Space Marine 2 is a reminder of what we lost
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when it comes to lore content, would advise you towards luetin09 - assuming you can survive 2hr videos.
also, the stuff mentioned at the start is the average SM player (unless it's a cheesedick build, then it's more like the Orks on tabletop meme).
It's not that it's heresy, alone, but there's a fcking war going on and they had a job to do. Titus understood that very well and his fire team followed his lead.
i think games like re4 remake was also a throwback i stil think there is games that feel like games from the xbox 360 time
most media these days would rather have characters talk about their feeling and tragic backstories which lead to them getting this job, instead of actually doing their job.
a treasure-hunter can be shown actually reading a map and following clues but instead he has to grumble about his childhood bullies.
Perfect shirt for this video 🤘
Plot of space marine 2:
You are a Superhuman design to kill the enemy of mankind
Objective: Kill
This is all we want in a game like this
Well actchually it's a character driven story about a squad of goobers who don't like each other coming around to supporting each other without question
@@jacksonmanitoulinisland I mean that works too. A group of men who hate each other, but through hardship and overcoming obstacles, they learn to become brothers in arms.
Still something you don't see as much these days.
Sub Objective: Talk of Killing
Rise brothers! For the Empire needs your rage and steel!
Wow a fun game about platonic brothers fighting a common evil with fun gameplay and story, that respects the lore and univsere? Well sign me the fuck up
Its so on point that i only 3 hours into the game noticed that your squad as a black guy and an asian guy in it.
Perfect execution of the story feeling 👍
@@DJRaffa1000 helmet players ftw
@DJRaffa1000 in lore physical appearance matters little, as long as you're the appropriate human gene variation. Space Marines are even more tolerant for recruitment baselines. Geneseed like the Blood Angels can turn even the most mutated humans into pristine Adonis figures, if you can survive the implantation process. Lot of Ultramarines fans, who claim knowledge of Rome, forget Rome had trade deals with Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, so there is room for hereditary variation. Raven Guard geneseed would cause Albinism, while Salamander Geneseed causes Melanism when exposed to Nocturne's sun.
@Doku71 americans have rules where there has to be africans in all media and then all reasoning can work backwards from there
@@cr0mag732 have you ever played Warhammer or interacted with it in a meaningful way or are you trying to grift in the comment section of a game you have no real conception of
“They call me the hero of Helsreach.. as if there was only one.”
-Chaplain Grimaldus
hmm, he sound like a humble guy 😅
damn right in the feels...
That one guardsman who'll likely never see the woman of his dreams again as it's sorta implied she died.
On God, man was like the only survivor with Grimaldus so I'd consider him the most lucky unlucky man of all time.
@@CrusaderCrunch But he only had a headache, and it got better?
I HAVE DUG MY GRAVE IN THIS PLACE. I WILL TRIUMPH, OR DIE!!!
Space Marine 2 feels like and plays like, a video game. It doesn't feel like a giant ad for microtransactions, it feels like a video game.
Everybody says its basically an Xbox 360 game, but with S tier graphics.
Its really good. I wish there was a whole ahh movie. We need to get Denis Villaneuve making a 40k movie similar to how he made the Dune movies
@@honkhonk8009 it feels like an older game because older games were actually games would be my reply. too much politics and greed in gaming nowadays
@@honkhonk8009 Absolutely!
@@honkhonk8009like it should be
@@terkoisblu4116saying there's too much politics in games nowadays is the biggest cope ever but otherwise you're 100% right
Space Marine its not a reminder of what we lost, instead is a spark of hope that not everything is lost. Good games still come out.
Oh yes, all the doom and gloom youtubers are overdramatic. Space Marine 2, Helldivers 2, Baldur's Gate 3 are just some examples that we're not even close to a crisis in the video game industry.
We're evolving it, this is merely the transition period 😊
@@kapitan19969838 This here. People tend to forget that, even in the peak, for every Halo, there was 10 other trash games.
Each generation thinks they are the end and it will continue to be that way for years to come.
Bro we get more good games per year now than ever before. Its just that the sheer volume of games being released every year is so high that a majority of them are bound to be bad. People just need to stop paying the companies before a product is made and wait for reviews and only buy things with good reviews.
The whole time, I was like "what do you mean we lost? i can just hop on Vermintide 2 right now and kill some rats with some randoms for a few hours"
good games will always come out, but good games with these themes and feel? this might be the last one
"We hold this ground in the name of the Primarch... If we die, we die with vengeance on our lips!" Best campaign moment in my book.
VENGEANCE.
I have a feeling that spacemarine comrades will just repeat whatever bullshit we say and that's such a dude thing to do. I missed this shit man, shit I missed high school.
Definitely the best moment. Followed close second by the massive table-top-esq battle just afterwards.
For Ultramar! (what I yelled at that moment)
@TheTickyTickyTicky Honestly, the line is pretty thought out for the moment it takes place in. Titus just walks into the battle, the chapter banner is lying on the ground, and half the space marrines there are dead. On top of that, they are fighting longtime traitors to the empire and can't pull out because of the strategic importance of the planet. He says the line to rally them for what might be their last fight.
mine it's the Cadian speech. they are normal Joe and jane fighting horror and odd that will terrorize everyone! ohh god.
"I can stop at any time......."
-As an avid 40k collector.
You'll have a Pile of Shame before you know it.
Oww i dont have that issue. The trick is... just be poor xD
@@illianias Until you discover recast and 3d printing and now you have a growing pile of unpainted resin.
@@quangnguyentrung647 need money for a printer tho xD
*ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!*
Even after I stopped buying minis whenever I still have unpainted ones, the only way I got rid of my pile of shame was by selling off my entire collection.
Damn, the game is hitting like a truck. This... this is what we need. People, let the blessing of the Emperor light our path to glory, we will reclaim gaming.
Until space marine 3 stars female custodes😂😂😂
We just need a big PVP update and ill be happy. Very barebones
@@uvmedia2550 black trans grossly obese space marines (they/them) :D
@@uvmedia2550 heresy
Gamers want NO MORE WOKE. That's it.
People keep calling it short, forgetting some of the most OG goats of the shooter genre are around the same length. People have become so conditioned to think games need to be 100 hour+ slogs that you can play forever.
It's a godsend for people like me with a family and a full time job. I can actually finish the game.
We need shorter games
Honestly, it's the type of game where you actually hope for a story DLC
Well to an extent it's understandable. I always hope for such linear games to be around 12 to 15 hours. My favourites for length are Bioshock series and Dishonored. Games shorter than that can feel very short so in some way I see the point. 60 dollars for a 9 hours game can feel like a weak deal for most people. I wish for more games of this length around a price tag of 45 to 50, but games are expensive to make, that's understandable.
But in the end if money is no issue I would always prefer a shorter but awesome experience over any Ubisoft open world game
@@MattznickFor sure! Tho I would prefer games around 15 hours and in some cases 20 hours. 9 hours tho for 60 dollars can feel a bit too short imo
I am happy to hear that non-40k fans can easily enjoy and appreciate this game.
For us 40k enthusiasts, this game is like a gift. The story is built on the previous Space Marine. It also includes mainline canon characters, such as Marneus Calgar and Tigurius, as an integral part of the story. Most of the time it would be easier to just make up a new storyline that occurs within a small, distant pocket of events.
And of course the atmosphere and feel: they nailed it. The 40k universe and how it feels to be an Astartes.
Dude its so sweet to see all these people getting into the lore now, i just took my buddy to the store and he got a combat patrol of black templars. It feels like Warhammer is finally getting the flowers it has always deserved.
Tigurius doesnt show up at all
@@leonidaspereirafilho499 oh, i must've misread that. I read somewhere on the internet, it was tigurius the one who reached into the warp and brought titus back from oblivion, which is why the rubicon surgery was a success. Must've been just speculation.
Felt like 2010s again, where I dont even have to log in and play a game everyday just for some log in bonus. This game felt like a hobby as a game should be
Gaming should be fun, not a second job when you get home
THIS!!!!!
I did that for a year or so with Genshin, and Warframe some years before it, and now I think I'm just immune to interest in anything vaguely *that* model. Inventory bloat, currency crap, loads to keep track of (and forget when you take a long break)
Had a friend getting into First descendant and just sounds like a nope... And yet he's not even rank 20 on Helldivers 2. Like why bro, one game is obviously better and more respectful of your time without gear grind padding...
"My leg is gone, brother." Metal AF.
And he delivered it as if it was an inconvenience. And the brother was like "Brother wtf are you sitting for? Get up!"
Tharius, noooo~ 😢
"By God, sir, I've lost my leg."
"By God, sir, so you have."
The Earl of Uxbridge and the Duke of Wellington at the end of the Battle of Waterloo.
BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE. BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE.
He doesn't die right...
Its almost poetic, gaming for so long has strayed in the direction of obscurity, and now the game to start reeling us back is a Warhammer game. The Emperor himself holds onto the Astronomicon so that his people can always find their way home, the gaming industry never left, it just got lost, and now the Emperors divine light guides it home.
The Emperor Protects
absolutely poetic! FOR THE EMPEROR!
THE EMPOERER PROTECTS
The Emperor shields and protects.
The emperor protects, brothers
Ogryn: DA EMPRAH PROTECCS!
As an aside:
If Army of Two had released in the Current Landscape of gaming, as it had been released back then, it would have DOMINATED EVERYTHING AROUND IT.
Holy shit, I haven’t heard of Army of Two in a long while
Ayooo those games were so fun. 3 was . . . Well, it was a trip.
"Almost all of media is so polarized and oppositional to begin with you can't even escape it to begin with" is to damn true for not just gaming but western society media as a whole and I hate that because it's genuinely not good for peoples mood and daily life
No Brother. Not what was lost, what was stolen! Only through retribution shall we see it returned to us.
Exactly
LMFAO it will never stop being hilarious that the kind of people who fart on about manliness, courage, honor are the exact kind of beta bitches who would A) never actually join the military to begin with. B) would never actually make it in the military beyond they love to make love to guns and C) would be the first ones crying in a corner pissing themselves in a real "wartime" situation.
They herp derp about manliness but are more like the Carmine family
It wasn't stolen it was given away. If you support games with themes that go against your sensibilities you are giving up your right to bitch about it.
@@Nostradevus1stop yapping lmao
@@Nostradevus1I agree. I do not accept any game that goes against my religion (Christianity) a bit too much like I can brush away a dig at us or obvious deviant behavior even annoyingly, but blatant anti Christian entertainment? No. Or watching a show or movie/ buying a game that has even an iota of woke leftist propaganda & on top of that the devs have a history of anti white rhetoric or hate gamers? Yeah my wallets closed & im playing an eastern game or total war Rome 2 on my PC
I’m a woman. So, I couldn’t say much for the masculine energy, but the passion that was put into it was obvious. I got so incredibly immersed in the game, especially towards the end of the campaign, that when it was over I was desperate for more. I’ve not felt that with a game in such a long time! I think the last time I felt that way was with The Division 1.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
When I saw the credit start to toll I was screaming "NOOOO! I NEED MORE"
Fear not, the Emperor provides brothers and sisters.
Battle sisters gonna battle
Believe it or not the senior writer on Space Marine II was Ashley Cooper, a woman. Senior writer doesn't mean they personally handled every plot beat, but she headed the project.
@@AkamuSlayer arent people using her as a reason it was delayed because of wokeism scariness?
The 40k Lore rabbit hole is something else. Once you start you dont know when you'll stop.
Thats the thing, you cant stop. If youre a casual lore consumer (like me) youre set for years
I have watched some luetin09's videos repeatedly, knowingly some times, and unknowingly others. Better than podcasts
I started down the 40k rabbit hole only to pop back out into Warhammer Fantasy (more specifically, The Old World)
You end in tzeench labyrinth
@@treasurewuji8740luetins warhammer lore videos are peak
As a Russian, I am very glad that my compatriots working in Saber's St. Petersburg office were able to give people around the world such a gaming experience
They inflated the amount of female guardsmen, but everything else was good
@@marcusaurelius3487 there's always been male and female guardsmen
@@Corusame 1. Not in the figures I've seen 2. Did the lore ever mention the number of abortions they would need to do for military readiness?
@@forestmanification There's also some ethnically diverse marines, but as long as they're treated like part of the setting (horrible death and maiming, life is the emperor's coin so spend it well and all that) it's fine.
@Corusame
And the birthrate of the imperium of man plummeted.
The planet broke before the Guard did..... Cadia Stands!!!
“I see the ultramarine are humans too.”
“More than you know, lieutenant”
Space marine have emotions, they just don’t do pandering because that would be ridiculous
They are professionals
@@silverhawkscape2677 and professionals have standards
Exactly, they are not robots, they are honed humans.
I really want Salamander game in this case
It will be very interesting to see how anyone can create story for one of the brightest champions of Imperium
@@forestmanificationYep they are undoubtedly human. Its why they fell to chaos but also why they were the only thing that stopped that fall from destroying humanity.
They are, for both good and ill, humanity and yes especially masculinity distilled to an extreme.
It’s crazy for me as a 40K veteran (began in 2003). I’ve seen the franchise go from niche, where 40K fans had to talk on subforums on Gamespot, and literally no one knowing of it, even though it’s very influential to other hardcore nerds who became game devs.
Now it’s wild to see it scratching the surface of the mainstream. This is as close as it’s gotten.
But I see Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft… and I shudder.
Check google trends. Its skyrocketed in popularity. About to eclipse star wars, and already eclipsed Dune.
I think it rode on the Dune hype. Its very similar in terms of themes. 40k is like Dune x Madmax
40k is like Kombucha. Its incredibly offputting at first and tastes like dookie. But it grows on you so much, that it ends up being fire.
Yes, got into WH40K a few years ago bit by bit ( i started reading Lore, i still get lost in the Wiki 9
But i`m also a oldschool Star Trek Fan, i saw TNG, VOY, DS9 and ENT and now ? What happend to Star Trek ?
It got to shit, they give a fuck about Lore, the only thing they care about is to make it flashy, easily digestable and earn more money by making it more mainstream.
I love the idea of a Warhammer Show, which is totally overdue, i was thrilled to see Cavill doint it, but that Dream was shattered yet again.
Space Marine 2 is the first real Warhammer 40k media that delivers what we really want.
And it shows that people want what Space Marine 2 ist.
And i think that every new Media about WH40K should be made for the fans, not somebody else.
@@honkhonk8009 I’m sure the Dune films helped raise other science fiction universes, but the rise was happening well before the new movies came out.
That being said, I definitely saw fans in comment sections telling people to check out 40K, because it’s in part influenced by Dune. Yet it’s still so different I’m not sure what a hardcore Dune fan would get out of 40k.
I’d probably recommend 40K to people that like Doom before anyone else.
Its the warp. Wh40k may get super fast super mainstream but it will get corrupted on the way. I'd rather have them slowburn their way.
On the defence of Star Trek, it has always been progressive. You can stick any political agenda in Star Trek and it fits.
I think what so many modern games lack is authenticity - that impression that the characters we play, and meet, are a natural part of that fictional world, that the world is what it was intended to be, unencumbered by ballast we, as the players, or even the developers, inevitably bring with us. Space Marine 2 is not a game I would enjoy, but it has that authenticity in spades, and it has that because it stays true to its source in spirit. These days writers don't seem to be aware that a good story does not rest on its characters in isolation, but also in the world it presents and how the characters fit into it. Those space marines you play in this game, they feel right there, and they wouldn't if they started talking about personal issues in great detail.
Honestly I think that might be writers in general. We just forget the bad ones quickly.
Totally true
Yea... this is a good take. Path of Exile is a good example a of a game that is not story heavy but still wildly interesting even outside of it's solid gameplay. The world is rich, and even in limited lines, you get a real understanding of your character based upon the class you chose.
one thing i really liked about space marine 2, is how it actually respects the imperial guard in a game about SPACE MARINES.
instead of being a joke they get treated as the front line professional soldiers that they are.
they arent superhuman, they're nothing but mortal men, and yet i see those men advancing with lasgun and leman russ upon an enemy that by all rights they should be retreating from.
Fan of commas huh?
The funny thing is, characters mention their backstory in places, but it's quick, interesting, and is relevant to the story.
I've been gaming for over 40 years now. And in the 90's gaming was great. But then the focus became multiplayer. I just finished Space marine 2. In one word, amazing. Now I've been say 'take me to the slaughter' 50 times a day. This game made me feel young again. And I'm thankful for that. 10 out of 10 for me.
Space Marine 2 gave me the joyous feeling of playing a shooter co-op with random players I haven't felt since... probably the Transformers War For Cybertron! Also the customization, glorious!!!
Try Deep Rock Galactic. It's the Formulae for playing with randoms online! Rock and Stone!
Bruh just hit some big nostalgia
War for cybertron spotted, likes rolling out
Man now I want to make an Optimus Prime paintjob in the game lol
@@MrVoidwalker714 **Palpatine's voice:** Do it!
4:00 IGN really was like "Why is there no lighthearted humor between the characters?"
IGN are, with all due respect, idiots
They clearly don’t know what happens when the Imperium suspects one of their own to be corrupted by Chaos.
Joss Whedon and Randy Pitchford have done irreparable damage to modern entertainment.
@@YarugumaSoutrue
Space Marines, and Titus in particular, are professionals. In SM1, Titus has killed orks before, for the warboss Titus is a huge rival, for Titus it's Tuesday. Professionals don't cry, they don't worry about their enemy's feelings, they are here to do a job and they do it with a minimum of fuss. But writers these days think players need a Deadpool style constant mouth going off all the time. That type of character doesn't fit the Warhammer 40k world, and bravo to the writers for recognizing it and sticking to their guns over the pressure from hacks who need to make everything words and not action.
You could probably fit that in somewhere in 40k if you wanted.
The comics used to have a nice storyline starting from the bottom of a hive city. Then stuff happens, and he goes to a space Hulk in a treasure hunt with a motley crew!
The robo-dog is mentioned to have somehow developed a taste for human flesh. The inquisitor genuinely has no idea how that works. It bothers me that she doesn't seem to be bothered by that.
40k is so Vast a Deadpool style Character can fit somewhere. Just not in the Imperium. Maybe the BoyZ.
Seriously im so sick of characters, especially game protags always talking like " hmm this plays seems abandoned" no shit, do you think the player so dumb they cant figure that out through environmental storytelling.
Probably fit in the harlequins somewhere, just constantly mocking his enemies as he's killing them.
@@ben-td9ob Most of the population being courted by modern games (let's say... Halo 1 onwards, when gaming penetrated the sports jock demographic) really are that dim and unable to process information from various sources. All must be made explicit for them.
It's a similar problem as with the graphics wh*res who think that good and bad are based on the number and size of the many tiny triangles that make up an image. They were always wrong, and art direction is always more important.
even with all the stoic characters they still manage to have all the main characters develop and learn from mistakes made genuinely amazing story
Space Marine 2 and Black Myth: Wukong is a reminder that video games are games first. They are meant to be fun and entertaining to play and watch. And I'm glad that both got released close to Concord and Dustborn to show the video game companies what gamers really want in their games
as a girl i still vibe with the masculinity and FOR THE EMPORER and all that honestly.
All that matters is we are in service of the Emperor!
Stay strong sister.
You spelled the name of The Emperor, wrong.
Heretic freak.
W
Praise be the The god emperor battle sister.
“Feels larger than life” is a good description for the game.
I wish there was a way for literally every game studio to hear and understand the message in this video.
There is, through sales. Whether they choose to listen, that’s another issue…
Exactly, it's up to them to listen to players or do the complete opposite.
At the end of the day we decide the games that are made and become popular, not them.@@richardlyne3329
Space Marines certainly have doubts and complex thoughts (often more complex than normal humans), but fighting Tyranids and chaos without another force of order involved is not a situation you need to think much about.
Most of his complaints about modern story telling are staples of Warhammer.
‘Bad guys are just bad guys and good guys are just good guys.’ I a hilarious take considering the Horus Heresy (where several villains are heroes twisted in the process of fighting for good) and groups like the Black Templars are part of the Imperium.
Some sickos said they wanted this game to have gear/loot grinds and carrots on a stick just so they could consider picking it up.... Yeah, goes to show how much peoples brains have rotted to such features present in live service games.
Yeah they cant comprehend playing a game just for fun. On super Nintendo most action games where 1 or 2 hours long. And i just replayed them over and over. For fun!! Not because i have to.
Nowadays you need 300 hrs of rng grind and picking 40 herbs and finding lost siblings over and over and over.
I felt the exact same way. I was definitely interested in the game, and I have a buddy who's decently big into Warhammer, so I knew I'd have a squad when it dropped. However, during the early release period, when I saw the tutorial mission, I got more hyped for this game than I have for any other game in the past 6 or 7 years. It satisfied a masculine itch that I didn't realize I've been forced to ignore. This game was everything I remember gaming being, and when I played it with my friends for the first time last night I was grinning from ear to ear the whole time. After we logged off, my two buddies literally texted me separately and both said that was the best gaming experience they've had since high school 10+ years ago.
That line right there, “scratching that masculine itch”. This game did that for me and the countless of bros that bought this game. This is peak male fantasy right here, to fight with your brothers, going headlong in your armor & weapons into hordes of overwhelming enemies & cleaving through them with your various melee weapons. I forgot I had two guns & many others at times because it was so FUN butchering heretics and mutant freaks. No girl boss yelling down at us, our protagonist is a stoic(they all are) superhuman man who we can connect too crazily enough. We as men can see ourselves fighting that fight for our religion that’s being threatened, our loved ones, our country etc. letting yourself get angry/furious seeing your battle bros or mentor dead or in threat of dying so you rush in to help at no regard to your own life because brotherhood is so engraved in our country psyche. This game reminded me like you said, what we men have been forced to ignore & be beaten down for even reinforcing this natural drive we have as “far right misogyny”. Our new main “heroes” are now effeminate, cry all the time, let the women take charge while she casually flips us on our backs in a cutscene fight or something. No, this game you ARE the weapon, the extension of the god emperors right hand, and good God it feels SO damn good.
Also sorry for that long paragraph. I’m loving this game so much and I have deep lore videos in my playlist because I’ve only scratched the surface of 40k over the years.
@@adaptivegamer9905Check out Arch's channel. Starting from his early work like "Why is there Melee in 40k?
He's the absolute best in my opinion, and was doing this before the other guys started.
@@adaptivegamer9905 The fact you are still crying over women yelling down at you shows how insecure you are lmao its rent free in your head.
@@adaptivegamer9905 beside the fact you think warhammer is about protecting a "religion that's threatened" shows how little you can read into it lmao. you'd die in dismay hearing about the average hiveworld
“Allergic to stoicism” is an excellent observation.
Too many characters are used for exposition dumps, it’s tiresome to listen to the character I’m supposed to be explaining their reasons for doing things. I want more games that can keep you on the rails narratively, but keep the game open enough to role play or head canon my own reasons for taking specific actions.
Don't most RPGs these days do that through dialogue options?
I don't think this is a "stoicism" issue. It's an issue of poor worldbuilding and bad gameplay. BG3 basically proves that. It's plenty "woke", but it doesn't have to be if you don't want it to. It does a solid job of worldbuilding, and has good core gameplay loops
No modern leftwing politics are opposed to stoicism because it is a traditional and religious value. No if you've been paying attention leftwing game developers have out right criticized stoicism. @@erikbouchard8911
Show don't tell story telling. I don't want to be told about something, I want to feel it.
Don't just tell me a guy is a bad guy, show me through the characters actions.
Show me events and let me piece together for myself what is going on.
Master Chief is a perfect example. Under Bungie he was stoic, quiet and professional. He was treated like a big piece of armor for the player immerse themself in.
Under 343 he turned into a crybaby, calling out for his AI girlfriend at every given oppertunity. "The Master Chief has emotions, he is a human being." I couldn't possibly care less for that. I couldn't possibly care less for his weird love life. Who actually asked for that?
@@PSYMEDIC Wasn't Master Chief getting more chatty and emotional every game? Not just 343? That's how I remember it. He was basically nothing in the 1st game. Rarely said a word. And started talking more and more up through Halo 3.
hopefully Helldivers 2 is taking notes on how fun it is killing massive hordes in Space Marine 2 vs being rag-dolled around constantly and dumping mags into enemies.
As a blood angels player and someone who reads the books, the game is a mid teir story. Good, but nothing compared to the likes of the Night Lord omnibus. Especially Blood Angels, they are marines who struggle with a flaw they can’t stop. They fight for the Emperor but also joke and talk, they weep and cry for their brothers. They are Human, and every marine is whether they like it or not.
The Night Lords trilogy is one of the best book series I have ever read; the characters are so well-crafted (though somewhat repetitious, Talos/Argel-Tal/Kharn/Sevatar are all very much written in a similar vein by AD-B) and they are a perfect lesson in how to write incredibly heroic, sympathetic antihero villains - who are without question the 'good guys', but still do everything evil possible in order just to survive.
Man you heretics are selfish with the lore, it's always gotta relate back to your mutant chapter or y'all ain't happy. I'm an ork player and I'm happy as a squig in a daycare.
I think it will get better with the next game. Also, you can only go so far in depth compared to an entire book series.
this is the kind of thing Amazon doesn't want for their 40k live action series they want more rings of power.
They gonna have the same lesson taught to them that was taught 2 years ago with that first season.
Hell, the same lesson being taught as we speak, as they release season 2. XD
@@panther-nk2hn lol well we tried to tell what we want, and they showed us what they are, so I think there is a saying that goes something like: don't interrupt your enemies when they are making a mistake.
They already added current_year diversity in this game, the most benign they could but that's the start of the corruption. You really think there is not going to be female space marines? Adeptus Custodes already have females now and they are space marines but better. Remember the boys scout organization? First they made the girlscouts to please the girls, then they accepted girls in the boyscout, then the organization collapsed, while girlscouts still only accepts girls. Same thing will happen here, it's a compulsion.
I just saw ep2 of The Tithes....🤢🤮. That female custode is so freaking cringe with an all too obvious current day political agenda ! She treats a senior Captain of the space marines like he's a little child, apart from the fact that she looks like Brock Lesner and she towers over him. It's absolutely ridiculous. 😵💫🙄🤦🏽
@@dogstar5927 yeah it's like they took the skull section of a woman head and replaced the brain dead custodes skull section with hers covered it up with high quality plastic surgery and she gets to live with a man's body its gross.
Immersion. That’s something we’ve lost. I’m totally immersed in this game when I play.
Immersion, sincerity and authenticity are severely lacking from modern entertainment media. It's like games are embarrassed of themselves. Movies have this obsession of being self-aware, which takes you out of the experience.
We're men! Manly men! We're men in tights... er... power armor.
Let’s face it, you gotta be a man to wear tights.
We roam around the Warp looking for fights.
@@Rahab198 I bow to you. Good game, well played
I mean iirc doesn’t power armor go on over a skintight bodysuit? Or am I thinking of Inquisiton stuff
@@webvixdarklove7551 skin tight body suit, hm ? Sounds like some sort of Slaneesh, Heresy right there.
But worry not little Heretic.......
The Inquisition has been.....
Notified.
It starts with the lore videos, then you end up buying one of the novels. Then some more. Even if you never end up playing the tabletop game (which you should btw) you'll be knee deep in the story in no time.
I started with some lore videos and now have a 3k point army lol in the space of a year. The bug bit me hard
@@ChopperMeir Dude 3k points in one year is a major accomplishment. What army do you play?
Modern companies and people don't understand that toxic masculinity isn't liking Big guns, Metal style art, killing monsters, testosterone etc etc Toxic masculinity is not being able of say that you saw barbie's movies and you liked them because you think that's for girls.
And Space Marine II understands that and gives us that shoot of joy that modern games have been lacking of
Agree, also sorry i gotta react to the Barbie movie thing. I still personally see the message of the movie to be aimed at both genders equally, if not even more at males. It's been a weird realization
This is more of a caricature you perceive through media than something you encounter in real life.
The more we keep voting with our wallets the clearer the message will be. Simply put we want good games. If you do this we will support you. If you keep trying to wring us for every single dollar we have meanwhile force feeding us spoonfulls of shit we will not. Hopefully the Concord debacle has sent a clear and resounding message. No more. No fucking more!!!!!!!
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
SM2 along with Black Myth Wukong, in contrast with the live service failures this year should be a sign to all these corpos that there is no "mOdErN aUdIeNcE"
The modern audience is the investors at Black Rock and vanguard.
@@kcisthe1styou honestly think they have time to push some ideology when they have to actively manage funds and analyze the market. You should probably look at the ceo of these game studios and employees.
This game IS live service and has so many problems as a result, what are you talking about?
@atomosvrial1708 I honestly think they are bots or something. Cause I keep seeing the same talking points. Even talking about how bad the connection is for the game, people on hear will act like you are lying.
@@jacobtaylor7506 apparently they have. Even Blackrock's CEO, Larry Fink, said that "We have to force behaviors" and "It's a shame that the people change so slowly". There are many other proofs and yet here you are, trying to gaslight us; "that doesn't happen", "you honestly think that they have time for this?" and other nonsense. Stop lying right in front of our faces.
"Married to the gaming industry"... that's a perfect description. We were forced into marriage, and the "significant other" spends more on making everything worse and telling us how we're "horrible people" instead of just enjoing time together. Instead of having fun, enjoying life, making it a bit better. Do we need a divorce?
You nailed the experience of marriage and relationships nowadays. Blame toxic feminism.
3:55 this is what I was telling people about CoD MW og series vs new. In the original you fought along side your comrades and rarely shared thoughts building more of a real feeling camaraderie as to where the new games feel like a cutscene simulator with every little detail having to be explicit.
The og cods had the best campaigns reminds me of this game , makes you feel in a war with all your allies around you pushing through the frontlines whilst chaos is all around, games ain’t like that no more tho
The main character of Space Marine 2 is the Warhammer 40k setting.
I shivered in disgust when you mentioned how this could have played out if done by a famous tripple A studio. Its what im most afraid of the upcoming Movie adaptations from Amazon... please no.
You misspelled “Triple”
This is a game that is so perfect for couch co-op. It sucks that we have gotten away from those days.
I remember when you could take your couch co-op party online in Halo. Greatest times ever
I also love couch co-op, but with the graphical fidelity of games nowadays, it would be almost impossible for consoles to render 2 screens at the same time without really heavy performance loss
@@fim1344 agreed. Im just lost in nostalgia over here lol.
@@fim1344eh, it definitely can be done with the tech we have today.
There's a lot of lore channels I would recommend, but Bricky is NOT one of them. His commitment is to the games, NOT the lore. He himself has made this claim and it's hard not to notice after a while.
my fav is Arbitor Ian
Leutin, majorkill, arbitor Ian are my go to’s. bricky is good for beginners though, he’s less detail oriented and more memey which can be a good thing.
@@dornanplays I cant stand majorkill I find him obnoxious
@@gawkthimm6030 I’m used to his way of speaking being Aussie, probably lost on others.
@@dornanplays for me its more a problem with his attitude towards the lore, he is too "hyperbolic" and exaggerates alot. I dont mind the slang or occasional crass humor
Best part about the game, no quips. Serious dialogue with stakes. The campaign is great. The unfolding of the story at the same time as unlocking new coop operations.
And the Slaneesh in our modern age want to desecrate this.
Resist The Heresy of the Modern World Brothers.
Either this guy gets his Warhammer lore from UA-cam shorts channels or has a horrible imagination
@@webvixdarklove7551 yeah if anything Slaanesh wants MORE of this, they want Space Marine 3 to be MORE, so much more that everything else feels hollow... until it to does.
quite opposite actually, slaneesh would love fighting games with more jiggle physics then a playable game
@@ege8240 so pedestrian
Slaaneshi daemons are everywhere these days
The Chaos Marines in 40k have tragic backstories but the game doesn't take time to go into it because there's no need. There's hints of it in the game seems its the Thousand Sons who probably have one of the best reasons for their hatred of the Emperor, but the game isn't the place for Imurah to go on a rant about what happened to the Thousand Sons during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy era. If this hgame is what gets more Warhammer 40k media greenlit, they'll probably explore that stuff more
Well to be fair, The explanation of the Multi layered plan to
1. Start up Project Aurora
2. Ensure the Nids go to Kudaku
3. Ensure Titus is there
4. Ensure a Carnifex rekts his insides
5. Make Titus an Ultramarine again
6. Have him find the truth about Aurora
7. Mess with him the whole game
8. Major spoiler plot twist
9. JUST AS PLANNED!
10. It was all for an entirely separate reason!
The fact that the whole plot was indeed a fully multi layered BS Tzzentchian plan was perfect to the setting.
Execept they are more interested in shoehorning woke retcon in the lore.
@@SATH-gd8ehwhat woke retcon did they shoe in in sm2. I've played the game back to front and aside from female guardsmen who have existed for more than a decade, there was no gender bending, or modern politics.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 don't engage they are just trolls who's only knowledge of 40k comes from rage baiters. If people start ignoring them they'll finally go away
@@SATH-gd8ehthey didnt
I am 28, last night playing this game with my buddies made me feel like a kid again.
I am 40 now and I don't have buddies to play these kind of games anymore :(
@@wurzelbert84wucher5 do you play on PC? If you have a discord we can be buddies
@@wurzelbert84wucher5 Im 44, I still have some buddies, but they cant afford modern gaming, they are mostly retrogamers now.
i would say the lack of personality for the marines is due to them being ultramarines, they are notoriously stoic, like human excel spreadsheets. A few chapters a much more emotionally deep and usually chaos marines have some amazing character arcs as they come learn to term with their humanity
Game of few words... and most of them are "For the Emperor!" and "Courage and Honour!"
man we're so lucky to have so many reminders & wake up call games lately
"Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne!"
What kind of heresy is this!!!
@@christiangonzalez6945 Khornate it seems
Love it that they gave TB a shoutout in the credits of the game.
Every now and then a game comes out that lets me be an old man yelling at clouds, trying to show zoomers, "SEE, THIS IS WHY WE KEEP SAYING GAMES WHERE BETTER."
And I love seeing Warhammer, especially Space Marines, represented correctly. Too many games treat Space Marines like any other shock trooper because it's hard to represent how powerful they actually are without breaking game balance. But you get the impression why Astartes are the Emperors angels playing this.
When AA games all but disappeared in the 8th generation, this kind of thing was what we lost.
This game has completely gotten my buddy and I obsessed with the warhammer 40k universe. Everyday we've been sending each other wiki links/yt videos about the lore and staying up pretty late playing it together at night.
It's been a long time since either of us have have been this invested in a game and its universe.
I also officially ordered my first set of minis to paint so... i think I may have picked up a new addiction.
Welcome to 40k! Come back when you have a grey legion. That's when you'll know the addiction has hit.
16:13 theme people are allergic to nowadays: masculinity, honor, sacrifice, controlled violence, stoicism, good and evil.
Gag on it kid
You never know. There are millions of people who are getting into this game, and seeing these themes. It may only be one step toward reclaiming what was lost, but it is a solid step.
@@HugoSan432what's that even mean? that you are proud to be a weak, disillusioned shadow of a man? I mean cool I guess, let's not forget that wh40k is growing, not dying like star wars
Simple, unadulterated violence with no pandering or bull crap. Something was lost but now something is found simultaneously.
4:10 interesting thing is throughout the campaign I found what Titus doesn't say says the most.
His main celharacteristic in the first half of the campaign is fear and paranoia. He's a betrayed man, served 200 years of penance. When he dodges and deflect questions those are all the PTSD acting up
Yeah. I respect the writers for having his hypocrisy called out, to his face by his subordinate, when it comes to not explaining things. He's mad about the Captain not telling him things, while he himself refuses to answer their questions of him. The fact he doesn't whine about that or have any reply speaks to his character and it's not some big cutscene thing, it's just a conversation as they walk to an elevator.
@@Sorain1 Yeah. I really love how the campaign is written with Co-op in mind. Just because Titus is the main-character it doesn't mean we automatically knows what's going on in his mind. But if we try we can 100% have a veryy educated guess on all 3 of the characters' mental state
Hopefully Space Marine 2's success will prop up Darktide. It's an encapsulating universe.
The lack of commentary from the "main" cast of characters/Titus' squad to me really feels like they give the players (Us) the opportunity to think, to feel emotion from the situations at hand within the story and develop our own view of the story rather than instead being told through Titus' mental commentary like many other games have done prior. I miss having time to think about the game as I play it.
Spot on about the whole trend of "talking about their feelings" in media recently. Titus in the game talks more through his actions than with words and it's quite refreshing to see. And when he does talk at length, like in the ending, you feel like it's a moment of gravity, where when he does speak it's actually something meaningful for his character.
as a 30+ year old Im glad to see a masculine game again made in 2024. I got into WH 40K in the late 90s and I felt like its lost its edge but Boltgun and Space Marine 2 showed be that classic 40k again.
I kind of don't really buy that "masculine" games were ever a major thing. Maybe back in the days of floppy disk when we had Duke Nukem and Doom, and Wolfenstein. But basically all those games were carbon copies of each other.
There was never a renaissance of masculine games before. Yea we had the Gears series and God of War, but those seemed like outliers. RTS/1st Person Shooters/Adventure games never leaned particularly hard into characters or a story that was much more than narrator driven.
RPGs haven't been particularly masculine ever. The Final Fantasy series in the 2000s and Fable. Mass Effect in the 2010s and Elder Scrolls. Now Baldur's gate. Generally RPGs have always had "woke" stories and moments. Or at least they rarely came off very "masculine" or gritty." Especially since the proliferation of open world and choice entered into RPGs, you've always had the option to play as a stoic/stern character, or as a more emotional character, and perhaps even as a woman.
I'm just not sure that "masculine" games has ever been a widespread thing.
@erikbouchard8911 they were a major thing but it feels at some point they silently became taboo for some reason. Even stuff you brought up like final fantasy had at least one "masculine" major character in them like Auron or Basch. It wasn't this boogie man that has to be "cleansed" out of gaming.
Also you say they didnt have any story or character driven elements but maybe you just dont relate with things like bonds of brotherhood. Stoic stories are more sutble but its a bit unfair to say there was nothing to them.
@@erikbouchard8911 hahahahahahahaaha oh... you're serious.
@erikbouchard8911 did you miss the entire late 90s and early 2000s or were you not born yet? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@GutsOfRivia It doesn't feel cleansed out of gaming to me though. Generally you can still play your protagonist in a lot of RPGs as a stoic character.
A lot of companions aren't overly stoic. But gameplay wise that makes a ton of sense they would probably not be very interesting over the course of a game if they remained stoic and didn't carry any conversation over the course of the game.
I mean, we probably play different games. However, I think that the only genre this critique really even makes sense for is the RPG genre, and I don't think it's true. I think there's plenty of companions, and/or main characters who act masculine.
The general problem with recent RPGs has been worldbuilding and bad core gameplay loops IMO.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
was thinking the same thing. was getting HUGE nostalgia of playing gears playing warhammer
16:15 - Who cares about GOTY? I have several games with hundreds of hours in them. They're all games I pick up, play for a bit, put down, only to repeat that cycle again months later. Both online (Guild Wars 2, Warframe, Monster Hunter: World) and offline (Crusader Kings 3, Factorio, Rim World) I'm not asking any of them to be GOTY. In fact, I can't think of any GOTY that got more than 20-40 hours of my time, if that.
Meanwhile me with 300 hours on elden ring 😂 everyone has their preferences on games tho
Most likely Wukong will win, most likely this game will earn several awards though. And if it doesn't meh, it's my personal GOTY just like Armored Core 6 was last year
Really is true that a lot of the narrative is silent. In the beginning, the long stare and then one question and a compliment told more about doubts towards the new commander, than a single word that was spoken.
Later in the game (minor action spoilers) ....
...when Gadriel goes ahead to fly into the action with the jetpack thing and "goes a bit solo" in killing enemy after enemy and drops his weapon, Titus picking it up and giving it to him by pushing it to his chest and then walking away without saying a word... All of that said so much and not one word was spoken during it. Better yet, it left me to interpret it.
They trust me to read into it, feel it, react to it and have it fill my head with what they're feeling or thinking, in a way that is much more interesting than them spelling it out ever could.
I love that.
Great video and food for thought again @LegendaryDrops. :)
This is the best Gears of War game in a while. They really understood what makes 3rd person games so fun, and they didn't drown out the gameplay by a meaninglessly over dramatic story. Reminds me of what really worked with the new Doom games.
Gears of War? Warhammer long predates gears of war...
@@musafawundu6718 I think he meant gears of war style shooter game. Was basically a whole genre in its era.
@@eom1682 Gears of War is a cover shooter. This game is not.
@@TheShadowOnline Havent played it yet so I cant say, but from little ive seen it does look more gears of war than say, call of duty, rainbow six, overwatch, titanfall or anything that has come in the last few years. It has lots of enemies wich tank a lot of bullets, melee, and doesnt have parkour stuff.
@@TheShadowOnlineI was there, and the conversation was about how gears is drawing a big part of its weapon idea from 40k.
SpaceMarine2 and AstroBot... damn these are good games
AstroBot is even from #Sony
In the middle of the campaign I was legit worried the story would turn into what you described... Some melodramatic soap opera of betrayal and crap. The wrap up being a story about learning to trust your brothers in battle and building a team of true bros was really refreshing. Definitely appealed to my normal T-Levels. And the twist at the end was *chef's kiss.*
The game is simple, but it is refreshing. You feel like you're a Space Marine and you feel like you have Battle Brothers that are equally as competent (and not just the 2 that follows you) and you feel why Space Marines are a big deal. They managed to accomplish this with the very simple way of having your Brothers be on comms accomplishing their objectives that enable yours.
The last mission is the best showcase of that. In any other game, _you_ have to be the one that has to get to all 4 keys and activate them. But in this game, you have to get to one, and as you trek to your designated objective, your fellow Space Marine squads that are also on the same mission as you activate the other keys and they all have their moment on comms to be the main character.
It makes up for a simple gameplay loop with a very good sense of worldbuilding and scale.
Waiting for Asmongold's reaction.
He's got a playthrough up
I never would of found his channel if not for Asmongold
Same
@@jasonarnold1990me2
Ditto.
Remember folks, this is the grim darkness of the far future, where fellings are not allowed, happiness is banned, peace does not exist and there is ONLY WAR.
This is the only setting where having your own home planet blown up is not a reason for angst.
Go look up the Tanith First and Only.
This is the grim darkness of the far future where feeling and happiness are overshadowed by the survival of your species.
@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 Chaos is basically a statement on when emotions control you rather than you controlling your emotions.
I know that quote, but *WELL ACTUALLY* -all the best Imperial Guard books has lots of excellent written feelings...
@@Thalanox Brother, the men of Tanith constantly grieve over the world they lost. They sing songs of the forests of their homeworld. They miss their wives, brothers, sons and daughters. They watched and were forced to flee as everything they had ever known and was burned and destroyed. They hate their commanding officer for not allowing them to die protecting their families and friends. The men of Tanith are many things, and angsty is absolutely one of them. Theyre shells of the men they once were as they fight for a galaxy they have no place in. Theyre the men of Tanith. The first and only. They are Gaunts Ghosts and it eats at them, every second of every day as they slog through the mud of some godforsaken place they have no connection to. Read the books man. Tanith was heaven, and its gone.
The villain in Space Marine 2 does kind of talk like he is a victim of circumstance.
He talks about the Burning of Prospero and how the Emperor wants to keep the power of the Warp to himself. Denying humanity from its true future.
That's just chaos brain rot trying to plant the seed of heresy in the space marines.
Heretical lies
I'd say it's lore accurate to what a Thousand Suns Sorcerer would believe
@@AnonymousVenator oh it is lore accurate. However you also get into all the psy games that Chaos does. So it is unknown if that is what he actually believes or not. He was trying every method to get Titus to yield. Even that desire is in question because Titus saving that Tech Priest was part of the plan.
The only good Thousand Son was the one with my boy Rylanor.
So true man. It's valor, honor, heroic sacrifice. Something young guys need to see more often.
The theme of brotherhood of the space marines is what makes them so popular for the majority of the male fanbase of the hobby.
Warhammer in general seems to provide that well, when well done. I can still hear "Summon the Elector Counts!" from Emperor Karl Franz in Total War Warhammer. And of course, Battlefleet Gothic Armada II's Admiral Spire is one of my favorite characters ever.
Heck, Inquisitor Martyr has a solid story, but you can just focus on the fun of fighting without digging into the details and it works fine. That's how it should be, let those who want the lore have it, let those who don't want it do their thing. Like how SM2 after the prologue/tutorial lets you just dive into multiplayer if you want.
This is definitely why helldivers was so popular while also being extremely fun
Down the line I would unironically like to see sisters of battle be added, even if it's just a skin. Unlike Twitters idea of ''bad ass women'' the Adeptus Seroritas are *ACTUAL* bad ass motherfuckers and I could see so much potential for in game dialog and banter between them and the Astartes.
i saw some nerd on the steam hub bitching about how sexist 40k was because everyone was a dude.
the first comment? "sisters of battle. you idiot."
forget sororitas skins, i want a wholeass game about them and the imperial guard.
bonus points if its one of the weirder guard factions, like the death korp or tallarn raiders.
As a fan of 40k of over 20 years, I love seeing people appreciating the setting and looking deeper. It's big, dumb, fun, and surprisingly deep.
The PvP is really fun surprisingly if you got good team work and team synergy you will win but if the team isn’t working together you will definitely lose. Something about the PvP brings back that good feeling of multiplayer and nobody mentions you stay in the same lobby with the same people !! All we need is just more maps and prestige to multiplayer !
You just feel like a total super soldier tbh
40k might be too dark, brutal and grotesque for many people. There's no 'good guys' in this setting, you're either the predator or the prey, sometimes both.
GW have been mostly trying to change that with their recent products and new lore. SM2 seems to have been spared and remains more like the grimdark 40k of a few years ago.
and yet the Imperium of Man are unbridled in being the heroes of the universe.
There are probably some solid argument for who are the bad guys with the only for sure Good Guy being papa nurgle just trying to make people feel good about themselves 😂.
@@RoboticPope If they go too far in this direction they might lose more customers than they gain. There's more than enough family friendly IPs around, grimdark is their main selling point.
@@RoboticPope I wouldn't even say it's recent. GW lost the plot a while back when they created 7000 Space Marine models for every 1 model to another faction.
Despite the outrage, I don't think female Custodes is a departure from "Grimdark" at all. It's pretty irrelevant to the actual feel of the IP.
Primaris were the first step in departing the IP. Space Marine factions now have an ability to proliferate at a much higher rate... not grimdark. Space Marines have lost most of their weird and inherent flaws like first born had, not grimdark.
Generally I feel the 40k IP is still wildly grimdark, the major problem is that a lot of newer models specifically for SM feel gaudy rather than gritty. And that subtracts from a grimdark feel. Gameplay wise, the SM factions have totally ripped off from Xenos factions and lost the primary thing that made the faction interesting and unique in the past. Which was it's varied "modern" squad tactics setup. A tactical squad could be outfitted to deal with a variety of threats, it was like a modern Marine squad. Now, intercessors are all rocking the same weapon profile and feel wildly more generic because of it.
its so refreshing to get a modern version of 2010 era video games, and its a 40k game at that, the future is looking bright for the franchise
Sweet Summer Child ...
A game that isn’t full of politics and they/thems and sexual orientations that is only made to be a game and enjoyed and doesn’t cater to any group of people. God I forgot how nice it is to genuinely enjoy a game again….
this guy is so melodramatic I bet he could wax poetic about deli meat with poignant pauses and hyperbolic scripts about nitrate content
sending love to all my fellow space marines! For the emperor!!!
Back in the day, we had the original Gears of War. Not whatever they've been cooking up recently. It's a ground breaking 3rd person testosterone filled experience that you could couch Co-op and play with friends. Space Marine 2 reminds me of that original Gears of War experience I had as a teen. It's great to see this game bring so back so many of those older roots that have been lost and give them a modern lift with class.
This is all I needed to hear. I'm getting this game.
@@madboi1591 You’ll enjoy it! My only gripe with it is the User Interface. It’s difficult to navigate and you’ll spend a lot of useless time figuring it out. You can play online Co-op after you complete your first campaign mission. Servers are weird where you may not get connected to an online game consistently. Other than that, the game is great and I’m sure they’ll fix “some” of these issues.
Omg. Def jam The memories. God tier game with your boys
When Calgar told Titus to get up, that was dope
I miss the times when "diversity" and "representation" meant putting a token Black guy in a band of Italians.
THANKS SPACE MARINE 2!