GM Turbo thrift six cylinder engine family 194, 230, Pontiac 215, 250, 292
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- Today On what it’s like engine episode Wednesday General Motors Turbo thrift six-cylinder engine family displacement of 194, 230, Pontiac 215, 250, 292..
It is worth mentioning that Chevy did Lob off two cylinders and make a four-cylinder that used five main bearings That was 153 in.³ displacement.. And was used from 1962 to 1970 in the Chevy 2/nova series
Enjoy this episode =) 
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Haha congratulations you got it =)
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It's a fine motor. I wish it had stayed around and got a "LS" cylinder head.
There was a 153 four version.
My brother bought a 79 Nova brand new right outta high school with the 250. Nice looking, driving car. With the three speed auto and 2:56 rear end, it would hold first gear to 50 mph. Had the F41 police suspension. It was agile. He put a Clarion Stereo cassette player with the Sendust alloy heads first year he owned it. We nearly lost our hearing. Folks were always confusing him with the cops at night. What a ton of great memories.
You should feature the GMC truck in-line 6 cylinder, 7 main bearings, made in the thirties through the fifties. Once thought to be the best engines every built. They were used extensively in WWII vehicles. They are not the same as the ones called the Chevy stove bolt six. They are completely different, independent design.
Totally will thank you so much for that request =)
Very cool!
Thank you. Have a 194 in my 64 Chevelle with 28,200 original miles. Runs great , will outlive me for sure! 120 hp and I need them all !
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Heck yea man!! My 64 has the 194 aswell with 46k.. Runs like a dream.
Good engines. I recall doing a valve job on a 230 in a ‘63 Biscayne, and my bare bones basic 1969 Chevy half ton had the 250 and three-on-the-tree. My first wife’s ‘63 Bel Air wagon had a 283 (which I pulled and had rebuilt) and Powerglide. Miss that rig, though I don’t miss her.😉 Got a lot of work done with that little truck, still miss it.
Yeah I had a 68 Pontiac GTO. My ex-wife traded it on a AMC eagle. I sure miss that car. And yes I had a 65 Chevy pickup with a 230 . Bought it from a farmer friend who never changed oil. So I salvaged the best parts out of a 307 and the best parts out of the 230. Mixing and matching 2:30 and 3:07 rods and pistons. Ground down the least of the badly Worn lifters put a little camfer on them. New new rings bearings and gaskets and I drove it for several more years as a work truck. It was still running when I parked it
60’s had the best cars. When I was in school, one friend had a 64 Chevelle with 230 and Powerglide. I think that comes close to being the ultimate “kid-proof” car. @@tomstulc9143
My sister had a 78 Nova with a 250 she bought in 86! That was a great running and dependable car, easy to work on with more power than the anemic 4 bangers of the time ( also some V6’s)!
I owned a '69 Suburban with a 292 and three on the tree. the 292 was a very durable and reliable engine, smooth running with plenty of torque. I also owned a '71 Nova with a 250 and three on the tree, also a reliable car. Both vehicles never let me down. If they made them today, I would buy them in a heartbeat.
Awesome thank you so much for sharing your experience. =)
When I was a kid our new 60 passenger school bus had a 292 ,1970.
Had a ‘69 Chevy Nova 2 door with a 250 Turbo Thrift and a Powerglide BITD. Very reliable and plenty of power to push the little Nova body around. The only recurring problem was the intake manifold shoulder bolts occasionally loosening up and causing a rough idle due to vacuum leak. Once they were all tightened up that engine idled smooth as silk. It was susceptible to stalling out when going through puddles too fast because of the distributor location but it was easy to get going again.
Awesome thank you so much for sharing your experience =)
I was waiting for this episode to happen! Thank you very much for creating this video! I'm from Argentina 🇦🇷, and the 194, 230, and 250 were made here. They are revered as legends here, as there weren't any Chevrolet V8s made here, and the only Argentinian V8 was a lazy Ford F100 pickup unit (292 cubic inches), while the Argentinian Dodge GTX V8 coupe had imported 318 c.i. V8s. Inline 6 engines were our bread and butter, and those cars are considered muscle cars here. I own a 1966 Argentinian Chevrolet 400 Super (~= 1965 American Chevy II Nova 400 four door sedan), with the 230 inline 6, rated at 137 HP here, and a three on the tree manual transmission. My dad bought it in 1980, and it's over 400.000 kilometers now (250,000 miles). This I6s are still used for racing here, with Argentinian DOHC 24 valve heads, twin 2-barrel carburetors, 9000 RPM, 450 HP.
I hear you have done incredible things with the slant six and the Kaiser hemi 6
My take is the Chevy ll.The others are too heavy.Well,as you mention, these motors were popular in Brazil,mostly the 4 cilinder 153 ,which became the 151 done by GMB,(Iron Duke inherited the bore/stroke),anyways, the 250 is the Brazilian "Small Block" per se,with a great following to this day.And there is the 292 , that was made available to carry sugar cane on the plantations,always ethanol powdered...
I have a fuel injected 318 in my Jeep Grand Cherokee. That thing is surprisingly fast, but it drinks gas like a pig.
"...Argentinian DOHC 24 valve heads, twin 2-barrel carburetors, 9000 RPM, 450 HP." Where can I source this stuff, especially the head? Can you steer me to websites, or give me company names?
Also, I'm a big fan of Javier Gerardo Milei.
I had a '64 Biscayne with a 230 and a PowerGlide, and that was a nice-running car. That engine had the torque to offer competent acceleration and still get 20+ MPG highway.
I inherited (hand me down) a 64 Biscayne with the 230/powerglide. She used more oil than gas thanks to the bad rear main seal. The powerglide would stick in low gear until it warmed up (~2-5 miles). So I would scream it up to speed and coast it in neutral until the high band would work. Not exactly the dream car a teenager longed for in the 70's. I replaced the engine twice and tried to rebuild the transmission with 5 clutches/drive plates from the Corvette parts bin. My upgrades didn't work. So I took it to a mechanic who told me the last guy who worked on it (me) had some great parts but didn't have a clue what he was doing. It seems I torqued the valve body to 12 ft lbs instead of 12 inch lbs. So the valve body was seized up.😊😊
After the corrections that PG was bullet proof.
BTW - That Biscayne had over 500K when we junked it.
Had a 67 Chevy with a 250 and put 220,000 miles on it. Used a case of Valvoline every month . Finally found a low milage 250 and replaced it and it ran like a new car until it was hit head on. Most reliable car I've ever owned.
Wow thank you so much for sharing that story
The El Camino. Simple, practical, no absurdly expensive, non-user-friendly electronics to keep the car constantly down at the dealer, or repair shop. Make this car again and I'll go buy three of them NOW.
Interesting that the GMC 292 was also used in some JohnDeere Combines. I got one with very few hours on it and put it in my 1964 Jeep Wagoneer, that was a great combination. and very reliable.
Great information thank you so much for sharing that I didn’t know they put them in combines
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The 2.3 ford pinto engine that was used for industrial use was brought up to a 2.5 in the later 90s.
The 300-6 and the 460 turbo were used in alot of generator applications until about y2k.
These as a 6 Cylinder were very popular, reliable, good running engines. The 4 Cylinder 153 CID version was terrible. My uncle had a Chevy II with the 4 cylinder assigned to him for his work car, he was a salesman for General Foods coffee products (Maxwell House, Sanka) in the Southern Tier of NY State. It was way under powered, especially with the Powerglide 2 speed automatic.
As for some suggestions for your 'Engine Wednesdays' I have 2 of them, both the first USA made mass-produced overhead cam engines.
One is the 'Tornado' SOHC I-6 used in the first generation generation Jeep Wagoneer and Gladiator pick up and utility trucks (1962-1965, in US military Jeep made vehicles to 1969, in South America to the 1970's).
The 2nd is the Pontiac SOHC I-6 used in the smaller models (Tempest, Firebird). The Pontiac SOHC I -6 had some origins to the Chevy I-6 you discuss in this video.
You clearly do not have a clue what you're talking about. The Chevy II 4 cylinder was and still is a legendary engine. There are all sorts of speed parts available for them and they have been used in a very wide range of applications, from your grandma's daily driver, to marine and even stationary power plant service such as generators, sawmills, fire pumps, etc. They have also been used in just about every form of racing you can think of. If you can find one today, they bring good money. A complete one, in running condition, can bring as much as $1,000. FAR more than any of the other sixes this guy talked about.
here in Brasil that problem was solved by decreasing the CID from 153 to 151, it was used on Chevy Opala
I had several '67-'72 Chev trucks with the 292 I6 What a great engine. A lot of people didn't realize the importance of adjusting the lifters periodically (every few years) I would buy one running crappy, tune it up and adjust the lifters (including replacing the rocker nuts) and wham, I had a torque monster. I can't say enough good things about those engines, they're real work horses.
Pontiac Tempest
El Camino 👍
I had a 1962 Chevy 2 wagon kinda bouncy empty ???
Love them chevy 6's. That mule never got tired 😂 ✌️❤️
Happy Motoring
Definitely the Tempest and a Studebaker. A 1965-66 Hamilton-built Studebaker with a Chevy 6 is just the project I'd love for a Pontiac 230 OHC6 I have sitting on a stand.
That’s awesome Pontiac 230 is definitely going to get covered on here one day that is a very interesting engine..
I like your taste in cars!
My first car was a '77 Camaro with a 250 cid l6.I bought it used in 1980 for $3,000. I learned a lot tinkering with that engine. The biggest tinker was a in-vehicle valve job. I re-jetted the carb and tinkered with the idle circuit. This was all because I wasn't happy with idle smoothness and chalked it up to emissions modifications made at the factory to meet emerging EPA requirements.
Malaise era engines almost always had to be rejetted or adjust the metering rods to make them run right.
The Ford 300 inline six really woke up from using the non-smog metering rods and adjusting the height. I once had a Ford Fairmont with the 255 and it loved getting jets and metering rods from a pre-smog 302.
74 Chev Nova, here…
The Tempest had a different 250-6 4bbl configuration, with the OHC for added complexities.
The gear-drive timing was all I needed to know about Chevy's durability.
Seems I can't get into a V-8, OR an automatic transmission this late in life.
I do love my 63 Belair 4 door sedan with 230 1bbl, 3 on-the-tree. It just purrs at any rev. 💯
I had a 63 Bel Air mated to a 2 speed power glide ran great
Great engines for simplicity and durability. WYR: Chevy II and Bel Air for me. Essentially for the same reason as the engine, simple and durable. Thanks as always ~ Chuck
=) awesome choices chuck
We had a Holden engine [our RED motor] in 63 used up until MID/LATE 80'S , My family had a wagon with the 179 Ci engine, power was adequate but they had no low speed tractability like the old grey motor, get down too low in the revs and it would jerk and snatch forcing you to crunch back into non synchro first, this gear box cas basically a carry over from the old box and destroyed rear bearings regularly. when it got the US built [I think it was] 3 speed all synchro 3 on the tree, probably was the base box for the US models, it made a huge difference.
The first engine I helped dad rebuild was a 250 I was 12
Awesome =) what did you put it in
The 250 was a great engine. My folks had a 1965 Biscayne. Dad hardly ever took it to the garage for anything.
The 250 was so common in the 70's. I did tune ups and oil changes on so many when I worked at gas stations and tire dealers. I wonder what the most common engine was in the US in the 70's? My guess would be the Chevy 350. Does anyone know? WYR 1965 Tempest and El Camino. I'd like to see Pontiac 250 OHC 6, Ford 351 Cleveland and Continental Red Seal 226 "Supersonic" engine episodes.
Tempest and the Stude. I'd love to own a Stude. My heart is with Ford, but also with the orphans.
Have 2 of the 250s in my boat. Absolutely outstanding engines. And their sound is absolutely incredible.
I was told They are bullet proof . I HAVE A 250 165 HP in the boat I'm restoring . Question how are they on fuel per hour ?
I bought a 1967 Chevy C-10 panel truck in 1979 for $500. Had 135k on the OD using the 250 and 3 on the tree that wouldn't go inyo gear. I knew the cause so fixed it with grease before driving it home. I met the original owner a few months later that said it 235k of use. I managed to place another 85k on the OD before it got totaled in a wreck. The 250 would get 22 to 26 mpg's on the highway when cruising overloaded at 55 mph. I'd like to replace the 5.7L in my '88 Chevy G30 with a 250 coupled to a R700 4 to get better mpg's and have more room to work on the motor.
Hi Jay!: Another superior engine episode! The inline six gets kind of forgotten about and overshadowed by all the POWERFUL V-8's over the years. But they were important parts of automotive history! They were THE bread and butter of Chevrolet from the late 1920's to 1955! The first corvettes were 6 cylinder only. WYR#1 I like that little Nova wagon! COOL! #2 Though that '67 ElCamino is HOT! I'm going 1966 Studebaker on this one, primarily since I drove one with the 6 cylinder Chevy/GM engine in it. (Should have bought that one!!)
The GM inline six cylinder engines are fun to build and drive and anything in between
My parents bought a 1965 Bel Air with a 230 six and for a full size car even with five or six people in it the car did surprisingly well. It was a great car except for the rust that made him trade it for a 1968 Chevelle with a 307. Yes, I know but it was a good family car that had 148,000 miles on it when he traded it in for his first non Chevy. a 1973 Ambassador.
I still have my grandma's 1964 Chevy BelAir station wagon stored in a dark garage in the Los Angeles area. It has a 283 V-8 Powerglide, bench seats with original factory clear seat covers, and has less than 36,000 original miles on it. It's light metallic blue and we watched it come off the assembly line at the Chevy Van Nuys Assembly Plant.
Actually, I do have a 1964 Nova Station Wagon, with a 230-horse built 250 cube six cylinder engine, 5 speed trans, disc brakes, 4 bbl carb, headers, and electronic ignition. Sweet car.
That car sounds awesome
I had a 1978 Camaro with the 250 straight 6. Indestructible engine. And the light weight made that Camaro handle great
I have a 1964 Chevy Nova Station Wagon that I have made several upgrades to. It now has a 250 straight six engine with 4 barrel carb, headers, electronic ignition, and puts out 230.2 hp at 5500 rpm, and is coupled with a 5 speed trans and disc brakes. It is still a work in progress, but all the mechanical things have been done.
Sounds like you have an awesome wagon =)
We had a 1963 Chevrolet Nova SS with a 230 cid inline 6 and we had a 1969 Chevrolet Nova with a 250 cid inline 6.
65 Tempest
67 El Camino
I had the unfortunate luck to drive a 63 full size Chevy Biscayne 4 door sedan with the 230 sixer and a power glide for two years back in 69.
I say unfortunate because it was the most uncool car ever for a 17-year-old kid to be driving. Dark red metallic paint with a god awful bright red interior.
You didn't need a sign on it that said "I'm driving Mom's car" just looking at a young teenage kid driving that stodgy ugly sedan said it all.
In it's defense I will say that it was a solid reliable car. That said, on a scale of 1 to 10 for cool factor, it was a minus 4. Especially since the car I had previously been driving was my 62 Buick Invicta ragtop which was a far cooler car for a teenager to drive.
Since we were moving from Michigan to Arizona in August of '69 my dad felt that the Chevy would be a more solid and reliable car to drive across the country than my Buick.
There was also the fact that my Buick had a 401 nailhead and did not get as good of gas mileage as the Chevy did. So the Buick went bye bye.
But all ended well as I was able to trade the Chevy in on a nice 67 Dodge Coronet RT. That definitely had the cool factor that a kid wanted. LOL
Would love
to have owned el camino. But had 82 ' C10 250 6 banger, 4 speed w/ low 1st gear. No ac no radio. Drove for 26 yrs. Best truck ever. Still miss her. 😢
Awesome Facebook marketplace is a good place to look it’s never too late..
Just sold my 65 Chevy G10 with a three on the tree and straight six, it clicked along like a sewing machine and the torque was through the roof
I would love to see a video on the 396,427(especially the L-88), and the 454, plus Cadillac 500c.i., and Ford's 429.
Awesome I’ll add those to the list =)
First question; Pontiac is my favorite. Second question El Comino. Third question; I'd like to hear more about the over head cam in the 60s Pontiac. Thanks for an informative video.
Great choices and you bet I guess I could’ve included that one on this engine family I didn’t realize that they shared as much as they do but it will definitely be featured one day
In Aus, the 292 cu in ( amongst other engines )was found in the last TK Bedford trucks to come into the country. A mate had one as a small articulated tanker ( which grossed about 16T , from memory ) for water deliveries. It was reliable, but amazingly slow when loaded. A 5 speed with 2 speed diff transferred the power, and the first three ( 6 ) gears got a heck of a workout. As folk in cars and other trucks passed you, generally you would get a wave and a sympathetic look.🐌🐌
You sure it wasn't a Holden 202?
@@triggeredleftyvegan6004 100% . There were two versions available. The Mexican and Canadian build versions. The Mexican build was Chevy Orange as in the video, and the Canadian build was a blue, similar to the blue GMH used for their later build 173 and 202 engines. Some 173’s and 202’s found their way into the CF Bedford vans, for Aus. Late in the TK run, you could option a 253 or 308 cu in V8, from GMH, and there were many of these done privately also. Yes, the Holden sixes were a similar looking engine, but there were differences like sideplates, starter being on the LHS when viewed from front for the 292, and the RHS for the 202. Other engines TK's used were Bedford's 214 and 300 petrol sixes, and 330, 466 and 500 diesels and GM6V53 2 strokes. Also, 400 Leylands were used.
It's very difficult, the Pontiac or the Skylark, or the El Camino... I cant decide... The straight six engines are the BEST! Shame they are deemed "unworthy" in most of American soil. In Brazil the 250 is a Legendary engine, some rare cases even make up to 1000, and one or two make almost 2000hp's!!!! Impressive things!
Back in the day we would remove 6’s for 283, 327 or 350 and ditch the powerglide .. we lived close to an auto wreckers… good times
Still have my 63 C-10 with the original 230 and an SM420 in it. She never disappoints.
The 250 integral heads were always cracked in the combustion chambers. They were always a problem.
Three heads I hated working on, the slant six and the 250 integral head were heavy and like wrestling a bear in the glass bead booth. The ford 170/200 and the 250 integral head were a pain in the tail to get all the carbon buildup in the intake out. You just couldn't see it or get to it.
Thank you so much for that information I was looking for that information everywhere on the Internet and I could not find a source that said that I’ve heard people say that you have to watch out for those engines after 1975 because of that issue
The II and the Belair, for sure.
I already have a 64 Chevy II sedan with a 194, and I had 63 Impala a long time ago, 283 though.
Liked the 292 in a Pontiac 73 tempest,3 in the floor.wish i still had it.
The best place to look for a 292 is a farm . Old irrigation motors had high compression pistons for natural gas.
I had the 250 in my old 1977 Crestliner boat. It was know as the Mercruiser 165.
One of the most dependable marine engines at 165hp. Unleaded fuel killed a lot of heads but with hardened seat many of these are still fishing fun.
Awesome =)
Harden seats please explain, I'm restoring a boat with a 250 165 hp motor .
@@fragilelivesbrokendreams3074 the engines were of the “leaded” fuel era. Unleaded fuel causes valve seat recession in the cylinder head. Lead Additives help(for a while) but a reliable machine shop can re-work the head. Search “valve seat recession”
Valve seat recession in engines that were designed to run on leaded fuel.@@fragilelivesbrokendreams3074 search
@@fragilelivesbrokendreams3074 search “Valve seat Recession” it happen with engines design to run on leaded fuel. Additives help (for a while) eventually the cylinder head will need work.
The Blitz ! Love that band. Skylark and Camino. Mopars slant six,(hyperpac too)Buick straight 8,GMC TwinSix,Ihc semi Hemi V8s,Chrysler flathead 6,Chrysler LA V8s ,Detroit 2stroke diesels.
I had a 75 Pontiac Ventura 2-door, 250 integral head 6, 3-on-the-tree, 2.56 rear, no A/C, no radio, no power steering or power brakes. For whatever reason, it had the identical suspension set-up to the Police Nova (STIFF springs, big front sway bar plus a rear sway bar - cornered flat as heck). My dad's car that he bought new, I learned to drive on it and took my driving test on it at 16. I bought the it from him my senior year of college. My brothers and I used to beat the crap out of that car, and we always thought we were flirting with redline, until I install installed a tach (Heathkit) and found we never had gone past 4500 rpm (engine sounded like parts wanted to jump off above 4200 or so). I kept it tuned to the ragged edge, and even put a JC Whitney water injection kit on the 1 bbl carb to allow a little more timing advance. At 130K miles, I got a deal on a 71 Chevy 250 with about 25K miles and swapped the engines, keeping the bigger 1 bbl and the HEI distributor from the 75. The 71 engine needed a bit more initial timing than the 75 to run well, and didn't have the low end grunt of the 75, but it certainly revved better (not necessary higher) than the 75. Perhaps GM changed the cam timing on the later smog engines to move the torque band lower. On the highway, that car would easily get 28 mpg cruising at 70-75 mph. I was so sorry to have to trade the car in when the rust/other issues and limited resources forced my hand. I occasionally check the used car listings online looking for a similar creampuff...
Thank you so much for sharing your experience
292, 75 Bedford Trucks here in Oz. Bore is 3 875" They use the same lifters, rockers, rings, bearings, Valves etc as a [307] SBC. I have rebuilt one
WYR the Buick for it's style and the El Camino since I love "utes" as the Aussies call them. Though overshadowed by the SBC V8, this Chevy 6 was simply a plain, long-lived, rugged, and reliable engine giving up nothing to the similar engines from the competition. Folks today might not realize how popular the 6-cylinders were back in the 60's when traffic was slower giving all the power you needed for driving in town or on the highway. Even before the oil-crisis times fuel economy was an issue with many people and these Chevy engines delivered more of that than the Fords and Chryslers did. The vast majority of Checker Marathon taxi's had these, and many saw use of 250K miles and beyond which was superb back then. And of Ford's line-up sixes, only the 240 and 300 were suitable for heavy commercial use while all of these Chevy's were put to that use with great results. Being the 'quirky' sort of person I've always wanted an early 30's Chevy roadster with a 6 instead of the all-too-common "Deuce coupes" with a V8. Shiploads of Australian go-fast goodies were made for these engines; it was a smashing success there!
GM introduced these 4 and 6 cylinders around 68 in Brazil to power up a line of cars and pick-up trucks. Due to its reliability many other manufacturers such as forklift makers employed the power units to run LPG in their models. Eventually, during the 80s one could choose a car to run on gas or pure ethanol and by that time the 6 cylinder version had its capacity increased up to 250. The main racing series in the country would also run the larger version in a single type car/engine configuration for many years. The naturally aspirated racing specs would run very reliably on compression ratios of 12/1 on ethanol producing in excess of 450hp.
Ford 300 cu. in. 6 gets all the love but the 292 Chevy was a beast!!!
I really want to one day by four of the bulletproof six cylinders AMC 232, Ford 300,Chevy 292, Chrysler 225 slant six drain all of the oil out of them. These are gonna be junkyard engines anyway, and see which one last the longest.
@@What.its.like.that would be the dumbest test ever.
Excellent engines every one , had a 230 and a 250 . I had a 292 in a walk-in van , the best i could get out of it around town was 9 MPG .
That’s the only downer about the 292 they’re bulletproof but they don’t get very good gas mileage
The 250 didn't get good milege either. Swapped out the 250 in my 67 camaro for a 283 and the milege went from16 to 20 mpg.@@What.its.like.
Grandpa was a Chevy man and his last car was a new 1969 Chevy Nova: red with black vinyl top, 250 paired with the aluminum Powerglide 2 speed automatic transmission. I had just got my license and was elated to take that beautiful car out for an unsupervised test ride. Previous cars with the Powerglide had left me unimpressed, but the lightweight Nova was much more responsive coupled with the high torque 6. I could easily spin the rear tires from a stoplight launch. Grandpa actually put a couple #50 sand bags in the trunk to reduce wheelspin on slick city streets in Seattle. Years later I had a neighbor who built a 10 second drag car out of a 350 Nova that also ran the Powerglide. Those transmissions could handle 1000 horsepower, at least for a few runs. Impressive.
Thank you for sharing those memories =)
I'll never forget the sound of the 194. It responded dutifully if unimpressively to the throttle, along with a little carburetor throatiness.
The 153 in³ 4 cylinder was apparently derived from the 230 cubic inch 6 cylinder, not from the 194 cubic inch 6. The four-cylinder might be a little underpowered but with a manual transmission I bet it was a pretty thrifty commuter.
Thank you so much for that correction =)
It didn't deliver on promises of fuel economy or performance; only longevity.
@@P_RO_ Yeah, I've heard stories of v8 novas getting better gas mileage than I4 novas did, especially if they had the powerglide behind the 4. It was just so underpowered the driver had to run it at half throttle or more just to get around.
The Chevy 4 cylinder was put in many small boats and worked quite well. We had one with a Mercruiser stern drive.
The 292,was a great engine in a low RPM application,like a C-60 for lugging hi torque load pulling power,in particular with a steel crankshaft which they used for the first three years of it's life.
The one thing,I was not in love with was when you reved it in was not the smoothest,and it sounded like it was digesting it self. The newer 292s had a tendency to blow up real good,and ventilate a block.
Awesome information. Thank you so much for sharing all of that insight as well.
@@What.its.like. Thank you,you keep up the great work, which I always look forward to, and I will toss in my unnecessary thoughts.
All ways a pleasure.
Chevy II, wagon, please. Studebaker (seems appropriate). Did you know you could order an Impala SS with a Six?
I had a 78 Camaro with a 250 cid staight 6. I loved that car.
I would select the1964 Chevy II Nova, as that was the first car I rode in. Coming home from the hospital after being born. My family would later trade it in on a 1968 C-10 CST pickup truck which got a Six-Pac camper installed. Better for the annual cross country vacation trips to visit family.
Sweet choice =)
A friend of mine had a 63 Bel Air wagon 6 cylinder 3 on a tree great car lots of memories
=)
I have a 66 GMC I1000 pickup with the 250. That was supposedly the first vehicle that got the 250. I love that engine. It's a very snappy engine. If you get on it, it will throw you back into the seat even with the 4 speed manual 420 that it came with. It's a horribly fun truck to drive.
In scenario 1, I'd pick the Chevy II/Nova. In scenario 2 I'd probably go with the El Camino.
Had several and they were very reliable. The only downside is they got the same mileage as a small block GM V8 with a 2 barrel which was more driveable.
I want to build a 250 or 292 and put triple Weber side draft carburetors on with a big cam
My scenario actually was a 1962 Chevy 2 Nova but with a 1969 250. I bought it from someone who advertised it all original but later I discovered it wasn’t all original but I wasn’t really disappointed in having a 250 over having a 194.
I liked the straight six engines . I wish they would bring them back.
I have a 250 in my 69 C10 that is from a 71 Nova I used to commute in until it got to rusty. Engine has been running great for over 23 years since I have had it. The only issue I had was the composite cam gear failed when I took it on the highway at 70 MPH a few years ago. Not a hard fix. I also rebuilt a 194 for my Chevy II back in the late 90's, I haven't driven it for years but my mother says it still runs like a sewing machine. Currently rebuilding a 235 for a 55 Chevy, even though it's full oil pressure, has nothing on these engines.
I had a '73 Nova with the 250 six,three speed on the floor,no power steering or brakes,but with dual sport mirrors plus rally wheels with trim rings.Have never found another one like it.
Sweet =)
I had a bunch of 250 HO motors I used in racing cars(dirt oval) I also got my hands on a rusted 230 motor that I had punched out to a 4" bore flat top forged 350 plugs, 407 forged 250 crank, 2,02 & 1,64 valves, mild ground cam and a standard intake with a Webber 40 carbon a branch and HEI dizzy. Never had it on a dyno but that thing was a beast had a 3 speed manual tranny and spun the wheels in third on the track if I was even slightly aggressive. Body was a "68 Holden Special wagon.
My brother had a daily driver a South African Ranger SS that came with the HO 153 motor that was balanced and ran a standard Webber 36 carb and standard points dizzy. It was good for about 120 mph.
We also had the 131 variant of the 153 and some Brazilian variants if the 153 and 230/250 motors in South Africa. They were down on power and reliability over the US engines.
The 250 and 292 shared the same bore size of 3.875" or 98.4mm, with a 3.53" and 4.125" stroke respectively.
Thank you for that correction I got bad information which happens a lot
Turbo thrift -thats when your thrifty and save the money by not putting on the turbo
What do you think about doing a transmission series with the same type format as your engine series? Use some of the legends at first like the M-22 or the powerglide, including some of the original cars where they were found then go on to where they’re favored. I see the this being a down the road series because you’re killing it with your current content
That’s a really good idea other people have also asked about that we might get to a point where we do transmission episodes.. not sure tho
@@What.its.like. I think an occasional Transmission episode would be good, but TBH they're not as glamorous as what you do now. Some would be tough research; for instance the GM TurboHydramatic 350 which went into a huge number of non-GM cars worldwide.
The Hydra Matic would be the one that would be the biggest headache
So many different variants
@@What.its.like. I agree with that. But also like when you say a 350CI Chevrolet has a 3.5 inch stroke when its 3.480 inch, the minor variations are all that differentiates the variations. Hard parts such as planetary gears and clutch packs are common. I was more so thinking about this example. The GM Turbohydromatic 350 trans was developed as a more modern and cost effective everyday workhorse option to the vulnerable 2 speed powerglide. This same basic architecture with a overdrive planetary added is what would later become the 700R4 and later the 4L60E. GM would follow this design ethos with other transmissions. The TH350 was a 3 speed non-overdrive transmission with first gear being a ratio of ..,… in 19?? A lockup torque converter was added…….. Still though I admit transmissions arent as glamorous as engines but the engine selection in your content is pretty deep. It attracts people who would interested in the high points of different types of transmissions. IMO
Keep up the good work you funny looking buggar😅
Haha
@@What.its.like. I'm only joking around lm probably jealous of your knowledge
Nova, El Camino
Sweet choices =)
Great, so the 230 has respectable specs, noice!
Pontiac would take this engine and extensively redesign it into the Pontiac 230 (1966-67, 165 hp) and 250 (1968-69, 175 hp) Overhead Cam 6, including high performance 'Sprint' versions with up to 230 hp same bore x stroke as the Chevy 230 and 250. It had been intended to use in SCCA racing before they raised the displacement limit, and the bottom end is much sturdier. Chevy didn't like Buick and Pontiac having their own 6 cylinder engines even though the Pontiac was based on the Chevy, and went ***whining*** to GM Corporate to be the "corporate 6 cylinder". The Buick 225 V6 was sold tooling and all to Kaiser-Jeep, and the patents for the Pontiac OHC6 were sold to the highest bidder, Mercedes-Benz. The Ford "Lima" 2.0L/2.3L engine design copied a lot of the OHC6 design and was in production for many years. After AMC bought Jeep and converted all Jeeps to AMC engines in 1972 the V6 went back on the shelf. The first oil embargo of 1973 was all the reason Buick needed to buy it back, increase the bore to be common with their 350 making it a 231 CID V6. The Pontiac OHC6 was gone forever. What might have been? Apparently Pontiac already had plans to increase displacement to 265 CID in the early 1970's and make it the base engine in the Catalina, and John Sawruk, chief engineer of the Iron Duke 4 cylinder, said that they really missed the OHC6 when developing the Iron Duke. It would have been an OHC4, and a much better engine than what they had to work with. Any time Chevy engineering couldn't compete head-to-head (which was most of the time) they went ***whining*** to GM Corporate to get their way. And GM as a whole suffered for it.
Well ALL of Chevy's straight 6's were better engines than those retarded ass Buick V6 piles of shit of the same era. You make valid points vs the Pontiac OHC comparison though 👍
The Studebaker in the which would you rather is a 1964 or a 1965 definitely not a 1966. Check the grill and have a happy New Year!
It would be a tough decision between the Tempest and Skylark, and would definitely pick the El Camino.
PONTIAC by far !
But I'm a Pontiac fan for years !
Damn shame to see them go away in my lifetime !
1) 1964 Chevy Nova wagon 2) 1963 Chevy Belair (but that Studebaker is really nice and a look around the interiors could easily change my thinking. And somebody beat me to the song. I really for some strange reason like that song and the oddball video
=) great choices
Sweet Ballroom Blitz
Oh yeah
John Boyd beat you for title
@@What.its.like. I saw when I refreshed the page. We had a 67 Chevelle 300 and 75 Nova with the 250 and 63 ChevyII Nova, probably with the 194.
Didn’t realize before but as the note spacing on these sixes is the same as the small blocks. Wonder if anyone has thought to weld up a couple of V-8 heads to have a cross flow like I’ve seen some some have done with Ford 300s and Cleveland heads?
My late granddad loved those Chevy sixes. Bought them used and drove them stock. He had a 67 Impala with a 250/3 speed that I got some driving lessons in. He’d also acquired a 70 Nova 2 door 230/Powerglide as a spare car while he was dropping a different 250 in the Impala. I was with him when he’d bought the replacement 250 from a guy pulling it from a 72-73 Nova that was getting a small block. It had the one piece head-intake manifold. For some reason since I’d thought Chevrolet had starting using that modification earlier than 75. Now I realize that the Nova might have already been on its second motor. He had finally dropped a 230/Powerglide in a 66 Caprice just before he passed. My other granddad and an uncle had bought brand new 79 C10s with the 250/TH350. They had two barrel carbs that Chevrolet advertised as half Q-Jets and split exhaust manifolds. Because of the smog equipment, I couldn’t say whether they were any more powerful than a good running 67 250. What I do know is that the motors on either truck didn’t last much over 60k miles. Nevertheless, the turbo thrift sixes in early form were good motors and wish we still had them.
Ballroom Blitz- Sweet
A very reliable engine series from my experience. Hopefully you'll do a engine episode on the Ford small block 221, 260, 289, 302 that lasted for 40 years?
Definitely will I’m pretty sure this engine episode coming up this week is going to be on the Duesenberg model J.. i’ve been kicking that one around for a little while figured will start the year off strong =)
Here in Brazil people are putting 2000-2500hp on these Chevy 250...
15,36,24, too young, too old, just right!
Engineers designed this family of six cylinders to use parts from the small block V8 such as pistons, valves, springs, rocker arms, bearings and possibly more and then the bean counters stepped in. It became a lackluster engine quickly. The 250 was way better than the 230 for highway performance and in 67, coupling it to the Saginaw fully synchronized 3 speed transmission was a major improvement over earlier years. Too bad they didn't improve on cylinder head design. Siamesed ports are just horrible for performance versus individual runners. The best 6 GM ever unleashed on the public was the Pontiac OHC six. Because of lifter design, oil changes needed to be shortened with the oils sold to the public back then. The lifter was actually a hydraulic adjuster and the Pinto 4 cylincer OHC also used a simiar set up. If oil was not changed, the lifters would gum up and then the rocker would start to tap and make noise. New liftes/adjusters would fix it without doing multiple oil changes with crankcase addiitives of the day. Additives should never be put into oil as it can upset the chemistry and do harm. Labels are made to sell snake oil.
I'd rather drive my 1977 slant 6 chevrolet caprice with a 250 cui engine. That thing is indestructable 😁
Mom had a 79nova 6 auto . always had emissions and idling problems. she drove it till in her 90s .not great on gas mileage vs .today's cars .
Thank you so much for sharing, did your mom buy a new in 79 I remember that’s what my grandparents used to do all the time if they would buy a car it would last 10-15 years and then they buy another car
@@What.its.like. low mileage maybe 2 yrs old dad had a small amc wagon think maybe hornet like an eagle in later years
If mentioning the last generation of the Chevrolet OHV inline six the Pontiac OHC version should be brought up. The OHC used the block of the OHV engine as its starting point.
Going to definitely cover that engine one day
I find it curious that the first stove bolt 6 was a 194. They worked up to a 235 in the early 50s. Then they come out with the new design and go back to a 194 and start working their way up again. Why?
All companies do that with all of their different variations Start off small and then offer a bigger version as time progresses
the 1964 Nova I had a 63 with the 194 and a 67 with the 250 and a 72 that one had a 307-V8 they all had powerglide transmissions
Was the 4 cylinder version the beginning of the "Iron Duke" ?
I think most of the entry level Buicks used the 225 cubic inch shaker V6 which was supposed to have more power than the 230 Chevrolet 6 although the Chev. ran much more smoothly
I understand that these Chev. inline sixes needed to have their cylinder head bolts retorqued at least once in the life of the engine or antifreeze/coolant would eventually get into the oil or combustion chambers and ruin the engine
I worked in machine shops late 70's early 80's and I don't remember seeing many if any of the 4cyls. But I had always thought the iron duke was an updated version of the Nova 4. Apparently they are not but they sure look close. If I'm not mistaken the both have the Chevy bell housing bolt pattern and depending on what model car it was in used a similar water pump. Internals might have used chevy rods and rockers but not really sure about that.
Both were strong good running engines used in multiple applications.
@@edmundanderson657The Iron Duke was a Pontiac engine and DID NOT have the standard Chevrolet bellhousing pattern. The older Chevy 4cyl did have the Chevy bellhousing pattern, and was used in boats through the 2000's
Common mix up. No, the Iron Duke was a Pontiac engine designed in the late 70's
That 292 was a great truck engine. Lots of torque at low RPM.
I’ve heard they are bullet proof
"Would you rather " 1: Chevy II would be my choice.
"Would you rather" 2: The Studebaker with the 230, though the Checker Marathon would certainly draw some interest on cruise night.
Chevy II (nova) and the Bel Air... but not the wagon versions of either. I have a few of these engines... they're not as good as the v8s that chevy offered, but they're good, reliable and can be surprisingly fuel efficient.
Had a '87 camaro with a 250 six. Got terrible gas millege for a six, about 18mpg. Swapped out the 250 for a 283 V8. Much more power and the milege went up to 20mpg. My brother had a '67 nova with a 250 six. It also got less than impressive gas milege. Why did the 250 six get so crappy gas milege?
That’s crazy I too always wondered why it talked more gas to run an in line 6