Storm Avoidance and Weather Routing: Atlantic Crossing Affected by Climate Change | Sailing Wisdom
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- Herby and Maddie discuss their tactics for storm avoidance while crossing the Atlantic. They discuss the gear they used and how they used it to better predict the weather and plan their route accordingly.
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Such good advice. There is obviously a general trend for all of us to become more connected and rely more and more on technology. We're measuring our footsteps, our heartbeats, how many miles on our bikes and while jogging. We're more and more sensitive to data and what a machine can tell us. While I think there's a place for that, listening to your body and seeing the actual world around you is priceless. The greater we learn to read the signs the more we'll be actually see, the more engaged we'll be, the safer we'll be out there. I will be digging deep into your blog. Thanks again guys.
It is so true. Humans are losing touch with their senses and abilities to listen to their bodies and the world around them. It was even an amazing experience to let go of clocks and measure our time with the sky. Is it lunchtime? Who cares, my body is hungry!
The more of your videos I watch, the more respect I have for the pair of you..
It's good to see a couple of youngsters not placing too much reliance on technology, instead putting their primary focus on old-fashioned seamanship skills and common sense. Kudos to you both!
Between this and your slightly quirky side, you're rapidly becoming my favourite cruising couple! Hopefully one day, our paths will cross out there somewhere.
Thanks JAFO! We would love to see you on the horizon some day!
Pinching in and out dodging squalls, I love every minute of it. I was on a trip with a captain that trusted the weather predictions the whole time, I gave my advise but had to sit back cause it was his boat and I don't argue when I am crew so we wound up having the motor running for nearly the whole trip from Ft Lauderdale to BVI's.. every goddamn weather forecast was wrong. You need to be able to read the weather for sure, cheers !
Forecasts are general assumptions for weather over large areas. They do show trends, but you have to read local weather where your at. I grew up by Lake Michigan and twenty minutes could be the difference between calm water to 3 foot white caps and gale force winds. The weather came mostly from the West and you were always watching the sky for changes because if you didn't pay attention Mother Nature could beat the heck out of you.
I really like channels like yours cause i want to sail someday and you guys are passing on very important information that i really need to know.
Glad it is helpful for you
Very interesting and helpful. I didn't realize weather patterns had changed so much, globally.
The Pilot Charts are the global weather for that month divided into 5 degree blocks, averaged over the past 180 years. They used to be a bible because if they said it would blow Force 4 from the east everyday on that month, it did! Now, the weather patterns can be months off in developing.
It’s sad because I talked with old sailors who would plan their entire journey on the pilot charts and have exactly that weather.
If I ever cross an ocean I want to do it with you two. I promise I'd be the best crew you could imagine! Herby's the boss!!!!
Great advice. I would also recommend monitoring the barometric pressure. I record the BP in the deck log on a regular basis. The barometers I favour are those that show the historical trend. They do not look very "nautical" but they are much more functional.
I looked into getting a barograph, but it was $1000!! So, I got a $60 barometer and simply write the pressure in the log at noon.
@@RiggingDoctor La Crosse makes some weather stations which track historical trends and cost less than $100. I have a couple of watches, Casio and Suunto, that track BP as well. There are also apps that track BP if your phone has a sensor.
Cool! I’ll check it out ;)
Every sailor should be an amateur meteorologist. It is very interesting and practical.
It’s a great skill to have!
Thanks for sharing this!
Well done and informative much better than others who rely on all the electronics. You have provided a real experience and sheared with us. I have sailed by dead reckoning with paper charts which enhanced the experience for me.
Thanks for the video guys, it was really helpful as a beginner sailor.
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Great advice well done. Looking forward to tomorrows episode. You two are great together. Stay safe and God bless.👍
Excellent comments and glad to hear that good old observations and common sense storm avoidance are still useful...as they have been for centuries.
Oh I forgot to ask about star navigation, I've only used that on a very basic way , mainly as something to steer by before autopilots or when racing at night , it's different than looking at the compass all the time.... cheers Warren
We used Polaris to confirm the our latitude with the sextant.
Other than that, we used them to verify that the windsteering had us on course. We would pick a constellation that was in easy view and keep an eye on it for our general heading.
One instance when the stars really helped out was when we were a day east of Bermuda. The compass turned 90 degrees to the south, which would mean that we turned hard to starboard. Before I corrected the course, I noticed that the moon was still on our bow which would mean that we didn’t turn to the South. In about an hour, the compass straightened out without anything prompting it.
Had we not verified our heading with the celestial bodies, we would have wandered very far off course!
Great video Herbie ( and maddie of course). Eric and Susan Hiscock who were the first people to ever do a film about cruising around the world in a small boat said in there books just as you did , read the weather and avoid storm. When asked what did they do in storms they said we were never in bad storms we always went the other way. They sailed for 50+ years , 3 different boats etc.
Oh... I was checking out you Patreon page , in the intro video you are so cute, young and innocent! 😀
(Young) Old salts now. cheers Warren
We filmed that back in Baltimore before we even left the marina! We want to make a new one, but it’s kind of cute how bright eyed and bushy tailed we looked ;)
This was a great idea ,to share what you guys learn what went right what went wrong, ect. Its been educational to say the least, in this segment, Herbie what are some of the titles you would recommend to learn to read the weather, the easiest to understand and still most informative?
“Weather” from the power squadron weather course.
It does a good job of summarizing single cell weather systems as well as pressure systems.
I know weather forecasts really don't tell you much after about three days. Three days is about all they can, with any accuracy, predict weather. Accuracy falls off dramatically after the third day. I gave you two what I found in my cruising guides, and it seems you went the route described, but the weather just happened to be what it turned out to be. I think the seasons have shifted two months to the right on the calendar.
We did the same passage from Bermuda to Azores 2010 in June. Twice a day we downloaded the grib files via Ham Radio and Pactor 3. With this information and looking to the sky we made it very safe in 18 days to Flores. We stayed the first week on the latitude of Bermuda, having 10-15 kn SW. Then a northern front stopped right above us, with heavy lightning but nearly no wind. I decided to go north passing under the front to get wind. There it was much colder, we headed to WNW till we touched 38°N. We got there stable winds again from SW to W but 2,5 days we had strong currance against us with 1,5 kn. We sailed aroud 5,5-6 knall day, but had less than 100 miles a day. the last three days we had light variable winds, 89 miles and 24 h before getting to flores we started our diesel to avoid a strong NE with 25kn, it arrived a few hours later Flores than us.
I won´t miss the grib files on longer passages, got by ham radio, to make my own decissions. And it´s free, when you have passed the examination.
Very cool! We were going to head up to 40N after Bermuda but the winds were odd and we stayed a little south of it for most of the voyage. Only at the end did we shoot north to 40*30’N to then descend on the Azores shortly thereafter.
i thought you could down load without the examination. Its receive only , no transmission. Other sailors are downloading grib file just on a regular cheapo SSB radio.
with an active ham radio you can choose the area you want download the grib files and till 5 days forward. I chose the hole northern atlantic in 5° square resolution to see the big weather systems and see huricanes and 1°resolution just 200 miles around the ship to make decisions about course for the next day. And you can send and get emails in the middle of the ocean @@pateallan7764
It was much harder to get to Lissabon than to the Azores, NE Winds for the last 5 days up to 30 kn.@@RiggingDoctor
@@SailingSquib yeah I figured you needed a Ham ticket to send anything. I need to get my ticket going again. I was a no code tech at one time. Its a goal of mine to talk while sailing. Seems like it would break the boredom too.
yep, i always wonder what kind of people left in case of apocalypses, after you say you use electronics only as backup i probably start see answer more clearly)
Re: you comments about weather patterns and climate change... As the weather becomes more extreme and unpredictable would you consider switching your sloop for a ketch?
While I do love multi-masted boats, I would not switch boats because this cutter is our home and we know her through and through.
Back when I was searching for a boat, I was looking for: (first) a schooner, (second) a ketch, (third) a cutter.
I really like the fragmented sail plan of these boats because it gives you more versatility when it comes to sail balance in various conditions.
A sloop, with the mast far forward and only two sails, may offer the best windward performance, you are limited in your ability to balance the sailplan as you reef down.
Herbie, if you're interested try looking at weather patterns of the 60's & 70's my buddy is a retired Navy weatherquesser he's a nerd on the stuff and told me about it..it's was interesting...
Maddie you always kick in something.. 😉
Thanks!
There is a free online meterology course (thinking Yale) that has marvelous cloud pictures, lecture videos, and quizzes, a nice 101.
You are spot on for forecasting. The problem with both weather and climate forecasting is they are dependant upon computer models. Computer models simplify everything as there isn't enough computer horsepower on the planet to model every condition. And, the biggest problem of all, they don't know what they don't know. New discoveries are being made that impact forecasting and predictions all the time.
As such, they should be guides but approached with skepticism. When the weather and climate people get their forecasts right 90% of the time, I'll start to trust them.
The real problem is that Mother Nature doesn't listen to their forecasts either, 8-)
It is a bit early in your trip to say that navigating only by the clouds is the way to go. As you reach Europe and on your future return to the USA, you will encounter some different weather patterns. Weather changes a lot at night and you cannot see the clouds formation. I would strongly recommend getting a forecast in graphical format on a computer screen so that you have a broad view of what is going on. You can receive the Grib files from your sat phone or from an SSB (Sailmail) system. The key is to be informed, you need data to take the best decision possible, two systems is better than only one. Yes, a forecast may be wrong but as they are revised 6 hours later then you can change your plan. Nowadays that the information is freely available, there is no excuse. When I see the coast guard going out at sea during a storm risking their lives to save others who went out without weather information, then I say it's wrong. Cheers, Richard
What book would you recommend in reference to cloud recognition/behavior? thanks
My favorite is “Weather” by the US Power Squadron
@@RiggingDoctor thanX
You might publish a sailor's guide to weather routing I hear...
I'm curious as to whether or not you guys have a exercise regime. Not that you're overweight but more for combating the loss of muscle mass
We didn't have a regime, but we did make some effort to exercise. Core work with planks and crunches, squats, and some yoga. It wasn't really enough though
Where do you get your papers charts for outside the U.S.? I am sailing for the Bahamas soon and so far I only finding low resolution charts.
I get all my paper charts at a cartography store in Baltimore, MD called Maryland Nautical. They have a website and can probably print and ship to you.
We get charts for our next leg every time we fly home to visit our family.
I've looked at clouds from both sides now. From up and down and still somehow its clouds illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all.
Hello nice video looking for the next saludos
What was your best reference for studying the clouds? Never mind, I'll check them out! Lol
Weather
ISBN 978-1-891148-86-6
Thumbs up for that hat. Very 70's Carnaby Street.
Right Herbie, if she's wearing that hat the answer is F.A.B. OK? (a bit like "groovy man").
At all other times the answer is ua-cam.com/video/YbY8iaYmTxY/v-deo.html
Seriously, Maddy. You look seriously good in that.
Do you think you could go for a 65 year old? Just ditch that other guy.
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To Maddy, happy valentines day
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Columbus made 4 trips with no radar, no weather planner and no engine. Thanks for your posts.
And Blackbeard sank QUEEN ANNE'S REVENGE with no radar, no weather planner and no engine.
I don’t think Blackbeard would have sailed the Queen Anne’s Revenge for very long over the diamond shoals, even with radar, weather, or even GPS!
Them some nasty waters!!
can you recommend any books to get started with.
Storm Tactics by Lin and Larry Pardey
Capable Cruiser by Lin and Larry Pardey
The Riggers Apprentice by Brion Toss
Sorry, for weather routing and reading clouds and current/future weather
Weather by the United States Power Squadron
It’s a good general look at cloud formations and the weather it will bring. It also goes into forecasting and reading weather charts.
It was a very comprehensive yet condensed book!
You might want to study how a Grand Solar Minimum (reduction in sun spots) would effect weather patterns. If what you are saying about patterns that were happening in June that were supposed to happen in May, this would make sense because the Sun is reducing its intensity and effecting the weather.
It’s wild how it all ties together!
The Grand Solar Minimum will have little effect on weather.
www.newscientist.com/article/dn24512-solar-activity-heads-for-lowest-low-in-four-centuries/
Are you telling me that my cartoon education doesn't apply anymore... or do you just have some personal problem with Bugs so you're dumping on him??? Seriously though, I don't know this kind of sailing at all but it seems to me that all prospective crossers should watch these summary vids. You work with less so have to know more and are forthright enough that you don't skirt over things for the wrong, or any, reason. I've watched a bit of other youtube sailors and their words of wisdom, and I fell for it, was to have a backup to the backup of the backup of the technology. Your words sound more wise to me now. Also, in respect to your discussion of your experience with rent a crew, you have to be frank and expressive to have people "notice" your experience and advise and if what you said was in the form of a PC essay it would not have inspired serious consideration on a critical topic. EVERY person that watched your rent a crew vid and read the ensuing "discussion" would then consider crew more seriously. Good work!
Yeah! I´ve been through few of your adventures in past and think its good to see how kids becoming sailors. At least you can present your points very well and natural, I should say. But this time I couldnt keep my mouth shot, as I couldnt listen this stuff further from the point where the skipper noted that he can see hundreds of miles at the sea and can make his decisions on weather routing this way. I only wish you luck with such attitude, youngsters. And for all other sailors here who is applauding to such joke I would like to call you to responsibility as other kids reading it too. Actually I believe you have gained the experience enough by now as you are still alive and nobody´s luck can last forever and probably would do some changes in your presentation here.
For other kids who is reading this I like to say that weather routing is science. You have got only first glimps of it learning the visible atmospheric formations and I really hope you go further and start appreciate the whole thing. Anything you are able to see and feel at the sea is only abt very short term speed gain purposes if you have to push. It got nothing to do with weather routing routine you are obliged and must go through few times a day. You can find lots of professional sailing school videos in youtube to get understanding what it really is.
I would'nt trust the weather man as far as I could throw him, or her. With most of my outlets using wind....like flying planes, skydiving, windsurfing and fishing I can tell you I've been disappointed more than I can say. Its very frustrating. I prefer the rock on a rope weather forecast method. Works every time.
I saw one at the RenFest in Maryland and almost died laughing!
Rock is wet: rain
Rock is moving: windy
Rock is gone: tornado 🤣🤣
Windytv app is super guys try it