I like to think Jack AI really was on Rhys's side until he connected to the network and found out what happened before he died, driving himself crazy in the process.
He got her hooked on that glowing shit and made her life dependent on it. Not to mention, he had her trapped in that godamn computer room for most of her life. Angel literally DIED cursing him.
His one redeeming quality morality wise was his care for his daughter imo. He locked her up yeah but if you listen to the audio logs in one of the side quests you learn that he did have to do it to keep her and others safe bc she couldn't control her powers. Yeah he used her for sure and had her using so much eridium her body became reliant on it but that doesn't mean he didn't care about her. Keep in mind very little is known about sirens especially in borderlands 2 from my understanding so I think it's logical to assume Jack just didn't know the dangers of pumping his daughter full of eridium. But even if he did he's so delusional he could very well care about his daughter and still do these awful things while thinking it's what's best for her. It's fantastic writing imo especially since you could argue Jack is actually the hero of borderlands 2s story even if his methods were fucked up entirely. Also side note he's not a psychopath they're incapable of caring about anybody but themselves and it's made clear he loved angels mom and was in a genuinely happy relationship with her before angel accidently killed her which sent him down this twisted path. He's narcissistic and completely delusional but definitely not a psychopath. (If that's not enough it's also said I think by moxxie herself that Jack actually was a good guy and treated her okay she only left him bc of his sociopathic tendencies were starting to show at that point and she knew she had to get out of there)
@@zgama6511 Yeap. Jack is the hole script of "If you fight monster for long, you too can become one" In the end he just want to keep his daughter safe and finish with all bandits on Pandora.. he just got lost in the process.. Sad history, amazing character.
Unfortunately telltale never gives us multiple endings it's why they went under unfortunately. People realized your choices don't actually do anything and they became trivial lol. This game was lit though I was hella annoyed siding with Jack and still getting betrayed it honestly didn't make much sense to me why he needed Rhys body when he could put the robot skeleton in anyone's body but it's whatever still a great game 😂
Man Jack sounds like he would make a great father and a hero but the way he acts is what shapes his title A drop of malice in virtues can warp others perspective
if jack got "shot to death by like five vault hunters" then that means kreig was probably off eating the 2nd wind rakks bbq'd over the lava that keeps coming up
could also imply that melee krieg is the only canon build but if gameplay and lore intertwine then a bandit pistol was kreigs weapon so in code it would count as shooting, i still vote he was having bbq rakkwings @@caveformations1337
Only part of the game that pissed me off was Jack betraying you for that even if you sided with him all game was so annoying and makes very little sense considering he could literally take any dude and get surgery to look and sound like himself he has zero need for Rhys and it's never explained. (Like seriously it would be no different the body doubles are exact replicas of jack like exactly other than their personalities which wouldn't matter so he doesn't need Rhys at all for that) not to mention Rhys has a prosthetic arm so he'd be losing a fucking limb as well unless they can regrow those which I mean they have machines that bring you back to life if you die in the actual lore of the game so probably but still that's just more work for Jack at that point.
@@zgama6511 it's Jack, also, if you listen to him, Jack was going to do that to EVERYONE, everyone was going to become Handsome Jack, his ultimate gift to them all.
@@codyraugh6599 I've played through every game with Jack in it multiple times and also watched multiple playthroughs of tales as well as beating it 3 different times myself and never once have I heard him mention anything about that. You can give him everything he ever wanted and he still betrays you which isn't like jacks character at all I mean a little but not in this way he's never needlessly killed his ally before Wilhelm happened bc he needed the vault hunters in 2 to bring back the spiked battery thing so he could take down sanctuaries shields. And Wilhelm was a lost cause anyways bc of his addiction he'd have gotten himself killed regardless whereas Rhys (the way I played him at least) was actually useful and got shit done and would have been jacks only real friend considering everyone else was dead or grasping for the power he left behind after he died in 2. I realize this is just telltale being telltale they went bankrupt bc in their choice based games your choices don't matter but still it's worth noting that jacks character in this makes no sense for certain endings. Like I said above jack could do this with literally anyone he wanted and he'd have his body, voice and face back like nothing ever happened yet for whatever reason he decides he wants rhys's body when that doesn't make sense if you side with him all game. I also find it funny that that ending wasn't added since you'd think this franchise would do anything to bring back their fan favorite bad guy (I hope to fuck they don't) and they had the perfect opportunity to let that happen if the player wanted it. I think most people agree telltale games kinda suck bc of this they're fun for the first playthrough but then you do a second and realize the other choices lead to the same exact outcome as the other just with different dialogue. Realistically all they had to do was like 3 or 4 diverse endings for their games where your choices actually take you somewhere different than the others and don't result in the same exact dialogue no matter what you choose especially if you're mean to a character all game and they still talk to you in a friendly way it really ruins the immersion.
Course AI Jack does not have all the originals memories since he was created in the pre-sequel before any of the events of Borderlands 2 kicks off. Of course, once he accessed Helios, he should have known that Angel was missing at least since one would think that the first thing he would do would be to covertly check the status of his Siren Daughter while Rhys was messing around in the office. That being said though, its entirely likely that the real Jack never left a record of Angel's death on Helios and so AI Jack would just have to go with 'missing' for the moment with a need to confirm if dead later mentality.
He knows he was constantly updating his memory thing or whatever it is that makes him the ai. This is most likely Jack just before he goes down to awaken the warrior not pre sequel Jack. (It's definitely not pre sequel Jack btw he has his mask which doesn't happen till the end of that game when he gets scarred and he has memories of the events of the second game and his daughters death he openly talks to Rhys about it in his office and later before you kill him for good talking about how bandits murdered his little girl)
Honestly, I wish there was security footage, that he coulda looked through after Helios went down or something like that, get this version of Jack's actual redemption before death. Something to put em at peace knowing all he was destined for, was for nought, and his own daughter couldn't live to see his own dad destroy himself, and others. Woulda been something... nice.
Sasha and Fiona secretly hated Rhys and they were using him the whole time. Thats why they dipped right after the vault was opened. He gave up his entire old life and killed almost all of his coworkers in an attempt to protect and be liked by them but it was all for nothing. Jack actually cared about the wellbeing of the employees there (in his own way).. Rhys betrayed jack in the worst way possible because he was so naive and he was being manipulated by two slimy scam artists that used him for financial gain. I can’t stand Sasha and Fiona for these very reasons. Sure, Jack did some very evil things in the past but at least there was a well intentioned cause as his motive. Sashas and Fionas motives were purely based on selfishness, envy and greed. Sasha and Fiona were put on a bounty for a good reason. They were running from their own consequences but expected Jack to face and perish for his own. Sasha and Fiona were wicked slimy hypocrites.. Sasha and Fiona are worse than bandits/Skags. They’re dangerous backstabbers that’ll pull the rug from anyone then play the victim whenever they’re called out for their crimes. Its pathetic. They’re not just villains but they’re the most pathetic kind of villains. Who knows how many lives they ruined. So far we know they ruined August’s, Rhys’s, Hugo’s, Scooters, Vaughn’s, Jack’s, Finch’s, Shade’s, Kronger and The entire Hyperion space stations lives. (or created a chain of events that killed them) Sasha, Felix and Fiona are the most destructive characters in the entire series. Jack was right when he attempted to “shoot at Rhys’s friends” at Atlas. They were worse than bandits. Rhys’s canon loyalty to them was the worst decision he ever made in his entire life.
It’s as simple as him just making an android of himself and uploading that ai onto it really but we can’t have that. If it’s cannon that he did keep the ai after taking it out then there’s hope for a future title. (Haven’t played the third game so I wouldn’t know if there was anything in there regarding to tales of the borderlands)
@@SuppressedSoldat in borderlands 3, you have vaughn leading bandits on pandora, and rhys leading atlas (with zero working for him), as for fiona and sasha, they are nowhere to be seen in b3 (in tales from the borderlands 2 sasha is mentionned, and fiona is a narrator at the end, just like marcus) but nothign about jack AI, even tough we have a dlc about a jack clone (the one we play in the pre sequel)
I like to think Jack AI really was on Rhys's side until he connected to the network and found out what happened before he died, driving himself crazy in the process.
Even though he's a psychopath, it's actually kinda sad he still cares about his daughter so much even though he knows she betrayed him
He cared about her only in a narcissist way. In reality he tortured her to a point where she begged for death.
He got her hooked on that glowing shit and made her life dependent on it. Not to mention, he had her trapped in that godamn computer room for most of her life.
Angel literally DIED cursing him.
His one redeeming quality morality wise was his care for his daughter imo. He locked her up yeah but if you listen to the audio logs in one of the side quests you learn that he did have to do it to keep her and others safe bc she couldn't control her powers. Yeah he used her for sure and had her using so much eridium her body became reliant on it but that doesn't mean he didn't care about her. Keep in mind very little is known about sirens especially in borderlands 2 from my understanding so I think it's logical to assume Jack just didn't know the dangers of pumping his daughter full of eridium. But even if he did he's so delusional he could very well care about his daughter and still do these awful things while thinking it's what's best for her. It's fantastic writing imo especially since you could argue Jack is actually the hero of borderlands 2s story even if his methods were fucked up entirely.
Also side note he's not a psychopath they're incapable of caring about anybody but themselves and it's made clear he loved angels mom and was in a genuinely happy relationship with her before angel accidently killed her which sent him down this twisted path. He's narcissistic and completely delusional but definitely not a psychopath. (If that's not enough it's also said I think by moxxie herself that Jack actually was a good guy and treated her okay she only left him bc of his sociopathic tendencies were starting to show at that point and she knew she had to get out of there)
@@zgama6511 Yeap. Jack is the hole script of "If you fight monster for long, you too can become one" In the end he just want to keep his daughter safe and finish with all bandits on Pandora.. he just got lost in the process.. Sad history, amazing character.
god I wish there was a full side with Jack and rule Hyperion ending 😩
I do too. At least as a non-canon secret ending. Sadly most telltale games only end one way no matter how you play it.
Unfortunately telltale never gives us multiple endings it's why they went under unfortunately. People realized your choices don't actually do anything and they became trivial lol. This game was lit though I was hella annoyed siding with Jack and still getting betrayed it honestly didn't make much sense to me why he needed Rhys body when he could put the robot skeleton in anyone's body but it's whatever still a great game 😂
Man
Jack sounds like he would make a great father and a hero but the way he acts is what shapes his title
A drop of malice in virtues can warp others perspective
26:15 he was not letting that one slide 😂😂
Only jack can save the borderlands franchise
No thanks these new writers ruined every other character don't let them ruin Jack too 😂
He basically tried to Freddy Fazbear everyone, except it’s kinda in reverse. Instead of putting you into a suit, he was gonna put a suit into you.
if jack got "shot to death by like five vault hunters" then that means kreig was probably off eating the 2nd wind rakks bbq'd over the lava that keeps coming up
i win
They probably didn't recognize him as a vault hunter, considering he was a psycho.
could also imply that melee krieg is the only canon build but if gameplay and lore intertwine then a bandit pistol was kreigs weapon so in code it would count as shooting, i still vote he was having bbq rakkwings @@caveformations1337
To be fair I'd imagine Krieg primarily uses his buzz axe more often than a gun in canon
Still don’t get why he needs Ryze body…he could of just kept some trust and it would of been fine till the vault hunters find out anyways
lazy writing to avoid giving the player options
Because... He's Jack. Even if you choose to be with him all the way through you can't win.
Nah. He wanted Rhys body in particular because he was linked to the gortys project and he knew he couldn’t access the vault without Rhys.
If only jack realized he can just digistruct his body and physique onto that robot instead of that crazy idea
Or do the equivalent of a Humagear
Only part of the game that pissed me off was Jack betraying you for that even if you sided with him all game was so annoying and makes very little sense considering he could literally take any dude and get surgery to look and sound like himself he has zero need for Rhys and it's never explained. (Like seriously it would be no different the body doubles are exact replicas of jack like exactly other than their personalities which wouldn't matter so he doesn't need Rhys at all for that) not to mention Rhys has a prosthetic arm so he'd be losing a fucking limb as well unless they can regrow those which I mean they have machines that bring you back to life if you die in the actual lore of the game so probably but still that's just more work for Jack at that point.
@@zgama6511 it's Jack, also, if you listen to him, Jack was going to do that to EVERYONE, everyone was going to become Handsome Jack, his ultimate gift to them all.
@@codyraugh6599 I've played through every game with Jack in it multiple times and also watched multiple playthroughs of tales as well as beating it 3 different times myself and never once have I heard him mention anything about that. You can give him everything he ever wanted and he still betrays you which isn't like jacks character at all I mean a little but not in this way he's never needlessly killed his ally before Wilhelm happened bc he needed the vault hunters in 2 to bring back the spiked battery thing so he could take down sanctuaries shields. And Wilhelm was a lost cause anyways bc of his addiction he'd have gotten himself killed regardless whereas Rhys (the way I played him at least) was actually useful and got shit done and would have been jacks only real friend considering everyone else was dead or grasping for the power he left behind after he died in 2. I realize this is just telltale being telltale they went bankrupt bc in their choice based games your choices don't matter but still it's worth noting that jacks character in this makes no sense for certain endings. Like I said above jack could do this with literally anyone he wanted and he'd have his body, voice and face back like nothing ever happened yet for whatever reason he decides he wants rhys's body when that doesn't make sense if you side with him all game. I also find it funny that that ending wasn't added since you'd think this franchise would do anything to bring back their fan favorite bad guy (I hope to fuck they don't) and they had the perfect opportunity to let that happen if the player wanted it. I think most people agree telltale games kinda suck bc of this they're fun for the first playthrough but then you do a second and realize the other choices lead to the same exact outcome as the other just with different dialogue. Realistically all they had to do was like 3 or 4 diverse endings for their games where your choices actually take you somewhere different than the others and don't result in the same exact dialogue no matter what you choose especially if you're mean to a character all game and they still talk to you in a friendly way it really ruins the immersion.
@@cybershoutmon9741 Kamen rider Zero 1 reference i like it
Course AI Jack does not have all the originals memories since he was created in the pre-sequel before any of the events of Borderlands 2 kicks off. Of course, once he accessed Helios, he should have known that Angel was missing at least since one would think that the first thing he would do would be to covertly check the status of his Siren Daughter while Rhys was messing around in the office. That being said though, its entirely likely that the real Jack never left a record of Angel's death on Helios and so AI Jack would just have to go with 'missing' for the moment with a need to confirm if dead later mentality.
No he remembered.
He knows he was constantly updating his memory thing or whatever it is that makes him the ai. This is most likely Jack just before he goes down to awaken the warrior not pre sequel Jack. (It's definitely not pre sequel Jack btw he has his mask which doesn't happen till the end of that game when he gets scarred and he has memories of the events of the second game and his daughters death he openly talks to Rhys about it in his office and later before you kill him for good talking about how bandits murdered his little girl)
Honestly, I wish there was security footage, that he coulda looked through after Helios went down or something like that, get this version of Jack's actual redemption before death. Something to put em at peace knowing all he was destined for, was for nought, and his own daughter couldn't live to see his own dad destroy himself, and others. Woulda been something... nice.
i actually appreciate the anotations
Man imagine if New Tales was as good as the original
Sasha and Fiona secretly hated Rhys and they were using him the whole time.
Thats why they dipped right after the vault was opened. He gave up his entire old life and killed almost all of his coworkers in an attempt to protect and be liked by them but it was all for nothing.
Jack actually cared about the wellbeing of the employees there (in his own way).. Rhys betrayed jack in the worst way possible because he was so naive and he was being manipulated by two slimy scam artists that used him for financial gain.
I can’t stand Sasha and Fiona for these very reasons. Sure, Jack did some very evil things in the past but at least there was a well intentioned cause as his motive.
Sashas and Fionas motives were purely based on selfishness, envy and greed. Sasha and Fiona were put on a bounty for a good reason. They were running from their own consequences but expected Jack to face and perish for his own.
Sasha and Fiona were wicked slimy hypocrites.. Sasha and Fiona are worse than bandits/Skags. They’re dangerous backstabbers that’ll pull the rug from anyone then play the victim whenever they’re called out for their crimes.
Its pathetic. They’re not just villains but they’re the most pathetic kind of villains. Who knows how many lives they ruined. So far we know they ruined August’s, Rhys’s, Hugo’s, Scooters, Vaughn’s, Jack’s, Finch’s, Shade’s, Kronger and The entire Hyperion space stations lives. (or created a chain of events that killed them)
Sasha, Felix and Fiona are the most destructive characters in the entire series. Jack was right when he attempted to “shoot at Rhys’s friends” at Atlas. They were worse than bandits.
Rhys’s canon loyalty to them was the worst decision he ever made in his entire life.
Jack has experience at being used by “friends”
realistically there probably would’ve been another way for jack to come back but y’know. plot.
It’s as simple as him just making an android of himself and uploading that ai onto it really but we can’t have that. If it’s cannon that he did keep the ai after taking it out then there’s hope for a future title. (Haven’t played the third game so I wouldn’t know if there was anything in there regarding to tales of the borderlands)
Maybe when the vault hunter kills Jack in bl2
That was a fake double body Jack
When the real one still alive
@@SuppressedSoldat in borderlands 3, you have vaughn leading bandits on pandora, and rhys leading atlas (with zero working for him), as for fiona and sasha, they are nowhere to be seen in b3 (in tales from the borderlands 2 sasha is mentionned, and fiona is a narrator at the end, just like marcus)
but nothign about jack AI, even tough we have a dlc about a jack clone (the one we play in the pre sequel)
Could the characters on the side talk any louder over Jack