He failed the speech check which is really funny when you consider how much of a smooth talker Ani was compared to the intimidating menace that Vader IS
Vader is a slave to destiny he can't change the future padme will always die and he will always bring balance to the force regardless of how he goes about it
It's honestly not even that far-fetched. In Revenge of the Sith, some of the deleted scenes are still treated as canon to the stories that came later. The relevant one is where a young Mon Mothma talks with Padme and Bail about organizing a movement against Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, and if the need arises, organizing a militarized rebellion cell to combat his takeover of the galaxy. Ultimately, they do nothing right away, but in time, they started doing their own things as a disjointed allegiance of insurrectionist groups before forming under a unified banner as the Alliance to Restore the Republic. In The Force Unleashed, that banner just happened to be the Marek family crest.
The context behind each is what matters. The short of it is that for all his power Nihilus is pathetic. And that's why he works and Starkiller doesn't. There are many other reasons I could give but this is the main one.
@@thomasjoychild4962 I've always seen him as a force equivalent to a storm, but he cant tone down his power. He's really good on physical force powers, but weaker on spiritual force powers. I cant ever see him become a force ghost because of this.
This story was actually well written and I love the idea of the rebellion being accidentally created by Vader. It adds to the full circle of the chosen one and bringing balance to the force.
I had this Game on the Wii, and, well, i acknowledge that Version lacks Content, but man, taking down that Star Destroyer with my Hands instead of Controller Buttons was the coolest thing ever happening to Star Wars Games
@@oscarrazo5715 Did not know, and would not have cared had i known, as i had no Friends, so a rather useless component for me. And i am pretty sure the Video showed Levels that where not on the Wii Version, which i was refering to
“Without me, you’ll never be free.” I love that line, and that Vader briefly hesitates there. The whole story of this game is Vader’s ultimate opportunity to save himself from this man, who has him on a leash as a slave. But each time the opportunity is so possible, Vader’s own fear of change stops him and makes him backtrack. Making up lies, that he planned to betray the boy from the beginning, which he knows deep down is not true. Which is tragic.
Perfectly said. Also, the reason Vader took him in and trained him in the first place was because he ONLY saw him as an opportunity to break free from Palpatine.
Dude. Force Unleashed is unironically one of my favorite games ever, just on shear fun and nostalgia alone. I actually had the Sith Edition for ps3 and I think my collector card was the crazy dude from the second level.
I still have my collectors card haha. This game was just pure fan service and I loved it. I wish we had more games where you could just use the force to wreck absolutely everything in your path be they Wookiee or Imperials. Second game was weak, but dang there is just something fun about throwing storm troopers off of Kamino and into the oceans
My favorite bit sbout the Star Destroyer discourse is how it's indirectly addressed all the way back in Empire Strikes Back: "Master Yoda rocks are one thing but this... it's totally different!" "NO! No different! Only different in your mind"
ngl i played this game as a kid so many times and even recently, never noticed proxy did that, might have but it didn't register, it is a cool touch with him
people made fun of Sam Witwer's performance in this but hes the only reason the animated shows are good. also he gives the most realistic voice work ive ever seen in games.
I like how PROXY seems like just a more cheery version of HK-47 from the KOTOR games. Also, if I had a nickel every time a piece of Star Wars media had a wise and somewhat cranky blind master character, I'd now have three nickels.
My favourite thing about Star Wars is probably the concept of the clone army and how they unwillingly helped to pave the way for Palpatine's triumph, extensively explored in The Clone Wars. To this day Order 66 is one of my favourite events in fiction. I love to see when the whole war angle of Star Wars gets properly explored in dark, devastatingly depressing details. Also KOTOR in it's clunky entirety, for I am, unfortunately for me, a Bioware fan.
Anything to do with Order 66 *kills me* every time, that section in Fallen Order had me sobbing b/c the clones were just joking around with him like big brothers not two minutes ago! 😭😭
@@khanlusa I remember audibly gasping and muttering "Oh no" under my breath the second realization of what's about to unfold hit. Absolutely harrowing segment that got me very emotional. And the added context of the behavioral chips from the Clone Wars show just doubles the hell down on pure tragedy of it all, my god.
I actually loathe the changes made to make it an unwilling pavement. I think I hate it even more than what was done to Luke in TLJ. I think the behavior chips completely destroy the tragedy, because a narrative tragedy requires it to be a result of the failed journey of the victims of the tragedy. Not only that, but it tears out so much of the potency. It was much, much more impactful when it was a conscious choice. A decision made to obey that which they were trained to do, which they believed in above all else. If you think it unrealistic, consider Korean Air Flight 801 where flight staff knew they were almost certainly going to crash into the ground but in Korean culture you don't criticize or ever directly challenge your superiors so at most they would say things along the lines of "gee it sure is cloudy" then crashed killing 229 people. It's a far more poignant commentary, tragedy, & betrayal when it's a choice, it's far more sad of the fate of the clones when it is a choice, because the clones value loyalty to the Republic above all else & to them it is the Jedi who betrayed them. It is the Jedi who turned on the Republic to them, & so they doom themselves in their blind devotion. It has so much more meat to it.
@@pubcle The difference I would say is this isn't just a career or a job or just friends, this is *war*, people you've fought and bled beside. It makes no sense after years of struggle and shared hardship and creating bonds forged in the fires of galactic war that almost every clone would just obey the order of someone they've probably never even seen in person while still in the middle of said galactic war (droids weren't shut down at the time for most of them) to murder not just their commanders, but their comrades in arms who held with them through thick and thin because it was just in the rulebook.
@crushcommando8637 That’s why the “fire forged friends” of TCW kinda “ruined” Order 66, at least in the sense of the writers painting themselves in a corner where our protagonist troopers could no longer conceivably betray their Jedi allies without some contrived twist. Geetsly actually had a great video about the early CW comic series that showed just how BRUTAL the clones were in their unquestioning obedience toward orders & objectives. Civilians in the way? Doesn’t matter, the mission’s more important. An important enemy was killed instead of captured? Should’ve ordered for the capture earlier. Infrastructure damaged beyond recovery? You wanted us to win the battle, right? Those guys made WAY more sense as the troopers that would eventually become the Empire.
One thing about the star destroyer scene is that in the DS version of the Force Unleashed (Because this game was released when companies were making radically different versions of the same game for every different console) the star destroyer was actually just falling from orbit and Starkiller was simply redirecting so it wouldn't crash on top of him. If my memory serves anyway.
@@rhymenoceros3303 It has active engines in the novelization and the DS version has the ISD being damaged but doesn't specify whether or not it had functional engines.
Having only played the Wii and DS versions (both very different from each other), this walk through of the story felt like some Mandela Effect version lol
I've read that Starkiller was supposed to be Vader's name in the original script for A New Hope, naming the apprentice after him isn't unlike naming the lad "Vader Jr.".
I think that's touched on in the novelisation where the boy intuites or outright says that Vader took him bc he wanted a son (you know, after being led to believe he killed his own children with padme)
It was actually supposed to be Luke's name in the original scripts. Galen is supposed to be a photo negative of Luke/a what if version of Luke if he'd been raised by Vader so Lucas suggested Starkiller be his nickname.
@@starmancrusaderokay you are missing a lot of context here. 1) Skywalker’s last name was supposed to be Starkiller, not Vader’s. 2) Lucas was adamant the protagonist of Force Unleashed should be Starkiller and so the devs said they didn’t like it and asked him for an alternative. He said okay then call him Darth Icky. They laughed only to realize George was serious and decided yeah Starkiller works. I still have my old GameInformer magazine that has this interview with devs. It was clear George wanted Starkiller, and this was a great way to make the devs fighting him to see reason
That Juno's kiss scene on the Wii was terrifying, cause they didn't had close eyes textures, so they just stared into the abyss while kissing, that thing haunts me to this day
WHAT ARE YOU, CATHOLIC!? Perfection. I could have sworn the star destroyer was already falling out of the sky and Starkiller was just redirecting it. . . huh.
@@khanlusa Yeah, that's nuts cause I've never owned a WII, I played this on xbox, and I played it to absolute death xD But it's also been a decade since I last looked at it. Cultural osmosis really be something. Damn I love Starkiller.
@@khanlusa Engines are active in the Wii version as well. It's just a popular myth that people butthurt about Starkiller's power level spread around for years.
When Vader is throwing Galen around the room his breathing gets quicker (I don't exactly what this means, is he panicking or feeling guilty over hurting Starkiller)
He’s crippled and starkiller is making him actually feel tired unlike other Jedi, in the second game he gets Vader to wheeze while fighting like Luke did when they fought
My favourite thing about star wars is getting to 'debate' with my very nerdy housemate by gaslighting them that Anakins fall was Yoda's fault. She gets so flustered by it, its honestly funny
honestly with the way the movies are i believe it was more the yoda's and windo's fault than palpatine. like bro's mom dead and ya told him to just let his wife die as well. he aint got anyone left.
@@Kris-wo4pj Him turning to the dark side is for sure Palps' fault. But his loss of faith in the order is for sure the fault of Yoda and Windu and to a lesser extent Obi-wan
@@schmi2897 The only reason Palpatine could turn him as easily as he did is because of the Jedi themselves. If they had made some concessions then they would have been able to stop it from happening. Or if Padme was married by the time of Attack of the Clones as that would have taken away the main motivation.
@@irystocrattakodachithatmooms If Palpatine hadn't been there Anakin might have just left the order outright and just fuck off to support his wife and do whatever else and the galaxy might be much better for it. Of course the Jedi failed him I never argued otherwise. But it was only because Palpatine was there that he was able groomed into the dark side.
Just discovered your channel with the Crisis 1 vid, and you're really fucking funny! Love your scripts! "Darth Vader promptly redacted Dad Jedi from the Kashyyyk census." Made me cackle.
I remember the force unleashed game, and I do think that it was a good Star Wars story. I especially like how the story of Galen Marek tied to the formation of the rebel alliance against the empire.
My favorite thing about Star Wars is the mental fortitude of Jacen and Jaina. Those two kids should’ve been gibbering masses of neuroses by the time they hit puberty, considering how many times they were attempted to be assassinated or were actually kidnapped.
Wow. That tequila/bag of speed/Force Unleashed, donuts/morning after/Fallen Order thing you said.....that may be the best metaphor I've ever heard in my life,wholesale. Plus bonus points for being so apt.
Was this a lore exception? Yes. Did it still love and respect the setting? YES! Was it better than ANYTHING spewed out by the Evil Fucking Rat?! YEEEESSS!!!!!
The Disney brown-nosers are such great a hypocrites when they bash starkiller while they support Rey. The Mary Sue goddess proves that she is better everything than everyone and is even able to single-handedly prove that you can strike someone down in anger and still not submit to the dark side. 🙄
The creator probably won’t see this but if you do, PLEASE keep doing what you’re doing, I’ve been binging your channel the past week and I love the breakdowns you give and the content warnings are SO appreciated, love the content ❤❤
The Star Destroyer bit makes much more sense in the novel. There the ship is actually just falling, and Starkiller just nudges it with the force to change it's course.
In all fairness to the Jedi trope of "you'll be just like him" the Sith literally have a power to posess you and sieze control of your body, as a counterpart to force ghosting, even tho they can also kinda do that, in Legends continuity.
Someone oulling a star destroyer to the ground Whiners: YOU CANT DO THAT ,THATS ILLEGAL Abelpth an embodiment of all kinds of destruction that would make Palpy $hit his sith pants many times over exist and is only contained by 3 literal force gods trapping her in a cage of vlack holes kept there by a superweapon ( think it was a gravity weapon forgot name) Whiners: yeah thats reasonable
Tbf, there are quite a few steps btwn “can duel Vader on roughly equal terms” and “an eldritch god of the Force”, and I think “pulling down a star destroyer” might just be one or two steps above the former. Not enough to feel Totally unbelievable, but Just enough to feel uncanny on the power scale.
16:20 I love, LOVE, that this scene mirrors the slow back and forth looks Vader gives between Palpatine and Luke in ROTJ, with him suddenly snapping instead to glare down at Starkiller with the sinister strings in the background. It's the same choice, but the fear and darkness win this time. Who knows, if he didn't impale Starkiller and they actually fought together, they might have managed it.
I never noticed Proxy's mimicking Juno and Starkiller before. Great observation. I love this game, especially the Wii version. The additional levels are not only fun (Mandalorians on Basalik War Droids!!!) but on replays they tickle that long-time Star Wars fan in me since they're stand-ins for the three trials to become a Jedi: Skill, Flesh, and Insight. It goes to show that the Force finds a way to help make things right.
Note about the exploding Jedi corpses, in the books they show this happen with the death of a powerful sith lord (like with Shiev in the movies) and he explodes with dark force energy that nearly kills the protagonists post mortem. I think what's shown in the games here is lore accurate, on account of the explosion not being violent and a more "return to the force" concept which has been prestablished in Star Wars but not shown in this way before onscreen.
I think this was said In the past by other people, but I think starkiller *should* have killed Maris instead of letting her go, it would have made him more of a conflicted character whose role as the hero still wasn’t 100% locked in.
Omg I don't know how to respond to UA-camrs in the right way. But I would like to provide a funny story....My mother has played this series recently and she ain't happy about the lack of stealth game play......She also called me an" Casual bitch" for allowing me to act like a super solider and have more than 5 deaths while she watches me play on NORMAL mode........Mommma be harsh yo. Lol
MGRR, MGRR, MGRR, MGRR, MGRR. If you think this game is over the top and wild, you need to play Metal Gear Rising Revengeance! We must continue the memes the DNA of the soul!
There's a Cloud City level on the Wii where you fight a mandalorian warlord riding on a Basilisk War Droid, the droid was tough, the "Warlord" not so much, I force choked and force slammed him to death, he didn't even hit me once
A serious respectful relatable and honestly a perfect character in my opinion. Also about your last comment, nah mate I like both sides of the pie and that would hit anyone with a heart. The big difference between this star wars story and the clap disney puts out is that this has heart and soul and feels human
I've always like star wars in theory, when I read about the feats of jedi or force users back in the day of the old republic I was like "I wanna see those force strong users" this game gave me what I thought was missing from star wars, the over the top power usage. They would always just tease us with force powers in the movies and such and I always wanted more, I will forever love this game. And the costumes in this game were so fucking good, the new star wars game doesn't even come close
I love the star destroyer bit, because it's not exactly like he swipes it out of the sky. After several minutes of pushing and pulling and yanking, he pulls this massive thing though the atmosphere and drags it into the ground- but still wasn't able to stop it before it reached him. People talk about it like he could easily manhandle the full mass of a star destroyer, when it's more like he barely succeeded and has no expectations of doing anything like that, ever again.
For my dads 40th, my mom organized a suprise party that was star wars themed and we played force unleashed multiplayer on wii on a projector onto the garage door. good times
I feel like the main issue with him pulling down the destroyer is that hes still kinda young everyone else who did big feats was older and had way way more training it just feels kinda rushed for a cool moment I feel it could of worked if they said hey you know the layout of the ship remember the engine room reach out to the gravity drive/ engines and crush them. It wasn't even like a feat of rage either he just kinda did it they could of also had a few people die or something and it was just pure hate that pulled it down. It is a fun power trip game though no one can deny that
One of my fave things about Proxy apart from giving you the chance to fight Maul satisfyingly if not long enough is that he and his directive are clearly riffing on the character of Kato from the Pink Panther films who has standing orders from Clouseau to ambush him at every chance.
I enjoy your style of video, the pause between game content for extra context is good variety. And the subtle humor is a lot more enjoyable than the forced humor that you see from "dunkey clones" *cough* williaso *cough*
I love it when people get made at this feat, when yoda literally states that with the force you either do something or you dont. We literally have characters like Luke who is the poster boy of mc energy literally move multiple black holes at once. Moving a star destroyer thats moving under repulser lifts in atmo is nothing to the force.
15:15 I know of one instance like that SPOILERS for Thrawn triology In The Last Command Novel by Timothy Zahn , when the crazy dark jedi Joruus C'baoth gets stabbed by a lightsaber, the book reads: "With a last mournful Scream, C'baoth crumpled - And as it had with the Emperor aboard the Death Star, the dark side energy within him burst out in a violent explosion of blu fire" So a big explosion of force energy, tho outside the Force Unleashed I've never seen a jedi die and explode like that
These games were probably the only reason I cared about star wars growing up, and they were a fantastic gateway into character action games. Although I'm not reeeally~ sure this one's story holds up to scrutiny.
Loved this game n series. While frustrating trying to line up the ship to pull it out the sky, the visual effect of finally doing it was amazing. I was dishearten when he wasn't cast in the star wars films. Great voice actor as well.
Your choice of words had me laughing 😆 “what am I catholic!? Give me the gun!” 😂 you have found yourself another follower. Hope your other videos carry that wonderful and cheeky dark humour.
I was very surprised by this game. The outline of course is the Mary Sue with the overpowered main character coming out of nowhere, but apart from this the game is very grounded and respectful to the source material. It is like the game is saying "okay we are going to do ONE wild thing just to make the gameplay better"
I actually like how Rise of Skywalker explained that destroying the Emperor was nearly impossible and you just get cursed to turn into them like every apprentice turned master before them. It reframes every moment like the end of this game so that they’re retroactively very good.
God, I love Sam Witter. He is such an amazing nerdy actor. HE NEEDS HIS OWN SHOW. The story of this game made me go THAT IS CRAZY. The entire time. I was so happy when Juno kissed him near the end. Even when Force Unleashed II trailer came out where he is tearing up the ship around him as both the Jedi side(Yoda) and the Sith side (Darth Vader)of the force pull try to pull him towards their sphere of the force so to speak. Her saying "Will i ever see you again?" Which centers Starkiller which TOO THIS DAY AS I AM NOW 26 YEARS OLD STILL SENDS CHILLS DOWN MY SPINE. Again Sam Witwer NEEDS to run his own show. Please Disney.
1:20 This is a perfect analogy for the two games. Sure, one of these things is more respectable but tequila and speed is way more fun and that door was kinda busted anyway.
Sam Witwer is one of the best western voice actors in existence. Someone who's largely realized animation breaks the limits of live action. He'd be a star in Japan, too.
15:05 you mention that here she explodes upon death, and thats never before seen, but there actually is one other character who dies after falling into something and then exploding. Palpatine, in Return of the Jedi
Even with the cut content, I think the Wii version is the ultimate version. It has rhe best use of motion control I have ever seen, with maybe some VR games doing better now years later. Using your actual hands to break free from saber and force locks will never not be great. Especially since I learned to predict the orientations somewhat, making me feel even more badass haha. Also making the intuitive motion of grasping someone (and pressing Z if memory serves) to grab items and enemies, and then flipping your hand upside down to actually start choking them... or ground slam them into an abyss. And actual force pushing. Never felt like a Force user as much as in that game. Fond memories
Darth Bane turned a star into a supernova... Anyone who says Starkiller is overpowered clearly doesn't know anything about star wars besides the movies.
Like he's strong for sure but he's more like Vaylin than Valkorion, both extremely powerful, but Vaylin was a raging powerhouse lashing out in all directions and Valkorion was like the full concentrated power of the sun wielded like a reaper's scythe.
@@khanlusa idk why people complain starkiller being so strong, he is the son of 2 jedi masters and trained for 10+years under vader in the sith arts like, no shit hes gunna be strong, its why the jedi banned relationships, not only for attachment but for the strong babies it would make and if they ever fell they would be strong as hell... like starkiller...
Amen. Rey is far more OP than starkiller could ever have been. Funny that the Disney Brothers conveniently ignore that or forget that when bashing starkiller.
Goddamn right I remember this game. One of my favorite force users ever and my favorite Grey Jedi ever. Galen Marek is an absolute powerhouse. The Wii version was the most engaging version while the DS version was the most difficult. That isn’t to say they’re any less enjoyable from each other. I thought it was pretty cool how the Wii, Xbox/PS, and DS versions had different gameplay from each other.
Thing I found interesting is how different this game was across consoles. On the ps2 you go the jedi temple three times in total, completing the trials more so under Vader's insistence than anything. They almost dont mention his father again for most of the game. It's a slightly different perspective, and even though they're same games they're still different. Like in the ps2 your lightsaber had its skin, a color crystal and a combat crystal. I didnt have the next gen console at the time, but the game I got was different, the same, and still one of my favorites to dust off my ps2 for. Also there was no QTE for pulling the star destroyer, it was a cutscene in that version, plus you never go into the sarlac
Vader successfully failing to gaslight a teenager and starting the rebellion in the process is really funny when you think about it
He failed the speech check which is really funny when you consider how much of a smooth talker Ani was compared to the intimidating menace that Vader IS
Vader is a slave to destiny he can't change the future padme will always die and he will always bring balance to the force regardless of how he goes about it
To be fair, it's hard to successfully coerce someone who is just as strong in the force as you are
It's honestly not even that far-fetched. In Revenge of the Sith, some of the deleted scenes are still treated as canon to the stories that came later. The relevant one is where a young Mon Mothma talks with Padme and Bail about organizing a movement against Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, and if the need arises, organizing a militarized rebellion cell to combat his takeover of the galaxy. Ultimately, they do nothing right away, but in time, they started doing their own things as a disjointed allegiance of insurrectionist groups before forming under a unified banner as the Alliance to Restore the Republic. In The Force Unleashed, that banner just happened to be the Marek family crest.
Its funny how people get angry when Starkiller slightly redirects a falling star destroyer, yet they are fine with Darth Nihilus eating planets.
protag v villian i guess? idk
The context behind each is what matters. The short of it is that for all his power Nihilus is pathetic. And that's why he works and Starkiller doesn't. There are many other reasons I could give but this is the main one.
I just figure Galen was a bit of a freak of nature with ludicrous aptitude for some force applications.
@@thomasjoychild4962 I've always seen him as a force equivalent to a storm, but he cant tone down his power. He's really good on physical force powers, but weaker on spiritual force powers. I cant ever see him become a force ghost because of this.
I mean ....... he WAS hungry
The "I lied" line always makes me kackle.
*cackle
I guess Vader took a page out of Obi-Wan's book and trolled the shit out of this dude. XD
Has the same energy as "my source is I made it tf up"
Darth Vader gave no fucks
@@ShermanYeoat least Vader had the honesty to say he straight up lied instead of trying to pass it off as “a certain point of view.”
This story was actually well written and I love the idea of the rebellion being accidentally created by Vader. It adds to the full circle of the chosen one and bringing balance to the force.
Starkiller > Ahsoka Tano
Ill take the heat idgaf
@@trequor that take is about as hot as Hoth.
@@trequor they were being mentored by two different people with two different messages
@@trequoryou ain’t wrong. Asoka is Filoni baloneys weird pedosexfantasy drenched in so much plotarmor the Death Star couldn’t scratch her.
I had this Game on the Wii, and, well, i acknowledge that Version lacks Content, but man, taking down that Star Destroyer with my Hands instead of Controller Buttons was the coolest thing ever happening to Star Wars Games
Yoda and Kota said sizes doesn’t matter on that I agree.
This and pirates of the carribean on the wii were the pinnacle of gaming
Wym I can actually swordfight and lightsaber fight like I always dreamed
Ditto
Wdym? The wii version was better it had multiplayer mode were you can fight your friends
@@oscarrazo5715 Did not know, and would not have cared had i known, as i had no Friends, so a rather useless component for me. And i am pretty sure the Video showed Levels that where not on the Wii Version, which i was refering to
“Without me, you’ll never be free.”
I love that line, and that Vader briefly hesitates there.
The whole story of this game is Vader’s ultimate opportunity to save himself from this man, who has him on a leash as a slave. But each time the opportunity is so possible, Vader’s own fear of change stops him and makes him backtrack. Making up lies, that he planned to betray the boy from the beginning, which he knows deep down is not true. Which is tragic.
Perfectly said. Also, the reason Vader took him in and trained him in the first place was because he ONLY saw him as an opportunity to break free from Palpatine.
Dude. Force Unleashed is unironically one of my favorite games ever, just on shear fun and nostalgia alone.
I actually had the Sith Edition for ps3 and I think my collector card was the crazy dude from the second level.
I still have my collectors card haha. This game was just pure fan service and I loved it. I wish we had more games where you could just use the force to wreck absolutely everything in your path be they Wookiee or Imperials. Second game was weak, but dang there is just something fun about throwing storm troopers off of Kamino and into the oceans
@@mostlyjovial6177 just now realizing that this game is star wars and just got back into learning bout the story line it’s insane
My favorite bit sbout the Star Destroyer discourse is how it's indirectly addressed all the way back in Empire Strikes Back:
"Master Yoda rocks are one thing but this... it's totally different!"
"NO! No different! Only different in your mind"
"Judge me but my size, do you?"
Yoda isn't exactly the wisest or most reliable source, though...
@@TerribleTom113 yoda is very much “the girlies that get it get it, and the girlies that don’t don’t”
I believe in the little one that Slam dunk the death star on coruscant!@@TerribleTom113
I love robots mimic peoples personalities and body language it's cute
ngl i played this game as a kid so many times and even recently, never noticed proxy did that, might have but it didn't register, it is a cool touch with him
people made fun of Sam Witwer's performance in this but hes the only reason the animated shows are good. also he gives the most realistic voice work ive ever seen in games.
Guy's a massive asset to SW creators and has been for ages.
He isn't the only reason animated shows are good. Don't be ridiculous.
@@martinsriber7760 Other than his amazing voice work, Sam has influence in the actual writing.
@@supergoodadvice853 I know.
Relax, he aint the ONLY reason
I like how PROXY seems like just a more cheery version of HK-47 from the KOTOR games. Also, if I had a nickel every time a piece of Star Wars media had a wise and somewhat cranky blind master character, I'd now have three nickels.
which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened three times.
@@RomrojalI think it's weird that it's happened ONLY three times by now.
My favourite thing about Star Wars is probably the concept of the clone army and how they unwillingly helped to pave the way for Palpatine's triumph, extensively explored in The Clone Wars. To this day Order 66 is one of my favourite events in fiction. I love to see when the whole war angle of Star Wars gets properly explored in dark, devastatingly depressing details.
Also KOTOR in it's clunky entirety, for I am, unfortunately for me, a Bioware fan.
Anything to do with Order 66 *kills me* every time, that section in Fallen Order had me sobbing b/c the clones were just joking around with him like big brothers not two minutes ago! 😭😭
@@khanlusa I remember audibly gasping and muttering "Oh no" under my breath the second realization of what's about to unfold hit. Absolutely harrowing segment that got me very emotional.
And the added context of the behavioral chips from the Clone Wars show just doubles the hell down on pure tragedy of it all, my god.
I actually loathe the changes made to make it an unwilling pavement. I think I hate it even more than what was done to Luke in TLJ. I think the behavior chips completely destroy the tragedy, because a narrative tragedy requires it to be a result of the failed journey of the victims of the tragedy. Not only that, but it tears out so much of the potency.
It was much, much more impactful when it was a conscious choice. A decision made to obey that which they were trained to do, which they believed in above all else. If you think it unrealistic, consider Korean Air Flight 801 where flight staff knew they were almost certainly going to crash into the ground but in Korean culture you don't criticize or ever directly challenge your superiors so at most they would say things along the lines of "gee it sure is cloudy" then crashed killing 229 people.
It's a far more poignant commentary, tragedy, & betrayal when it's a choice, it's far more sad of the fate of the clones when it is a choice, because the clones value loyalty to the Republic above all else & to them it is the Jedi who betrayed them. It is the Jedi who turned on the Republic to them, & so they doom themselves in their blind devotion. It has so much more meat to it.
@@pubcle The difference I would say is this isn't just a career or a job or just friends, this is *war*, people you've fought and bled beside. It makes no sense after years of struggle and shared hardship and creating bonds forged in the fires of galactic war that almost every clone would just obey the order of someone they've probably never even seen in person while still in the middle of said galactic war (droids weren't shut down at the time for most of them) to murder not just their commanders, but their comrades in arms who held with them through thick and thin because it was just in the rulebook.
@crushcommando8637 That’s why the “fire forged friends” of TCW kinda “ruined” Order 66, at least in the sense of the writers painting themselves in a corner where our protagonist troopers could no longer conceivably betray their Jedi allies without some contrived twist.
Geetsly actually had a great video about the early CW comic series that showed just how BRUTAL the clones were in their unquestioning obedience toward orders & objectives. Civilians in the way? Doesn’t matter, the mission’s more important. An important enemy was killed instead of captured? Should’ve ordered for the capture earlier. Infrastructure damaged beyond recovery? You wanted us to win the battle, right? Those guys made WAY more sense as the troopers that would eventually become the Empire.
One thing about the star destroyer scene is that in the DS version of the Force Unleashed (Because this game was released when companies were making radically different versions of the same game for every different console) the star destroyer was actually just falling from orbit and Starkiller was simply redirecting so it wouldn't crash on top of him. If my memory serves anyway.
Yep, they also go with that explanation in the novelization of the game.
Yeah thats how its in the ds version I played that dozens of times
@@rhymenoceros3303 It has active engines in the novelization and the DS version has the ISD being damaged but doesn't specify whether or not it had functional engines.
Having only played the Wii and DS versions (both very different from each other), this walk through of the story felt like some Mandela Effect version lol
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I've read that Starkiller was supposed to be Vader's name in the original script for A New Hope, naming the apprentice after him isn't unlike naming the lad "Vader Jr.".
I think that's touched on in the novelisation where the boy intuites or outright says that Vader took him bc he wanted a son (you know, after being led to believe he killed his own children with padme)
And I kid you not, George Lucas once wanted Starkiller to be called “Darth Icky”. Let that sink in
It was actually supposed to be Luke's name in the original scripts. Galen is supposed to be a photo negative of Luke/a what if version of Luke if he'd been raised by Vader so Lucas suggested Starkiller be his nickname.
@@starmancrusader As a joke, lol.
@@starmancrusaderokay you are missing a lot of context here. 1) Skywalker’s last name was supposed to be Starkiller, not Vader’s.
2) Lucas was adamant the protagonist of Force Unleashed should be Starkiller and so the devs said they didn’t like it and asked him for an alternative. He said okay then call him Darth Icky. They laughed only to realize George was serious and decided yeah Starkiller works.
I still have my old GameInformer magazine that has this interview with devs. It was clear George wanted Starkiller, and this was a great way to make the devs fighting him to see reason
That Juno's kiss scene on the Wii was terrifying, cause they didn't had close eyes textures, so they just stared into the abyss while kissing, that thing haunts me to this day
Oh my god, that sounds horrifying lmao
WHAT ARE YOU, CATHOLIC!? Perfection. I could have sworn the star destroyer was already falling out of the sky and Starkiller was just redirecting it. . . huh.
I think that was in the Wii version from what I've been told.
@@khanlusa Yeah, that's nuts cause I've never owned a WII, I played this on xbox, and I played it to absolute death xD But it's also been a decade since I last looked at it. Cultural osmosis really be something. Damn I love Starkiller.
@@khanlusa Engines are active in the Wii version as well. It's just a popular myth that people butthurt about Starkiller's power level spread around for years.
@@khanlusaweather it's falling or. Or ripping one of those things out of the sky and living MAJOR bragging rights and free drinks for life kinda rep
I think in the novelization the ISD was already falling
When Vader is throwing Galen around the room his breathing gets quicker (I don't exactly what this means, is he panicking or feeling guilty over hurting Starkiller)
He’s crippled and starkiller is making him actually feel tired unlike other Jedi, in the second game he gets Vader to wheeze while fighting like Luke did when they fought
My favourite thing about star wars is getting to 'debate' with my very nerdy housemate by gaslighting them that Anakins fall was Yoda's fault. She gets so flustered by it, its honestly funny
honestly with the way the movies are i believe it was more the yoda's and windo's fault than palpatine. like bro's mom dead and ya told him to just let his wife die as well. he aint got anyone left.
@@Kris-wo4pj Him turning to the dark side is for sure Palps' fault. But his loss of faith in the order is for sure the fault of Yoda and Windu and to a lesser extent Obi-wan
Is it really gaslighting if it's (partially) true, though-
@@schmi2897 The only reason Palpatine could turn him as easily as he did is because of the Jedi themselves. If they had made some concessions then they would have been able to stop it from happening. Or if Padme was married by the time of Attack of the Clones as that would have taken away the main motivation.
@@irystocrattakodachithatmooms If Palpatine hadn't been there Anakin might have just left the order outright and just fuck off to support his wife and do whatever else and the galaxy might be much better for it.
Of course the Jedi failed him I never argued otherwise. But it was only because Palpatine was there that he was able groomed into the dark side.
Shak Ti’s VA also voiced Wonder Woman in the Justice League animated shows, and Injustice games.
Just discovered your channel with the Crisis 1 vid, and you're really fucking funny! Love your scripts! "Darth Vader promptly redacted Dad Jedi from the Kashyyyk census." Made me cackle.
I remember the force unleashed game, and I do think that it was a good Star Wars story. I especially like how the story of Galen Marek tied to the formation of the rebel alliance against the empire.
My favorite thing about Star Wars is the mental fortitude of Jacen and Jaina. Those two kids should’ve been gibbering masses of neuroses by the time they hit puberty, considering how many times they were attempted to be assassinated or were actually kidnapped.
Wow. That tequila/bag of speed/Force Unleashed, donuts/morning after/Fallen Order thing you said.....that may be the best metaphor I've ever heard in my life,wholesale. Plus bonus points for being so apt.
Was this a lore exception? Yes. Did it still love and respect the setting? YES! Was it better than ANYTHING spewed out by the Evil Fucking Rat?! YEEEESSS!!!!!
The Disney brown-nosers are such great a hypocrites when they bash starkiller while they support Rey. The Mary Sue goddess proves that she is better everything than everyone and is even able to single-handedly prove that you can strike someone down in anger and still not submit to the dark side. 🙄
The creator probably won’t see this but if you do, PLEASE keep doing what you’re doing, I’ve been binging your channel the past week and I love the breakdowns you give and the content warnings are SO appreciated, love the content ❤❤
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The Star Destroyer bit makes much more sense in the novel. There the ship is actually just falling, and Starkiller just nudges it with the force to change it's course.
The game, imo, did not really show something different
This is what happens in the game
I remember picking this game up as a kid, i played it again a short while back, man i sucked at games back then.
In all fairness to the Jedi trope of "you'll be just like him" the Sith literally have a power to posess you and sieze control of your body, as a counterpart to force ghosting, even tho they can also kinda do that, in Legends continuity.
Small, self contained stories like these INSIDE THE LORE are the ones we all love the most
Jedi: Fallen Order is to an estabilished poly relationship what The Force Unleashed is to a fucking orgy, and I love it.
Oh, how I love finding a new great yt channel that I can binge in the span of a week...
Youre quickly climbing up to be my most looked forward content creator. Witty, humorous, but not overly in your face, love it.
Someone oulling a star destroyer to the ground
Whiners: YOU CANT DO THAT ,THATS ILLEGAL
Abelpth an embodiment of all kinds of destruction that would make Palpy $hit his sith pants many times over exist and is only contained by 3 literal force gods trapping her in a cage of vlack holes kept there by a superweapon ( think it was a gravity weapon forgot name)
Whiners: yeah thats reasonable
Centerpoint station 👌
@@khanlusa I knew it had station in its name or it was a station just could've figure it out thanks
Tbf, there are quite a few steps btwn “can duel Vader on roughly equal terms” and “an eldritch god of the Force”, and I think “pulling down a star destroyer” might just be one or two steps above the former. Not enough to feel Totally unbelievable, but Just enough to feel uncanny on the power scale.
The first 2 minutes in and I already fully agree with all that's been said, and I'm laughing my ass off for the mental picture the you painted😂
Another under-appreciated video game from my favorite under-appreciated youtuber!
16:20 I love, LOVE, that this scene mirrors the slow back and forth looks Vader gives between Palpatine and Luke in ROTJ, with him suddenly snapping instead to glare down at Starkiller with the sinister strings in the background. It's the same choice, but the fear and darkness win this time.
Who knows, if he didn't impale Starkiller and they actually fought together, they might have managed it.
The "what are you, Catholic? Give me the gun!" line got me cackling like Sheev himself. Well played.
I never noticed Proxy's mimicking Juno and Starkiller before. Great observation. I love this game, especially the Wii version. The additional levels are not only fun (Mandalorians on Basalik War Droids!!!) but on replays they tickle that long-time Star Wars fan in me since they're stand-ins for the three trials to become a Jedi: Skill, Flesh, and Insight. It goes to show that the Force finds a way to help make things right.
I laughed so hard at the "gay or aromantic" line. Great show, as always. Would definitely like to see Force Unleashed 2.
I read this literally like 5 seconds before it popped up in the video. The way it made me snort was awful.
Note about the exploding Jedi corpses, in the books they show this happen with the death of a powerful sith lord (like with Shiev in the movies) and he explodes with dark force energy that nearly kills the protagonists post mortem. I think what's shown in the games here is lore accurate, on account of the explosion not being violent and a more "return to the force" concept which has been prestablished in Star Wars but not shown in this way before onscreen.
May the 4th be with you!
Your writing creativity humor is perfect in a starkiller is born segment.
Your videos are always a blast and the first moments already prove exactly why
Deadpan "slay queen, etcetera."
This, right here, thats why i love your reviews.
I think this was said In the past by other people, but I think starkiller *should* have killed Maris instead of letting her go, it would have made him more of a conflicted character whose role as the hero still wasn’t 100% locked in.
My G. You knew the right time and did this video in the right way... Thank you for talking about a game that is a core memory for my childhood.
Omg I don't know how to respond to UA-camrs in the right way. But I would like to provide a funny story....My mother has played this series recently and she ain't happy about the lack of stealth game play......She also called me an" Casual bitch" for allowing me to act like a super solider and have more than 5 deaths while she watches me play on NORMAL mode........Mommma be harsh yo. Lol
I know there isn't a stealthy style of Play but moms be angry about this yo.
MGRR, MGRR, MGRR, MGRR, MGRR. If you think this game is over the top and wild, you need to play Metal Gear Rising Revengeance! We must continue the memes the DNA of the soul!
1:20 quite possibly the best description of this game in comparison to fallen order. I love it 😂
There's a Cloud City level on the Wii where you fight a mandalorian warlord riding on a Basilisk War Droid, the droid was tough, the "Warlord" not so much, I force choked and force slammed him to death, he didn't even hit me once
Star Killer will always be my favorite character. And I’ll advocate him being cannon until I die idc idc
32:15 “what are you catholic give me the gun”
I loved Proxy. He was my favorite character from the Force Unleashed and it's a shame we don't see any other Droids similar to him in Star Wars.
Why does it feel like everyone collectively just remembered how amazing the force unleashed games are. I love it ❤. I played them sooooo much
A serious respectful relatable and honestly a perfect character in my opinion.
Also about your last comment, nah mate I like both sides of the pie and that would hit anyone with a heart.
The big difference between this star wars story and the clap disney puts out is that this has heart and soul and feels human
I've always like star wars in theory, when I read about the feats of jedi or force users back in the day of the old republic I was like "I wanna see those force strong users" this game gave me what I thought was missing from star wars, the over the top power usage. They would always just tease us with force powers in the movies and such and I always wanted more, I will forever love this game. And the costumes in this game were so fucking good, the new star wars game doesn't even come close
I love the star destroyer bit, because it's not exactly like he swipes it out of the sky.
After several minutes of pushing and pulling and yanking, he pulls this massive thing though the atmosphere and drags it into the ground- but still wasn't able to stop it before it reached him.
People talk about it like he could easily manhandle the full mass of a star destroyer, when it's more like he barely succeeded and has no expectations of doing anything like that, ever again.
Starkillers comment on Maris remembering what she had done forever is a nod to himself. He is stuck with what he had done forever
loved how crazy powerful they made him and how dark it could get
khanloopie you keep me up at night with your explanations
The whole presentation in this video is the perfect mix of information and funny quips.
For my dads 40th, my mom organized a suprise party that was star wars themed and we played force unleashed multiplayer on wii on a projector onto the garage door. good times
THanks for reminding me that the costumes on this game go unreasonably hard
I feel like the main issue with him pulling down the destroyer is that hes still kinda young everyone else who did big feats was older and had way way more training it just feels kinda rushed for a cool moment I feel it could of worked if they said hey you know the layout of the ship remember the engine room reach out to the gravity drive/ engines and crush them. It wasn't even like a feat of rage either he just kinda did it they could of also had a few people die or something and it was just pure hate that pulled it down. It is a fun power trip game though no one can deny that
Great character, fun game. I would love to see him reworked asthe final Inquisitor type and have him put in the Jedi series to battle Cal Kestis.
One of my fave things about Proxy apart from giving you the chance to fight Maul satisfyingly if not long enough is that he and his directive are clearly riffing on the character of Kato from the Pink Panther films who has standing orders from Clouseau to ambush him at every chance.
I enjoy your style of video, the pause between game content for extra context is good variety. And the subtle humor is a lot more enjoyable than the forced humor that you see from "dunkey clones" *cough* williaso *cough*
I love it when people get made at this feat, when yoda literally states that with the force you either do something or you dont. We literally have characters like Luke who is the poster boy of mc energy literally move multiple black holes at once. Moving a star destroyer thats moving under repulser lifts in atmo is nothing to the force.
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I know of one instance like that
SPOILERS for Thrawn triology
In The Last Command Novel by Timothy Zahn , when the crazy dark jedi Joruus C'baoth gets stabbed by a lightsaber, the book reads:
"With a last mournful Scream, C'baoth crumpled - And as it had with the Emperor aboard the Death Star, the dark side energy within him burst out in a violent explosion of blu fire"
So a big explosion of force energy, tho outside the Force Unleashed I've never seen a jedi die and explode like that
Neat! Thank you for sharing :D
I just found your channel and its currently my lifes mission to watch your entire back catalogue
The algorithm randomly put your channel in my feed. I am very glad it has. Can't wait for force unleashed 2 and Crysis 3.
"none consensual breath play" - HA! the script in this video is on point 🤣🤣
that DLC should have been included. sneaking in the jedi temple would be so cool
These games were probably the only reason I cared about star wars growing up, and they were a fantastic gateway into character action games. Although I'm not reeeally~ sure this one's story holds up to scrutiny.
Loved this game n series. While frustrating trying to line up the ship to pull it out the sky, the visual effect of finally doing it was amazing. I was dishearten when he wasn't cast in the star wars films. Great voice actor as well.
thanks for the new video, and happy may fourth
Your choice of words had me laughing 😆 “what am I catholic!? Give me the gun!” 😂 you have found yourself another follower. Hope your other videos carry that wonderful and cheeky dark humour.
These games were cool as fuck and no one can convince me otherwise.
Force Unleashed (1 & 2) was FRIGGIN AMAZING!!!!
Regarding the beginning and the kid, that’s also the thing with the Sith and the rule of two: the apprentice is eventually supposed to kill his master
0:00 I do not need to imagine that. i lived it. it was a good day.
I was very surprised by this game.
The outline of course is the Mary Sue with the overpowered main character coming out of nowhere, but apart from this the game is very grounded and respectful to the source material.
It is like the game is saying "okay we are going to do ONE wild thing just to make the gameplay better"
I played the PS2 version of this game years ago and honestly? I fucking LOVED the whole thing from start to finish.
I just can't get enough of your videos, love them !
I actually like how Rise of Skywalker explained that destroying the Emperor was nearly impossible and you just get cursed to turn into them like every apprentice turned master before them. It reframes every moment like the end of this game so that they’re retroactively very good.
God, I love Sam Witter. He is such an amazing nerdy actor. HE NEEDS HIS OWN SHOW. The story of this game made me go THAT IS CRAZY. The entire time. I was so happy when Juno kissed him near the end. Even when Force Unleashed II trailer came out where he is tearing up the ship around him as both the Jedi side(Yoda) and the Sith side (Darth Vader)of the force pull try to pull him towards their sphere of the force so to speak. Her saying "Will i ever see you again?" Which centers Starkiller which TOO THIS DAY AS I AM NOW 26 YEARS OLD STILL SENDS CHILLS DOWN MY SPINE. Again Sam Witwer NEEDS to run his own show. Please Disney.
I go with Cybernetic Reconstruction skin after Darth Vader yeets Starkiller into outer space with a stab wound through the gut.
1:20 This is a perfect analogy for the two games. Sure, one of these things is more respectable but tequila and speed is way more fun and that door was kinda busted anyway.
Sam Witwer is one of the best western voice actors in existence. Someone who's largely realized animation breaks the limits of live action. He'd be a star in Japan, too.
Starkiller pulling down the Star Destroyer is the coolest thing any fan could do in Star Wars.
Enough said
This is my favourite story in all of Star Wars
15:05 you mention that here she explodes upon death, and thats never before seen, but there actually is one other character who dies after falling into something and then exploding. Palpatine, in Return of the Jedi
Instant like and subscribe. Your humor had me in stitches. Very well done.
Even with the cut content, I think the Wii version is the ultimate version. It has rhe best use of motion control I have ever seen, with maybe some VR games doing better now years later.
Using your actual hands to break free from saber and force locks will never not be great. Especially since I learned to predict the orientations somewhat, making me feel even more badass haha.
Also making the intuitive motion of grasping someone (and pressing Z if memory serves) to grab items and enemies, and then flipping your hand upside down to actually start choking them... or ground slam them into an abyss. And actual force pushing. Never felt like a Force user as much as in that game. Fond memories
Darth Bane turned a star into a supernova...
Anyone who says Starkiller is overpowered clearly doesn't know anything about star wars besides the movies.
Like he's strong for sure but he's more like Vaylin than Valkorion, both extremely powerful, but Vaylin was a raging powerhouse lashing out in all directions and Valkorion was like the full concentrated power of the sun wielded like a reaper's scythe.
@@khanlusa idk why people complain starkiller being so strong, he is the son of 2 jedi masters and trained for 10+years under vader in the sith arts like, no shit hes gunna be strong, its why the jedi banned relationships, not only for attachment but for the strong babies it would make and if they ever fell they would be strong as hell... like starkiller...
This Game Needs A Remaster So Badly
This game had better plot than any of the Disney trilogy movies
Amen. Rey is far more OP than starkiller could ever have been. Funny that the Disney Brothers conveniently ignore that or forget that when bashing starkiller.
To clarify The Ripping of the Star Destroyer is not unprecedented period specifically Yoda does it in the early 2000s 2D Clone Wars animation
Goddamn right I remember this game. One of my favorite force users ever and my favorite Grey Jedi ever. Galen Marek is an absolute powerhouse. The Wii version was the most engaging version while the DS version was the most difficult. That isn’t to say they’re any less enjoyable from each other. I thought it was pretty cool how the Wii, Xbox/PS, and DS versions had different gameplay from each other.
In the novel the star destroyer is already coming down and he just barely gets it to crash land and almost dies.
Thing I found interesting is how different this game was across consoles. On the ps2 you go the jedi temple three times in total, completing the trials more so under Vader's insistence than anything. They almost dont mention his father again for most of the game. It's a slightly different perspective, and even though they're same games they're still different. Like in the ps2 your lightsaber had its skin, a color crystal and a combat crystal. I didnt have the next gen console at the time, but the game I got was different, the same, and still one of my favorites to dust off my ps2 for. Also there was no QTE for pulling the star destroyer, it was a cutscene in that version, plus you never go into the sarlac