Southern Expressway (Ultimo to Waterfall): Lost Sydney
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2022
- When first proposed in 1951, the F6 Southern Expressway was planned to link Sydney to the third-biggest city in NSW, Wollongong. It would have started at a massive interchange in the inner-city suburb of Ultimo, head south through the dense suburbia of Southern Sydney, then through the Royal National Park, before extending all the way down south to Wollongong.
But only half the freeway was ever built. The freeway, now the M1 Princes Motorway, starts in Wollongong but ends 50 km south of Sydney, in the suburb of Waterfall. Why was the freeway never extended to Sydney? Find out in this video, and follow me as I trace out the expressway's planned route through southern Sydney, and explore all the hints scattered across the area that a freeway was ever going to run through the area. I'll also explore the under-construction M6 Motoway project, which is finally seeing the Southern Expressway be constructed...in a tunnel...completely different to what was intended by city planners 70 years ago.
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The map I made to route the F6 Extension when planning this video: www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edi...
The webpage I made about the F6 Extension (now the M6 Motorway) 3 years ago: roadsaustralia.weebly.com/f6-...
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Hey all! Hope you all enjoy this video! Been meaning to make it for a while, and had a lot of fun going out and filming it last week. Let me know if you want more content like this, it'll convince me to spend more time on my lost freeways series!
Loving the lost freeway series Sharath, more please.
This is a great companion series to Phillip Mallis’ in Melbourne, it’s a winner from my perspective, keep up the great work!
Should look into the lost eastern freeway designed by Bradfield.
I have a suggestion for a video - the Eastwood County Road.
Where is Yala that you mentioned?
Growing up southern Sydney in the 70's, the old "Gregorys" street directories always had the Future F6 indicated on the maps. I used to trace the dotted lines across multiple pages all the way from Loftus to the City.
me too.
Lead to my loss of faith in psychics and prophets of gods, I mean, if "Gregorys" couldn't accurately predict the future who could?
Did the same!
Me too
I couldn’t have a beer with a Sydway’s person.
I reckon they should just blast a high speed rail line through the suburbs using the old reservations, thus linking Redfern to Wollongong in only 20 minutes. Join me next time for more great planning ideas
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I'm a total train and infrastructure nerd, super interesting learning more about the topic in my own city. Keep up the great work on the channel.
You've obviously put a lot of effort into this... and it's GREAT. Thanks for posting such unique and insightful content
Thank you!
Your editing and visual representation in these videos is top shelf Sharath. The time taken to visit locations to film is also noted. Well done, another interesting video.
Thank you so much!!
Wait- how did you get the verified tick?
@@tsetstransport verified through Google plus when it was around a few years back. I had a big subscriber count there. Verification carried across to all Google platforms including UA-cam.
UA-cam wasn't letting me post this before, maybe because I was putting links in to products. So I'll try here. I agree that the content is really good, and the graphics are better than a lot of the more popular transport channels. But Building Beautifully (sorry, I'm not sure of their real name) needs some real sound equipment. I recommend a Røde lapel mic (Aussie company!), plugged into their phone, with it running a sound recording app. Then buy or borrow a cheap digital camera to record the video; the quality will be perfectly fine for these daytime shots. The sound can be synced in the edit: Most people just clap their hands at the beginning of each take, to make the syncing easy, but I bought an actual clapperboard, because I'm a w*nker and think it looks cool. 😏 (Sorry for the stupid censorship, but like I said, UA-cam is giving me a hard time today.)
I was born in 1967, grew up in Gymea, went to Port Hacking High and now live in Loftus so have always been aware of the plans and land reserved for the southern freeway. This is the first time though that I have seen it all put together in such an interesting and informative presentation. I am glad though that they never went through with the destructive project as I love living in an area surrounded by greenery. We do though need a better flow of traffic from the city through to the St George area and Sutherland Shire and will be interested to see if they ever manage to finish the current M6 extension project.
We don't need more roads. We need less cars. We forever carve up cities and communities with these hideous roads, and once they're laid, traffic volume increases due to a growing surrounding population, then it's:- if we just lay one more piece of road, that will ease the squeeze. Never any talk about more bike paths, more train frequency or decentralization from the big cities.
The quality of life of those in tiny country towns and mega coastal cities, would both improve if we decentralize.
Love the amount of on-location shooting
Thank you! Going to try do it more when I have the time
Yeah, was good. He should have tried to go on a hike to that cutting he mentioned seeing on Google Earth, was expecting him to based on the other location shots.
Great detective work there. I live on the South Coast and could never get my head around the road system north of Waterfall. The south coast has been delivered a raw deal compared with links from Sydney to the central coast and the Hunter.
Nah I reckon St George and the Shire are the worst of these. South Coast have a motorway but theres none going through South Sydney to the CBD
the Bellambi Creek to Wollongong section isnt really Freeway standard. one day, probably after im dead, they will build a tunnel for train and road from waterfall to thirroul.
@@redsword1659 frreal
Very thoroughly researched and interesting presentation. Thanks. Look forward to the motorway’s full completion in 2100.
Bravo! Wollongong resident here and love the videos ... keep up the good work!
What a shame it didn't go ahead - would have been a great trip home for those of us that have chosen the Illawarra as our home !!
Im in the National park area and I found this video absolutely fascinating. All those vacant parcels of land make absolute sense now. But the comment about the traffic not being so bad in the Loftus area couldn't be further from the truth. Its bad. Needs to be widened and any further interchanges injecting more traffic onto that stretch will be a disaster. Great video.
the waterfall-loftus section is a total bottleneck, especially in busy periods like long weekends etc. they should just build the new freeway at ground level following and directly next to the railway line and then just have it tunnel the small section under heathcote. will be cost effective and minimise its encroachment into the national park.
Thanks for the very informative video! You have a really good channel here!
As a 20+ year resident of the Sutherland Shire, the F6 (now M6) will significantly make life for residents of the Shire better by bypassing non-local traffic underneath our already busy roads.
Though I must admit, driving past the reservation in Miranda everyday for the last 2 decades - I’ll believe it when I actually see construction begin at the site 😂
Thank you! I definitely see the merit in the M6, and I'm happy it'll be tunnelled. My biggest gripe sits in that it will be tolled, and probably quite expensively too. I want to make a video about how bad Sydney's tolls are, they've ruined our city honestly. Anyways, thanks for watching!
@@BuildingBeautifully I totally agree and to this day never use toll roads to drive around.
Thank you for visiting all those locations and making an engaging video.
Great video Sharath! Since discovering your channel I have turned on post notifications as your videos are super informative and give outstanding detail about Sydney infrastructure, keep making many more!!
Thank you!! Will do!
Gosh, I remember when it opened. There used to be a sign at the Waterfall end, just after the toll booths, stating that this was reserved for the future extension. I suppose to make people feel better about the 40cents toll.
Yep. In that cutting just over the hill past the toll booths. Pretty sure the sign was there from when it opened for many years.
@@boonarga True. it only got removed after recent bushfire damage
Marketing at its finest ... along with those old your fuel money is going to roads signs there was a number like that represented how much
Definitely need a episode/series of building the olympics in Sydney! Big fan keep it up
super idea !!!
Cool idea. There's some odd stuff out there still in Homebush, could be interesting.
Thank you so much for this content! Growing up as a kid in on the lower North Shore in the 70's, I witnessed not only a lot of the construction of these freeways, tunnels, harbour crossings and other infrastructure but also saw the evidence of stalled and abandoned projects too (such as the concrete support pylons sticking up unfinished into the sky for years around the current King St Wharf/Western Distributor area that Sydneysiders nicknamed "Stonehenge" at the time).
I also grew up around and played in/explored some of these unused tracts of land that were put away years ago for freeway reservations that also eventually became utilised for their intended purpose years later, such as the extension of the original Warringah Expressway north to Willoughby Road in the late '70's and then the construction of the Gore Hill motorway from here through to Epping Road in Lane Cove in the '90's (before flowing into the Lave Cove Tunnel and then onto the M2/M7 circular motorway project some years later).
I wish I had kept the battered old Gregory's street directory printed sometime in the late '60's/early 70's that lived in the glovebox of my parent's cars for years. On any given page you would see corridors of dotted lines transversing the map with lettering overlayed in italics denoting "proposed freeway/bridge/tunnel/railway line" etc; they certainly had grand infrastructure plans back in those heady days (with Sydney's population having only been around a little over a million back then too), with only a fraction of them having ever been completed to this day.
You are correct. I still have the second Gregory's I ever had from around 40 years ago and it clearly indicates the corridor around Kogarah where this road was proposed to go. The Golf Club there would probably had a few extra holes by now if work had commenced !
Great video mate. I remember talk about the reserve at Port Hacking High being set aside for a motorway when I was a kid. Hundreds of acres of great land doing nothing. Always seemed silly
I use to be a regular on this road. Sometimes, just for fun, I would take a trip through the national park - it took twice as long but it was ten times as beautiful.
I live in the Sutherland shire, near where one of the public use strips are, and always wondered why this big wide strip of land was always vacant. I love how if you go onto Google earth you can clearly see the outline of where this freeway was meant to go. Very cool.
Great job.
Im working on the M6 stage 1 at the moment. Extremely busy with a very talented team of professionals.
Very informative video. good work.
Thank you!
Any word on stage 2 and 3?
I wish the M6 joined to Southern Cross Drive. It seems like a big miss.
well done.
I first became aware of this corridor in sixth class in 1972, playing cricket at Scarborough Park. I thought what a strange shape for a park?
When I opened up the trusty Gregories Street Directory and saw the "proposed Motorway", it all made sense.
In the 80's I commuted every day to Uni and cursed the traffic jams and lack of progress!
There were many creeks that were boxed in with besser-block culverts in the 1980s that ran through the park. Aside from that it never looked any different from 1932 when it was built as part of the depression relief work schemes. That is the cricket and rugby league/union areas. AFL was played in a different area of the park at Ramsgate on a lake that was filled in around 1978 opposite the school.
mate you are on fire, awesome video and very interesting to watch for a lifelong sydneysider.
Thank you!
grew up in the shire not far from captain cook bridge, played baseball in apsley baseball field, cricket in the fields behind port hacking high, walked my dog for years through the long stretches of land in kirrawee all the way up to the dog park in helena street. now i live and work a stone's throw away from huntley street in alexandria. my life would've been very different if the f6 expressway had been built! great video!
You need more recognition! Good job 👏
This is a verry good explanation of the F6 proposal. Keep up the good work!
You are one of the only people I've heard pronounce it correctly, as "Prince's" and not "Princess". Thank you so much.
Crazy dude, you took that Ultimo footage basically at my front door. I don’t know it’s just strange, I’ve never seen my area on a UA-cam video before lol!
I’m a nw Sydney born & bred. I just drove to Alexandria from south coast recently and found myself extremely discombobulated when I realised I was in MID DAY TRAFFIC & CONGESTION right next to the airport (1.5 hours later). For the most part the roads from Wollongong up to Heathcoath(NE)Picton(SW) are fine. But once you hit the suburbs it was hell.
Very good video! I love discovering all those aspect of city planning around us! Keep up the good work!
Geez you put some work into these! Greatly appreciated!
This channel give me abandoned explanations vibes without all the cool untouched time machines location's
He's sending you on a fun fact finding mission for a bit of DIY
@@nolesy34 I've explored a lot of places, this just gives those videos vibes of people that do it to make a video.
@@vortex925 yes its a very exciting vibe
Its the ...vibe
Brilliant presentation . Thank you for your hard work .
Your videos started well and are just getting better. This was so professionally packaged I’m not even gonna mention the mispronunciations, lol.
Everything is working: the maps, the still-photos, the history, and most of all the on-location video and sound.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! Haha the mispronunciations seem inevitable with me, I've always mispronounced even the easiest words so I have no hope with town names on the opposite side of the city to me 😆. Thanks for watching!
@@dynevor6327 McKeans Law states that any attempt to correct the grammar, spelling or punctuation of others will contain its own errors. One could add pronunciation. I’m pretty sure that since the 1980s it’s been accepted that Jervis Bay is pronounced with an “e”, the way Admiral John Jervis and his entire family have pronounced it for centuries. Yes, Australians affected to pronounce it Jarvis for ages, and yes, Jervis is widely pronounced Jarvis in Britain, but the admirals name wasn’t!
@@dynevor6327 I think what happens is that once people are told it’s pronounced Jarvis, they tend to think you have a special gem of wisdom that must be true and must be passed on to others. That was the case with me. But it’s refreshing to learn you’re wrong sometimes. Like, if you collected bank notes, it would be refreshing to learn that one in your collection was counterfeit. I’d kinda like that, even if it cost me money!
So much of language comes down to the battle between prescriptiveness and descriptiveness. I was introducing AFL with an English friend back in the day Chris Mainwaring was running riot for West Coast Eagles. The friend kept pointing out the naivety of the announcers for not knowing it was pronounced Mannering. Anyone who remembers Dads Army knows this little fact about the name. But the point was, Chris and his family pronounced it Mainwaring. The English upper-middle class affectation had, for generations, been ditched by the Aussies!
These videos are great, keep up the good work!
Great reporting and investigating Sharath. Subscribed, notifications turned on..I lived in Sydney 12 years until 2020 and its great to learn more about the past as well keeping up to date with the numerous infrastructure projects underway. Keep up your good work.
Fantastic work, interesting video.
Another fantastic video! Keep it up!
There is an SP2 reservation visible on the EPlanning portal that bypasses all of the suburbs to the east from Glenfield to Campbelltown.
I’m not too sure what road it was for but one clue is a tiny road between Pembroke Road and Leumeah Road named “Smiths Creek Bypass”.
Wow...I will definitely be looking into that for a future video!
This sounds like the Georges River Parkway, which I recall seeing listed as a proposed road in street directories made in the 1970's and 1980's.
Could have been the original alignment of the M5 due to how close it is to it
Love your work!
great video and information you presented
Wow your videos are great!! Very educational
Alot of effort and research mate, great work - i dont know why Im watching this though - but its freaking addictive!
Well done on another awesome video. Like others have noticed, they keep on getting better, from the shots you use, the editing, even your presenting skills.
Really happy that your doing something you enjoy
Thank you so much!!
"On ramp to the West Connex"- that is exactly what it is, an on ramp to a private toll road Network!
Brisbane with its freeway south to the Gold Coast is brilliant and almost seems to be what this video is about. Having lived in Sydney for decades, it was frustrating to travel through suburbia from the Sydney CBD before hitting the freeway to Wollongong. That’s where in Brisbane, immediately after leaving the CBD, you are on the freeway out of the city quickly.
Excellent review mate
Great video! Keep up the good work !
Loving the videos, keep it up!
Just discovered your channel a few days ago. You do some brilliant research mate, I'm really enjoying your videos!
I’ve always been fascinated by Sydney infrastructure. Loving your channel dude 🥰
Thanks for making these videos. You will inspire others to do the same. There is a real lack of content for Sydney infrastructure
Thanks mate, great video. I remember coming across this reservation one time exploring maps, I followed it back and forth but it's not till now that I got to learn all about it.
Good work mate enjoyed that
As an old bugger this and others have always fascinated me. Under Sydney is unknown to any one Government body electrical tunnels like the one from Pyrmont to Newtown a truck width wide and high. Etc keep it up great work.
Amazing work mate, grew up in this area and been to most of the parks in this path. I had no idea that it was meant to be a motorway
I always suspected that wide space between Captain Cook Bridge and the Port Hacking High School was part of something big, but now I know why!
I always wondered why! Nice vid dude!
thanks for sharing some history about the gong and sutho
Good work mate.
Fantastic groundwork and research here - love that you actually get out there to see the sites in the real, rather than google snooping - really interesting history too. I just love the new extension being built along the reserved alignment, except in a tunnel, and except it actually doesn't meet the rest of the motorway. It really is peak NSW Lib-Nat planning!
Yeah haha very typical, quite funny. Thanks for watching!
Another great video more 👏
Glad this popped up. Very interesting
The Prospect Highway in Blacktown has a similar story of a corridor left to be built to Seven Hills Rd instead of going around to Blacktown Rd & Wall Park Ave like it currently does
I guess it was a prospect that didnt pan out 🥁
At least they are currently widening the road and bridge down near the M4
@@tonydoggett7627 yes the nightworks are on.. take gwh if your able or... m7 i suppose to circumvent
If only you could selectively block certain roads on navigation
I remember using the old Gregories street directories back in the 80’s and they would quite often show proposed freeways. I lived at Marayong, the gregories showed the corridor for a proposed freeway around King Park / Quakers Hill, which is of course the m7. So if you can get your hands on some of these street directories they would be a great year by year reference on Sydney’s grouth. Love the channel keep up the great work.
Interesting vid. Cheers.
Great Vid!!!!
Love this episode
Funny you should mention the rock cuttings. The F3/M1 had virtually the same thing happen at Mount White. The link to Calga was meant to be temporary as the freeway was meant to start heading east towards Somersby and they built the same style of interchange (although less obvious now that they built a proper southbound carriageway) but they then abandoned the idea and routed the freeway east after Calga but the rock cuttings remain.
Yes, the original route was going to wind down and back up the valleys. This was no longer when they had the technology to build the high level bridge over Mooney Mooney Creek…Creek cost effectively
@@gregessex1851 Additionally, approval was refused by National Parks for that section that you are talking about at the Southern end of the bridge.
Because of the realignment; the bridge is built to the maximum design criteria (vertical curve), and thats why you can sometimes feel exposed and a little uncomfortable driving on it. Especially in rain and fog.
Of course its totally safe. Just not very comfortable and chill whilst driving down and up those massive bridge approaches.
Ah yes, I really want to make a video about that too, I know about that. It's the reason the super long off-ramp to the heavy vehicle station exists there. I'll be exploring that topic some time!
@@Thebibs In that era, an objection from National Parks didn’t stop a road in NSW. Fortunately attitudes have changed and the public would be horrified at the idea of building a 6 lane motorway through a National Park.
@@gregessex1851 True. This was only around 1990 though
Hey, excellent and high production stuff! On location shoots are great, I love how loud the roads are 😆 One proposal! You show the places where the road would have gone on location and on the map, which are excellent. To make it even better, I would propose drawing the approximate footprint of the motorway structure on still photos from street level to really drive home the physical impact of the speculative road.
I thoroughly enjoy your channel. Thank goodness most of this expressway was never built - at least above ground. It would have been a scar on Sydney, the wetlands behind Brighton, Monterey and Dolls Point, and on the Royal National Park. Yes indeed, the Captain Cook Bridge is majestic. Great video. Thank you.
Thank you for watching!! Very interesting seeing these different opinions. The majority are happy it was never built, but I have gotten the odd comment sad that the expressway was never built. A complex topic, and I hope are explored it with enough neutrality!
Thanks for you video! Only a tunnel will do now.
Fascinating! To think what could have been.. if only the second-oldest national park in the world wasn't in the way🙄
Sharath, I found this really interesting, as I used to travel down the F6 for holidays as a kid. Also, I lived in the Sutherland Shire for 27 years as an adult, so the proposed corridor part of the video also caught my attention.
I recently moved to southern Sydney and I was wondering how these parcels of land hadn't already been used for development. Thanks so much for this context.
Very good video and very good moustache.
Thank you!!
Grew up not far from the north end of Captain Cook Bridge. Love our parks and creeks in the F6 reserve. Soccer fields, places to house horses. Scout halls and all kinds of 'temporary' open areas made growing up in the area great.
those parks and the land in the reserve wouldn't exist if it wasn't for this expressway and the Captain cook Bridge wouldn't exist as well
6:20 I was travelling down to the tram museum just a week ago and I could see that weird green strip! I thought it was just a large urban park but wow!
This is such a fascinating channel. You have completed so much research.
Great video. Tolled or not, it needs to be built, and has needed to for the past 15 years. Brighton, Rocky Point Road and President Avenue all crumble during peak hours. It would have been great if the entire extension was built down to waterfall, bypassing heathcote and engadine, as they get super busy on weekends and holiday periods too. I am glad they are starting work, but yes stage 1 will be useless without the other 2 stages.
Totally agree. Sorry but these people now have a far worse congested and polluted streets thanks to nimbyism. And it will get worse and worse and worse.
Do you think at least stage 2 will be built from Kogarah to Loftus, as stage 1 is nearing completion next year. Logically I would think yes it is on the drawing board. What's the point doing stage 1 only... Tried to find out more from transport nsw however they never got back to me, so we don't know what will happen...
Tony Barker Reserve at Bay St Brighton was originally a depot for the local tram service from Rockdale station to the beach. I could be wrong, it's hard to find much information on it. I am local to the area and have known of the planned roads since I was a child (I saw them marked on road map books). I was very surprised to one day see the local skatepark fenced off and being removed followed by the works starting around Bay Street and President Ave. I honestly never thought the roads would be built.
Keep up the good work, your channel is very interesting.
Wow uploads quite frequent:)
hopefully the m6 stage 2 will fix the gap
Really well-presented show! I lived near part of the reserve that ended up as the M2 in the Hills in the '80s, it fascinated me that this had all been planned long ago...but Sydney's really gone freeway/tollway mad since then in my opinion. The car has dictated so much of how the city is shaped.
Sydney definitely favours cars more than anything else. They will build 2km of tramways and call it a day, while at the same time build 20km of highways at the same time
great video! this should be the High Speed Rail connection open cut and cover thru to the Gong.
@10:07 the narrator is seen standing by a four lane road at Kirrawee. I would speculate that this was part of the project, as it bypasses Sutherland, which is hemmed in by its shopping strip and railway infrastructure. It's is unimaginable in today's traffic the old Princes Hwy through Sutherland being the only through road.
Interesting video, thank you.
Awesome video mate. Incredibly descriptive and easy to understand. It's great to see stage 1 of the resurrected F6 (now M6) being built. I really hope stages 2 and 3 get built, as I am sure it will benefit all. The traffic at the moment from the Sydney CBD through the southern suburbs to the Loftus is quite a nightmare without any motorway. If the other two stages don't get built as well, I agree, stage 1 will just be a glorified entrance to WestConnex. Also, they should nickname the M6 as SouthConnex in my opinion, to fit in with the other two major motorway infrastructure Connex projects (WestConnex and NorthConnex).
I doubt it'll actually get badged as the M6, since there's already an A6. The former F3 isn't the M3, for the same reason. It'll be interesting to see what it actually does get badged as; I can't see any obvious answers.
@@nomadMik They are already badging it as the M6. When they announced construction of this project they specifically mentioned it would be called the M6 rather than the F6. And also, even though there is already an A6, I don’t see that as being an issue. The A6 is an arterial road, whereas the M6 is a motorway. For example, there is an A1 and M1, and an A8 and M8. They are different classifications of roads. Obviously if an M6 already existed that would be an issue.
@@Agent44996 Yeah, but the M1 leads to the A1-it's just highway 1-same with the M4 to A4, M15 to A15, M2 to A2, M31 to A31, and when they build the new harbour crossing, M8 to A8. But the M6 and A6 don't lead into each other. In fact, when you come up the A1, the A6 takes you to a completely different part of Sydney from what this apparent M6 will be. So if they badge it the M6, they'll be violating one of the stated principles when they renumbered the state's highways.
Also, it hasn't been badged yet-the road's barely started being built, so there are no signs, thus no badges. Nobody heard of the M8 while they were building it; it was branded Westconnex, and badged the M8 upon completion. There's plenty of time for them to realise that the 'M6' brand doesn't follow the new numbering system, and badge the road accordingly-assuming they do at all. e.g. Northconnex remains unbadged, even though the original plan was for it to be the M1, and the Pacific Highway along the North Shore to become the A11. I can only assume they realised that they'd either have to duplex the M2 to an arbitrary point (they don't like duplexing anyhow), or shorten the M2 and make it a weird stub of the M7, or just ditch the M2 badge altogether, and extend the M7 designation to Carlingford. I think that would've made the most sense, but I imagine the M2 toll operators were probably against it.
So I stand by my statement: it will be interesting to see what happens, and I doubt they'll badge it as the M6. Maybe they will, but then they'll have to explain what the point was of the expensive renumbering scheme they did 10 years ago.
@@nomadMik Yeah good point that is interesting how they’ll approach this issue. They have been calling it the M6 on the construction signs and pretty much anywhere you look, but then again they have until 2025 to reconsider this.
The high school mentioned (Port Hacking HS) was actually the high school I was going to go to. I am pretty familiar with the reserves and also hope that the m6 is upgraded as one big factor for me moving out of the area was the traffic heading south to Wollongong
Another “Lost Freeway” was the original plan for the Hume Highway/M5.
This was planned to bypass Liverpool to the South towards Glenfield (through Army land) then follow the George’s River (Western side) towards Kentlyn eventually joining the Appin Rd near Wedderburn (note Koala colony) before heading across to the M31/Hume Hgwy at Wilton.
This route was shown in the Gregory’s for many years
The original F6 also had a gap between the top of Bulli Pass and the southern end of the Northern Suburbs Distributer. The gap is filled by Mount Ousley Road which, as far as I know, is still not a Freeway.
Yes this is true. I'll do some investigating into that, haven't been able to work out the route but I've known about that complicated interchange for ages...
From what I was told it was originally it was planned to follow Rixons pass, and come out at Russell Vale near the golf course. My grandfather believed that due to mine subsidence it was never built.
A nice video. It does seem amazing now that there was a period where planners were happy to consume our city with roads at ground level. Just on Tempe Reserve - the former brickpit was used as a rubbish tip until around 1990, with the playing fields being part of the overall site remediation.
Up until the late 1970s there were open rubbish tips all over southern Sydney as opposed to the North Shore with just one refuse station at Belrose. There was an open rubbish tip at the end of O'Neill Street Brighton Le Sands where the tunnel will come out on both sides of the creek until 1977. There was also one next to the chemical factory at the end of Production Avenue South Kogarah that closed in the early 1970s. Coincidently they are both on the route for this freeway. There was also one at the Hurstville Golf Course at Mortdale I think if not there somewhere near Riverwood on Bonds Road near the M5 reserve.
@@RangaTurk There was also a landfill tip at the end of Westbrook Avenue in "exclusive" Wahroonga on the north side. In the 1960s it even had a (very smelly) facility for washing night soil pans. So it wasn't only the south side!
@@martinwallace5734Martin I've never been into that suburb only gone through it on the highway. It is interesting how there once was a cluster of late 1930s double brick unit blocks at Wahroonga on the highway near Pearces' Corner that far out of the inner city area. Some were demolished to make way for the freeway interchange. You are right that there are newer parts of that suburb that had other uses once but nothing on the scale of the former Tempe Tip the largest one of all now used for airport parking. There was also an open air landfill site in the 1970s at Chifley on the corner of Little Bay and Bunnerong Roads that is now sports fields.
More on Sydney's grand but forgotten freeways, please!
Nothing grand about them. And as the F6 nightmare shows, not forgotten.
Now I can blame the F6 for St Barnabas football getting kicked off Tempe Recreation Reserve
what i would propose is to upgrade the part of Princes Highway between the start of the Motorway in Waterfall & the end of the F6 at Loftus to a freeway so they both connect to each other.
thanks Mate for this Video I hate going to Sydney Airport from Wollongong by car its a nightmare i rather catch the train from Sutherland perhaps long term car parking in the outter suburbs and the train system would be a cheaper option. Going to NewCastle from Wollongong can sometimes bea nightmare i do dlike the bypassing the city via the Hume and the M7, M2 and Northconnex tunnel was time saver somewhat im still not sold on the M7 Orbital road concept as you waste more petrol then going straiight thru Prinices Hwy and up King Georgres Road kurstville and past Homebush bay and Top Ryde. well i do hope this new tunnel m6 will be the fuel saver to the north coast. thx for your video.
The first picture of Ultimo shows the Sydney TAFE mechanical engineering building on Mary Ann street. It was built with no windows and air conditioning because of the pending freeway construction.
The F6 from Waterfall to Bulli top was originally the M6 and did have a toll fee for many years when it first opened .
(As for the extension and cuttings your talking about at 11:51 is roughly where the original toll booth were on Waterfall end), Other Motorways which incurred a toll fee for many years were the m3 from the Crossroads to Campbelltown,
The M1 from Cowan to Gosford (now Cowan rest stop on the old pacific Hwy original position of the toll booths)
If you watch the Australian Movie Stone the Funeral procession was film on the M1 just after completion and before the tollway was officially opened to the public
I used to live in a house that the rta owns because it’s in the path of the proposed freeway on Bay Street at Brighton. You can see it at 6:23 on the map or at 7:18 I always thought it was to link up with Kingsford smith drive just before the airport tunnel, I didn’t know they initially wanted to tear so much stuff down
I remember a sign facing sydney bound motoristsat waterfall on a premade cutting heading to the park which said "possible extension of expressway" in the 1980s which disappeared slowly under growth, and then maybe removed recently. Jm