Engine Run Didn't Go To Plan On Our Big Ship!
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About Sarinda - ML1392
Wartime Activities
6/44 Operation Neptune Invasion of Normandy
149th ML Flotilla
ML1295, ML1309, ML1383, ML1387, ML1389, ML1391, ML1392, ML1393, ML1407, ML1409, ML1421. ML1422
6/6/44 Channel Marker at Gold Beach on D-Day
Distributing instructions in the assault anchorage after the first landings in Normandy (Gazette Date - 19/12/44)
6/3/45 Captured a German Biber Type midget submarine off Breskens in the Scheldt Estuary. Eleven Bibers had sortied that day. Four were found abandoned along the coast at North Beveland, Knocke, Domberg and Zeebrugge.
One was sunk by gunfire off Westkapelle on 8 March and five vanished.
Post War Fate
1946 Fast Despatch Boat = FDB73
10/47 HM Customs & Excise = Valiant
1967 Sold = Frol - Pejo
1974 =Sarinda (Charter work on Crinan Canal)
1980-91 Extensive conversion to luxury motor yacht
11/95 Base ported at Liverpool
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Come on catapiler.... back up this historical prosject and warship with new parts.... good for your image! SARINDA with catapiler power.
Agree cat do the. Right thing cheers n beers Marty Qld Australia
It wasn't the starter motor that wasn't working...
It was the relay.
Take the relay to bits, and clean and grease.
Buy a spare for the parts bin👍
NO DONT REPLACE STARTER!!!! the contacts on the solenoid get dirty n you have to flick the starter on off on off fast to clear it from time to time! All Cat and Ford marine diesels get like that and they just need a service not replaced!!
Be nice if Caterpillar gave Sarinda some love wouldn’t it ?
We should ask m8.
Your sea strainers are a joke for those engines. Consider looking up a sea chest and see if you could install one during your first haulout. Much more capacity for water flow, valving, and clearing of the much larger strainer.
Not until the boat is out of the water I suspect, not much capacity for new thruhull work on a mud berth.
@@TheBeaker59 , Read the previous post It clearly stated on the first Haul out / Pull out ,
Agree, the strainers are too small and the raw water feed pipe also too small a gauge
Those sea strainers are barely fit for a inboard dingy
@@Harrybollox Harry love you re moniker cheers n beers Marty Australia
About the people telling you to run the engines longer. I was watching Sonne Farms this morning. The father laughed and said "for you wondering why we are doing it this way ... Because that's the way we did it"
The last liverpudlians that held my interest so well came out in the mid 1960s, here in the States. I was 15 years old at the time. Still a fan.
Love it, needed a good chuckle, thank you both - Simon’s face with spanner and starter motor priceless 👍
Nice! I found a plastic model of your project in it's original form. It's next on my build list!
You only need the starter motor solinoid. You don't need a complete starter motor. Its the contacts in the solinoid that are durty. If you pull the solinoid apart you can sand/clean the contacts and save your money for somthing that realy needs doing. Cheers Stew
Great PR! Sarinda with Catapiler logo on the outsides.! Come on full backing of the prosject.....
I am looking forward to the day that Simon has both motors running 100% percent and both of them looking brand spanking new.
Starters are easy. New brushes and a solenoid. Lots cheaper than new.
Don't even think about buying a new starter motor before you seeing Andy. He's a local living legend, when it comes to starter motors and alternators.
He's is between Hope and Penffordd.
I can't recommend him enough, he has saved me a fortune over the years.
As someone who's worked on Cats, I know a new starter will set you back a few quid. Here in America, it would be anywhere from 200 to 400 dollars. However, removing the starter and having it rebuilt will be significantly less. Hey, a new one would be the better option, but we all have to economize where we can.😜😜😜
I'd get a rebuilt spare for emergencies. Many other parts also. Nothing like having a replacement.
I see new skin fittings with a ball action. Also, I would consider bigger intakes to feed those engines.
Starter probably just needs a service.
Exactly what I was thinking. Pull it off and give it a good clean along with good quality graphite grease on all of the moving parts. The missfire could be a gummed up injector or a sticking valve. Both of which could be encouraged to function again with diligent use of a suitable hammer.
@@m1cxf "diligent use of a suitable hammer." words of wisdom.
A consistent misfire is usually a non functional injector (clogged or not getting a pulse from the injection pump. Diesel knock on run down after engine is revved is probably a dribbling injector. That can also cause hunting under load as fuel burns inconsistently.
Pull the suspect injector. If the tip is wet it’s dribbling. If it’s dry, check all the others. There’s a whole list of other tests that involve pressure gauges and all sorts of skills.
@@davidelliott5843 Guy i have seen the problem in real time on here. The delivery valve in the pump is bad.
Just a little love .....
Good old bit of Mersey mud, clogging up the pipes...regsrdless, her engine sounds sweet.
Plumbers snake. At least that's what we call em here in the Colonies. You should invest in one to keep in the engine room. 😊
When the boat is sat on the bottom the mud and dirt will be squished into the intake.
Give the starter motor a service and it should be fine however a spare will be helpful one the old girl takes to the waters.
Have stripped many a Caterpillar starter. Agree with all comments. Polish those contacts dont just emery cloth them. Time spent will reward you!
I could listen to the engines all day 😁♥️ 😉🙃😎 NZ
Great work tracing the raw water coolant issues 👏👏
Great to hear the engines almost purring 😂
Thank you!
Met you at the boat show this year and thanks for the chat. I have just removed a strainer @2.52 just like that one from a boat I had to dismantle this summer! Lovely piece of Bronze.
I always find it very satisfying when there is a blockage somewhere and when it’s down to a build up of crap and you can poke it all out
Mount a safety board at the door entrance, minimum of two pairs of ear defenders , two pairs of oil resistant gloves for both Simon and Gemma. Dermatitis and hearing loss are no joke. If you have to walk past the board to gain entry it will become second nature to put them on. Spent 30 years round that size engines, all I have is slight tinnitus . Not bad, but that’s after adopting a safety regime with safety boards.
The starter and solenoid can be stripped on a bench and cleaned . By the sound of it when you got the stater going, it just needs the contacts cleaned in the solenoid and a degrease and re grease of the starter and bendix , no different to a car starter just bigger..
Alternator could be old dry belts and dirty pulleys . If the belt is old , they dry out and slip. Remove the belt and restart the engine to check, again, just a bigger version of a car system. Another old trick is with the engine stopped, trickle some thin oil (penetrating fluid will do) down the back of the front pulley on the alternator and see if that quiets it down. If it does then you could tear down the alternator and replace the bearings yourself. I’m sure Simon’s done the above hundred of times, sorry if it feels like trying to teach you to suck eggs 😂
Anyway, Sarinder is looking fantastic with the new forward deck. Looks stunning viewed from inside , shame it has to insulated really. All that hard work hidden.
Remember the wiring has to be tinned copper for a marine vessel due to corrosion from the sea air. When the time comes, give me a shout and I’ll come and help with the wiring.
Thanks for offering up constructive advise and help. I am sure Robbins will appreciate it.
I got irritant dermatitis from mineral oils, times were different, we had an old guy who refilled the coolant, he liked it to feel it rub his fingers, we never checked the strength like they do now, people used to laugh when you put on safety glasses and rubber gloves, so easy to be stupid when young, only to suffer much later in life
That was fun! Looks,like a tiny sea strainer for the size of engine . Very nice you can rod it thru though . might be nice to eventually fit another one just above the waterline and maybe put a coarse screen in this one. 👍🇬🇧
Either put your wrench on the two knobs on the top of the cap or run a bar between them to tighten or loosen.
Well done on solving the engine problem 😊😊
Hi, I don`t know why but mussels like to attach around the engine inlets.
In the US it's about $200 to completely go through a starter. They will last indefinitely if properly cared for.
As everyone else has said those raw water filters are not good.
Pull off the starter solenoid. Those contacts points are badly damaged. You may file/ clean the contacts. Till you can afford a new starter.👍🏻💯
Just hearing these engines burst into life is an absolute delight, always!
Don’t put too much strain on the seacock top when unscrewing from the body! I’ve seen these things snap off completely from the hull because of dezincification. Gently does it at low tide if the condition is unknown 👍🏻
One thing I found out about starter motors cos it happened to me is they sometimes have permanent magnets that crack if you hit the motor too hard fyi. Wouldn't be surprised if there are rebuild kits for those but no good if the magnets are cracked.
Doesn’t matter what goes wrong - Simon always find a way to exhibit his infectious giggle. 👍🏼👍🏼🇨🇦
You both have an amazing number of skills. You work hard at learning the best way to do things
Engines sound in great shape ,agree about the starter Simon, just need to pull it and give it a good service
Those engines should get a load run from time to time, just one hour under full speed ahead should be enough to bring some heat in the oil to clear out the moisture and clean the injectors, you will also notice if you're ankers and lines are still in good shape though
not a surprise sat on the mud , i'd swap out that cheap plastic suction hose on yer intake asap .its prone to cracking when its gets old and has no place on a below water line pipe work.be a shame after all yer work too find her sat on the bottom .like has been mentioned yer intakes are well under size that they need to be .The intake hose tail on yer serviced raw pump is a bit of a clue .keep up the good work ,love the drive you have to keep this project going.
One more good video you did a great job finding and fixing the water blockage on the port Engine well done shipmates
it is real nice for her to come alive occasionally.
Those raw water intakes, strainers and hoses are too small to provide sufficient cooling for those engines. They might work at idle, but you will have overheating problems when running at cruise speed.
Ridiculously small raw water filter, hose, through hull. Also, are you circulating and filtering your fuel???? (fuel polishing). Have you been treating tanks with biocide? When was the last time new fuel entered the tanks????
It's worth renewing the bottom valve and water filter when you get Sardinia docked
You need to get a bigger water strainer, top above the water line clear top then you can see if needs cleaning. Also the top being above the water means you can open it without shutting down the engine or closing the seacock. Hope that helped I ken not at the moment but after you haul out. Plus you need to shut that valve down quicker.
That is actually the intake for the generator, and the sea chest had been removed for some reason before we got the boat, we have the same sea chest for the port side that is fitted to the starboard side
You could add a check pitcock to each of the outflow lines to check for flow....
It would be nice if you could put the original Gardner engines in it.
Love the Simon is so cool and confident are motors
Oh listen to them Engines from out side bubbling awesome funny when simon started it with a spanner made you jump that si lol great channel
Well, I'll go out on the yard arm and suggest a plumbers snake or a rotta rooter service ;)
Oh my that filter was full😅 good clean out
Austin Texas, just love your flicks.
It will be good to see the time when the engine room is being worked on.
Thanks, very interesting, and it gave me the info that I wanted. You already said you are going to have to operate the boat commercially. Someone else already noted that if this is the case, there are probably law(s) in place that say you will have to have a certain level of skippering qualifications. I also reckon you will need to have some pretty good insurance in place if you are going to have paying passengers - even if they are your friends and subscribers. I've no idea how much that will cost, but I can make a guess. Now, the interesting bit. The CAT3306 engine burns 20 US Gallons of diesel an hour at full power. So let's say you will be cruising at about around 15 GPH. At current prices, 30 Gallons at around 5 quid a gallon makes for a fuel cost of 150 GBP per hour. A quick guess on insurance - add 5 quid an hour. You are going to have to put money by for regular maintenance, haulouts, painting etc. So let's allow ten quid an hour for that. So, I reckon that 165 GBP per hour would not be too far from reality. It depends how far you want to go doesn't it? She'll cruise at about ten knots, maybe a little more. So the shortest channel crossing would take a couple of hours. So Dover to Calais would be about 300 to 350 GBP. To get down to the Med would be around 1000 miles, so 100 hours. It may take a little less, so let's say 80 hours cruising. Total cost to get into the Med would be around 13,000 GBP. That number sounds huge. Have you done this math yourself yet, what have I got wrong? Maybe you will be able to cruise at 10 GPH, but I don't know what speed that will give you. I would be interested in your thoughts. If I have got this wrong and am way off, I don't mind being put right.
Could you replace a section of hose with clear hose so you can have a visual in engine room way of checking water flow?
Opens plug hole in bottom of boat - what could possibly go wrong lol. (+ no spanners were harmed in making this video !).
Melted a bit yes but still working .
Suspect the starter solenoid is sticking or the Bendix on the shaft.. try a strip clean and lube, they tend to gum up and corroded a bit like horns if they haven't been used for a while.. old engines don't like to be left unused.. 😂🧙🏻♂️
lovely to hear them purr again.
Sounds like a bad contactor on the solenoid, just dismantle and clean the contactor. Starter sounds good and strong once it gets the current from the contactor.
You should be able to get that troublesome stater motor rebuilt/refurbished, just as good buying new but a hell of a lot cheaper.... xx
Looks like those 3306’s came from the long gone Bowmaker dealer based in Cannock in the days when there were three cat dealers in the UK dates them mid 80 ‘s I should think
Hi I normally get my starters and alternators repaired at Ribblesdale Auto Electrics in Preston .
I would buy a recon starter... AND get the old one fixed, and bolt it to the wall somewhere.
Hey guys.. there probably wont be too much wrong with the existing starters. I service and recon them all the time. Would make for a good video giving them a rebuild
Genial ingeniero muy buen trabajo. Greetings from Basque Country
I don’t think that sea strainer is the correct size for the application? Also the valves need to be capable of being closed much quicker to prevent flooding the engine room. What happens if you have a pipe burst and you can’t get your hand over it?
Keep up the good work folks. Soon be sailing.
Stating the obvious but pre-checks include raw water innlet strainer clear and seacock open
Thanks for the video. Bummer about the issues but hey more video material as if you need them. Carry on , I will watch.
you need to keep a drain snake on board long enough to reach to the hull
Always a few problems. But on the plus side, all these trials and tribulations will stand you in good stead when you're fully afloat and encounter an issue. You'll have a good knowledge and understanding of the engines and diagnosing problems. Now - come on Caterpillar, a bit of sponsorship would be great. This couple are trying to save a piece of history. Good luck guys😃😃
Those engines sound awesome. Love it!
In eighty years have the starters brushes and armature been cleaned? Carbon brushes contaminate the copper armature. A cheap file on the brushes. Some copper polish on the armature. Good for another eighty years. Inspect seals bearings gaskets. It won't cost you but a half penny.
Love the sound of big cats ⚓️🛠️🤠JB
Fairly certain that when you're sitting on the bottom, your intakes are sitting on the bottom as well, hence the muddy/grassy mess.
Are you able to back-flush (push water out the intakes) prior to starting the engines?
Hi guy’s the water strainer is the wrong hight to your water line the idea is that when you take the lid off no water comes out because it’s equal to the outside
I like the engine work.
Any Shell or ex Shell tanker men on here? Remember the Norrisia and how the engineers tried to empty the jellyfish out of the coolant water intake strum box! 😂😂😂😂😂
You can repair the old starter. should be easy
We used to have the same with our weed traps full of mud and weeds
Be great to see caterpillar get involved and sponsor this project
G'day from NZ....😊
When you engaged the port gearbox, did you hear a bearing rumble?
It's great to be watching your progress on you WW2 ship....😊
Problem solving at its best. She does sound nice guys ❤
Good job Gemma and Simon!
Oh-h-h-h that sounded nice! And forgive this question, but would AKIHISA hose clamps be a better piece of kit? Expensive yes, and none of us has likely won a lottery, but a friend insisted on that brand for his marine engine use.(I know nothing about boat repair as you can tell.)
I have to say, just looking at the engine plumbing is a huge intergraded system in itself. I would have to see, read and trace where each pipe, hose and connection comes from and to. But once it made sense to me, maybe I could work on those engines... Thumbs Up!
I do like the sound of big diesels 😍
Just take starter apart and clean it. You can do it!
great vlog keep up the great vlogs on channel boat looks well thanks lee
Now, back to the deck.😁👍
Nice goin m8s. Like the caterpillar engines. They make good Caterpillar Batteries too. Thanks m8s, nice fix Simon. Thanks m8s stay vertical Eh!
You need Larger Sea Strainers.....
This would be a good time to get both starters serviced along with the alternators..?
Thx for the vid.
I hope they never run away those engines can over rev combined with tack of use
The most interesting episode in a while!
You can get the starter rebuilt, or even DIY! they are not rocket science and all the parts will be available. It sounds like the switch contacts at the end of the solenoid are dirty, or the starter needs new brushes. If the solenoind clicks in but the starter doesnt run those are the things to check!
Phil
"Phil Whitley, My week this week" on UA-cam
Hi you two just quick question bearing in mind my boat skills are confined to a rubber dinghy 😂why don't you take her for a quick spin when high tide
You could probably get the Starter Refurb'ed, be a damn sight cheaper than a new 'un . . .
seems to me that the raw water intake reduces down to too small of a size for those motors
Nothing quite like the sound of a Cat ..unless its two Cats :)