Something Is Seriously Wrong in Crucible PVP - Destiny 2
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2024
- From lobby balancing to matchmaking, something is clearly off with the Crucible in Destiny 2 right now since the recent update to the sandbox with 7.35. Today I'm showing lobbies and gameplay to demonstrate why I believe something is very wrong under the hood.
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"we're breaking up those teams to find you a better match." Gives me the same team. Yeah its totally broken.
Or often in my case goes from getting beaten to "were changing those teams" to getting completely annihilated, thanks bungie
Yeah bro! Its like as soon as you see that back out or your gonna get rekted. @@papaspaulding
Is it sbmm?
@AxisChurchDevotee In control is usually where you see that message so I am pretty sure that's skill based.
@@AxisChurchDevotee both. control (sbmm) and supremacy (connection based)
Yeah, most games I play we either manhandle the other team, or get manhandled by them. It's nuts.
Yep.
The last two weeks have been run or get run.
I don't think I've played a single supremacy match that wasn't a 50 point gap.
That sounds like the overwhelming majority of games I've played regardless of cbmm or sbmm.
Not great though if that's how it feels even with the new mm in control...
Just depends on which team gets more hackers.
@@TerminusCOBHCor hunters, i always get a team of hunters against mine
In the EU it seems like they have Conditional Finality based matchmaking. It’s like the ticket for entry into the Crucible!
😂 right!
No, it’s been updated. You are also required to pair CF with summoner adept now.
My only problem with the special ammo change. Your basically punished for trying to snipe
@@nbuzzkill also fusion rifles. You get one shot.
Yeah it’s by far the best PvP weapon in the game. You absolutely need one in trials especially on slower maps otherwise you’re losing to wells. I don’t like dominion. I would much rather have everyone play slow and get supers instead of losing to zone the second someone gets a bubble. Because if the zone is gone you can still outplay a super without conditional.
having the same thing happen to me in supremacy. Queue times through the roof and games starting with half full lobbies.
Same.
yeah man I really wanted to grind but the queue times basically told me to go to bed lol
Be waiting 5 mins in supremacy for a 4v4 match 😐
I wonder if it's because at this point, people already have their skimmers and whatever weapon rolls they're looking for. It is the final half of the last week of GG. I know about 5 people in my clan only played to get the skimmer and promptly put down the game.
Are u switching g to non class only matchmaking cuz I'm literally loading in less then 2-3 min
My connection experience has been absolutely atrocious no matter what i do. People lagging their asses off.
lack of players will do that. completely removing skill based would fix this, but nearly half the pvp people have stopped playing due to the recent pvp change, there prob just doing pve now, like thats what im doing, i used to play pvp every day, but now its slow af and boring.
the fact that destiny 2 doesn't have servers and games are based of peer to peer connection, it's not entirely their console/pc or wifi's fault... everyone knows peer to peer is shit
I'm disabled, got problems with coordination and fine motor control, i used to be able to cover some of what I'm physically unable to do with ability uptime and team support but this new update has made pvp basically unplayable for me.
I tried to play supremacy and had someone call me useless in the text chat and it's just...I just wanna have fun and play the game I love, man.
Text chat is cancer, I recommend turning off when playing trials and comp
I'm sorry for your issues but legit if all the stuff you mentioned you used to keep up with others while having debilitating issues imagine people who don't have said issues how they abuse them.
No offense but we can't have balance through outliers, personally i cannot see Stealth hunters should we give stealth dodge a 60s cooldown to compensate? No.
One of my buddies has similar problems don't take it to heart I would turn off whispers if people are talking to you like that after over a thousand hours of pvp know that your skill isn't determined by others for you a great game might be 5 kills where someone who no life's the game only considers a 20 kill game acceptable don't let it get to your head just play and have fun
Text chat is filled with people who do no conduct themselves out of love for other people, turn it off for a better experience!!
Play the game no matter what an have fun. Dont allow others to take you down with words. Also also if your struggle do to health issues you should but a xim or cronus to help you with aim assist an such.
You definitely need a stock of alcohol to handle crucible nowadays
I tried that and i got wasted
More interested in the booz stash than the content
@@jakedrago7805 not really. It's called making a joke
Best comment right here so far. Lmfao.
I mean TV does have a whiskey channel if you are interested LOL
The only consistency I have seen in matchmaking across the various crucible modes is that, "breaking up the teams to find a better match" still means you're about to be thrown into a match in progress where the other team all has supers and is steamrolling. I also played a few 3v3 supremacy matches after waiting in the que for a long time.
happens to me all the time, also there is about 1-2 minutes (im on ps4) where the character skins have not yet fully loaded so everyone is invisible, so im thrown into a team who is already loosing by 100 points right as supers popping off everywhere and I'm fighting invisible players
Happened to me and i seriously thought the other team was hacking supers
One game I joined was 5 seconds from the end of the match and as soon as I spawned in took a rocket to the face
@@chillhour6155 Has happened to me a few times, ive loaded in just in time to be killed on spawn before the match has ended, I just have to laugh at that point, (before realising im back in orbit looking at a long queue time)
Not only do they all have supers, you get ZERO special when thrown into a match in progress. I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet. That's a huge disadvantage right off the bat, especially when the other team has probably stock piled some by that point.
When he started reading those trials stats for the .28 k/d I had to make sure it wasn’t me 🤣🤣🤣
The worst is when you bring these issues up on reddit, Facebook, twitch. You get told to play a different game or "Skill issue"
mainly cuz they're sweats running meta loadouts
Metatards love pretending they're good and saying skill issue when they break even while im sitting here confused with my 2.0kd. I never post my problems anymore because you never get an answer.
r/DestinyTheGame has a lot of people that will downvote you for calling out any problem or making any type of critic to the state of PvP.
@@XbladedGGit’s gotten worse than that. I made a comment talking about how the skill ceiling went down due to the auto rifle sit in spawn meta happening rn. Got told I have a skill issue. When I’m saying crucible has never been easier right now lol. Destiny players have the same 2-3 responses and once you get through those they’re pussies
Get guud lil bro
Respect. Not only for this man’s PVP skills, but his Whiskey game is strong.
I'm with you. My lobbies have been constant snowballing where if I dont get at least 40 kills, its a blowout because the people i get matched with are single digit kills and the entire enemy team in the 20's or minimum 15. It's not the losing that sucks. It's the absolute lopsided blowouts.
The Special and health changes just feel like they strongly prefer good players. On top of the obscene shotgun and ability spam.
I never enjoyed Crucible. So it’s saying something that the mode is far more unenjoyable now.
There are brief moments where I dig the game. But it’s just so crazy, it makes OG MW2 look balanced.
I've been telling people this ever since I saw the changes on paper I knew well what was gonna happen I have never more sweats in pvp than with these new changes snowballing will be what kills crucible for good if it is not changed
@@darkspiro6467 Exaclty, it’s a snowball economy now. I kind of like the way Spec ammo already worked, cause it was at least an even board across the field.
@paradoxinraindrops141 indeed there is only one alternative I have found now that people are running double primary if you use glave melee people don't know how to handle it but that's the only fun I had in this new meta
Literally every game I’m top of the leaderboard with double the kills of the guy in second and still lose all the time. I can’t solo carry an entire team
What I’ve noticed:
1. Lobbies take a LONG time to load and it’s been a lot of 4v4 or 4v5.
2. Clone spam is way down as is general threadling spam.
3. Lots more primary play and with that came a lot more team shooting.
4. Disjunction and Citadel need to go away permanently.
they love to see us in pain
Whenever i see those disguisting rubbish maps… Pullout ghost. *Y!* *instantly!*
I aint playing that trash. I hope they lose the map files permanently and never recover them. Absolute rubbish!
Clone spam is way up from what I've seen. I hardly saw them before the update, and after I saw them every match.
twilight gap can go too. shit map with shit sight lines & terrible flow.
@@isaacgirouard5924 how did you see them hardly? Strand hunters usage was way higher before update, and that was part of the reason why threadlings were nerfed, not to mention strand locks spamming them too, now strand locks are a rarity and strand hunters are still there but the usage dropped a ton.
The same goes for solo Trials. I still go flawless but it feels like I have to be on team fodder for a set amount of matches before I get enough consistent teammates where I can string wins together.
The recent changes caused me to completely abandon snipers. The ammo economy just doesn’t make it worth. Trials is a complete mess. Wanted a summoner but playing that mode as a solo player actively makes me hate PvP lol
This. I’m a sniper main and same. I’m genuinely upset by this lol
I mean I didn’t play this past weekend of trials but I did the weekend before and I solo queued to a flawless, it took a few tries, plus I haven’t played this game more than 4 hours in like a couple months. I was a sniper main before I stopped playing but you just gotta adapt and it isn’t too bad going flawless solo queueing
That's one way to say you just don't use your primary enough. The sandbox wants you to main a primary, not a special weapon. Not a skill issue necessarily, just an adjustment you probably need to make. Trials is supposed to be this way, its not nearly as special spammy as it was before and its ultimately for the better. Lessening special oppression has been a goal for D2 since the beta, and now its here.
Sounds like a skill issue this weekend i legit dropped a clear 2kd and 2.5kad with like 250 wins and 100loses based on trials report.(I'm a 1.5 average)
No snipers is perfect enough of bots being able to headshot through walls,dodges,dashes,charges, flinch.
Now if only they nerf Fusions to the ground and increase the special meter gain a bit so we got special to play around with but not infinite like it was essentially.
Snipers in higher level lobbies destroy the game completely the maps are unbalanced and the aim system is terrible.
@@joshsmith8715 It’s possible and I’ve done it, but it’s very hit or miss, which isn’t enjoyable at all. The disparity in skill is a real issue and I can “adapt” until I’m blue in the face but I can’t carry however many times it takes to get flawless.
The lobby balancing in this game is absolutely atrocious.
As a high skill player playing solo is a big uphill battle 90% of the time.
I find my shots aren’t registering a lot and invisible bullets, I quit playing.
I do feel like I’ve been getting double damage and double damaging people more often, especially with igneous. Could be just me though.
I thought I was missing, but after focusing on where my shots were going. I also noticed that. Head shots that should connect, but don't do any damage.
The connection is horrible! I play on eithernet with 0 ping and noramlly I never have issiues apart from the odd ememy on potota wifi. But now every gun fight feels like im shooting blanks. but i get droped instant. its whack. they messed up something big time!
Server connections have been terrible. I have noticed many of my kills were finished off when the opponent I am shooting at died around the corner or wall....I seriously would think they got away from me but they end up dying from my shots......this tells me that there is a good amount of lag involved....I'm on a 500mb connection.
i have massive lags and people are dying 2 Seconds later sometimes. my shots doing damage not they should do and i mostly die before i see any enemy. before the Update all.was fine and i never had any problems
Yup I'm noticing this also , something just ain't working as intended
Agreed, I play during peak hours (evenings in US), and have had many games start with partial lobbies. And I usually play solo or maybe duos
I’ve been getting curb stomped in Supremacy and my KD is well above positive - I feel like I am getting killed far too easily and can’t hit the broadside of a barn in my duels
That's been my experience also. I solo most of the time and I get placed against 2 two stacks or 3 stacks vs all randos all the time.
Some duels it feels like their shots tug on my body from being able to strafe behind cover.
I’ve had so many titleless, rank 5 or lowers on my team in the last two days. Sometimes I just stop and watch them pile into a lane, just to get mowed down one by one. There’s a problem.
This morning I wanted to try a new build in a quick Supremacy match... took me 10 minutes to get a game started and was down 3-20 almost immediately. Got steamrolled so bad we triggered mercy (thankfully), but I didn't have the patience to wait 10 more minutes for matchmaking to try again.
Ive done this more often lately, ie turned the game off rather than wait to get a decent match. Before the update it would usually take around 2-4 matches to 'settle' where as now im often being bounced from one match to another, thrown in half way through one match or getting steamrolled on the next then bounced again on and on never settling
You just gotta play competitive right now. It’s surprisingly the only mode I’m having fun in. The queue times are pretty quick and team balance is surprisingly well done at least where I’m at in platinum or whatever.
iv joined a game over 70 point down and mercy never happened.
@@robertpatterson8437 I honestly thought the mercy rule had been removed for supremacy as ive been in many matches were my team is literally 100+ points behind and it goes fall time, yet yesterday started a match where my team was winning by 70 points and right away the other team get mercied (as they should) and then as a result "were breaking up those teams" the next match im thrown in am back to getting annihilated with no sign of a mercy
I do think mercy has been removed. That or it needs to be some really specific condition. I’ve yet to have a mercy happen
Hehe. My concern is the amount of deaths from The Summoner (Adept) in the last 15 games I've played.
I love it when tech blames the user 😄 “there may be a problem with your network…”
Same experience for me, it’s so frustrating I end up just quitting. I don’t have 15+minutes to wait in a queue for nothing. I was in a live chat and the folks were shocked how long I was waiting.
Pvp is in a weird place it just feels off . It's like every game either we stomp them or they stomp us . Their is no back and forth where you never know who is going to win until the end . Bungie is killing their own game off.
it's sad but they really are, through what really appears to be pure incompetence and negligence combined. Emphasis on the incompetence.
@@Ascerian Yes it is very sad to see a game with still so much potential after all these yrs go to waste because of Bungies incompetence is truly a tragedy.
I've seen matchmaking get stuck in a loop at 8-11 players a lot recently. When it happens I i often find flying to a location and then queueing up for crucible again seems to give it the kick it needs to reset.
Literally same brother. I’m happy you take the time to bring these things to light. Thank you
I’m seeing the same matchmaking issues. In Supremacy, it would get to 11 of 12 and just sit there forever.
Often when it eventually goes 12/12 the screen goes black as if about to go into the match then a second later im in orbit still and the whole process starts all over from 1/12.
Moments like that I just want to turn the game off altogether
Loving the frequent posts lately man
Usually if I queue up, I’ll just leave my headset on and go do laundry until I hear my ship launch 🤣
Watched a few of your videos now and you’re honestly extremely underrated as a D2 content creator. I’ve been agreeing your opinions on PVP and it’s great to see someone talk about PVP the way you are, especially with PVP builds and how PVP is performing. Just subscribed and hope to watch your content more
Yeah, something is up, but I can't put my finger on it.
I have a few things I don't like, but that's very small. But somehow my entire experience is worse
This is the video I’ve been waiting for ever since the update. I don’t mind being punished for missing precisions, I play halo and it’s easy to see where things went wrong. Teamshots are annoying but I don’t mind finding ways to play around them. What grinds my gears is when I finally do get a 6v6 to magically load up I have a team of pure solos whilst the other team has a 2stack as well as a 3 stack and within the first 2 mins 2 of my teammates have left
My matchmaking has always been fucked by the system, so I never really noticed. For years now it's either me stomping them, or them stomping me. There is no in between. I either have the most blueberries of players or the most sweatlords of trials in my fucking 6v6
THANK YOU! Ive been saying this in various youtuber comment sections to try and get people to pay attention.
This video is confirmation that I’m not the only one noticing this. Thank you for confirming that my level of insanity has not increased too much😅
Im in Australia and the que times for us have been like this for over a year now. I get the "We were unable to find a match in time" everyday.
Snake draft does not go 1,3,5,7,9,11 vs 2,4,6,8,10,12 as you suggested in the video as the first team to choose (your team) would always be much stronger. Every player in your team would be better than their opposite number. Merc tried to explain this on the Fireteam podcast the other week. It instead it goes something close to: 1,4,5,8,9,11 vs 2,3,6,7,10,12. If you look at the ELO's in your list and list them 1-12 that's actually pretty close to what happened. If you consider that the ELO system is a few points out on some of the closer players towards the bottom compared to Bungie's internal ranking system it actually fits.
Yep This. I play games with draft league and the way a snake draft works is that 1-10 pick then the pick rate is reversed so 10th place goes twice in a row. That's exactly how you're order explains it. Cause NONE of the players are captains the system picks team 1 player 1. Team 2 player 2 and 3. Team 1 4 and 5...etc just as you said. I think the two points TV might be confused on is what a snake draft is and that the top 2 players arent supposed to be captains in his analogy. Not sure where he heard his definition of snake draft it might be another interpretation but his not the one bungie uses. It looks like the same I hear in my circles.
This system objectively doesnt work for stacks. What if the enemy teams has 1,1,1 from the start now what ? That lobby will be a mercy
if Snake draft was done based on the rating alone it would look like I wrote it out below, but I think you are correct that Bungie either a: has some other internal metric based on MMR in the backround OR the Snakedraft only works on the first few players and then "fills with average" for the rest. Its still wonky though
Team1:
1. 2020
4.1516
5. 1513
8. 1325
9. 1189
12. 1119
Team 2:
2. 1751
3. 1706
6. 1469
7. 1402
10. 1157
11. 1150
Bungie has their own hidden mmr that they use for mm. I feel like part of the mm and balancing issues might be in the algorithm used to create that mmr.
You're right, Merc said the draft went 1 then 2,3 and 4,5, etc but it doesn't seem like that gives a good player experience. Maybe they should try pairing
1,12
3,10
5,8
and
2,11
4,9
6,7
instead.
So basically every "good" player had a "bad" player to carry to his ability and every player would still have better and worse opponents (except for the 1 and the 12 obviously).
I feel like I’ve been going crazy ever since Bungie announced this because of how 90% of people don’t know the difference between a regular draft and a snake draft.
You're not being a Negative Nancy or a Debbie Downer. You're just a Realistic Ryan 😂
You just noticed?
hes a youtuber, he noticed it a while ago. it takes time to make a video about it
This feels like one of the worst metas we've ever had. If you're not running an auto rifle, you're at a major disadvantage. Anytime the meta shifts so much that it essentially takes away player choice and forces them to default to one weapon type in order to compete, Bungie has faceplanted pretty spectacularly when it comes to game balance.
@@brianhouston5368 I like autos tho. Also false, handcannons are still viable.
If you listened to his opening statement, you would know he didn't just notice. He waited until he found consistency and frequency in the issues he [initially] began noticing.
@@Averagedestiny2addictonly in duels. But if you run up to team shots you're deleted and that seems more common these days as everyone is playing on top of each other.
All right boss, huge fan btw. I played 30 matches over a two day binge. I ran into many of the same issues but also some additional ones. Terrible hit box detection after 5 matches only to leave and reset and poof I can shoot again. Especially in supremacy I was finding myself constantly out of sync. There were a lot of bee server errors that I kept getting during none peak hours. The new sandbox is okay but I did get the special ammo drop error on a couple maps. I’m an okay player (I am a dad and I do have a toaster) but it was hard feeling anything but beat up mentally trying to get those games in.
After this Tuesday reset, me and many other players I’ve talked to especially on console (XSX) noticed our settings haven’t changed yet aiming felt, off. Like really loose as if we’re aiming all over the place on 10+ sense. any one else have that, we’re thinking it might be a bug! Just a heads up radial x/y is unchanged as well. Thanks.
Yeah, queue times have been a major issue for me since sbmm was introduced. I've had multiple instance of literally being times out because the game cant find a match on time. They need to rework the parameters to make queue time fast. What makes me turn this game off and play something else is sitting in orbit for 5 to 8 minute to find a match everytime.
Thanks, this was very informative. I can personally attest to the longer queue times, folks quitting matches without being replaced, and the skill disparity between teams. Control has been slightly better in my experience, but Supremacy has been very frustrating to play (like Trials-level frustrating). Hopefully these issues will be resolved in short order😊🙏🏻
Thanks TV ! Noticed some of what you said in video. Waiting 5 mins or more and partial lobbies definitely make not even want to go into pvp. Take care.
Special ammo was mostly fine. We didn't need a complete overhaul of the sandbox, we just needed for the frequency(and potency) of some abilities to be dialed way back. Matchmaking is currently unfixable imo, just look at the numbers of players currently in the game - there just isn't enough of a population to support a healthy matchmaking system. I wish I was wrong, but all of the "game dead" people are probably correct. We are currently in an all time drought of players in the game, and unless somehow the Final Shape magically brings everything back, I don't see this changing.
I'm sure that whoever it was in leadership that decided in Shadowkeep that since PvP wasn't directly driving revenue, it was safe to ignore, I'm sure that person got fired right? Right?
FLAWLESS POOL must come back.
Trial is not worth the stress and time for the regular player.
After 10 years trying to improve, I gave up. I'm not playing trials until we have flawless pool.
I like farming. I was just like you then I just decided to play at max sense and improve my aim in rumble. It's easier than ever to get adepts and flawless giving up ain't gonna lead to shit.
@@dre160 you play on console or PC?
it absolutely does. On top of that, you should never be matchmade with someone who has 30 flawless when you have 0 or 2 or something like that.
Ah yes here we go again, the same player base that complained about it, Bungie LISTENED and removed it and now YALL want it back lmfaooo. I actually hope Bungie stops listening to the player base because every time they do people like you complain about it and ask them to revert it. And btw you’re wrong. We do not need that garbage back.
@@PrimitiveAK ok Play each other you, 32 trials players
Thank you for elevating this issue. I have had some games where the odds show 100% chance of both winning or losing.... it feels like I am either stomping or getting stomped... our vlan has discussed how this among a couple other things seem fundsmentally broken since the update. But I concur with what you have said in the video!
Checked and I have a Boudica with Pugilist, Multikill Clip so happy...now just try to go for your roll. Thanks TV! Your videos are amazing and I enjoy new builds. Hawkmoon is so fun.
Every time I see something shady it’s crossplay related
exactly this, I have been watching this closely for a long time now and this is completely correct.
It's also like I'm dying much faster now and it doesn't feel right. Like I gotta spec into 100 resilience
100 res doesn't make difference while 2 people shoot you
Teamshots and auto rifle metas be like
@@IlPinguonauta true
@@SirTotallyCooki true
yea honestly if two ppl or more are next to each other looking at you just hide right away
It's Bungie... to believe they are going to do anything different at this point is the definition of insanity
I’m having the same exact issues, every day.
I’m a 1,9Kd, so not as good as you, yet I go thru the same experience.
I have a 1.15 and I'm dealing with this too.
@@sk8noonan0.08 for me all night going against hand holding God's 😂
I got my Kd to 1.95 before this update. and most games had a 2.5 plus kd. I can barely keep up a 1.5-1.9 kd, sometime straight trash kd.
Bro you cant even peep a corner without getting Swiss 🧀 by 3 guys.
Before you start an engagement there’s another guy right behind them, i keep getting thrown into guild games.
Whole enemy team except for one guy is almost all the time from the same guild
Yup! Bingo!
Been having the exact same issues in PvP since the update. Incomplete lobbies starting matches with 4v4, matchmaking taking forever and erroring out, and when I do find a match it’s a blowout almost every single game (sometimes in my favor, sometimes not).
What happens more often than not, is I’ll have one match where I stomp the other team, then the next 3 matches I’ll get spawn farmed by a stack. Rinse and repeat.
Last night was the first time I’ve ever seen that message in my near 10 years of Destiny.
Simply, people stopped playing after the changes. Even if you like double primary meta, there are a whole lot more people who just quietly quit pvp and destiny alltogether. Long ques, unbalanced teams is the byproduct of people leaving.
yeah, ima be honest, this checkmate change aint it. i tried to enjoy double primary, but its so unbelievably boring spamming lanes all game with aimbot no recoil autos. i really hope they fucking do something about this update, because there was a gigantic oversight.
The change to special was bad enough and completely killed the fun that made destiny unique. I can deal with that as i’m a sidearm main anyways. But the bodyshot ttk changes absolutely ruined so much. Now so many players are left easily one shot, then just run away as a result. The bodyshot ttk changes have essentially fostered and empowered a bunch of players to now play like fatherless cowards. And worse, theres no reliable and consistent special drops to charge them and stop them like before. You now have to either get a sidearm or smg or just play passive and boring. Thank fuck i love sidearms eh
Leave it to bungie to repeat there mistakes again and again once I play final shape I'm done
The recent changes made me stop pvp altogether. We needed some tweak here and there not a questionable ground breaking change. Since the same team working on final shape that the one that did lightfall i ll stop destiny 2 at the end of this expansion.
Nothing can save destiny at this stage
Had a 3v6 game that went to time and just felt like I was being mobbed or gang b***ed the whole time
I'm glad someone reputable is saying something. I jumped into solo trials the last two weekends ( just want a chance at some of the guns) and the balancing was so far off I felt like either I was worse than I knew I was or what.
I'm so happy a UA-camr made this video. This has been hell
What’s been bothering me is that the supposed lobby balancing changes are somehow worse than they were before. This weekend I had a game where I had a 34.0 and a we ran, and the next game my team got spawn farmed and I had like a 1.2 lol. It’s either stomp or be stomped
I'm glad that you are pointing this out. I was hoping the snake draft would help balance out the team. I think something as simple as "the worst player is on 1 team and the second worse player is on the other" could help games feel less one-sided. This hasn't been the case however, because the snake draft (the bungie one) doesn't even seem to be happening.
"I'm fine with losing" I would like to point out that you have a financial incentive that makes enduring terrible matches easier. Nothing wrong with that, glad to hear that you don't mind the losses even.
Most of us don't have a youtube or twitch following. Why do I have to be punished in solo Q for being decent at the game? The only logical choice is to stop playing after two losses where I was the only one fighting back. I have made the mistake of ignoring that rule and continuing on, hoping for a fun match or two, only to then keep on losing. Time is a fleeting luxury.
Really makes you want to stay away from those playlists to say the least.
TV I’ve been subbed to you for like 7 years and have long since quit destiny but you make it so tempting to pick up again
You seeing a video about long queue times and imbalanced teams makes you want to pick up D2 PVP again?
God bless man
was thinking the same thing. Madman.@@jasonjean5333
plz dont
This new sandbox is horrible. It's the worst pvp expirence I have ever had in any game.
Played trials this weekend and went a whopping 1-47 it was soo much fun!
Played regular crucible and its either a mercy (usually my side) or a blowout. Also missing a single headshot tanks your ttk and 8/10 causes you to lose that battle, or it's teamshotting and hand holding and 1v3. So much fun!
Did I also mention that its soo much fun to step into a lane and immediately get shot down from 60 meters away from a guy scoped in with a scout rifle? Double Primary Meta Hooray!
I agree with what you said about missing a headshot being very punishing and getting team shot with scouts feeling brutal even if you're very careful about peeking.
I have another theory. The recent changes to the sandbox and reduced special ammo have also kind of gone against the favour of the lower skilled players. I think that abundance of special might not be the best thing for overall health of the game, but it allows players to get the odd defeat they otherwise wouldn't, a fighting chance if you will. But removal of those factors paired with seemingly broken matchmaking parameters is also leading to a lot more players leaving games early.
i mean what you say is true in a sense but it also separates the good from the great. crutching on overpowered special weapons to perform well deserves to be shut down. the game is designed for you to play special after your primary and with this update as a passive special ammo user, it has never been better in terms of my experience with primaries bc i don’t have to worry ab ppl running at me with shotguns, camping corners with fusions, or standing in a head glitch with a sniper anymore. the change was needed, now they just need to tune auto rifles down a bit
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For the most part I agree. Just that I think there's more factors at play.
@@sol923 I think it's good but not perfect. Special weapons still have a skill curve and you can't really practise those skills if you don't have access to the tools a lot of the time.
Autos are a problem that's for sure, but I think as much as they are over-performing, it's equally problematic how some primary weapon types are now severely underperforming.
@@TLJGaming_ agreed this is why these factors need to be scrapped bc as the player who gets put with the sub 1000 elo players let me tell you. 1 above average player with 5 bots stands no chance against 5 average players with 1 bot. we need d1 matchmaking where we just play crucible with 0 background factors the game doesn’t have the player base to ever make matches perfectly balanced so they need to just scrap it. games been goin downhill ever since the sbmm was introduced. plus most good players avoid those game modes anyways 😭
Yeah. The precision damage changes were a mistake. Basic Jim is still going to lose most duels but now he has even less chance of getting a kill himself.
Meanwhile higher skilled players that land every crit are mowing people over easier than ever.
This is so funny! I thought it was my internet connection.😂 even though it’s 1k up 500dwn I was like hmm must be log jammed.
I love you and the family TV!!!
Thank you for doing this... I'm new to D2 and while I can hold my own in PVP (most if the time). I noticed that some of the other players are melting me with one or two shots.
It also takes awhile for marching to complete causing other players waiting to leave, which only extends the wait time. I added to a match that was literally 3 v 3!
I'm new to D2 and trying to rank up as well as get better loot so I don’t mind having to face top tier OG D2 vets as it will only make me better playing with the best.
The issue for me is the damn wait time.
That better be an Irish coffee
A scotch coffee is also acceptable
Ok sweet. So, not turning the game on again yet. Thanks for confirming. :)
Hey TV! I just wanted to say i appreciate you for what you do for the community. I have been watching you since i was like 13-14 and i am now almost 22. I have been in and out of the destiny community, and one of the most positive things i always seem to come back to destiny and find is your channel. So thanks for what you do. Hope life is treating you well!
I've had the same issues! I had a game that launched with 9 players, 3 on one team, 6 on the other, and that was crazy. But most games I get into (if I'm able to find a game without getting a mongoose code), usually has less than 6 per team. I'm not even a high skill player. I'd say I'm a 7 out of 10, 8 on a good day.
I've also had issues matching into other playlists. Gambit and Strikes I'm struggling to find full teams.
Lmao i feel like that last time pvp was right was 20th anniversary
30th?
30th you mean and yep it was great had a very few problems but overall great
Exactly the same.
It takes at least 8-10 minutes to find ‘12/12’ players in the supposedly most populated game modes (currently Control, Games Supremacy).
Then you spawn into a 3v3, with the exact same few names you played with yesterday, nobody else joins and the match ends in a mercy - either way.
I have been ERROR CODED 6 times so far for waiting too long to find a match - in the middle of the evening - it’s ridiculous.
I gave up playing this weeks ago. Came back to see the changes. Wish I hadn’t.
Evidently I am too highly skilled for the matchmaking to find 11 others like me 😂
Orrrrrrrr…. Nobody else plays this anymore!! 🤷♂️
I would also just add, Trials scores are not reliable. In the last 4 seasons my seasonal crucible k/d has been 2.86, 2.61, 2.91, 3.29 - and I feel pretty comfortable in that environment. It’s rare that I don’t top the leaderboard in my games. However, my overall win rate is 21%. The balancing has been broken for some time.
I don’t play much Trials - too many lag switchers, loan accounts, carries, xim and zen users on console to take it seriously… and my friends are truly casual players, so if I play with them it’s for laughs. Consequently my trials k/d is 0.29.
In comparison to my crucible k/d, it really is a joke.
Anyways, like I said, I don’t play this much anymore. THIS ^ is why.
Ho-hum, I’ll just go play The Finals instead.
I took the first 2 months of this year off, just jumped back in last week… and this has absolutely been my experience. All of this. It was so frustrating last night that I put the game down again, and I’m not coming back until The Final Shape at the SOONEST, if that. Final Shape will have to be an absolute banger-the best thing Bungie has ever done, and that INCLUDES making PvP enjoyable again-in order for me to even CONSIDER coming back. And this is from someone who bought my PS4 in 2014 specifically to play Destiny 1. I’ve been a player since launch, but not anymore. It’s been too many things being neglected for too long.
Something is definitely messed up with any pvp matchmaking, sometimes it just takes forever and gets stuck around 8 or 9 people. It's been like this for a hot minute though
You noticed now I have experienced this for like four months ago and I quitted this game, pvp was a heart of this game but bungie neglected it sad to see this game in this position
Haven't enjoyed PVP in ages but it's even worse than ever right now. I get rolled every game. Trials is even worse. The game is awful. And the special ammo nerfs were stupid as well because it was the only thing that made the game fun. Terrible game terrible sandbox terrible playerbase terrible everything literally 0/10
Ngl there being less 1 tap weapons and apes actually make it more fun imo. It's boring and frustrating when you get bum rushed for the 11th million time because someone refuses to use a primary.
Might be a case of watch a few videos and or practice your primary shot.
This is definitely a skill issue! If you rely on special amo then you were part of the problem & the reason Bungie took away the special amo. If you can’t get primary kills then you don’t deserve special amo
@lemmiwinks200 not the problem for me. I'm great with primaries. I just think faster CQC combat is way more fun. At the very least in standard sixes they should bring all special back. It's not serious. There's just no fun in it.
@@iwaskillcam1434 it's not a skill issue. You were just as capable of using special as me back then. Everyone was because we were given it equally. Moot point.
@cosmicquazar88 honestly actually having to think about how I'm going to engage and get out if it goes south is so much more interesting than going full chimpanzee with matadoor or conditional.
If your good with your primary you honestly shouldn't be complaining about special economy as you get loads from slaying out
Hell use a side arm. Legit the same cqc fantasy but requires more than one bullet to the chest or knees
In my opinion I think the slow match making is because the sandbox isnt good. You're going to see the playlist numbers dwindle lower than it was previously. Special as annoying as it can be was also a balancing factor giving people incentive to try and make plays. Now we are playing D2 vanilla with faster ttk's with no reason to move across the map. I don't see myself playing very much at all which sucks cause I absolutely love pvp and it's just plain boring now. I actually like checkmate in a competitive setting but 6's need to be fun and wild, I honestly think special was never an issue here.
I got that same error code the other day, also at a near peak time. and im in the very average/low skill bracket.
Ive also noticed really bad lobby balancing since the update. so many times im thrown in team after team where we are getting demolished by 100+ points.
Then Ive also noticed more case where one or two players are dominating the lobby with 40-50 kills per match yet every match they are STILL in the same lobby over and over
I had the same experience, long queue times and most matches were blowouts
very good video wow
imma subscribe and watch more, finally someone who has actual interesting informative content in their video :D
Agreed on the 6 stacks for sure. I am amazed also in the complete blowouts in Supremacy. I get completely crushed and Mercy. You have a great weapon to try and get 1 to 2 kills max...I have experienced this and as the guy on the bottom...you feel for the guy on your team who is still crushing it and will never even come close to coming back to win. I had a couple 4 on 6 matches and it is absolutely crushing. I have experienced a lot of the same problems. Guardians just disappearing mid game or beginning has been so frustrating. Great points and I hope they can bring even matches back.
I'm a 1kd player, playing on European Servers. Since March 5th I have rediculously long queue times, doesn't matter if it's cbmm or sbmm, doesn't matter what time it is. Sometimes I get mongoosed and finding a comp game is almost impossible more often than not.
Additionally, I experience extreme lag and desync in console crossplay lobbies since the update and nothing changed on my end. Sometimes it's fine, other games it's like I can't get any damage on the enemy players at all while they insta kill me or appear out of nowhere with no sound or radar ping to indicate they were anywhere close.
I'll empty a whole mag into someone just for them to turn around ohk me with a sidearm and then I'll get the kill notification when I respawn or something equally delayed.
Sometimes I even looked down the lane a second ago and suddenly there's a guy in my face from that direction with no invis or cover he could have been hiding behind in sight.
When that happens, I usually have a lot of either leavers or possibly disconnects (I get weasled or contacting servers as well occasionally though when I test my connection at these times it's just fine) and my team loses by a landslide because they seem to have the same troubles I do in regards of getting hitreg on enemy players.
Snakedraft doesn't seem to be working. A lot of games are very lopsided (though probably also because of the issues I mentioned above).
Team based mm has been an issue for me before. I matched 6 stacks even pre update but it happens more often in supremacy now so I'm not sure if that playlist has ftbmm to begin with. (Not even sure it has cbmm given the lag and long queue times tbh.)
I've noticed a very strong tendency that the mm will put both duos or trios on the same team though and that is something that has been happening since they implemented ftbmm and has irked me ever since. It seems like a 90% chance for it to happen (outside of 3s playlists obviously).
Same in the USA. It's Bungie code that is broken and many players don't even bother anymore from the insanity.
I had almost the exact same game happen to me yesterday. I had 20 kills and the next highest was 10. The highest on the other team was freaking 60. Absolutely absurd
60!!!!!! WTF !?!!? Insane.
I've been seeing something similar. Long queue times and matches starting with lower player numbers.
This is a lot like some of my experience as well. I had a long streak in trials where the rounds were over almost, and not in a good way (I lost fast and barely even did damage, never mind got a kill), before they started. I then ended up in a couple of matches that were almost the exact opposite. There was only about three, maybe four, matches out of nearly a hundred trial matches that ended up being fairly balanced. Before the most recent meta change, I had consistently gotten fairly balanced matches, even if I have only gone flawless once. I usually only play trials once a season so don't have much experience there. I was told when I tried to make a help forum post that it was due to the large number of players that was the issue last weekend but that didn't exactly match what I was trying to say. I did add your video to the post as it demonstrates what I was experiencing and worded it better. Hopefully, that will help others understand that it isn't just me having this issue. True, I consistently have shorter wait times then you do and haven't been kicked due to lack of matching but that doesn't change the rest of it actually being similar to my experience.
I've had the same issue when playing solo where all the fire teams were on one team and solo's in the other. Complete blow outs.
Yeah I’ve sat waiting in lobbies about that long too. Even caused me to miss the deadline for the focused playlist winner packages!
Also, that first lobby balance you showed is... not too far off from optimal expected snake draft.
What you got:
2020 1751
1516 1706
1513 vs 1469
1157 1402
1150 1325
1119 1189
Optimal:
2020 1751
1516 1706
1513 vs 1469
1325 1402
1189 1157
1119 1150
Basically 2 small swaps at the bottom of the range, that occur within the margin of error of Elos at that level.
I had a comp game yesterday where my team started with only two and the other team had a two-stack. Whats even worse is the one teammate I did have was afk for the first round and then left before the second round started. This was a very frustrating game to play
I'm glad I'm not the only one experiencing these issues.
Happened to me too, had 3 games in a row of 5v6 for the entire match, then sat in matchmaking for 5+ mins before logging off. I usually don't notice matchmaking problems but it's been very noticeable the past few days.
Queue times are horrific atm. The few hours after work I get are spent in orbit
I get the exact same thing . The way you described everything is my experience 100%
Thanks for speaking up i appreciate it.
All these things you speak of have been happening to me for at least 6+ months.
Sometimes but not often, when its 4v4 and a teammate quits the game will find a player for the enemy team making it a 3v5.
Often ill look through my friends list and ill be able to find friend in one of these games and ill be able to join. One thing we can do to help is keeping our privacy open so if you are getting stomped on friends can potentially join you and help
Hey TV I am absolutely having the exact same experience. When you pulled up that screenshot of the ELO ratings where the entire other team is above 1k and half your team are below 1k it was like looking at my own game history on Destiny Tracker. Something really isn’t right I agree. I am also a Diamond player in 6’s
I have experienced the exact same issues on a number of occasions
Your office looks super nice brother. Nice collection 👊
This happens to me all the time. The matchmaking not being able to find players for a full lobby resulting in Mongoose error codes, matches starting with 7-9 players in the lobby, matchmaking not refilling lobbies when people leave matches on mass resulting in 3v6 for half the match. I don't know man they never seem to get the matchmaking to a good place. It's always just more of the same in my experience.
I've also gotten the 'we can't find any players within the time limit' and boot me back to orbit a few times.
I've found that if i see it's taking way to long i can quit the matchmaking and restart, and it throws me into a match in like 30 seconds.
I frequently see totally unbalanced lobbies also. we either steamroll the other team, or i get steamrolled. only had a few close matches