I really appreciate that! Look for more of these coming. I have a single bevel one out now. Next up is swhacker style mechs. After that large cut 4 blades.
It’s funny how drastically different the test results are for the Beast across different channels and test applications. Thank you for your efforts on this video.
For real... if the blades are depressing just going through leather I'm sure they don't stay completely open through a body cavity... and they were the sharpest!
@@longfalllureoutdoors7321 I'd guess that they would reduce like he showed then expand out in the cavity as once your in it'll be fully expanded. It would think it would increase penetration. I'd like to see it more durable though. Probably not a real issue on an animal though. I'll likely stick with my good sized fixed.
I like Lusk except for the cinder block test. The cinder block test is a great way to test the strength of the ferrule. But any blade that can survive the cinder block test is much too thick to be optimized for cutting.
Good unbiased test, I do think the leather blade opening pressure test could use some consistent speed since speed can affect the force it uses to open the blade. If the arrow is going really slow it will use way more force to open the blade and cut, if it's going at 50fps it's going to use way less force. Reason because I threw the arrow at a good speed into 5 sheets of paper and the blades open right up with no issue, when I try to just push the broadhead really slow through the papers it takes significant amount of force. Just a thought for your next test.
I like the take you have on the broadheads. Its a fun 'sports like' feel to it. And you put them all through the ringer. As a seasoned archer, i appreciated this vid! Keep it up
Been using rage trypan nc since they came out, never had any issues with them and the deer rarely go more than 25 30 yards most of them drop within 15 yards
@@KurtonGD blades are sharp enough bud lol killed lots of deer with them clean pass through how sharp you need? You sound like a bandwagon boy listening to everyone else and repeating them. The natives arrowheads were nowhere near as sharp as what we use these days and they had no issues surviving and taking game lol
Love the test, but I have a couple of thoughts. 1) I don’t trust the KE energy tester that you used. As a demonstration of force required to open and penetrate with the broadheads. Most 70 pound bows produce KE in the mid 70s, and you test shows it took over 100lbs/ke to open and penetrate. Something doesn’t add up, as most of those broad heads have been successfully used on animals. 2) if the sevr wound channel looks like it closed, after a complete opening in the leather, I would suspect the blades are installed right over left, when it should be left on top on right. I’ve shot them through the spine of a whitetail, and they still locked in place. It is not easy to return them to the closed position once they locked in. 3) When I was doing my review, I had accuracy issues with the RD2. Awesome work! Subbed!
Its not a KE tester. I said foot pounds/ pound feet because Im used to talking KE. That was a mistake on my end. It measures pound force and the leather is much tougher than whitetail hide. The Sevr thing baffled me, I really think its blade swing, not closed, just couldnt tell for sure. Its why I want a high speed camera. Just dont have the $10,000 saved for it yet 🤣. If it was a blade install issue it came that way. I never took them out. Ive shot the RD2 to 60 with no problem.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors heck of a job either way, just my observations. I think the blade retention design on the RD2 is a major weakness on the broadhead.
Great video man keep it up. One important thing is also the accuracy of how the broad head flys. I honestly haven’t shot all of these other then the beast broad head and the rage broad head. I shoot 62lb pse levitate 30.5 draw and I can switch from my field tip to my the beast broad head and hits beautifully. 20,30,40,50,60 yards no problem. Rage on the other hand has a lot of movement at 30 and way off at 40. I know you have it broad head tune but not having that issue with the beast broad head is pretty nice.
Id love to see you test the rage aginst the Shwacker. In my opinion, those are the only two mechanicals worth mentioning. They seem to be significantly better than everything else.
Itd be interesting to see, but not sure itd make a lot of sense. They are designed to act very differently in the animal. Any of the mechs in this video will do the job on a whitetail if we do our part. I have zero doubt about that.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors true. But I hunt elk. Like you said, anything will kill a whitetail. I use the biggest, cheapest, Walmart broadhead I can find d for pronghorn, but I'd like to see a sharpness and durability test on shwacker vs rage. Blade deployment too. How much pressure ot takes to open them doesn't much matter, so long as they open.
"Those blades are not fully deployed. Which means the blades did not fully deploy" Your genius is astounding sir😂 Great video man! In all seriousness it was neat to see some of the tests you did and very informative.
Id be curious to see if the direction of blade orientation compared to the screws on the leather test. The beast was tested on the long side where there was more slack allowed in the leather due to stretch and sevr tested directly in line with the screws. Does the excess stretch on the long edge of the leather change compared to the short edge and then in line with the screws? I would redo the test using 3 screws on every edge and then making the leather square not rectangular, consistent screw placement and hole underneath.
Interesting thought on long side. Ill have to check into that. That just happened to be how the threads worked out for the beast that it was turned that way. Screw placement is the same across all leather same 4 holes.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors Great video - Sorry for all the comments. Just love this stuff. I thought the same thing - I'd make a little square to put on top of the leather to clamp it down. Use all thread to poke it up through that square then you can use wing nuts to screw it down. Nice and easy to replace too. All in - nice work man!
If you use Firenock components in conjunction with aero-concept 1.0 to build your arrows you won’t get that mushrooming effect that ruins your arrows when you hit a hard target.
The fact that it took much less force to open the blades compared to the force to actually cut through shows that the force to open the blades doesn't actually matter much.
The amount of out of pocket money alone is worth a like, comment and sub. Also nicely done easy to understand commentary. Only thing missing is a shwacker head.
Fun to watch. I've been debating putting some force testing together as well. Can you give some more detail what units that is reading out? Something isn't jiving to me. If they took that nearly 80 ft-lbs to open that's greater than the KE of most all archers. Even me at 30" 70# with a 335 IBO bow I've got 85.4 FT-LBS of KE. This test shows that pretty much no archer should shoot a mechanical as you'd barely make it through hide. So many people do, so something is off a little. So either the units are really just pounds and not ft-lbs or the static test is not representative of the dynamic in motion deployment. Like the speed at which blades are deployed may matter. Not sure. Either way. Good stuff! Finally liked and subscribed.
Its not foot pounds its pounds force. Im just so used to foot pounds building arrows and talking KE that I made a mistake. The leather is tougher than deer hide so the penetration force will be much higher than itd be on a whitetail. The force test is a great way to compare broadheads to one another but not to compare broadheads with penetration on whitetail.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors That makes a lot more sense! That's what my guess was but I couldn't tell on my TV what the units were. Might be worth a clarification. You can get KE though out of your calc though I'm sure - Let me know if you need a hand. I'm pretty handy with this type of stuff with my engineering background.
Wonder if the sevr results in the gel was the blades swooping one way, because once they open they cannot close they lock open and forward so they cant back out of an animal. I still love the titanium ferrel and design. I put a nasty 4” plus cut on a doe super quartered away at 16 yards, 505grain FMJ, 29.5” draw and 76#, lodged in the other shoulder and just poking out. But im going back to fixed this year because i want to tinker and down to 72# and a lighter arrow with 15.5% FOC 460…still plenty energy but just want to see the differences. I will note i think the OG Sevr 2.1” was way sharper and better made the first year which is what i shot that doe with, and broke 2 ribs and blew threw the far shoulder. Head was still intact, point slightly bent. Great testing! And im only shooting at whitetails. If i were to shoot elk i think i would probably only shoot a single bevel iron will, or VPA…much more stout animals and hide is way thicker, shoulders and sockets a lot more robust. Also want to note that arrow components at the front matter a bunch too with these factors, if you have a great head but the insert fails and snaps off then youre screwed…good titanium insert like podium archers and collar, or any good insert design with a collar makes a big difference for the durability of the carbon shaft up front
Its funny you mention that. I went back and looked at my first Sevr test. It was sharper out of the package, by a lot. I also see they use grade 5 titanium which is about equivalent to 7075 aluminum. Titanium is a good buzzword though. Thank you for watching!
@@Chestthumperoutdoors haha yeah that makes sense then as far as the buzzwords go…gotta give up something to get something and thats durability and penetration if you want to create that massive wound channel and blood trail. The debate will go on and could go on forever. All comes down to shot placement tho of coursee!
I've done a lot of these tests at home. Some have been recorded, some have not. I really encourage you to entertain the Rek XP and HXP. Thank me later! Enjoyed the vid
@@Chestthumperoutdoors Hmmmm.. Are you sure? That's not what I'm seeing. Looks like the HIT/shaft gave out. Would act like a shock absorber when it breaks.
Great Video! im a sucker for good marketing and new innovation. Bowmar putting the blades on a spring is a great idea, and all of the tests that i see say the same thing: " blades not fully deployed upon entry, wound channel is not full 2inches etc etc." i dont think the engineering intent is for those blades to be fully deployed on entry and i think the ballistic gel is significantly more dense then lungs liver or heart. since they do not come to a fully "locked " position like most other mechanicals the wound channel will not preform like others do when shot into ballistic gel. again, i am a sucker for innovation and good marketing and Josh deff knows how to market his products. the impact on the femur is concerning to say the least but the wound channel on this review and other video reviews is all the same. it would be cool to see these should through a watermelon, cantaloupe, the insides of that may mimic the organs of a deer more realistically then gel.
Gel is for sure more dense than internals. In the beast review video I did, different from this one, I talk about that. Thing to remember is that femur is way heavier than any whitetail bone. However, other broadheads didnt catostrophically fail in the same way under the same circumstances.
The Rage experienced an arrow component failure. If you would have had a BAR on the end of the shaft it would have transferred that energy forward instead of backwards.
The question I have Is I have watched lusk archery shoot all these heads and well let’s just say the only one to survive his zero penetration test was the sevr now that is one shoot into block not 3 and we’ll the trypan just looking at its physical properties has a longer point so you test is not completely putting each head on level ground same as g5 head it has a longer point but I just find it crazy his results were totally different he shot heads thru mdf and metal different test mediums your zero tolerance penetration test was shoot head until it blows up into bone crazy the shorter profile head is going to lose that ever time then when you shot the sevr thru gel you shot it thru where the gel had previously been shot
The issue with what your saying from a comparison perspective is the only way youd be able to compare heads is if they were designed exactly the same. There would be no point in comparing them then. The g5 has a longer point but didnt do what the trypan did. I didnt shoot them until they broke, I shot them until they hit solid bone. That portion of the gel hadnt been shot. If you listen in that portion I say the other wound channels are in the back ground.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors then why not shoot them into something bigger one time it’s very strange you pick a bone then shoot head several times why not get a bigger target all i am saying is that rage is no way in hell more durable then sevr and I used both and have both and have used both on deer and hogs
@EricBynog-zd4rd Heavy bone would be more relevant & more uniform than a cinderblock. So what are you complaining about? Lusk's blades were sharper out of the box as well so quality control could be a culprit. Also i don't recall him shooting the 2.0 which would be weaker than the 1.5 with the same design & materials just due to the extra blade gap in the ferrule.
@@deftink0236 yes bone is a good thing to shot but I would think cinderblock is harder and you shot them over and over and over til they failed then rated them based off which one survive the longest that is what I meant by the rage trypan will win that type test every time due to long pointed ferrule but when tested in zero penetration test it busted to pieces
Femurs are stronger than all of them so if it survives a femur itll survive those. Just because it survives doesnt mean itd pass through a shoulder in a hunting situation. I also dont have easy access to any of those where as my local butcher regularly has femurs
Great video, really like the content you’ve been posting lately. I’ve been trying to narrow down my broadhead selection for this season. What would be your opinion on the slick trick mag, ramcat diamond back, and magnus black hornet in 125 grain. I’m shooting 60 pounds and 29 in draw length.
Id go slick trick or black hornet. If you want to resharpen go hornet. If you just want to replace blades go slick trick. If you go slick trick get yhe black ferrule ones. Not the stainless steel ferrule.
Thanks for confirming what I had already expected. The bone test is a BIG SURPRIZE though. I've killed 30-40 deer with a Rage and more often than not, they're trash after going through a deer.
@@michaelschroeder6014rage makes a variety of different broadheads. The ferrules are made of aluminum on most. Then steel on some and titanium on some. There is a difference.
@Chestthumperoutdoors I shot a 200 lb buck 3yrs ago at 25 yds with the rage titanium and it blew all the way through the shoulder , couldn't believe it! It went through the other side and stuck in front of the other shoulder. One blade was broke off but the point was just a little bent .
I would Be so pumped to try Sevr If I hadn’t ALREADY used it to Shoot hogs and seen the worst “on game performance “ of any of the dozens of broadheads I have used to take 50+ game Animals..(deer+turkey+hogs+the occasional aggravating armadillo)
Agreed, but with the piece of leather hanging there, he couldn't see the block either. A second shot should have been taken after realizing his mistake, not pulling the arrow & then showing it.
Here's the thing..broadhead test you see on UA-cam are not really fair in the sense you are not applying broadheads to what they are meant for and that's animals..for several years I tested broadheads on actual deer, both fixed and mechanical..the leather with gel is so unreal versus deer anatomy when it comes to performance of rear deploying broadheads...you can lose a deer with any of them if it's bad shot but best experience I have is without question is the Rage Hypodermic and trust me I've tried Sevr,g5 and many other brands from fixed to mechanical and real world application is most important test there is!!
So u must have gotten an abnormally robust rage because I have done similar destruction tests and in all of them the Sevr does better everytime. I have shot it through plywood, 2x4’s, heavy duty rubber mats, and steel barrels and steel sherts and the rages never did well. And the beast is just junk! Except it does have the sharpest blades out of the package
Glad you were using a 60 lb bow, beast broadheads didnt do as well as i thought. Not eveeyone shoots a 90 pound bow like bowmar. I really like the technology tho.
The arrow wouldnt have failed until the broadhead abruptly stopped, which shoved the broadhead and insert back into the arrow. Meaning the forward energy was gone before the failure.
@@wardsoutfitters8518not a chance the arrow is at fault the broad head came to an abrupt stop and the arrow kept driving hence why the carbon splintered around the insert/head
Exactly. If the arrow had not splintered then the force would have remained consistent. But because it splintered the energy still moving forward was no longer applied to the broadhead but rather around it hence the splintered arrow!
@@wardsoutfitters8518 the arrow splintered because the lead end (the broadhead) stopped the arrow failed because the broadhead hit something solid. Causing it to lose energy the arrow energy continued hence why the insert/broadhead was shoved back into the arrow shaft
1. Prepare to be sued 2. How anyone could elect to use any mechanical vs a good fixed blade is beyond me. 100 ft lb just to get through the hide and that’s if you have any blades open or intact if you hit something on the way through? 3. Very good test
Hard to beat the rage design, or should I say rocky mountain broadhead design, I'm still shooting the original snypers, can't beat them, I think sevr are close to being good, just need to trash that swivel blade system and go to the same system as the rage or T2
Maybe the best test video I’ve watched
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
We need a broadhead test colab!
Bro no way Chris bee real commented on this
Bit hyperbolic
Try Lusk Archery broadhead tests
You earned a new sub from me. BEST broadhead test video on YT. Unbiased, pure results driven. Excellent work brother.
I really appreciate that! Look for more of these coming. I have a single bevel one out now. Next up is swhacker style mechs. After that large cut 4 blades.
Best scientific broadhead test I’ve seen. Keep it up! 👍🏼
Damn! That is a beautiful fence! That has got to be the highest quality fence work that I have seen!
Appreciate the effort you put into these tests bro
It’s funny how drastically different the test results are for the Beast across different channels and test applications.
Thank you for your efforts on this video.
That was the first time I have seen a SEVR break. Dang! Also, surprised the blades didn't lock. I demand a rematch 🤣
It shocked the crap out of me too. Never in a million years wouldve guessed that outcome
I've heard of people having problems with the sevr 2.0 locking back. That the 1.5 and 1.75 don't have that problem
Has to be a tolerance problem with the 2.0 The 1.5s I’ve shot are always a bastard to get back unlocked when they’re not in mint condition.
SEVR 1.75 has never failed me…… love these!!
@@Buck279l there's no doubt that they are a lethal head. My only problem with the design is the longer feral is going to be weaker than a shorter one
Such great data collection
Bowmar is gonna have to do some damage control for this one
Nah, Im not big enough to do anything on that front.
For real... if the blades are depressing just going through leather I'm sure they don't stay completely open through a body cavity... and they were the sharpest!
I shot a red stag doe with a beast it was a 2 inch entrance and a 2 inch exit I didn’t have a problem with it
I’d be surprised if they don’t try to sue him.
@@longfalllureoutdoors7321 I'd guess that they would reduce like he showed then expand out in the cavity as once your in it'll be fully expanded. It would think it would increase penetration. I'd like to see it more durable though. Probably not a real issue on an animal though. I'll likely stick with my good sized fixed.
The coat makes this 100% undeniable science, you are the science. 😂
I am the science, the science is me. We are one.
Glad you liked that schtik!
LUSK does best Broadhead test there is
x2 on this
I like Lusk except for the cinder block test. The cinder block test is a great way to test the strength of the ferrule. But any blade that can survive the cinder block test is much too thick to be optimized for cutting.
@@ThirdLawPairthere is some truth to that
Great video, appreciate the effort and testing!
Very well put together. I like this
Good unbiased test, I do think the leather blade opening pressure test could use some consistent speed since speed can affect the force it uses to open the blade. If the arrow is going really slow it will use way more force to open the blade and cut, if it's going at 50fps it's going to use way less force. Reason because I threw the arrow at a good speed into 5 sheets of paper and the blades open right up with no issue, when I try to just push the broadhead really slow through the papers it takes significant amount of force. Just a thought for your next test.
Good point! I'll definitely look into that for the next test.
This is the most technical broadhead test I’ve seen! Awesome video!
Thanks a ton!
Great testing and appreciate the time to make the video.
Thank you for watching!
I like the take you have on the broadheads. Its a fun 'sports like' feel to it. And you put them all through the ringer. As a seasoned archer, i appreciated this vid! Keep it up
Cant believe I'm saying this... The Rage NC tripan was extremely impressive. The weakest part of that setup is the Axis + HIT.
Been using rage trypan nc since they came out, never had any issues with them and the deer rarely go more than 25 30 yards most of them drop within 15 yards
Need some collars to protect the end of the arrow shaft! I run iron will on mine.
Ov never list a deer with a rage...but i will say now they are nade in China the blades are not very sharp. I sharpen mine soon as I buy them
@@KurtonGD blades are sharp enough bud lol killed lots of deer with them clean pass through how sharp you need? You sound like a bandwagon boy listening to everyone else and repeating them. The natives arrowheads were nowhere near as sharp as what we use these days and they had no issues surviving and taking game lol
Nice job on the test, I'm a fixed blade guy but your tests were well thought out.
Love the test, but I have a couple of thoughts.
1) I don’t trust the KE energy tester that you used. As a demonstration of force required to open and penetrate with the broadheads. Most 70 pound bows produce KE in the mid 70s, and you test shows it took over 100lbs/ke to open and penetrate. Something doesn’t add up, as most of those broad heads have been successfully used on animals.
2) if the sevr wound channel looks like it closed, after a complete opening in the leather, I would suspect the blades are installed right over left, when it should be left on top on right. I’ve shot them through the spine of a whitetail, and they still locked in place. It is not easy to return them to the closed position once they locked in.
3) When I was doing my review, I had accuracy issues with the RD2.
Awesome work! Subbed!
Its not a KE tester. I said foot pounds/ pound feet because Im used to talking KE. That was a mistake on my end.
It measures pound force and the leather is much tougher than whitetail hide.
The Sevr thing baffled me, I really think its blade swing, not closed, just couldnt tell for sure. Its why I want a high speed camera. Just dont have the $10,000 saved for it yet 🤣. If it was a blade install issue it came that way. I never took them out.
Ive shot the RD2 to 60 with no problem.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors heck of a job either way, just my observations. I think the blade retention design on the RD2 is a major weakness on the broadhead.
Bro these test are lightyears ahead of lusks test! Great job man!
Thank you for watching!
Great video bud!
Great video man keep it up. One important thing is also the accuracy of how the broad head flys. I honestly haven’t shot all of these other then the beast broad head and the rage broad head. I shoot 62lb pse levitate 30.5 draw and I can switch from my field tip to my the beast broad head and hits beautifully. 20,30,40,50,60 yards no problem. Rage on the other hand has a lot of movement at 30 and way off at 40. I know you have it broad head tune but not having that issue with the beast broad head is pretty nice.
Keep in mind that anytime your tune is off you also lose bow performance. Which means penetration and thats super important with a mechanical
Id love to see you test the rage aginst the Shwacker. In my opinion, those are the only two mechanicals worth mentioning. They seem to be significantly better than everything else.
Itd be interesting to see, but not sure itd make a lot of sense. They are designed to act very differently in the animal.
Any of the mechs in this video will do the job on a whitetail if we do our part. I have zero doubt about that.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors true. But I hunt elk. Like you said, anything will kill a whitetail. I use the biggest, cheapest, Walmart broadhead I can find d for pronghorn, but I'd like to see a sharpness and durability test on shwacker vs rage. Blade deployment too. How much pressure ot takes to open them doesn't much matter, so long as they open.
"Those blades are not fully deployed. Which means the blades did not fully deploy"
Your genius is astounding sir😂
Great video man! In all seriousness it was neat to see some of the tests you did and very informative.
Words are hard....
G5 megameats period!
Great info!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. Good tests and I love the after action reports 😂 You earned yourself a like and a new subscriber 👍🏼
Im glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for watching and the sub!
Id be curious to see if the direction of blade orientation compared to the screws on the leather test. The beast was tested on the long side where there was more slack allowed in the leather due to stretch and sevr tested directly in line with the screws.
Does the excess stretch on the long edge of the leather change compared to the short edge and then in line with the screws?
I would redo the test using 3 screws on every edge and then making the leather square not rectangular, consistent screw placement and hole underneath.
Interesting thought on long side. Ill have to check into that. That just happened to be how the threads worked out for the beast that it was turned that way.
Screw placement is the same across all leather same 4 holes.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors Great video - Sorry for all the comments. Just love this stuff. I thought the same thing - I'd make a little square to put on top of the leather to clamp it down. Use all thread to poke it up through that square then you can use wing nuts to screw it down. Nice and easy to replace too. All in - nice work man!
All this testing … broad heads are under the microscope more today than ever! And that’s a good thing!
Its a lot of fun if nothing else. I also think there is a lot to learn from it even if you only take bits and pieces from all the testing.
Nice video brotha
Great video. I’d love to see you try this test with some fixed like the magnus black hornet
Shwacker would be interesting in the leather punch test with the way it is designed to open after entry
Mehhh little pin hole at entry and if you don't get a pass through get the tracking dogs because you will need them !!!
Great video. Would have liked to seen our HXP in the mix 😎
I really want to test it and the fx4!
sweet video man, thanks
Thank you 🙏
Your Welcome!
If you use Firenock components in conjunction with aero-concept 1.0 to build your arrows you won’t get that mushrooming effect that ruins your arrows when you hit a hard target.
Great testing...any chance to dee the G5 Megameat?
Im trying to find more rear deploy 3 blades so I can test several against one another.
It would be interesting to see how the rage held up after shooting it with a glancing shot and then shot the same broadhead again.
I enjoyed the video.
Thank you for watching!
How about trying the new Rek HXP 2.25 . It's super strong and I think would dominate this competition
I want to test it!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Food for thought for those watching - you can get the RD2 in titanium as well
Absolutely. As long as its not grade 5 like sevr itll be more durable
@@Chestthumperoutdoors Why not grade 5? I'm not tracking.
Enjoyed the video! Broadheads can make or break a good hunt
You got that right!
I’m not surprised the Rage done well. And I never put any stock into how a head survives something it wasn’t designed to hit. 😳
You are awsome great veido.
Thank you!
Some surprising results for sure. I hope you will do the same test on some 3 blade mechs. Grim Reaper, Deadmeat, etc.
I plan to do this with many broadheads
I can't believe the rage did that well in the bone. They've upped their durability that's for sure. They use to be trash after hitting cardboard.
Facts
When purchasing broadheads I also consider who / the company I'm supporting, and the country where the components are being made.
Thats the biggest way I choose my gear.
And if the person that owns the company is involved in any major poaching rings!
Great video. I subbed
Thank you for watching and subbing!
The fact that it took much less force to open the blades compared to the force to actually cut through shows that the force to open the blades doesn't actually matter much.
Good job!!! Try a rib rack.
The amount of out of pocket money alone is worth a like, comment and sub. Also nicely done easy to understand commentary. Only thing missing is a shwacker head.
Thank you for the like comment and sub! I plan to do a video like this with several different styles of broadheads. Including swhacker style
Awesome video !! From you experience shooting the rd2 do think with will have problems with deflection on quartering shots ?
I havent shot it enough to say yes or no, but the design makes me suspect it to be a problem
Great video I have said time and time again I will take my Rage over ANY Mechanical on the market today! PERIOD!
Fun to watch. I've been debating putting some force testing together as well. Can you give some more detail what units that is reading out?
Something isn't jiving to me. If they took that nearly 80 ft-lbs to open that's greater than the KE of most all archers. Even me at 30" 70# with a 335 IBO bow I've got 85.4 FT-LBS of KE. This test shows that pretty much no archer should shoot a mechanical as you'd barely make it through hide. So many people do, so something is off a little.
So either the units are really just pounds and not ft-lbs or the static test is not representative of the dynamic in motion deployment. Like the speed at which blades are deployed may matter. Not sure.
Either way. Good stuff! Finally liked and subscribed.
Its not foot pounds its pounds force. Im just so used to foot pounds building arrows and talking KE that I made a mistake.
The leather is tougher than deer hide so the penetration force will be much higher than itd be on a whitetail. The force test is a great way to compare broadheads to one another but not to compare broadheads with penetration on whitetail.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors That makes a lot more sense! That's what my guess was but I couldn't tell on my TV what the units were. Might be worth a clarification. You can get KE though out of your calc though I'm sure - Let me know if you need a hand. I'm pretty handy with this type of stuff with my engineering background.
The bone impacts are too irregular to draw any real conclusions. Although the beast doesn’t look very beastly 😂
The holes the sevr has made in the deer I’ve killed was huge. I wished I could post pics
Wonder if the sevr results in the gel was the blades swooping one way, because once they open they cannot close they lock open and forward so they cant back out of an animal. I still love the titanium ferrel and design. I put a nasty 4” plus cut on a doe super quartered away at 16 yards, 505grain FMJ, 29.5” draw and 76#, lodged in the other shoulder and just poking out. But im going back to fixed this year because i want to tinker and down to 72# and a lighter arrow with 15.5% FOC 460…still plenty energy but just want to see the differences. I will note i think the OG Sevr 2.1” was way sharper and better made the first year which is what i shot that doe with, and broke 2 ribs and blew threw the far shoulder. Head was still intact, point slightly bent. Great testing! And im only shooting at whitetails. If i were to shoot elk i think i would probably only shoot a single bevel iron will, or VPA…much more stout animals and hide is way thicker, shoulders and sockets a lot more robust. Also want to note that arrow components at the front matter a bunch too with these factors, if you have a great head but the insert fails and snaps off then youre screwed…good titanium insert like podium archers and collar, or any good insert design with a collar makes a big difference for the durability of the carbon shaft up front
Its funny you mention that. I went back and looked at my first Sevr test. It was sharper out of the package, by a lot. I also see they use grade 5 titanium which is about equivalent to 7075 aluminum. Titanium is a good buzzword though.
Thank you for watching!
@@Chestthumperoutdoors haha yeah that makes sense then as far as the buzzwords go…gotta give up something to get something and thats durability and penetration if you want to create that massive wound channel and blood trail. The debate will go on and could go on forever. All comes down to shot placement tho of coursee!
QAD EXODUS FOR THE WIN 😅
Very good broadhead
I've done a lot of these tests at home. Some have been recorded, some have not. I really encourage you to entertain the Rek XP and HXP. Thank me later! Enjoyed the vid
The XP and HXP are on my list to test out for sure!
That Rage would've penetrated that bone better if your arrow didn't give out. If your arrow gives it absorbs all of the energy. Very impressed!
i’m disappointed that you didn’t reshoot the rage i feel like the arrow failure allowed for it to loose all its energy
Arrow failed after it stopped, not before.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors Hmmmm.. Are you sure? That's not what I'm seeing. Looks like the HIT/shaft gave out. Would act like a shock absorber when it breaks.
Knock offs of nap killzone and nap sling blade
Great Video!
im a sucker for good marketing and new innovation. Bowmar putting the blades on a spring is a great idea, and all of the tests that i see say the same thing: " blades not fully deployed upon entry, wound channel is not full 2inches etc etc." i dont think the engineering intent is for those blades to be fully deployed on entry and i think the ballistic gel is significantly more dense then lungs liver or heart. since they do not come to a fully "locked " position like most other mechanicals the wound channel will not preform like others do when shot into ballistic gel. again, i am a sucker for innovation and good marketing and Josh deff knows how to market his products. the impact on the femur is concerning to say the least but the wound channel on this review and other video reviews is all the same. it would be cool to see these should through a watermelon, cantaloupe, the insides of that may mimic the organs of a deer more realistically then gel.
Gel is for sure more dense than internals. In the beast review video I did, different from this one, I talk about that. Thing to remember is that femur is way heavier than any whitetail bone. However, other broadheads didnt catostrophically fail in the same way under the same circumstances.
Awesome video. Cool to see them all compared in the same video. Just a heads up for future videos, “lbf” is pounds-force not pound-feet (lb-ft).
The Rage experienced an arrow component failure. If you would have had a BAR on the end of the shaft it would have transferred that energy forward instead of backwards.
The question I have Is I have watched lusk archery shoot all these heads and well let’s just say the only one to survive his zero penetration test was the sevr now that is one shoot into block not 3 and we’ll the trypan just looking at its physical properties has a longer point so you test is not completely putting each head on level ground same as g5 head it has a longer point but I just find it crazy his results were totally different he shot heads thru mdf and metal different test mediums your zero tolerance penetration test was shoot head until it blows up into bone crazy the shorter profile head is going to lose that ever time then when you shot the sevr thru gel you shot it thru where the gel had previously been shot
The issue with what your saying from a comparison perspective is the only way youd be able to compare heads is if they were designed exactly the same. There would be no point in comparing them then.
The g5 has a longer point but didnt do what the trypan did. I didnt shoot them until they broke, I shot them until they hit solid bone.
That portion of the gel hadnt been shot. If you listen in that portion I say the other wound channels are in the back ground.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors then why not shoot them into something bigger one time it’s very strange you pick a bone then shoot head several times why not get a bigger target all i am saying is that rage is no way in hell more durable then sevr and I used both and have both and have used both on deer and hogs
@EricBynog-zd4rd Heavy bone would be more relevant & more uniform than a cinderblock. So what are you complaining about? Lusk's blades were sharper out of the box as well so quality control could be a culprit. Also i don't recall him shooting the 2.0 which would be weaker than the 1.5 with the same design & materials just due to the extra blade gap in the ferrule.
@@deftink0236 he has shot every sevr head they make
@@deftink0236 yes bone is a good thing to shot but I would think cinderblock is harder and you shot them over and over and over til they failed then rated them based off which one survive the longest that is what I meant by the rage trypan will win that type test every time due to long pointed ferrule but when tested in zero penetration test it busted to pieces
Rage trypan is the best there is. People give rage a bad rep from its old first design. Newer trypan no collars are a redesigned and are hard to beat.
Great video but can you try to shoot a scapula/shoulder or ribs next time?
Femurs are stronger than all of them so if it survives a femur itll survive those. Just because it survives doesnt mean itd pass through a shoulder in a hunting situation.
I also dont have easy access to any of those where as my local butcher regularly has femurs
@@Chestthumperoutdoorsyeah, I get all that Still a great video
Great video, really like the content you’ve been posting lately. I’ve been trying to narrow down my broadhead selection for this season. What would be your opinion on the slick trick mag, ramcat diamond back, and magnus black hornet in 125 grain. I’m shooting 60 pounds and 29 in draw length.
Id go slick trick or black hornet. If you want to resharpen go hornet. If you just want to replace blades go slick trick. If you go slick trick get yhe black ferrule ones. Not the stainless steel ferrule.
Stick with the rage ! These broadheads were based off of rage design
Thanks for confirming what I had already expected. The bone test is a BIG SURPRIZE though. I've killed 30-40 deer with a Rage and more often than not, they're trash after going through a deer.
It shocked the hell out of my to be honest. I didnt expect any if them to stand up to the cow femur.
@@Chestthumperoutdoors
I'll bet if you did the test again the results might be VERY different. Rage has never been known for their durability.
@@michaelschroeder6014rage makes a variety of different broadheads. The ferrules are made of aluminum on most. Then steel on some and titanium on some. There is a difference.
@Chestthumperoutdoors I shot a 200 lb buck 3yrs ago at 25 yds with the rage titanium and it blew all the way through the shoulder , couldn't believe it! It went through the other side and stuck in front of the other shoulder. One blade was broke off but the point was just a little bent .
I would Be so pumped to try Sevr If I hadn’t ALREADY used it to
Shoot hogs and seen the worst “on game performance “ of any of the dozens of broadheads I have used to take 50+ game
Animals..(deer+turkey+hogs+the occasional aggravating armadillo)
When those Rage broadheads go on clearance at Walmart you can pick up a 3 pack for $20 that's a steal and a no brainer
No u can’t! Not the trypan nc!
Not sure why no one tests the Rage Original 2.0. I’ve tried three Rage models and it’s my fave.
2 biggest reasons are its not new so itll get less views and there arent a ton of people using them.
Interesting that a couple of these flew apart on bone but in John lusk test they did fine on a concrete block. Hmm....
Cinderblock not solid concrete.
Missed one …..Trifecta Broadheads
I want to test the trifecta!
Ive seen the sevr tested so many times and into cinder blocks...never did it break. I still wont ever shoot a rage.
You made a terrible shot on the balistic block for the Sevr. You should have given it a second shot. I'd call that user error.
Agreed, but with the piece of leather hanging there, he couldn't see the block either. A second shot should have been taken after realizing his mistake, not pulling the arrow & then showing it.
Here's the thing..broadhead test you see on UA-cam are not really fair in the sense you are not applying broadheads to what they are meant for and that's animals..for several years I tested broadheads on actual deer, both fixed and mechanical..the leather with gel is so unreal versus deer anatomy when it comes to performance of rear deploying broadheads...you can lose a deer with any of them if it's bad shot but best experience I have is without question is the Rage Hypodermic and trust me I've tried Sevr,g5 and many other brands from fixed to mechanical and real world application is most important test there is!!
Major difference between your score and Lusk’s on the G5 sharpness with his scoring 150…
Any chance you can do fixed blade? I understand that you pay for them in your own so I get it if not.
Dont worry! I will 100% do fixed heads. Ill have many more of these coming!
@@Chestthumperoutdoors thank you!
So u must have gotten an abnormally robust rage because I have done similar destruction tests and in all of them the Sevr does better everytime. I have shot it through plywood, 2x4’s, heavy duty rubber mats, and steel barrels and steel sherts and the rages never did well. And the beast is just junk! Except it does have the sharpest blades out of the package
Can we see Excalibur vs Shwaker?
I plan to one of these which swhacker style heads eventually.
Next of this type coming up is single bevels.
@Chestthumperoutdoors Single bev fixed blades are key.
As for Shwak, 150 3"
Glad you were using a 60 lb bow, beast broadheads didnt do as well as i thought. Not eveeyone shoots a 90 pound bow like bowmar. I really like the technology tho.
You’re missing one.
Which one?
He's missing two😂😂
Why did you shot the serv cut like the rest? Why pull the arrow and now do the break down like the others?
Just a mess up on my end. Doesnt change anything about the wound channel. If anything itd made it better pulling it back through the gel.
Crazy I've watched john lusks videos and his testing didn't do that to the beast or sevr
The rage lost all it's energy when the arrow broke. Do it aging with a better arrow.
The arrow wouldnt have failed until the broadhead abruptly stopped, which shoved the broadhead and insert back into the arrow. Meaning the forward energy was gone before the failure.
@Chestthumperoutdoors I disagree. I've tested hundreds of broadheads and when the arrow fails energy is lost
@@wardsoutfitters8518not a chance the arrow is at fault the broad head came to an abrupt stop and the arrow kept driving hence why the carbon splintered around the insert/head
Exactly. If the arrow had not splintered then the force would have remained consistent. But because it splintered the energy still moving forward was no longer applied to the broadhead but rather around it hence the splintered arrow!
@@wardsoutfitters8518 the arrow splintered because the lead end (the broadhead) stopped the arrow failed because the broadhead hit something solid. Causing it to lose energy the arrow energy continued hence why the insert/broadhead was shoved back into the arrow shaft
Take away result: expendables are not strong and are less reliable than a good fixed.
Simple physics💡
Sure... shot placement over all.
1. Prepare to be sued
2. How anyone could elect to use any mechanical vs a good fixed blade is beyond me. 100 ft lb just to get through the hide and that’s if you have any blades open or intact if you hit something on the way through?
3. Very good test
I misspoke its pounds force not foot pounds
Hard to beat the rage design, or should I say rocky mountain broadhead design, I'm still shooting the original snypers, can't beat them, I think sevr are close to being good, just need to trash that swivel blade system and go to the same system as the rage or T2
I exploded the beast in this one and in the beast test I did I broke 3/4 of a blade off.
Beast broadhead opens so fast it blew apart ? lol 😂 brohunter is a tool
Brohunter 😂 😂😂
Yeah and think about all that energy you lost going through all that drama when you use a single bevel not the same
I have a single bevel video coming up. We shall see.
T2 being dull is crazy. They made such a big deal abour having to source the blades from Europe lol they should be better than that.
I didnt expect that myself. The deadmeat and megmeat are very sharp
Oh look a flapper shootout...
I found the ranch fairy fan! Lol. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Would love to see any of the top three kill what a BEAST has killed. The results speak for themselves
Pretty disgusting how much force it takes for mechanicals to penetrate
That leather is way more stout than whitetail skin.
They are all junk