I just want to make it clear that my intention with this video was not to scare people away from trying Destiny 2. I just want to offer my frustrations that have built up over the years, because I don't want people falling in the same trap I did by having the wrong expectations. That being said, there was plenty that I should have said better in this video and a few things that I got completely wrong. For example the power level is not set to increase next season, and I forgot to remove the prices of seasons that were free with the Deluxe editions. And while I may not have addressed the issues that you think are the worst, I voiced my struggles with the game and you can take that for what it's worth. If you are thinking about trying Destiny 2, by all means don't listen to some random guy on UA-cam, just give it a go and enjoy it. I just personally feel like my investment hasn't entirely been worth it.
I do recommend at least trying it and there are plenty of us D2 players that are more than happy to help new comers through content and love taking them through Raids or Dungeons (basis of the clan I'm in is to help others)
@@xXDarthBagginsXx THIS. I feel like the best way to steer away from the typical mmo trap is to encourage teaching the game. You know, like mentor student style. Imagine if d2 had a teaching culture.
Ok so first thing I'm gonna say Is that I'm a D1 year 1 vet and what that means in case you don't know is that I've been playing Destiny since the very first year of it's release but I'm thinking you really don't understand the game but as I've said before if you don't like the game don't play it but posting videos like this which is based solely on your personal opinion there's over a billion guardians world wide that love this game as much as I do I don't know maybe your a COD player but I will agree with you about one thing the Destiny community has gotten worse but not the game anyway the next time you feel like doing a public service like you think your doing about this do us all a favor and DONT!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ethankim7979 There is, alot of streamers discords are full of people willing to help/sherpa new players. Problem is with the Red War being pulled the whole intro mission set has been pulled out of the game and has yet to be replaced with something worth calling an intro/initiation quest set.
As a Destiny 2 player, you don't complain because the game is bad, you complain because you love the game and want to see it do well and thrive. Which is hard to do when it's breaking every other week.
"If having cancer made you have better RNG, Bungie would find the cure in like fifteen minutes." This is probably the most painfully accurate summary of my problems with bugs in D2
Facts. I read an article from 2 days ago about a legendary shard farm by pulling guardian games class items from collections and dismantling. Tried it yesterday. Patched. Smdh.
"If having cancer gave you better RNG Bungie would find the cure in fifteen minutes" omg that statement had me in stitches. It's so accurate too, the video in general I would say, coming from someone with almost 5k hours between D1 and D2.
It’s not too late. I quit 3 “DLC”s ago. Used the time I’ve had to lift. Became an armored combat fighter (literal knight). And started a hobby that’s turning into a business. I hold those hours i spent in raids and PvP yelling slurs at my friends very close to my heart. But that time has passed.
I believe we stick around for 2 reasons. 1. We have invested so much time into it that it's hard to let go. 2. This game has so much potential we are kind of hoping they make it better. I truly believe that under the right management this game can be A+ . Unfortunately bungie does not respect the player base. It's not that they are lazy It's that we are the product. They keep throwing subpar and recycled content at us and we still continue to throw our money at them.
the issue is that ANY property this old will be at this stage, the 'people already are attached to it so it's time to shit it up' stage. there is no going back here just like there's no going back with Twitter, Amazon, or any other corporately owned (or previously owned) entity that has lasted this long. :( gently and with love, I just would not hold my breath..
Before my dad passed he loved playing destiny 1 with all of his friends. He sadly only got to play the beginning of destiny 2. Ill miss hearing him shout during raids.
I feel you. I play with my dad pretty frequently. He's a masochist and loves pvp even when he's terrible. I'm hoping to get him through a new raid for him on father's day
I don't dislike it, nor do I feel like I wasted my time. I spent 2700 hours on it. Ive made many friends, did many raids, we had lots of fun. Still do. The game is chalked full of content to do and play. It's all a mind set. You gotta just do what you can alone, and then set time aside for raids or dungeons. Raids are not fun, and LFG does not help that. Bearing that all in mind you also have to understand that, you don't need to do raids, you don't need the best guns, you don't need God rolls. You choose to farm, you choose to waste your time. I don't regret my time on it, and I think many people have a terrible view on this game. Edit - you also do not have to pay full price for anything, just be patient. Do not pay full price just wait.
The worst part of the story is that the lore is amazing. The campaign always feels like something you want to rush to get it over with. One thing i will give destiny is that the ost is absolutely amazing.
I will ALWAYS love the lore and worldbuilding of Destinu. The Story showed how good it could actually be with Witch Queen but Lightfall did literally one thing important and answered no questions about anything. Not to mention the fact there's nothing to actually grind builds/rolls for that's truly unique and the content drought at the second half of the Season is so frustrating. I don't want to do GMs to guild a Title every season, I want stuff to actually do.
Lore is what kills games. Gameplay should matter way more than the damn story. I can read a book for much less than a game which I care about the quality of the game.
"omg guys i know that playing this game feels worse than my dad's belt but can we please appreciate the music??" +50k karma, and everyone suddenly forgets about all the game issues. That's how it feels sometimes
I’m glad you talked about this. A lot of people in the community seem to just not care what Bungie does anymore. Last time I saw people push back against Bungie (besides all of Lightfall) was when the solstice event card was added. Now we’ve had 3 more since and no one seems to care. Bungie just recently made the seasons more expensive, yet people are still defending them and trying to act like their spokesperson. I love the game, I really do, but when the DCV was announced I knew Destiny was taking a nosedive. The 30th anniversary and Witch queen DLC had me hoping for a better game, but Lightfall leaves me in the same position as Beyond Light. I just want the game to improve and to finally stop pulling its punches, but with a community that thinks saying “I just want the content I payed for” is controversial, I just don’t know at this point. Again, great work, you listed a lot of the community’s problems.
I quit at the DCV and sunsetting....tried to play it a year later and I remembered why I loved and hated this game in equal measure. I uninstalled it soon after. I am happy now.
Yall have comprehension issues. Moat of your complaints can be summed up with you being the issue. If your opinion isnt echo chambered you question the other person instead of that shit opinon you hold
When bungie left activision, you could literally tell when the content funded by then had run its course. By season 10 and every season since then the content is always the exact same, it’s boring and overly repetitive and people seem to have no issue? When snipers were buffed for 2 seasons people were tired of it by season 9, but swords and linear fusion rifles having their hay day (after season 10) have been welcomed as perfect year long metas.
My saddest part about destiny 2 was them killing the original base campaign and removing the level system. Yeah they changed the storyline around but it wpuld be fun to boot up year 1 destiny 2 again and spawn into the farm with a whole bunch of level 1s and 2s
On the topic of making friends, of the nine years I've been playing, I've really only met two people who I came back and played more with, and I still remember how we met to this day. The bond brothers strike in d1. The three of us were struggling for hours to get through the boss arena. When we finally got through it, they invited me to a call, and I got roped into their friend group. We had our own little clan long before they were officially introduced into d2. We're still a clan today, but everyone went their own ways. I'll pop on every once and a while and maybe see a couple of them there, but it's been years since the old squad got together and actually did something
The deluxe editions weren’t just dungeons and extra cosmetics, they were also all the seasons for the year, and for the 80$ one during witch queen it also included the “birthday” dlc.
@@yoshmaik 🤷🏼♂️ just pay for your content. this is literally the equivalent to “i paid for 5/6 slices of the pizza and they want me to pay for the 6th slice so i cant eat it😡” or like in a porno when you havent paid for a subscription so you dont get to see the cumshot at the end. pay for the content you use/watch. it doesnt come out of thin air. sorry.
as of today I'm at roughly 3.3k hours into the game and I agree with most of whats in this video. The game just isn't fun enough to be worth the money anymore. Edit: you forgot to mention that if you get a decently rolled piece of armor you will NEVER take it off unless its to slot in an exotic piece. I am still wearing stuff from season of arrivals because its the highest stat rolled armor I have ever gotten.
Yeah especially since old content is now being pulled away as you're buying new content. In Destiny 1, it felt like I was adding onto a tower of content when I purchased a DLC. But now I feel like I have to constantly spend money just to keep up with the game.
@@CafeCharlie And that's if you're keeping up. I used to play with people but they got kids and I eventually so out leveled them that THEY got tired of playing with me. games not fun when only one persons getting kills.
If anyone is playing destiny 2 and hasn't bought expansions, let me suggest something to you. Buy a musical instrument of some sort instead, you will be able to hold what you have purchased in your hands, you will actually gain satisfaction, and some company won't be able to take it away at any time. Also nice lorna shore in the background lol
It is never too late. I left D2 during season of hackers after 1700+ hours. I know it is not that much but still. This was one of my best decisions, i have never felt so light and free as a gamer.
I HAVE to comment on this video, which is very well done by the way. I started playing in season 18 and still play today. I have put in about 700~ hours already. I agree with EVERY point in this video. I think the thing that bothers me the most about the game is now that I have all of these guns, I dont feel the need to play the new content because it isn't offering anything that i dont already have. This game has so much potential but it really has become a drag to play recently.
@@timytimeerased I genuinely think it would be a good thing if they did like a mass reset on weapons every expansion or something but I'm not a developer idk how they could do it
As someone who has been playing since D1 day 1 I just can’t stop at this point after trying multiple times at the lowest points. I’ve come to the conclusion that I might as well see it to the end now.
Basically. I’d like to see what the final shape is and what happens to the Witness but also our character. Since we’ve been through so much. From killing kings to gods, now facing a being that has been around since the creation before nothing existed.
@@toemater5248 if it’s been anything like it’s been like with how they have done LF, I can see them milking all three seasons by drip feeding the campaign more than they have already. It’s actually pretty sad and disappointing that they did us dirty by only releasing small bits of the campaign each season instead of doing what they used to do. But they’ve pretty much become what they left. Milking the playerbase like they did in everything before they left Activision/Blizzard but only worse because they are making actual campaign content behind seasons instead of a full campaign which is what we should have gotten to begin with.
I'm a new player. Just started playing in Feb 2023, after I saw a couple of friends stream playing the new expansion. I think I have around 200hrs in the game now. I've never been a fps guy, but this game won me over. The grind to get to 1800 was pretty enjoyable, and you seem to always have new activities to try, new planets to visit, and new weapons and armor to collect. That was the first month or so. The last month I've struggled to get a measly 20 more light since I don't do any end game content. I still have lots to do, I've only completed one campaign, I've only played one class and 2 subclasses. I can see myself sinking another few hundred hours in this game. On my limited experience, I can commend the game on its visuals, music, mechanics, creative builds of the subclasses (thanks to the community), and overall power fantasy of your guardian. The game just feels satisfying and fun to play. On the other end, your progress hits wall so hard when you get to a certain point, and grinding for a couple of light points becomes a chore. Most exotics are meh, and even when you get a good one it has the wrong stats. I understand that infinite progress is impossible, but there should be a way to still make the rewards satisfying. Either way, kudos to you guardians that have been on the frontlines for almost a decade. Thank you to your dedication and your wallets. I will see you in either the vanguards or the battlegrounds, with my non tripled hundred set of armor and my non meta weapons. Thanks ahead of time for the countless revives I'm going to need per mission!
Bro, I'm in the same situation as you. I joined on the same month. I sadly only have time to play on the weekends tho.😔 Edit: I'm a Void Titan. So I'm going to help my fellow crayon eaters to victory. For Lance!!.
About using non-meta weapons, just play what feels fun! I hate metas, it forces players into a rigid role that isn't any fun and gets boring and stale fast. I've mained Warlock since D2 Beta, and since Well of Radiance came into the game people have almost always demanded a Well for Raids and Dungeons rather than just play for fun. Don't get bottlenecked into using certain abilities or weapons just because others say you have to. I recommend using weapons like Ruinous Effigy, Traveler's Chosen, Cerberus+1, or even Worldline Zero, or anything that just is fun to mess around with. Like explosions? Go with things that have Chain Reaction, Chill Clip, Reservoir Burst, Dragonfly and Firefly. Doesn't have to be a 5/5, 100% godroll. Wanna just kick back and slay without much thought? Rig up an overshield/damage resist/Devour build and find your favorite auto rifle, smg, or machine gun and just hold down that trigger. Lots of youtubers and streamers keep saying "Oh, get this godroll for PvP or PvE, it's amazing!" when they can't really tell you how the gun will feel in your hands. Go out, try out a bunch of weapons, find what models and perks feel the best to you so you have a personally tailored gun you wanna chase or craft. I still have an amazing Stryker's Sure-Hand sword that I forged back in the Black Armory days with a non-mainstream roll that felt amazing to me. Go out and do your own thing, just make sure you're enjoying yourself in the meantime. Games are supposed to be fun.
Glad to have you guardian! Don't sweat power level for the most part. Unless you are doing GMs or day one raids it isn't all that important to hit the max. At a certain point endlessly replaying the ritual playlists for pinnacle drops each week will burn you out. Just enjoy the grind in the playlists you like and if you need help with any dungeons going forward hit me up 👍
As a guardian who’s grinded to hell and back when it came to crafting god rolls, making my builds, and slogging through getting the right armor combo, it’s not always that important when starting. Though, if you find yourself getting deeper into doing solo legend lost sectors, they aren’t too bad when it comes to getting exotics sometimes. And getting enchancent cores and prisms doesn’t hurt either. And nightfalls usually give pretty good weapons and materials for masterworking your armor. And masterworking your armor adds +2 to each of your stats which is always beneficial. Though when masterworking exotics it can be more taxing on your materials. Though if you can get buddies to do legend NF, then you’ll really start pulling in good mats. Also doing trials can be fun if you’re not taking it too seriously. Even if you lose, you can still keep going and get engrams from Saint for decent gear and weapons too. Getting flawless isn’t everything, though it can be cool to get up to if it happens. Of all my years playing D1 and D2 I’ve only went flawless once.
There were a few minor inaccuracies in the video but you are completely correct. Bungie does what they do because they can get away with it. That alongside bad management is what is causing this game to always be potential. Light-fall was extremely rushed and only has that 33% positive review rating because the people who actually work on the game are extremely talented, they just have to put up with terrible management. Nothing will change until there is an actual good competitor, which still hasn't happened yet, or until people just start leaving if they go too low with the amount and quality of content.
Hey man. I used to worship Destiny 2, loved it from the minute it came out, stuck with D2 for years, until last year, when I realized i wasn't having fun, I was doing chores. I switched to space sims, and have playes No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and now, fixating on Star Citizen, that give me the best experience so far. I loved Destiny, but now I have moved on
@@darkdrinker7630 don't be, find other games that are fun, in my case is star citizen, is actually space. Find a new game, peruse in steam, of wait for starfield, that's what Im doing.
I have poured well over 3-4 thousand hours between both games and this video literally put my feeling towards the current game into words. No game can kill Destiny because Bungie is killing it themselves.
To be honest I think you are feeling that existential dread of realizing youve wasted time on something that doesnt matter, nothings dying except us lol the game was worse before we were just ok with grinding on mars and mining stone for hours lol
@@bleacchyA single, slightly fun activity doesn't wash away all the bullshit from the past and all the bullshit that's yet to come. This is the problem with Destiny's community. A new Raid comes out for example and people love it and now all of the problems that everyone was complaining about not even 5 seconds ago have just been completely washed away. It's literal clown behavior, and I say this having stuck behind Destiny for 9 fucking years...
You hit a lotta these points on the head perfectly. Bungle doesn't respect the player's Investment and make some questionable decisions. Hell im right there with you, 4000+ Hours with little to show for it. Though my issue withh Raids is that i _do_ have a group to run with, but we just CANNOT keep it going. We'll start one and then for whatever reason we cant finish it
I swear to god i don't get how people have this experience, having a full friend's list and getting free random invites from people to get a lfg raid done instead of re-queueing in the companion app or discord is a constant stream of loot as long as you loosely understand how to clear endgame content.
@@Zevox144 I haven't the slightest clue 🤷🏻♂️. I queue up with randoms from lfg for a raid run. We beat it effortlessly and quickly. Everyone start saying this is the fastest and best team they ran with and they start adding everyone, only to never play with any of them again 🤔🤔
@@UA-camHandleUnknown it’s because nobody takes the initiative to message everyone for another raid, I wish there was matchmaking so we can just queue with randoms instead of having to form meaningless connections
The thing that saved destiny for me was that I found an amazing clan full of wonderful people. Not the most active bunch but I can consistently do raids/gms/dungeons and never feel worried about screwing up
I miss playing og destiny when it first came out. The wonder and fun playing it blind was the best experience I’ve ever had with destiny, even after playing TTK and WQ.
Most of your points are valid. I as a hardcore d2 player with thousands of hours spent in destiny guess most destiny players invested way too much to just stop playing and hope the game to become what they expected it to be years ago.
Met many great people through Destiny and shared countless unforgettable moments with them. We played many games, but Destiny was always our go to. I personally had a crazy amount of time invested (approximately 4000hrs before Lightfall released). Nearing the end of Witch Queen, I realized that although Destiny and games like it were fun, video games were ultimately steering me toward an unfulfilled life. Since then, I've sold my Xbox and diverted my time and focus towards things that will benefit me and my future. There are still times when I want to play however I'm quickly reminded that I don't have an Xbox anymore 😂. I still talk to many of my clan mates, although not as frequently as I'd like. I'm glad I made this decision, and to be honest, I've never been happier
You getting the All Alone emote and then immediately exiting the game was hilarious to me, sums up everything you we’re talking about as a solo player in this game.
I agree with much of this. It always bugs me when anything pro-player is patched immediately but other things remain untouched. The one thing I'll take issue with is the friends angle. My 12 year old son watched me play, and wanted to try it. He asked where I got certain weapons. I kid you not, he downloaded the Bungie app and is always on LFG. He has done master raid bosses. Trials. Oryx. Nezarec. THIS week he got Vex. He had the catalyst done the next day - from LFG. I know we all gripe and moan about that one time someone was mean in LFG. My kid is 12. A squeaker. But he's done more raiding than me and my older son combined. At this point he could be a raid sherpa probably. Just saying in about 2 months he's now completed every raid, every dungeon, (maybe not prophecy yet) and lfg is his playground. Did I mention he's 12? 😂
This was me with Destiny 1. I got it as a gift from a family friend for my 13th birthday shortly after D1 released. Every night after school I would LFG for raids and I was the squeaker kid explaining how to do each encounter to my team 😂 I didn't realize it at the time but I was 100% a Sherpa back then.
ive put majority of my youth into this game and as much as i have had a blast throughout it and some truly amazing moments, it really feels like it was all for nothing because the devs dont give a crap about any of us and the days of house of wolves and ttk community and dev connection feel severed. I doubt it was ever there but the streams with content creators and the devs (deej) felt like we were enjoying something altogether. Destiny has just become a chore to us to get the loot that you cant get after a while causing fomo.
honestly if the time that you put in back during how and ttk made you happy if you enjoyed spending that time that you put into destiny and you made some memories along the way then it wasnt for nothing because that stuff means more than the game fr
The commentary on the bugs is probably the MOST agreeable. Bungie DOES historically seem to focus the fun exploits immediately rather than comment/ commit to fixing game breaking bugs that HURT enjoyment. The last time we saw them give one to us in a BIG way was when menagerie had a loot exploit and they were like "Yep we know, we will patch it in two weeks, go nuts, have fun"
@@blackranger3d they let the multi fireteam glitch run for about 6 weeks Bungie even commented on it saying to have fun with it while it was still there Also the last wish deepsight bug which is getting patched on tuesday
Honestly on the topic of raid teams, you have to weed through a ton of people to find the ones you have some synergy with. Starts with GM Nightfalls and random raids, once you have a few people you can consider friends, finding the rest tends to be a bit easier. Biggest recommendation is that you just have to be willing to not give up on one another when trying to learn or teach etc. Then if you commit and get through it, you all have to play it again at some point. You'll most likely cut your time from, 4 hours to 2 hours.
I was really shocked when i watched him complained about finding friends for raid/dungeon team lol. Im very new compared to most players here, I only stated in Season of Plunder (September?) last year. I've never had problems with what he said and I never realized how lucky I am. Me and 2 more friends started playing together, and we had a friend from previous games who invited us to join his clans full of people willing to help us in any activities and teach us just about anything. They never complained about our 1st time raid going on for like 2 hours (i think thats the longest we've took, learning VoD and TLW), and I guess the credit should be given to my friend who explains each encounters very very well and me and my friends picking things up quick too. Now most raid takes us more or less an hour. And less than a year later I think I can safely consider me and my 2 friends being really proficient in this game now and the 3 of us still play new/unplayed dungeons and figure them out ourselves without checking anyhting and asking anyone, it's hella fun discovering how each encounter works. Almost 900 hours in myself and it's been very very fun throughout, PVP shotgun apes frustration aside. hahaha
The community is like glass. Shattered and all over the place. But sometimes it gets hot enough and we all band together and have a great time. It’s when you’re alone that the game is a little iffy. Go in the with either the intention of making friends or having friends with you.
D1 vet here, I quit in late 22. My biggest issue was how the core activities were neglected/affected by time (and the changes that went with sub-class upgrades). Meanwhile the laundry list of stuff you had to do (often in the core activities) just got longer and longer....all of it boring, and often frustrating. (and you're right...my list of boring stuff won't really match my friends' lists of boring stuff, so that's another nail in the coffin.) D1 PvP was a million times more fun than D2's 2.0 ability spam, heavy-is-always-on-the-map, everyone is running a shield type bs. D2 strikes are a joke because everything falls over as soon as someone looks at it with an ability. Good luck getting *those weapon kill bounties* done?! And the upshot is these changes (ie. the 2.0 changes) have been made to entice newer, more transient players in, and keep them on the amazement-hamster wheel. Don't let stuff stay the same for too long, or they might leave!! So the seasonal mode resetting keeps people walking around a maze essentially....one they never leave. Meanwhile....a new strike please? Oh no, but here's another seasonal horde mode pretty much exactly like the last one, and the one before that. Bungie's ultimate goal is to keep you online longer, so there's more chance you'll put some real money down on microtransactions for some cosmetics. Which will almost certainly leave you with silver left over...and you wouldn't want to waste that now would you?? So you better buy some more, with more real money!! Everything said in the video about the team-related stuff (3-6 hours in a raid IF you can get people who ALSO know what they're doing, AND THEN a random chance of NOT getting what you want), is 1000% true. *AND THANK-GOD* someone said what raids truly are: confusing communication puzzles. The balancing a piano on your finger metaphor is *SO* on point! Why are they designed like that? Because you can teach people (like rats) to follow a pattern. But you *can't* teach people to move and shoot better...that's up to individuals to improve if they want to. So to make a raid difficult enough to be a challenge Bungie had a choice...make the combat so hard that some players just wouldn't get thru the raid (ever), or make it a kind-of aliens-in-space square dance, one in which you have to first learn the arbitrary moves, in order to have a semi-decent chance of success. Of course, they could have come up with more flexible, varied roles for team members, and/or encounters with more unpredictability. So there would be something for each type of player, and it wouldn't get boring or repetitive. BUT THAT would take money and time....two things Bungie is increasingly reluctant to spend on Destiny. Such a shame...the mystic space exploration with combat vibe of D1 was amazing, and had as much or more potential than any game I've ever played.
The power level isn't moving for the entire year, 1810 is going to be pinnacle till FS. Sunsetting weapons is also gone and weapons from 3 or 4 seasons ago are arguably still meta (incandescent rolls). They have also been doing passes on exotics with refreshes that roll out in waves. Just corrections to the video info to keep in mind.
Well sunsetting has stopped but it is definitely not gone. I still can't use anything from Season of Dawn back (anywhere that light level matters at least). But that's cool that the power level is going to sit still, that should be interesting.
@@HajileMalach No I don't think so, they aren't really any more of a problem than most of the stuff we see come out today. Plus the sunsetting doesn't restrict them from pvp (the only area that they would cause a real issue).
I heard next season but holy hell whole year!? whats the incentive to grind then? once you hit max that's it. man lotta people gonna find other games to play round probably season 3 if not late next season.
Wow I completely agree with this video,, it was very well put together and explains and sums up the destiny experience as a franchise well..I hope the devs see this fr
Honestly I think I've finally managed to cut the habit for good. Didn't touch the game when Lightfall came out, not even to just check in and play around with being a Guardian a bit. I'll always have a place in my heart for Destiny's world and the few good friends I made tangentially through it, but it's too far gone now.
I was "lucky" to finally say enough is enough just before shadowkeep. Couple months ago I got shadowkeep and beyond light at a discount. I'm sure, because it's light fall era and I don't have a season pass, I've missed out on some things but it only took 2 months to play those dlcs to my satisfaction. Not sure they were even worth the discounted price.
I just wish I could play the game from season 9 before Bungie ruined it all. Season 10 was when for the first time we saw what content they were actually capable of. And it’s been the same exact seasonal content and model for 3 years, and nobody seems to care
For someone who’s played nearly 5000 hours on Destiny 2. I’ve finally hung up the Hunter cloak/Titan Mark/Warlock bond… PERMANENTLY. I’ve had enough of it. Only soooo long can one go through the seasonal formula. Time to move on from this toxic game.
Gonna be honest, despite the game having genuine issues, a lot of this just makes me think “that sounds like a you problem” especially given it seems like it’s taken you 9 years to figure out you don’t like a game
Been playing this game for five years (ish) and have made a grand total of 9 friends, that’s almost two friends a year! Now not everyone wants to do end game content, only two of them do, which is perfect for GMs, raids we do have to LFG for, surprisingly the guardian ranks system has actually given us the shared goal of all getting to rank 11 rather than making it a race. Then I’ve got my casual friends who don’t want to leave the strike playlist, custom matches, and random talking in patrol zones (three of my friends). The rest of my friends are dungeon junkies, working on getting into endgame content by spamming the heck out of dungeons.
I started D2 on Dec 2019, Season of Undying. Back then I was literally having fun, starting as a new light with little to no experience on what is Destiny. Every content is exciting and thrilling, going in with 2 of my buddies, we overcame all of the obstacles. Despite of having no gears, low level, stuck in an exotic quest for hours, getting wrecked in a nightfall and those painful grinds on pinnacles, we were still enjoying every inch of D2 and looking forward for the next chapter. Fast forward to this day, I couldn't say I have the same excitement when playing D2 anymore. Everything fell like a chore, I'm no longer the new light 4 years ago, I got my loots and godrolls after all these years of grinding but at what cost? Destiny 2 now is never the same as the Destiny 2 I used to enjoy, my buddy left the game a season ago, everything in the game just feels.... empty...
Destiny is an example of a sunk cost fallacy if there ever was one. Not getting my money again. That's not to say others can't enjoy it, but Bungie's continued tomfoolery killed all interest I personally had.
I dont know how many hours the creator has played exactly but he mentioned 2000hrs dont know if thats between both d1 and d2 but split over 9 years that isnt enough play time to get you out of casual player status. I tried the math and the average play time was only 4-5 hour a WEEK. I think you need at least double that to actually get something out of the game to not regret it. The more you put in the more you get out. Im a seasoned player that started in taken king and i dont know how many hours i have in d1 but i have easily over 3000 hours in d2 alone, but probably half that in d1. There is some valid criticism here that im not trying to devalue but on terms of regret its because it seems that the creator has been playing very casually this entire time. Being a casual is fine but if you dont get past surface level it sounds disingenuous to say youve played for 9 years. Thats where the regret comes from. I dont recommend anyone stick around that long if you can on average only play an hour a day you need at least 10 hours or more a week to get most of what this game has to offer.
The friend issue for raids is super real but you can 3 man all the raids in the game and doing such a thing feels amazing. No game compares to conquering that challenge.
This ^^ It is the biggest high when you low man stuff or pull off a flawless raid, finish a raid seal etc. seems like he just missed out on the best stuff because he didn’t have a group to play with.
I think the only problem I have with how raiding is now versus in D1 is that you have tokens instead of just reviving teammates in normal. Instead of making a awesome three man kill against the boss with three or two teammates down, you basically gotta play it safe ALL the time.
@ADJCSee the issue with that,and before I say this I agree in a way, the token system is designed around having 6 players. They should have a low man version or just know that if you have only 3 players you can have unlimited revives like in the days of old. But don't hold our breaths. Lol
I'll push back on that a little bit. While you can technically 3 man all of the raids but some of them require exploits that are just kinda sketchy to do. Like some require joining alies, well/shatter skating, and straight up breaking an encounter by other means in order to complete. But I have done some low man stuff that is feasible for higher skilled player and I'll agree that it is a blast and a rush to do. I'm just not resorting to cheering things in order to get it done.
In my 7 years of playing this game I've made six friends, which is less than one per year. The way I was able to make these friends was consistently dumb coincidences, "oh you like spicy wings too? How novel. Let's be best friends" And then you have to add each other outside of the game on something like discord... And you have to keep in touch and eventually marry them. It becomes a whole thing. Alternatively, you can take your current non-destiny playing friends and trick them into playing the game. People generally enjoy being hoodwinked 😊
Oh my God. When you dropped that 710 price tag, i have to add an extra 200 because i bought witchqueen and lightfall for a friend who doesn't play the game as much as me. Realizing I've dropped over 900 dollars on this game(not including silver) makes me feel ill
It's never too late to quit playing a game. I played League of Legends for 6 years and spent probably around $300 to $400 dollars on skins. I quit back in 2018, and never looked back, in fact I've never gotten back into any live service game, I pretty much only play single player games. The only "live service game" I play is Killing Floor 2, and only every now and then.
as a player who has 2.5k hours in d2 starting season 17, i can 100% say the raids are amazing, (other then vow) and ive made a lot of good friends i talk to and play games with outside of destiny. this video just honestly sounds like he doesnt want to enjoy multiplayer and wants to play a multiplayer game solo.
I’m a newer player (started ~season 15), but I’ve quickly racked up a ton of hours. The best part of the game is PvP (no bias here lol). I think the core of this game is the loot grind, and acting the like the reskinned guns or new content that’s still just the same format is terrible is a bit extreme, though it definitely wears you down (the seasonal model got tiresome quickly, though the weekly story missions are generally pretty interesting). I have made friends playing, through PvP. I’d agree that raids are where friendships go to die, but a dungeon or gm is great with friends. I think the worst part of the game is the new player experience, but I’ve been happy with what bungie has had to offer (except their lack of crucible updates 😔). Nice video
In my head I’m supposed to stop when the Final Shape comes out, but I hate that I know I’m not going to. Just because I will want to try new subclasses
Just pull the trigger man. I had over 2500 hours between bnet and steam. I uninstalled one day and haven’t looked back. It’s tough but you will not regret it
Don't worry I'm not actually addicted to the game anymore, I don't have it installed or anything. The new season looks cool but I'm fine missing whatever else comes to Destiny, I'd rather spend that time and money on games that I actually enjoy.
@@CafeCharlie good on you and good video. I took a small break after witch queen, came back for plunder, and realized that nothing in the game is really worth the time investment. I agree the new season seems cool and I have a few friends that still play but personally I just feel that everything in destiny has been beaten to death at this point activity/grind wise. Just stopped seeing the point in grinding the new shiny toy when in 3 months there would be a new one. That being said the game will hold a special place in my heart for a long time, sad it turned out this way imo
I gave up on Destiny 2 after the infamous sunset (which made more than half of my weapons obsolete) Also the fact that they took Forsaken away, it was my favorite DLC and the fact that they took away something that I paid for was very annoying.
It's never too late to quit. :) I quit right before Witch Queen after 1300 hours. Beyond Light's grind, seasonal model and monetization was just too much. It's too much effort to raid, and more specifically gear up to raid. Sure I missed out on Witch Queen's campaign, but what I didn't miss was even more recycled content, another year of no new Gambit or PvP maps, aggressive monetization, and Lightfall's terrible story. I also didn't have to regrind my Light subclasses for the fourth time since D1. I also didn't miss out on weapon crafting, which like every new system in D2 is overly grindy for the first season before it's "fixed". After not playing for 15-16 months, I really don't miss it. I'm curious to see how the saga ends, but I don't need to play to learn that. That's what UA-cam is for.
I never comment on videos, and this is the single most disengenous video I have ever seen released by a UA-camr. Nearly every single point is either riddled with YOUR OWN misunderstandings/actually not playing an entire damn season, or really scummy moves. Let's begin with the "making friends" bit, yea, no it's really easy to meet friends. Step one is to use the literal in game system (not Steam) to add them or make a clan. Also, not to be that guy, but talking from experience, people are people irregardless of Destiny or not, making friends literally just comes down to being likeable my man. The "content" bit was so disingenuous, you showed some re-used weapons, but failed to mention that they had different perks, some were reisussed, and others are literally 7 years old. My biggest gripe is none of that however, most of the guns you complained about were free. Returning content from the sunsetting debacle is completely free. Returning raids? Free. Returning weapons? Free. Returning maps? Free. It's all free, and very rarely do we see paid reskins. The only heinous example was the Lightfall expansion guns. Now for the single greatest flaw in this entire video, in the "DLC" section, you mention the pricing of the expansions, which is utterly crap considering a basic google search shows a few key details. One, Destiny is not 60$, Destiny: The Collection is, which includes The Dark Below, House of Wolves, and The Taken King. Those supposedly add up to 140$ according to you, yet I see an 80$ discrepancy here? Let's also go to the seasonal tab, where you only SAY that it has boosts and cosmetics and some other stuff, and only in a damn asterisks do you mention the entire storyline, new activities, new guns, and new ritual persuits. That is painfully disengenous. Also, you mention that ALL the annual pass expansions add are "some dungeons" for double the price. That is literally, factually, lying. The annual pass comes with the expansion, two dungeons (which are not related to the DLC story, as Duality, Spire of the Watcher, and Ghosts of the Deep aren't even kind of tied to the expansion), FOUR seasons, and some bonus collectables. Doing math that the game provides, at the current rate of 12$ per season, you save around 18-20$ a year by buying this annual pass compared to paying for all of them at differing times. As for the "story" section, your title implies you spent 9 years playing the game. That is either a lie, or you are as fast as a literal narcoleptic sloth. You mention the "planets going away cause of Darkness powers on Europa" yea that's objectively wrong, and if you played at any point during the SIX MONTHS before that expansion dropped, you would know that, as the explicit dialogue and the massive goddamn ships in the skybox weren't subtle. The story has some threads that are flawed, yes, is part of this due to the actual abusive relationship with their prior employer who actually made them scrap a literal finished game right before the game came out? Absolutely. The most embarrassing part is using Mars, the planet which, as of the time this video came out, had been back in the game's story for an actual year. Like a full year. These things are apparent if you listen to the dialogue. This isn't some crazy loremaster stuff, this is the basic driving factor of the entire video game. This makes me wonder, do you know WHO The Witness is? This story has been naturally evolving for a long time. And, let's say you took a break, would have been quite easy to relearn the story during the NINE MONTH SEASON before The Witch Queen. Also, you released this video in the damn season that a Mars strike was literally in the Nightfall rotater. This is one of the most embarrassing jokes of a video I have ever seen. Destiny has flaws yes, but for the love of Christ, Allah, Buddha, who ever the hell you believe in, put the controller down. You act like everything can leave in a blink of an eye, and it absolutely will not. It has a very clear ending, every year, the seasonal content goes away the day a new DLC launched. Also, here's a real fun fact, you say that the last "600$ of removed content" is crucial to understanding the story. What is really gone is two full campaigns, and two mini-campaigns. All of Destiny 1 is still up, running, and still supported. The content from Forsaken's smaller section is gone, the Red War is gone, but that is because the game actually couldn't run it. I'm not some super defender, but for the love of all that is holy if you make a video essay please make it good and honest. You say "oh this isn't meant to make new players worried" and that is the biggest lie I have ever seen. 95% of this video is fearmongering, "OOOOH WHEN THE NEXT SEASON LAUNCHES MY POWER GETS RESET." He says after Bungie had announced that, in fact, his power is not changing next season. God this is embarrassing. Please stick to any other video game you play. This video exists to just fan the flames that is the utterly abhorrent Destiny community. This type of video is what's wrong with the game. You neglect to point out the communities' fault. The community lost transparency when they threatened a man, doxxed him, gave him death threats, over a damn exotic chest piece that got incorporated into a subclass. This community is vile, you can't walk 6 feet without leaks, complaints from undereducated overopinionated people, or getting some crazy ass clickbait shoved in your mouth. To anyone who read this far, please stay away from this side of the community. Play the game yourself, Lightfall streamlined the learning curve substantially, and this season is the best in my recollection (S21) so I implore you to make your own decisions, because this video is painfully full of lies. As for you Charlie, you clearly have some talent writing scripts, and I think you should try more research oriented work, not a rant about a game you just fundamentally misunderstand.
I have been playing Destiny for 9 yrs and whomever the devs are that are working on the game are terrible at their jobs. Every new DLC or season brings tons of new bugs that very often are so bad that they have to take the game offline for 24 hrs to fix it . That's just for pve . Now pvp you have hundreds of thousands of cheater's in Destiny and it doesn't matter if you are on PC or console because they have cheater's on both . On PC you have hacker's and on console you have Cronus users. The quality control of this game is non existent anymore. I agree with you 💯 percent about the love hate relationship with Destiny.
I’d love to just enjoy a game on Destiny with new friends who don’t care how good I am or who I am in general. Dunno why it’s so hard for me not to be anxious before talking to people
Get over it. Life gets harder than this. Ahead of you is ball cancer and your kids looking at porn and your wife expecting you to be a man who doesn’t record diatribes about how he’s anguished by video games. That’s on the horizon, pal. Strap in. I love destiny because it’s an escape from real, actual, objective problems. Don’t be a baby. Play the game. Quit expecting it to redefine digital entertainment with every TWAB
"Destiny 2 isn't a good friend making environment." Hard disagree (also just in my opnion!). I was able to find several friend groups over just two years of playing the game solely from doing LFG raids. Usually I find that the best LFG's for making friends are those that invite you to their actual server (since you can stick around and see how they are) along with groups where you guys are trying to do something for a long time, like a legit Riven, because that gives you something to bond over. Don't get me wrong, a lot of LFG groups are absolutely horrendous, but you only need a couple to stand out to make long lasting connections. Great video, the "potential" section is really accurate. One thing I notice is that every year there's some new supposed "Destiny killer" just because no other game can capture Destiny's audience, just like how companies were searching for the elusive "Halo killer" until Call of Duty 4 came out to actually fill that role.
It's always those people who dont pay enough attention that say "the story sucks". Makes more sense when what they mostly like about the game is the pvp 🤷♂️
I mean if you start playing now the story does suck ass because you can't possibly know what the fuck is going on since most of it isnt even in the game.
I mean you're totally right on most of it, but I don't really agree with you on the no friends point. At least for me, I started playing around 2.5 years ago (just after beyond light), with 2 other friends playing with me. They both stopped playing around a month or two later, but I kept going, got close with LFGs, Clanmates etc. I now would say I have made 50+ friends, not all play consistently anymore, but at any time there are probably 20-30 who are online daily. Maybe it is because I play a lot more than you (5500 hours in 2.5 years), and spend a lot of it raiding on lfg (1.5k hours spent in raids), but either way I'd say destiny is the game which I have made the most friends from by a LONG shot.
Not to mention if you like raiding, spend enough time in lfg and you'll have a whole hoard of people who will invite you instead of re-queueing into lfg companion/discord. Even if you don't look for friends you'll still get acquaintances at least.
@@Zevox144 yeah, as long as you do raids fairly often (which the guy in the video doesn't), then you'll make friends pretty fast as long as you're not toxic or rly bad. and then if you get rly deep into a specific aspect of the game you'll make better friends in specific communities like for example i know a lot of people from the lowman community, i have some friends who know a lot of ppl in the speedrunning community, it rly isn't that hard to meet ppl and make friends.
Was a day 1 Destiny 1 player, fell off a few years ago when it became really clear how much of a content treadmill the game was (and especially when they started removing content people paid for, how the fuck they get away with that is baffling). Frankly my gaming time is infinitely better having dropped it completely, and my wallet is happier. It does a lot well (really the art direction and shooting mechanics) but it falls so short on so much I just couldn't give it a pass anymore. I still like peeking in occasionally to see what the state of the game is and so far its only reinforced that i made a good choice getting out.
Everyone is hating in the game but have like 2000h at least and they are still playing. Maybe the game is simply a very good game with flaws like every other game in the market. Maybe they are being too harsh with it. Destiny is special, no one does what it does and it's like a home. Obviously it's not perfect but the art, the gunplay, the endgame content mechanics, the sense of power, the customization, the lore...it's just a very good quality game and i'm tired of pretending it isn't. Every Betheshda game has bugs, glitches, cuestionable design in certain areas, but they are still loved games. Also Destiny is not that expensive. Games like WOW requires monthly subscription and expansions are destiny levels of expensive if not more. I think 80$-100$ for an entire year of content is not a bad thing. Destiny is evolving each year, it's fun and has a very solid community. I understand the hate but I don't regret of playing it, for me it's worth all the money I've spent
This is one of the best, most honest evaluations of the game that I've seen. The larger YT content creators, not surprisingly, tend to gloss over many of the glaring flaws of Destiny 2. Expect to be excoriated by their dedicated cult followers, er, viewers. 😂
Very good video. Played for around a year and a half and I can agree with a lot of what you said. Not purchasing lightfall was a good choice on your part I think as it’s just filler until final shape which people say was what lightfall was originally meant to be. No mention of server issues is fine as you showed them in the video but power isn’t being increased at all next season
What makes you think I didn't play Witch Queen or Forsaken? I just find the story in every campaign to be very generic and meaningless because I don't read up on lore before playing through. All I get is the dialogue, which I really don't enjoy, and the cutscenes, which are usually pretty cool. Forsaken was a particularly lame story line in my opinion, because from what I remember, it was just about killing a few scorn guys to avenge Cayde. And while Witch Queen was probably cool if you knew enough lore for the implications to have real impact, to me it was just neat that the traveler gave the hive light. But that's not really surprising since humans defied it by wielding dark powers, so why should it stay loyal to them. Anyways there's a lot I could say about the story, maybe I could do a different video on that idk.
@@reggielacey2235 he put thousands of hours and hundreds of money into destiny, his complaints are very valid. you’ve only had the game for a few months, come back when you’ve put a thousand hours in
@@CafeCharlie Forsaken being a revenge western even if you only read the character dialogue being particularly dull? Fucking L take. Like destiny's ingame story is definitely nothing to be proud of, but that's like one of the three high points in a whole decade.
@@Zevox144 A revenge western can work, but not when the bad guys aren't very very well fleshed out. If we got to kill Uldren, maybe that would be somewhat satisfying, but they didn't really give us that. Instead it was a few scorn bosses that had only just been introduced and never had a chance to do much before we killed them.
Bruh I couldn't have put it better myself. Honestly, playing Destiny at this point is just another chore... People might ask why I even play the game anymore if that's the case, and the truth is that it's the only game my friends play, or, at least, it's the only game that my friends and I all play.
I jumped shit quite some time ago because the truth is that this game is purely predatory in terms of how it handles peoples: money, time, and energy. No game should require you to spend as much as this thing does for the massive lack of quality but also forcing you to pay and play based on the fear of missing out. People have literally spoke about having the desire to play other games but can’t because if they miss a few days of destiny they’re gonna miss out on all these things that they can’t get again. Light fall being as terrible as it was saved me the Fuckin 60 dollars because why would anyone pay for this thing after hearing about how it went. People claim they still play because “the game has potential and we all wanna see it succeed” but like why?? It’s been 10 years nearly and they almost never showed improvement, always have controversy, always ask for absurd amounts of money, and don’t do anything that’s actually player friendly. This game is the most absurdly mediocre game considering the price and management. The “content vault” is actually a JOKE. I really feel like if you have to cope and make up these random reasons to remove content just makes it feel lazy. Like not being able to play half the content ever released in the game is simply stupid. The only good thing about any of destiny is it’s outside lore and deep story within the lore, but absolutely not the fuckin story telling in game. There’s not a single like original non tropey character in this universe that we are shown in the game. Overall I’m done ranting about this stupid game, this game is never worth 200 something dollars or more, tell that price tag to any non destiny player and they’ll call you a victim for bein hooked on this opium for this long
If Destiny 2 isn’t the poster child version of Stockholm syndrome for gaming then I don’t know what is. I left a year ago after 1000+ hours and I feel free. There are too many other games out there that deserve my money then Destiny 2 at this point.
I didn't play destiny 2 a lot as i don't spend that much money on videogames but i have to say it has one of the best gun play I have ever witnessed along with one of the most confusing advancement and quest system
I've also been a 9 years Destiny veteran, and I resonate with a lot of this video. There are always two sentences I use to describe Destiny to people that ask me if they should play it. 1) "Destiny is like a 5 star meal served on a paper plate" and 2) "Destiny is the equivalent of an abusive relationship". I was lucky enough to get in early and it took me from D1 base-Season of Opulence to make a single friend to play Destiny with and I didn't even meet them through Destiny, I met them through VRChat. I want to stop playing with the amount of frustration this game gives my on a near daily basis, but I'm way too deep at this point and I have to keep going in order to justify all the time I've put in. But another problem is that Bungie has no competition for Destiny, every game that tries to dethrone Destiny fails and I feel trapped with only Destiny to scratch that Destiny itch
Great video. I thought it was honest. I don't think you need to apologize for sharing your experience, IT IS WHAT IT IS. Thank you very much for sharing.
Alright dude after your first "point ", I gave up on this video. If you cant "find friends" or "make friends", THATS LITERALLY YOUR FAULT LMAO. It is SOOOO easy to find people to do stuff with, but since you don't know how to make friends, let me help. Step one: JOIN A CLAN
4:20 If there's one thing that will always make me salty about sunsetting is losing my favorite bow to it. Sometime ago you could get a bow from a Valentine's Day event. With a pink shader the petals were a really nice pink and I loved using it. Then they did the whole sunsetting thing. And after that they announced that there will be no more Valentine's Day events. Which means that outside of mindlessly shooting grunts in EDZ or something I have permanently lost one of my favorite weapons.
I hear you too...I snapped out of it (slowly) late last year, and quit. My beginning was just before House of Wolves. It's changed so much, I don't I can even say it's the same type of game anymore...
Bungie has perfected the art of selling hope. You do not keep playing because the game is good, you do in hope of it getting better, although it rarely (if ever) does.
I used to play Destiny 2 and I really liked it but unfortunately due to not being able to give it too much time back then, had to drop it before I could finish the main campaign. Years later, I redownload it and find entire planets just missing. And then find out, I can't even finish the main story anymore. So just dropped it again. Can't believe Bungie would just lock away the main story like that from new players.
Ngl if you don't understand the story after playing for 9 years, that's on you. There's even a tab in the director that paraphrases the entire franchise, which is more than enough for someone who has played all 9 years of content. The Witness is after the Traveller. The Traveller keeps us safe through Ghosts and their ability to give Guardians the Light. Protect the Traveller. It's genuinely not that complicated, and the stuff that is complicated is for people who want more. To say that Witch Queen had a bad story is ludicrous. Also, if you don't have any good gear after 9 years that's entirely on you. Most of my high stat armour is 3+ years old from just after they reworked the mod system. You can now craft weapons through guaranteed drops that are more than suitable enough for end game content. Hell, you can craft the end game weapons from raids through these guaranteed drops so your entire point about RNG is just simply wrong. Sounds like you should be using your time more efficiently. There are some good points here, especially with the new player experience and removing content. A lot of these points, however, are incredibly uncharitable or just straight up wrong.
Never. I believe I’m not alone when I say I love this game. Through its ups and downs I’ve been here. I just love playing as MY OWN Guardian, and the world around him.
I totally forgot about warmind. I remember curse of orisis (and paying for both). Jeez it's been a long road. Also shoutout to the To the hellfire instrumental in there lol recognized it immediately
I made a friend in Desiny 1 Croata raid met him in real life too and he’s one of my best friends even more so than the ones I’ve grown up with back home we’ve known each other for 7-8 years now. :)
I just want to make it clear that my intention with this video was not to scare people away from trying Destiny 2. I just want to offer my frustrations that have built up over the years, because I don't want people falling in the same trap I did by having the wrong expectations. That being said, there was plenty that I should have said better in this video and a few things that I got completely wrong. For example the power level is not set to increase next season, and I forgot to remove the prices of seasons that were free with the Deluxe editions. And while I may not have addressed the issues that you think are the worst, I voiced my struggles with the game and you can take that for what it's worth.
If you are thinking about trying Destiny 2, by all means don't listen to some random guy on UA-cam, just give it a go and enjoy it. I just personally feel like my investment hasn't entirely been worth it.
I do recommend at least trying it and there are plenty of us D2 players that are more than happy to help new comers through content and love taking them through Raids or Dungeons (basis of the clan I'm in is to help others)
@@xXDarthBagginsXx THIS. I feel like the best way to steer away from the typical mmo trap is to encourage teaching the game. You know, like mentor student style. Imagine if d2 had a teaching culture.
Ok so first thing I'm gonna say Is that I'm a D1 year 1 vet and what that means in case you don't know is that I've been playing Destiny since the very first year of it's release but I'm thinking you really don't understand the game but as I've said before if you don't like the game don't play it but posting videos like this which is based solely on your personal opinion there's over a billion guardians world wide that love this game as much as I do I don't know maybe your a COD player but I will agree with you about one thing the Destiny community has gotten worse but not the game anyway the next time you feel like doing a public service like you think your doing about this do us all a favor and DONT!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ethankim7979 There is, alot of streamers discords are full of people willing to help/sherpa new players. Problem is with the Red War being pulled the whole intro mission set has been pulled out of the game and has yet to be replaced with something worth calling an intro/initiation quest set.
They aren’t changing the power level btw😊
As a Destiny 2 player, you don't complain because the game is bad, you complain because you love the game and want to see it do well and thrive. Which is hard to do when it's breaking every other week.
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FINALLY I FOUND SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE PAIN
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Facts. It started to not meet basic expectations and that broke my interest. Red VS blue pill
*chews crayons*
Yup.
*eats more crayons*
"If having cancer made you have better RNG, Bungie would find the cure in like fifteen minutes."
This is probably the most painfully accurate summary of my problems with bugs in D2
that literally what happened to the warlock bond armor last week.. when it gives free legendary shards..
Facts. I read an article from 2 days ago about a legendary shard farm by pulling guardian games class items from collections and dismantling. Tried it yesterday. Patched. Smdh.
Ouch this comment hurts so much
@@vaughnbooker3463 it got patched like a couple hours after it started
U should make more destiny content
"If having cancer gave you better RNG Bungie would find the cure in fifteen minutes" omg that statement had me in stitches. It's so accurate too, the video in general I would say, coming from someone with almost 5k hours between D1 and D2.
SAME. Perfect line.
It’s not too late. I quit 3 “DLC”s ago. Used the time I’ve had to lift. Became an armored combat fighter (literal knight). And started a hobby that’s turning into a business. I hold those hours i spent in raids and PvP yelling slurs at my friends very close to my heart. But that time has passed.
How does one train to become an armored combat fighter? That sounds fun as hell.
I believe we stick around for 2 reasons.
1. We have invested so much time into it that it's hard to let go.
2. This game has so much potential we are kind of hoping they make it better.
I truly believe that under the right management this game can be A+ . Unfortunately bungie does not respect the player base. It's not that they are lazy It's that we are the product. They keep throwing subpar and recycled content at us and we still continue to throw our money at them.
the issue is that ANY property this old will be at this stage, the 'people already are attached to it so it's time to shit it up' stage. there is no going back here just like there's no going back with Twitter, Amazon, or any other corporately owned (or previously owned) entity that has lasted this long. :( gently and with love, I just would not hold my breath..
Exactly
Yet Warframe and PoE are still peak@@peachy_lili
You have stated all the reasons to quit. It’s a video game. Nothing more.
Before my dad passed he loved playing destiny 1 with all of his friends. He sadly only got to play the beginning of destiny 2. Ill miss hearing him shout during raids.
I feel you. I play with my dad pretty frequently. He's a masochist and loves pvp even when he's terrible. I'm hoping to get him through a new raid for him on father's day
@@danielwilliams7562 Enjoy those times. Life gets in the way eventually but he will always remember those times gaming with you.
Happened to my friend as well, rip wild
I just imagine your dad during wrath “Alright WHO SHOT THE WRONG MONITOR”
I’ll play destiny for him
I hate this game. This is my favorite game
That's exactly how I feel.
That is the entire destiny community in two sentences.
As a destiny player i can confirm
Facts brother
Exactly 😅
Its not that we hate the game, its that we hate what’s being done to the game
Man, remember the wrath of the machine and kings fall raid? It was an experience that destiny 2 will never be able to recreate with how its going
I don't dislike it, nor do I feel like I wasted my time. I spent 2700 hours on it. Ive made many friends, did many raids, we had lots of fun. Still do. The game is chalked full of content to do and play. It's all a mind set. You gotta just do what you can alone, and then set time aside for raids or dungeons. Raids are not fun, and LFG does not help that. Bearing that all in mind you also have to understand that, you don't need to do raids, you don't need the best guns, you don't need God rolls. You choose to farm, you choose to waste your time. I don't regret my time on it, and I think many people have a terrible view on this game.
Edit - you also do not have to pay full price for anything, just be patient. Do not pay full price just wait.
I love this game so hesitated to watch this but the laughs were totally worth it. Keep up the good work, subbed.
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
The worst part of the story is that the lore is amazing. The campaign always feels like something you want to rush to get it over with. One thing i will give destiny is that the ost is absolutely amazing.
I will ALWAYS love the lore and worldbuilding of Destinu. The Story showed how good it could actually be with Witch Queen but Lightfall did literally one thing important and answered no questions about anything.
Not to mention the fact there's nothing to actually grind builds/rolls for that's truly unique and the content drought at the second half of the Season is so frustrating. I don't want to do GMs to guild a Title every season, I want stuff to actually do.
Lore is what kills games. Gameplay should matter way more than the damn story. I can read a book for much less than a game which I care about the quality of the game.
"omg guys i know that playing this game feels worse than my dad's belt but can we please appreciate the music??" +50k karma, and everyone suddenly forgets about all the game issues. That's how it feels sometimes
@@acethemain7776 it happens every single time "So Bungie can u please fix these glaring iss- OOO PRETTY TRAILER!"
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I’m glad you talked about this. A lot of people in the community seem to just not care what Bungie does anymore. Last time I saw people push back against Bungie (besides all of Lightfall) was when the solstice event card was added. Now we’ve had 3 more since and no one seems to care. Bungie just recently made the seasons more expensive, yet people are still defending them and trying to act like their spokesperson.
I love the game, I really do, but when the DCV was announced I knew Destiny was taking a nosedive. The 30th anniversary and Witch queen DLC had me hoping for a better game, but Lightfall leaves me in the same position as Beyond Light. I just want the game to improve and to finally stop pulling its punches, but with a community that thinks saying “I just want the content I payed for” is controversial, I just don’t know at this point. Again, great work, you listed a lot of the community’s problems.
I quit at the DCV and sunsetting....tried to play it a year later and I remembered why I loved and hated this game in equal measure. I uninstalled it soon after. I am happy now.
Yall have comprehension issues. Moat of your complaints can be summed up with you being the issue. If your opinion isnt echo chambered you question the other person instead of that shit opinon you hold
I'm in it till the end with D2. That being said I will never pick up another Bungie IP. They are sleazy, lazy, and gross.
When bungie left activision, you could literally tell when the content funded by then had run its course. By season 10 and every season since then the content is always the exact same, it’s boring and overly repetitive and people seem to have no issue?
When snipers were buffed for 2 seasons people were tired of it by season 9, but swords and linear fusion rifles having their hay day (after season 10) have been welcomed as perfect year long metas.
@@hailthemightytriff maybe others dont find it boring and repetitive? Did you consider that maybe not everyone shares the same opinion as you?
My saddest part about destiny 2 was them killing the original base campaign and removing the level system. Yeah they changed the storyline around but it wpuld be fun to boot up year 1 destiny 2 again and spawn into the farm with a whole bunch of level 1s and 2s
Yea, I loved the feeling of being at the tower when the Cabal invaded The Last City, and taking away our light.
The same update released together with Shadowkeep made all white and green weapons useless. Tbh all the blues too.
Thanks for making me hate myself for rewarding a greedy dev's bad behavior. This vid reinforces my decision to stop playing. Brilliant video my guy.
On the topic of making friends, of the nine years I've been playing, I've really only met two people who I came back and played more with, and I still remember how we met to this day. The bond brothers strike in d1. The three of us were struggling for hours to get through the boss arena. When we finally got through it, they invited me to a call, and I got roped into their friend group. We had our own little clan long before they were officially introduced into d2. We're still a clan today, but everyone went their own ways. I'll pop on every once and a while and maybe see a couple of them there, but it's been years since the old squad got together and actually did something
You should get everyone in a discord
The deluxe editions weren’t just dungeons and extra cosmetics, they were also all the seasons for the year, and for the 80$ one during witch queen it also included the “birthday” dlc.
But now the deluxe edition price hasn’t changed even though those seasons are long past.
@@Only_Sleep the price did change, I bought it the other day. It was like 30$ for deluxe witch queen.
Dudgeons should be included in the normal version, not onky the deluxe, since they are connected to the main story. The price isn't right.
@@yoshmaik 🤷🏼♂️ just pay for your content. this is literally the equivalent to “i paid for 5/6 slices of the pizza and they want me to pay for the 6th slice so i cant eat it😡” or like in a porno when you havent paid for a subscription so you dont get to see the cumshot at the end.
pay for the content you use/watch. it doesnt come out of thin air. sorry.
@@connormcateer7125 only when its on sale. Those come every blue moon. Which tells you their business practices RIGHT THERE.
as of today I'm at roughly 3.3k hours into the game and I agree with most of whats in this video. The game just isn't fun enough to be worth the money anymore.
Edit: you forgot to mention that if you get a decently rolled piece of armor you will NEVER take it off unless its to slot in an exotic piece. I am still wearing stuff from season of arrivals because its the highest stat rolled armor I have ever gotten.
Yeah especially since old content is now being pulled away as you're buying new content. In Destiny 1, it felt like I was adding onto a tower of content when I purchased a DLC. But now I feel like I have to constantly spend money just to keep up with the game.
@@CafeCharlie And that's if you're keeping up. I used to play with people but they got kids and I eventually so out leveled them that THEY got tired of playing with me. games not fun when only one persons getting kills.
i disagree. i been playing for a few months, max level got all the dlc and i love it
@@CafeCharlie you can join my clan
As a 3k hr plyr. I concur.
If anyone is playing destiny 2 and hasn't bought expansions, let me suggest something to you. Buy a musical instrument of some sort instead, you will be able to hold what you have purchased in your hands, you will actually gain satisfaction, and some company won't be able to take it away at any time.
Also nice lorna shore in the background lol
completely agree
It is never too late. I left D2 during season of hackers after 1700+ hours. I know it is not that much but still. This was one of my best decisions, i have never felt so light and free as a gamer.
I HAVE to comment on this video, which is very well done by the way. I started playing in season 18 and still play today. I have put in about 700~ hours already. I agree with EVERY point in this video. I think the thing that bothers me the most about the game is now that I have all of these guns, I dont feel the need to play the new content because it isn't offering anything that i dont already have. This game has so much potential but it really has become a drag to play recently.
people complain about how they already have the best guns but also complain when Bungie prevents them from usin those to make place for new guns 🎉
@@timytimeerased I genuinely think it would be a good thing if they did like a mass reset on weapons every expansion or something but I'm not a developer idk how they could do it
"If having cancer gave your better RNG bungie would find the cure in 15 mins" my sides are in orbit
As someone who has been playing since D1 day 1 I just can’t stop at this point after trying multiple times at the lowest points. I’ve come to the conclusion that I might as well see it to the end now.
Basically. I’d like to see what the final shape is and what happens to the Witness but also our character. Since we’ve been through so much. From killing kings to gods, now facing a being that has been around since the creation before nothing existed.
Same here
I feel you on that one. I feel abused by this game but I kinda wanna see the relationship to the end
Shouldn’t be hard to see it to the end it’s prob coming soon
@@toemater5248 if it’s been anything like it’s been like with how they have done LF, I can see them milking all three seasons by drip feeding the campaign more than they have already.
It’s actually pretty sad and disappointing that they did us dirty by only releasing small bits of the campaign each season instead of doing what they used to do.
But they’ve pretty much become what they left. Milking the playerbase like they did in everything before they left Activision/Blizzard but only worse because they are making actual campaign content behind seasons instead of a full campaign which is what we should have gotten to begin with.
I'm a new player. Just started playing in Feb 2023, after I saw a couple of friends stream playing the new expansion. I think I have around 200hrs in the game now.
I've never been a fps guy, but this game won me over. The grind to get to 1800 was pretty enjoyable, and you seem to always have new activities to try, new planets to visit, and new weapons and armor to collect.
That was the first month or so.
The last month I've struggled to get a measly 20 more light since I don't do any end game content.
I still have lots to do, I've only completed one campaign, I've only played one class and 2 subclasses. I can see myself sinking another few hundred hours in this game.
On my limited experience, I can commend the game on its visuals, music, mechanics, creative builds of the subclasses (thanks to the community), and overall power fantasy of your guardian. The game just feels satisfying and fun to play.
On the other end, your progress hits wall so hard when you get to a certain point, and grinding for a couple of light points becomes a chore. Most exotics are meh, and even when you get a good one it has the wrong stats. I understand that infinite progress is impossible, but there should be a way to still make the rewards satisfying.
Either way, kudos to you guardians that have been on the frontlines for almost a decade. Thank you to your dedication and your wallets.
I will see you in either the vanguards or the battlegrounds, with my non tripled hundred set of armor and my non meta weapons.
Thanks ahead of time for the countless revives I'm going to need per mission!
As thanks for your appreciation, since god knows I get none from Bungle, I'll only eager edge you into a wall *once.*
Bro, I'm in the same situation as you. I joined on the same month. I sadly only have time to play on the weekends tho.😔
Edit: I'm a Void Titan. So I'm going to help my fellow crayon eaters to victory. For Lance!!.
About using non-meta weapons, just play what feels fun! I hate metas, it forces players into a rigid role that isn't any fun and gets boring and stale fast. I've mained Warlock since D2 Beta, and since Well of Radiance came into the game people have almost always demanded a Well for Raids and Dungeons rather than just play for fun. Don't get bottlenecked into using certain abilities or weapons just because others say you have to. I recommend using weapons like Ruinous Effigy, Traveler's Chosen, Cerberus+1, or even Worldline Zero, or anything that just is fun to mess around with. Like explosions? Go with things that have Chain Reaction, Chill Clip, Reservoir Burst, Dragonfly and Firefly. Doesn't have to be a 5/5, 100% godroll. Wanna just kick back and slay without much thought? Rig up an overshield/damage resist/Devour build and find your favorite auto rifle, smg, or machine gun and just hold down that trigger. Lots of youtubers and streamers keep saying "Oh, get this godroll for PvP or PvE, it's amazing!" when they can't really tell you how the gun will feel in your hands. Go out, try out a bunch of weapons, find what models and perks feel the best to you so you have a personally tailored gun you wanna chase or craft. I still have an amazing Stryker's Sure-Hand sword that I forged back in the Black Armory days with a non-mainstream roll that felt amazing to me. Go out and do your own thing, just make sure you're enjoying yourself in the meantime. Games are supposed to be fun.
Glad to have you guardian! Don't sweat power level for the most part. Unless you are doing GMs or day one raids it isn't all that important to hit the max. At a certain point endlessly replaying the ritual playlists for pinnacle drops each week will burn you out. Just enjoy the grind in the playlists you like and if you need help with any dungeons going forward hit me up 👍
As a guardian who’s grinded to hell and back when it came to crafting god rolls, making my builds, and slogging through getting the right armor combo, it’s not always that important when starting.
Though, if you find yourself getting deeper into doing solo legend lost sectors, they aren’t too bad when it comes to getting exotics sometimes. And getting enchancent cores and prisms doesn’t hurt either. And nightfalls usually give pretty good weapons and materials for masterworking your armor. And masterworking your armor adds +2 to each of your stats which is always beneficial.
Though when masterworking exotics it can be more taxing on your materials.
Though if you can get buddies to do legend NF, then you’ll really start pulling in good mats.
Also doing trials can be fun if you’re not taking it too seriously. Even if you lose, you can still keep going and get engrams from Saint for decent gear and weapons too. Getting flawless isn’t everything, though it can be cool to get up to if it happens.
Of all my years playing D1 and D2 I’ve only went flawless once.
There were a few minor inaccuracies in the video but you are completely correct. Bungie does what they do because they can get away with it. That alongside bad management is what is causing this game to always be potential. Light-fall was extremely rushed and only has that 33% positive review rating because the people who actually work on the game are extremely talented, they just have to put up with terrible management. Nothing will change until there is an actual good competitor, which still hasn't happened yet, or until people just start leaving if they go too low with the amount and quality of content.
Hey man. I used to worship Destiny 2, loved it from the minute it came out, stuck with D2 for years, until last year, when I realized i wasn't having fun, I was doing chores. I switched to space sims, and have playes No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous and now, fixating on Star Citizen, that give me the best experience so far. I loved Destiny, but now I have moved on
That's what's going on with me, but I feel guilt for quitting because I've been playing since taken king released
@@darkdrinker7630 don't be, find other games that are fun, in my case is star citizen, is actually space. Find a new game, peruse in steam, of wait for starfield, that's what Im doing.
Don’t try ark!!!
I have poured well over 3-4 thousand hours between both games and this video literally put my feeling towards the current game into words. No game can kill Destiny because Bungie is killing it themselves.
To be honest I think you are feeling that existential dread of realizing youve wasted time on something that doesnt matter, nothings dying except us lol the game was worse before we were just ok with grinding on mars and mining stone for hours lol
This will never not be the most tired argument in this community lmao
how? this game is fucking thriving have u played deep dives
@@bleacchyA single, slightly fun activity doesn't wash away all the bullshit from the past and all the bullshit that's yet to come.
This is the problem with Destiny's community. A new Raid comes out for example and people love it and now all of the problems that everyone was complaining about not even 5 seconds ago have just been completely washed away. It's literal clown behavior, and I say this having stuck behind Destiny for 9 fucking years...
@@bleacchy That's thriving?
Wow...sad.
You hit a lotta these points on the head perfectly. Bungle doesn't respect the player's Investment and make some questionable decisions.
Hell im right there with you, 4000+ Hours with little to show for it. Though my issue withh Raids is that i _do_ have a group to run with, but we just CANNOT keep it going. We'll start one and then for whatever reason we cant finish it
The friend part is 100% spot on. Every person I added I never played with again. So, I stopped adding people or accepting friend request.
I swear to god i don't get how people have this experience, having a full friend's list and getting free random invites from people to get a lfg raid done instead of re-queueing in the companion app or discord is a constant stream of loot as long as you loosely understand how to clear endgame content.
@@Zevox144 I haven't the slightest clue 🤷🏻♂️. I queue up with randoms from lfg for a raid run. We beat it effortlessly and quickly. Everyone start saying this is the fastest and best team they ran with and they start adding everyone, only to never play with any of them again 🤔🤔
I had a friend play with me so i wouldnt get it lol. But joining clan discords also helped making new friends to play with.
@@UA-camHandleUnknown it’s because nobody takes the initiative to message everyone for another raid, I wish there was matchmaking so we can just queue with randoms instead of having to form meaningless connections
Honestly this is across many online video games for me and it became normal to me so I treat others like a stranger in person 👍
The thing that saved destiny for me was that I found an amazing clan full of wonderful people. Not the most active bunch but I can consistently do raids/gms/dungeons and never feel worried about screwing up
I miss playing og destiny when it first came out. The wonder and fun playing it blind was the best experience I’ve ever had with destiny, even after playing TTK and WQ.
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Most of your points are valid. I as a hardcore d2 player with thousands of hours spent in destiny guess most destiny players invested way too much to just stop playing and hope the game to become what they expected it to be years ago.
Met many great people through Destiny and shared countless unforgettable moments with them. We played many games, but Destiny was always our go to. I personally had a crazy amount of time invested (approximately 4000hrs before Lightfall released). Nearing the end of Witch Queen, I realized that although Destiny and games like it were fun, video games were ultimately steering me toward an unfulfilled life. Since then, I've sold my Xbox and diverted my time and focus towards things that will benefit me and my future. There are still times when I want to play however I'm quickly reminded that I don't have an Xbox anymore 😂. I still talk to many of my clan mates, although not as frequently as I'd like. I'm glad I made this decision, and to be honest, I've never been happier
Im way too addicted to do this. Happy for you!
Good for you!
As soon as I quit destiny I got a girlfriend
Yeah crazxy how addictive games are I feel that
@@kronborgP same
Great vid man. I look forward to the sequel “why I regret playing destiny for 18 years”.
this guy lost me when he said beyond light was good and witch queen was controversial....
You getting the All Alone emote and then immediately exiting the game was hilarious to me, sums up everything you we’re talking about as a solo player in this game.
I agree with much of this. It always bugs me when anything pro-player is patched immediately but other things remain untouched.
The one thing I'll take issue with is the friends angle.
My 12 year old son watched me play, and wanted to try it.
He asked where I got certain weapons. I kid you not, he downloaded the Bungie app and is always on LFG. He has done master raid bosses. Trials. Oryx. Nezarec. THIS week he got Vex. He had the catalyst done the next day - from LFG. I know we all gripe and moan about that one time someone was mean in LFG. My kid is 12. A squeaker. But he's done more raiding than me and my older son combined. At this point he could be a raid sherpa probably. Just saying in about 2 months he's now completed every raid, every dungeon, (maybe not prophecy yet) and lfg is his playground. Did I mention he's 12? 😂
This was me with Destiny 1. I got it as a gift from a family friend for my 13th birthday shortly after D1 released. Every night after school I would LFG for raids and I was the squeaker kid explaining how to do each encounter to my team 😂
I didn't realize it at the time but I was 100% a Sherpa back then.
ive put majority of my youth into this game and as much as i have had a blast throughout it and some truly amazing moments, it really feels like it was all for nothing because the devs dont give a crap about any of us and the days of house of wolves and ttk community and dev connection feel severed. I doubt it was ever there but the streams with content creators and the devs (deej) felt like we were enjoying something altogether. Destiny has just become a chore to us to get the loot that you cant get after a while causing fomo.
honestly if the time that you put in back during how and ttk made you happy
if you enjoyed spending that time that you put into destiny and you made some memories along the way
then it wasnt for nothing because that stuff means more than the game fr
@@sparkybruh Facts.
@@sparkybruh how are you defending this game?
Time you'll never get back... A shame
@@sparkybruh sounds like you're defending your own waste of time
The commentary on the bugs is probably the MOST agreeable. Bungie DOES historically seem to focus the fun exploits immediately rather than comment/ commit to fixing game breaking bugs that HURT enjoyment. The last time we saw them give one to us in a BIG way was when menagerie had a loot exploit and they were like "Yep we know, we will patch it in two weeks, go nuts, have fun"
That was so sick my group farmed the shit out of that
And the 12 man raids. I think they let that go for a week.
@@blackranger3d they let the multi fireteam glitch run for about 6 weeks
Bungie even commented on it saying to have fun with it while it was still there
Also the last wish deepsight bug which is getting patched on tuesday
Thank god I stuck to borderlands and never got really into destiny
2000 hours is not that many for 9 years of play
Honestly on the topic of raid teams, you have to weed through a ton of people to find the ones you have some synergy with. Starts with GM Nightfalls and random raids, once you have a few people you can consider friends, finding the rest tends to be a bit easier.
Biggest recommendation is that you just have to be willing to not give up on one another when trying to learn or teach etc. Then if you commit and get through it, you all have to play it again at some point. You'll most likely cut your time from, 4 hours to 2 hours.
I was really shocked when i watched him complained about finding friends for raid/dungeon team lol. Im very new compared to most players here, I only stated in Season of Plunder (September?) last year. I've never had problems with what he said and I never realized how lucky I am. Me and 2 more friends started playing together, and we had a friend from previous games who invited us to join his clans full of people willing to help us in any activities and teach us just about anything. They never complained about our 1st time raid going on for like 2 hours (i think thats the longest we've took, learning VoD and TLW), and I guess the credit should be given to my friend who explains each encounters very very well and me and my friends picking things up quick too. Now most raid takes us more or less an hour.
And less than a year later I think I can safely consider me and my 2 friends being really proficient in this game now and the 3 of us still play new/unplayed dungeons and figure them out ourselves without checking anyhting and asking anyone, it's hella fun discovering how each encounter works. Almost 900 hours in myself and it's been very very fun throughout, PVP shotgun apes frustration aside. hahaha
The community is like glass. Shattered and all over the place. But sometimes it gets hot enough and we all band together and have a great time. It’s when you’re alone that the game is a little iffy. Go in the with either the intention of making friends or having friends with you.
D1 vet here, I quit in late 22. My biggest issue was how the core activities were neglected/affected by time (and the changes that went with sub-class upgrades). Meanwhile the laundry list of stuff you had to do (often in the core activities) just got longer and longer....all of it boring, and often frustrating. (and you're right...my list of boring stuff won't really match my friends' lists of boring stuff, so that's another nail in the coffin.)
D1 PvP was a million times more fun than D2's 2.0 ability spam, heavy-is-always-on-the-map, everyone is running a shield type bs.
D2 strikes are a joke because everything falls over as soon as someone looks at it with an ability. Good luck getting *those weapon kill bounties* done?!
And the upshot is these changes (ie. the 2.0 changes) have been made to entice newer, more transient players in, and keep them on the amazement-hamster wheel. Don't let stuff stay the same for too long, or they might leave!! So the seasonal mode resetting keeps people walking around a maze essentially....one they never leave.
Meanwhile....a new strike please? Oh no, but here's another seasonal horde mode pretty much exactly like the last one, and the one before that. Bungie's ultimate goal is to keep you online longer, so there's more chance you'll put some real money down on microtransactions for some cosmetics. Which will almost certainly leave you with silver left over...and you wouldn't want to waste that now would you?? So you better buy some more, with more real money!!
Everything said in the video about the team-related stuff (3-6 hours in a raid IF you can get people who ALSO know what they're doing, AND THEN a random chance of NOT getting what you want), is 1000% true. *AND THANK-GOD* someone said what raids truly are: confusing communication puzzles. The balancing a piano on your finger metaphor is *SO* on point!
Why are they designed like that? Because you can teach people (like rats) to follow a pattern. But you *can't* teach people to move and shoot better...that's up to individuals to improve if they want to.
So to make a raid difficult enough to be a challenge Bungie had a choice...make the combat so hard that some players just wouldn't get thru the raid (ever), or make it a kind-of aliens-in-space square dance, one in which you have to first learn the arbitrary moves, in order to have a semi-decent chance of success.
Of course, they could have come up with more flexible, varied roles for team members, and/or encounters with more unpredictability. So there would be something for each type of player, and it wouldn't get boring or repetitive.
BUT THAT would take money and time....two things Bungie is increasingly reluctant to spend on Destiny. Such a shame...the mystic space exploration with combat vibe of D1 was amazing, and had as much or more potential than any game I've ever played.
Agree with everything you said except the title. In my case, replace the "9 years" with "30 minutes today". That's actually the way I feel most days.
You’re the first person I’ve seen mention the shit pricing thank you.
The power level isn't moving for the entire year, 1810 is going to be pinnacle till FS. Sunsetting weapons is also gone and weapons from 3 or 4 seasons ago are arguably still meta (incandescent rolls). They have also been doing passes on exotics with refreshes that roll out in waves. Just corrections to the video info to keep in mind.
Well sunsetting has stopped but it is definitely not gone. I still can't use anything from Season of Dawn back (anywhere that light level matters at least). But that's cool that the power level is going to sit still, that should be interesting.
@@CafeCharlie Sunsetting being gone doesnt mean old sunset weapons would come back, they left for a good reason.
@@HajileMalach No I don't think so, they aren't really any more of a problem than most of the stuff we see come out today. Plus the sunsetting doesn't restrict them from pvp (the only area that they would cause a real issue).
Pretty sure they said pinnacle cap isn't going up next season not it's stay the same all year
I heard next season but holy hell whole year!? whats the incentive to grind then? once you hit max that's it. man lotta people gonna find other games to play round probably season 3 if not late next season.
Wow I completely agree with this video,, it was very well put together and explains and sums up the destiny experience as a franchise well..I hope the devs see this fr
Bro said witch queen was bad 💀💀💀 stopped taking him seriously after that
@@landengurgacz8384 😂
Honestly I think I've finally managed to cut the habit for good. Didn't touch the game when Lightfall came out, not even to just check in and play around with being a Guardian a bit. I'll always have a place in my heart for Destiny's world and the few good friends I made tangentially through it, but it's too far gone now.
So what game are you being suckered into playing now? Oops I meant waisting your life on…oops I meant playing? 😊
I was "lucky" to finally say enough is enough just before shadowkeep. Couple months ago I got shadowkeep and beyond light at a discount. I'm sure, because it's light fall era and I don't have a season pass, I've missed out on some things but it only took 2 months to play those dlcs to my satisfaction. Not sure they were even worth the discounted price.
@@garyrolen8764 I got to play Beyond Light on a friend's account and I still felt cheated lmao
@@LordHaveMercyOnUs247 the closest thing to that these days for me is just TTRPGs lol
I just wish I could play the game from season 9 before Bungie ruined it all. Season 10 was when for the first time we saw what content they were actually capable of. And it’s been the same exact seasonal content and model for 3 years, and nobody seems to care
I quit a few months before D2 dropped because I saw the writing on the wall. Shit was incredibly obvious what was going to happen.
For someone who’s played nearly 5000 hours on Destiny 2. I’ve finally hung up the Hunter cloak/Titan Mark/Warlock bond… PERMANENTLY. I’ve had enough of it. Only soooo long can one go through the seasonal formula.
Time to move on from this toxic game.
Gonna be honest, despite the game having genuine issues, a lot of this just makes me think “that sounds like a you problem” especially given it seems like it’s taken you 9 years to figure out you don’t like a game
Been playing this game for five years (ish) and have made a grand total of 9 friends, that’s almost two friends a year! Now not everyone wants to do end game content, only two of them do, which is perfect for GMs, raids we do have to LFG for, surprisingly the guardian ranks system has actually given us the shared goal of all getting to rank 11 rather than making it a race. Then I’ve got my casual friends who don’t want to leave the strike playlist, custom matches, and random talking in patrol zones (three of my friends). The rest of my friends are dungeon junkies, working on getting into endgame content by spamming the heck out of dungeons.
I started D2 on Dec 2019, Season of Undying. Back then I was literally having fun, starting as a new light with little to no experience on what is Destiny. Every content is exciting and thrilling, going in with 2 of my buddies, we overcame all of the obstacles. Despite of having no gears, low level, stuck in an exotic quest for hours, getting wrecked in a nightfall and those painful grinds on pinnacles, we were still enjoying every inch of D2 and looking forward for the next chapter. Fast forward to this day, I couldn't say I have the same excitement when playing D2 anymore. Everything fell like a chore, I'm no longer the new light 4 years ago, I got my loots and godrolls after all these years of grinding but at what cost? Destiny 2 now is never the same as the Destiny 2 I used to enjoy, my buddy left the game a season ago, everything in the game just feels.... empty...
Destiny is an example of a sunk cost fallacy if there ever was one. Not getting my money again. That's not to say others can't enjoy it, but Bungie's continued tomfoolery killed all interest I personally had.
I dont know how many hours the creator has played exactly but he mentioned 2000hrs dont know if thats between both d1 and d2 but split over 9 years that isnt enough play time to get you out of casual player status. I tried the math and the average play time was only 4-5 hour a WEEK. I think you need at least double that to actually get something out of the game to not regret it. The more you put in the more you get out. Im a seasoned player that started in taken king and i dont know how many hours i have in d1 but i have easily over 3000 hours in d2 alone, but probably half that in d1. There is some valid criticism here that im not trying to devalue but on terms of regret its because it seems that the creator has been playing very casually this entire time. Being a casual is fine but if you dont get past surface level it sounds disingenuous to say youve played for 9 years. Thats where the regret comes from. I dont recommend anyone stick around that long if you can on average only play an hour a day you need at least 10 hours or more a week to get most of what this game has to offer.
The friend issue for raids is super real but you can 3 man all the raids in the game and doing such a thing feels amazing. No game compares to conquering that challenge.
This ^^
It is the biggest high when you low man stuff or pull off a flawless raid, finish a raid seal etc. seems like he just missed out on the best stuff because he didn’t have a group to play with.
I think the only problem I have with how raiding is now versus in D1 is that you have tokens instead of just reviving teammates in normal. Instead of making a awesome three man kill against the boss with three or two teammates down, you basically gotta play it safe ALL the time.
@ADJCSee the issue with that,and before I say this I agree in a way, the token system is designed around having 6 players. They should have a low man version or just know that if you have only 3 players you can have unlimited revives like in the days of old. But don't hold our breaths. Lol
I'll push back on that a little bit. While you can technically 3 man all of the raids but some of them require exploits that are just kinda sketchy to do. Like some require joining alies, well/shatter skating, and straight up breaking an encounter by other means in order to complete. But I have done some low man stuff that is feasible for higher skilled player and I'll agree that it is a blast and a rush to do. I'm just not resorting to cheering things in order to get it done.
No I can't 3 man all the raids. Neither can like 95 percent of people
In my 7 years of playing this game I've made six friends, which is less than one per year.
The way I was able to make these friends was consistently dumb coincidences, "oh you like spicy wings too? How novel. Let's be best friends"
And then you have to add each other outside of the game on something like discord... And you have to keep in touch and eventually marry them. It becomes a whole thing.
Alternatively, you can take your current non-destiny playing friends and trick them into playing the game. People generally enjoy being hoodwinked 😊
Oh my God. When you dropped that 710 price tag, i have to add an extra 200 because i bought witchqueen and lightfall for a friend who doesn't play the game as much as me. Realizing I've dropped over 900 dollars on this game(not including silver) makes me feel ill
You think that’s bad? Ever heard of a gacha game before?
It's never too late to quit playing a game. I played League of Legends for 6 years and spent probably around $300 to $400 dollars on skins. I quit back in 2018, and never looked back, in fact I've never gotten back into any live service game, I pretty much only play single player games. The only "live service game" I play is Killing Floor 2, and only every now and then.
as a player who has 2.5k hours in d2 starting season 17, i can 100% say the raids are amazing, (other then vow) and ive made a lot of good friends i talk to and play games with outside of destiny. this video just honestly sounds like he doesnt want to enjoy multiplayer and wants to play a multiplayer game solo.
The deluxe edition doesn’t just give dungeons and extra cosmetics it also makes it so you automatically have the season too
Ye 4 seasons dungeons and the expansion i dont see the problem with that he was wrong on on some things
@@Millze86also every season you get the free seasonal exotic.
@@adjcsee4476 yup and more
I’m a newer player (started ~season 15), but I’ve quickly racked up a ton of hours. The best part of the game is PvP (no bias here lol). I think the core of this game is the loot grind, and acting the like the reskinned guns or new content that’s still just the same format is terrible is a bit extreme, though it definitely wears you down (the seasonal model got tiresome quickly, though the weekly story missions are generally pretty interesting). I have made friends playing, through PvP. I’d agree that raids are where friendships go to die, but a dungeon or gm is great with friends. I think the worst part of the game is the new player experience, but I’ve been happy with what bungie has had to offer (except their lack of crucible updates 😔). Nice video
the best part is pve
Lack of Gambit updates*
Yo same bro I started in season of the lost 💪
In my head I’m supposed to stop when the Final Shape comes out, but I hate that I know I’m not going to. Just because I will want to try new subclasses
Just pull the trigger man. I had over 2500 hours between bnet and steam. I uninstalled one day and haven’t looked back. It’s tough but you will not regret it
Don't worry I'm not actually addicted to the game anymore, I don't have it installed or anything. The new season looks cool but I'm fine missing whatever else comes to Destiny, I'd rather spend that time and money on games that I actually enjoy.
@@CafeCharlie good on you and good video. I took a small break after witch queen, came back for plunder, and realized that nothing in the game is really worth the time investment.
I agree the new season seems cool and I have a few friends that still play but personally I just feel that everything in destiny has been beaten to death at this point activity/grind wise. Just stopped seeing the point in grinding the new shiny toy when in 3 months there would be a new one.
That being said the game will hold a special place in my heart for a long time, sad it turned out this way imo
I gave up on Destiny 2 after the infamous sunset (which made more than half of my weapons obsolete) Also the fact that they took Forsaken away, it was my favorite DLC and the fact that they took away something that I paid for was very annoying.
It's never too late to quit. :)
I quit right before Witch Queen after 1300 hours. Beyond Light's grind, seasonal model and monetization was just too much. It's too much effort to raid, and more specifically gear up to raid. Sure I missed out on Witch Queen's campaign, but what I didn't miss was even more recycled content, another year of no new Gambit or PvP maps, aggressive monetization, and Lightfall's terrible story. I also didn't have to regrind my Light subclasses for the fourth time since D1. I also didn't miss out on weapon crafting, which like every new system in D2 is overly grindy for the first season before it's "fixed".
After not playing for 15-16 months, I really don't miss it. I'm curious to see how the saga ends, but I don't need to play to learn that. That's what UA-cam is for.
I caught in quick and quit. I saved money and 2000 hours.
Thank you for wording exactly what I felt about the game
I never comment on videos, and this is the single most disengenous video I have ever seen released by a UA-camr. Nearly every single point is either riddled with YOUR OWN misunderstandings/actually not playing an entire damn season, or really scummy moves.
Let's begin with the "making friends" bit, yea, no it's really easy to meet friends. Step one is to use the literal in game system (not Steam) to add them or make a clan. Also, not to be that guy, but talking from experience, people are people irregardless of Destiny or not, making friends literally just comes down to being likeable my man.
The "content" bit was so disingenuous, you showed some re-used weapons, but failed to mention that they had different perks, some were reisussed, and others are literally 7 years old. My biggest gripe is none of that however, most of the guns you complained about were free. Returning content from the sunsetting debacle is completely free. Returning raids? Free. Returning weapons? Free. Returning maps? Free. It's all free, and very rarely do we see paid reskins. The only heinous example was the Lightfall expansion guns.
Now for the single greatest flaw in this entire video, in the "DLC" section, you mention the pricing of the expansions, which is utterly crap considering a basic google search shows a few key details. One, Destiny is not 60$, Destiny: The Collection is, which includes The Dark Below, House of Wolves, and The Taken King. Those supposedly add up to 140$ according to you, yet I see an 80$ discrepancy here? Let's also go to the seasonal tab, where you only SAY that it has boosts and cosmetics and some other stuff, and only in a damn asterisks do you mention the entire storyline, new activities, new guns, and new ritual persuits. That is painfully disengenous. Also, you mention that ALL the annual pass expansions add are "some dungeons" for double the price. That is literally, factually, lying. The annual pass comes with the expansion, two dungeons (which are not related to the DLC story, as Duality, Spire of the Watcher, and Ghosts of the Deep aren't even kind of tied to the expansion), FOUR seasons, and some bonus collectables. Doing math that the game provides, at the current rate of 12$ per season, you save around 18-20$ a year by buying this annual pass compared to paying for all of them at differing times.
As for the "story" section, your title implies you spent 9 years playing the game. That is either a lie, or you are as fast as a literal narcoleptic sloth. You mention the "planets going away cause of Darkness powers on Europa" yea that's objectively wrong, and if you played at any point during the SIX MONTHS before that expansion dropped, you would know that, as the explicit dialogue and the massive goddamn ships in the skybox weren't subtle. The story has some threads that are flawed, yes, is part of this due to the actual abusive relationship with their prior employer who actually made them scrap a literal finished game right before the game came out? Absolutely. The most embarrassing part is using Mars, the planet which, as of the time this video came out, had been back in the game's story for an actual year. Like a full year. These things are apparent if you listen to the dialogue. This isn't some crazy loremaster stuff, this is the basic driving factor of the entire video game. This makes me wonder, do you know WHO The Witness is? This story has been naturally evolving for a long time. And, let's say you took a break, would have been quite easy to relearn the story during the NINE MONTH SEASON before The Witch Queen. Also, you released this video in the damn season that a Mars strike was literally in the Nightfall rotater.
This is one of the most embarrassing jokes of a video I have ever seen. Destiny has flaws yes, but for the love of Christ, Allah, Buddha, who ever the hell you believe in, put the controller down. You act like everything can leave in a blink of an eye, and it absolutely will not. It has a very clear ending, every year, the seasonal content goes away the day a new DLC launched. Also, here's a real fun fact, you say that the last "600$ of removed content" is crucial to understanding the story. What is really gone is two full campaigns, and two mini-campaigns. All of Destiny 1 is still up, running, and still supported. The content from Forsaken's smaller section is gone, the Red War is gone, but that is because the game actually couldn't run it. I'm not some super defender, but for the love of all that is holy if you make a video essay please make it good and honest. You say "oh this isn't meant to make new players worried" and that is the biggest lie I have ever seen. 95% of this video is fearmongering, "OOOOH WHEN THE NEXT SEASON LAUNCHES MY POWER GETS RESET." He says after Bungie had announced that, in fact, his power is not changing next season. God this is embarrassing. Please stick to any other video game you play. This video exists to just fan the flames that is the utterly abhorrent Destiny community. This type of video is what's wrong with the game. You neglect to point out the communities' fault. The community lost transparency when they threatened a man, doxxed him, gave him death threats, over a damn exotic chest piece that got incorporated into a subclass. This community is vile, you can't walk 6 feet without leaks, complaints from undereducated overopinionated people, or getting some crazy ass clickbait shoved in your mouth.
To anyone who read this far, please stay away from this side of the community. Play the game yourself, Lightfall streamlined the learning curve substantially, and this season is the best in my recollection (S21) so I implore you to make your own decisions, because this video is painfully full of lies. As for you Charlie, you clearly have some talent writing scripts, and I think you should try more research oriented work, not a rant about a game you just fundamentally misunderstand.
Thank you for this I couldn't believe what I was hearing
Yeah there are genuinely some wrong things in this video. I hate it when people act like they can’t quit the game too 💀
Couldn’t have said it better myself
I have been playing Destiny for 9 yrs and whomever the devs are that are working on the game are terrible at their jobs. Every new DLC or season brings tons of new bugs that very often are so bad that they have to take the game offline for 24 hrs to fix it . That's just for pve . Now pvp you have hundreds of thousands of cheater's in Destiny and it doesn't matter if you are on PC or console because they have cheater's on both . On PC you have hacker's and on console you have Cronus users. The quality control of this game is non existent anymore. I agree with you 💯 percent about the love hate relationship with Destiny.
Single Player gamer to multiplayer gamer:
“Wow, sucks to be you.”
I’d love to just enjoy a game on Destiny with new friends who don’t care how good I am or who I am in general. Dunno why it’s so hard for me not to be anxious before talking to people
We can play some time if you want, I know that struggle too well.
@@CafeCharlieDamn really? Well sure then if you don't mind, when do you usually hop on???? Or do you use a Discord or something.
Get over it. Life gets harder than this. Ahead of you is ball cancer and your kids looking at porn and your wife expecting you to be a man who doesn’t record diatribes about how he’s anguished by video games. That’s on the horizon, pal. Strap in. I love destiny because it’s an escape from real, actual, objective problems. Don’t be a baby. Play the game. Quit expecting it to redefine digital entertainment with every TWAB
Dave, calm down, I just needed something to talk about this week
@@CafeCharlie stuff it Charlie. You’re butt hurt over a video game. You know it and it bothers you that I know it.
"Destiny 2 isn't a good friend making environment."
Hard disagree (also just in my opnion!). I was able to find several friend groups over just two years of playing the game solely from doing LFG raids. Usually I find that the best LFG's for making friends are those that invite you to their actual server (since you can stick around and see how they are) along with groups where you guys are trying to do something for a long time, like a legit Riven, because that gives you something to bond over. Don't get me wrong, a lot of LFG groups are absolutely horrendous, but you only need a couple to stand out to make long lasting connections.
Great video, the "potential" section is really accurate. One thing I notice is that every year there's some new supposed "Destiny killer" just because no other game can capture Destiny's audience, just like how companies were searching for the elusive "Halo killer" until Call of Duty 4 came out to actually fill that role.
I think xbox lfg is jsut different laos alsways say have fun be chill
It's always those people who dont pay enough attention that say "the story sucks". Makes more sense when what they mostly like about the game is the pvp 🤷♂️
when people say the story sucks they fs mean the actual campaigns in game but yeah the lore surrounding the game is interestin
I mean if you start playing now the story does suck ass because you can't possibly know what the fuck is going on since most of it isnt even in the game.
You can tell he hasn't played for a while as he gets several basic facts wrong. Pretty embarrassing.
1000% relatable, I also have been solo since D1 Beta. everything you stated is exactly what I have experienced.
I mean you're totally right on most of it, but I don't really agree with you on the no friends point. At least for me, I started playing around 2.5 years ago (just after beyond light), with 2 other friends playing with me. They both stopped playing around a month or two later, but I kept going, got close with LFGs, Clanmates etc. I now would say I have made 50+ friends, not all play consistently anymore, but at any time there are probably 20-30 who are online daily. Maybe it is because I play a lot more than you (5500 hours in 2.5 years), and spend a lot of it raiding on lfg (1.5k hours spent in raids), but either way I'd say destiny is the game which I have made the most friends from by a LONG shot.
Not to mention if you like raiding, spend enough time in lfg and you'll have a whole hoard of people who will invite you instead of re-queueing into lfg companion/discord. Even if you don't look for friends you'll still get acquaintances at least.
@@Zevox144 yeah, as long as you do raids fairly often (which the guy in the video doesn't), then you'll make friends pretty fast as long as you're not toxic or rly bad. and then if you get rly deep into a specific aspect of the game you'll make better friends in specific communities like for example i know a lot of people from the lowman community, i have some friends who know a lot of ppl in the speedrunning community, it rly isn't that hard to meet ppl and make friends.
Was a day 1 Destiny 1 player, fell off a few years ago when it became really clear how much of a content treadmill the game was (and especially when they started removing content people paid for, how the fuck they get away with that is baffling). Frankly my gaming time is infinitely better having dropped it completely, and my wallet is happier. It does a lot well (really the art direction and shooting mechanics) but it falls so short on so much I just couldn't give it a pass anymore. I still like peeking in occasionally to see what the state of the game is and so far its only reinforced that i made a good choice getting out.
Everyone is hating in the game but have like 2000h at least and they are still playing. Maybe the game is simply a very good game with flaws like every other game in the market. Maybe they are being too harsh with it.
Destiny is special, no one does what it does and it's like a home. Obviously it's not perfect but the art, the gunplay, the endgame content mechanics, the sense of power, the customization, the lore...it's just a very good quality game and i'm tired of pretending it isn't.
Every Betheshda game has bugs, glitches, cuestionable design in certain areas, but they are still loved games.
Also Destiny is not that expensive. Games like WOW requires monthly subscription and expansions are destiny levels of expensive if not more. I think 80$-100$ for an entire year of content is not a bad thing.
Destiny is evolving each year, it's fun and has a very solid community. I understand the hate but I don't regret of playing it, for me it's worth all the money I've spent
I've played since launch. I quit before lightfall. I'm not coming back
This is one of the best, most honest evaluations of the game that I've seen. The larger YT content creators, not surprisingly, tend to gloss over many of the glaring flaws of Destiny 2.
Expect to be excoriated by their dedicated cult followers, er, viewers. 😂
Very good video. Played for around a year and a half and I can agree with a lot of what you said. Not purchasing lightfall was a good choice on your part I think as it’s just filler until final shape which people say was what lightfall was originally meant to be. No mention of server issues is fine as you showed them in the video but power isn’t being increased at all next season
all he did was complain. dude literally said that the story was bad despite not playing witch queen and forsaken
What makes you think I didn't play Witch Queen or Forsaken? I just find the story in every campaign to be very generic and meaningless because I don't read up on lore before playing through. All I get is the dialogue, which I really don't enjoy, and the cutscenes, which are usually pretty cool. Forsaken was a particularly lame story line in my opinion, because from what I remember, it was just about killing a few scorn guys to avenge Cayde. And while Witch Queen was probably cool if you knew enough lore for the implications to have real impact, to me it was just neat that the traveler gave the hive light. But that's not really surprising since humans defied it by wielding dark powers, so why should it stay loyal to them. Anyways there's a lot I could say about the story, maybe I could do a different video on that idk.
@@reggielacey2235 he put thousands of hours and hundreds of money into destiny, his complaints are very valid. you’ve only had the game for a few months, come back when you’ve put a thousand hours in
@@CafeCharlie Forsaken being a revenge western even if you only read the character dialogue being particularly dull? Fucking L take.
Like destiny's ingame story is definitely nothing to be proud of, but that's like one of the three high points in a whole decade.
@@Zevox144 A revenge western can work, but not when the bad guys aren't very very well fleshed out. If we got to kill Uldren, maybe that would be somewhat satisfying, but they didn't really give us that. Instead it was a few scorn bosses that had only just been introduced and never had a chance to do much before we killed them.
Bruh I couldn't have put it better myself. Honestly, playing Destiny at this point is just another chore... People might ask why I even play the game anymore if that's the case, and the truth is that it's the only game my friends play, or, at least, it's the only game that my friends and I all play.
Sounds so sad
I jumped shit quite some time ago because the truth is that this game is purely predatory in terms of how it handles peoples: money, time, and energy. No game should require you to spend as much as this thing does for the massive lack of quality but also forcing you to pay and play based on the fear of missing out. People have literally spoke about having the desire to play other games but can’t because if they miss a few days of destiny they’re gonna miss out on all these things that they can’t get again. Light fall being as terrible as it was saved me the Fuckin 60 dollars because why would anyone pay for this thing after hearing about how it went. People claim they still play because “the game has potential and we all wanna see it succeed” but like why?? It’s been 10 years nearly and they almost never showed improvement, always have controversy, always ask for absurd amounts of money, and don’t do anything that’s actually player friendly. This game is the most absurdly mediocre game considering the price and management. The “content vault” is actually a JOKE. I really feel like if you have to cope and make up these random reasons to remove content just makes it feel lazy. Like not being able to play half the content ever released in the game is simply stupid. The only good thing about any of destiny is it’s outside lore and deep story within the lore, but absolutely not the fuckin story telling in game. There’s not a single like original non tropey character in this universe that we are shown in the game. Overall I’m done ranting about this stupid game, this game is never worth 200 something dollars or more, tell that price tag to any non destiny player and they’ll call you a victim for bein hooked on this opium for this long
If Destiny 2 isn’t the poster child version of Stockholm syndrome for gaming then I don’t know what is. I left a year ago after 1000+ hours and I feel free. There are too many other games out there that deserve my money then Destiny 2 at this point.
I didn't play destiny 2 a lot as i don't spend that much money on videogames but i have to say it has one of the best gun play I have ever witnessed along with one of the most confusing advancement and quest system
I've also been a 9 years Destiny veteran, and I resonate with a lot of this video. There are always two sentences I use to describe Destiny to people that ask me if they should play it. 1) "Destiny is like a 5 star meal served on a paper plate" and 2) "Destiny is the equivalent of an abusive relationship". I was lucky enough to get in early and it took me from D1 base-Season of Opulence to make a single friend to play Destiny with and I didn't even meet them through Destiny, I met them through VRChat. I want to stop playing with the amount of frustration this game gives my on a near daily basis, but I'm way too deep at this point and I have to keep going in order to justify all the time I've put in. But another problem is that Bungie has no competition for Destiny, every game that tries to dethrone Destiny fails and I feel trapped with only Destiny to scratch that Destiny itch
Great video. I thought it was honest. I don't think you need to apologize for sharing your experience, IT IS WHAT IT IS. Thank you very much for sharing.
it was much easier to make friends on D1 compared to D2
Alright dude after your first "point ", I gave up on this video. If you cant "find friends" or "make friends", THATS LITERALLY YOUR FAULT LMAO. It is SOOOO easy to find people to do stuff with, but since you don't know how to make friends, let me help. Step one: JOIN A CLAN
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If there's one thing that will always make me salty about sunsetting is losing my favorite bow to it.
Sometime ago you could get a bow from a Valentine's Day event. With a pink shader the petals were a really nice pink and I loved using it.
Then they did the whole sunsetting thing. And after that they announced that there will be no more Valentine's Day events. Which means that outside of mindlessly shooting grunts in EDZ or something I have permanently lost one of my favorite weapons.
The Vow. Oh how I miss it dearly...
The two crimson days shaders are the only things i run on my armor, crimson valor just looked so clean
Wow man, thanks so much for making this vid. It’s all true. I’ve been playing for 9 years, and feel like I’ve just been snapped out of a trance
I hear you too...I snapped out of it (slowly) late last year, and quit. My beginning was just before House of Wolves. It's changed so much, I don't I can even say it's the same type of game anymore...
Bungie has perfected the art of selling hope. You do not keep playing because the game is good, you do in hope of it getting better, although it rarely (if ever) does.
I used to play Destiny 2 and I really liked it but unfortunately due to not being able to give it too much time back then, had to drop it before I could finish the main campaign.
Years later, I redownload it and find entire planets just missing. And then find out, I can't even finish the main story anymore. So just dropped it again.
Can't believe Bungie would just lock away the main story like that from new players.
"If having cancer gave you a better RNG, Bungie would find a cure in 15 minutes"
LMAO.
Ngl if you don't understand the story after playing for 9 years, that's on you. There's even a tab in the director that paraphrases the entire franchise, which is more than enough for someone who has played all 9 years of content. The Witness is after the Traveller. The Traveller keeps us safe through Ghosts and their ability to give Guardians the Light. Protect the Traveller. It's genuinely not that complicated, and the stuff that is complicated is for people who want more. To say that Witch Queen had a bad story is ludicrous.
Also, if you don't have any good gear after 9 years that's entirely on you. Most of my high stat armour is 3+ years old from just after they reworked the mod system. You can now craft weapons through guaranteed drops that are more than suitable enough for end game content. Hell, you can craft the end game weapons from raids through these guaranteed drops so your entire point about RNG is just simply wrong. Sounds like you should be using your time more efficiently.
There are some good points here, especially with the new player experience and removing content. A lot of these points, however, are incredibly uncharitable or just straight up wrong.
Never. I believe I’m not alone when I say I love this game. Through its ups and downs I’ve been here. I just love playing as MY OWN Guardian, and the world around him.
I totally forgot about warmind. I remember curse of orisis (and paying for both). Jeez it's been a long road.
Also shoutout to the To the hellfire instrumental in there lol recognized it immediately
I made a friend in Desiny 1 Croata raid met him in real life too and he’s one of my best friends even more so than the ones I’ve grown up with back home we’ve known each other for 7-8 years now. :)