I think he may have gone a bit in the weeds for those who are not golf nerds. With what I have kearned over last few years about equipment, this video seems very accurate and detailed about how a different cg driver with the same loft may give you better launch conditions for your swing.
@@davidcarnicom5635 Thanks for the feedback David. Is much appreciated. Main point of the video was really just to try and get everyone thinking about more than just static loft on the driver and it being part of a bigger picture. Hopefully that came across but think you're also right for us to bear in mind in future of keeping things simpler for those who are just getting into golf but would still benefit from some time on the launch monitor. Thanks again 👍
The only way to really differentiate 1° of loft is by robot testing. Humans are too inconsistent. Attack angle, speed, face angle to square. There's too many variables to consider.
I agree with everything in this video. I just had a fitting, and found that my launch was a bit low, and spin was a bit low, with a 9.5% driver, and that I gained about 10-15 yards switching to 10.5%. That was specific to me, and doesn't apply to anyone else, but having the correct loft for you, and for your swing, does matter.
In today’s day and age we should be able to put a driver on a robot with the exact same swing and change the exact same club 1 degree and get your answer. Same thing about who makes the longest hitting driver for an average swing speedy of say 95 mph. Set the robot up and let us really see, no more BS!
And nobody here has even considered the type of shaft we are talking about and changing from one type to another. A shaft change alone can account for a difference of 20+ yards
Depends on how efficient your swing / strike is. My driver is 12.5 degrees and goes around 270 yards in play 80% of the time. My playing partner plays 9.5 and drives it around 230 - 245 because he doesn’t have the same efficiency. More loft less side spin, hence why I play the Taylormade Burner. Best investment ever.
There are too many moving variables in this analysis. Why not use the same driver, and either adjust the loft or get 2 of the same drivers with the different neutral loft. Your conclusion that distance changed solely due to the loft is not accurate. Your spin numbers are crazy. First example differs by almost 1500rpm (sim vs ping). This is why the distance was different. Conclusion about swing speed is irrelevant. In the second example, using the same sim driver, your spin dropped to 1019 (a change of over 1000rpm with the same driver !!!). This is obviously a mishit. A spin of 1019 is awful. That's almost an impossible number to hit consistently. Overall a great idea for a video that is absolutely terribly executed, making any conclusions worthless.
I use a low spin head the Callaway ST Maxx LS I have it set to 11.5 I Tee It Up High and it has a nice launch and stays in the air forever with low spin with lots of roll I think it depends on what kind of driver head you use to like if you use a lower spin head or a higher spinning head like I said I use a lower spinning head with higher Loft and it goes forever
My swing is about 100 mph, averaging about 250 total with a Ping 10K set to 7.5, ball teed up max height. I have a portable launch monitor but didn't use it to tune driver. I'm just in places on the fairway that I've never been before. Good enough for me.
@@rolsguitars I've tried softer shafts but they tend to hook on me. I did consider a softer Ventus but even that will be a trade-off and I prefer boring fairways and greens golf lol.
I think the point of the video is that the static driver loft has very little to do with how far a person will hit a ball. Every swing is different and you can look at a PING chart for optimal driver distance based upon ball speed, launch, spin and angle of attack. Ball speed and AofA is your swing, while launch and spin can be significantly impacted by the club head and shaft. Spending $$$$ on driver and not getting fitted is foolish.
Spot on and hopefully that came across in the video. Main point as you saw was to aiming to stop people tinkering around with static loft changes thinking that was the answer without getting a fitter to help them understand what and why they needed to change if anything!
@@AndrewLane-pm2ro No worries at all. 👍 If you ever get a chance would be fascinating to see what your dynamic loft numbers were like with both clubs for comparison with the static lofts.
Really Depends on path of Swing. and Spin Rate. My Old Driver I had spin Rate of 4000 RPM which ment Driver acted like a 9 Iron with how quickly it stop. Moved to Paradym Triple Diamond with low spin Shaft and now get twice the roll out.. with same loft as previous driver.
Well........ remember loft up? Why? Well, because they put a weight at the bottom of the club but NEAR the front, near the face, as opposed to the weight at the back. THAT's what you have to explain, amongst all these models, where the weights are placed
My angle of attack is around +6° with mid to high 90’s mph swing speed. I get between 80’ to 100’ peak hight all with a 9° driver. I could use a 10.5° but might have to tee lower and swing flatter. I don’t have the wherewithal to get into all that with a new driver and I DONT have any faith in the variable loft hosel adjustments.
Indeed there is a direct relation between loft and swing speed ! And the cause is in fact , the spin rate of the ball ! The ball flies best at a specific RPM wich is generated by the loft and speed ! In order for a driver to go further than another driver of the same loft , it needs to be lighter and the swingweight slightly higher !
In American English, farther = physical distance whereas further is figurative or indicative of degree, as in to discuss something further. Are there similar distinctions in British/Irish usage of these words?
Thanks for the feedback 👍 Part of the point of the use of a different driver was to show the impact of a change of a driver’s centre of gravity location and internal weighting given the effect these items have in addition to loft. Appreciate though a lot of people would have liked to see the effect of a change of loft only first before those additional two items were covered.
😮😮 Static loft, loft, dynamics and bla bla bla!!! Engineering big manufacturing is really ruining golf today!!! Just hit the damn ball!!! Don't forget our greatest golfers ever used Persimmon wooden clubs and maybe a sand wedge with there regular pitching wedge, put that into your static analogy 😂😅🤣😂😭
I hear my father's voice ringing in my ears Ricky with your 'just hit the ball' comment. 😂😂 Love it and it's absolutely a fair challenge. I have found myself getting a bit too much into the weeds for sure at times going through the fitting process and needing to remind myself we're playing for fun. Tech isn't going to solve all our bad habits unfortunately! Delighted also I've still got my trusty persimmon MacGregor Eye-O-Matic in the house and still bring it out a couple of times a year for a bit of fun. Think there's a balance to be found somewhere in the middle now though between tech and the old-school practical 'grip it and rip it' approach👍😉
stop using different heads and keep to one company use a ping 9dreg and a 10.5dreg but use the same stock shaft then go to the the aftermarket shafts and you will find out that shafts are more important then loft....
@@GolfingFocus Go to a professional golf fitter to determined what loft and shaft fits you... People always worry about how far they hit it(total distance) when they need to worry about carry distance that is way more important... Ya 30-40 yards of roll is good but if you only carry 225 yards with a low lofted driver but with a higher loft you carry it 240 but only rolls out 10-15 yards the higher loft is better..
Couldn't agree more@@michaelfrench9597 in terms of going to a fitter for this sort of stuff. Hopefully that came across in the video but apologies if it didn't.
This kind of analyse should use exactly same driver, just change different degree of loft....otherwise the differences data can not be useing
Understood, thanks for the feedback 👍
I was thinking the same thing. Same head, same shaft, same adjustment settings. Just different loft. This would have been meaningful.
100% agree!
Changing to a different model makes the data meaningless imo.
I think he may have gone a bit in the weeds for those who are not golf nerds. With what I have kearned over last few years about equipment, this video seems very accurate and detailed about how a different cg driver with the same loft may give you better launch conditions for your swing.
@@davidcarnicom5635 Thanks for the feedback David. Is much appreciated. Main point of the video was really just to try and get everyone thinking about more than just static loft on the driver and it being part of a bigger picture. Hopefully that came across but think you're also right for us to bear in mind in future of keeping things simpler for those who are just getting into golf but would still benefit from some time on the launch monitor. Thanks again 👍
The only way to really differentiate 1° of loft is by robot testing. Humans are too inconsistent. Attack angle, speed, face angle to square. There's too many variables to consider.
So how would a regular amateur human player decide between two clubs if only robot testing counts?
I agree with everything in this video. I just had a fitting, and found that my launch was a bit low, and spin was a bit low, with a 9.5% driver, and that I gained about 10-15 yards switching to 10.5%. That was specific to me, and doesn't apply to anyone else, but having the correct loft for you, and for your swing, does matter.
That’s great news. 10-15 yards coming out of a fitting is a great result. Delighted it worked out 👍
In today’s day and age we should be able to put a driver on a robot with the exact same swing and change the exact same club 1 degree and get your answer. Same thing about who makes the longest hitting driver for an average swing speedy of say 95 mph. Set the robot up and let us really see, no more BS!
And nobody here has even considered the type of shaft we are talking about and changing from one type to another. A shaft change alone can account for a difference of 20+ yards
So there is no difference in any club or in any loft
Depends on how efficient your swing / strike is. My driver is 12.5 degrees and goes around 270 yards in play 80% of the time. My playing partner plays 9.5 and drives it around 230 - 245 because he doesn’t have the same efficiency. More loft less side spin, hence why I play the Taylormade Burner. Best investment ever.
There are too many moving variables in this analysis. Why not use the same driver, and either adjust the loft or get 2 of the same drivers with the different neutral loft. Your conclusion that distance changed solely due to the loft is not accurate. Your spin numbers are crazy. First example differs by almost 1500rpm (sim vs ping). This is why the distance was different. Conclusion about swing speed is irrelevant. In the second example, using the same sim driver, your spin dropped to 1019 (a change of over 1000rpm with the same driver !!!). This is obviously a mishit. A spin of 1019 is awful. That's almost an impossible number to hit consistently. Overall a great idea for a video that is absolutely terribly executed, making any conclusions worthless.
Taken on board, thanks for the feedback 👍
I use a low spin head the Callaway ST Maxx LS I have it set to 11.5 I Tee It Up High and it has a nice launch and stays in the air forever with low spin with lots of roll I think it depends on what kind of driver head you use to like if you use a lower spin head or a higher spinning head like I said I use a lower spinning head with higher Loft and it goes forever
This channel really, really, really deserves at least 10x more subscribers. Top, top, top class content!
Many many thanks for the feedback. Is very much appreciated!
My swing is about 100 mph, averaging about 250 total with a Ping 10K set to 7.5, ball teed up max height. I have a portable launch monitor but didn't use it to tune driver. I'm just in places on the fairway that I've never been before. Good enough for me.
Now try a senior flex shaft still your same shaft length. Pings Alta Quick is a good choice , then you just might get 275 , I did .
@@rolsguitars I've tried softer shafts but they tend to hook on me. I did consider a softer Ventus but even that will be a trade-off and I prefer boring fairways and greens golf lol.
I think the point of the video is that the static driver loft has very little to do with how far a person will hit a ball. Every swing is different and you can look at a PING chart for optimal driver distance based upon ball speed, launch, spin and angle of attack. Ball speed and AofA is your swing, while launch and spin can be significantly impacted by the club head and shaft. Spending $$$$ on driver and not getting fitted is foolish.
Spot on and hopefully that came across in the video. Main point as you saw was to aiming to stop people tinkering around with static loft changes thinking that was the answer without getting a fitter to help them understand what and why they needed to change if anything!
I have two Wilson D9 drivers - 9* and 13*. I can't hit the 9* any further than the 13* driver and it's less forgiving.😮
Interesting and thanks for sharing. Do you know the dynamic loft you are hitting both clubs with?
@@GolfingFocus Sorry, I don't know the dynamic lofts.
@@AndrewLane-pm2ro No worries at all. 👍 If you ever get a chance would be fascinating to see what your dynamic loft numbers were like with both clubs for comparison with the static lofts.
The loft number that matters is Dynamic Loft.
All is not equal therefore I refuse to believe anything you are saying unless both clubs are exactly the same!
Ok, thanks for the feedback. 👍
Really Depends on path of Swing. and Spin Rate. My Old Driver I had spin Rate of 4000 RPM which ment Driver acted like a 9 Iron with how quickly it stop. Moved to Paradym Triple Diamond with low spin Shaft and now get twice the roll out.. with same loft as previous driver.
Well........ remember loft up? Why? Well, because they put a weight at the bottom of the club but NEAR the front, near the face, as opposed to the weight at the back. THAT's what you have to explain, amongst all these models, where the weights are placed
My angle of attack is around +6° with mid to high 90’s mph swing speed. I get between 80’ to 100’ peak hight all with a 9° driver. I could use a 10.5° but might have to tee lower and swing flatter. I don’t have the wherewithal to get into all that with a new driver and I DONT have any faith in the variable loft hosel adjustments.
11 Deg for slower swing speeds. Depends on attack angle and the position of CG in the driver head. Lower CG driver head lesser the static loft.
FARTHER!
seems like half pros like 10.5 and the other half are 8.5 - 9.5
Indeed there is a direct relation between loft and swing speed ! And the cause is in fact , the spin rate of the ball ! The ball flies best at a specific RPM wich is generated by the loft and speed ! In order for a driver to go further than another driver of the same loft , it needs to be lighter and the swingweight slightly higher !
A drive here is on very hard ground. Therefore it rolls a very long way
Love your videos missed them
Many thanks for the feedback. Is very much appreciated 👍
In American English, farther = physical distance whereas further is figurative or indicative of degree, as in to discuss something further. Are there similar distinctions in British/Irish usage of these words?
Yes absolutely
Farther not further
Look at the spin rate difference
Yes, why not use same club? Any 10th grader in science class would tell you this not a valid experiment so data is meaningless
Thanks for the feedback 👍 Part of the point of the use of a different driver was to show the impact of a change of a driver’s centre of gravity location and internal weighting given the effect these items have in addition to loft. Appreciate though a lot of people would have liked to see the effect of a change of loft only first before those additional two items were covered.
@@GolfingFocus yep, too many variables for the simple human brain.
@@wayneriley7367 Noted. Thanks again for the feedback 👍
😮😮 Static loft, loft, dynamics and bla bla bla!!! Engineering big manufacturing is really ruining golf today!!! Just hit the damn ball!!! Don't forget our greatest golfers ever used Persimmon wooden clubs and maybe a sand wedge with there regular pitching wedge, put that into your static analogy 😂😅🤣😂😭
I hear my father's voice ringing in my ears Ricky with your 'just hit the ball' comment. 😂😂 Love it and it's absolutely a fair challenge. I have found myself getting a bit too much into the weeds for sure at times going through the fitting process and needing to remind myself we're playing for fun. Tech isn't going to solve all our bad habits unfortunately! Delighted also I've still got my trusty persimmon MacGregor Eye-O-Matic in the house and still bring it out a couple of times a year for a bit of fun. Think there's a balance to be found somewhere in the middle now though between tech and the old-school practical 'grip it and rip it' approach👍😉
stop using different heads and keep to one company use a ping 9dreg and a 10.5dreg but use the same stock shaft then go to the the aftermarket shafts and you will find out that shafts are more important then loft....
Agree shaft is very important. How do you think people best go about choosing which company head works best for them and then pick a shaft?
@@GolfingFocus Go to a professional golf fitter to determined what loft and shaft fits you... People always worry about how far they hit it(total distance) when they need to worry about carry distance that is way more important... Ya 30-40 yards of roll is good but if you only carry 225 yards with a low lofted driver but with a higher loft you carry it 240 but only rolls out 10-15 yards the higher loft is better..
Couldn't agree more@@michaelfrench9597 in terms of going to a fitter for this sort of stuff. Hopefully that came across in the video but apologies if it didn't.
If you are pass 60, use a 12 degree driver. Period.
But what if your swing means a lot of dynamic loft is added on top of the static loft? Wouldn’t 12 degrees then mean you hit the ball far too high?!
Switched from 10.5 to 12 and got straighter drives but less yardage. Accuracy over distance for me.
@@andytreb That's great Andy and hope the increased accuracy translates to the scorecard 👍
Great vlog as always please keep them coming. Always great food for thought and instructive. C
Many thanks Charles. Delighted you enjoyed the video 👍
rule of thumb: 1 degree stronger the ball will go about 3 yards further
For every single golf without fail?
@@GolfingFocus don't new silly, i said about 3 yards
Mine is 9.5,i hit it about 340 yards even though it seems i hit it high