy employees as you aptly put it.
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered among the very the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others. Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences and we all do hear differently- and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things , they all greatly affect our perceptual and physical hearing differences and biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits their own best set of trade-offs. Like most things in nature, things are engineered around competing trade-offs, which includes price, analytical/resolving vs forgiving/musical, and many others. Even the terminology of things like timbre, tonal balance, musicality, etc reveal the subjective contour involved with how professionals and others describe music and Hi Fi. Maybe hundreds of years from now we will have a perfect set of recording and playback methods, and a way to defeat age, room acoustics and other things, so we can create perfect sound. However, I think we all know that we are not there yet. I am sure he will eschew this reality in favor of bashing those headphones when he listens to them. He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
Funny and eye opening video at the same time. What bothers me a little bit is these guys like DMS have a lot of fun with listening to top gear and I am ok with that, but then they talk a lot of nonsense and call this a fair review and even beg somehow to us to pay for this bla bla by subsribing liking and even becomeing a patreon where I get the bulshit they talk a few days earlier lol.
2:47 Ah, yes! The ever prolific digital problem ... "Quantization noise" ... lolipop graphs! stairsteps! I looked at the graphs and there were jaggies! That's not how music should LOOK!
Let’s not attack people who don’t like accurate sound. Let’s keep it civil. But I agree, those people shouldn’t be allowed to listen to music. There should be a law!
And btw these now cost 6800 mbucks and measure partly quite terrible but the guys from Abyss act like this is the only good sound and others is maybe ok, if you like german sound (whatever that might be lol) These guys are so arrogant so well done a good slap in their face lol
I'm tired of the z generation dialog which includes the words, like, crazy, insane, totally, absolutely. Those headphones remind me of the Dr. Who cybermen aliens. The younger generation has little or no respect for history. Anything older than 15 seconds is irrelevant which also includes what they said 15 seconds ago which is supposed to have been forgotten. Of course if you call them on this they'll deny it and try and gaslight you saying you didn't understand them and of course blame you for being rude. I never trust a person that says, 'trust me'.
My dude, you're funny, you miss understand social interactions as absolute opinions, put words in people's mouths, and have very emotional almost sarcastic reactions, but you are called scientific and that's kinda funny, I cannot tell if it's serious, plz I'm not trying to be mean I cannot tell if you're making a character or being sarcastic to not
"you're not gonna learn something today"
Thanks for pointing to this content )
It sounds more real than real life
@@randomchannel323 ahh yes
Lol
@@randomchannel323 Here at Tyrell Corporation our motto is "More human than human."
I am crying...I can't breathe, this is the most entertained I have ever been on a youtube video, Scientific Audiofile is my new number one ...subscribed!!
I've seen this video at least 30 times
You are not alone
I love this, please review more reviews
3:41: Riddle me this: What's the difference between 2x two-pin outputs and 1x four-pin output? That's right; nothing. The simple fact that there is only one chassis means that it's not monoblocks. But guess what! Abyss is owned by JPS Labs, a cable company, who's sole purpose is selling you overpriced cables with ridiculous terminations to earn money, and what better way to incentivize people to buy those cables than to first sell them an amplifier that needs them. Look at Chord. Even the $10.000 DAVE doesn't have balanced, it literally only has the XLR outputs for compatibility reasons. At least they're right in that regard.
And the Abyss cables are way to stiff and making the headphones even more uncompfortable when listening for a longer time
"It sounds more real than LIFE!" 🤣😅 wow, that is 'magic mushrooms' good.
If I recall, DMS said in his video that he thought he was just delivering the products and watching over them for Abyss, but then linus called him up so it was off the cuff and nervous presentation on his part. But yeah
I feel he is bashing on him a little hard. Especially combined with this knowledge of your comment he could make a "pre message" that dms was unprepared and probably nervous. And even prepared it's hard with LTT, so many viewers and cameras to stay cool
Also it could be very well that he was told to stay easy on the topic and don't go to deep. The viewers are not that knowledged.
On the other site I get that you would expect more of they guys abyss is sending
@@heni63 no, dms literally knows nothing
@@heni63 unprepared??? DMS talks audio as his life. this isn't a presentation on a subject he just learned 1 month ago in class. u don't get things as wrong as him if you actually knew.
@@Viewer13128 Idk, not sure how much we should judge based on one video where we might not now what was said before or what was going on.
Maybe ask him instead of judging him here. This video is not nice to him I think, but not sure how it was meant.
Its a little cyber mobbing, But it's always nice to be on the site that doesn't get bashed.
this video is incredible i'm crying
It must be the audio. It's more real than reality.
What he's saying isn't as dumb as DMS, but also quite dumb. "Perfect representation of the band" is not possible, sound engineers mix and master the recorded sound in most cases so it's up to them, and it varies. There's no objectively best.
He's as pointless as the rest of the reviewers.
@@zacaviad919 He said "as close to that as possible."
@@Sharur1 Still, he doesn't acknowledge that what he perceives as "close as possible" is what the audio engineer decided it would be. Nothing about it is objective and it varies greatly between genres.
@@Sharur1 Btw it's great to have the new (hopefully) open minded Sharur to talk to now... I actually have a lot of respect for you and your process mate
Great review of a „review“. You should do more of those facts check videos. Plenty of crazy audiophool reviews out there on youtube. You could even rank the reviewers on a BS scale.
Couldn't agree more
Please do more of these
Honestly a really entertaining video. Really respect people who understand what they're talking about and are willing to call out the BS from some people on this platform.
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others. Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences, and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things affect our perceptual, and physical hearing biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits you best set of trade-offs.
He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
This is by far the funniest critique of a hifi review..I’ve seen it twice and it had me in splits each time 😂
The sardonic humour gets a A+
The moment DMS said "R2R are the nice ones", I instantly CTRL+W'd.
Can I ask your opinion for a good set of head phones that doesn't break the budget? If you don't mind, Im looking for mostly gaming.
Are you powering the headphone through your gaming system / pc / dedicated headphone amp? It's important to pick a headphone that can be driven properly.
If driving off a gaming system or pc we'd have to say get a pair of AKG 371 Closed back. $149
Dedicated amp, go for the HiFiman HE400SE $149
@@scientificaudiophile I'll be driving it off my PC of my razer USB adapter so the 149 set seems like the best option id go with, thank you for your help and feed back.
I play fps games like destiny 2 so having good sound is needed
@@scientificaudiophile why HE400SE?
i cant stop laughing dude GREAT video.
Glad you enjoyed
I found your comment on one of my audio forums and laughed to tears!
Some of the people thought you were serious and that made me laugh harder
Thanks ;)
He's serious though
I've never seen biceps like DMS, or whatever his name is, on an adult male before😮
hilarious video but I can't agree 100% with not allowing people to have different preferences for sound reproduction. if we are only talking about accuracy, then distortion of any kind is objectively bad. however, some people are into audio (perhaps not "audiophiles" by dictionary definition who chase accurate HiFi reproduction) for less analytical reasons and more enjoyment reasons. I really like what you're trying to do by spreading more real information, but I also think it's important not to gatekeep this hobby overly harshly.
It's almost like he doesn't understand HRTF
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered among the very the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others.
Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences and we all do hear differently- and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things , they all greatly affect our perceptual and physical hearing differences and biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits their own best set of trade-offs.
Like most things in nature, things are engineered around competing trade-offs, which includes price, analytical/resolving vs forgiving/musical, and many others. Even the terminology of things like timbre, tonal balance, musicality, etc reveal the subjective contour involved with how professionals and others describe music and Hi Fi.
Maybe hundreds of years from now we will have a perfect set of recording and playback methods, and a way to defeat age, room acoustics and other things, so we can create perfect sound. However, I think we all know that we are not there yet. I am sure he will eschew this reality in favor of bashing those headphones when he listens to them.
He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
I gotta give DMS some slack here. I’m an LTT fan and Linus is very open that they like to go completely nuts on a product class to make it more engaging.
I’m pretty sure that Linus & team very specifically requested DMS to bring the most absolutely crazy gear he possibly could just to showcase the audiophile rabbit hole. He does even say that you could have “half the gear for a similar sound”.
The other point is that DMS was sent over specifically to represent Abyss.It can be tough when selling similar products to call one out as ‘the best’ when they may occupy different niches. Perhaps this was the younger days of DMS’s learning, or maybe he was hamming it up for the camera, but he does know his shit. He’s built a number of pretty crazy setups, designed headphones and built an open source speaker (which measures quite well).
I’d give the man a bit more credit before you rip apart his every word.
If you want more subscribers,, do a video that provides the proper information and advice that was missed in the Linus Tech video. Advise us on what equipment and specs we should consider. School us with some legit info and options that will educate us audiophiles and consumers.
I just found the channel and it look like the whole shtick is scathing sarcasm. Good for a laugh but as he stated at the start, we aren't gonna learn anything today 🤣
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered among the very the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others.
Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences and we all do hear differently- and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things , they all greatly affect our perceptual and physical hearing differences and biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits their own best set of trade-offs.
Like most things in nature, things are engineered around competing trade-offs, which includes price, analytical/resolving vs forgiving/musical, and many others. Even the terminology of things like timbre, tonal balance, musicality, etc reveal the subjective contour involved with how professionals and others describe music and Hi Fi.
Maybe hundreds of years from now we will have a perfect set of recording and playback methods, and a way to defeat age, room acoustics and other things, so we can create perfect sound. However, I think we all know that we are not there yet. I am sure he will eschew this reality in favor of bashing those headphones when he listens to them.
He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
perfect video channel! love it!
We do a wide range of civilian and DOD/DOE, and I can say that while the setup they have there is not cheap, and are past diminishing returns value for 99% of people, we all have a tendency to,project. I have worked with gear that has critical purpose for engineering, medical and other purposes related to audio that is FAR beyond these prices. However, without it, design engineering would not be possible. Acoustic engineering brings additional complexity in terms of perception, value propositions and ear training and refinement. Like most perceptual things, from audio to food- some think a $100 meal is ridiculous, while others gladly pay much more than that for just their wine. Projecting your value prop on others is a fool’s errand.
I got one with flat membranes and a phenomenal response, as run measuring equip here. I like it as much, but differently than my Jade II’s, or Warwick Aperio’s (don’t even bother looking at the price of them, if you think the 1266 are high). HOWEVER, like the Jade’s and a few others I have had, YOU MUST DRIVE THEM PROPERLY, or they do barely average. With the XIAudio power and amp or the WA33, they are glorious. I enjoy several headphones as much (e.g. the Susvara, Meze Epoch’s and some custom’s I engineered for myself). But the 1266’s analytical vs enjoyability/musicality in terms of tone, clarity, realism, timbre soundstage and imaging are at a completely unique place among all headphones regardless of price.
However, you can have a nice experience starting around $150, so to each their own- just don’t let others’ ability to attain/afford higher levels of sound quality and enjoyment turn you green.
OMG. Neat to see you commenting here. Not surprised you have good advice.
6:35: Okay, let me get this straight. You go to a restaurant and get served a plate of food. On it there is a steak, some sauce, some greens, and some mashed potatoes. The problem is, that you don't like mashed potatoes. What you're telling me is, that the only option that you have in this scenario that doesn't render you an idiot is throwing the entire plate of food out, and simply open your restaurant. If it were me, I'd just... you know... leave the mash, i.e. take away the part that I don't like. In the same vein, I'd simply EQ the bass down on a song with too much bass that I otherwise like. In the end, audiophilia is about enjoying what you're hearing, and not forcing yourself to hear what someone else enjoys.
Honestly that’s a terrible analogy. Audiopholia is about recreating the sound the artist intended, anything else is a cop out, elitist position that you know better than the artist. The analogy would be you are at a concert and don’t like the way the conductor is asking the bass drums to play Vivaldi’s Magnificat RV 610. That just happens to be the true live sound, which you don’t like. The answer is not to buy that recording of that masterpiece, but find the recording where the conductor did it correctly.
@@scientificaudiophile unless the artist is also the producer, and the engineer, and every other person along the chain, you have no freaking clue about what the artist intended. You are so full of shit.
@@scientificaudiophile At the core Magnus' thought-experiment it's only about the single logical fallacy he perceived in your diatribe. It's like saying you have to be a cow to tell if the milk is bad. I disagree with his superlatives and hyperbole. It's non-productive and blocks 3rd party acceptance of what is otherwise perfectly sound logic on his part. Many artists ARE idiots, many recordings were meant to sound good on car woofers. Soooo you can't say: "ALL". Some youtube viewers DO know better than artists and recording engineers. Absolutely, as an audiophile I expect the equipment to be capable of recreating the sound that was captured on the media. But, only as a starting point. As many men who have reached this point in life where we can FINALLY afford this, I have damaged my hearing (not only with age) but playing on stage and working in industry. I will now endeavor to make the music sound correct to MY ears as I see fit. As a third generation musician, son of an audio/electronic engineer, having obtained my electronics degree in '81 and my PhD in music performance in 2019... I have the expertise and experience to teach. If a microphone used to capture a performance had a noticeable peak; It is not a cop out to level that down. My ears have lost some sensitivity to highs. I have my own ways of bringing them up in a reproduction without added color. I INSIST that it is not a cop out. It is an accomadation. If you extend the metaphor to the mashed potatoes, (and ignore the rudeness) I think you'll understand what the Mag-man meant. btw I haven't used EQ for reproduction since 1982, but (even in reproduction) it's MY music to f*ck with. I reserve the right to correct the sound rendered by an outdated or errant engineering process or a stupid artist. also: Loved you taking down Linus and DMS!
@@TheUprightLuthier-1959 how dare you want to enjoy the music as you see fit!!?! YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE PERFECT SQUARE WAVES FOR GOD'S SAKE! YOU CANT ENJOY MUSIC WITHOUT THEM!
do the powercables provide any acutal (measurable) benefits ?
Absolutely no measurable difference.
@@scientificaudiophile oh i didnt noticed it was ironic.
Yes.
Your wallet was measurably lighter but it’s okay because the spender was less analytical and the headphone company found it more pleasing.
Masterpiece reaction video ❤ please do more contents like that
Thanks.
Hi, I enjoy your videos of audio gear
Your humor is deadpan great
Is your stocks video humor also?
With trading I wouldn't know.
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Isn't DMS a salesman for Abyss? Thanks for debunk those scam companies.
He was. Not sure if he still is.
The funny part is he was a reviewer at the same time not sure if he revied Abyss while being their salesman but I don't think its unproblematic in general to switch to and fro.
Thank you for ripping A-piss headphones. The distortion graphs on ASR are frighteningly bad. Who would have thought a company selling cables for over $1,000 wouldn't understand engineering? 😉
So fun to watch…
Have you dabbled into the chifi world? Like the Tin 2 pro iem, the 20+ db boost in 8k makes it very analytical very humane. Perfect for a someone someone like me with severe hearing damage. more real than my tinnitus
that means the sound perceived from those sets aren't even accurate to your current actual hearing you are over compensating for your hearing loss rather than equalizing the frequencies to actually compensate for the exact hearing loss
Excellent video!
LMFAO, thanks sharur for introducing me to this video
2:25 that is the real question!
About time someone called these "influencers" / reviewers out on some of their bullshit claims. I'm sure dms is enjoying his free Abyss products. I would like to see how they would score some of these products in some kind of blind test. And they are hideous looking as you said.
I didnt learn anything
you should learn that salesmen are hardly believable and how Linus is not helping the situation to look better either
What headphones or IEMs do you actually use?
This was a delight.
Great review man. Please recommend some great headphone under $1000 for bass response.
Bro, it's been like 5 years and you still haven't decided on a headphone lmao. I literally remember you asking for advice like years ago on my channel. Wtf xD
@@HomeStudioBasics now I have Shp9500 and Sennheiser hd58x with many iems. But wanna upgrade. I'm just trying to gather as much information I can before purchasing.
@@HomeStudioBasics I don't know commenting can hurt people 🙄
Just chill bro
@@towsifshahriarshovo I just thought it was funny no worries bro. 👊
@@HomeStudioBasics appreciated 😊❤️
Review of an old review? Is this what youtube has come to?
DMS has worked on Dianas as he claimed so no wonder.
subscribed after 5 seconds
I come from the Linux Community. I honestly didn't think there could be a more toxic community than Arch Linux's. I was wrong.
Audiophilia is more toxic than anything else on this planet.
Interesting...the difference between R2R and DS Dacs is a little more complicated than you expressed. Also, unless you were in the studio with the artist, you have no idea how the music was intended to sound.
Yeah I totally don't get why these type of "audiophiles" keep nagging about 'as the artist intended it to sound'. A DJ, metal band, orchestra or whatever are obviously going to sound different in different setups. Guess we all are going to order a pair of Adam audio speakers as they are one of the common monitors in various studios. And get similar sized rooms with similar treatment for every individual track 🤷 Then maybe it will sound as the artist/ person mixing the track has intended
Wow that's a great video. It's high time someone calls out these bs reviewers aka salesman.
Be fair Linus has tried the HE1 and everything seems fair Vs that
He also used Etymotic, so everything seems overpriced vs that...
@@lukabosnjak3829 not an Iem though
People are really starting to warm up to you. Love to see you banging it with OCD Mikey and Jay's Audio.
"You're not going to learn something today." 🤣
Second pass at this since it’s hilarious. I honestly have little clue of the true technicalities of sound, however, this DMS guy does feel like that pubescent Best Buy new employee tbh. In fact, to me he sounds like that really annoying employee that just keeps poking at your face with facts while you’re trying to test a product. In my home country this happens a lot in malls with the perfume counter ladies; they don’t know crap, yet they can recitante a comprehensive assortment of made up terms and stuff, and even when you’re just chilling out testing samples, you can actually feel their omnipotent presence. It’s just so invasive.
The LTT video wasn't a review, they always put review in the title when it is. DMS works for abyss, this is why you didn't really get any information beyond "wow" and a loose comparison between the three headphones
Seems like all the reviewers are just in sales these days.
They always have been
DeepGroove HATES when Scientific Audiophile talks about perfect reproduction of what was actually played. You know why? Because it's a re-cor-ding! It's not actual live music. There are no miniaturized musicians dancing on your CD with megaphones!
You want to hear what the artists intended? Most artists don't even know what their intentions are! They're freaking high all the time. If you're lucky, you'll get a stitching of the least worst seconds of the accidental noise they ever managed to produce. Not to mention the mastering engineer who has broken arms and undiagnosed ear myopia...
Still want to hear more of that best perfect perfection ever? Go to a concert! Become a groupie! Get a bat ear transplant! And save 600 hours to do something for the world.
Ugh my god Scientific Audiophile... let's continue...
;)
Diane Bish is never high and you can hear her live in many churches. Unfortunately most of those churches have terrible acoustics and I've been kicked out of more than I like to admit for complaining during the sermon.
@@scientificaudiophile "Father, have you considered replacing the vitrails with acoustic panels?"
Hey i get your point but give that men a break he was working for abyss and has to bring food to the table ... If my boss wants me to tell an apple an oragne in a presentation then i do it so my daughter has a roof over her head.
This Audio scientist guy is the epitome of Dunning Kruger syndrome.
LMAO Susvara owner 😭
Is it just me or do these two shame everyone else in the set of sentient beings?
"DMS what does that stand for dumb man standing?" LMAO
Oh yea that was good.
I hate the looks of the Frankenstein headphones but I also used to have Philips SHL9450 with a similar swivel on top and I liked that function a lot. They folded really tight. Recently I was playing with an idea to make a headphone with really stiff headband and arrived at similar shape to Abyss. This kind of always annoys me about reviewers. They always look at a design and just utter: uglly/pretty, without really digging into design principles behind those decisions. There are acoustic benefits to stiff headbands. A sturdy headphone can have bone conduction effects which is needed, because the same resonance eats away at bass if the headphone is not coupled to your head well enough.
"This sounds more real than real life" lmfao, what does that even mean?
Prolly just meant as a quirky wordplay...
they sent dms because he's a salesman
Subbed, me likey.
Hilarious
We need more of these.😅
I laughed so hard. Thanks
Just when I thought it doesn’t get worse than Andrew Robinson, Linus takes the title.
9:12: I thought that you said at 6:31 that the goal is perfect audio? Also, isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder? I thought you didn't believe in subjective opinions.
Correct. Perfect audio that looks great. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but no one would ever believe these headphones are beautiful.
@@scientificaudiophile those headphones are sexy my friend. Some find earpods elegant while others find them ugly
when laying down 5k for a pair of headphones, they should look fuc**** fantastic to the majoriy of people , if not all!
Lmao, i think DMS has landed himself with a lifetime sentence of dumbness there.
Excellent work S A.👍
Sadly, he has gotten much better of late, and I feel a little bad I went so hard on him.
I hope he is kidding about many of his assertions. I know he’s a hit of a joker, but many will likely think he’s serious.
Manipulation of words reaches the summit here😂
Absolutely cringeworthy in so many ways. The answers to technical questions like I2S and driver technology made me want to crawl under a rock from embarrassment.
Supposed experts like DMS that just make nice looking videos but don't know what they are talking about are exactly like Best Buy employees as you aptly put it.
He obviously does not know, but many of the most widely revered, highest end DAC’s used for reference standards for developing and evaluating other DAC’s are R2R. Generally considered among the very the finest DAC’S, the Chord Dave, Denafrips ARES, dCS and other top DAC’s are all R2R Ladder DAC’s- so are many others.
Also, all people DO have perceptual preferences and we all do hear differently- and in fact, as a function of age, sex, occidental/oriental and many other things , they all greatly affect our perceptual and physical hearing differences and biases. Also, since there is no perfect recording in terms of recording or playback/reproduction, so different people DO need to find what fits their own best set of trade-offs.
Like most things in nature, things are engineered around competing trade-offs, which includes price, analytical/resolving vs forgiving/musical, and many others. Even the terminology of things like timbre, tonal balance, musicality, etc reveal the subjective contour involved with how professionals and others describe music and Hi Fi.
Maybe hundreds of years from now we will have a perfect set of recording and playback methods, and a way to defeat age, room acoustics and other things, so we can create perfect sound. However, I think we all know that we are not there yet. I am sure he will eschew this reality in favor of bashing those headphones when he listens to them.
He knows a lot less than he thinks he does. Many of the things he asserted most strongly are simply WRONG, such as: (1) the best DAC’s are Delta-Sigma, (2) we all perceive and hear the same, (3) the recording is some sort of a reference standard, given that he likely have never listened to proper master tapes, or even well recorded PDM files keeps him from knowing any better- let alone been part of thousands (or even 10’s) or live studio recordings, defines his lack of knowledge.
What da sigma?
My chest hurts from laughing
😂
Funny and eye opening video at the same time. What bothers me a little bit is these guys like DMS have a lot of fun with listening to top gear and I am ok with that, but then they talk a lot of nonsense and call this a fair review and even beg somehow to us to pay for this bla bla by subsribing liking and even becomeing a patreon where I get the bulshit they talk a few days earlier lol.
SUBSCRIBED!!! Less bs
2:47 Ah, yes! The ever prolific digital problem ... "Quantization noise" ... lolipop graphs! stairsteps! I looked at the graphs and there were jaggies! That's not how music should LOOK!
There is diferent sound for diferent people. Not everyone like acurate sound.
Let’s not attack people who don’t like accurate sound. Let’s keep it civil. But I agree, those people shouldn’t be allowed to listen to music. There should be a law!
And btw these now cost 6800 mbucks and measure partly quite terrible but the guys from Abyss act like this is the only good sound and others is maybe ok, if you like german sound (whatever that might be lol) These guys are so arrogant so well done a good slap in their face lol
There is not a point
Cool
Amateur Hour 😂
Abyss prices already skyrocked so you won't get them even for this high prices.
Scripting (or editing) the video could help
I'm tired of the z generation dialog which includes the words, like, crazy, insane, totally, absolutely. Those headphones remind me of the Dr. Who cybermen aliens. The younger generation has little or no respect for history. Anything older than 15 seconds is irrelevant which also includes what they said 15 seconds ago which is supposed to have been forgotten. Of course if you call them on this they'll deny it and try and gaslight you saying you didn't understand them and of course blame you for being rude.
I never trust a person that says, 'trust me'.
He looks like mew cat
DMS really beclowns himself here 🤣
My dude, you're funny, you miss understand social interactions as absolute opinions, put words in people's mouths, and have very emotional almost sarcastic reactions, but you are called scientific and that's kinda funny, I cannot tell if it's serious, plz I'm not trying to be mean
I cannot tell if you're making a character or being sarcastic to not
Dumb man standing ha ha ha ha ha
Twin turbo V8 supercharged 🤣🤣🤣🤣
50000 extra horsepower
A $5 Sony MH1 sounds better than all of those headphones
I don't know why you're so bitter, I hope you find peace, truly.
Incel boomer destroys tech channel that knows very little about HiFi
Nah fr your funny tho keep it up
@@youpig6060 it's LoFi these $5000000 headphones are trash anyways
Who's gonna buy them no one 🤣
Could click out of this video and ignore the channel faster. Anything in the Amir vein gets a thumbs down.
I love you SAP
POLL: By responses to this comment, rank the two 3 audio reviewer bullshitters. Go
1. Scientific Audiophile 2. Steve Acoustic 3. Helmholtz the Cat
Click three dots, don't recommend channel. You need a different schtick.
I just unsubscribed to DMS YT channnel because of the BS.
TC stands for total crap?
Yes r2r dac still sound better.
You need 500 hours befoe you make a decision? Really?
You buy high end stuff because of design? Really Scientific guy?