great video. watching it from Essen after spending a month in Germany, I will be heading back to the states next week where my new Mark II is waiting for me.
Great and extensive review. Regarding the read out speed being slower than expected. I presume the main reason is to preserve the DR performance. Slower reading usually means more DR
@@davision-entrue, i Wish companies would disclose more about those things. Someone said a good theory about the DR being the same but readout speed different could be due to a bit rate camera use at certain frame rates, I do not know if reading from 14bit and recording to 12bit could differ in DR much compare to doing 12bit to 12bit.
Thank you for your thorough indepth review for both these cameras. It just simply proved to me that keeping both would make a lot of sense. Especially as someone who loves portability and ability to have two photo cameras at my disposal in case it calls out for it during events and also the fact that R5C still shoot 4k 60fps downsampling and also better low light performance. There will be moments wheres each camera will still shine. Do you only use one camera for all your shoots?
I always prefer using the best possible bitrate for any framerate but the XF AVC S Codec seems to have more trouble playing back. Unfortunately HEVC Intraframe is for available for 4K.
Thank you so much for the fantastic comparison! Would it be possible for you to share the raw files as well? There are a few nuances in the raw format that I'd love to explore. I’d be happy to host the files if needed! Best wishes from a colorist in Estonia.
How would you compare the 4k60 sraw vs the hevc lined skipped? I’m really disappointed there is no over sampling 4k60. In the CVP test the sraw looked pretty bad
Great video, thanks for this amazing work! For the high ISO comparison, did you try comparing the 3 cameras at ISO 8000, and ISO 16000 which might « better » steps for the R5II above the second base ISO of 4000? Just curious if R5II still lags behind on these steps (as opposed to the comparison you did on the traditional 6400, 12800, 25600 increments which make sense and favour a camera with a second base ISO of 3200). Thanks!
Why should it be better at this stops? There is no Tripple Base ISO here. It’s just one Step at 4000 and then it goes constantly downwards and gets more noise with every. I haven’t tested this because I Usually compare hole steps. Not every in between just the ones important for seeing the base ISO switch.
@@kardemummabullar the ISO Ladder starts at 100, I go full stops up from there. But there is reason in thinking hole stopps of 8000 or 16000 away from the second base ISO should be different. It just goes downwards from the second ISO, there is magical step again.
Hello, dis you try to adjust the sharpening in caméra via the cp file control, it is AT t'en normally but can be increase to 20 or lowered to 0 (there is also here a noise correction applied by default, and some other things, if you never found at)
Not at all, I have seen Geralds Video and don't see anything what contradicts my findings but he just did take a look at the R5 II alone, not comparing with Other Cameras at all.
Line Skipping is leaving out information’s resulting in worse details and quality. Oversampling is using every information the sensor has to bake it into a lower resolution file with nearly same details as the original 8K.
About your answer. You didn’t understand, nothing to worry about. I explain you again. As I mentioned z9/8 either have same speed or slower sensor readout speed than r5 in video mode. I ask you to dig deeper into this question and if you want to be professional. z9/z8 (data absolutely the same) has same or slower readout speed for video and faster for photo compared to old r5. That’s the data compared with old r5 because video readout speed data for r5m2 is not available now. Readout speed 4k60 z9 14.46ms, r5 9.73 ms, 8k30 z9 14.42ms, r5 15.59, 4k24 z9 14.46ms, r5 15.53. For photos right, z9/z8 is faster. 3.73 ms vs 6.3ms for r5m2, but r5m2 has mechanical shutter up to 12fps where readout speed equal 0ms without any rolling shutter with even better dynamic range. In video canon has 8k60, clog2 and raw. That’s why z9/8 is much worse in photo and video modes. Readout speed for video and photos is completely different for all cameras. So if Nikon z9 faster for photos it doesn’t mean same for video.
First of all be polite! That’s my answer for your question. Because Canon did the miracle with r5 mark 2. Z8/Z9 sacrificed huge dynamic range drop for faster sensor compered to z7/2. But canon did almost same DR sensor but in 6.3ms. The reason you have to mention this is superior R5m2 characteristic not to old r5 but to z8/z9 main competitors.
Finally the video comparison we've been waiting for!
Most stuff I've seen for these sensors def say ETTR. Helps with the color shift and noise.
Great video. I loved the detailed comparisons. Thanks!
great video. watching it from Essen after spending a month in Germany, I will be heading back to the states next week where my new Mark II is waiting for me.
Amazing video! Thanks for all the info.
What an amazing video. This had to be a ton of work. Super useful. Thank you
Great video ... hats off to you for putting this all together..
Incredible video Davision. I love your comparison of the 3.
Thank you 🙏
@@davision-en What camera did you use to film this video?
@@Maxiixam20 the R5 Mark II
That color shift from underexposed 8K RAW🤯
Great and extensive review. Regarding the read out speed being slower than expected. I presume the main reason is to preserve the DR performance. Slower reading usually means more DR
Could be, but the DR is same for 8K 60 RAW what reads out faster.
@@davision-entrue, i Wish companies would disclose more about those things. Someone said a good theory about the DR being the same but readout speed different could be due to a bit rate camera use at certain frame rates, I do not know if reading from 14bit and recording to 12bit could differ in DR much compare to doing 12bit to 12bit.
Great work! But also do you recall the tune playing in the background around the @5:05 min mark!
It is called Aves - Going Somewhere :)
Thank you for your thorough indepth review for both these cameras. It just simply proved to me that keeping both would make a lot of sense. Especially as someone who loves portability and ability to have two photo cameras at my disposal in case it calls out for it during events and also the fact that R5C still shoot 4k 60fps downsampling and also better low light performance. There will be moments wheres each camera will still shine. Do you only use one camera for all your shoots?
Thank you for such a comprehensive review!
Thanks really helped clear things up!
Thanks for your work!
Very informative. Thanks
Amazing content. Thank you for sharing. In your opinion which compression and format would you use for recording in 24 and 60 fps on the R5ii?
I always prefer using the best possible bitrate for any framerate but the XF AVC S Codec seems to have more trouble playing back. Unfortunately HEVC Intraframe is for available for 4K.
Is it true the 4k60 quality is not sharp as older models?
Did you even bother to watch the Video?!
Thank you so much for the fantastic comparison! Would it be possible for you to share the raw files as well? There are a few nuances in the raw format that I'd love to explore. I’d be happy to host the files if needed!
Best wishes from a colorist in Estonia.
Since my Upload is not that fast I think that would be not possible. Sorry.
Thank you
Thx David!
How would you compare the 4k60 sraw vs the hevc lined skipped? I’m really disappointed there is no over sampling 4k60. In the CVP test the sraw looked pretty bad
I have compared this in this Video, did you even watch?
@@davision-enI did I was just looking for more analysis, sorry.
Great video, thanks for this amazing work! For the high ISO comparison, did you try comparing the 3 cameras at ISO 8000, and ISO 16000 which might « better » steps for the R5II above the second base ISO of 4000? Just curious if R5II still lags behind on these steps (as opposed to the comparison you did on the traditional 6400, 12800, 25600 increments which make sense and favour a camera with a second base ISO of 3200). Thanks!
Why should it be better at this stops? There is no Tripple Base ISO here. It’s just one Step at 4000 and then it goes constantly downwards and gets more noise with every.
I haven’t tested this because I Usually compare hole steps. Not every in between just the ones important for seeing the base ISO switch.
@@davision-en Precisely, a whole stop above 4000 is 8000, and then 16000.
@@kardemummabullar the ISO Ladder starts at 100, I go full stops up from there. But there is reason in thinking hole stopps of 8000 or 16000 away from the second base ISO should be different. It just goes downwards from the second ISO, there is magical step again.
Do you recommend standby mode off or on? Which works better for the R5II?
What do you mean with that?
Hello, dis you try to adjust the sharpening in caméra via the cp file control, it is AT t'en normally but can be increase to 20 or lowered to 0 (there is also here a noise correction applied by default, and some other things, if you never found at)
Yes but I test default settings
Great video! Currently working on a video as well for the r5 ii
Interesting findings, many of them contradict Gerald's.
Not at all, I have seen Geralds Video and don't see anything what contradicts my findings but he just did take a look at the R5 II alone, not comparing with Other Cameras at all.
R5C battery life in video mode is significantly improved (it runs at least 50 % longer) with the new LP-E6P battery
Oh nice to know :) but the other downside still be the same. My bigges was AF when not in a predictable Studio Scene.
Excellent 👍 👍👍
There’s a difference between line skipping and oversampling right?
Line Skipping is leaving out information’s resulting in worse details and quality.
Oversampling is using every information the sensor has to bake it into a lower resolution file with nearly same details as the original 8K.
I thought the R52 line skips does it over sample from the 8k sensor?
@@JosephRossPhotography in 4K Fine is oversamples, in 4K 60 doesn't.
we want to see more 4k 60 footage ,.. that girl on the best I want see the details in whites ,........ ahah
Buy a video camera if you want to shoot video. Us still photographers would really appreciate it.
If you don't go with the time, you go with the time.
What did he say?
Hearing Problems? You should activate subtitles.
About your answer. You didn’t understand, nothing to worry about. I explain you again.
As I mentioned z9/8 either have same speed or slower sensor readout speed than r5 in video mode. I ask you to dig deeper into this question and if you want to be professional.
z9/z8 (data absolutely the same) has same or slower readout speed for video and faster for photo compared to old r5. That’s the data compared with old r5 because video readout speed data for r5m2 is not available now. Readout speed 4k60 z9 14.46ms, r5 9.73 ms, 8k30 z9 14.42ms, r5 15.59, 4k24 z9 14.46ms, r5 15.53. For photos right, z9/z8 is faster. 3.73 ms vs 6.3ms for r5m2, but r5m2 has mechanical shutter up to 12fps where readout speed equal 0ms without any rolling shutter with even better dynamic range. In video canon has 8k60, clog2 and raw. That’s why z9/8 is much worse in photo and video modes.
Readout speed for video and photos is completely different for all cameras. So if Nikon z9 faster for photos it doesn’t mean same for video.
You seem to haven’t Even Watched the Video dude.
How about your model?
What about my Models?
😂
Whats so funny? 🤔
Z8/z9 have much worse dynamic range than r5 mark 2. Why you forget about it?
I forgot about what? This is not a comparison with any Nikon and I praised the R5 Mark II for it’s good Dynamic range. What is wrong with you?
😂
First of all be polite!
That’s my answer for your question. Because Canon did the miracle with r5 mark 2. Z8/Z9 sacrificed huge dynamic range drop for faster sensor compered to z7/2. But canon did almost same DR sensor but in 6.3ms.
The reason you have to mention this is superior R5m2 characteristic not to old r5 but to z8/z9 main competitors.
@goldenstasgs you provoked the guy, and you expect him to be polite?
Nikon is 🗑️🗑️🗑️