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That last scene with Doc when he said "I'll be damned. Isn't this funny." was because he thought he would die with his boots on in a gun fight. He was looking at his bare feet when he said that.
This is actually historically accurate.
its more like he tried his damnedest to die in a reckless manner rather than in a hospital bed, but that was apparently his fate.
@@ShiirowThat’s, at the very essence, what was said by @teknonstrikegaming, or not?
I thought he was referring to 'funny feeling' on his toes. I remembered some said that when your dying your toes get cold first, then your legs, and so on. Who the f knows XD
Wyatt and Maddie were never married. She was a whore that stayed with him and he let her use his last name. So technically he was not an attached man when he met Josie
Wyatt first wife actually died of smallpox shortly after their baby was still born. Maddie was his common law wife,they never actually married.
Don't they say at the end of the movie she died of a drug overdose? 🤔 🤷♀️
Madrid died of the overdose but she was not married to Wyatt they were just living together. Wyatts’ first wife died years before the events in this movie
@@momD612 She was an opium addict; that's what was causing the headaches. Withdrawal. Laudanum is a tincture of opium.
@@wiccantexan yes, I know that. ??? Hence, drug overdose....
She was also a prostitute, and Wyatt was, presumably, her pimp for a portion of their time in Dodge City.
Regarding Doc: In the first scene with Ringo, Doc not just mocked him with the cup but actually mimicked every move he did showing how much attention he paid and how sharp he is. In the final scene when he says "this is funny" rumored to be his final words it is because he lived a very dangerous life and always thought he would die with his shoes on instead of with his shoes off comfortable in his bed.
Also dot holiday's cup is just as deadly because he has tuberculosis
@@insaneo8860Dot?
@@insaneo8860good point, I didn’t think of that.
Val Kilmer's performance in this movie is incredible!
Superb acting all around.
Doc Holiday was a brilliant student and young Dentist. He had Tuberculous which led to him going west. His Hungarian lady was Big Nose Kate. Wyatt Earp's Jewish lady was Josephine Marcus. She protected his legend in a book and a famous TV show. Johnny Ringo was found dead sitting next to a tree. It was never solved.
Thanks for this! We watched a couple videos about the true story cause we were really interested after the movie
Johnny Ringo was theorized to have shot himself. But the odd thing about that is that the bullet that went through his head didn't go through the hat that he was found wearing.
And the people who owned that land that day were hauling lumber to town on a nearby trail. They encountered a group who asked about the whereabouts of Ringo.
The actor who played Henry Hooker is Charlton Heston. He was one of the most famous and capable actors in the 50’s and 60’s and 70’s. He passed away in 2008.
Got to meet him once at a book signing. One of the most gentlemanly men I've ever met. So kind and lovely.
It's weird to think people who watch movies, even today, don't know who Charlton Heston is, but it makes sense I guess with young people.
Watch Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, even the original Planet of the Apes and you'll see why.
No way! I didn't recognize him!
Y'all need to study up on your history Hollywood and real life.
The scene where Ringo pulls out his gun and does all his tricks and then Doc Holiday pulls out a cup and imitates him is actually brilliant. What Ringo didn’t realize is that he accidentally showed Doc how fast (or slow) he was while Doc didn’t give Ringo any information because he pulled out a cup lazy. That’s one of the reasons that Doc wasn’t scared of Ringo. Yes, Doc was dying but he also knew he was faster and would win a gun fight.
That's a good point, but I think doc wanted to show Ringo knowing tricks with a gun doesn't matter when the rubber meets the road and your down to who's faster on the trigger, and all that fancy bullshit means nothing
@@nightfangs2910 that too.
@@nightfangs2910 very true. No amount of fancy trick twirls help in a gunfight. But Doc saw Ringo’s initial fast draw before he started with the tricks, while Doc lazy took out the cup.
Ringo knew doc would beat him though. That's why the only time he didn't try to back down from the challenge was when he was drunk.
This wasn’t Dodge, and he wasn’t Bill Hickok.
Such a great movie.
RIP to Bill Paxton and Powers Boothe.
Val Kilmer deserved an Oscar for this.
I love you two together.
Live long and prosper.
Can't believe he wasn't even nominated for the Oscar.
Charleston Heston cameo playing Henry Hooker the rancher who looked after Doc.
This is based on real events. The stream scene was very accurate to history. Wyatt himself didn't know how he was not hit in that fight. As to the romance, scenes were cut. The director went nuts part way through and Kurt Russel took over as director. Maddie had a drug addiction in the story and died before Wyatt went to Josie.
More like the movie was inspired by real events and like almost all history it's written by the winner.
There was a lot more to the events leading up to and after the OK Corral. It was more than just 'good guys versus bad guys" because there really were no good guys
The Earps, including Wyatt were not saints by any means. Just becuase they had been law men didn't make them good guys. The rough and tumble cattle towns of the old west would pin a badge on anyone who they thought could get the job done and didn't give a damn about whether they broke or obeyed the law. Even Billy the Kid was a Deputy US Marshall appointed by a judge during the Lincoln County Wars.
Maddie Earp was not only Wyatt's wife but she was also a prostitute who Wyatt pimped out. The other Earp brothers married prostitutes and pimped the out as well.
James Earp, one of Wyatts older brothers and not in the movie, was also in Tombstone as well running a brothel with his prostitute wife.
The fued between the Cowboys and the Earps was much more complicated than the movie showed. It took over a year before it broiled over to the events at the OK Corral. It was political and personal and a power struggle for control with half the town siding with the Cowboys and half with the Earps.
Clayton and his 'boys" were well liked in Tombstone and they didn't go around shooting up the town on drunken rampages.
Both sided wants control of Tombstone. Tombstone was a booming silver town and while the silver mine was producing the town was getting rich. The Cowboys owned a lot.of land outside of town and the Earps had their hands on almost every business in the town from owning hotels, brothels, gambling joints to even extortion. It was just a matter of time before the two biggest kids on the block went head to head
It was also political because the Cowboy faction were democrats and the Earps were Republicans and there were 2 newspapers in Tombstone, one that supported the Democratic faction of the town and one that supported the republican faction. They often printed stories pitting the Earps and the Cowboys against one another.
There were conflicting testimonies of the gunfight becuase half witnesses sided with the Earps and the others sided with the Clayton's. The 2 newspapers just added fuel to the fire becuase again, one supported the Earps and the other the Clayton side. No one really knows the truth but since the Earps won it the side history remembers.
Wyatt amd Doc were arrested and placed in jail for about 3 weeks while Morgan and Virgil being wounded were under house arrest. Wyatt and Doc had to be secretly moved a couple of times because Lynch mobs were formed by some of the towns people who supported the Cowboys.
There was a trial and the Earps and Doc were acquitted of all murder charges and the judge ruled it was self defense. It didn't hurt that Judge Spicer was a republican judge.
While the Cowboys did shoot Virgil Earp in an ambush and killed Morgan, the events happened months apart and not on the same night. They never shot up the wives or killed the mayor and his family. The mayor was actually a Democrat and on the side of the Coelwboys and friends with the Clayton's.
The fued was very complicated and would be hard to put into a 2 or even 4 hour movie so it's easy to see why it was condensed.
Johnny Ringo was found dead leaning up against an oak tree with a bullet wound in his head. For years several people who said to have killed him and others claimed they did but no one knows. Most common and accepted theory is that he committed suicide. He also was not as educated as the movie portrayed didn't speak latin Latin. He was a bad man though, bad as in morally bad and don't want to mess with bad. Before riding with the Chochise County Cowboys of Tombstone, he had been a hired gun in several cattle war.
Tombstone is an awesome movie and while not historical accurate it does a great job trying to remain faithful to the some of the events.
I do enjoy this movie and have seen it several times and Val Kilmer was great as Doc Holiday
@nataliestclair6176 Yeah, not claiming the rest was acrate. Just the stream fight scene and Wyatts wonder at it. In the story for the movie, Maddie dies before going to Josie. Don't know about reality. Many of the accounts we have come from Wyatt and his side though, so I'm sure you are right on the bias.
@@jeffstrom164 yeah there is nothing historcal about when Wyatt and Mattie ended their relationship of if it just ended without words so to speak. She left Tombstone with Virgil and his wife to go the California and it'd not known if Wyatt ever saw her again.
Wyatt did start his relationship with Josephine Marcus around 1881 or 1882 and Matrie died of a drug overdose in 1888. So Wyatt and Josephine were together before Mattie died.
The man in the blue didn't die at the creek but a few days later in a barn and told the story about Wyatt never being hit in the between of the gun battle
@@jeffstrom164According to a western historian on UA-cam, who actually got to visit this movie set, Wyatt didn't wade out into the creek like the movie.
My memory is somewhat vague, so I forget the details he gave. But he claimed it happened on the trail leading up to the creek. Supposedly, Wyatt had loosened his gun belt due to the heat. At some point Wyatt got off his horse, and everybody who was with Wyatt fled during the firing. And supposedly Wyatt was wrestling with his gunbelt or pants hanging halfway down, and ended up using his shotgun and blasted him with both barrels.
Wish I could remember the channel's name, but it can probably be found through searching the topic. His channel is named after an of west magazine name that he bought the rights to.
Johnny Ringo is the same guy who plays Kyle Reese in Terminator and Corporal Hicks in Aliens. He's mostly famous for playing good guys but he does have a few famous role as a bad guy, like this one and the guy he plays on James Cameron's "The Abyss."
Come with me if you want to live.
He was also a bad guy in an episode of The Mandalorian 🙂
But he was a good guy again... As the leader of the squad to stop Ed Harris from attacking San Fransisco in "The Rock"
Fell in love with Michael Beihn after seeing him in Terminator
Just so you know this is extremely accurate. The town of Tombstone exists. I've been there and stood at the OK corral where the gunfight took place. It's an amazing piece of U.S. history and Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday are legends.
OK Corral was open like in real life back in the 80s, but they walled it in and turned it into a tourist trap.
I live an hour away from Tombstone. Love the history and great experience
It’s pretty amazing to visit Boot Hill. Johnny Ringo is buried nearby also, basically where they found him. It’s on private property, but they allowed people to visit as of when I was there a few years ago.
Saying this movie is extremely accurate has to be a joke 😂😂
@@historyofnerdom6111 Compared to the Good, Bad, Ugly as a documentary of the Civil War in New Mexico Territory?
Many people believe that Val Kilmer deserved the Oscar that year for this role. But here are the nominees for Best Supporting Actor in the 66th Academy Awards:
Tommy Lee Jones as Samuel Gerard in "The Fugitive"
Ralph Fiennes as Amon Göth in "Schindler's List"
John Malkovich as Mitch Leary in "In the Line of Fire"
Leonardo DiCaprio as Arnie Grape in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape"
Pete Postlethwaite as Giuseppe Conlon in "In the Name of the Father"
Other snubs include Ben Kingsley as Itzhak Stern in "Schindler's List", Sean Penn as David Kleinfeld in "Carlito's Way", certain actors in "True Romance", etc...
That's a tough year - going up against Schindlers List...
Leo had his Simple Jack moment.
Wow that's some serious competition for one year! I think more than one Oscar should've been handed out cause most of those performances are legendary
Thank you, I'm getting tired of always finding the first comments in "Tombstone" reactions ranting about Kilmer being snubbed, that it was criminal to snub him etc.
For one thing, I do agree he delivered one helluva performance and he should have been nominated but when you read about the way the film was marketed, that eminent critics such as Ebert himself didn't know how good the film was and how great Kilmer was until they saw the film, than it is obvious that the blame is on the studio, not the Academy... it should have been Kilmer's Oscar-nominated role but the producers blew it.
So the comments should take this into consideration before ranting for the 1888th time about the snub...
Indeed, it was a tough year and I also wish Sean Penn was nominated for "Carlito's Way", one thing I never got is why TLJ was even nominated, I mean, I could at least accept the nomination but a WIN? That was a performance he could do in his sleep, no big deal, all the others were far superior... that's the thing to blame the Academy for, they only gave him the Oscar because he lost it in 1991 when he deserved it for JFK, but it was Jack Palance's career-awarding Oscar...
That was the lousy trend of the 90s, I worship Al Pacino, he's my favorite actor but no way was he better than Denzel Washington in "Malcolm X", but it was his career-awarding Oscar to make up for all these times he didn't win... especially in 74, when they gave it to Art Carney... etc. etc.
@@sdkelmaruecan2907 He got snubbed. Gonna cry about it?
That was a tough year. But he still should have won.
The movie was shot in the original, "old town" of Tombstone AZ. It is now a tourist attraction, with shops of local trinkets, jewelry, blankets, and art, plus the saloons are still open. I was there 25 years ago and had a beer in the Crystal palace. You can go and visit, a little over an hour south east of Tucson.
Doc Holiday, famously quoted several times throughout his life, " i shall die with my boots on!" His last words were, ""That's funny," when he noticed his boots being off, and clean bare feet being his last sight.
Oh dang I'm definitely going to go if I'm in Arizona!
I was going to say the same thing! They didn't need to build a set for the town of Tombstone; they just covered the paved streets with dirt. I'm a native Arizonan and have been to Tombstone (and Bisbee, another awesome old- west town) more times than I can remember. You can definitely feel the history alive there-especially the Birdcage Theater (which is said to be very haunted, which I definitely believe)
I went there in 2021, it’s still awesome. Boot Hill cemetery was awesome.
Most of the movie was filmed at Old Tucson Studio.
Michael Bein who played Ringo ( Terminator, and Aliens), tells a great story about his gun trick scene. He said that all through shooting Val Kilmer had that pewter drinking cup with him, and he’d be twirling it. No one knew why. They thought it was a nervous habit or something. The gun used for all the twirling was weighted to do so, but that cup wasn’t. However, if you’ve ever watched top gun or true genius, Val does have a habit of twirling things through his fingers quite dexterously. When they shot that scene, he mimicked everything that Michael did with his gun, using his cup, and it was so in character with Doc Holiday, that they kept it in. Pretty impressive, no?
If that's true then that's an incredible piece of improv
@@nicksterj I'm not surprised. That cup twirl added a lot to the scene
@@nicksterj Interesting, to hear Michael Biehn tell it, it wasn’t even weighted for spinning. He also doesn’t tell the same story of Val practicing with his colts, first, like the guy that wrote the behind the scenes book on the movie. I’m assuming that’s where you got your information? That was the only source I could find that told it differently.
Any movie with Kurt Russell is great.
He's such a legend!
@@nickreacts6394 absolutely...he can play any character believably...he is very underrated...
One of the most romanticized, as well as the mostly historically accurate directiipiction of Wyatt Earp and the events at Tombstone.
Not at all accurate. There wasn't a big organization called the Cowboys. It was the McLaury ranch and Clantons ranch and some of their ranch hands. Wyatt Earp only killed four men on his vengeance ride starting with Stilwell and ending with Curly Bill Brocias. Doc Holiday didn't have a shootout with Johnny Ringo. Although Ringo did challenge Doc once but Doc declined. This movie is pure Hollywood. Wyatt Earp starring Kevin Costner gives a much closer depiction of the life of Wyatt Earp
@scottdarden3091 and nobody knows who killed Johnny Ringo. Like i said, highly romanticized. But out of all the films about Wyatt Earp. The overall story is accurate. Not in all respects but in most. Wyatt did throw Johnny Tyler out of the Hotel by his ear. He killed Brocious after being pinned downed and W Wyatt came out with bullets flying around him, and he shot Brocioys point blank. And of course, this is one of the only films to really get the gunfight right. Yeah, I agree with you. The Veagence Ride was mostly fictionalized. If you want to see a better depiction, might I recommend "Hour Of The Gun" which also has a very accurate portrayal of THE GUNFIGHT.
@@herbyragan8686 "...the most historically accurate" Yeah, you were wrong. Your statement is even contradictory out of the gate, but like it was said -- Kevin Costner's film was the most accurate.
@@Kaspar.C0LD I said mostly accurate , not the most accurate 😉 The Costner film, as far Wyatt's ENTIRE life. Yes, the most accurate. But that Costner film was really boring!
@arden3091 This is a general comment, not directed at you. In reality, there are very few "facts" that can be verified, and I'm talking about the so-called "true" story, which comes mainly from interviews done 50 years later, with people who had motive to "spin" the story. But, still some of it did happen so it's not all Hollywood.
30:52 The movie's assassin for the women ran away because it was a double barrel shotgun, he was empty after 2 shots. 46:15 the main real story is the first 'Shootout at the OK Corral', Wyatt became famous because he was the one not shot, they fictionalized the second shootout by the river to recreate the miracle a second time. 47:47 Doc was a dentist (steady hands), and contracted tuberculosis (a death sentence), so he became a (successful) gunfighter and gambler. The thing about tuberculosis is your body can temporarily fight it off at odd times, you'd be on your deathbed one day and then feel good the next day. Like Doc did.
Lmao. Damn near everything you said is erroneous. Fuckin' astounding.
That shootout by the river was the Iron Springs shootout, and Wyatt walking up to Curly Bill, cutting him down, and blasting a couple more Cowboys before walking away without a scratch is exactly what happened.
@@bjchit The shootout with Curly Bill did not take place in and across a river, his party rode toward a spring when the cowboys suddenly jumped up from behind a rise and began firing. Wyatt quickly blasted Curly Bill with his shotgun while Doc and the others retreated for cover. The cowboys ran to a stand of willows and the gunfight continued.
The claim Wyatt Earp walks through a hail of bullets to kill Curly Bill was thought exaggerated, though you could be right, it at least wasn’t made up just for the movie. It's like a call back to the OK Corral, in which Morgan was clipped by a shot across his back. Virgil was shot through the calf, and Holliday was grazed by a bullet. Only Wyatt came through the shootout without a scratch.
The river shootout was 100% accurate.
1 of the only things that was not even slightly changed.
And it technically was not the Gunfight at the O.K Corral.
But it was an empty lot sort of next to the O.K. Corral.
@@treystone9464
Throughout Wyatt Earp's life he was involved in many shootings and he was never hit , ever. The shootout at the creek bed he only got a Nick on the heel of the shoe really strange things in history
The scene where Wyat Erp kills Curly Bell during the ambush is true. It wasn't an ambush! they ran into each other and during a gunfight there were 21 holes in Wyat Erps cape.
No Wyatt's wife wasn't sick, she was a dug addict.
Thank you. I was going through these comments going nuts thinking no one else pointed this out
"Im your huckleberry" Classic badass line there ha
The groom at the wedding was Policia, they were across the border in Mexico. They killed him in revenge for their killing of two "Cowboys".
Laudanum was traditionally 10% powdered opium dissolved in a liquor containing 25-90% alcohol. It was about as available as aspirin today. They took it for everything from a tooth ache to a pulled muscle. Needless to say addiction was extremely common in that time frame.
these reactors miss so many explained or obvious plot points, i do like younger audiences enjoying great movies like this but so often i find myself yelling come on! how do you miss the plot or points so obvious in the movie??? some dont even really watch and only react to points in the movie that are key, that's evident. not saying Nick does that...but i did find myself questioning missing so many obvisions things in the movie....IE Kurly Bill obviously smoking opium and not understanding his actions before killing Fred. they did catch on, but in the intro they said Doc had TB and moved west for his health, but they said he sweating because of drinking...... anyway...... just an old dude's take and again glad younger people watching these great movies i just hope they are actually watching and paying attention and not just working for likes.
I'm still middle aged, but I had Grandparents that taught me about a lot of things they didn't cover in school. Everything from the "Swamp Fox" to the McMinn County War.
@@dturasky19 Sometimes it just depends on our interests too. I was always interested in history and I understood a lot in period films. If I didn't I read up on it. But then I became a historian. It can be frustrating, I admit, but it's an opportunity to teach and share and learn. It's important to be encouraging to people, no matter their age, if you want them to learn about a subject. ♥
A slight misreading of the gave marker @ 6:09 . Lester Moore was an actual person who died from four wounds received in a gunfight with Hank Dunstan (who also died of a single gunshot wound from the fight). The epitaph is actually:
"Here Lies Lester Moore
Four Slugs from a 44
No Les(sic) (Lester)
No More (Moore)".
There are several such poetic epitaphs (as was popularly done in that era) in the Tombstone cemetery, Boot Hill. It can still be seen today but much less often.
Thank you!
As far as the accuracy goes, I've noticed two camps over the years: The first, fans of the movie, like to point out all the things the movie got right, historical details, names, events, the 'feel' of the thing. The second, people who enjoy pointing out how far any movie strays from the actual historical record, will have their own list of things the movie got wrong. I think it comes down to the personality of the viewer. I am firmly in the first camp. This film is a successful merge of historical details and cinematic license for entertainment's sake, giving the viewer the flavor of how these people lived. But if others want to pick it apart, well, it's not a documentary for sure. Still, well worth watching.
It's tricky to parse because the accounts we have were highly biased. Most of our records come from different newspapers which either took the side of the cowboys or the Earps. I don't think we'll ever truly know what happened, just the vague details and a few points that all accounts agree on
For me, " SILERADO" is a movie that showed real friendship and a damn good Western.
Silverado has an incredible cast. Kevin Costner, Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, Danny Glover, Jeff Goldblum, Brian Dennehy and several more recognizable faces!
You might have recognized Johnny Ringo- Michael Biehn- from Terminator. Doc had TB. Thanks for sharing. Peace, all 💕
Also, Ike Clanton was played by Stephen Lang who also played Col. Miles in both Avatar movies. Cheers!
Finally a reaction to this great movie where someone actually realized that it's said at the beginning that Doc had TB. So many reactors go through the movie wondering why he always looked sick and sweating. Doc's woman was an enabler who was basically using him to gather money and keep her high living status, probably goes from one man to another to find someone willing to go along. At least that's my take on their relationship. A star studded cast that knocked it out of the park. That "good man" was the legendary actor Charlton Heston. "Ben Hur" "Planet Of The Apes", "The Omega Man", among a bunch of movies.
An absoultely fantastic 90's movie you should watch is "Last of the Mohicans". It has Daniel Day Lewis in it. Incredible score, fabulous acting and the scenery is so beautiful! Also, watch "The Crow"- it is so dark and gritty and the soundtrack is phenomenal.
Great recommendations, I love both films.
I remember reading about how John Wayne, when he was a young actor just getting started, saw Wyatt Earp visiting a movie set, and Wayne started imitating the way Earp walked and talked, so watching John Wayne, you are getting to see a bit of what Wyatt Earp was like!
I read that as well, but I think I also read that that was a made up rumor. That they supposedly never met. 🤷🏽♂️
@@GutslingerYeah, it seems I read something that it might have been that Wayne heard all about Earp from John Ford who was around him.
It's like the "Mr. Rogers was a skilled sniper in Vietnam, and wore sweaters to cover all his tattoos!" myth. Unless there's some actual proof, it most likely is made up.
Though with Earp involved with movies around the time Wayne was getting started, that does leave some chance it is true, though without a photo, or some mention from the time, there'll never be any proof.
Such a great Western, beautifully filmed and with so many talented actors, but Val Kilmer is outstanding and unforgettable as how he portrayed Doc Holliday.
Laudanum is opium & alcohol and addictive.
One of my favorite Westerns is the original, The Magnificent Seven (1960). I also recommend Little Big Man (1970), Dances With Wolves (1990), Open Range (2003), Unforgiven (1992), The Cowboys (1972), True Grit (1969) & the even better remake (2010). My husband's personal favorite Silverado (1985). Of course there are the Spaghetti Westerns that are so famous: A Fistful of Dollars (1964), For a Few Dollars More (1965), The Good The Bad and The Ugly (1966), Once upon a Time in the West (1968).
Doc's comment at the end on seeing his bare feet was because he always thought he'd die with his boots on, killed in some altercation.
One of my favorite Val Kilmer movies is Thundeheart (1992).
Doc shot Ringo in the left temple which controls the right side of your body. That's why he holsters his weapon then eggs him on knowing he couldn't shoot him.
I came to the comments to see if anyone explained both Doc 1v1 scenes to the reactors - I get how some people could maybe miss it the first time, but missing BOTH? But you've not only missed the point, you've completely flipped it on it's head.
Doc fatally wounds both opponents he faced 1v1 but in such a way that they could still possibly kill him before they die. "You're no daisy" isn't an insult, it's a lamentation because now Doc is consigned to dying in bed rather than in an epic gunfight.
That's where Ringo was actually shot in real life.
It was an accepted belief that Ringo committed suicide. Which explains the lines Ringo after Doc shoots him.
Though it is odd that in real life, he was found with his hat on, and the bullet didn't go through his hat.
@@mattnewmark7607Exactly. Doc is looking for that one “Daisy” who will end his misery. He shoots Frank McLaury near his heart at the OK Corral, which was a mortal wound but might let him live long enough to kill Doc in return, but then Morgan Earp ruins it by shooting Frank in the head. Doc looks at Morgan with frustration afterwards (Frank: “I got you now.” Doc: “You’re a Daisy if you do.”). Then Ringo fires his gun into the earth, wasting his shot. Again, frustrating Doc. “You’re no Daisy at all!”
Laudanum is an opiate that people used to 'take for headaches', but once you took it a couple times, the new headaches were caused by the opiate addiction, jonesing for more laudanum.
It is true, Wyatt Earp was never shot, in his entire life. Legends begin as true events. Doc Holliday himself said Wyatt seemed... magical.
Laudinum was a common medication for basically everything , kind of like aspirin today. only it was made out of opium. as one might imagine it was calming , stopped pain, bus as it was made out of opium also quite addictive. ( that is what happened with Wyatt's wife)
ITS JUST HEADACHES 🤨
The old rancher they left Doc with was Charton Heston. Billy the cowboy played by Jason Priestly of 90210. Billy Zane from Titanic. Michael Rooker one of the cowboys who switched sides played Yondu in Guardians of the Galaxy I & II, Thomas Haden Church played Billy Clanton was The Sandman in the Spiderman movies.
His last movie.
Henry C Hooker (Charleston Heston) formed the first and largest ranch in the New Mexico territory. He was the most powerful man in the entire territory.
In truth Wyatt was never married to Mattie, she was an ex-soiled dove. Doc asked Wyatt at one part if he considered himself a married man. The brothers got their girls the same way. It is believed he did marry Josie.
Apparantly the River ambush scene is totally accurate....
As far as the fight in town, that was the famous 'Showdown at the O.K. Corral' that you might have heard of.
Fun fact:
The very first western was filmed while it was still the old west. The Great Train Robbery
Val Kilmer totally nailed this role. Every shot with him is just infinitely re-watchable.
There are two videos on UA-cam that do a good job talking about the history and one that compares the movie to the actual events. 1) The channel Biographics did a video on Wyatt Earp, talking about his life from as early as they can find out about to his death. 2) The other is a channel History Buffs, and they break down the movie as compared to actual events.
Alot of people dont know that Icke Clanton is played by Stephen Lang.
Who played the Colonel in Avatar 1 and 2, a major in Jarhead 2 and in Dont Breath 1 and 2, Conan, Braven (next to Jason Mamoa)
And the guy playing McMasters, actor Michael Rooker, also plays Merle in The Walking Dead.
Michael Biehn, Terminator 1.
Sam Elliot, We Were Soldiers.
Bill Paxton, Terminator 1, Predator 2, Twister, Titanic.
Frank Stallone playing Ed Bailey (yes, As in Sly Stallone his brother)..
I can go on and on and on and on...
Absolute best cast you can wish for.
Loved your reaction! For me, the only flaw in this movie is that they didn't tell us way earlier that Wyatt's wife died shortly after leaving on the train with Virgil and the other wives. He was not cheating when he went to Josephine.
Thanks for a great reaction! Subscribed. I too grew up in Arizona near Tombstone. The Bird cage theater is still there, bullet holes and all. Wyatt Earp's Saloon, The Oriental was, up until a few years ago, a clothing store. The Original doors to the Saloon are on display inside. Some of the script was taken right out of newspaper accounts of the day. Much of this account is true like Wyatt's fight with Curly Bill in the creek. Other parts like the Doc Holiday - Ringo fight may be as Ringo was found dead under a tree. As of a few years ago the Clanton's and Earp's still disliked each other and lived in Tombstone. I interviewed a direct descendant of Ike Clanton and he had nothing good to say about the Earps. Wyatt Earp III played a cowboy in the gunfight at the OK Corral.
The film is pretty accurate in many ways, and wildly romantic in others. At around the same time this film came out, another film called Wyatt Earp came out starring Kevin Costner as Wyatt. That film is more of a film biography.
I was born and raised in Arizona, and all of the legends of the Earps, Doc Holliday, The Clantons, and McLaurys...all of it was floating around me as a kid.
The Gunfight at the OK Corral took place October 22, 1881 at around 3:00 PM, and took all of 30 seconds. It was the most defining moment in Wyatt Earp's life...as was the Earp Vendetta Ride depicted in the film after the OK Corrall.
Maddie was not married to Wyatt. They lived together long enough for her to be considered his common law wife. Their relationship was already on the downhill slope due to her addiction to laudinum, which was mostly opium for her headaches (personally, I would venture Maddie suffered from migraines). One person who never spoke ill of Maddie after her death was Josephine. In fact, Josephine and Wyatt never married, although they claimed they did...no record exists. Wyatt's wife, Urilla, died very young and tragically, hitting him hard. He never married another woman, but Maddie and Josephine were his longtime companions.
Val Kilmer was cheated of a nomination, however the field that year for Best Supporting Actor was fierce. Tommy Lee Jones won for The Fugitive, but also nominated were Ralph Fiennes (Schindler's List), Pete Postlewaite (In the Name of the Father), Leonardo DiCaprio (What's Eating Gilbert Grape), and John Malkovich (In the Line of Fire) and all of them were stunning performances as well. If anything, Kilmer was probably just shy of enough votes placing him in the top 10 considerations for that year, but those five were the ones that made the list.
Ironically, Kurt Russell's son, Wyatt Russell, was not named so because of the movie Tombstone, as Wyatt was born in 1986. Whether Kurt named him that because of his interest in Wyatt Earp, I do not know.
The poem on the tombstone reads Here lies Lester Moor, four shots from a .44, no Les, no more. 😊
Fight at OK Corral was real. It’s pretty much how it went down. And the fight at the creek with Wyatt vs. Curly Bill at the creek was real too. Doc had tuberculosis so he moved out west for the dry air. He looked at his bare feet and thought it was funny he’d die that way in a hospital bed. As a gunslinger, he thought he’d die with his boots on. Great flick.
It sort of revels a lot of Johnny Ringo's personality that the only shot he fired in the gunfight at the wedding at the beginning was to kill the unarmed priest because the priest was getting on his nerves.
Val Kilmer was in Batman Forever with Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones
The Academy shouldn't have snubbed Val Kilmer. He deserved an Oscar for this performance.
Greatest Western ever made.
The only part of the film that doesn't ring true is John "Doc" Holliday couldn't have killed Johnny Ringo as Doc was hundreds of miles away. Johnny was found dead against a tree and they never found who killed him.
Wyatt was a consultant on early silent Westerns. Several movie cowboys attended Wyatt's funeral in 1929 just 5 years before my Dad was born. My Dad just turned 90 in January.
There is also some inconsistencies with the OK Corral shootout plus holiday didn't die after ridding with Wyatt the vendetta ride ended in 1882 and holiday died in 1887
The city of Tombstone is in Southeastern Arizona, in a beautiful and kind of hidden part of the state. It has some of the most moderate weather in the world, surrounded by wine country and gorgeous mountains. Those scenes in the movie where you see the sweeping vistas were shot there. If you ever get a chance, go spend a few days down there exploring.
Oh and that story about Wyatt walking into the river during a shootout and living is apparently true. One of the cowboys that made it out ran to a nearby farm and relayed the story, and when they inspected Wyatt's clothes later they found holes in his coat all over but none on him. Divine intervention.
It's a crime that Val Kilmer didn't get an Oscar for this movie.
It's also a love story of two friends who deeply loved one another and fought for each other. We all would be lucky to have a friend like that.
All of the actors grew mustaches and beards except for Beehan. Like others said it is much more accurate than most movies. There's a report that a building was burning that day. But then they did the typical Hollywood thing, never ending bullets. Doc fires a 2 shot shotgun 3 times and then fires his 2 pistols far more than the 12 rounds they had. Curly Bill did the same in the street.
The Wild West feels like it was a lot longer ago than it actually is. Wyatt Earp died in 1929. My grandmother was 7 years old.
Val Kilmer's performance in Tombstone and The Doors is legendary!
Awesome reaction of my favorite Western movie!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
We might do more Westerns soon!
Wyatt and Maddie weren't married. That's why Doc asked Wyatt if he considered himself to be a married man.
If you Co-Habitated for a Year in most States, it was called a "Common-Law Marriage"! ,
Classic 90's movie Platoon
I've been to Tombstone. I lived nearby in Sierra Vista many years ago. I've seen the Tombstone
Here lies Lester Moor, four slugs from a 44. No les (not legs), no more. It's a play on his name and the number of times he was shot.
I absolutely LOVE this movie. Val stole the show with his portrayal of Doc. The scene in the saloon with the gun-slinging, - Doc copied the guy move by move, even in his ill and inebriated state. The leader of the cowboys saw it...and realized just how deadly Doc really was.
Big Nose Kate, Doc's lady of questionable repute - she wasn't trying to kill him. She knew he could not be contained. She knew he wouldn't take advice, and would do as he bloody well pleased. He knew he was going to die. He wanted to do it standing up in his own boots. (which leads to him laughing as he looked down at his bare feet in the bed at the end of the movie.)
37:20 - "Is he crazy?" - Not necessarily but this scene (although it appears to be plot armor) showcases the fact that Wyatt was never injured by a bullet during all the gun fights in his life.
The Gunfight at the OK Corral was a famous gunfight that was the focus of many westerns. Doc got his nickname because he got a degree in dentistry at the age of 20. This fantastic cast grew their own mustaches except for Sheriff Behan, who has another role to close to filming this & didn't have time to grow one. There is a saying from the old west "they died with their boots on" meaning they died fighting. That's why Doc made the comment when he saw he was barefooted. He always thought he would die fighting.
I'm not sure if anyone's said this, but that river scene where Curly Bill died actually happened. According to not only Wyatt's compatriots but the Cowboys that survived the ordeal, it seemed as though the bullets were just flying through Wyatt without actually touching him. Also fun fact: in all the shootouts Wyatt found himself in during his life, he was never even grazed by a single round
A little history. The Cowboys were mainly former southerns who came out west, looking for a life after the American Civil War. The Earp brothers were Northerns, who also came out West looking for a new life.
The Cowboys main means of cash generation, was cattle rustling. Sheriff Behan was crooked, and on the take from The Cowboys.
So later on in the movie, when you see Sheriff Behan and The Cowboys riding together. That happened in real life, because Sheriff Behan had deputized many of The Cowboys.
Where as the Wyatt Earp and his allies got deputized by the U.S. Marshalls Service.
So in reality, all of the gunfights after the O.K. Corral. Wasn't because of lack of Law Enforcement. Both sides were deputized as Law Enforcement officers.
Now isn't that a daisy.
Some great 90's movies: Heat, Falling Down, The Game, Casino, Sneakers, Ghost in the Shell (the original), Austin Powers, Clerks, Groundhog Day, The Big Lebowski, La Vita e Bella, La Haine.
1:55 - "Where are the cops???". . . Gotta be one of the cutest reactions to an old time Western movie I've heard!
The photo scene right before the shootout is an actual photograph of Josephine Marcus. It’s cool that they captured that moment in the film.
I’d classify this as a modern Western. The next best is the remake of The Magnificent Seven, but Young Guns is a top tier modern Western. And The Quick and the Dead is a goofy but entertaining modern Western with damn good cast.
I love when Ringo says, "Hell, I was just funning."
Doc responds, "I wasn't"
If I remember correctly, Wyatt and Mattie was never actually married. They had what was at the time called a Common Law Marriage. When a couple lives together and presents themselves as a married couple, but haven't actually gone through the legal ceremony.
Common Law marriage still exists legally in some states, it governs splitting assets in long term relationships with cohabitation but without legal marriage.
@adgato75 Didn't realize it still existed. Thanks for the info.
Billy Bob Thornton is a sick actor. Three years after this film, he starred in Sling Blade and he looked and spoke like a completely different person. Check out Sling Blade if you have not scene it, great film.
Great film!!!!
Doc absolutely was a man with nothing to lose. He was dying from tuberculosis, so that gave him an edge in desperate or dangerous situations. A man with his skillset is a dangerous one indeed.
"You're no daisy at all, Johnny!"
Doc wasn't taunting Johnny. He was WANTING Johnny to kill him, too. Better to die a legend, taking out your rival as he takes you out, than dying without your boots on in a Colorado sanitormium.
THANK YOU. Had to scroll way too far to find this. Doc tried the same thing at the OK Corral "You're a daisy if you do." I've yet to see a reactor to this movie inherently get that Doc wants to die.
@@mattnewmark7607I think most people don't realize this because.... well, they're healthy! Having a fatal disease and dying a little bit a time sucks. Might as well go out swinging and doing the things you love (gambling, getting into gunfights with the Earps, etc). And if you happen to die in a shootout? Perfect. Now you'll live forever in wild west history.
Healthy people don't typically understand this mindset.
Highly recommend you watch these two epic movies, Ben Hur and The Ten Commandments, starring Charlton Heston. He is a famous actor who played Henry Hooker in Tombstone. He was a fine, upstanding man in real life, too -very well respected.
Doc left this life in a Sanitorium (Hospital) in Glenwood Springs, Colorado where you can still go see his final resting place.
Other actors some people don’t notice in this film are: Powers Boothe plays Curly Bill. Henry Hooker (rancher) is played by Charlton Heston. Ed Bailey (the gambler Doc knifed) is Frank Stallone (Sylvester’s brother). Jason Priestley is Billy Breckinridge. The Actor is Billy Zane from Titanic. McMasters (the Cowboy that switched sides) is Michael Rooker who played Daryl’s brother Merle in The Walking Dead. Johnny Tyler (the dealer Wyatt slapped around) was played by Billy Bob Thornton. FUN FACT: Billy Claiborne was played by Wyatt Earp, a distant relative of THE Wyatt Earp.
At the time this was made Heston was a bigger legend than everyone else combined.
@@tomloft2000 absolutely.
Don't forget Thomas Hayden Church from Wings, Sideways.
I rode through Glenwood Springs, CO on my motorcycle awhile back. I visited Doc Holliday's memorial at the Linwood Cemetery. Interesting note is that no one knows exactly where he is buried at there. There is even speculation that his family secretly had his remains exhumed and re-buried at an unmarked grave in Oak Hills Cemetery in Griffin, Georgia. (Although there is no evidence of this, just hearsay)
Absolute best line! "Lets have a spelling contest." So funny!
This was my great grandpas favorite favorite movie he would watch it all the time it always reminds me of him and snuggling up close with hot chocolate and watching all his old movies lol
that is a core memory
That is just priceless
@@mikekay3313 absolutely and at the one part where Wyatt is like no, and stands up and start shooting everyone, he would always get all giddy and be like you know that actually happened I’ve not researched it but it’s cool if it did lol
A whole lot of really cool history behind this story, I actually grew up in the town Doc died and was buried in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. so naturally I always heard and was fascinated by the legends and stories that came out of that time period and region, there is nothing else quite like the "Wild West" and I would absolutely love to see you explore the genre and the history behind the films that make it so uniquely special!
Such a good reaction. Thanks!
I believe the real life Ike wasnt actually a cowboy, just friends with them.
Doc was the epitome of Live Every Day Like It’s Your Last.
There were I think two other brothers of Wyatt there and originally they tried to start a stage coach business or something but it didn’t go well so they sold it.
Mattie was a former sex worker. She probably did suffer from migraines, but her laudanum addiction certainly wasn't helping.
Doc was originally a dentist! He had tuberculosis and there was nothing he could do but try to live in a dry climate. Gunfighter, gambler, outlaw, and best friends with the most famous lawman in the West. His girlfriend Kate was an absolute bad-ass too. She had chosen to be a sex worker for the independence. She was more than capable of holding her own in a fight with the men around her. She was also a gambler and outlaw. She lived until about 90 in 1940, outliving everyone.
16:38 She's actually addicted to the opium in the laudinum. The headaches are a classic symptom of withdrawal. The addiction is exactly why she isn't willing to see a doctor about her headaches; she doesn't want to take the chance that the doctor will tell her or Wyatt what is actually wrong.
Fantastic reaction! One of the best movies of the 90s!!! I love how honest and emotional your reactions are. Plus you guys are super intelligent, and pick up on a lot of interesting parts of the text. Keep on watching :)
The last cowboy to be shot at the O.K. Corral in the movie is Wyatt Earp III, descendant of the real Wyatt Earp
Wyatt Earp had no children so he can’t be a descendant 😂😂
Tombstone was mostly filmed in Old Tucson, which today acts as a sort of theme park, similar to the renaissance fair. (But smaller and western themed) It's an old western town in the middle of nowhere and Hollywood used it often for old western movies.
you can still visit the original OK Corral and see all the bullet holes. If anyone is a western enthusiast I suggest they do; they even do stuntman reenactments of it. Then again this was almost 20 years ago so I dont know...
Also the full story and politics behind the "cowboys" (known as the Clanton-McLaury Gang) is really interesting. Its almost game of thrones level political. I suggest people read up on that if theyre interested in the time period and want extra lore lol
To give a little perspective as to how recent the events of Tombstone were, John Wayne (the famous Western actor) was a pallbearer at Wyatt Earp's funeral.
My uncle lived in Dodge City, Kansas when I was a kid, and every year they had a Wyatt Earp festival where they celebrated the good he did for Dodge City and held a reenactment of the shootout at the O.K. Corral. There are a ton of cool vendors and stuff from local artisans, and it's a really cool time if you're into the history of the Old West. I don't know if it's still going, but it's worth checking out if you're ever in the area at the right time.
ETA: I highly recommend the remake of True Grit with Jeff Bridges and Hailee Steinfeld. ♥
Also the main street through Dodge City is named Wyatt Earp Boulevard.
Definitely look up the documentaries on Doc. He was a very interesting man. Wyatt talked extensively on his life (including on how Doc was one of the best gunman), and the movie followed most of Wyatt’s story about his time in Tombstone.
If you ever want to do another Western that's not really old, Silverado from 1985 is a very good movie.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
You guys should watch Young Guns next. Billy the Kid is my favorite outlaw of all time.
Michael Biehn (Ringo) also played as Kyle Reese in The Terminator.
6:13
"..no LESS, no more."
This movie was filmed on location in Tombstone, AZ, Old Tucson movie studios (location of many John Wayne films, Jimmy Stewart movies and hundreds of other TV shows and movies) as well as Mescal, a movie set in Southern Arizona. You can do a self guided tour of The Birdcage Theatre in Tombstone and see first hand the bullet holes in the walls from all the gun shots. The theatre was literally in business one day and then shuttered up tight, everything left in place as it was. It was eventually placed on the historic registry and reopened as a museum. Nothing was moved out of place or repaired (unless it was a safety issue and even then only done in the true fashion of that time period) so it is filled with everything that was in the building when this historic even happened. I highly recommend it if you ever find yourself out this way.
For what it's worth, Wyatt and Mattie were never actually married. She was hopelessly addicted to opium (laudanum is basically opium in liquid form), and their relationship was more or less over by the time they arrived in Tombstone.
Right at the start of the movie: "Where are the cops?" Those guys that got slaughtered at the wedding were the cops - Mexican police. Curly Bill says so, but the line gets lost in the general mayhem. The opening scene took place in Mexico, just across the border from Arizona, where the rest of the movie happened.
"There were no cops back then?" Well, yeah, there were. The whole rest of the movie is about cops versus outlaws. The Wild West was "wild" in part because there were, arguably, too many law enforcement bodies, and none of them coordinated with each other. You had town marshals, county sheriffs, and federal marshals, all independent of each other and seeing each other as competitors for money and authority, and no governmental agency with oversight over them. It was a recipe for corruption, as we see with Behan. Add in stretches of empty territory between towns and incorporated counties, which gave outlaws plenty of ways to avoid getting caught, and it was truly a lawless place, despite all the people wearing badges.
Some other details:
Mattie was not seriously sick. She was a drug addict. Laudanum was a tincture of opium, alcohol, and some other stuff. It was a patent medicine you could get at most pharmacies, and it was highly addictive. Use of it was especially prevalent among women, because it was not socially acceptable for a woman to go to a drug den and smoke opium like Curly Bill did, but they could buy Laudanum anywhere. Back then being addicted was treated as an illness, not a crime, and addictive drugs like opium were legal. They were made illegal in part to try to fight widespread addiction. Sound familiar?
And as I do in most Tombstone reactions I watch, let me speak up in defense of Doc's girlfriend, Big Nose Kate Horony. This movie went through a lot of production problems and reworking, and most of the women's storylines got cut out. Kate came out looking very bad as a result. In reality, Kate and Doc were together on and off for many years. Kate nursed Doc through some of the worst bouts of his illness, and although the movie doesn't mention it, she was with him in Colorado when he died, helping to care for him. They had a tempestuous relationship. They fought frequently, broke up and got back together frequently. Doc refusing to take care of his health was one of the many things they fought about. In fact, they broke up over Doc's insistence on helping Wyatt with his war against the Cowboys even though he was so sick. I believe that Doc's hard-partying, gambling, and gunslinging lifestyle was kind of a quest to try to die of anything other than the TB, but he was just too good a fighter, so the disease won out in the end. He was never going to change his ways, and although it sometimes got too much for her to take, Kate never tried to make him change. Doc Holliday and Big Nose Kate were two interesting people who were in an interesting relationship. Not a fairy tale romance by any means, but definitely one of my favorite historical couples.
Great post, Jen. I'm a big fan of Doc and Kate too. Not role-models for sure, but fascinating and devoted. ♥
Thanks for sharing all of this, I especially love hearing about Big Nose Kate and her relationship with Doc. I wish we had seen more of her character and gotten a better resolution in the movie (although I understand cutting certain things for time/ pacing)
Bruce Broughton did the soundtrack.
He also did the music for another personal favorite movie of mine: "Young Sherlock Holmes."
The Gunfight at the OK Coral shown in the movie is a bedrock of Western/Cowboy lore for over a century. The name conjured up for boys and girls the legend and myths that made the American West like a mix of Star Wars and Star Trek for modern youth. There have been many movies with the shootout as a backdrop to a Cowboy gunslinger tail. 2 of the best was the John Ford classic” My Darling Clementine “( a true American film classic) and the wildly popular in its day, “ Gunfight at the OK Coral” with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas. Both are fun and have about 10% truth and the rest entertaining Hollywood Cowboy myths that perfectly kept the American West a modern fantasy.
Fun reaction and it’s really fun when both of you are having a great time.
When Curly shot Marshal White, he didn't die immediately. He lived for a couple of days, saying that Curly Bill was innocent and the shooting was due to accidental discharge. The actor who played Ed Bailey (the man stabbed by Doc) was Sylvester Stallone's brother Frank, and the man who played the cowboy Billy Clairborne at the beginning was a relative of Wyatt Earp, which is the actor's name as well.
It's amazing how much of this they got right, from a historical standpoint. There are a few cases, like the death of Ringo, that are more accurate to the legends than to actual history, but for a movie like this I don't mind it. It's a great jumping off point to get to know the real stories and the real men behind them. The scene with the "NO!" on the other hand, really happened from what we know. Wild.
My grandmother is buried in the same cemetery as Doc Holiday's mother.
I'll also say that if you like Kilmer, check out Real Genius. It was my introduction to the man and I've loved him ever since.