Subtlety Rogue PvE Guide - Patch 7.2.5

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  • @ExiledPowerUS
    @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому +5

    For any comments related to my SoD usage (in the opener,) my pot usage, the vanish bug, or the upcoming nerfs to the Sub legendaries, please see 30:14 in the video. - Marty

    • @merrk2013
      @merrk2013 7 років тому

      hello just started a sub rogue having a hard time managing energy any tips? even just during times where everything is on CD and i am hitting backstab over and over to build up to envis i run out of energy during that time

  • @anonymousa7995
    @anonymousa7995 7 років тому

    I have been watching a few rogue guides today and man... This by far is the best one. Really helped me understand the class without making it super confusing, thanks for that.

  • @bojnebojnebojne
    @bojnebojnebojne 7 років тому +1

    This is probably the best guide by far for Subtlety rogue, easy to understand, good breakdown of stuff. and good scenario variation descriptions. Great vid man!

  • @wesleynelson753
    @wesleynelson753 7 років тому

    Great guide! I really appreciate you taking the time to make this. You've done a great job explaining everything without it being too complicated. Other videos I've watched are far to complicated and don't do a good job of breaking it down to a basic level. Yours was simple, so thank you for that!

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      Thanks, I appreciate the support. - Marty

  • @FlareForce1
    @FlareForce1 7 років тому +2

    Nice Guide, as a former rogue player im really tempted to start one again.

  • @feedexinfinity8055
    @feedexinfinity8055 7 років тому

    Amazing guide, Sub rogues are really complicated but your video explains everything perfectly, marvelous

  • @tripnils7535
    @tripnils7535 7 років тому +4

    Thanks for your guide man. Just leveled up my rogue since i got bored of my demon hunter. Coming from a 3 button class to rogue it's a very fun playstyle. I was a bit overwhelmed at first, but your video cleared things up.

    • @SuperJay916
      @SuperJay916 7 років тому +3

      Trip Nils I'm coming from a rogue now going to play a demon hunter. You-motivate me to play one bc of the 3 button spam lol

    • @Sneakingsam
      @Sneakingsam 7 років тому

      If you're only pressing 3 buttons you are not playing dh right lol

    • @Ceyana
      @Ceyana 7 років тому

      Are you really trying to tell me that it's not?

  • @Sl4ym4tr14
    @Sl4ym4tr14 7 років тому +4

    Great video, I was really confused about this spec, it really needs a lot of practice, but since my first leggo were the shoulders I guess that's the spec I'm sticking with. Videp helped out a lot :)

  • @TheFitDragon
    @TheFitDragon 7 років тому +1

    Just returned to Rogue and I was sin before, Sub changes over the past few patches have made it my new favorite class. Getting hotkeys right and weak auras proper is still a bit of a challenge but it's going to work out just fine. My issue with the class is finding groups. I am competitive and like to push my characters dps and so heroic / mythic raid content is something that always presents challenges. Finding a group not so much but finding a group of players I actually enjoy playing with. Thank you for the informative video.

  • @lacrosseguy108
    @lacrosseguy108 7 років тому +6

    this is exactly what i needed thanks alot. been playing assassination since the xpac same out and have not touched sub at all besides the hidden skins haha

  • @tommyc4641
    @tommyc4641 7 років тому +1

    Brilliant video. Very thorough and informative.

  • @DonaldMurf
    @DonaldMurf 7 років тому

    Nice Video. Really good job of explaining theory. I really like the the bar on the top and how you break the video down to segments.

  • @AerodynamicAlex
    @AerodynamicAlex 7 років тому

    Huge thanks for this guide. I really understand the burst windows now, great job Marty, thanks again!

  • @dankmeme5196
    @dankmeme5196 7 років тому +1

    really good quality video man ! im levelling my rogue for the first time since legion because of this video Thankyou :)

  • @twotoeMJ
    @twotoeMJ 7 років тому +9

    Great video Marty! Thanks man. Keep up the good work.

  • @Jowsh84
    @Jowsh84 7 років тому

    Dude..solid vid. Thanks for a thorough breakdown with each topic.

  • @Hefo04
    @Hefo04 7 років тому

    the best overall guide I've ever seen on aby class .. man ur awesome!

  • @markkronner6113
    @markkronner6113 7 років тому

    Great Vid man! I just came back to playing during 7.2.5 and trying to make the move to sub this video made things simple =D

  • @Crazigloo
    @Crazigloo 7 років тому

    Small change I would add to future videos concerning openers; highlight your CP generators, spenders, and cooldowns in different colours. Helps the brain "chunk" the info. I found myself practicing your 21-step opener in seperate segments - all of which ended in Eviscerates/Night Blades.

  • @nerdwhitenerd
    @nerdwhitenerd 7 років тому

    Thank you so much! I love my rogue and have played him since vanilla. Took a break from the class to check out demon hunter (i know im sorry! please forgive me!:) and played that for basically all of legion, but now i want to return to my rogue once again. This guide REALLY helped with getting started!

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      That's awesome. Really glad I could help. Good luck with your rogue! - Marty

  • @idubbztv223
    @idubbztv223 7 років тому +1

    Great video! Is there any way I can see the ui adding you're using to aid you for Sub rogue?

  • @dazzamuffin1
    @dazzamuffin1 7 років тому

    hi Marty
    great video , i was looking at setting up a rouge yesterday but after watching 10 or so vids on sub rouge it put me off as it was to hard lol. your guide is clears and precise so im going to give sub a go now thank you

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      I appreciate that. Good luck! You'll get it with some practice. - Marty

  • @yannicholz7556
    @yannicholz7556 7 років тому

    Thats the first Rogue Guide that rly helped me lol

  • @themindaheshan1116
    @themindaheshan1116 5 років тому

    Bro thank u ,i was doing terrible dps now i burst 2.5M + and 1M cont for sure . Ur guide id ez af to understand . Thanx again love u 😘😘😘😘

  • @juanrondon4366
    @juanrondon4366 7 років тому

    Great video, was hoping to get a link to the tmw or WA you use for all your cds in the middle of the screen. Thanks.

  • @deathscar9910
    @deathscar9910 7 років тому

    Exactly what i was looking for, great video

  • @kellytheos9858
    @kellytheos9858 7 років тому

    Excellent guide. Thank you so very much!!!

  • @noone370
    @noone370 7 років тому +1

    Great guide! Thanks! :)

  • @XibalbaFilms
    @XibalbaFilms 7 років тому

    that is a beautiful opener. nice video I learned a lot. thank you

  • @niickerstar
    @niickerstar 7 років тому

    @16 minutes for example when you see all your major cooldowns on your screen is that an add-on? would come in handy for me if it is.

  • @siferuk
    @siferuk 7 років тому +3

    Just what i was looking for, thanks a lot, great video!

  • @tassiopbc
    @tassiopbc 7 років тому

    Great video, would it be possible to share the weakaureas?

  • @ughitstravis9243
    @ughitstravis9243 7 років тому

    It's a fairly complex spec then! But you make it simple to understand thank you.

  • @MrKylesgj
    @MrKylesgj 7 років тому

    Great video! Any chance you could link your elv ui strings please

  • @Andersson-wh7tv
    @Andersson-wh7tv 7 років тому

    What for relic do you recomend? increase critical strike on evisc for 30% or increase shadowstrike by 20%

  • @Jdockery007
    @Jdockery007 7 років тому

    anyway you c an list the addons your using? the rogue combo bar, the energy bar title frame and also the combat font addon?

  • @adamn2993
    @adamn2993 7 років тому

    So following your build, what rotation do you recommend using in the hit crit shoulder window with a vanish that is not used in your opener?

  • @Space_Brains
    @Space_Brains 7 років тому +1

    Concise guide. Thanks.

  • @HTOlsen
    @HTOlsen 7 років тому

    Fantastic guide, man. Detailed and well explained. Where would you put the Specter-trinket in the opener?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      Somewhere around the first SD. - Marty

  • @Asturien1337
    @Asturien1337 7 років тому

    Such a great Video. I am currently debating on maining rouge, they fit all my criteria on what I look for a in a raid toon. However one thing I have never played melee and would honestly way I don't feel like I have ever played such a complicated class. Do you think that someone who strives to consistently get cutting edge would be able to pick up a rouge and be mythic ready in between a single raid tier?

  • @Agencetouristes
    @Agencetouristes 7 років тому

    that was actually a pretty good guide very celar i learned a lot thanks you :)

  • @godsfighter1367
    @godsfighter1367 7 років тому +1

    What addon do you use to get that health bar and track your cds next to it?

  • @hoschiyoshi
    @hoschiyoshi 7 років тому

    Hi, really a great guide! Thanks for that:)
    Would you mind to put your weakauras in the description?
    They could really help me managing all the cooldowns :)

  • @koblyha
    @koblyha 7 років тому

    Hello I am new in subtlety spec after really long period like an Assa and have a problem :) in Shadowdance burst window I can use only two Shadow strikes and one Eviscerate not SS,SS,EVis,SS like you.. dont know what i am doing wrong ... my stats: crit 32, haste 10, mastery 86, versa 8 .. ilvl 892 .. no legies

  • @akpunisher15
    @akpunisher15 7 років тому

    Hey @ExiledPower, I'd love to know what addons you are using to track your cooldowns next to your health plate? DfA, SD, GB, Vanish and SofD

  • @meatmanfantastico8
    @meatmanfantastico8 7 років тому

    I know everyone is saying rogues are legendary dependant but nobody seems to be throwing numbers out there. I don't have the 2 best leggos and am wondering how much of an increase I will see if I ever do get them, currently I only have KJ's burning wish and soul of the shadowblade, with the crafted boots. please any info would be wonderful

  • @robotk2rd123
    @robotk2rd123 7 років тому

    awesome guide man just subscribed . just got back to sub after i played it casual in 7.2, is there any way i get a hand on ur UI, more importantly ur WA's for SoD, nightblade etc.?

  • @Slipknoth1260
    @Slipknoth1260 7 років тому

    Wouldnt it make sense to SoD & Shadow Dance at the same time (macro’d) while midflight DFA?

  • @ryanevezard9824
    @ryanevezard9824 7 років тому

    Hey man awesome video!! Would you be able to link what addons you are using for your UI and the settings (specifically the ones showing major cooldowns and debuf timers)? :)

  • @albonkergoon692
    @albonkergoon692 7 років тому

    Great Guide!

  • @BlackChucks
    @BlackChucks 7 років тому

    Any plans to post up the TMW profile? 😁

  • @jonathanbernal7134
    @jonathanbernal7134 7 років тому

    First off GREAT guide!! Thanks for the hard work! Had a question though. There are times when i have my SoD coming off CD. But my nightblade is about to run out. Should i build back up to 5-6 CP and nightblade or should i go straight into the DfA combo without a nightblade buff on target?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      You should never run into this. To avoid it, you should refresh your NB in the CP cycle before that one. If you are going to run into that, just refresh NB instead of that last Evis you used. Its better to replace like an 8 sec NB than run into that. - Marty

  • @delltronzero
    @delltronzero 7 років тому

    Great video. Your recommendation of Old War as opener pot flies in the face of all other guides I've seen and the prevailing opinion on Discord. Can you confirm?
    Edit: I see your addendum at the end of the video explaining more. Thanks.

  • @Myscune
    @Myscune 7 років тому

    One question I have is why not take Marked for Death? You said the 50% stronger eviscerate was why DfA was better but wouldn’t being able to cast 2 eviscerates one after another essentially be a 100% stronger one? Is it just cause the cd is longer?

  • @porter73
    @porter73 7 років тому

    Great video man thanks. How come tier 20 has so much haste on it?

  • @bmbrock88
    @bmbrock88 7 років тому

    Great video! I'm new to rogue and this helped... Any chance we can get your weakauras?

  • @elzaanvandermerwe1642
    @elzaanvandermerwe1642 7 років тому +3

    Hi, where can i find the weakauras that you are using?

  • @raulfernandezperez73
    @raulfernandezperez73 5 років тому

    ohh dude i finally got the rotation for this, i was playing outlaw in 7.1.5 and now its even worst in this patch i struggle to maintain 700k ST and i have both BIS legendaries and im 913 ilv, once i get the bracers in subt it will be really fun

  • @jirizalubil7848
    @jirizalubil7848 7 років тому

    Hello do you have some sims comparison? Im away from home so I cant test it myself...

  • @talldarkandhandsomeproduct1532
    @talldarkandhandsomeproduct1532 7 років тому

    Thank you for the video!

  • @alaindaher1611
    @alaindaher1611 7 років тому

    Thanks for the guide, I was wondering what to do after the opener when everything is on cd but you have dances every few finishers. Do you save a shadow dance + symbols for every time dfa is coming off cooldown or just use what you have on cd? Thanks again for the guide it helped a lot

  • @Hateplow
    @Hateplow 7 років тому

    Hey i was wondering are you using weakauras or tell me when for you trackers ?

  • @jacobwoodhouse1909
    @jacobwoodhouse1909 7 років тому

    Hey how do you get it so you have the action bar where you have shadow dance, symbols ect?

  • @kit3505
    @kit3505 7 років тому

    Hey! Awesome guide. I have one small question. How do you have both shadowstrike and nightblade on the same button? Tried making a macro but it I can't get it to change picture and tooltip when shadowstrike is available.

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      Not sure what you mean, I don't have those abilities on the same button. - Marty

  • @CT-si7bw
    @CT-si7bw 7 років тому

    great video! do you have a profile for your Tell me When trackers?

  • @moisesgonzalez9671
    @moisesgonzalez9671 7 років тому

    Men thank you so much really helping me a Lot great video

  • @beorngare
    @beorngare 7 років тому

    Hi, your WA seems pretty nice. Is it possible to find it somewhere?

  • @ForceFieldFTW96
    @ForceFieldFTW96 7 років тому

    good guide! one question, why do you use your first shadow dance for an eviscerate instead of a dfa combo?

  • @CelticCrow
    @CelticCrow 7 років тому

    great guide :-) just one question, what about tier sets? I reactivated my Rogue, he had 4 set from nighthold, and now I changed to 4 set ToS. And I realized how comfortable the 2 set from nighthold was. without the longer nightblade duration I often see the situation that Nightblade run out too fast and I have to delay my burst window because of that. Do you think double 2set is better to play than 4set t20? I "only" have the Shoulder legendary and the Satyr Boots, so unequipping shoulder for a tset shoulder is not an option right now, to get 4 set t20 AND 2set t19 :-/

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      T20 with Lego shoulders is better than 2p 4p even though it's less comfortable. Some people try that build but it's not simming as the top build and to pull it off you need high Ilvl nighthold tier (915+). I agree having nighthold 2p feels better, but you have to be in a very particular situation to try it. - Marty

  • @stefanromanski8597
    @stefanromanski8597 7 років тому

    nice guide, keep up the good work. can i download your WeakAura anywhere? and did 7.3 affect the build?

  • @StablestKnightGaming
    @StablestKnightGaming 7 років тому

    Do you have your weak auras posted? I have a bad weak auras set up and would like to see yours

  • @waterface111
    @waterface111 7 років тому

    Hello Exiled. great guide ! I have a question tho. Do you try to use DFA with as many combo points stacked as possible? or you just use it as soon as everything lines up with maybe 1-2 combo points ? i mean,should I aim for that or just use on CD as soon as everything comes off cooldown? thank you!

  • @michellecoronel4166
    @michellecoronel4166 7 років тому

    Do I only want to use DFA during burst or can I use it whenever it's up?

  • @blakehager4627
    @blakehager4627 7 років тому

    What WeakAura do you use to track all of that? Could a link be possible?

  • @IMdeadstone
    @IMdeadstone 7 років тому

    Heya dude, was wondering if there's any chance you share your WeakAuras :) they're big enough to notic everything :)
    Great video, great work. thank you !

  • @Leeterthanthou
    @Leeterthanthou 7 років тому +4

    whats your weakaura?

  • @OmarElMossalamy
    @OmarElMossalamy 7 років тому

    After using DFA and shadowdance followed by the first shadow strike Im usually energy deprived for the second shadowstrike. Anyone else? Im I going through the rotation too fast for the opener?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      It can be tight on energy. I like to take advantage of the belf passive here. With some practice I think you'll work these timings out. If you really can't get it right now, just wait 2 seconds before you vanish. Shouldn't be that big of a loss, and should help with that. - Marty

  • @ryangorgoni7602
    @ryangorgoni7602 7 років тому

    hey great guide! about to start leveling my rogue and def gonna go sub! random question- what font are you using? thats exactly what im looking for.

  • @punch4freedom
    @punch4freedom 7 років тому

    wasnt it always crit>vers>mastery or am i just plain out wrong?

  • @1992Macic
    @1992Macic 7 років тому

    where did you find that weakauras? please need it now!

  • @chrillea9685
    @chrillea9685 7 років тому

    Really awesome guide it did help me alot :D

  • @ZaxMan3D
    @ZaxMan3D 7 років тому

    Got a vid on addons you use to trach stuff?

  • @Sneakingsam
    @Sneakingsam 7 років тому

    Just started playing my old sub rogue again lvl 90 and I do this rotation and have the same talents with heirloom gear yet I am only doing about 8k dps in dungeons, what do you think i'm doing wrong?0

  • @nikolanikolic615
    @nikolanikolic615 7 років тому

    when should i pop kj trinket? at opener

  • @jprez1219
    @jprez1219 7 років тому +1

    is it possible to get a link to your weakauras?

  • @legatox8
    @legatox8 7 років тому

    With lego shoulders, wouldn't it be better to switch 11,12,13 in your opener rotation to Shadowstrike, Vanish, Shadowstrike->DFA->Dance rotation? Currently it would be banking on shadow techniques for the 6th combo point for the dfa instead of guaranteeing 6 from the two Shadowstrikes.

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      Yes that is a common way to do it. I go back and forth on this. The ST essentially always procs there and so it's not s real problem. I do it for energy reasons. Without lust it can be hard to get it all in. After I land and do the two SS sometimes I short on energy to hit the evis your way. But in short, yes that is a popular way to open and viable. - Marty

    • @legatox8
      @legatox8 7 років тому

      After testing it over and over again on training dummy, I wasn't seeing any issue with hitting the 6 before dfa with the st proc, so more than likely it's overcapping combo points doing it with the SS->vanish->SS->DFA. They were roughly the same damage as well. I didn't see any energy issue though, actually came close to overcapping at points.
      Outside of opener on single target, do you prefer vanish->SS->DFA or just vanish-DFA?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      I prefer van dfa if you don't use the bug. But with the bug it's better to use SS first. - Marty

  • @TheKebobman
    @TheKebobman 7 років тому

    Is there a posibillity to lay my hands on your UI and WA ?

  • @jarheadhustler7542
    @jarheadhustler7542 7 років тому

    Can you post a video on your Weak Aura like a how to

  • @lacrosseguy108
    @lacrosseguy108 7 років тому

    i noticed a bug if im in stealth and by chance use shuriken storm it doesnt bring up my usual out of stealth action bar it brings up a similar one but with a few less of my abilities on it, do you know why this happens?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      There is a bug with breaking stealth on certain abilities. You can learn more about it and how to abuse it in the rogue discord. - Marty

    • @lacrosseguy108
      @lacrosseguy108 7 років тому

      ok thanks alot much appreciated :D

  • @erioltv
    @erioltv 7 років тому

    hi marty do u happen to have any usefull macros to make rotation easier maybe a symbols DFA one or soemthink like that ty!!

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      When I first tried sub I tried to make a few macros like that. The problem was they wouldn't all go off together (it was infrequent) and I would have to hit the macro multiple times. Rogue discord macros have similar issues. So I decided to leave them out. Also I sometimes on AOE like to use those things separately. So I would suggest trying to learn it without them personally. - Marty

    • @kellytheos9858
      @kellytheos9858 7 років тому

      I made a macro using Shadow Symbols and NightBlade seeing that they both have a CD of 30 secs.... Makes sense, right? it didn't go well... lol. After practicing a bit more I feel that sub rogue is unforgiving for macros. :D

  • @jprez1219
    @jprez1219 7 років тому

    Possible for you to post your weakauras

  • @claguez6340
    @claguez6340 7 років тому

    Awsome vid, been waiting for a good guide until i tried sub, your weak aura's would also help out alot, do you have a string for them? Cheers man

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      Unfortunately no they aren't WA so I cannot output them. - Marty

    • @claguez6340
      @claguez6340 7 років тому

      Oh ok, what addon is it then?

  • @mrxracing9193
    @mrxracing9193 7 років тому +3

    Great guide thanks!

  • @TheRonTait
    @TheRonTait 7 років тому

    Marty, Would it be posible to get the Weak Auras output for your layout?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      Unfortunately I don't have those in WA, they are TMW's. So I cannot output them. There are some good rouge options over on wago. - Marty

  • @blinzi69
    @blinzi69 7 років тому

    is it always SS>SS>EVISC>SS even when the first 2 SS only give me 4 CPs, or do i wanna SS>SS>SS instead? i feel like i dont have enough energy to fit evisc into ShD when i go 3xSS - also do i always build up to 6CP before i dfa or can i go at 5 ?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      Don't try to use 3 SS back to back, the energy doesn't work out for it. If you absolutely have to, evis at 4 cp. - Marty

  • @erikjarvis5183
    @erikjarvis5183 7 років тому

    Im having issues with sustained dps, I start off at around 1.7-1.9mil burst then dwindle down to around maybe 780-800k and stay there. i dont know how to correct this, (note I lack 4 set and the bracers and am around 911 ilvl)

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      That's a little vague for me to give good advice. What I would say is plan things out. Don't be reactive to your cd timers and NB timers. Be ready for them and hit them as soon as they come up. Being 5 seconds slow a few times can be an entire window lost. Other than that, make sure you are getting the full value out of each window. - Marty

  • @bigpumpr
    @bigpumpr 7 років тому

    nice guide man

  • @imtek5202
    @imtek5202 7 років тому

    Love the guide man, thanks. What's the addon you have that has your cooldowns displayed in the middle of your screen?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      I did that using Tell Me When. - Marty

  • @ntrz-
    @ntrz- 7 років тому

    I'm having a lot of trouble maintaining nightblade when DfA and SoD are coming off cd. Most of the time nightblade expires right as DfA and SoD are coming off cd (I'm assuming this is because I'm not using 2pc from NH any longer). Should I just not sweat the Nightblade and just use SoD and DfA?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому

      You have to be proactive. Look at your night made timer and think about it's duration. Getting to max cp with no SB can take up to 6-7 seconds. If your NB has 8 seconds left on it but you have to time to use and evis, get up to cap, NB, get up to cap and window, then use the NB early. You aren't planning your timers far enough in advance. You have to look at that timer with your next two cycles in mind and make decisions from there. - Marty

    • @ntrz-
      @ntrz- 7 років тому

      so refreshing NB at 4s or less is optimal, but if your window isn't going to line up just go ahead and refresh NB so you can have it up for your window essentially yes?

    • @ExiledPowerUS
      @ExiledPowerUS  7 років тому +1

      Yeah that's the idea. Do that as little as possible, but over capping the pandemic by a few seconds is better than losing the 15 percent on the burst. - Marty

  • @Soybomb94
    @Soybomb94 7 років тому

    what addon u using to see nightblade DOT time?