Pokemon Black & White: When Everything Changed
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2019
- This is the third and final part of a trilogy of videos in which I talk about the last 3 generations of Pokemon and how I think they relate to eachother and what they changed about the series.
If you already liked Black & White, the chances are very low that this video will change your opinion on that and that's totally fine! This video very much just represents my own personal views which I admit in the video are quite nitpicky and not something I'm trying to present as fact, or even particularly unbiased.
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Gen 5 music goes hard, what are you talking about.
Worse than the first 4 gens and it’s not even close
@@antifireemblem8224 Thats completely wrong.
If you seriously think that Gen 5 has worse music than gen 1 and 2, you're delusional.
The ONLY Pokemon game that has any life in its music besides Gen 5 is gen 3.
Gen 4s music is good, but the game is very slow, and it holds the music back.
Shellshocked Bros my dude not even the nostalgia for me could save gen 5s music conpared to the previous ones, although you do know it’s Pokémon most games have great music like kirby, gen 5 just has not as good music as 1-4 not sure about the more recent gens I’ll have to relisten to their soundtracks and compare them to 5 but i can say I definitely prefer 3 and 4 music without a doubt, 1 and 2 are better than 5 but not as good as 3 and 4
@@antifireemblem8224
Opelucid city (white)
Colress battle theme
rival Hugh battle theme
Vs. legendary theme
Just to name a few
Lila Oast eh they’re okay i mean keep in mind it’s pokemon all their songs are ok at least
“I really have no faith in them to do subtle story telling” actually this game has a lot, one example, each fight with N you have he only uses Pokémon that are readily available, showing how he only battles when necessary and releases his team after each fight
And ghetsis' theme perfectly counters the team N uses in the endgame
Also ghetsis’s hydreigon has full powered frustration
If that so why there where inside of Pokeballs when you fight agaisnt N? Where is your Pokémon lover now, huh? :V
Ps: I'm just making laugh about the nonsense of the game itself, I mean they could have programme so N releases his Pokémon on battle by just showing up, not coming from any Pokeball like the rest of trainers.
Is not that hard, they already did it in HGSS.
@Jacob Ivancic Still a bit out of place where he is supposed to be friend of every creature. But whatever, is just like asking how the economy of Hyrule works if you can get money by cutting grass, you just ignore it for the sake of fun.
Exactly, he asks for subtle storytelling but completely misses all of it. Then he also misses obvious storytelling in the team plasma knights thing
Gen 5 was the first (and last) Pokemon generation where it felt like the series was *actually* trying to grow up with its fans. It stands to date as (IMO) one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences of the 2010s as more and more franchises were becoming disappointments in the same time frame. By 2020 almost all long-standing franchises I grew up on (including Pokemon) are MASSIVE disappointments in their latest iterations (except Mario, Zelda, Smash, Animal Crossing), but I'm very thankful that Pokemon still appealed to me even up until 2012's Black 2/White 2 after having already graduated high school by the time of that entry's release.
It tried to change and evolve and make a deep story but as always, every fandom is shit she complained a LOT about it. GF listened and then we got Gen 6. Now everyone who hated it says Gen 5 is their favorite Gen now. 🙄
@@ryannoble8536 This also happened with Sonic. People hated 06's broken gameplay, and Sega *misheard* the fans and killed the Adventure formula. Fans didn't like the Werehog in Unleahsed, and because Sega listened, Sonic games no longer last over 15 hours like the Adventure games, Heroes, 06, and Unleashed used to and we've gone back to games being barely 5 - 8 hours. Fans didn't like Sonic Team experimenting with Sonic Lost World, and because Sega listened, we got Forces, a 2.5-hour insult that is the most boring and disappointing entry to date.
I don't hate Pokemon... Sword and Shield have *HUGE* problems but underneath all the graphical inadequacies, optimization issues, and developmental shortcuts to meet a holiday deadline, I can still see that some of the developers, artists, and composers cared. But I kinda do hate Sonic now.... There's nothing to like in Forces. It's just a horrible platformer that's worse than Colors from the Wii 10 years ago, with an avatar creator... Sonic Team could have just released the avatar creator by itself on the eShop/XBLA/PSN/Steam for $10 and it would have been a more valuable product than Sonic Forces is.
I feel like it was the last entry to present an adventure. Not a guided tour, like everything since Gen 6. It moved forward, but it didn’t ditch what made its predecessors great.
I wish the games just went in this direction.
It just felt more mature overall. The more mature themes in each story, the older age of the protagonists and how they’re treated by other characters, it felt like we were actually being respected as a fanbase, which pokemon has consistently failed to do for years now
i mostly enjoyed x and y, but pokemon bw, and bw 2 were just so amazing for its time, each new pokemon game it gets easier and less challenging. I replayed pokemon white on my ds and it took me like 4 days to finish it but i can finish pokemon sw and sh in like a day without trying.
can I just say, as a swedish citizen the king doesn't have to be the "leader", we have a king but from what I know they don't have much power they are mostly a representation. So I think N is just supposed to be the image of team plasma while Ghetsis can control everything
Thats pretty much it
Hell, look at Queen Lizzie in Buckingham Palace.
literally spot on!
I feel like saying that Gen 5 was the last real good generation of Pokemon games. Gen 6 and 7 did introduce some really good new Pokemon and concepts, but their biggest sin is how they treat the player.
Every issue with the gen 5 games that I had can be forgiven because at the end of the day, these games do respect the players intelligence. XY and to a further extent Sun and Moon have no respect for the players intelligence or sense of adventure. I am currently playing through a host of old Pokemon games in preparation for Sword and Shield. Trying to get into Ultra Sun is a chore. Two hours in, the game has yet to let me explore and really start my adventure. XY once the first Gym was beaten I received a tiny bit of freedom.
Pokemon Emerald. Within 10 minutes I have my starter, I've beaten my rival, and I'm off on my adventure. I should not feel like the game is slamming the breaks whenever I want to go somewhere.
Sounds like we have almost the exact same thoughts on Pokemon ahaha
@@NocturnalFudj When Ultra Sun came out I got it day one. After two hours of the same experience I had in regular Sun I turned it off and instead played Pokemon Red that I downloaded from the eShop. I had a much more satisfying time playing the 20+year old game that has no graphics or animation to speak of.
I really highly agree with you, that is whx i think gen 3 and for are by far one of the best gens!
@@MrSupersonic2012 The worst part of recent games is the beginning, but it gets better. Ultra Sun is well known for having a super-hard boss fight, so that's fun
I'm honestly not getting SwSh because Game Freak's dishonesty in the advertising makes me feel pretty insulted. I'm also immensely disappointed because I outright expected the first console Pokémon to be so much more. It should've met the standard of a home console Nintendo game that they've built up for decades. But it looks like it was developed for the N3DS for 80% of its development.
30:33 according to the devs it's because the region of unova is far removed from the previous generations causing less predators allowing for longer infancy times. Which is pretty cool considering that's a real thing that happens in real life human beings being a great example
That's dope, I wish there was something official about that in-game,
Yo that was pretty cool how you said “beings being” and it made sense, probably don’t happen much
@@NocturnalFudj pretty sure its existence shows that lol
N's weirdness is explained. Ghetsis sheltered the hell out of him to make him easier to groom. The only social contact N had growing up were Pokemon that had been hurt by humans.
Ghetsis was the original groomer
This.
When you're that one guy who actually likes sigilyph
Sigylith is the jar jar binks of the pokemon universe
Well than misa love sigilyph
It’s ok, you’re one of two guys who likes Sigilyph 👍
One of 3 guys now
lol I'm shocked there seems to be criticism of Sig's design...?
yeah some Gen 5 mons suck but I always thought Sigilyph is a GREAT design!
"it just ends, you never get to know where he stands"
He says as N in the background explains where he stands
I was just telling a friend yesterday that a big problem Pokemon has is that its NPCs/rivals are pretty basic, and used N as an example of a truly interesting character that isn't just a trope. It's baffling someone wouldn't like him just cuz he's weird and cryptic? Pokemon that can speak and the power they have is weird and cryptic, it makes sense...
@@StarxLolita btw N is a zoroark desguised as a human, makes him 10 times cooler in my opinion, if u are interested maybe check out some of the theory videos out there
@@Alanixs2242 I'm pretty sure that's just an internet theory and not confirmed in any legitimate way
@@johnalddrumph456 he transforms into a Zoroark in black and white 2
@@silentstorm5439 really? I never played BW2 so I honestly had no idea. Thanks for the info
I really like the plot, because I think you're supposed to know how bad plasma is and you feel bad for N because he's the one who doesn't see it.
I absolutely agree with you.
As a player, you know that Team Plasma is the Evil Team from Unova/Teselia, and you know that what they think is wrong. You know that Ghetsis can't think that way, but you also feel bad for N because he doesn't draw the line.
When N says that he's the king of Team Plasma and starts being controversial and thinking the same way as Team Plasma, you get mixed opinions on him. Because you know that he's not right, but you still try to show him that he shouldn't be on Plasma's side.
Ya, he says that Ghetsis is obviously evil, but that was never exactly a secret, his dialogue implies it very early on. What was compelling was how N was. He wasn’t evil, just truly passionate about his vision. The problem was it was for Ghetsis’s own interest. You opposed his ideals so u and him were Black and White. Hence the names of the game
Didn't some of Team Plasma genuinely believe in N though?
カービィKirby some did, others just used his ideals as an excuse to be evil
@@kirby6470 Yes. Those are who didn't go to Team Neo Plasma in 2012.
Neo: Ghetsis' side.
Normal: N's side.
Gen 5 has one of the most interesting and high quality soundtracks in the series. Also my favorite plot in the series, even though it’s a low ass bar.
Actually, I think Gen 5 has a really good plot, it asks a question to the Player, one of the most interesting questions in the Whole Franchise, "Do You Do What's Best For Pokemon?", aside from that, it's really mature for a Pokemon game, (Which is good, Sw/Sh treat you like a Fucking Baby and let you have as much Level as You Want using the Exp Candies and Easily Make your Team Overpowered), In B/W 2 Gethsis Frozes an ENTIRE City with Kyurem, Killing all the People in the City, and I think I heard something about them wanting to Bombard/Nuke the Elite 4
Gen 5 legendary theme is one of the best battle themes of the series. I never bothered to capture Landorus, Thundorus, Tornadus, Coballion, Virizzion or Terrakion. But ILL admit they have the best theme music.
Iris’ theme is a banger too.
B&W was the first Pokémon game I got bored with and stopped playing.
Came back for X&Y to check out the new bells and whistles and was extremely bored and why did my fox evolve into this hideous thing with hair coming out of its ears. Alola was boycott. Galar was “see, I told you so”. If everyone had boycotted like me we would be playing Pokémon breath of the wild right now.
@Trash X Trash Gethsis freezes an entire city with Kyurem if i'm not mistaken, which, obviously, kills all the inhabitants
@@SirDibble25 yeah because wanting to end the world by covering it with water or ground makes sense (Gen 3). Same goes with resetting the world (gen 4) or destroying it because of "beauty standards" (gen 6) . Black and White had characters, like N, that developed through the story in a more meaningful way compared to other Pokémon main games. I really don't understand how other Pokémon stories could be considered more sensate compared to gen 5 really, rather they result to be very underdevoloped and less thoughtful
@@achyuththouta6957 Me as well as many other people want a good story in a Pokémon game mainly because we started with gen 5 and a better story seems like something necessary. Also I get not liking gen 5 for subjective/taste reason, but dogshit is a big stretch, more so if we compare it to the problems of other Pokémon gens
I remember everyone hated these games, I thought they were good. I'm glad people have realized how good they were, unlike the unfinished shitshow that is Sword and Shield.
I guess when you get to the next generation you really get to appreciate the previous ones. I wasn't a big fan of Gen 4, after Gen 5 I went back to it and was like damn, this is pretty dope. Same thing for Gen 6 for Gen 5. But I will admit Gen 6 and up lost my interest. All the handholding really got me annoyed.
I've just finished shield for the first time because I thought It never looked that good but I just got a switch so bought it and I'd say the main stand out issue for me was how the game actually treats you like a kid in the plot like everything is repeated whenever the darkest day story line happens and then they throw in eternatus out of nowhere after not hinting to that being the reason at all and then whenever something does happen with rose like when hammerlocke has the explosion or whatever it was instead of letting us go with leon and helping like we used to do in the old game like in hg/ss with the rocket hideout and lance you get taken off the gym path to help against the evil team but in sword and shield they just drag the gym run out
same exact thing here, these have been my favorite since they came out
And x/y and sun, moon/ultra sun, ultra moon
@@pughuky5018 You have bad taste then
I think 5th gen was aiming at a slightly older audience. Battles got more depth (this was the golden era of competitive Pokémon), it got a little edgier and the tried to make a more meaningful story.
Those who hate the infinite weather and dragon meta would like to talk with you.
I can feel the edgier aesthetics though, just like in Gen 4.
Incone May lmao you’re right though. Rain was broken af but I loved it, Parafusion thunderous was a bitch and a half and power gems were op. Still the meta I had the most fun with.
Ya, I always liked it bc the main character looked older and plus it was based off of America so it seemed really relatable for me to attach to these games at a young age
Yeah I remember as a kid not liking the story at all but the competitive meta was probably the most fun I’ve had in competitive mons. I think I’m gonna replay black2 to remember the story and gameplay.
This is completely incorrect, not only are these games easier and far simpler to complete than gen 3 and 4 but the meta is also easier to control and win with various degenerate weather teams, if you go online you will see OU gen 3 and 4 battles are way longer and harder to win than gen 5 and same goes for the ingame postgames in previous games, need I mention frontiers and pokeathlon lol, from gen 5 onwards they started to rewind the clock on the age because the games were getting to complicated for kids.
Wait what? Why is the title of "King of Team Plasma" weird?
Team Plasma's original theme resembles that of the medieval knights. The grunts look like knights.
Their logo resembles a shield. Ghetsis's clothing resembles the crenelation of a fortified position such as a castle.
Their base is a castle.
I was thinking the same thing. The medieval theme in Team Plasma is clearly obvious in their design, so when N says he's the King, it doesn't come out as strange or unexpected. It matches everything we saw from this team so far.
Chase Trent ok I know full well that the grunts are meant to be dressed in something akin to chainmaille but I’ll be honest I get why people don’t understand it because truthfully it is not communicated that well
Team Plasma was trying to set up a dictatorship in the plot. They did it in the name of “freeing the Pokémon from abuse” but it was all lies set up by Team Plasma’s leader Hillary Clinton who then proceeded to cause a racial war between Alolan and Galar forms before killing N who was really Joe Biden who became woke. This is what happens when you watch the news and a Pokémon video at the same time. Poor Bernie Sanders was then banished to being the “bean guy” in Gen 7 and Donald Trump is Guzma. Bad Guzma.
Y'know, if you actually follow the plot and lore, they specifically DID set up a medieval theme because there was actually a king with two sons who owned the Pokemon that supposedly became Kyurem when the debate between the search for and emphasis on "truth" was opposed by the hope and focus towards "ideals" between the two sons. Honestly? I feel like "truth" and "ideals" might have been a bad translation choice, but it's a debate about the way things are and the way things should be...but one of those mindsets will always be forever chasing unrealistic goals while the other is mired in complacency. Meaning that, if they stand opposed, nothing good will ever be achieved.
This is why N finally realizing he's been lied to and manipulated to believe humans only hurt Pokemon is subtly clever...but it's only in a Fridge Logic kind of way, and isn't properly expanded upon.
It just kinda sounds dumb lmao
Bruh you trippin how can you not like the soundtrack
People can have opinions
gen 5 was the last generation to be truly proud of it's own pokemon
no gen 6
@@SirDibble25 lol
@@mint8648 yeah, the games that gave out kanto starters right at the beginning
@@real-horse ok and
They're hit or miss
Regarding team plasma, I always saw two sides on it: there's the generic evil team who does bad stuff to gain power, and then there's N's team. N firmly believed in his claims that liberating pokemon was for the best, and Ghetsis simply used him to get the legendary's power. But that doesn't undermine the ambiguous morality that N presents with his view:
Throughout the game, and throughout your various encounters, N always gets even the smallest of doubts about his ideals whenever he loses to the player. This eventually builds up to the last fight for the champion title, in which both the player and N have their respective legendary backing up their philosophy. THIS battle is the thing that answers the everlasting question: "is it moral to keep pokemon in balls and make them fight?": N who raised his team with his proggresive ideals, or the player who is a talented, yet fully traditional trainer. All the games continuously praise the best trainers as those who can liberate the most potential out of their pokemon through trust and bond, and BW is no different. N doubted himself when he lost to the player in the climatic battle, when his ideals proved no better than a traditional trainer's ways. And that is what made him disappear and think about himself and his views, it is even brought up in the sequels.
The game didn't answer the morality question by: "well the other side is clearly bad guys", it answered it by: "you beat the other side at their best, and thus proved that you are better".
Yes, exactly! N and Hilbert/Hilda are supposed to be different or opposing sides of the SAME coin; while Ghetsis is the antithesis to both of their beliefs. That's why your two best friends are dichotomous in truth and ideals. Just like N and Hilbert/Hilda.
This is very well said my friend!
I also like to mention how N, who was brainwashed to blindly follow ghetchis' flawed ideas, was able to see his mistakes and grow from them, something ghetchis didn't ever allow him to do
I kinda feel as if the story would be better if g-cis was not just evil because he just is.
@@lpfan4491 You have to be a historian with a degree from university to know what makes ghetsis tick other than his megalomania.
i’m not gonna lie, haxorus isn’t my favorite looking pokémon but the design is pretty sick. like you look at it and it’s just like... axe dragon. it’s an axe dragon. axe dragon. that’s pretty cool. respect. axe dragon 🪓 🐉
And Hydreigon too.
It's a fucking three-headed dragon and it's cool as fuck.
I liked all of the dragon types in Gen 5.
Haxorus is so cool it’s literally my favorite of all time
@@CGFillertext now its shiny form....
AceTrainer Wes also amazing!
B2/W2 were the best Pokemon games at time of release, don't @ me
Facts
This.
True tho
I agree except:
1) along with HGSS
2) why do you say 'at time of release'? I think this is STILL valid.
Still the best (In my opinion)
I still cant get over the fact that they didnt keep doing what they did in Heartgold and Soulsilver and let your pokemon walk with you. I know its a silly thing to care about but it felt like it added so much personality to your team and you built a bond with these digital critters. They shoulda kept doing it and it shouldve become a staple of the series. Itd help with merchandising, and since in the newer games all the pokemon battles are rendered in 3d using the same assets would make it fairly easy for a multimillion dollar corporation to do. Idk its a win win for everybody and it just seems silly they havent repeated it since in a mainline game.
I love gen 5 but that was a missed opportunity. If you're going to remove every old pokemon from the main story, let us walk with our pokemon to gain more of an attachment to them(doesn't apply to me as B/W were my first games but for veterans).
Donald J Gump Official exactly that’s one issue I have with this game and I love these games so much
Pretty sure this wasn’t possible due to hgss and bw being developed at the same time
@@Oodelally i dont mean black and white specifically I just mean any game after those remakes, at least a couple of em should have had the mechanic
Let's GO did it pretty well, Sword go home.
It's so strange how two people can play the same game, one saying the music and locations are forgettable and the other believing the complete opposite. I pretty much have the complete opposite opinions from you and I don't know why. The soundtrack (for me) is the best in the series, the locations (the best designed so far)
William Richards you could say both your ideas are black and white from each other😂
@@ryanstaiger1712 true!
To me the soundtrack is fine but the locations feel forgetable, I don't know what happend there or gen 4 but most towns seem samey. Maybe it has to do with the overused of cold colours or something, or making every town have the same kind of fir tree, I dunno.
I agree! Unwavering emotions is still a song from the soundtrack that I'd randomly put on my laptop late at right. It just hits you right in the feels
Nido Hime I feel like older games have more forgettable towns and cities. Even some towns share the same theme with others unlike Sinnoh or Unova. I can vividly remember towns and cities like Lacunosa Town, Pastoria City, Opelucid City, or Celestic Town, but it’s hard to remember Azalea Town, Violet City, Celadon City, or Cerulean City. Then again, I feel as if that’s a result of what Pokémon games I grew up with compared to other Pokémon fans such as yourself. I’m personally a Sinnoh baby, and it’s my first region, so I feel more attachment and it’s more memorable for me. When people talk about Pokémon, quite often will there be an abundance of disparaging of other gens or regions, but that’s indicative of what people grow up with, different generations of fans even, have different experiences with each generation of Pokémon. I find that endearing thinking about everyone’s personal and unique experiences with such a renowned franchise. Sorry for the tangent, I-I got carried away, ehehe.
I can never describe what a wonderful feeling playing this game for the first time was. Everything was new, the pokemon looked awesome, the music was catchy, the look and environments were amazing. The game itself felt so big, yet, you never felt lost or overwhelmed. It's the one game where you would replay again, knowing that you will never has the same feeling of mystery, but will remind you of how good you felt playing it for the first time. Nostalgia at it's finest.
The Cosmic, Kidd couldn’t agree more. Best music, best memories
Just finished the main game, and going into the post-game.
Even now, I'm 20 years old and the game hits differently. Imo it's the most beautiful looking Pokemon game we've had. The large cities, the mountains, the bridges and forests... Everything felt perfect. The music was very fitting, upbeat when it wants and goes dark when the story hitting.
I remember I almost cried when the gym leaders went to the character's rescue vs. the sages. And I had a very similar feeling now at 20.
I love and have nostalgia for every Pokemon game. But Black/White is just different. I think it's the best Pokemon game we've had.
100% agree. Gen 5 was the last time I ever felt such excitement exploring a Pokemon world. The whole atmosphere of Unova was dark and edgy, and not in a stereotypical way. Some designs are forgettable, but I remember being just as intrigued with almost every single Pokemon. There was a theme going on. Sigilyph was found near yamask - what would later evolve into a mummy. Sigilyph alone was just abstract but when you look at him in the bigger picture, it makes sense.
Everyone says designs are bad. Like in this vid where you could literally describe “blue man on cloud” but that can be said for every single Pokemon. Charizard - a dragon. That’s it. Blastoise - tortoise with guns. Venusaur - lizard with plants growing on it. But with Pokemon (we’ll exclude the more recent games) there was a theme/concept with Pokemon and they had to be viewed together and with context. It was more than just looks but sadly people didn’t seem to get that.
I doubt I’ll ever get that same feeling than what I did in gen 5. Why can’t we just get a new Pokemon game with a whole new Pokédex and only at post game will we be able to venture further and find Pokemon from previous gens. *sigh*
Rant over 😂
The Cosmic, Kidd that’s crazy because I feel the same way about Gen 4. It was my first pokemon game and it was truly an amazing experience.
Completely agree. When these games came out I was still a kid and didn't know how to look things up on the internet like new games or reveals, so all the Pokemon were new to me. I adored Gen 4, and gen 5 was a completely separate and wondrous world to discover. I was excited to stumble into the grass and see what new pokemon I would see. Gen 5 always seemed like a soft reboot to me.
I disagree with almost everything you said, but the whole “man on a cloud” segment was fucking hilarious
I had a great time with White 1... it's personally the most "realistic" type of mainline Pokémon titles
@@languistThats the problem it should not be so realistic its meant to be a magical escape from the real world ....
@@MultiJudgmentdragon I wish Pokemon were real XD
Would be so dope to own a Vaporeon as a pet haha
@@languist Id rather have a pet milotic XD
7:55 "some exceptions can be made of course...especially if they're based off a culture you're not familiar with"
This video is old and the sentiments I'm about to express may have been said before, but early on you criticized a few designs that are obviously based heavily on Japanese mythology and culture. Darumaka, for example, is based on the Japanese Daruma doll in its design and animations. Thundurus and Tornadus are based off the two shinto brother dieties Raijin and Fujin (see also: Mortal Kombat). I really encourage you to look up Raijin + Fujin and the Daruma doll because I think it'll clear up some confusion you seem to have with the design choices.
That being said, please don't take this as a defense of these designs because even though I like the cultural and historical context surrounding a guy like thundurus quite a bit, I don't think "blue man on cloud" is the best way to incorporate that into a Pokémon game
Also as an aside, anthropomorphic Pokémon are pretty weird, right? Like pokemon for me is a celebration of all the strange pets I wanted to have when I was a kid and didn't understand why its irresponsible to own a tiger. It gets a little weird when I start owning pokemon that are essentially people but can shoot lightning 🌩
i thought thundurus, tornadus were based off arabian genies and gods
I’m going to be honest I kinda like Sigilyph, I dunno why, the closest thing to a reason I can give as to why I like Sigilyph is “it looks cool and abstract,” maybe it’s just so weird and abstract that it’s memorable and kinda cool, I dunno
It has such a strange stat-line and movepool that it causes me to have a soft-spot for it. And I always liked Nazca lines so that is another plus.
Sigilyph is one of my favorite pokemon and I always use it when I play the gen 5 games.
If you're playing through casually, it's really fun to use a Magic Guard Sigilyph with Cosmic Power. You max its defences, then get it to just blast everything with Psychic and Air Slash. It gets Cosmic Power at level 48, so it's a bit of a wait, but you can waste half the Elite Four with it. It gets even better when you find the Leftovers. Its ability also means that it's impervious to all damage except through direct attacks - and with those massively buffed defences, it's now basically a fast tank.
Don’t feel bad for liking Sigilyph. Very underrated Pokémon
@@jeffmiles4356 Well at the very least NU, I don't know about UU.
Say what you will about gen 5, but you can’t disagree with me when I say the soundtrack slaps
Facts. I personally love Black and White 1 & 2.
Can't disagree when I don't know what "slaps" means in this context =D
@@houndofculann1793 Slaps as in, "Goes hard af." Or, it is amazing.
Indeed.
Yep your right
It just baffles me how you can dislike this game but enjoy gen 6 so much
Get out we all love Gen 6 but yeah I just like the funny monkeys dancing in battle
Because Gen 6 games are the best Pokémon experience overall!
Gen 5 games tried to do an unecessary reboot on the franchise and looks a cheap copy of the core Pokémon games....
@Explosion100 BW2 até better than BW but not enough to be considered good!
XY has BY FAR the best online system making you spend many more hours of gameplay with interaction with worldwide players.
XY gave us the BEST FEATURE in more the 100 Pokémon games named Mega Evolution! All the concept of the megas are amazing and the idea of your Pokémon evolve even further to get its maximum battle potential is incredible! I see all the Pokémon community begging to megas come back and to GF create new megas for the unfortunate Pokémon that doesn’t have one.
XY brought the series to 3D and every Pokémon was remodeled making Pokémon looks absolutely gorgeous!
XY brought many other features that are effectively used (different of pokestars studios that nobody gave a shit) like Poke Amie, Super training, Inverse Battles, Trainer customizations and they improve a lot the odds for Shiny Hunting making this type of gameplay more tangible for the first times in the série.
The Metagame in Gen 6 was the best one and most balanced one with the introduction of the Fairy type and along the Megas. Those innovations made the competitive scenario all new again and many player started to play it thanks to gen 6 games.
XY definitely is the best overall Pokémon gaming experience!
About the Kanto thing you said, I disagree! Kanto influences every generation after it! It is the most important and more love generation of all! Unova tried to ripp off Kanto being a lazy copy of it and fail miserably being hated in their released times and being the most controversial Gen until now....
@@pedromonteiro2248 XY animations lack any life and personality, compared to the animated sprites.
Also what do you mean with the meta game being balanced? No Pokémon game has a really great balanced meta, Gen 6 especially. Do u remember Mega Kangeskhan?
Gen 5 brought the game to a more grown experience/Kanto inspired game. GF kept in mind how the kids of Gen 1 were all pretty much adults now, so that’s why the game has such themes. If you compare Gen 5-6 on their Kanto bait, 6 is way worse (do I even need to mention Charizard)
5 gave a breath of fresh air compared to the other games that had heavy hands of Kanto shoved in.
We won’t agree on this, this issue is pretty black and white (🥁)
But I bet we can agree that, at least,
Gen 7 is the worst
@@aes2621 XY animations are gorgeous for its time and they still being used even today in most Pokémon games (ORAS, SM, USUM, SWSH, Pokémon GO, Pokémon Master all uses XY models). Can you still say they are lifeless? They created a new standard to Pokémon models. XY models will be used even in Pokémon Legends by what we have been seen in the trailers.
To tell the truth, Gen 5 sprites are the real fail! Too many Pokémon sprites from Gen 5 are recycled from Gen 4! They are bunch of broken pixel that explodes in every frame that the Pokémon have. The back of Pokémon sprites are just awfully done wit about 80% of them being a so trash that Is difficult to recognize the Pokémon over there. It hurts the eyes!
Gen 6 meta was the best to the competitive! It put the biggest number of Pokémon in OU category. Megas and Fairy type put many forgotten Pokémon in the spotlight again. Charizard, Venusaur, Lucario, Mawile, Magnetric, Aerodactyl, Gardevoir, Clefable and many other could be in the top percentage usage of Pokémon battling scenario after being put aside for some generations. Megas was a revolution in the Metagame being responsible for the boom of players in the competitive!
Gen 5 was a stepback in the franchise! I remember the blackish that Unova suffered in BW released time with many players dropping the series after the ripp off Dex! For the first time Pokémon suffered a blackish of the fans and many of them quit after the trash showed in Unova. It doesn’t surprise me that BW are the WORST SELLING games from the games core series which started a generation. To make bigger the fail, they are the worst selling in the biggest base console of all! There were more than 120 millions NDS in the market when BW was released and even that BW got the last place in sales of Pokémon games.
I don’t see Gen 6 doing a Kanto bait like Gen 5! Gen 5 tried to copy Kanto withou any shame! Gen 6 emphasizes every Pokémon of every generation and bring backs to the mainstream old Pokémon with the Mega evolution! In Kalos you can caught over 450 Pokémon of all old regions before you face E4! It is the opposite of Gen 5 that made you stuck with that disgusting Pokémon from Unova(🤢).
Charizard is for the longtime the most popular starter Pokémon. It just have one more form than it’s kanto partners! Charizard’s haters got mad because of that but they are just jealous because the fiery dragon outshines their favorite Pokémon in every aspect. Charizard it is one of the most important Pokémon to the franchise since day 1! GF recognize its appeal and put it in front of things because people worldwide automatically links Charizard image to the Pokémon franchise! It’s awesomeness, design and history made it get the treatment they deserve.
The problem of Unova is try to be Kanto, and everybody knows that Kanto is irreplaceable!
And to finish: Gen 7 >>>>>>> Gen 5.
Judging by the title I tought this video was a gen 5 praise LMAO
The design team for gen 5 took a lot of concepts from gen 1 and tried to make them a lot better. Muk is a pile of sludge, but Garbodor has unique limbs and a few features. Gen 1 had dugtrio for a “mole”, but look at drilbur and excadrill, they are waaaay better takes on a mole concept. The genies are weird, don’t get me wrong, but at least they have multiple forms. The bird trio are just yellow bird, blue bird, and red bird. This isn’t an argument for why gen 5 designs are so much better than gen 1, it’s an explanation for you calling out conkelldur, rogenrolla, and woobat for being copies of their gen 1 counterparts
yeah that’s something that’s always bothered me, is gen wunners who are like “gen 5 designs are terrible. you have garbage bag, rock, and ice cream. terrible. awful. not anywhere close to the perfection that is pile of sludge. magnet. rock with arms. rock with more arms.” like obviously i love generation one because i’m a dumb stupid pokémon fanboy who plays all the new games even tho it feels like they’re holding my hand the whole way through, and i love the series as a whole even if i feel like it’s doing to much to be accessible to newborn babies, i’m just saying that criticizing gen 5 designs as terrible and basic while holding them up to gen 1 as the gold standard of pokémon designs is... really fucking dumb. like,, unbelievably dumb.
@Rad af dix d you read the comment? They said gen 5 took simple designs of gen 1 and gave them more depth than "it's just a wild animal but with a different colour"
@Rad af there's no way to objectively say how good a design is, but imo it's how many origins it can pull off while feeling like one solid design or how well it represents a specific thing. I'll admit that audino is kinda worse than chansey and that zubat was a pretty ok design with the whole "being deaf but using its ears", but woobat is based off a completely different bat. It's not better nor worse, it's different. And you can't tell me that the ratata line, which is literally a purple rat and an orange fat rat, are better than the patrat line design-wise, no matter personal preference
old pokemon:seel and goldeen
new pokemom:actually cool stuff with only uncool pokemon being boreos(it is just a less unique counterpart to the other two)
Blooper Woobat is better than Zubat. But Crobat is better than Swoobat. But Crobat is Gen 2 and Swoobat is better than Golbat. Victini is adorable and the mythicals are all interesting in their own right.
I feel pokemon designs aren't an argument. Since each generation has highs and lows. Like we have stellar design in pokemon like Tyranitar, Lugia, Umbreon, but we also have Wobuffet and Stantler introduced at the same time. Aesthetic design of the creature are super subjective and imo shouldn't be brought up as a contentious point for a decision on a region. Gen 5 is special because of the brand new dex acting like a minor soft reset for the franchise to rope in a new generation, BUT this generation has more pokemon than Gen 1; so there should be at least 6 pokemon you like and will be happy to adventure with.
Also Garbodor Completes The "Pollution Trio"
Wobuffet is lit, don’t call him garbage smh
Reuben from Stitch I like a male Wobufett but the lipstick on the female is uglier than Jynx...
Also Gen 4 has some really bad designs that are just some of the worst in the entire series. Also Arceus is “llama Jesus”. Regigigas is one of the most useless characters in the main series games. Darkrai is cool but it’s also has one of the most unfair move pools if you are unlucky enough to battle one without anything to counter it with. Some of the worst shinies are from Gen 4. Garchomp is hard to tell even by Pokémon fans if it’s shiny without a side by side comparison.
@@princesspikachu3915 Most people like Gen 4 designs... so what's your point? You trashing Gen 4's designs won't change the general consensus that most people don't like Gen 5's Pokemon designs.
The trailer in the end made me remember how I went from "I can't wait to play SwSh" to "God I hate Pokemon now"
Darumaka does the daruma doll thing in his animation. It’s supposed to be impossible to knock over, and he retracts his arms and legs, swings back and forth, which in my opinon isn’t «horrendously excecuted». Also, the argument is never completed, and gives it to the player instead. Also also, the more interesting villain was N, not Ghetsis, and N’s backstory was explained to some extent at the end of the game, and was fully explained in the post-game.
I feel like the fact that everyone panned Gen 5 for a period, is the reason there’s so much stagnation in the series. Gamefreak listened, somehow, and now we’re stuck in a constant loop of introducing new gimmicks that get cut a game later.
I don't really have video equipment and stuff and I don't know how to edit but if I could, I would make a big video discussing how the early criticism of gen 5 and low sales of BW2 caused pokemon to change for the worse.
Donald J Gump Official If I could like this 1000 times I would. If Gen 5 wasn’t the lowest selling Generation of Pokémon I honestly don’t think we’d be in this predicament.
I always hear gen 5 getting critism for lack of older pokemon but gen 2 never get criticize for there lack of new pokemon at the time
@@suru7064 What do you mean, I guess there is few new Pokemon sure, but they were still there (as early as getting your starter), while Gen 5 no old Pokemon can be found until the post-game.
@@suru7064 omissions Jefferson McCall brunch usually otherworldliness feedback
"there is nothing in the intro that shows that N is like a king"
DUDE He is literally being crowned in the intro
Huh? Where does this quote supposedly come from?
"Aside from the opening cutscene on the homescreen which most players just skip in the first 2 seconds anyway, there's been no reference whatsoever to Team Plasma having a monarchy for whatever reason, or having a king."
That's a direct quote from me at 16:40
Fudj sorry you are correct, I was half listening and it just caught my attention.
@@NocturnalFudj I mean, even if it's a cutscene on the homescreen, that doesn't mean it holds any less significance. Does that mean that every game with skippable cutscenes has lore that isn't valid because you can skip those cutscenes? No. If someone skipped out on that cutscene and missed that bit of lore, that's their fault, not the game's. Just how if someone skips all the cutscenes of a game and miss out on the lore in it, that's their fault, not the game's. The position of the lore doesn't matter. If you miss it, you miss it, and that's a fault of your own, not the developer's. *Matter fact*, it's not even just Pokemon that uses intro cutscenes to establish what's going on in the game. LOADS of games have done it. It's pretty much an accepted thing that games can give lore in the opening scene before you even play the game, and critiquing this just makes it seem like you're reaching for additional invalid reasons to dislike the game, rather than taking the time to point out a legitimate flaw.
Darion Logan I feel like if it’s lore that’s specifically relevant to understanding the story and characters in it, it shouldn’t be skippable then. Like yeah the players should be held accountable to some extent but it’s still an odd/stupid decision
@@NocturnalFudj apart from the time they tell you N is the king of team plasma, they never tell you N is the king of team plasma? got it
Simisear is feeling a mixture of Guilt and Gratitude, like when you receive the best gift you could get from someone after just buying it for yourself the other day.
As a massive Gen 5 lover, i can still appreciate and understand your criticism. Still not as bad as Alola.
Even then, alola is great. Theres not really a terrible gen. (I've never played kalos)
@@le1660 Alola is a cool game with some neat concepts, i just found it too hand-holdy and dialogue filled for my taste. I personally thought the Kalos games were nice, I liked a lot of the Pokémon they introduced!
@@yearninganimal that's fair. Alola did hold your hand
I dunno, the “king” thing always had quite a bit of weight to me. They make the knight theme extremely obvious, even in the opening cutscene thing. There’s a throne, N gets crowned, Team Plasma looks like knights, their symbol is a shield, Ghetsis has funny tower wall things on his outfit, they _literally have a castle._
B2W2 somewhat helps the moral issues. N has no idea what to believe, and BW protagonist is missing due to heading out to look for N.
I’ve always felt the plot of BW/B2W2 were much better than the previous games, at least once you read really deep into the story.
Also, on another note, N’s full name is Natural Harmonia Gropius.
He never brings up Black and White 2, and I'm so confused about that. Like the sequel would obviously help out with a lot of his thoughts.
@@princiedv that's because he's gonna make a separate video on them (b2w2) later this week. stay tuned.
@@TrigramThunder ouuu, I can't wait.
I don't really like black and white 2 really clears up the moral issues all that much
@@rocketeer9183 imo it does, because of how ex-team plasma is handled, and how they're basically animals rights activists that are actually helping Pokemon in bad situations now, rather than that side of the coin be complete filled by the evil team alone. Given that Pokemon are designed to want to battle for fun and competition, you can't clear it up more than that tbh
I see your viewpoint and as a lover of Gen V, I can understand your perspective perfectly. The reason a lot of people disliked it was because it didn't have the same very happy vibe of the other games. The plot asked a serious question, the music was not always upbeat but amazing in a way that made us feel a strong sense of nostalgia. The games really stuck out and while I understand that to be why a lot of people didn't like them, they're my favorite for that reason precisely.
In this way, I felt like the Pokemon series was finally maturing at that poiny. It felt like it had the beginnings of being more mature and (despite not fully commiting to their imposing question of Pokemon ownership morality), actually felt like something you'd see from a young adult shonen anime. It had its experiment with trying to do something different and mature with it's story that wasn't so typical preteen good vs evil storytelling.
But since people didn't like it, it was forever shut down and forced pokemon back into it's rut that it has had for the majority of this decade: don't do anything drastic or challenging (gameplay or story-wise).
How? His perspective makes no sense and he contradicts himself a lot
@@SirDibble25 What's wrong with the story in black and white
@@Puggers22 The video addresses it. The 'serious argument' the game presents is executed without any grays. The liberation perspective is never addressed, the game just goes "oh, it was just the bad guys who thought that, nevermind" and renders the entire development of the story meaningless. N ends up thinking he's wrong bc u beat him at a pokemon battle and bc his 'dad' was Evil. Any opinions regarding the story are subjective of course, but I personally find gen 1 and 2s story more mature, if basically non existent.
@@FoziVideos Yeah, I can understand why maybe some people don't like the plot
Bro, did you even pay attention to the plot, or even the Pokemon designs? This video seems made just to get a reaction as gen 5 spikes in popularity as people realize how good it is
Say what you want about it they will never make a game this good again
they were never good imo
16:35 alright if I need to criticize *one* part it's this one.
1st : the intro shows him being crowned and if you skip it it's your fault. I watched it when I first played the game, it's easy.
2nd: even without the whole knight thing that's talked about in the pinned comment. King=ruler=leader it's completly fine unless you want to overthink it.
It's ironic. Everyone, myself included, loves gen 5 in retrospect even though you could technically say they were the first games that kicked off a number of trappings that later games have (linearity, shoving characters in your face often, no battle frontier or contests, long conversations, that sort of stuff.)
I think people love it now because something worse came after. Gen 5 honestly should still be considered the black sheep of the franchise for all the weird things it did.
However, i think what made people come around is how much the gen did on its own. Black and White 1 had a story built around one of pokemons primary controversies and left the door open for a sequel that actually did happen. Black and White 2 has so much actual content that for once felt like pokemon was on par with the present (for 2012)
Also I honestly like the gen 5 roster more than gen 1. I feel the opposite of you that I think the gen 5 pokemon have MORE personality.
Gen 5 felt more unique because all the Pokémon in the Unova dex were new so it had a similar appeal to playing through Gen 1 again. In other gens you pretty much always knew you'd encounter Zubats and Geodudes in caves or Magikarp when fishing but gen 5 had none of the old mons appear until post game. Some may have disliked it for this same reason if you couldn't take your favourite Pokémon with you from a previous gen but I honestly liked that every mon was new and it made the picks for my team a lot more important since I had no prior knowledge of who was reliable for defence, coverage, HM's etc
Excadrill became a big favourite of mine as a new addition as he helped my team out a lot because of his typing and crazy attack stat.
Gen 5 doesn't deserve to be the black sheep of the franchise what are you talking about, objectively gen 5 is the best; finally we had a great story, tons of new pokemon, solid region, etc. Personally I don't want another game like gen 4 slowest region, almost no story and a few new pokemon, i don't want neither a gen 6 shitty story and ez clap game
@@sebamg4391 What I mean is the way people reacted to gen 5. It's the "black sheep" for what many, even now, consider weird and out there pokemon designs; the map is a circle when previous regions had more twists in map design; the story was more involved than ever so you the player were strung along more often instead of letting you do things at your own pace; and even team plasma were blatant hypocrites using pokemon where their motif was "battles bad, liberation good."
On the surface, these would make gen 5 seem bad, but really, it's as well put together as every game before it. The story addressed the world itself, even the most popular RPGs often stop you with a text wall/cutscene, routes had optional areas and even full caves the story never mentions, and while the roster looks weird, to be honest, absurdity is the lifeblood of RPGs.
When I mean it should still be the black sheep, I mean the games after gen 5 should've been better, but instead got gradually worse with every passing installment. You become attached to things you initially hated when something worse comes along. The fact that gen 5 is so loved now is a byproduct of pokemons decline in quality.
Funny enough, I always loved gen 5 and never understood the hate, so seeing everyone come around almost feels like a one giant "I told you so" moment.
guess you could say it was the... black and white sheep... im not sorry ✌️
I mean, nostalgia is the answer the all the backlash the video is getting. People who grew up on the game are young adults now and they have fond memories of it as kids. Go back and play the game now, and the story really is unfocused as this video claims. Gen 6 in a few years will get the same treatment 5 is getting now. I was around for the release of Gen 5 as a late teenager and definitely remember the negative reception to many aspects of this game. I cant say the same thing for the games I grew up with as a kid, because when you are a kid, you dont care as much, and any Pokemon game is generally amazing because the formula is that good. Years from now, Sword/Shield will be defended... I shudder at the thought.
Gen 5 is still my favourite to this day
ngl volcarona looks fire, how could you not have mentioned it in the good Pokemon designs
The 'joke' of Black and White's plot is that the morality of the topics it raises are black and white, and everything else is obfuscation. Iris says it herself - 'taking people and Pokemon away from each other is bad! Hurting people and Pokemon is bad!'
They exist to undercut the supposed moral dilemma presented by giving a definitive answer (because the Pokemon company controls how the Pokemon world works and they want it to work in the way that causes the least moral ambiguity and supports the core concepts of the games).
I 100% agree. after recently replaying Black recently, i think the story would have been a lot more compelling and interesting if it left the main issue the game was centralized around more morally grey. If they left it up to the player to decide who was right or wrong (maybe via fighting Ghetsis OR Alder in the last big fight of the game depending on the players choice, idk) I think it would have made this games story deeper and more complex, however maybe a bit hard to understand for the target audience. I personally think the story we were given was okay, but there was a lot of untapped potential to really take this idea of truth or ideals over the treatment, capture, and battling of pokemon.
I personally think the way they handled it was fine enough. Even tho the player is a good trainer in the eyes of the story, that does not mean that everyone is a good trainer. It has kind of a "humanity is unpredictable"-message where the answer is kinda blurry. Should everyone who is a good trainer give up their pokemon to help take away the power from people who are not as nice or should they continue and try to make the world a better place by actively trying.
I think it leaves u to wonder at the end of it, but the huge reality was that humans would be enslaved by whoever had Pokémon on their side. Ghetsis would have used N to control the whole world. So, while N’s idea was never evil, it was the corruption of others that spoiled his ideal and made him understand that his reality was folly. Bc human greed would ruin his plan of a peaceful world between humans and Pokémon without pokeballs
@@ryanstaiger1712 I don't want to get super political about this, but this all actually sounds really similar to the whole "gun laws" debate when you think about it...which I suppose is kind of thematically fitting given where Unova is based on. Whether you think gun restrictions are good or not is up to you, but it is interesting that they'd make a parallel like that (even if unintentionally) in a Pokemon game, especially given X and Y straight-up confirm that Pokemon were used as weapons of war.
Fighting Thunder it definitely parallels corruption of power in human history and the way people will lie to take complete control
"man i hate these legendaries who i obliviously don't know are based on another culture's gods"
"the exception is when i don't understand because the design is based on another culture"
pick one please
precisely lol
The second one didn't count for the legendaries
There u go 'v'
I'm well aware that they're based on Japanese Gods, doesn't change the fact that they're literally palette swaps, people can reasonably come at me for any manner of things over this video but this is actually just putting words in my mouth and completely misrepresenting what I say
Same with Darumaka, which is another thing people are misinterpreting. I'm AWARE that it's based on a Daruma Doll and I'm saying that I don't think the design actually matches that intent very well
@@NocturnalFudj Well it isnt objectivly badly executed. They justed wanted To make a japenese doll look more pokemonesque. And he dosent look like a used tampon. That was just a joke to discredit the pokemon. Come on man. I never really liked that mon but he dosent deserve this. Its just a cute little devil-doll pokemon. I agree with most of your points but u were a bit harsh with that poor darumaka.
@@NocturnalFudj In your critique of the Genie Trio it also seems your completely oblivious to their differences. They each have different spine/tail, moustache, hair, horns, and typings. And this isn't even mentioning their other forms were Landorus isn't even bipedal anymore.
And although you may not be able to see Darumaka's connection in its design other people than you do definitely see it. And even then I must ask, if a Pokémon based on real life objects, animals, or phenomena is distant from its inspiration does that make its design inherently worse?
Also I find your arbitrary connection of the Genie Trio to the Lake Trio weird. In it you say 'at least the Lake Trio have different silhouettes'. This *really* confused me. Other than color/texture the only shape difference is in their heads/caps, whereas the Genie Trio have a larger aray of shapes and geometry to play around with [which I've already mentioned].
You're playing the victim. You're just hoping that people do not recognize that you called them 'cloud men'. You could've called them 'cloud kami' or directly inserted that you knew the reference but instead you used vague language and mislead your audience [that is assuming you're not now saying you know the reference for convenience]. We're not 'putting words in your mouth'. You DID call them 'cloud men' and showed absolutely no comprehension of the Kami Trio's cultural references.
Edit: They're not Japanese gods, they are kami. Mortals who suffer from bereavement and hunger who simply have magical powers, believed to exist by most Shinto doctrines.
Edit 2: You actually call them '[Insert Color] Man on Cloud' but my point still stands.
N is my favorite character in Pokémon, I can't even really explain why. He always just stuck with me for some reason.
Maybye he reminds you of nagito komaeda
@@ace1durago04 that he does :)
"Maybe I'm missing something"
Yup. Taking into account how most events were interpreted in the video and how the video's narrative expected the game to unravel itself and have its characters to behave, it doesn't seem it would be 'caught'. And after the part of using the initial cutscene as a point to the argument like "they can't foreshadow a part without laiding out _everything in one go_, linearly", it feels the game was never given a chance at all in the context of start-to-finish rather than the immediate reaction to an yet-incomplete context.
And while it's a bummer, it happens.
It feels like this guy rushed gen 5, and then decided to make a video based off his first run, this dude is brave tho
I agree if you take your time especially in black and white the story is very detailed and engaging. The second one was "worse" but I still loved both of them.
@@NamelessViking01 I was born in 92 and fire red was my first love and have played through all the generations and I have to say gen 5 is my favorite generation not only cuz of the amazing story and cool Pokemon but it got all my friends who stopped playing after gen 3 back into it and turned us all into little kids again
@@kyleparton4610 I think Gen 5 is the hidden gen because it seems like everyone got back into pokemon because of Gen 5, Its mu favorite gen and I played every single gen like you. Firered when I was 5 and played every game since and went back to red and blue. Pokemon is really amazing how many memories is built with it.
@@NamelessViking01 I meant to say red version but yeah same shit though lol
@@kyleparton4610 yeah lol
i wish I can agree with what you are saying, but with most of your criticisms I harshly disagree. These games imho felt so much more satisfying and better than X and Y or Sun and Moon.
I gotta replay these games, I remember playing through it the first time and really disliking it. Besides the story I didn't enjoy myself at all. I actually quit pokemon after I beat the main story I didn't touch pokemon again until earlier this year when I beat sun and moon.
The one and only My friend and I completely agree.
@@wibblemu9 same here
Agreed 100%. Personally I feel like Gen 5 is getting more love than ever right now because most people are realizing how good the games are compared to the newer generations.
I'd personally just like to point out that Gen 5 didnt receive any criticism when it comes to comparing it to the generations that followed like Gens 6-8. I think people compare it more to Gens 1-4. I didnt enjoy Gen 5 as a whole. I thought the story was good of course. I'd have to replay it to go more in depth. I think the designs at the time are largely why for me personally.
"Truth vs. ideals are not given any weight"
-Apparently missed the part about the story of the two brothers who forcibly split reshiram and zekrom to fit their own needs in which caused a war,
> One brother sought out peace by bringing people together (Ideals)
> The other brother felt he would have to fight for peace (Truth)
> The single dragon that had loved them both split itself into two < leaving behind an empty husk (Kyurem)
"N wouldn't act this way"
-He's obviously socially distant to humans. You got the point where he was raised by pokemon.
-I think you missed the part where he can actually literally talk to pokemon (Like yellow can in the manga) < this is why Ghetsis wanted him (You caught that he could, but it gives to this point) < Also no, this is well stated in game from other NPC's and talked about at length in B2/W2
-N wants to try and understand both sides, so he questions everything, he represents question itself as a living fusion of pokemon and human> giving further insight in towards blk2 and wht2 fusion item
-He never answers the question himself or gives you a real answer of any kind BECAUSE he best represents the question itself he's a tool more than a character.
-His ending isn't an answer, he's talking directly to the player, but this isn't the answer he believes in. He sees that you (the player) can get by on ideals. He isn't answering the question, he is stating a fact, this is why he also states he can't understand you completely.
For an older group! The perfect game is for everyone like Platinum or B2W2!
not really a lot of good arguments here, chief
"If the design is based of another culture then it's fine I can't recognise the concept"
literally, literally not even five minutes later:
"Lol duruma doll? lol wtf. lol"
I never said (after seeing what a Daruma Doll is) that I was confused by the fact that it IS supposed to be a Daruma Doll, I'm saying that I don't think the design represents that very well
@@NocturnalFudj umm that's a reach. Darumaka and darminitan have greatly resemblance to a daruma doll, especially darmanitan in zen mode. It's just blue to contrast that fiery red of rage form darminatan.
Smol Bacon he doesn’t have a problem with Darmanitan
@@andromeda0388 I'm just replying to him and saying that it does indeed look like a daruma doll
This comment reflects the video in my eyes, contradictions and very bold statements made with the lack of understanding.
Couldn't disagree more. The pace of Gen 5 was better than Gen 4, music felt more upbeat, plot for a Pokémon game was better than usual, and I liked most of the new designs introduced. I will agree that having Pokémon not evolve until level 59 is stupid and the starters for Gen 5 don't look great. Past Gen 5 I didn't find much to like about Pokémon. X & Y were boring to me and Sun/Moon felt very linear despite the theme of exploring an island. Haven't even bothered with Sword/Shield because I doubt they would offer that same feeling of exploration that Gen 1-5 had.
got back into pokemon in gen 5 and feel that same as you about the latter games
Gen 5 and 4 were stuff. I would count gen 3 but only one good game was in that gen and that was emerald.
sword and shield were terrible tbh
@@walterclements2892 yeah, there Is none who Will say that sword AND shield are good.
but samurott looks nice
I feel impartial to this video. 50/50.
I am glad that you aren’t spoon feeding the rhetoric with your video that this generation was utter garbage, because even you said so yourself, your cited views are mostly subjective and that’s true. It wasn’t a perfect game by any means either.
I actually loved gen 5 and it’s one of my favourites alongside the HGSS remake gen-4 dex adaptation. (Platnium is also up there but it’s also a slow game, it has its negatives)
The beginning of your video was very ineffective to your whole purpose of the video. Yeah shitting on weird and dumb designs is fine but in hindsight, doesn’t every generation have that issue? There will be good and bad Pokemon subjective and objective wise, in every game. It could have been structured better.
Your tangent about the designs which, of course there is a good chunk of the crowd which actually would, (including me), agree with you on some fronts. Especially Siglyph. Dear god. I had to agree.
However a lot of your comments are sort of ejecting this POV which shows to me that, you didn’t, *really* pay attention while playing the game. N’s past? There’s. A shit ton of hints and lore drops within the story, hell. The VERY FIRST cutscene you see in the game is when you boot up the game for the first time and let it play. You get flashbacks to N‘s past and crowning, with the Seven Sages included.
You DO get a conclusion with N’s story. He realises what he was following was a white lie and a mental veil collapsed over his moral judgement. He’s at a constant conflict with his bonds with Pokemon including the fact he somehow can communicate with them, speak to them, *understand them,* while Ghetsis used him as a scapegoat symbol to run Team Plasma.
Team Plasma (although I will agree with you to SOME EXTENT, that the moral spoon feeding of them being strictly seen as the bad guys), was... still portrayed as the villains very well, in my opinion. They’re literally the PETA of the Pokemon universe if you take a second to think. They’re the ones causing what and if not MORE of what they claim that they’re trying to free Pokemon from; liberate and save Pokemon.
THAT is why they were painted as the villains, because they were doing the exact same thing they claim to fight against, if not WORSE, than what they claimed the average day trainer is guilty for.
For the record, the majority of fan base seems to really love the musical score in this generation. I also love it too. It’s not my favorite set of music in a game of Pokemon of course but... yeah, those are mostly my main arguments and critique to your video. Good job at it though! Definitely think it was a very short sighted scope you were looking through in some parts.
Really i think the biggest missed opportunity with Plasma was, if nothing else keeping some kind of aura of suspense when it came to their ethics. Because when you first see them they're sort of this weird cult making a strange yet professional and PEACEFUL demonstration.
...Then within an hour of gameplay, We see YEP these guys are evil and morally bankrupt. The ideas are interesting, the outfits are neat, the theme is cool but even within the game itself, ignoring marketing that WILL tell you they're the bad guys... the story's narrative takes no time to try and pretend who they really are.
You could say the game is very BLACK AND WHITE about it...
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One of the problems with Black & White is that the early game is loaded with repeated Pokémon at the beginning. It feels like you face the same mons, i.e. Patrat, Lillipup, Monkey Trio, Pidove, Purrloin etc over and over again. You may say that gen 1 did this, but I felt that gen 1 threw in some variety, such as Brock with Onix and Geodude and Misty with Staryu and Starmie versus the restaurant trio with Lillipup and a Monkey and then Lenora with Herdier and Watchog. And then, you Viridian forest and Mt. Moon to add different mons to add to the common mons of Pidgey and Rattata along with the different mon in route 22. You don't really get other mons until Pinwheel forest, and it feels like a slow trickle at best. The game developers really shouldn't have held a lot of Pokémon with high levels. I guess they felt that keeping people engaged for a postgame after a generation that had Platinum (the ultimate Pokémon game) and the gen II remakes that have a second region.
The game is arguably paced the best even with the tedium of facing the same mons the early game. Though, that's mainly because it has to stick to a script. The later games fall into this pacing too (haven't played B2W2 + Ultra Sun/Moon), but they have sections that feel long and short throughout.
Im just happy you specifically mentioned galvantula as a well designed pokemon
Only tarantula I ain't scared of
@@ecota8150 Hell, I have a phobia of spiders and Galvantula is one of my favorite Unova Pokémon.
I haven't played pokemon nearly as consistent but galavantula was a pokemon I just had to have. Loved ariados even though I hate spiders.
Joltik is the cutest thing.
"Is this ever explained in-game?" Did you not watch a walkthrough before making this? Also I've always thought that Ghetsis' "Big reveal" was directed at N, Ghetsis is literally talking to him in the scene you showed.
[serious] bw is my first pokemon game I ever completed I didn't know that ghetsis will turnout to be a villain.
So he said he had complicated feelings on BW...
His feelings aren't complicated they're almost all entirely negative.
hearing a british man talk about pokemon for 40 min is a nice thing to have on in the background while playing some minecraft
I hear a lot of the same arguments for people not liking BW (I personally enjoyed most of the pokemon designs, story and even the grind), but BW2 (the underdog) is almost certainly the best pokemon game, objectively.
Starwing30 I agree
Starwing30 double agree
nah bro. BW is much much better than BW2. BW2 was great but BW was like 3 steps above great. it was the real pinnacle. Given a choice i'd obviously rather play both but if I absolutely had to play only one of them then BW is definitely a much better standalone adventure than BW2. You can only really appreciate the BW2 story after having explored the previous Unova from 2 years earlier and done all your heroic feats. Nate/Rosa will never be as much of an iconic hero as Hilda/Hilbert were. They're the Gold to their Red.
@@TrigramThunder I felt like BW2 built on what made BW great, and fixed/improved upon things from those games. New areas and gym redesigns were excellent, PWT is arguably the best postgame facility to exist, and Pokedex selection felt more natural.
Francisco Manuel Sánchez Rubio B2/W2 literally made the region bigger, gave us a more thought out emotional story (catching N’s Pokémon really tugs the heart strings), and the most post-game content to date. I don’t think it’s “the best game” but it does objectively give you more bang for your buck than the first installments
kinda irrelevant, but
General opinions I've heard:
gen 1: outdated
gen 2: n/a
gen 3: too much water
gen 4: too slow
gen 5: garbage and ice cream
gen 6: too easy
gen 7: too much story
gen 8: twice the price for half the game.
lemme give you an opinion on gen 2: pretty good but technology held it back in the execution department. Also, the kanto part is super easy.
HeartGold/SoulSilver on the other hand, probably the best games in the franchise IMO.
Lol pokemon fans really hate pokemon games don't they
The Human 2cs well not really haye but more like we understand theyre bad and could be much better
Giovanny Santos I think it’s more of (up until like gen 7 and beyond anyways) everyone is so caught up in what their “perfect” Pokémon game would be that they will rip other generations apart in order to prove that x generation is the best.
imo gen 2 would have made so much more sense if it was part of the original games. It perfectly fits in with the Kanto games, so much so that when you look at it on its own you feel like "damn, this is like looking at a cake with a slice missing"
Gen 5 was considered as a reboot by game freak and some of the new pokemon were actually counterparts for older pokemon which explains why there are pokemon like woobat, timber, and rogenrolla.
Just binged your Pokemon trilogy and here are some thoughts about them overall:
I found your Sun/Moon review somewhat fetching. While I find more objective criticisms to be a better hallmark on reviewed items, I think your blend of humor and subjective criticisms welcome, especially considering this was how I was introduced to your channel. You have a lot of good reasons that were often not explored to a fully detailed degree (i.e. HM changes and Alolan forms among others) and it left me hanging a little, but the fact that you brought up these arguments as well as ones not normally explored in reviews was considerably fine. As I don't think I'll be able to find that 100% objective review of Pokemon games, I did find your take on Sun/Moon closer to a fair judgment (as opposed to other reviews).
Your X/Y retrospective was an interesting view. While I found the humor to be staggered in the first half, I think you found better ground in the second half (with less humor) being that there was structure and a clear thesis. That X/Y are better games looking back after Sun/Moon grounded your overall criticism and while I believe the positives were explored more and a bit more subjective compared to how you viewed the negatives of X/Y, the structure of your video was well crafted overall. (You do say "feels like an adventure" a lot in that video... not a criticism but it helps not to be repetitive)
This Black/White review suffers from the structure you laid out in your previous reviews. Mentioning you had no clear structure for this video kind of saves you but those words are taken back when you also mention your previous videos need be seen to better fully understand concepts in this video. And after finishing the review, you do mention your "thesis(?)" at the end. The first part, criticizing design and story from a subjective viewpoint, is not the strong foundation you normally set with your previous Pokemon reviews. You seem well acknowledged of this, and I commend you for sticking to that. However, the first half of this video have only been subjective arguments. I think the line you say about respecting these games comes closer to any sort of objective criticism, and that I appreciate. It sounds like you were a victim of hype with these games, which is a shame, but I understand how that bogs down anything. But at the end of the day, my intrigue for this video is bogged down by a weak/lack of structure and heavy focus on subjective arguments.
That being said, I respect your videos for the most part. As i wish you had more time to write a review for Black/White, I look forward to watching your other content. I hope this channel continues to grow and hopefully you set a strong precedent for yourself apart from other UA-camrs who simply talk about opinions, which is "okay" but isn't universal (and thereby strong). I like your cheeky attitude and I await to see you blend it with constructive writing in future videos. If I may suggest a channel, implantgames, he reviews games on an objective level. His writing structure and thesis layout have been refreshing, and he separates opinion from subjective material quite well. Anyway, I hope you have a nice day.
Didn’t he specifically say that you don’t need to watch his other videos to fully understand this one?
Oh wait this was 7 months ago never mind
Simisear is funny, not every Pokémon needs to be Charizard
Finally lol i found simisear was made to be a funny pokemon,but apparently everyone only wants cool pokemon
I'm okay with funny Pokemon.
But simisear (but more the water counterpart) looks just...gross.
But they both ass pokemon
Dasani The EGirl I can understand simisear, but charizard?
I'm sorry, but when the last generation already introduced a fire monkey that is not only great in competitive and amazing in design, it's gonna be hard for the newer, ABSOLUTELY INFERIOR copy to make up for it.
For me, Black and White was just something kinda special that I never really had from a pokemon game before. So many tracks in the game just bring me this nostalgia like no other pokemon game really did. My first game was Silver, handed down from my uncle and I very much love Silver. Though, Black just had this very odd thing to me. Everyone I knew at the time went for White just because they thought Zekrom was cool looking and what not and called me weird for liking Reshiram. It almost swayed me from getting Black over White, but I chose Black anyway just because I felt like I should of picked what I believed in. Not even knowing the story of the game beforehand, that really sent me for a loop as the whole game was about Truth vs Ideals. I replayed it about a year ago and did realized just how romanticized I had made it thinking it was this absolute master of creation. Though, I couldnt help just feel all giddy with almost everything. Nothing will ever top the feeling of sitting at my Karate sleepover with 6 of my friends in our own training mat forts all using the weird walkie talkie system as we watched a movie, suddenly bursting out into trash talk and throwing down on each other. Or how Black and White was my first competitive experience with Pokemon itself, with me reaching that peak early oras, late XY era. Black and White will always be the game I remember the most clearly, as I would get kinda upset with them saying the Pokemon would like it more being free. I even came up with the whole rationale of Police Dogs and how while they do enjoy work less than being free, they enjoy being with their masters more than anything.
I feel bad for the creator, he has to deal with Gen 5 fans who see nothing wrong with the Gen
This video didn't last well, basically miss a few points too
Complains about Cloud trio's designs...
Looks at Lake trio from sinnoh... yea I dont see much of a difference here.
Ah yes, yellow Mew, blue Mew and pink Mew. They're so cool. I like their alternative forms which make them more distinctive as well... Wait...
Boi i shit you not, all i remember about the lake trio is their names end with "xie". The name i clearly remember was Uxie and im not even sure which color that one is... i cleared gen 4 three times with all legendaries caught...
@@azekiel2114 Only Uxie ends with xie, the other ones are Mesprit and Azelf. Only know the names though, cant even remember their color XD
@@aguma3281 See i didnt even know that lmao
But the thing is...the lake trio look like mew, which is a Pokémon. The cloud trio look like...men on clouds...uh uh not Pokémon
I thought sigilyph looked cool
same and it is. In our opinion
The dude said he hated darumaka and I was gonna cry because it’s so damn cute, but I’m gonna let that slide and then he goes and disses my boy sigilyph 😭
I remember starting over 3 Nuzlockes because I wanted sigilyph so bad
Sigilyph is defo one of my least liked of all time. Heres the beauty of disagreeing based on taste. Everyone likes different things for sometimes random reasons. I really like ariados’ design for example, one many people dont bother to think about haha. Its all gucci to like and dislike different things ^^
@@idrissb9742 when I was young playing the bw games sigilyph creeped me out lol but now I find it fascinating. But yeah I agree with you, everyone likes something someone dislikes and vice versa, a lot of people hate druddigon but I think his colorful, gargoyle, silly-looking, inanimate concept is really cool lol
Seriously not understanding DARUMAKA is a DARUMAKA doll. Not everything has to be familiar to you to be a good or general concept. Haxorus is based on a classic Kaiju monster. Like 90% of the gen 5 dex are references to slightly obscure, but still recognizable
the confusing thing abt this is literally 20 seconds prior he said 'its an exception if they're from another culture' and doesn't realise its a darumaka doll, and continues to judge once he realises lmao. e.g. gothitelle has clear lolita references, but ofc he wouldnt see that..
As someone whose favourite gen is gen 5, this video was refreshing. It was nice to hear an honest, mature opinion on why gen 5 was bad. The people I know personally who don't like gen 5 are convinced that it was the 'worst one', and cite Trubbish and Vanillite almost exclusively. That being said, you admitted in this video that this is all your opinion, and are willing to say what BW did well. While I still really like Unova, I understand your reasoning for why you personally didn't like it, and you even pointed out some faults I didn't even notice (such as N saying he's king).
That being said, just as you claim there's several small little things about gen 5 that make you not like it, there's a bunch of small things about gen 5 that make me like it so much. My first one would be N's text's speed. In the first scene with N, Cheren comments on how fast he talks. Well, his dialogue actually DOES move faster than anyone else's. If you have the text speed set to slow or medium, his moves at fast, and if you have it set to fast, his moves at a 4th, otherwise-unreachable speed that's a step up from fast. Most don't notice it (I didn't on my first playthrough), but it shows that GF were paying attention to detail with this game.
Continuing with N, his full name Natural Harmonia Gropius, is, if I'm not mistaken, a name for the major scale (correct me if I'm wrong music whizzes). Ghetsis' Japanese name, meanwhile, is G-cis, a name for the tritone. For those of you without musical knowledge, the major scale is a very pretty, majestic, heroic-sounding scale, while the tritone is an ugly, demented-sounding interval. I believe the tritone is used in alarms and sirens, if that helps you imagine it. On top of that, Ghetsis' battle theme consists almost entirely of tritones. I'm sure there's instances of this elsewhere in Pokemon, such as how the admins of Team Galactic seem to have an outer space theme going on with their names, but this was the one for me personally that I learned about and thought was really cool and awesome.
I realize I'm going on about N a little bit. I swear this is my last point about him. You say N is enigmatic and hard to understand. I see why you don't like that. However, with that and the thing I mentioned earlier about his fast talking, as well as other details such as his upbringing and the fact that he has a void cube on him at all times, he gives me awkward introvert vibes. Hell, I even thought this when I first played Black as a kid, because of how he starts his first conversation with the player by saying their Pokemon was speaking. Now, that being said, I was the one who was considered the 'weird kid' by my classmates during school, and so it's nice to see someone who fits that stereotype get recognized as a hero by a Legendary Pokemon, instead of becoming a scientist or some misanthrope who wants to 'exact revenge' or whatever.
There's more little tidbits about N and Ghetsis that I really like, but I won't go over them because there's other stuff about gen 5 that I really like. I think Alder's neat because of his outlook and his backstory of having lost his partner Pokemon, a feeling that I'm sure those of us who've lost treasured game copies before can relate to. Cheren, as you have explained, is pretty damn awesome. I like how different Opelucid City is between Black and White, to relate to what Reshiram and Zekrom stand for (the same can be said for Route 4, as well as Black City/White Forest). This was the first gen where TMs were reusable. Ghetsis is left-handed, his right hand is only ever revealed during the crowning scene with N, and even then, it's shadowed. Reshiram and Zekrom had the same amount of weaknesses until Fairy was introduced. B2W2 are actual sequels, rather than remakes. I really like the shtick Lacunosa town has going on, though admittedly it's expanded on a lot more in B2W2. The list goes on.
So, seeing as this is all opinion, I understand and reiterate that I see your point of view and am not trying to 'convert' you or any nonsense like that. I just want you to understand why I personally like gen 5 more than any other. Do I think it's objectively the best? No. But I do really like it, nonetheless. And as N says, it's by accepting different ideas that we create positive change, not by rejecting them.
How are you gonna roast the genies when previous designs were just "colored birds", "colored dogs", "colored fairies", "guy with four arms", etc
At least the dogs and the fairies act as plot devices somehow. Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus have little to no incidence on the story. They're just... There. You might even miss them if you don't feel like going back to route 7. Granted, the Birds are pretty useless too.
Regarding their design, they're based on Asura statues and some kamis, which is a pretty japanese thing that doesn't make much sense if you don't know about it. The Legendary Musketeers' theme is much easier to grasp.
DeKu Skrub the problem is that all 3 have more or less the same design in their Incarnate form. Over time I’ve warned up to them a little more, I do like the more subtle differences and their Therian form designs, but the absolute sameness of them was totally jarring and unexciting when I first saw them, especially for legendaries. I also think it’s fair to let Gen I off the hook a little bit because it was the first one after all, much before Pokemon has a solidified identity and design direction. Some of those were designed as pixel art before they were ever drawn out by Sugimori so it’s not exactly a fair comparison.
Tapir DeBain It felt a lot more stupid if you actually knew what they were supposed to be. It’s the first mainline Pokémon game not set in a Japan based place and they go with the fucking wind and thunder gods.
Moltres is a rubber chicken with fire attached to its wings
I'll say what I said in another comment. Yes, the inspiration for the designs of Gen I are bland, but the designs work because they look like classic designs and still look good. The problem with Gen V is, yes, there is lore behind the Pokemon, but design wise most of them look unappealing. That's not to say I don't like the designs, but a majority of people don't like the designs, and if a majority of people don't like them, then the general consensus will be that most of the designs don't look good.
I fell asleep to this lmao
I did the same with gen 4, I remember being excited to go on holiday so I could keep going to an internet cafe and google the pokemon from the cards I had to see how to get them in the game
Simisear looks like it's been traumatized. The expression is one of deep concern while still trying to just hold it together.
aint that a mood
He's either stoned or on the brink of a mental breakdown
"is this backstory even explained ingame" yes, but parts of it in intro (no matter how much one discards it because "well most would just skip it", a budget went into that thing so it is counted as a part of the game that can explain story points through visual telling) and postgame and other parts (namely Ghetsis taking him in) expanded by the sequels.
N probably also said king instead of leader because he doesn't exactly have the most control over what they do or don't, since they're pulled away by Ghetsis (and co.) most of the time so N really just exists to hold the position. Granted he should've just stated he was high ranked in it and leave it at that but ehh technicalities plus he was kind of crowned so of course he'd use the actual term instead.
By the point you get to the end of the series and you face N at the castle, I don't think you're in a position to exactly remember that "oh yea what about this totally evil looking dude", so the fact Ghetsis shows up at all is surprising because all the other villains are the only ones showing up at the end, so you expect to be done after clash of the legendaries (and… the other members of your and N's teams… I guess lol).
Also N isn't the only member of Team Plasma who may still believe that Pokemon should be free. However the others are mainly nameless grunts and this is only established within the sequels, but it's kind of obvious this kind of organization would have a self-divide in the first place because so many of the grunts seem attached to their ideal instead of being complete idiots that serve as filler, again since none of them knew about Ghetsis's true intentions. A lot of BW's story flaws like that are addressed within the sequels like that as far as I know, and it is why I refer to gen 5 itself as having the best story, rather than BW alone. I'd also like to say that the endgame twist doesn't answer the question at all, because again N is left out as still having his mind set on this, and judging by the remaining genuine Plasma members in the sequel afterwards, it's more than likely he still believes in it but tries to answer it himself. So basically you're left with Ghetsis, a power-hungry villain that used a legit cause to his advantage, only for it to backfire on him because of N's and the protag's moral compasses leading the latter straight to Plasma HQ to ruin the plans (partially thanks to N's League interruption). As for the other characters telling you it's fine, I think they're just saying that to reassure themselves and their confidence, but are just so obviously as jumping the gun to an immediate conclusion that it's uncanny, which does still lead to ponder the question again in the long run, as the game didn't exactly intend to do so because Ghetsis was lying all along anyways and N who's supposed to be closer to the player in terms of pondering it, left to do exactly that afterwards and still doesn't answer it even when reappearing in the sequels.
As for "is there a point of view that has all the answers? Give it some thought." I think it's supposed to hint that not even Alder's sure, even when he himself is supposed to be the wisest character we know in the entire game. It's the sole line that says that and while he himself isn't pondering it (probably because he doesn't a point to), he's probably think to have people think about it, which is likely what gave an extra push for N to do so. I would say (T)Cheren is also still wondering about it but then again you can barely tell what anyone's thinking in this game (just like irl lol). The fact you analyze it like that kinda proves that you're giving in some thought even when it originally feels like you didn't and were just weirded out by taking it literally.
(I also get where you're coming from when it comes to not trusting the series with subtle storytelling, but I think gen 5's main games as a whole actively tried to do that, as it is the only time we see them go for an actually lesser straightforward plot and so it's easy to picture them trying to do one using all the ressources they can, rather than resorting to solely dialogue like previous games did)
I feel like the praise aren't exagerrating by calling it "the best", but I will not disagree it's kind of because all previous games had a very low standard when it comes to it, even gen 4. It's really only the "best" in that it was the only one where it felt like they tried to actually do something with it, rather than making it second to gameplay to the point where it feels cliché (looking at you gens 1, 2, 6 and 8). Frankly the fact that it brings up any moral compass unlike the others is what makes me more attached to it than even gen 4 (the one I started with). It's a game where they actively tried to put development effort and a lot of care in trying to get a message across, even if they weren't the best at it (because again they don't exactly have much writing experience considering all the past villains have mostly been clichéd up to this point), and I think it's something to definitely at least respect, because it wasn't something we were going to get out of Pokémon any time soon, especially with the negative feedback it got from people who were afraid of the shift. It's clear it was made with a lot of heart and just lacked experience. It had the focus and will to put it in the spotlight to make something actually new and interesting, but lacked experience in that regard.
You're right on the nose about the designs: they do take from the same concepts as known gen 1 ones, however it's more of a necessity to keep all the basics down pat so the focus on only the new Pokemon doesn't throw off TOO many people from a gameplay perspective. They're more contemporaries to gen 1's than they are trying to sell you off nostalgia of it. They're similar but different, similar so you can still recognize the basics of Pokemon, but different to actually make it a fresh experience which was the main point of the first games.
(I will disagree strongly on the XY plot, AND the excuse that they had to 3D model all the Pokémons since it was actually not up to Game Freak there as it was handled by Creatures, because I feel there was NOTHING memorable about it but that's a topic for the XY video that I will probably never see because my disdain for XY is gigantic)
I will admit Unova's map design is a bit odd and unnatural, but I think most of the memorable locations being cities kind of ties in pretty nicely with the US where outsiders only think of cities and towns when they think about it, which would also explain the unnatural shape of the routes because it feels like the way they're connected together is more artificial than natural, like it was built or arranged by the local people to make them possible to traverse in the first place, which would make sense with how it seems more generally advanced than regions like Kanto.
tl;dr I feel like the reception to BW was more what shaped latter games to be such drops in quality than BW itself did. A lot of people I've seen back then were afraid of the story and pokedex shifts and trashtalked the games, both before and even after playing them because of, like you said, the execution turning them off. However these games combined all the elements necessary for a great game and were pretty much the only ones to actually do that, and I feel it would've been a much better new starting point if people weren't so aggressive about it. I understand a lot of your issues with it are mainly subjective and opinion-based, so I'm not exactly the most mad I am about it (despite how much I typed in this very comment, I'm just dedicated lol). I even agree that some of the writing could've been better no matter how much I feel this game's story at least tried to do right (which's more than I can say any other mainline Pokemon story did). But with how it did what it did, it feels like the only mainline Pokémon games I can actually go back to remember when a series I used to love went a way I thought would've been amazing for the series in the long run. And this says a lot coming from someone who usually sticks to the spinoffs at best (though I'll admit PokéPark 2 warmed up to most of gen 5's Pokemon pretty nicely so I can't speak on designs without being biased). Gen 5 to me had the best recipe for Pokémon, and its feedback being so negative solely because of execution alone, gave the developpers the wrong idea and made them go back to the annoyingly safe and bland formula that it feels like everyone loves as soon as they exclude the very obvious gen 1 pandering, and frankly knowing this is what hurted me to the point where I flatout declared to not want anything to do with modern Pokémon, and my new end goal to make sure gen 5 is remembered as being the one time Pokémon felt like it was genuinely trying to improve and put love and care into their main products. I don't agree with a lot of the opinions of it on here, but I do know and understand that they're very subjective and are more due to the overall execution being lacking (which can be explained by it being the first, and so far only, time they tried to. Seriously, lacking execution in writing or coding a specific aspect is just as much due to lack of prior experience than the transition to full 3D taking an hefty amount of time thanks to having to do so many models in the first place. If not more. So if anything XY as a whole is less excusable than subjective flaws within BW, as far as I'm concerned).
tl;dr again: BW's reception shaped the downfall, otherwise BW would've been the breadcrumbs of an actual golden era (if people overlooked the admittedly faulty execution back then to praise what it tried to do back in the time… like they are now that neither Game Freak nor Nintendo seem to care anymore).
Extremmefan holy shit this was long
@@nurgio317 There's a lot to comment with such a big video tho. :p
(though more importantly I'm just that dedicated)
Like I've said before "I would love to love pokemon, but sadly I cannot love half-baked games" At least they're trying to do something about plot in recent games, but have even worse excecution than BW (which is not terrible, but isn't still like a normal RPG).
The last bit just made me realize something I've never thought about. If BW was a success, gamefreak would've been encouraged to follow the same formula they used in BW. Man, this just made me sad Cuz, as much as I enjoy the current games...imagine if they made the same impact as BW...it would be awesome...reason why I'm so excited and scared for BW remakes. The moment they take out aspects of what made BW my favourite would be the day I'd leave Pokemon games for good. And I have so many things I liked about BW.
The Team Plasma overworld theme is a really big problem that I never noticed until you pointed it out. I always focused on the one Grunt in the Dreamyard who basically says in as many words “yeah we’re bad cos we’re gonna abuse this Munna” or whatever, but I do wish Team Plasma were put forward a bit more ambiguously in that sense. Black and White remain some of my favourite Pokémon games ever but hey ho.
Oh btw, even as a 14 year old lad on Serebii, Darumaka’s origin was, like, immediately clear
Yeah I have no idea how he didn’t see the design
TaleOfTheToaster look who I found, love the Inazuma videos, keep it up
@@maru5259 and you keep watching quality content from Fudj my guy ;)
TaleOfTheToaster hell yeah! Actually, I’ve got a question for the Inazuma let’s plays
Maru fire away mate
the thing that made these games so memorable for me was the world, story and characters. all the characters felt like they had a personality and the story just felt so memorable especially in the end when all the gym leaders come to help with the castle coming out of the ground and no game has come close to it.
it always makes me so confused when people say the story was “too much” because this is the kind of story I WANT. it was mature and actually had a theme rather than “bad guy wants to blow up world somehow”
Lol these games have poorly explored themes and a poorly written narrative
Gens 3!4 and 7 all have better thematic exploration
This felt like more of a blogpost than an actual in-depth analysis of how gen 5 was the starting point of a directional change in the pokemon mainline series like the video's title alluded to. A much better title would be "My thoughts on Pokemon BW", since you spent closely to 10 mins talking about how much you hated the majority of the pokemon designs, even tough that has nothing to do with the objective quality of said game, something you yourself admitted.
I personally really like the twist at the end with Ghetsis. I think part of the intrigue of the story was the subtle difference between the two parts of Team Plasma, which were highlighted in the sequels. There is the group that was loyal to N and genuinely believes what they are doing is for the good of the world. And then there is those that side with Ghetsis , who use their moral platform to disguise their immoral acts.
bro what did sigilyph do to you :(
Edit: N's backstory is explained if you talk to concordia and anthea in N's castle near the end of the game. You also get hints of N's creepy past in N's room. Either way nice video.
Also, in the sequel a good amount of loose ends are tied up from the original games.
The reason why N is the "king of team plasma" is because they are a team that is attempting to liberate pokemon, the equivalent of that world to weapons, putting a world in an older time, a MEDIEVAL time. The reason why a Monarchy is used in the team is because most of team plasma does in fact feel that desire to liberate pokemon, not just steal them away for power (hence why in Black and White 2 the old team plasma is still wearing their medieval clothes while Neo-Plasma is using regular thief like clothes) and by having a King to rule them, then there would be less conflict than if there was no king to begin with. By having N be the king Ghetsis could also rule by being the king's "advisor" while actually manipulating him in order to mantain power over the region without being attacked directly. N is a likable guy who'se role is to confuse you by being the one guy who actually makes you wonder about the situation presented by team plasma and by being a truly decent rival that you connect with (he does not share your opinion but he is respectful of it and was sadly just being used by a greedy man that wanted world domination). After the realization that he was being manipulated N disappears in a personal journey to understand if what he believes is in fact good or not.
Hey, I just wanted say some things about the video, and you can just disregard what I’m saying if you want because I don’t know how to make vids. But, anyways, I feel like a lot of your criticisms are valid, and that’s coming from someone who’s first ever Pokémon games were Black and White. However, I believe you came off a bit harsh. It seemed like you were just constantly bashing almost every aspect of the game, and I think this is why a lot of people are being defensive of the game in the comments. I can’t say that I myself agree with the points you make in the video, and that’s probably because these were my first games. I can say that I understand why you may have a problem with the game, and I can’t say that it really offends me, but you came off like you were just hating on the game because it was different. I believe maybe you should have interjected points of praise in between the criticisms. Anyways, sorry for the long comment, it is a great video, and I can tell you put a lot of effort into it, and I can still respect as a person because you have taste and dislike Sun and Moon, and, more importantly, the The Last Jedi. god I hate that movie
I was ready to give a dislike until right at the end you adressed the main point about your whole commentary that was irking me: that the vast majority of your criticism is subjective. The only point I'm going to give you as objective is that spoonfeeding the answer to the moral debate undermines the message, but it still does not take away from the rest of the writing, and I think the presentation and dialogue is still superb and one of the game's strong points. Well, that, and maybe the fact that the late evolutions effectively lock some of the fully evolved forms until the postgame.
I still think that this game has fantastic artstyle, the music is phenomenal, and is the fastest in gameplay out of every gen, which was a blessing after the atrociously slow gameplay of Gen4 (ESPECIALLY Diamond and Pearl, thank god they adressed it with platinum and the gen2 remakes, and they were still slow as molasses). The region has a consistent America theme, and I think works very well because it feels like a cohesive region, as opossed to Kalos shoving every possible videogame trope at once (which you mentioned as criticism in your X/Y video by the way), such as having meadows on the route next to an Ice cold part of the region, right next to each other.
And while iI'll say all of that is subjective of me, so is your point of not liking stuff that was essentially redone in Gen 6, like when you criticize Castelia for being hard to navigate, yet praise Lumiose city in the X/Y video.
On the one hand, I thought "ok, so all his points boil down to the fact that he doen't like the music, the designs and the region. Was a 30+ minute video necessary for basically saying me no like game?". But on the other, the fact that you directly adressed that most of your criticism is esentially subjective, made me appreciate the rest of the essay. That saved you from the dislike, particularly because whenever I see the phrase "I wish I could like this / I was ready to like this but" online, it is usually thrown around as a backhanded insult, tipically meaning "I wish I wasn't much more cultured than you and I didn't see these glaring flaws that I cannot possibly look past". I still think the Gen 5 games are awesome.
And I also think that you are unthinkably wrong and should have your Pokémon fan license taken away immediately and never talk about Pokémon ever again and I couldn't possibly be saying this sarcastically or agree to disagree, no sir, I don't.
The fact that he puts gen 5 below sword and shield is reason enough for his opinions to be invalid lol
@@smolbacon758 I'm pretty sure that Galar is only adove Kalos and maybe Kanto (I don't hate Kanto, but the games in that region are just too basic in everything)
@@N12015 I guess but even Kalos was a bare bones game and I personally like it more. I think it also gets a pass cause it was the first 3d pokemon game. Kanto I have personally grown tired of but it's still a solid generation. Sword and shield in my opinion personally do nothing to try and make it better than previous generations. Sun and Moon, although they do get alot of hate, are probably the best 3d pokemon game minus the handholding. I recognize sun and moon had alot wrong with it but it did alot of cool things to the series and even introduced cool things like regional variant pokemon and gor rid of HMS. sword and shield do nothing to improve on it and only piggyback off of sun and moon improvements. Story is weak, exploration is weak, memorable characters are weak and game content is also weak. The only thing solid about Sword and Shield are the new pokemon, which every generation gets anyways. I wouldn't say I hate the generation but it definitely irks me when someone tries to say that this a better game than gen 4-7.
@top text I never said gen 6 was a good generation lol it's just plain better than gen 8. I actually like all of the gen 6 pokemon designs but my only gripe with it is that there weren't enough new pokemon, provided they did have to make new 3d models for the new and old pokemon. I would also have to agree that 2d models were better but it is more expensive and time consuming, seeing game freak is game freak I dont see them going back to 2d sprites.
@top text agreed
Dude the simple fact that the story in B&W sparks discussion is a good thing imo, you can't have this kind of discussions in any other pokemon title. If you think about it you spent so much time justifying why you dont like it compared to the other 2 videos, it just shows there is more substance to it than in other games.
Also funny as hell to me that you can give anti-G5 10~15 SUPER memorable tracks and they'll be like "yeah they're good, i remember them, but blah blah blah", what you want, all the soundtrack ?
Anyway just a matter of taste, you know how it goes : "Everyone has shit taste but me.😤"
I definitely think you're right that it's a good thing that people can debate/discuss BW's story, for better or for worse it's the kind of thing I wish Game Freak would produce more
I agree. The sheer fact that people still talk about the plot of a Pokémon game shows that they did something right.
Brandon Bernard my 7 year old self was so confused when i started playing this game and i was BOMBARDED with all these questions... i started to think about them and somehow i feel the debate this game’s plot started kind of shaped my thinking and who i am as a person today. im sure i cant be the only one and i cant say that no other pokemon game can do that. that speaks VOLUMES about how good the story was especially for a pokemon game
Being the King of something, means that there is an established line of succession and that it has been in place for a long time. Team Plasma is not a country, we (I, the gamer) are unfamiliar with how a King would rule over a Team of People. Are people born into Team Plasma? Why is N the King when he was found as an orphan? If N died who would rule in his stead?
If N was say the King of Unova, and we had seen Princes and Dukes as the Mayors of the towns in the game, It would give some weight to the concept of a King.
In the game N is the "king" of a team of people. Why not just call him the President? Or the Leader, boss? I get that Team Plasma is based on Medieval ideas, but the concept is half baked. Would make way more sense if Team Plasma were part of the society and N was the known ruler. Ghetsis could have the evil advisor manipulating an idealistic young King (like a Jafar type from Aladdin).
@@adamchoquette1937 but... that was exactly what happened? They were pretty much a society with ranks and agendas and all that shit, and Ghetsis was the evil councilor manipulating the young king, except he did it for his whole life.
It is interesting that we all feel so different about the games. For me gen 4 is my absolute least favourite. Pokemon as gods felt just off for me and the games felt slowpased. Gen 5 was my favourite so far for many reasons and the plot was better than many ones i felt. The team are not evil for the sake of it, they actually has an intent for once.
Fuck gen 5 piece of copy pasted crap the fucking horseshit coming of age story is fucking garbage compared to Zelda Twilight Princess. It was 100 percent handholding compared to Zelda.
@@SirDibble25 Dude what's wrong
@@SirDibble25 is this bait?
@@SirDibble25 what has this to do with Zelda? We are talking about Pokémon now, not Zelda.
@@SirDibble25 it’s like comparing apples and oranges. hat we are talking about isn’t Zelda... So it’s out of topic and a pretty unnecessary comment.
ive never seen someone start youtube and straight away start making banger videos, great quality and great thumnails with such a high amount of views
15:26 there's a whole section in the endgame where you find out N's story.
N was raised by wild pokemon but when ghetsis realized he could use N he locked N in a room making him go a tad insane hence his melodrama and the king stuff. A lot of this is actually optional and is even then mostly up to interpretation until part 2
Boy you saved your ass in the last ten minutes. I think your personal nitpicks are what made your experience worse, and the "objective" criticism that was the story is, once again, completely subjective. Saying that you didn't like it because it didn't take the direction is one thing, but crossing it out as bad is another. The only thing I'm willing to admit is that the map is one big circle, but that's about it. At least I can respect you for stating by saying that it was all purely subjective but man, listening to the first half the video being you talking about your opinions as facts really made me not want to stay until the end
I feel dropping a "it's all just my opinion, man" at the end doesn't even really justify the tone set forth from the start, either. Establishing your ideas as an intelligent, critical review but it turns out to be all based on taste and using "I try not to take things too seriously" or "it's just my opinion" to disavow yourself from further criticism never sits well with me.
@@Stunsparce while I agree that making a 30 minutes video where 20 minutes is talking shit about a beloved game and in the last ten say "haha it was a prank" while still talking shit is a terrible way to format your opinion, at least he had the decency to explain that maybe it was all in his head instead of leaving his opinion as fact
The map is shaped like a circle because NYC which B+W is based on is a giant circle with the five boroughs and new Jersey basically surrounding it. It’s incredibly well researched as someone from the city.
@@xkrazydog the fact that it was done like that on purpose, while making it slightly better, doesn't make the adventure less linear. The map is literally walking in a straight line
Squirtle is life This might be slightly controversial, but I sort of have a preference for more linear games than explorative ones. Am I weird like that?
I hate people acting like pokemon designs are a reason to dislike gen 5 when there are bad pokemon designs in all games, you cant tell me grimer and muk are good pokemon designs if you are telling my trubbish is bad. And it had so many good pokemon designs that everyone just seems to ignore when they are making that point, braviery, serperior, chandalure, haxorus, excadrill do I need to go on.
By the way gen 2 has the worst pokemon of the mainline game if you think I'm lying..look at the roster.
It has very few good pokemon
I never see people mention hydreigon its one of my favourite Pokemon it looks really cool it’s strong and it’s cry is cool.
Gen 4 had the best designs
I have never heard anyone refer to diglett as a hotdog 😂😂
Also some of your design critiques I didn't get. Like, calling Darumaka a used tampon?? Have you ever seen a used tampon? He looks like a hot coal if anything, like he's somewhat supposed to!
Some designs are pretty bad tho like with any gen. In gen one there was a pile of goop, a bigger pile of goop, a pokeball, an upsidedown pokeball, etc. In this one we have men in clouds, Cryoganol, etc. It all comes down to taste though because I still love 90% of the pokemon designs in Gen 5! Not sure why, I just do.
Pokemon gen 5 really had bad designs some are cool like crookadile and are beautiful like lilligant, and other than the starters, they fall off, when they had better designs in other games, and gen 1 pandering
Darumaka is based on a traditional japanese doll called "Daruma".
Every Pokémon game has tons of uglies, so that’s never really bothered me tbh. I mean there have been just as lack luster designs, like Rattata is literally just a rat, so I don’t get how people rank on the garbage Pokémon, I mean Garbordor wasn’t made to look pretty if people didn’t realize that lol
I feel bad for darumaka i trained a darmanitan to level 100 because of that
I think everything about Gen 5 is perfectly summed up by its namesake. The Pokemon designs are either some of the worst or some of the best.
In my opinion gen 5 was one of the best games in the series. They added tons of Pokémon, the soundtrack was amazing, and the story was pretty good. I have to say that I think gen 5 is probably the last good game in the Pokémon series.
At least was more than "Become the champion because 'wynaut', while defeating a pure evil/stupid team". This time they gave you motivations for going to the elite 4 (If you don't N and Ghetsis will rule Unova and you'll be no longer able to be friend with your pokemon), and team plasma isn't pure evil, but rather has bad and good members.
I can see the problems with gen 5, but he is just so absurd in his critique, like hating Castelia city for being too easy to get lost but loving Lumiose city which is even worse, or praising gen 1 designs while saying gen 5 designs are disgusting.
Fernando Vasquez yes there intentions they think are to free Pokémon so there is an actual opinion in them unlike the mindless team skull who are just gangsters. Also he said his critique was his opinion so I’m ok with it. Casteliea city was one of the best in the Pokémon’s Series it captures New York pretty well. I’d rather Pokémon be a pixel game rather than a 3D one and that’s why I don’t like the newer versions as much
@@sweetteas2467 Lumiose city is based on Paris. Even has the Eiffel tower as gym.
Fernando Vasquez oh I meant casetelia city
"Last good game"
I dont think so. Every Pokemon game is good, but recently haven't been as good as before.
From the creators of Green man on cloud, blue man on cloud and brown man on cloud we present: Pink Fetus and Pink FetusTwo, who is like Pink Fetus but on steroids. Aren't those cool?
Isn’t mew literally a cat fetus
Sigilyph is one of my favorite gen 5 pokemon. It was on my very first team in gen 5, so was Cryogonal.
😆😁😁😍same
I really loved black and white but I could never get over the designs. I don’t even think they’re bad, but literally I went through the dex and I dislike the majority of the designs. They’re just unappealing to me
But they gave me zoroark so I’m ok
Zoroark is best boy 10/10
I really love zoroark but I find that when I use Pokémon in the games I love them so much more I really like liligant crustle beeheeyem jellicent
I actually really like almost all the designs but it's mostly about nostalga this was My first generation of pokemon and beacause of that it will always be special to me like My favorite pokemon is roogenrola and I don't know why
Oh it’s katzun
@@evilhagwannabe1820 I had Black 2 and these 4 pokemon will forever be some of my favorites: Serperior, Zoruark, Lucario, and Unfezant (male, female ugly oof). The other 2 on my team I didnt really connect with ^^"
I just loaded the game up and they are Chandelure and Golduck. Chandelure has an awesome design tho 👀
I also have Diamond, loading it up now.
Oh I must have restart it, this team doesnt look familiar. These pokemon are on my team that I remember were some of my main ones though: Prinplup, Luxio, and Staravia. Wish I could remember who the other 3 were TvT
I have beat Diamond, so the 3 I mentioned would have been fully evolved. I just dont remember their names/dont remember how to spell them, except for Luxray 😂
As much as everybody hates on Simisear, he's one of my favorite Pokemon of all time. The first time I was really excited by the Pokemon franchise was when I watched two kids at my summer camp play the card game together, and one kid managed to pull off a really clutch win with a Pansear that evolved into Simisear. It was really awesome.
I've actually grown to like simisear over time, I've never hated it but after using one in my Pokemon X playthrough I love the fire monkey
Honestly I liked the 5th gen monkey trio as a whole, they look a bit goofy!
Oh thank god finally someone who adores gen 4