Graphics Card shortage? Buy the ATI Rage XL!
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2021
- This PCI ATI Rage XL can be purchased brand new for around $15 and is available online at places such as Amazon, eBay or AliExpress! In this video we are taking a close look at what it can do, there are benchmarks and we test games in DOS, Windows 3.11 and Windows 98!
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Can’t wait for a Matrox vs ATI Rage Budget Battle for 2022 👌
I'm done many tests of Matrox and Rage cards on my channel.
I love watching your content, i am always finding stuff like you pick up down at the dump, so always great to watch and get a few pointers.
@@modernandretrogaming Didn't you cover this specific card already also? Or at least showed some gameplay experiences? :)
@@TheRetroRaven I don't have Rage XL but I'm thinking about buying this card one day. But I like to surprise so you will see one day what will come.
Matrox does have the only REAL PCI-X GPU...
This thing is way better than the RTX 3090 in one thing:-
It's not out of stock and has reasonable pricing.
That's right 🤣
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Performance is average? Performance is trash.
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Literally performs like my integrated SIS 530 4MB dog cocka. You would be better off trying to run 3D graphics off a modern calculator.
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It runs a little bit better he says.
Screen literally shows 12fps.
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3fps in AVP2. If that doesnt communicate dumpster fire im not sure what species you are because its not human.
This was my first 3D accelerator. Got it to upgrade my Pentium Pro 200 PC in 2002 so I could play the hitman 2 demo that came in a magazine, it ran terribly and I had to aim at the floor in the outside parts to get a decent frame rate, but it was my first true 3D action game experience. Then I was gifted the full version, and it refused to start with this card, we figured out that using the demo's .EXE let the game start and although you miss the opening cutscene, I finished the game on this setup and fell in love with the franchise as a result. Still my favourite of the franchise, and although I don't have the PC anymore as the motherboard died, I still have the CPU and graphics card somewhere... 😁
So strange, that was my first 3d pc game as well. I still have the disk and case in good condition.
Oh the memories
This reminds me of the ATI Rage 128 Ultra that came in the Dell Optiplex GX150 I had back around 2000. I pushed that thing so far beyond what it was good for, and had a blast doing it :D
How does the Rage 128 compare to the XL?
@@mesterak That's Rage 4 so it's better.
@@philscomputerlab ok well I do have a Rage 128 and an ultra so I’ll run some tests and compare to the XL on my test build system, which is a socket 478 P4.
@@mesterak please do and post a link to the results here : )
i have a dell optiplex gx150, i added a ati radeon 8500 and sound blaster audigy 1 into it, runs alot of games well, even half life 2 works well, the old dvd launch 2004 1.0 version of course.
Even there is shortage in vintage cards nowadays.
A Voodoo 5 new/boxed was sold lately on eBay for $938.
That was an extensive review, you seemed pretty serious in marketing that card!
Happy holidays to you and your viewers.
Try getting any basic ISA graphics card or a VLB one. Even a crappy Trident or even a clone of one (I've seen Toshiba and ZyMOS ones) goes for 50eur or more, unless it's broken.
A good one (think Tseng ET4000, ATI Mach64 and the like) can go for way more than that. Gets a bit ridiculous when an ISA GPU costs about the same as a GTX960 (pre GPU inflation).
Unless you got into this hobby a decade ago or more when everything was still dirt cheap and worthless, it's kind of pointless to try nowadays cause everyone thinks every part is worth its weight in gold... and that doesn't even scratch the surface of the scummy "retro" sellers on ebay who buy stuff cheap(-ish) on forums etc just to flip it on ebay for exorbitant prices
Voodoo cards have become collector's items it seems. I have a Voodoo 2 from a PC we had as kids that I kept for nostalgic reasons and was quite surprised to see that they go for $100+ on Ebay.
Voodoo cards are way more rare than ATi anyway. You're paying for that.
I remember buying a Geforce 2 MX 400 PCI (That is, original PCI, not PCI Express or AGP) card many moons ago.
I just checked on eBay and the PCI versions are going for ~£100, you can pick up an AGP version for about £20. There's even one shyster on there claiming their 'rare find' card for which they've posted pictures of a what is quite clearly an AGP card is a PCI, trying to sell it for £46.
(You can definitely tell because original PCI Geforce cards have buffer chips between the card and the PCI slot)
So it's just rarity I think.
@@Max_Mustermann Really? I still have a Voodoo 2 PCI in the spares box.
The old ATI Rage series cards may be unassuming, but the image quality is surprisingly good, even when connected to an LCD.
Your videos always inspire me to dive deep into retro gaming and building a dos/win 3.11 machine. Thank you for that.
You should definitely check out how older games didn't hold your hand by giving you lvls, auto health regeneration, or turning off friendly fire. Those things completely change games, they ensure people get good based on skills. Friendly fire is essential to keep players from spamming and they should get punished.
Its been a while im not looking in retro stuff, glad to see your video again phil.
Awesome video Phil. Been using ATI and 3DFX since day one.
omg mate, i literally just bought one a few hours ago, just sat on my desk to research it and your video came up! mad!
Love the opening! "The graphics card shortage is over!" Great video! I ordered one from Amazon to test it out. A PCI graphics card is always useful. Merry Christmas!!!
Most excellent! It´s good that someone does research like this so that we´ll have options. Especially now since scalpers has been running rampant for the last couple of years hoarding all the parts in their closets and jacking up the prices. Keep up the good work!
A great old Card. Thanks for the Video Phil and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
thank you for the video, have a great holiday season. i just bought one :)
Merry Christmas Phil!
I've known about these for a while. Use them for the Pentium 66, The PCI 486, and the Socket 5 Board. The only thing really faster is the ET6000, which is much rarer and more expensive. make sure to get the other version, rather than the one in the thumbnail.
Loving these oddball card reviews, amazing how diverse the market was. Keep up the good work!
Nice video (as usual) and nice card for MS-DOS Windows 3.11 rig. I like joking with actualm shortage situation too.
This card is very interesting but I prefer to get a cheap ATI Rage Pro to match with K6 300MHz or Pentium 233 MMX for example
Looking forward to this one my friend!
My first 3D video card was an AGP2X ATI 3D Rage Pro with 4 megs of RAM. I used it for about 5 years. It was pretty good for running DX6 games and some OpenGL games. Driver updates and overclocking made it even better (with the Rage Pro Tweaker). Good times. :)
Bought it! Thanks for the informative video.
wow...that build gave me throwback whiplash! NICE!!!
Glad you like it
I miss SiS Chipsets and your retro builds bro! Thanks! =D
Rage Pro Tweaker allows you to disable Vsync and overclock the card among other things. It works with all ATI cards from M64 to Rage XL.
Thanks I will look for it.
@@philscomputerlab Cheers mate. Happy holidays!
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Use Scanline Sync bruh.
Make a video on how to use it for advanct retro purposes saving bandwidth. Target common monitors and save the world from having to store memory and allocate bandwidth on vsync, yet achieving the same effect with less latency. Its a true nightmare, but come on. It would brute force fix so many generations of graphics card drivers that would completely destroy your performance using vsync because it felt like it.
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Maybe cover the top 10 monitors or something like that. Id be super impressed if you did. Remember its GPU load, monitor, game, driver specific. Build it around the most common but your favorite parts and title the video, THE VSYNC PATCH to end all woes on retro hardware. Pick the top retro games and maybe push out a little by little into an archive for science. Teaching people how to use it in mass means more can contribute which will be required. Otherwise someone needs to program a bot to exploit its potential in very fast code.
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Im willing to forgive being ignored for pointing out a genuinely useful finding that really tells a lot of history about AMD processor potency lying dormant still. Literally its a performance patch on ice, waiting to be found for a handful of games in history. Most being up to 2010 before the government fined the shit balls out of intel for playing games. These games are discoverable as they are locked in the strata of retro all around you, that you use literally all the time.
Nice intro, humorous. I had the Xpert98 and play something like that. I tried the Rage II driver and sometimes it worked. But that was in 1998. But I should have got a 16mb graphic card with that PII 350mhz, with 100mhz bus. I got the Voodoo3 the very next year. Lots of chips will be available in this period because the limit of 1 graphic card per 1 client, Pc or household is being reinforced. a Mach64 was the chipset.
I often see this beast on Amazon and wonder if I will ever have a use case :) It is handy to have something like this still available, I guess the main use case is in industrial settings and retro rigs of course :)
I picked up one of these a little while back just for giggles. One of my socket 7 boards would not boot with it, but another one did: An IBM Aptiva 2196 small form factor system (super socket 7 with a K6-2+ as standard). Unfortunately it was a little redundant in this system, with the integrated SiS630 graphics outpacing it. But it's a neat and cheap little card that I'm glad to have in the kit for when it's needed.
My very first graphics card, I adored this thing for all the good times it gave me as a kid.
Nothing can beat my S3 Trio32V+ with 1MB + additional 1MB of video memory. Lines and rectangles at speed of light!
You have hands of a working man! Respect!)))
I love that changing to high detail in Blood2 gives you an extra handgun :D
You can also still buy a new Geforce FX5500 PCI (costs a bit more though).
Finally a great review for this card! I've been hesitating for quite some while if I should invest in this thing or not. Ha, finally I can play Tomb Raider II on my PC! My SEGA Saturn is showing its age...
Dude I love you. Thank you for posting this.
Dear Phil, thank you so much for the informations!
Great video as usual. Not going to buy one 😂 maybe one might end up in my hands by accident though as it happens a lot haha. Merry Christmas Phil!
This is so 2022. I can feel the future already.
Pretty good card for early Direct3D games, essentially a desktop version of their Rage Mobility chip that was common in a lot of late 1999/early 2000 laptops. Shame CIF is broken on these. UT99 should run on it with the right config file settings, I run that on my Compaq Armada M700 with a Rage Mobility and other than being a bit slow you can tweak it to look decent (mipmapping needs disabling otherwise things get VERY blurry).
Это бэушные чипы со старых материнских плат, которые китайцы садят на максимально дешёвые PCB. Даже шина памяти только 32бит, вместо 64-х, хотя несложно ведь было сделать и нормально. Эта карта хуже любой старой ATI Rage Pro.
You can get CIF working to some extent with a very specific set of custom drivers from Gona's CIF Compatibility Matrix. At least Mech 2 and Tomb Raider work. I've got an old eMachines eOne with the XL onboard and can confirm it works.
I remember the first graphics card that I remember buying and installing in a PC was a 16 mb 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 that I bought in July of 1999.
My Dell Dimension xps 450t is fully stock, running Windows ‘98 Second Edition with a “Slot One” 450MHz Pentium III CPU, Turtle Beach Montego II sound card with on-board gameport, and a 3Dfx VooDoo 3 graphics card. I can’t recall the amount of RAM or storage, but I can tell you it runs fairly well for having sat dormant in a basement since 2005.
I’m cruising at a smooth 30FPS on them King’s Quest games.
Ahhh I remember this card very well. My first PC had a S3 Virge which didn’t work well with GTA2. My cousin had this card in his PC and that ran it so well. This was well before AGP graphics cards where common, even had a ISA modem and sound card. Upgraded to the notorious FX 5200 few years later.
Interesting, my second system had VIA integrated graphics which didn't run very well classic Quake2, so I bought it the FX5200 and game played better
I hate the S3 Virge, It's the worst "accelerator" I've ever used. Half-Life runs better in software mode on my old rig!
Brand new, in stock, cheap, PCI, VGA but you can also add not power hungry.
add the Status, does not need a 6 pin pci express connector or molex to run
I just bought one of these to test as well lol. Haven't tried it yet but have high hopes now
Premiers in two days?
Just enough time until the scalpers get to them
😂😂😂😂
@@philscomputerlab I love Phi^^^Clint but sometimes I want to kill him.
I bought a new one a few months ago for my 486, but had those problems with some Apogee games. But other than that, it's a good card. I think my motherboard is modern enough to support the voltage. But is still a socket 3 board
This is the type of reviews I've read constantly in my childhood, from different magazines, there was even black and white magazines (they were cheaper)
Amazing how poor a performance this card provides in windows 9x, but somehow, pretty great in windows 3.1? very weird; this may be a gem in terms of a windows 3.1 build since there are so few games for that OS stressing beyond 1024x768. Hopefully there will be other alternatives that are better that you can get new, or we'll see someone create some fancy FPGA PCI card that emulates voodoos soon; As right now, the brand new custom voodoo cards from Ciacara Modder are rather expensive and low production run experiments mostly.
This video made me go and take my Rage XL that provided much happiness early in the game but, later, much trouble with newer games. I mean... Try and play Ragnarök with it. It's messy.
It's still alive n' kicking!
I just got mine recently, about time someone made a video about it. Always had a thought about someone making a video about an interesting GPU that's still sold as new and is cheap.
This card in Greece is also known as SkatasXL
It's funny just how used the chip and VGA connector are while the PCB is brand new. I guess these chips came from old recycled servers.
This would have been a great card back in the day, when those older computers were still getting online with dial up. It would be used to allow 32-bit color and a higher resolution. It's original purpose I suppose. Now it's a retro gaming card! Onboard graphics was so terrible back then, even if you didn't game!
The main intention for this thing was actually servers, and a crapton of these basic Rage XL GPUs along with 8MB VRAM as a single chip (like on the card in the video) ended up on server boards where the sole function was to have _something_ that outputs video for diagnostics and monitoring, with low component count (= cost) soldered right onto the board. In fact, the only reason why board manufacturers switched to something else was ATI discontinuing these chips sometime in 2006 IIRC, replaced by the ATI ES1000 based on the first Radeon (7000) in 2007
All the sudden I don't feel the need to upgrade anymore now that I appreciate what I have.
I vaguely remember that some of the earlier ATi cards, such as the Rage Pro, didn't support fog effects. It may be that there is an ATi specific render path after all in the SW game that was made at some point with those cards and their limitations in mind, and then officially abandoned.
Weird that Thief 2 worked. Maybe it doesn't do table fog, but some other implementation? I know some other cards struggle with Thief 2.
Great video Phil! Where can I download the FFVII demo? I googled it but only found the remake :(
I love the title of this video. This video is comfort food for me.
Hi Phil, Merry Christmas!!! :)
Suppose getting something from the 90's would be cheaper than most of the stuff you can buy.
i'm from 1942 and this set-up is a beast, yo!
I suck at your game! ..liked 1943 though...
ATI Rage name alone is really badass I would love to have it in my retro gaming pc build
The OST 6.3V 1000µF capacitors on that Asus TUSI-M motherboard can leak and/or go open. If this is the case, then a 3DMark benchmark test will not run stable in combination with a dedicated PCI graphics card. The other capacitors are usually good.
Some good memories there, thank you :)
My favourite ever card was an ATI All In Wonder Pro 8MB AGP. Awesome card.
Very glad I dodged so many bullets back in the day when 3D was very hit & miss. My first was a Voodoo Banshee which had great compatibility and performance. Second was a GeForce 3 Ti200 which, by then, we were pretty much out of the woods. It was smooth sailing after that, other than driver issues.
I had a Rendition Verite back in the Quake 2/Halflife days that was no speed demon and would run around 33fps at 800x600, but rendered beautiful graphics for the time. I did overclock the card and the CPU, an AMD 1.2 ghz Intel equivalent, I think? Anyway, built my own machines and always tried to squeeze as much out of them as possible. Of course I had like 4 case fans and a frigging giant heat sink on the AMD cpu which got hot af but never failed. I was a big AMD guy early on despite some weaknesses like poor floating point operations vs Intels of the day. Always bought motherboards that you could OC the cpu without dealing with jumpers. The good old days...
No worries, I'm sure the scalpers will bump the price up on that particular card from a reasonable $30 to $100 in no time ;)
I just bought one of these as a display adapter for my pentium 3 slot 1 computer
Wow! a graphics card in stock at a decent price?! Amazing.
Christmas Eve Special :) Nice
During my neighborhoods spring cleaning event I just left a box full of old graphics card and ram sticks out. Im someone will get some money from edo memory.
It also included a couple different rage graphics card. A smaller one, bigger than the XL though, and a rage that included a second circuit board attached to it. Also a random nivida tnt2 and an Geforce mx2.
Most of the cards dropped were original cards my dad got from friends for free as they upgraded to new pcs.
I did not however left go of my precious 3dfx cards nor ATI cards I actually used.
Still got my Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo 2, Voodoo 3500 TV.
Still kept my Ati Radeon 7000 32mb, 2 Radeon 9550s 256mb, HD Radeon 4850 512mb, HD Radeon 6770 1gb, HD Radeon 7970 3gb, and RX580 4gb.
I have good memories of this motherboard, it came on the first computer I bought with a 1.4 GHz Celeron. Is the SiS 630/730 performance worse compared to this ATI?
08:09 : *Clive Barker's Undying* is one of the best FPS i've ever played(i have such nice memories from this game) and to this day remains one of my favourites.
This game was running fine at my *1999* PC ( Pentium III 550MHz / nVIDIA Riva TNT2 Ultra ) so i can't say that i was impressed with what i saw in this video.
Still , since i like retro-hardware , it was an enjoyable video nevertheless.
Played it onna' brand new AMD THUNDERBIRD 1400MHz build - in late 2001.
Yup! The Geforce3 Ti 500 helped too.
^The LAST time I bought: "The best of the best of the best" HW.
@@dallesamllhals9161 That game had incredible graphics and effects !!
I'm certain you enjoyed it to the maximum with your GeForce 3 Ti !!!
@@dallesamllhals9161 I had a Thunderbird 900 MHz in late 2001, also got a GeForce 2 MX200 32 MB. Sorry, couldn't afford a GeForce 3 at that time, it was like trying to get an 'RTX 3060 Ti now!
I feel old, LOL 😂 (now 41 years old)
I wonder if there are some omega drivers to be found for it somewhere.
I preferred using these, often provided better performance or helped solving compatibility issues like missing fog.
Finished Max Payne on a Rage Pro Turbo despite the readme file saying don't even try it haha. Other than occasional missing wall textures, the game ran 640x480 low settings 20-30 fps
My Rage Fury Max card was awesome. Dual AGP 4x gpus on a single card. It did have an interesting problems when trying to run games like AvP2 and Morrowind that shadows didn't work right ( so I could see invisible predators in AvP2)
Good looking out on that mod, I bought that card a year or two ago and it wouldn't work with an old intel super socket 7 board I was trying to run.
wow what a blast from the past
how many i have to buy to run Crysis at max setings i cant wait !=] thank you this is just what the world needs
So... this would be great to pair with Voodoo 1 or 2?
I have a rage 128 around here somewhere. It's what I played diablo 2 on back in the day.
Thanks for the video! I was looking for a low-power card for a server and found this card. It's nice that there is still new hardware for old computers because the prices for, e.g., a S3 are exorbitant. Furthermore, I prefer not to put a historical card in a server that doesn't take advantage of its capabilities. The old hardware is too good for that.
I wonder if something like Voltage Blaster could be made for generating 3.3V line on motherboards which don't have one.
Excelent Video.
12:00 That's explain my issue with that card on my PCChips Socket7 Aladdin IV ( TXPro). It would beep "Video Card Missing", that was a bummer (as I was looking for a good 3D card for it). At the end I was able to score a NOS ATI Rage 128 PCI on eBay.
i can say i got unreal working fine myself installing it from the cd version so there might be some conflict with a patch that gog applied to the game
Do you remember what driver you used?
Thanks Phil for the video. It feels like Christmas a day early 👍
Are all of these with a 32bit memory interface? I also had no luck getting these to work on any Socket 7 motherboards, but the voltage mod looks interesting. Shame the other video is a bit light on details as to what spec regulator was used.
Yes, the card uses a single 8 MB 32 bit wide memory chip (K4S643232F-TL60). The chip on Phil's card is actually rated for 166 MHz, so it has quite a bit of headroom for overclocking. Not sure if the Rage XL can be pushed that far though.
I'm glad for my 2200G, Vega 8 is good enough to play less demanding titles, like the currently free Pathfinder Kingmaker from Epic.
"Even with a magnifying glass...the image looks perfect" killed me, great video.
Nice to see someone else out there who understands computer hardware and not born yesterday only knowing about 7nm n below it's absolutely ridiculous how the new generation doesn't know how to enjoy anything for more then 5 minutes.
I used to run a Rage XL 8MB AGP in a Win95 box when I still had a Pentium MMX / AMD K6 computer. They kick ass in Half Life, Unreal, Wheel of Time, Continuum, Total Annihilation, anything Flash 5, Games Factory, Multimedia Fusion and RPG Maker 2000 ran fine. Warning Forever was another good one. Anything NES/SNES emulation was spot on. GBA stuff ran okay. N64 emulation struggled a bit without XP drivers and there was a big enough default difference on Server 2003 that sometimes it would refuse to run, not that you would want to run those games around 1/4 speed or worse but they _were_ playable with an overclocked K6. The Rage Magnum (2000) 16MB/32MB series blew the doors off all those bottlenecks.
Could be cool for a DOS gaming machine and a little bit of Canadian tech history.
You should do a fastDoom test on that card kind of curious as to how it works on your setup.
Could you do a video about setting up Dosbox-X with Win98SE?
wow... i need this for my win98 pc build..
I just bought one of these because I have a build where the mb only has PCI, no AGP. I'm really hoping it will be able to run Diablo 2 and Age of Empires 2.
Hope your mobo have 3.3V ) or you should modify it.
Both of those are mainly 2D games, so depending on your CPU you should be able to run them just fine.
Diablo II requires DirectX 6.1. The Rage XL is 6.0 but I think D2 has a software or some other fallback video mode if there is a DirectDraw feature conflict.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 It does.
FX 5200 pci
My hobby is rescuing mainly old Apple computers, but I’ve decided to branch out into old windows machines as well.
Just found your channel a couple days ago and I’ve resurrected 2 old Pentium 4 machines (Vectra 420 and a custom build with a MB800r-v main board). My initial reason for bringing these back to life was to complete my ‘first aid kit’. I have all MacOS versions as either bootable partitions or ESD installers.
Question: Would it be worth it to do the same with windows as well? Would you recommend several partitions on one sata ssd drive for windows 3.1 to 10 or separate appropriately sized mSata drives? Thanks! Great channel!
Not sure, I haven't done much with multi partition projects..
I needed a simple video card for a NAS. I ended up choosing AMD Radeon R7 250 for $30 on ebay. It was used but works perfectly and considerably more modern.
What's the R7 250 like?
I've seen it on AGP slot and 4Mb of ram, that also would be interesting to check
It can do both?
@@keyr3733 Different card with the same chip most likely.
@@ozmobozo It could have a PCI to AGP bridge
Pretty cool. I really like your editing it makes even the most boring graphs seem interesting. But what's up with the echo? :-)
Empty room and renting...