CRANE "Fireball" 292 angle plug GM over the counter race heads from 1975.
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2024
- Checking out a old set of CRANE Fireball heads from the mid 1970s. Best SBC heads money could buy in the 70s. Can still make serious NA power today. Extremely rare these days tho. Most were destroyed on race cars.
Holy shit. Your collection of parts is unreal and bad ass. True old school. Brings back my all my memories.
Been collecting this shit for 40+yrs now. Tends to pile up over the years. I find parts all the time that I forgot I even had. Still have the engine out of my first "good" car.
What a blast from the past, I remember drooling over the Crane Fireball heads at my local speed shop in 1974, wanted a set in a bad way.
I bought some new old stock ones, never used for $1200 like a month ago. Sent them away to have a tunnel ram ported for them. They're going on a 352, 400sbc block with 327 sbc crank
@@lollipop84858 Picked up a set from a guy couple yrs ago on a forum drove from vegas to la to meet me...valves were really sunk I was bummed. Decent port job but junk pretty much. Still bought em as I gave my word. Left them at the machine shop said they could have em.
Guy I races with a set of those 292 heads on his 377 running in a dragster with those dinky airplain tire for steering tires. The 377 had mechanical fuel injecting , running methanol. Running 8.20's with them 292 turbo heads buzzing pretty good rpm
Sounds like a badass ride. I'd love to have a vintage Hilborn setup. People want crazy money for them now.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 Id love to find a decent tunnel ram for my 383 mostly st. Too much $ and many have real problems
I want to make a couple corrections, I said Isky springs, later said Crane springs, but I had Crane on the brain and they are actually Isky springs. Think i said Crane 1.5 rockers, but actually I was talking about a set of 1.55 ratio Crane gold rockers from 1991. Been a long night....
Had a set on a 355 13-1 motor with a 625/670 crane hyd roller. That motor screamed. The heads were worked over by Brandywhine in Pa. Miss that motor
They definitely can make the power. Back when I was young, these heads were out of reach for most folks. Didn't see many sets.
,,,,Where in Pa was Brandywhine ?????
Westchester PA
I've got a set of 492's.Never bolted them on anything. Fixed to the max.I want to run them on a forged Flat top piston 400 smallblock
Those have been well repaired!
@@m97429 They'll definitely support a pretty good amount of power. Pretty high end shit back in the day. Rare these days.
@@m97429 They have 5/16 stem intake valves too. Didn't mention that in the video.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 Really you should of pointed out to us that these were heavily repaired in the deck surfaces and what you thought of it good or bad.
I really like your presentation of these parts from the old days. I have a set of IK200’s going on my 377, but these old “factory” parts still really appeal to me.
Something cool about them old race car parts. Back when people had to get creative.
I have a "factory" race car too, it's a 63 SD 421 Catalina. It's rough, but worth saving. Been sitting 54 years.
If I don't get a chance to meet you, I missed out! You remind me of my old timers who showed me a lot, that's all!
I'm a peculiar individual they say. Spent too much time alone building engines. Pretty laid back for the most part.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 Unless someone bitches about you cussing.
I really enjoy your channel you gave me the interest to do a 331 sbc i am going to run a 540 ,550 lift 4-7 swap cam with the aluminum heads and valves from Goodson i came across a 3.25 forged crank the same one the Grump used. Can see why engine builders are addament about decking the block the one side on my block was 9.28 and it was out side to side on the deck. The machenist i am using builds the old school way and they turn out very good. I live in Canada so parts are double the price. I am hoping to get 400 plus hp out of it i am going to run 11 to 1 compression
You should have no problem getting 400hp out of it, 500hp comes pretty easy with the right build. Stock L-79 327s made over 400hp with just a cam swap and headers. I had a 66 L-79 that made 540hp over 30yrs ago. I'm fixin to build a 65 L-79 and I want 550+hp & 8500rpm out of it. Gonna be rowdy. Good luck with your project. Thanks for watching.
Nice my man...Always wanted a set of them from just learning and reading books in the late 80,s man....still run a few ol Chevys with some worked over 291,s on one and 186,s on the other....but those are the Holly grail in my book man. NICE!
Definitely rare these days. Old hotrod parts are cool. Like a time capsule or something.
We were all pretty much running the double hump heads in those days. I was one of the 1st to get the Chevy Bowtie Aluminum heads that came out in the early 80's....I think I payed $800 for a set of bare castings. game changer.
I had a pair of the Phase 2 Bowties back in the 80s. Made big power with them, don't know what they flowed, but they were ported as far as they could be ported. Ran low 6s in the 8th on a 302 SBC.
Had a bunch of double humps too, still have a few pairs tucked away. Also have a pair of 041s that were on a NHRA Superstock 350. They are pretty hogged out.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 I didnt port mine just cleaned them up. Not sure what they flowed ..would have been interesting.
I have 2 sets in my garage, one set is ported like pro stock heads and are super thin and angle milled a crap ton. That have a few heat crack on the Exh seats but done leak water
I was working at a chevy dealer in 1985 ,they had a sert of 292 heads and a 4 inch bore block with a windage screen ,I never could get the parts manager to price them to me . told a friend about about them ,he told a friend that walked into the parts room , bought the heads for $300. Sometimes ya got to keep your mouth shut lol. or col (cry out loud)
Damn, that dude scored. These things sell for big money these days. Almost hate to use them because they are so rare.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 big money? I got a set of 292s, new old stock, checked out ready to bolt on for $1200. About a month ago
Dude, you have so much cool, ole skool shite there, where are all your videos? Please, keep posting the build of your new high horse, small block with them nice Crane heads, and whatever else, performance parts you will be using, glad i seen your video here. Cheers from NZ, born 1971.
Thanks for watching man, I'm a old school dude. Kinda like these parts. I was already retired when I started making videos. I make them for my daughter that never had nothing to do with me, figure after I'm dead, she can watch these videos and see what her dad was into. Don't expect to ever make any money here. I built engines for a living and worked in a couple machine shops over the past 30+yrs. Pretty much been around this shit my entire life. Been building engines for over 40yrs.
Your close to my age.
World's fastest Indian from NZ. Burt Munroe was a hell of a guy. I knew of him since I was a kid. Watched a documentary about him that was made in the early 70s when I was a kid. Seen the movie years later too. Always thought I'd like to visit that place, looks nice from what I've seen.
I was only able to afford the crane fireball 2 cams back in the late 80,s....292 hydraulic forget the lift and all the rest.....Howard Crane was the man.....sooo miss them days for sure.
Yep, Crane was the go to for good shit. Had a bunch of their gold rockers and stud girdles back in the day. Still have alot of it.
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Great heads i had those too in the early 90s
Yep, they are still killer heads even today. These flow more than my set of Brodix IK200s, DART PRO 1s and some Promaxx 200 heads I have. I have some DART 215s that flow about as much as these 292s. Also have a pair of mildly ported Pro Topline 220s that don't flow a whole lot more than these. Don't know the intake volume on these 292s, it was 180cc-185cc stock, but these are closer to 210cc. Exhaust ports are around 75cc. People made alot of power with these old 292 turbo heads.
Pretty rare heads these days.
Rare as hens teeth!! Youre the crypt keeper man!
Combustion chamber shape was advanced for that time...Ported those work really really well! By someone that knows what they are doing very little difference form a set of 195 afrs. Those are bitchin man
@@gordocarbo Definitely hardcore back in the day, these flow more than a lot of current day aftermarket heads. Lots of power potential there. Almost hate to use them because they are so rare. Damn near belong in a museum. Gonna build a killer 327 with them.
,,,,,,,,,I had a set of the angle plug heads back in 1976........at the young age of 24,,,,,I new little of the deep head stuff......After years of study [ now age 73 ] I wish I had kept those heads instead of trading them .........but today I have my brody 205 intake aluminum heads plus others.......My 96 Camaro has two sets of angle plug heads........Like that roller cam you showed the specs on,,,,,,Grumpy probably ran one close to it.......
292s are definitely rare these days. Pretty good old heads tho. We have a 94 Trans Am 25th anniversary in our fleet also. Hate working on that thing. Pretty peppy for stock. I have another 97 LT1 engine I'm gonna build rowdy as hell for it eventually. Also have a couple 3rd gens. 84 Z-28 has a 550+hp SBC in it. It's a mover. 85 TA still gotta build.
I have some Brodix heads on a 355 I just built. Don't know which vehicle it's going into, maybe a 95 Blazer 2 door I have sitting in the yard. It's pretty rowdy too.
Really cool man
Gotta love them rare old artifacts from days gone by. Fuckers really belong in a museum.
The ones I ever had the chance to buy back in the day...30-35 plus.....had been angle milled or on its last valve job. Nice set of ol school TURBO heads man.
Yep, most of them got used up a long time ago.
Newer set of Darts...between machinig screwups, fixing bad valve jobs mine are the same. Cant be milled again.
Thanks for showing us the old heads.
Cast iron head make more power than aluminum heads.
They hold the heat of the flame in the cylinder.
More low end torque (Cast Iron)
If you ain’t got good fuel
Use water injection for high compression
Alot of people never heard of these old heads. But they definitely can make the power. GM should start selling them again. Alot of old school guys would buy them im sure. I probably would buy a new pair. Thanks for watching man.
I'll probably run this engine on E-85. Cheapest "racing fuel" ya can buy.
I had a set of them... I STILL HAVE a good one left over.
Keep your eyes on eBay and ya might be able to find a single. I have seen a couple over the years. Should have bought all of them.
Mine have been angle milled .120 on the surface and cut for 1.625 springs. I doubt I'd ever spend the money to machine a matching head. I can buy superior aluminum heads cheaper
You really need more cars and trucks for all those engines now.😁😎👍
Yep, I definitely need a fleet. I went to jail years ago and when I got out, 15+ vehicles vanished out of my yard. Still pissed off over that.
All were project cars. All good shit too, like a shortbed 70 C-10 for example. Bunch of G-bodys. A 86 Buick GN, etc.
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Man, that is almost worse than getting locked up! 15 cars gone, I would 😢 when I got back to find that out. The longer you wait to replace them the more expensive it's going to be.🤷 Anyway those are really cool heads, maybe you can cash them out to get a car or 3?😎👍
@@itseithergonnaworkoritaint7852where I live now I'm limited on space. Still have around 15 vehicles. People like to complain these days. All the vehicles that got stole were scrapped. Some had expensive engines in them too. Had a 78 Gran Prix with a 1970 RA3 400 Pontiac swapped into it, also had a 8.5 rear from a GN Buick. The T400 trans also came out of a 70 GTO. Bastards scrapped it too. It sat for years, so to the un trained eye, it was junk. Fuckin ex wife and her boyfriend did it.
. Had a 79 Malibu that came stock with a 4-spd, had a Super T-10 swapped into it. And it also got scrapped. Engine was out. So once again it looked like junk to a non enthusiast. Extremely rare car now.
I bought one at a small swap meet for 20 bucks, end up giving it to my cousin. He had one to complete the set.
He lucked out. Nice score.
Just had made 6.0 rod 406.hyd roller,forged crank and rods..9.75 to 1.fully ported 292 turbo heads. made 585hp at 6,400 rpm on 91 octane pump gas for my street beast.
That's a killer setup. Be alot of fun. Good numbers too.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 castings are 840292 gm
G-26-5 is the date code, July 26 1975. I couldnt hardly read it looking thru the phone. Believe I said January in the video.
I wish could get a set in Australia
Could probably get some shipped over, but it would be expensive as hell. Plus these heads are rare and bring big money. Last pair I seen for sale were $2700 bucks. They were real nice. But you could buy 2 pair of new Brodix IK 200 heads for that price if your just wanting to go fast. I like collecting the old 70s race shit myself tho. Like a piece of history.
Im currently building a SBC 408 with 292 turbo heads port & polished 58 cc they flow 300 cfm with howard solid roller cam 615 lift flat top piston, hoping to get 450 hp???
Shit, you should be well over 550-575hp & 500+tq with those parts. Use a good singleplane intake and at least a 850 double pumper. Joe Sherman built a 406 with these heads and a big solid roller and 13-1 compression,Victor E intake with a 1050 Dominator, he got 660+hp out of it back in the 80s. Stock cast crank in it. NASCAR 358ci SBCs were making 575-600hp with these heads back in the late 70s. They can make alot of power even today.
Youll be well over 12-1 compression with flattops & 58cc chambers on a 400.
Will be great making this HP I will be happy Thank you
How do you know the HP this douche will be making? He only stated the lift, no mention of the cam duration or his chosen compression ratio
Hey Sam, I have a 383sbc in a 78 Lemans g body with 215cc Dart iron eagle heads. How would these fireball heads compare with my iron eagles? They look like they would be close to each other. My 383 made 420hp at the tire on pump fuel at just over 7000rpm through a th350 and a junk 7.5 10 bolt. You have some awesome stuff.
I had a pair of the Iron Eagles back when they came out. Believe they flowed in the 280cfm intake and 190cfm on the exhaust. I built a 357 with them and made close to 570hp. Had a monster solid roller and 12.5-1 compression, Super Victor intake with a 850 Holley DP. Ran real good. With a little work, those 215s can go over 300+cfm. I once heard that DARTs Dick Maskins based his first heads on a modified 292 GM head. The later platinum versions were slightly better as is, but ported they are pretty much the same. Good heads, thick too.
Your engine is making over 500+hp at the crank.
I had a 477ci bigblock Chevy that made almost 700hp at the crank, on a chassis dyno it put down 566hp. T-400 with a 5000 stall 8 inch converter, 12-bolt with 4-33 gear. Had it in a Malibu wagon that ran low 10s on the street back in the 90s.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 It goes pretty good. It is a solid roller Lunati with just over .600 lift, harland sharp roller rockers and a crane rocker stud girdle. Car has a 4500stall and a trans break. It needs a 9" or dana 60 in a bad way. I never built the motor It came in the car.
i have angle plug heads.the only number i can find is 22628 is stamped on the outside of the head.help??
Are there no numbers in the valvetrain area? If that number is stamped on the end of the head, it could be a Crane head. Should say Crane also, letters could be filled with paint. I'd buff it down to bare metal and take a close look. They also had people converting heads to angle plugs also. That was common in the 70s race scene.
SBC Heads should have a 7 digit number and a date above it. Do they have exhaust crossover? Are they cut for 1.5 diameter springs? 492s were the production angle plug heads, but they had a exhaust crossover. There's a couple other numbers for them, but I think they were service replacement use. The Crane 292 heads are all nicely ported & milled. They also use 2.05/1.60 valves.
Vintage Americana !
I currently got these 292s on a 355 in my 67 Camaro
Probably runs pretty damn good I'm sure. Killer old heads.
She runs pretty good
I have a pair of those!!!
Better hold on to them, they are rare as hell these days.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 I'm planning building a retro type engine
Don't shoot me for being a Ford guy....I have Built a strong ass small block Chevy for a very successful 69 Z28 Bracket car....I miss the days when you went ass as fast as your brains and ability....not necessarily your bank account....everybody gets a trophy today....now days bracket racers change Turbo LS engines like a top fuel funny car team between races....lol
Actually I've built more than a few Ford hotrods and drag cars for people back years ago. I have a 96 Ranger with a turbocharged 2.3 in it, Turbocoupe T-5 trans, 1990 4x4 4.1 5spd Ranger 8.8 rearend with a Detroit locker in it with 33 spline axles & 4-10 gear. It's pretty peppy for a 4cyl. Always wanted to build a 71 Pinto with a Cleveland in it. Early Mavericks are cool too. If I was rich I'd build one with a 427 SOHC engine. I really like the Cleveland's tho, I've built 3, 1 was for a restoration of a 71 Mach 1 Boss 351, the other 2 were drag race engines, 1 went into another 71 Mach 1, and the other went into a 84 Fox body Mustang. Also built a few 460s, 1 was a 557ci for a mud bog truck, another was a 514ci loaded with Motorsport goodies, it went into a 67 F-100, and a mild 466ci for a 53 Ford truck. Built a 428 FE CJ for a 68 Mustang, a 427 FE Highriser that came from Holman Moody, ex NASCAR engine from the 60s, it went into a 63 Galaxy 500 drag car. Been a few 5.0s thrown in the mix too. Built a radical 358ci Yates headed Ford for a 79 Capri, dude died in it first day he drove it. I've always liked the muscle car era Ford's. Also dig the 37-38 Ford's. I'm not real impressed with LS engines. I've built a few of them too for other people. A good NA build gets expensive real quick. And junkyard LS with a turbo is just lazy bullshit. I wouldn't waste my time. Shits a grenade with the pin out. But they are trendy....
I had a 62 Ford truck years ago with a rowdy 406 sbc swapped in it. Truck had a mid 70s Camaro subframe grafted in, so it was easier to run a Chevy in it. Also had a T-400 and a narrowed 12-bolt GM rear from a 67 Impala with 4-88 gears & a spool. Truck was tubbed out with 15x14 Weld wheels on the rear, 15x3s on the front. It was a 80s Prostreet truck. Only Ford I ever owned besides my 96 Ranger. Well I did own a 98 Taurus SHO with the Yamaha 3.5L V8, but it was just a driver. Ran damn good tho.
I started with Pontiacs myself. Can't afford them anymore. I still have a 63 SD421 Catalina tucked away and a bunch of Pontiac engines too. Shits crazy expensive for them now. I raced a 67 Firebird for years with 400/428/455 Pontiac engines. Also had a 70 GTO and a few Gran Prix. Had a 85 G-body SJ Gran Prix I swapped a built 71 455 into. It was a beast. Also got into Oldsmobile and Buicks pretty deep for a while there. Had a 71 Buick Stage 1 455 GS and a 86 GN 3.8 Turbo. Bunch of Cutlass's too. I've owned over 200+ cars. Even had 1 mopar, a 71 Duster with a 440 swapped in it. Mostly build big and smallblock Chevys now, because of cost, parts availability, and they can make a shitload of horsepower. I'm not really loyal to any car company. They all can be built. Old cars anyway. No new cars past the mid 90s interest me.
I do want to swap a bigblock Chevy into a 2010 Camaro tho. I'm looking for a good body for cheap.
Seems to me all the real good heads for an sbc don’t have the middle ports to heat the intake wonder if there’s something to that lol
Yeah that was just emissions bullshit. Definitely not a good idea the heat up your intake haha! I guess the so called engineers were taking orders from an idiot.
The idiots in DC most likely.
We blocked them off back when they started that shit.
What is the purpose of miling heads
@@juniorwhelchel6337 raise the compression and roll over the valves a couple degrees. These been angle milled. Makes the chambers smaller.
Its really crazy how expensive and overpriced these old speed parts are these days. You could buy some really nice aluminum brodix,AFR,dart or pretty much any off the shelf performance head for the same or less than these old relics plus alot of the time these old heads have been hogged out, bolt holes stripped and usually need a bunch of work to get back in useable shape.. They were good for their time but now are only really good for a nostalgia build.
They still have their place, but extremely rare these days. Probably belong in a museum.
Seen a pair of NOS 292s not long ago. $2700 shipped. Never been bolted to a engine. Pretty steep.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 pretty much all the gm "performance" heads whether it be bowties, 292s,186, etc are all going for insane money. I actually have been looking for a set of useable stock 186 heads for an application specific build but i can never find a matching pair in useable shape and the only "decent" sets I can find are all $850+ which is ridiculous for a stock iron head especially since they also probably need more work done to be good.
They would have to be tubed and epoxied to reach the 300 cfm mark .
How many of these have you ported?
Ever heard of Joe Sherman?
It’s not a secret if you follow anyone that ports for super stock. Widmer,Meaux and Speier taught me enough to be dangerous without having a manometer or pitot tube.
@@JeremyFrazelle-or1mt I was building Superstock engines back in the 80s early 90s.
@@JeremyFrazelle-or1mt These particular heads flow 288 to 291cfm.
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Why do you talk with that deep mumble like a cowboy? And if you're so reluctant about being a gear head, why still do it..?
What is the purpose of miling heads
Raise the compression. More power.
Makes the chambers smaller.