I'm a TrueNAS guy, but I have to admit that enjoyed playing around with OpenMediaVault -- my first NAS build, years ago, ran really low end hardware and OMV worked like a champ.
While OMV doesn't support ZFS out of the box, there is a plugin available to add ZFS management to the web UI. OMV is just debian underneath, if you know what you're doing, it's a very flexible solution.
I used OMV 5 for quite a few years and it was pretty solid. Mapping folders for docker containers was a pain but everything else was very good and performance was great! I will have to check out the newest OMV to see what the improvements are. For now using truenas scale and liking it very much! I do want to play around with casa OS too.
Loving UnRAID so far, imagine it’s not ideal for enterprise type stuff. But as a home hobbyist it’s awesome as it’s very capable without being overly complex. But it does have just enough complexity that it’s been good fun learning stuff.
I use OMV and I very rarely use the cli, once you install the OMV Extras, you can do virtually all NAS stuff. It's got a brilliant docker plugin, which does away with portainer, built in editing of compose files, backup and restore built in. OMV has a KVM plugin, to do virtual machines and lxcs. A kubernettes plugin has just been added. You can use the ZFS plugin as well. I like OMV as a JBOD box, with a AMD5600, it does my cctv and a stack of containers. I don't think the bigger UA-cam channels give OMV a fair crack of the whip, for a free project that runs on such a large hardware base, it's too easily dismissed, plus there are very good guides and a active and helpful forum. It will be interesting to see if truenas still makes docker a mess going forward, but I'm not sure their docker system will be as good as the compose plugin for OMV.
Nice I look forward to it. With OMV 7, it really has come on. I know people moan about using 'plugins', but that means if you don't want docker or KVM, then you don't need to have it as part of the system. Please give it a really good run up, I think it might change some peoples mind, for me it's extremely robust, a tight system and reliable.
You and about 10 others! Most of the videos on nascompares are the result of user requests tbh, as I've never found an algorithm better than just reading the comments section! Is that lazy? Hope it doesn't sound that way. This vid was also the result of questions/comparison queries following the HexOS video a month ago.
@@nascompares that is very smart! I've been watching a lot of YT videos about the algorithm topic recently as I'm building a YT channel for my 5 year old daughter and that's what a LOT of people say works best, to interact and to talk about what people ask. :) Have my own question, but will post as another comment... Gotta stroke that algorithm 😂
Just gonna throw it out there I would love to see you make some content on casa/zima OS. I recently got the UGREEN kickstarter nas and while I really like the base that they have with UGOS there are way to many people reporting data loss and security issues for me to trust my data on it. So this was the perfect video for me to see and get started but if you make more content around it that would be sweet.
I vote for Rockstor. It's a lot easier to add and remove disks from a pool, deal with existing filesystems on drives and manage LUKS encryption, compared to OMV.
I 10000% agree on the need for some sort of storage wizard with Unraid. I’ll bet they lose a lot of potential customers at this step because it’s not clear exactly what you need to do to, you know, get the storage set up on your NAS. Even basic stuff like clearing/formatting disks is more arcane a process than it should be.
I don't agree at all. The major benefit with Unraid is the community and the vast availability of guides on UA-cam. Sorry to say but if you can't setup Unraid following the guides , you should probably stick to your overpriced cloud storage like iCloud and Google Drive
@@Hansen999 So they make it arcane to fluff the ego of people like you, or it's just something they haven't gotten around to yet. I'd bet on the latter. Synology and QNAP just do it better and there's no reason Unraid can't do something similar.
True charts is a dead project now. Truenas scale is moving to have native docker support in the next release. Another alternative to casa os is Cosmos.
Was considering TrueNas given the great hardware with Ugreen but apparently "not ready for primetime" software and watched your and several other creator's Install and setup guides i'll be honest, It was way more than i wanted to do. It's not that it was above my capability. It was above my interest in amount of time i want to spend and learning curve i want to scale. I'll have to check out unraid but man ritght now i'm definintely leaning towards something easier or a qnap system or maybe synology will wake up and stop releasing shite cpus for regular consumers.
@@BrianPhillipsSKSif your drive fails, you can switch it to another one on your own once a year but any more than that it requires you to contact support. The good thing is if it fails, you just use a backup and there is no data loss since the file system is on your actual hard drives.
@@BrianPhillipsSKSbuy a handful of cheap Chinese USB 2.0 sticks. Use the manufacturer's factory provisionimg tool to change their VID PID and serial number to a value you like. Problem solved.
I haven't tried the three mentioned in this video. I really wanted the simplicity of Synology software, but with my own hardware (i5 14500, 32GB RAM, and more) I hosted a bunch of stuff on Proxmox and used a saved Synology CM from a group (or dude) called HJS (dude on video sounds Scottish). ua-cam.com/video/Z6dO2RDOIRQ/v-deo.htmlsi=UczjvAtGyynvesPv I followed this video, but I'm not sure if the download is available anymore. I do have a copy of it that I could host elsewhere 😉 not sure of the legalities of using this tbh.
Tbh it's a combo of the legality questions + the update maintenance is a bit tougher than most novice users would stay on top of. But I see your point.
@@nascompares that was my question, how legal is it. I haven't seen much in either direction, but I can't imagine Synology would be okay with their main selling point being "exploited" by others.
@@KcajOfAllTrades As is, the "small" number of Xpenology users, Synology does not really care too much. If usage picked up to the hundreds of thousands or millions of users. That would justify lawyer fees and cease and desist letters. In essense, its not worth Synology's time or any bad publicity atm to make it worth doing. Anyone trying to make money of Xpenology would have a ton of bricks fall on them quickly, however.
@@nascompares ah, just found you video from 7 months ago. I'll have to watch that later. FWIW, I've been running Xpenology on a 2007 machine for about 7 years and it's been pretty much rock solid. My goal is still to buy a real Synology when I've got the extra $$$$.
@@BenReese any issues with facial recognition or the video codec add-on? I can't get either of those to work for some reason, but everything else is flawless.
I do not find Unraid to be user friendly in any way. Too many basic features need plugins. And this is coming from an IT Pro with nearly 20 years of professional experience and nearly 40 years (basically my whole life) using a PC. Relying on a USB stick as the boot drive is stupid and unreliable. Network and file system configuration for docker images is too Linux centric so it confuses a Windows Admin, and will confuse the average user.
I'm a TrueNAS guy, but I have to admit that enjoyed playing around with OpenMediaVault -- my first NAS build, years ago, ran really low end hardware and OMV worked like a champ.
While OMV doesn't support ZFS out of the box, there is a plugin available to add ZFS management to the web UI. OMV is just debian underneath, if you know what you're doing, it's a very flexible solution.
I used OMV 5 for quite a few years and it was pretty solid. Mapping folders for docker containers was a pain but everything else was very good and performance was great! I will have to check out the newest OMV to see what the improvements are. For now using truenas scale and liking it very much! I do want to play around with casa OS too.
Openmediavault is so good. It'd be nice if you could go into omv-extras and the plugin system in the future. The cli isn't needed for most people.
1:27 “I hate seagulls” would be an excellent merch idea. If you make it, I’ll buy it.
Loving UnRAID so far, imagine it’s not ideal for enterprise type stuff. But as a home hobbyist it’s awesome as it’s very capable without being overly complex. But it does have just enough complexity that it’s been good fun learning stuff.
My simple NAS setup is OMV for storage, file and user management, then CasaOS added to it for container management.
I use OMV and I very rarely use the cli, once you install the OMV Extras, you can do virtually all NAS stuff.
It's got a brilliant docker plugin, which does away with portainer, built in editing of compose files, backup and restore built in.
OMV has a KVM plugin, to do virtual machines and lxcs.
A kubernettes plugin has just been added.
You can use the ZFS plugin as well.
I like OMV as a JBOD box, with a AMD5600, it does my cctv and a stack of containers.
I don't think the bigger UA-cam channels give OMV a fair crack of the whip, for a free project that runs on such a large hardware base, it's too easily dismissed, plus there are very good guides and a active and helpful forum.
It will be interesting to see if truenas still makes docker a mess going forward, but I'm not sure their docker system will be as good as the compose plugin for OMV.
Tbh, after this video was filmed, I added "revisit OMV in 2024" to my Todo list, so hopefully will have time to hit this soon.
Nice I look forward to it.
With OMV 7, it really has come on.
I know people moan about using 'plugins', but that means if you don't want docker or KVM, then you don't need to have it as part of the system.
Please give it a really good run up, I think it might change some peoples mind, for me it's extremely robust, a tight system and reliable.
I was just thinking of asking this after your last video about unraid and truenas.
You and about 10 others! Most of the videos on nascompares are the result of user requests tbh, as I've never found an algorithm better than just reading the comments section! Is that lazy? Hope it doesn't sound that way. This vid was also the result of questions/comparison queries following the HexOS video a month ago.
@@nascompares that is very smart! I've been watching a lot of YT videos about the algorithm topic recently as I'm building a YT channel for my 5 year old daughter and that's what a LOT of people say works best, to interact and to talk about what people ask. :) Have my own question, but will post as another comment... Gotta stroke that algorithm 😂
what timing, the rest of the parts are coming in today for a DIY NAS I'm looking to build for the 1st time. using your Jonsbo N3 800usd template BTW.
Just gonna throw it out there I would love to see you make some content on casa/zima OS. I recently got the UGREEN kickstarter nas and while I really like the base that they have with UGOS there are way to many people reporting data loss and security issues for me to trust my data on it.
So this was the perfect video for me to see and get started but if you make more content around it that would be sweet.
Nice breakdown Robbie. How about a low power NAS series? I'd love to see you build OMV on a phone.
Thanks for this ! So if i want a NAS OS to use a box with HDDs into it and not any other software, OMV seems to be the way to go.
I vote for Rockstor. It's a lot easier to add and remove disks from a pool, deal with existing filesystems on drives and manage LUKS encryption, compared to OMV.
UmbrelOS is also a good easy to use alternative. Similar to CasaOS but with a better appstore
I 10000% agree on the need for some sort of storage wizard with Unraid. I’ll bet they lose a lot of potential customers at this step because it’s not clear exactly what you need to do to, you know, get the storage set up on your NAS. Even basic stuff like clearing/formatting disks is more arcane a process than it should be.
I don't agree at all. The major benefit with Unraid is the community and the vast availability of guides on UA-cam. Sorry to say but if you can't setup Unraid following the guides , you should probably stick to your overpriced cloud storage like iCloud and Google Drive
@@Hansen999 So they make it arcane to fluff the ego of people like you, or it's just something they haven't gotten around to yet. I'd bet on the latter. Synology and QNAP just do it better and there's no reason Unraid can't do something similar.
@@mustangthings No idea what you are talking about mate, but good luck fighting your demons🤞
Really need to change the icon to a seagull. They own your channel
TELL ME A'FREAKIN' BOUT IT
True charts is a dead project now. Truenas scale is moving to have native docker support in the next release. Another alternative to casa os is Cosmos.
Was considering TrueNas given the great hardware with Ugreen but apparently "not ready for primetime" software and watched your and several other creator's Install and setup guides i'll be honest, It was way more than i wanted to do. It's not that it was above my capability. It was above my interest in amount of time i want to spend and learning curve i want to scale. I'll have to check out unraid but man ritght now i'm definintely leaning towards something easier or a qnap system or maybe synology will wake up and stop releasing shite cpus for regular consumers.
unraid requiring you to forever boot off a usb, instantly disqualifies it as a NAS in my opinion
And from my understanding, It ties yr license to the usb stick too, so if you have a failure you have to contact their support for a new one
@@BrianPhillipsSKSif your drive fails, you can switch it to another one on your own once a year but any more than that it requires you to contact support. The good thing is if it fails, you just use a backup and there is no data loss since the file system is on your actual hard drives.
@@BrianPhillipsSKSbuy a handful of cheap Chinese USB 2.0 sticks. Use the manufacturer's factory provisionimg tool to change their VID PID and serial number to a value you like. Problem solved.
How secure are these fos for nas ?
I haven't tried the three mentioned in this video. I really wanted the simplicity of Synology software, but with my own hardware (i5 14500, 32GB RAM, and more) I hosted a bunch of stuff on Proxmox and used a saved Synology CM from a group (or dude) called HJS (dude on video sounds Scottish).
ua-cam.com/video/Z6dO2RDOIRQ/v-deo.htmlsi=UczjvAtGyynvesPv
I followed this video, but I'm not sure if the download is available anymore. I do have a copy of it that I could host elsewhere 😉 not sure of the legalities of using this tbh.
While I have OMV on Raspberry pi’s it is not the easiest for me. Found them very painful to set up shares. Truenas was easier to set up and manage
Any reason you skipped over Xpenology? Tough install, but absolutely blows the rest of the options away on UI once installed.
Tbh it's a combo of the legality questions + the update maintenance is a bit tougher than most novice users would stay on top of. But I see your point.
@@nascompares that was my question, how legal is it. I haven't seen much in either direction, but I can't imagine Synology would be okay with their main selling point being "exploited" by others.
@@KcajOfAllTrades As is, the "small" number of Xpenology users, Synology does not really care too much. If usage picked up to the hundreds of thousands or millions of users. That would justify lawyer fees and cease and desist letters. In essense, its not worth Synology's time or any bad publicity atm to make it worth doing. Anyone trying to make money of Xpenology would have a ton of bricks fall on them quickly, however.
@@nascompares ah, just found you video from 7 months ago. I'll have to watch that later.
FWIW, I've been running Xpenology on a 2007 machine for about 7 years and it's been pretty much rock solid. My goal is still to buy a real Synology when I've got the extra $$$$.
@@BenReese any issues with facial recognition or the video codec add-on? I can't get either of those to work for some reason, but everything else is flawless.
I wouldn't touch anything that Linus tech tips is involved with.
I do not find Unraid to be user friendly in any way. Too many basic features need plugins. And this is coming from an IT Pro with nearly 20 years of professional experience and nearly 40 years (basically my whole life) using a PC. Relying on a USB stick as the boot drive is stupid and unreliable. Network and file system configuration for docker images is too Linux centric so it confuses a Windows Admin, and will confuse the average user.