I love the way Rose and Bernard decided to just live their lives out, happily, in peace. They were like, "We're tired of all of your guy's drama and BS. We'll help you but you gotta go", lol
@@oOo-dj7pt I like to think Hurley will be able to provide them with books from the mainland and invite them over to the Barracks for a weekly film screening.
Rose & Bernard were as sweet and perfect together as Sun & Jin. They were just meant to be. I loved how Desmond made "Locke" give his word that he wouldn't harm them.
I need a spinoff series where Rose and Bernard just chill with Hugo. Make it like Seinfeld, nothing needs to happen for me to be entertained with those three characters.
@@alfredklucz2315 Because she can sense when something is off about a person. And she knows that although the real Locke was a murderer he would never stoop to this.
I dont think she did to be honest I mean how could she they been entirely out of the loop, even though her and Locke in there few meetings if I recall got along fairly well there is still no reason for her to not believe this is John Locke I mean how could she ya know how could she possibly know Locke died first of all off island and 2nd that the smoke monster has taken his form now, I do wish she/they woulda founds out but there is just not enough info at all to suggest that ya know. She likely just assumed they had some crazy "drama" going on and for reasons unknown to her and Bernard Locke with Ben here were up to some shenanigans and Locke was being aggressive and cruel.....is it out of character from the Locke she knew? mostly yes for sure- but still no reason for her to think this wasn't Locke......oh my bad I just recalled I believe She was present when the real John Locke killed Naomi by throwing a knife in her back so if I recall she actually had seen John Locke when he was at his worst and most savage/brutal I just recalled her even saying " I'm not going anywhere with that man" when in season 4 they split up and Locke's group went to live at the others former residences so her reaction here aside from it being based on the current circumstance of who she assumed is still John Locke straight up threatening to kill her and her husband she also likely reacted this way remembering when John Locke killed Naomi ya know, so in conclusion she did not know this was not the real Locke at all and just assumed Locke was yet again as he did with Naomi willing to engage in aggression/violence/ and murder ya know.
@6079 Smith W Sweet thanks man, only my like 4th frickin award this year, but that ain't nothing thats a light run on shity grammar sentence by my standards pchh.
@6079 Smith W And 49 percent of the time I write buncha crud all together like that in big ass blotches of paragraphs, its full of true and honest details/stats/facts and other stuff...60 percent of the time every single time!.And thats a fact!.
Flocke got played in the end, Desmond was the constant and he knew what he was doing the whole time but I also generlaly feared for them when I first saw this scene..one of the truly chilling moments of the amazing finale.
I will never forget the scene where Charles Widmore told his assistant not to say anything to MiB and within the fucking second, MiB just slit her throat. "If she wasn't going to talk, she had no reason to be here." Not just ruthless. Not just cold. Fucking pure, intimidating evil.
His original motives were sympathetic but he became the personification of evil over the course of time. This is just him finally dropping the manipulative mask he'd been using to maneuver. Time was running out and this was just him finally being what he's been for a very, very long time for all to see.
What you have to remember is that the smoke monster is not the same person as Jacob's brother. Just like he wasn't John Locke or Christian shepherd. He just was able to emulate their personalities and know their memories. The smoke monster was evil incarnate, just happened to have been unleashed. Similar to the devil in the bible, who also generally was very deceptive and didn't often come out describing himself as evil, it's the same case here. And lost heavily relied on biblical allusion. So it makes sense that they would take the evil character in lost, and have him try to p prevents himself as somehow sympathetic
And I can't fathom a "reboot" this many years later. Every actor was perfectly cast.....their "acting" made me feel I was there......I own the series....cuz sometimes.....I need to go back to the island 😉
one of the really scary moments of MIB as he delivered the lines really sinister...i forget ,did rose and bernard know locke wasn't locke? or did they assume this was really locke but nutty..i mean we knew he was flocke but rose and bernard had been living by themselves before locke left the island I thought
Felt sorry for Bernard and Rose here, they've been in peace for years, built a nice hide out,, and in pops that nutter Ben Linus and a straight up certified John Locke.
So if my memory is still correct, Desmond is not affected by the energy, so he is able to go into the cave and unplug the thing right? Which then makes MIB mortal, so then Jack and Kate can kill him.
@Thomas dxb He was the darkness of the island personified through death. They never clarify it but if he left the island it's tantamount to unleashing darkness on the rest of the world. That's why he couldn't be allowed to leave the island as he was.
One of the best Lost couples (and Desmond is one half of another great couple). Frankly they’re relationship goals (avoid the fantastical drama of the Island, have the occasional real world arguments but they work through them, and they got themselves a fantastic cabin and dog to enjoy their sunset years)
I sometimes wish lost was over 18's so they could really make the man in black scary but they do a good job with what they can, this scene being one of the best ones.
zaandarbrow because why would that help the plot. I could see these two living a peaceful life and surviving the island all along. Charlie needed to die for writing purposes. What would make a legitimate reason to kill both Rose and Bernard?
Agreed. They each represent completely different themes in the storyline and unlike Charlie's sacrifice, Rose's would serve no purpose other than murder porn
tbf the way he threatened it was straight up sinister and evil in itself imo,, no raised voice , he just straight up tells Desmond what he's gonna do if he doesn't do as he says.. it was the way the actor delivered the threat which made the scene imo. Great writing, no need to eff and blind and scream threats, the most effective way is how its done in this scene.
@@therebel4332 I agree, plus I think it would have pissed off a lot of viewers. They were really good together, no reason for them to die, especially like that.
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Rose and Bernard are the most relatable characters on the show. Must be hilarious to them seeing all the confusing drama lol
Lmao right)
"You dont have to anywhere with him" So Brave of Rose to say that. Amazing scene
Indirectly she’s saying pls GO
I was really counting that he would snap their necks
@@verniks why would you have wanted him to do that?
@@nickdaman23 I was in MiB team all the way
@@verniks he was evil and that is why your team lost in the end lol 😂
I love the way Rose and Bernard decided to just live their lives out, happily, in peace. They were like, "We're tired of all of your guy's drama and BS. We'll help you but you gotta go", lol
Hell they're probably tired of trying to run thru The jungle constantly, I would be too
They probably came closest to what Jacob was trying to prove.
That was the best part of it. Them and walt had already been through enough, they got a happy ending
@@oOo-dj7pt I like to think Hurley will be able to provide them with books from the mainland and invite them over to the Barracks for a weekly film screening.
@@OhtheSuffering Yes.
"I'll make it hurt"
Its such a simple line, but I think everybody is scared of dying in ways that hurt.
It's not a simple line it's one of the most scary threats ever
it's scarier to NOT die in ways that hurt
Rose & Bernard were as sweet and perfect together as Sun & Jin. They were just meant to be. I loved how Desmond made "Locke" give his word that he wouldn't harm them.
EVER.
EVAH!!
No, he agreed to not touch them. He can still cause harm without doing it to them directly.
Plen122 My comment was about the sentiment, not the wording. Too bad you don't get that.
@@MsJourneyfan oh, I get it. I just don't agree.
I need a spinoff series where Rose and Bernard just chill with Hugo. Make it like Seinfeld, nothing needs to happen for me to be entertained with those three characters.
Best ever idea I'm down with it. Include Vincent the dog please!
Bernard would definitely be the Kramer of the show 😂
Great idea...and i'd love to see a Walt-Vincent reunion....
I remember seeing a schizo youtube comment around 12 years ago when the series ended saying Disney bought rights to a spinoff called "Hurley's Island"
Rose knows that isn't Locke, just as she knew why Locke's leg would heal faster than Jack thought in S2
Who can she know this is not Locke?
@@alfredklucz2315 Because she can sense when something is off about a person. And she knows that although the real Locke was a murderer he would never stoop to this.
I dont think she did to be honest I mean how could she they been entirely out of the loop, even though her and Locke in there few meetings if I recall got along fairly well there is still no reason for her to not believe this is John Locke I mean how could she ya know how could she possibly know Locke died first of all off island and 2nd that the smoke monster has taken his form now, I do wish she/they woulda founds out but there is just not enough info at all to suggest that ya know. She likely just assumed they had some crazy "drama" going on and for reasons unknown to her and Bernard Locke with Ben here were up to some shenanigans and Locke was being aggressive and cruel.....is it out of character from the Locke she knew? mostly yes for sure- but still no reason for her to think this wasn't Locke......oh my bad I just recalled I believe She was present when the real John Locke killed Naomi by throwing a knife in her back so if I recall she actually had seen John Locke when he was at his worst and most savage/brutal I just recalled her even saying " I'm not going anywhere with that man" when in season 4 they split up and Locke's group went to live at the others former residences so her reaction here aside from it being based on the current circumstance of who she assumed is still John Locke straight up threatening to kill her and her husband she also likely reacted this way remembering when John Locke killed Naomi ya know, so in conclusion she did not know this was not the real Locke at all and just assumed Locke was yet again as he did with Naomi willing to engage in aggression/violence/ and murder ya know.
@6079 Smith W Sweet thanks man, only my like 4th frickin award this year, but that ain't nothing thats a light run on shity grammar sentence by my standards pchh.
@6079 Smith W And 49 percent of the time I write buncha crud all together like that in big ass blotches of paragraphs, its full of true and honest details/stats/facts and other stuff...60 percent of the time every single time!.And thats a fact!.
Flocke got played in the end, Desmond was the constant and he knew what he was doing the whole time but I also generlaly feared for them when I first saw this scene..one of the truly chilling moments of the amazing finale.
"That's the kind of drama Bernard and I don't want to have anything to do with."
*five seconds later*
I know most people find the Main in Black’s motives sympathetic, but after this scene, I wanted him to suffer.
Yeah, whenever I think, "he wasn't that evil-- what'd he do that was so evil?", i forget about scenes like this where he shows his true colors
I will never forget the scene where Charles Widmore told his assistant not to say anything to MiB and within the fucking second, MiB just slit her throat.
"If she wasn't going to talk, she had no reason to be here."
Not just ruthless. Not just cold. Fucking pure, intimidating evil.
His original motives were sympathetic but he became the personification of evil over the course of time. This is just him finally dropping the manipulative mask he'd been using to maneuver. Time was running out and this was just him finally being what he's been for a very, very long time for all to see.
@@Jay-eq9gb True.
What you have to remember is that the smoke monster is not the same person as Jacob's brother.
Just like he wasn't John Locke or Christian shepherd. He just was able to emulate their personalities and know their memories.
The smoke monster was evil incarnate, just happened to have been unleashed.
Similar to the devil in the bible, who also generally was very deceptive and didn't often come out describing himself as evil, it's the same case here. And lost heavily relied on biblical allusion.
So it makes sense that they would take the evil character in lost, and have him try to p prevents himself as somehow sympathetic
I so miss this show , Awesome
And I can't fathom a "reboot" this many years later. Every actor was perfectly cast.....their "acting" made me feel I was there......I own the series....cuz sometimes.....I need to go back to the island 😉
How many times do i have to say this? This is not John Locke! This is the Monster!
A lot of people somehow miss this. I have no idea how, but they do.
We like to think Locke just turned into a straight up certifiable butcherer lol
one of the really scary moments of MIB as he delivered the lines really sinister...i forget ,did rose and bernard know locke wasn't locke? or did they assume this was really locke but nutty..i mean we knew he was flocke but rose and bernard had been living by themselves before locke left the island I thought
Rose and Bernard are awesome
Felt sorry for Bernard and Rose here, they've been in peace for years, built a nice hide out,, and in pops that nutter Ben Linus and a straight up certified John Locke.
😂
So if my memory is still correct, Desmond is not affected by the energy, so he is able to go into the cave and unplug the thing right? Which then makes MIB mortal, so then Jack and Kate can kill him.
@@kbanghart Correct
@Thomas dxb He was the darkness of the island personified through death. They never clarify it but if he left the island it's tantamount to unleashing darkness on the rest of the world. That's why he couldn't be allowed to leave the island as he was.
vincent rules! damn, i really need to get this series on dvd.
Try Half~Price books! I own the series.....cuz sometimes...I need to go back to the island 😉
@@kathyhorton4100 I need to buy it too!!
I loved that 'if I do what you want, you won't touch them. Ever.' I think he would've only said that about Penny and their son.
Of course he would have
Vincent was so damn cute 🐾😍
ROSE AND BERNARD.
AND VINCENT.
One of the best Lost couples (and Desmond is one half of another great couple). Frankly they’re relationship goals (avoid the fantastical drama of the Island, have the occasional real world arguments but they work through them, and they got themselves a fantastic cabin and dog to enjoy their sunset years)
People call him Locke because he looks like Locke and he has no other name
So call him Flocke at least.
@@alfredklucz2315 wait
@@alfredklucz2315 Flocke?
@@Abhi-qm3jj fake locke
I think better was to stay as the Smoke Monster face of Titus Welliver instead Terry O'Quinn's
I sometimes wish lost was over 18's so they could really make the man in black scary but they do a good job with what they can, this scene being one of the best ones.
"I'll make it hurt." That line brings tears to my eyes every time.
galtinburg Tears lol?
@@jstdun yes
0:54 I like his smile
Rose: *thinks* What the hell has happened to John??
I forgot what he wanted Desmond for.
To shut off the heart (light) of the island.
This is amazing I rememeber
Rose needed more screen time
There's a reason they lived to the end
Love him or hate him, one thing is for sure, Locke gives you that feeling his going to do what he says
Rose is a wise woman.
There are two things you must know about her.
First, she is a woman.
Second, she is wise...
Thank you young crone. Here is a purse of moneys... which I'm not going to give to you.
@@ZuluRomeo
I wonder how quickly Rose would have sized up Miss Klugh (Beatrice), if they had met while Klugh was still alive?
yeah ditto. i came on here to ask the same question. do they know it's not locke or what?
Nope, they think it's John Locke which just makes seeing this encounter go down even more confusing to them
-bark!-
I'd watch that show :D
1:12 Just like Rosseau.
To bad bernard and rose couldn't help jack
Nothing they could've done
Rose is what the island can do they wanted you think it was lock but look
I think Rose and Bernard thought that was the real John Locke
So why didn't MIB kill Rose and Bernard during the 3 years in the Dharma time?
I don’t think they were candidates so he didn’t need to kill them.
Do Rose and Barnard know that it's not John?
For some reason I thought I remembered Rose saying something like, "that thing isn't john locke" but maybe i imagined it haha
But they all ended up together in the afterlife.
@@Occono remind me, what was the context where he killed Naomi?
@@kbanghart Naomi survived. Locke wanted to stop her from calling the people on the freighter, so he threw a knife in her back.
@@baradaniel6177 yeah that's when he killed her right? Or are you saying she survived the knife? Pretty sure no.
To bad bernard and rose weren't with Vincent when hr found him dying they could've help him
I'm not gonna lie I faintly remember one of them had their throat slit by the MIB
Ever here of the Mandela effect?
That was Zoe, Widmore's physicist
+Shaun Tanger What does that have to do with anything. Mandela effect is basically false memory.
It’s not a lie, you’re just incorrect.
What Locke said to Desmond is what I would like to say to my brother in reference to his wife.
????
what the fuck?
Wtf?
Come with me Desmond, oh and you have my word!😜
Yeah, that he wouldn't touch them. Of course he could still cause them harm, indirectly.
How can they kill off Charlie but not these two guys?
zaandarbrow because why would that help the plot. I could see these two living a peaceful life and surviving the island all along. Charlie needed to die for writing purposes. What would make a legitimate reason to kill both Rose and Bernard?
Agreed. They each represent completely different themes in the storyline and unlike Charlie's sacrifice, Rose's would serve no purpose other than murder porn
Rose : " We don`t get involved."
@@romanrhodes815 poor rose, she should have known that letting Desmond stay there was already getting involved too much. Maybe she did.
The music is very bad
Yeah, it gets old after a while.
Are you insane? WTF do you know about music? Lost had the best damn soundtrack!
No it's not. It's very tense, old school and vibrantly humanistic. Michael Giacchino's most visceral work so far.
+chris johnson, what does that have to do with Lost's music?
@@romanrhodes815 THE BEST TRACK EVERRR
i would have loved rose and bernard to get stabbed full on and it real hurt them it would make him seem so much eviler
tbf the way he threatened it was straight up sinister and evil in itself imo,, no raised voice , he just straight up tells Desmond what he's gonna do if he doesn't do as he says.. it was the way the actor delivered the threat which made the scene imo. Great writing, no need to eff and blind and scream threats, the most effective way is how its done in this scene.
@@therebel4332 I agree, plus I think it would have pissed off a lot of viewers. They were really good together, no reason for them to die, especially like that.
I think Jin and Sun established how evil he is