I feel that Atlanta, St. Louis, San Diego, and Seattle have a commonality. Atlanta unreasonably lost the NHL. St. Louis unreasonably lost the NFL. San Diego unreasonably lost the NFL. Seattle unreasonably lost the NBA.
@@nodnarbleahcim5097 And California has USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Fresno State, etc. They also have tge Chargers, 49ers, and Rams. Why does San Diego, Oakland or Sacramento need a team? Ohio has Ohio State AND the Bengals and the Browns. Why would Columbus need a team? You certainly have a different set of expectations for southern states, a bias, don't you? Hypocritical different levels. Alabama is the most football crazy state in the country, and if you were ever around people from Alabama, you'd know that. Birmingham has no big 4 teams. This, no competition. Norfolk is larger than Milwaukee, Buffalo, Green Bay, and Jacksonville, all of which have big 4 teams.
0% chance Columbus would get an NFL team. if San Diego was to build a new stadium I would think the Chargers would just move back. heck it would probably be "encouraged" by the NFL and the owners
Chargers want SD to give them a stadium. No chance SD will pay for that. Chargers are a family owned team of 4 siblings not willing to spend money. NFL is keeping them on life support in SOFI no rent stadium.
Somehow, the only way I see San Diego getting another NFL team is if they wait it out until the Chargers’ lease at Sofi is up. So a very long time from now, but with that time could come a new owner, a new stadium, I mean who knows.
IMO Austin/San Antonio won’t happen until well after Jerry Jones passes on. San Diego only makes sense if the Chargers move back after the Spanos sell.
The Cowboys dominate the Texas market. Jerry wouldn't allow a team in Texas. Oklahoma could pull it off. Those folks are Cowboys fans by proximity, but they would love to have a reason to not like a Texas team. Conversly, any team in Austin or San Antonio would still have die hard Cowboys fans that wouldn't really want to jump ship to a new team. Toronto, Utah, and Oklahoma are the best three choices.
If either city couldn’t find a way to make it work on their own (Austin seems to have much more money and a growing population, San Antonio just has the history with the NFL), they could both join forces to build a new stadiums between the two cities and call their team the Texas (Whoever), that way it encompasses the state rather than just one city.
@@ArizonaHotSauce That was true 10 or 20 years ago, but by now Austin has so many transplants with no ties to the area, they could absolutely rally some support.
Mad respect for Toronto at #1. But OKC and Portland should definitely be HMs. Oklahoma is a huge football state and there’s no NFL team in most of the surrounding states (except Texas, but Dallas is 200 miles away). Same with Portland, not alot of sports in the Northwest
I think eventually OKC will get an NFL team; if you look at all of Oklahoma County, the population is over a million. Then you have all the people in Tulsa, and all the people around the Tulsa area is also over a million. Many of those folks would drive an hour and a half to go to an NFL game.
Austin Texas ain't happening. University of Texas at Austin won't ever allow that. The MLS team located in Austin is barely in Austin. The new basketball arena was purposely built to small for both NBA, and NHL. As far as San Antonio. Jerry Jones will use the same pull that he used when the Raiders were about to move to San Antonio. NFL should relocate the Chargers back to San Diego. Then expand to St. Louis, and either Portland, or Salt Lake. Toronto won't happen as long as the CFL is in existence.
@@laynesmancave Birmingham is 2.5 hours from Atlanta. That is no different from Cleveland to Pittsburgh, Cleveland to Detroit, Cleveland to Buffalo, or Cincinnati to Indianapolis, or Indianapolis to Chicago and is actually a longer distance than Washington is to Baltimore, Washington to Philadelphia, Baltimore to Philadelphia, a Philadelphia to New York, Giants to Jets (share same stadium), Rams to Chargers. Birmingham City has a declining population, but the metro has been slightly gaining. That said, Birmingham Metro is slightly larger than Buffalo and a lot bigger than Green Bay, and in no state in the country is their better fan support for football than in the state of Alabama.
@@albertsancho5909 Birmingham looks posh compared to the Rust Belt. Places like Mountain Brook, Homewood, Inverness, Hoover, and Vestavia Hills are far nicer and affluent than the rust belt. Alabama is brought down by the "black belt region" (giving to black soil good for agriculture, not the black population).
The perception that the SLC market is too small for the NFL is erroneous. Its a bigger TV market (#27) than Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Vegas, San Antonio, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Buffalo among others. Yes SLC proper is smaller but SL tv market is more than just the City iiself there is wall to wall urban along the Wasatch front which is 2.8 million people within 45 min of downtown SL. There's no question it has the pop to support an NFL team and its growing exponentially.
You are correct that it's numbers are higher because Ogden and Provo are counted as separate metro areas, but there is continuous development between them all. That said, with them recently getting the NHL, I don't think they can support more than one more team. Choose.between baseball or football.
It’s hard to expand beyond 32 teams because 32 is such a balanced number if you add one or two it throws everything off. It would only work with 36 teams
The thing people don't realize about Memphis is that that market really doesn't like the Titans. In the span of a few years, they saw their very successful USFL team get tanked by Donald Trump and other greedy owners, their NFL expansion bid lose out to Charlotte and Jacksonville, and then the Oilers use them as a cheap holdover so they didn't have to play lame duck seasons in Houston. To say the NFL can't put a team in Memphis because of the Titans is demonstrably false, because despite the proximity (which is still farther than New York to Philadelphia or Pittsburgh to Cleveland), Memphis does not support the Titans. It really would be a new market.
San Diego for sure, maybe Oakland again, Austin or San Antonio, can't be both, somewhere in the diameter of Omaha, NE (Warren Buffet Berkshire Hathaway money), Salt Lake City and possibly Boise, ID
Surprisingly Sacramento, California doesn't much attention for an NFL team. Even though they tried to lure the Raiders in the early 1990's and even built the foundation for a proposed stadium called Arco Field that would have been next Sleep Train Arena.
There are extremely few Stan Kroenke’s out there were they will pay the insane amount of money these NFL stadiums costs now. So it comes to which city will put in the most amount of money to pay for it
This is the real reason the NFL isn't going to expand. The NHL, the 4th most popular league, just sold a team for over a billion dollars. There simply aren't enough billionaires out there to pay what an expansion NFL team would be "worth."
I think that San Diego WILL get an NFL team, but I think that the NFL and owners are waiting for the Spanoses to sell the team and have the Chargers move back there. I can definitely see a team in San Antonio or Austin, but I think it's more likely to happen because of relocation. After St. Louis suing the Rams and the NFL, I don't see ANYWAY that the NFL will allow a team there. Not only did they screw the NFL, but to turn around and reward them with an expansion team?! There's no way that they'll do that. It'll send the wrong message and invite all kinds of lawsuits! These guys are about making money, not losing money!
If Portland, Oregon straightens itself out with its homeless situation it would create a natural I-5 Pacific Northwest rivalry with the Seattle Seahawks. It would reduce many territorial and Canada issues mentioned.
I can't see the NFL expanding anytime soon. 32 is the perfect number with 8 Divisions of 4 teams. What I think they will do is 1) 18 Game schedule. 2) More oversees games In Europe, Latin America and East Asia. 8 a year, 16 teams each season 3) Chargers move back to San Diego 4) Second Tier comp. UFL to get more teams and more exposure Mar-Jun 5) More games in Neutral sites and NCAA Stadiums in USA 6) International game. USA Vs World XI. 7) Pro Bowl on a rotation. Hawaii, Orlando, San Antonio, LA
San Antonio should get the team. Austin has UT football that draws a massive crowd. Austin has so many out of towners moving in and then out of the city, so the fanbase would struggle to grow. San Antonio, not so much, but their UFL team is pretty good!
Anyone who said St. Louis needs their head examined. St. Louis is the only city in history where the NFL failed FOUR times. As someone who used to live there I can attest firsthand that the city doesn't care about football. On the day the Rams had the first pick in the draft, WHILE THE RAMS WERE ON THE CLOCK, the local ESPN affiliate cut away from the draft to announce that the local baseball team had made a minor league transaction. Again, while the rams were on the clock. THis is not a bad decision by the local station. It is a station that knows where its money comes from. It's a station that knows the city is a baseball town.
@@jeffwebb2966 except that st louis doesn't love football. That's just a fucking joke. I lived there for 12 years. They are utterly apathetic about it. Go to a sports bar on a sunday afternoon in the fall in stl and even when they had a team you'd still find baseball on tv. Not because the bar owners were stupid, but because they were smart. they knew what their customers cared about.
Please no one say Austin or San Antonio or Orlando or anywhere that has a big NFL presence already. Teams do have territorial rights so you can;t just put a team anywhere. While NFL say it is 75 miles within another team it is much more complicated then just that. JJ will never allow another team in Texas and between him and the Texans it will never happen. He has too many owners that are in his pocket and you need 2/3 vote to approve a new owner so please NO MORE suggestions about expanding in Texas. San Diego, Salt Lake CIty, would be my bet,
The distance between the Texas cities is a long distance. Doesn't seem to be an issue in the over saturated sports market in the Midwest and northeast. In the same distance between Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston, you could fit Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Indianapolis, and maybe Chicago, and yet you probably have no problem with them having seven teams in a comparable area, yet three teams in Texas is too much? Texas has 30 million people.
that's harsh.... CFL football is part of Canadian culture and with Trudeau's immigration policy we need to hold onto as much of our culture as possible
There is no way a team will go up in San Jose, they already have one. The 49ers are right there. Similarly, the Browns and Bengals would lose it if the NFL tried to create a Columbus team.
My suggestion has been, collapse each conference into 2 divisions and expand by 4 teams and play the 18 games. I would like to see teams in SD and St.L because they got screwed over by shitty ownership/league. Austin and Birmingham or SLC (coin flip).
There isn't enough NFL-level talent to field 32 competitive teams now. Expansion would make the game so dull by thinning out the talent. They'll expand to Europe IF there's a new super sonic commercial airliner in the next two decades. For now, focus on moving the Jets back to Queens and the Chargers back to San Diego.
I feel like states that don’t have a nfl team should be prioritized over the ones that do, especially ones with 2 or more, San Jose is a horrible option, it’s not even a football city, its only a option for it’s cities population, it would bring more fans putting one in Oklahoma, Utah, Alabama ect, than any place that already has a team. San Antonio and Austin are good because they are football cities, but it would still bring more fans if it was in Oklahoma, Utah, Alabama ect. The college teams in Alabama and Oklahoma are more popular than some nfl teams, so that’s just proof they are better places to have them.
St. Louis I think kind of got screwed by two owners who wanted to move the first thing they bought the teams. Stan K said outright the minute he bought the Rams his intent was to move to LA. They had a raw deal IMO. Same thing happened when the Sonics got bought. Owner never had any intent on keeping them in Seattle from day one.
Because they are a good football city and get a lot of unreasonable arguments against them because of ownership, much like the city of Atlanta with hockey.
Memphis and St. Louis deserve one but at this point I am not sure Memphis wants one anymore after they were strung along by the NFL only to hand a team to Nashville while they were not even looking for one. They did Memphis extremely dirty but they have also treated STL dirty too. Cities don't need NFL teams to be major cities.
By 2065, the NFL would expand to 48 teams if so it'll be divided into 2 Major Leagues 24 NFL and 24 AFL Super Bowl will still be in effect The cities will be as follows St Louis, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, Orlando, Birmingham, Louisville, Omaha, Oklahoma City, Portland, Salt Lake City, Austin, etc that'll work
You are talking years ago they used to do that. Jazz play all the time on Sunday at home and road. Some of their food outlets don’t open when they play on Sunday but the NFL has so many vendors they can go to it will not matter.
The only way it could possibly work is if _El Paso_ were selected, but the stadium is placed in Anthony, *NM.* At that Albuquerque would still be easier and much more likely.
@@SaturnKeys I'm speaking of metro area which is what matters. Omaha metro (which includes suburbs) is just shy of a million people. Buffalo has 1.1 million people in its metro. Cleveland has 2 million. Pittsburgh 2.3 million. Cincinnati 2.2 million.
List isn’t bad I don’t really see San Antonio nor Austin because the Cowboys are king in Texas, sandiego is the most logical choice but then again it’s a 4th team in Cali, St. Louis is crime ridden but the chiefs rule that area right now which I don’t think would be good for early excitement. Tornto would be Perfect get a little rivalry going with the Bills, I think if it was their team like you said then they’d rally behind it but I’d prefer the jags move there instead of an expansion team
the bills have no say...Detroit is also on the border and they have no say in Ontario... and Toronto has 6 million more people than Buffalo...I'm pretty sure if Toronto builds a stadium they will 100% get an NFL team
#1 Toronto, Canada - the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area has over 7,281,694 people... by comparison the second largest city in Canada Montreal only has (4,291,732 people) and the third largest city in Canada Vancouver only has (2,642,825 people). - Toronto (1st largest city in Canada/US without an NFL team) - Toronto already has NBA, MLB, NHL and MLS teams, and each one of them is top 10 in valuations. - the NFL is MUCH more popular in Toronto than CFL is... - an NFL team in Toronto would be instantly worth $5 Billion dollars... #2 San Antonio or Austin, Texas - there are over 30,503,301 million people in Texas...Texas can 100% support another NFL team, and NO Jerry Jones had no say in 2002 when the Houston Texans joined the NFL...and he will have NO SAY when San Antonio or Austin gets a team. - San Antonio is the 4th largest US city without an NFL team (2,703,999 people) - Austin is the 6th largest US city without an NFL team (2,473,275 people) - these cities are approximately 70 miles apart, the halfway point New Braunfels would be approximately 40-45 minute drive from either San Antonio or Austin - Texas is the most diehard football state...and two MAJOR markets without NFL teams are only 40 minutes apart...that's a no brainer. #3 San Diego, California - the Chargers should have never left California, that was a mistake, LA does not NEED or WANT two NFL teams, and they have demonstrated that they support the Rams, not the Chargers, the Chargers should go back the San Diego-Tijuana/Mexican market is SO MASSIVE to turn down...there are 3.2 million people in San Diego and 2.1 million people in Tijuana....I don't understand why the owner wants to be the second most popular football team in Los Angeles instead of the most popular in San Diego/Mexico - San Diego is the 1st largest US city without an NFL team (3,269,973 people) - Tijuana is across the boarder from San Diego and has an additional (2,157,853 people) - the NFL desperately wants to expand into Mexico, and a team in San Diego gives 2 million Mexicans in Tijuana a team to cheer for, this is the best way to gain interest in Mexico (Mexico City is too high altitude for an NFL team) San Diego would be the PERFECT way to introduce the game to Mexicans...what a missed opportunity #4 St. Louis, Missouri - poor St. Louis, they lost the Cardinals (1987) and the Rams in (2015), they did not deserve to lose the Rams, but Los Angeles was a better market than St. Louis, it doesn't mean St. Louis is a BAD market - St. Louis is the 3rd largest US city without an NFL team 2,796,999 people (only San Diego and Orlando have more people) - why does St. Louis deserve a third team? where else would you go? San Diego and Orlando are the ONLY larger markets in the US without NFL teams, and Florida and California already have 3 NFL teams each.... - St. Louis battlehawks in the XFL averaged 35,104 attendance last year, and averaged 34,365 attendace this year...by comparison the next best attended XFL team only averaged 14,143 people....2.5 times less than St. Louis averages....they LOVE FOOTBALL and they are STARVED FOR PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL - Los Angeles deserves a football team, but San Diego and St. Louis should have never relocated...
I do not think that Toronto will get an NFL team as long as the CFL still exists. The Canadian government would not look kindly on an effort to place a team there or anywhere north of the U S border. I live in L A. The Chargers are a second banana team here, competing for football fans with the Rams and two major college football programs.
"I do not think that Toronto will get an NFL team as long as the CFL still exists. The Canadian government would not look kindly on an effort to place a team there or anywhere north of the U S border." based on what? what have you heard in LA??? I've never heard that from a reputable source. You have 7.2 million people in the Toronto-Hamilton region...who don't watch CFL...they watch NFL...and don't support small American cities like Buffalo.... So, the Canadian government sees the opportunity to add a $5 Billion dollar NFL franchise as a bad thing????? They don't want the money....and the drink and food sales? And TV rights? And the jobs associated with running a team, and building a new stadium, and building infrastructure? So Canada doesn't want millions of dollars???? That makes no sense. The least followed CFL team is Toronto... The least followed NFL team is...Jacksonville? If you GOT RID of Jacksonvillewould it KILL the NFL??? No. Neither would adding an NFL team in Toronto. The 10 people going to Argo's games are probably still going to attend...
@@sampicano I am an American, but i grew up in WNY near the border with Canada. Historically the Canadian goverment has acted to keep their culture separate from that of the US. If an NFL team was placed in Toronto it would put the CFL on shakier ground than it already is. So the overall impact would be negative for Canada.
@@stuartrubin5730 The least followed CFL team is Toronto... The least followed NFL team is...Jacksonville? If you GOT RID of Jacksonville would it KILL the NFL??? No. Neither would adding an NFL team in Toronto. The 10 people going to Argo's games are probably still going to attend... You have no point... "historically the Canadian government has acted to keep Canadian culture separate from that of the US" ....oh really? GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE....I'LL WAIT Which government did that????
@@stuartrubin5730 I think you realize what a MASSIVE threat a team in Toronto would be to Buffalo...but you won't admit the truth. I think you know Toronto-Hamilton is 6 times larger than Buffalo....Buffalo is one of the smallest markets, and has one of the lowest values in the NFL... I think you realize a team in Toronto would have more value and more fans.
@@internetcomdianpeter True. However, BOTH team are referred to as NEW YORK. There's only ONE NFL football 🏈 team from New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬. 👌
1. SLC is awful. No one will go to a game on Sunday because Mormons. They have BYU football. 2. St Louis has lost teams twice before. What makes you think the third time will be different? 3. Toronto already has the Argonauts of the CFL. 4. Austin has Longhorn football. An NFL team would be more blacked out than a Jaguars game. San Antonio would be a fantastic choice though but wait til Jerry Jones is dead; he doesn't want to lose Cowboys fans and has previously blocked the city's efforts to get a team in the past. 5. San Diego just needs a new stadium and then relocate the Chargers back there, a la the Raiders in 1995 after nearly 15 years in LA.
My choices are Portland, Austin(San Antonio would also be part of that mark), and I think that’s pretty it, NFL is not going to Toronto because the NFL is not a global sport. It’s not the NBA or the NHL and MLS where they have international ties to other countries. And MLB is the only expecting because nobody cares about baseball and it’s not as American as it use to be and baseball is becoming less and less popular so people don’t really care if Canada gets more MLB teams such as Montreal and Vancouver, where the NFL is not like that at all.
Football was invented in Canada. Also...there's 7.2 million people in Toronto-Hamilton Also...more people watch NFL in Ontario than CFL... So you have an untapped market, with 7 million people, and they watch NFL, and have a history with football....but that won't work in your mind? Cool.
Reno would be more likely and maybe should. The thing about having a team in Las Vegas is that it is a tourist draw way more than a local event, as evidenced by the locale of the stadium. This concept should also work for Reno as well but with a more balanced local fandom. Despite its smaller size, Reno is way more suitable than Salt Lake City or Idaho, IMO.
@@overbanked Since Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas is shared with a college team, a new team would require a new stadium, and I don’t believe that there is a political will for such an undertaking. The complexities of switching between college and NFL field and other standards is already odd, and if they were to actually put a new team in there, it would essentially be throwing a wrench into it. This being said, any team in Las Vegas _is_ a tourist draw, and those lot could most probably fill it up with a decent second team. I would propose Reno though. The state sees what the Raiders financially did for tourism and maybe would want to repeat this in the state.
Why isn't Charleston, SC, ever considered for a pro sport franchise??? Charleston is one of America's fastest growing metropolitan areas, and they definitely have the infrastructure, money, and population to support a franchise.
Charleston has the 71st biggest metro. That's very small, only larger than Green Bay (which obviously is a special situation). Even Greenville (57th) and Columbia (70th) in the same state are larger. Charleston has 0 chance of getting any major league sport for the foreseeable future. Enjoy the Carolina Panthers
@@overbanked Charleston is growing fast. It and the Greenville area will probably get some type of team within the next twenty years if trends continue. Greenville-Spartanburg is about 1.5 million people, while Charleston is closing in on a million.
Packer fan here.,, Green Bay supported statewide Wisconsin, where fans travel in droves to home games from other sides of state. They even make all home games driving as far as Minnesota, North Dakota & South Dakota & Iowa.
Dude you need to half the amount of time you rant about these stadiums The videos are good, but you spend at least 2 or 3 minutes babbling nonsense on each one after you've given all the info. I can't watch these anymore mate, it's too much. Which sucks because I really liked this channel at first. Cut out the nonsensical rambling. Plan what you're going to say, don't just drone on and on about nothing
There is NO city that makes sense in the United States or Canada. The reality is that if you live in a town in either of these countries and that town doesn't have a team, getting a team won't make you a fan. You already are one or you're not magically going to become one just by Home Team showing up. This means no new fans, which in turn means splitting the same amount of money more ways, or less for everybody. The only place that you're going to actually generate so much new revenue that it equates to more money for everyone is Europe. If Mexico could get out of its own way, Mexico City would be desirable but the current climate there is a non starter and the culture of corruption there means it's likely a permanent no-go. I have zero interest in the NFL in Europe but economics doesn't lie and thats the only place that makes fiscal sense.
Football was invented in Canada. there's 7.2 million people in Toronto-Hamilton Also...more people watch NFL in Ontario than CFL... So 7.2 million is like the size of Philadelphia, Miami or Atlanta...you think a city the size of PHILADELPHIA, MIAMI or ATLANTA "makes no sense" There's also San Antonio and Austin which are top 5 US markets....like 45 minutes from each other. Turns out you are wrong lol
@@sampicano 'tis better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Sure those towns have sizeable populations, but those people are already NFL fans. They're already spending money on jerseys, the network, etc. They aren't NEW money.
Salt Lake pop 204,657 , never going to happen. St louis is a dying city meaning in city population is 286,578, Austin is nit a Nfl city far to Art oriented and music oriented. Not Happening. San Antonio may be there. Toronto does not like American rules football. Not Going to happen in Canada. Your ideas are ridiculously flawed. Oklahoma City is larger than 4 cities on your list and it would not be a good fit, Sacremento is better than Oakland. OKC is a Sooner city, it is our pro team. Albuquerque is larger than salt lake and no team and would biist a very impoverished state. This would bring more resources back to a state that was stripped by Cali ands Texas of the resources. Omaha, largest city next to OKC and Texas ciries and Minniapolis in center plains, has resouces and the abundance of cash flow to make it desirable unlike st louis riots do not regularly occur. Loiuisville is larger thasn Cincinati and would be KY defacto sports team beautiful river front and generous people welco0ming people.
@@ericacottle3507 really? hmm why doesn' t Louisville have a team, markets is just one thing pro teams look at many discretionary terms. See Austin as a metro has 2.4 million the market size opf salt lake apparently is 100,000 smaller than the entire state of utah at 3.3 as compared to the 3.2 of its market becuase neilsen takes into acct that while austin dwarfs the hell out of salt lake city and almost matched your state pop by its reduced metro based on metros sharing area that is fixed on other cities neilsen market sshare like hmm college station and others. so by proxcy if there were no Tulsa and we went off the assanine idea that one city determines an entore states market share OKC would be close to 4.4 million. which is ridiculous. like I said Market share means not so much as it may have once meant. The market Share for Hartford conneticut could eaqsily be the entire state of the smallish Conneticut and perhaps even share some with New York alongg the bridgeport 95 corridor. which would be 3.6 million and larger than salt lake without 95 corridor new york. Same is true for other places like Virginia beach which would share a population with norfolk and the markets sorrounding it. Ne3ilsen gives one city SLC its state pop for market share, That is kind of a joke. I personally do now want an nfl team in Oklahoma I am happy with The Oklahoma Sooners. Wealth is the main concern for a team can the party or parties buying it sustain it will he state supporft it. OKC is building or will be building a 1907 ft sky scraper, 1907 the year we became a state. the Tallest in the Usa and top 5 in the wqorld along with that the thunder will have a new hjome in a new arena, and Ou sits in the Palace on the prarie. We still have the William brothers, the Sinclair Family, the Phillips family the Getty Family the Skelly Family and many other old energy co. Billiuonaiores where once we were the Oil capital of the world there is still pleanty of old money inter mingling with new money and is why OKC is growing at 2x the rate of the national average. Again the market numbers hide a lot of detail, give Austin the circumferance of ustah and the Market share would not be close it would be in the Dallas Houston range. It is all about how it is carved up.
@@Lane2268 you're right there are many factors that determine the attractiveness of a city/market to get a major league franchise, such as corporate support, growth rate, average age etc. But population/tv sets and ease of commute are the biggest. The tv market or DMA is determined by geography and proximity to other major tv Markets. I'm sorry if you're butt hurt by Austin's market size but it is a fact they are ranked #35 and Salt Lake is ranked #27 because its market of 2.8 million people is just larger. Major pro leagues look at all kinds of factors and especially the stability of potential owners. SLC meets all the criteria as an urban center to have the population, corporate support, desired geographic location in an untapped area, high growth rate, hight birth rate, low crime....everything you would want in a pro franchise. They have a proven track record with the Jazz of 50 years, MLS for nearly 20 years, and have 35,000 season ticket deposits for their new NHL club. I think Austin is a wonderful city and is capable of having an NFL city but you trashing Salt Lake because why? Idk....and I'm not sure why you bring Louisville into the conversation but its a considerably smaller tv market than Salt Lake. The networks value tvs in the home, and the Wasatch Front which makes the SLC tv market has enough to satisfy the network execs. FYI the Salt Lake market is larger than 9 existing NFL markets. Bottom line if Salt Lake didn't meet the criteria they would never be considered, but they are considered and are seriously being considered for MLB as well. Its a beautiful area and great place for young professionals and families.
" Toronto does not like American rules football. Not Going to happen in Canada. " First search on Google.... "The NFL is more popular in Canada than the CFL" September 2023 article "Super-ior Bowl? Most Canadian football fans would choose Super Bowl over Grey Cup" February 2023 "NFL Football Is Huge In Canada" January 2024 Poll from 2024 showed more people watch NFL in Ontario...get your facts straight instead of just spreading lies...lol Americans
@@ericacottle3507 SLC is a far worse football market than Austin...also San Antonio is 40 min drive away.... So San Antonio and Austin or SLC.... TEXAS WINS LITERALLY EVERY TIME
I have on good authority (totally made this up) that the NFL is going to trade the Seahawks and Jets to annex the CFL. The Chargers will move to Monterey Mexico, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers will join the NFL and the CFL will revive their CFL South ambitions from the 90s... AFC East: Buffalo Pittsburgh Baltimore New England AFC Central: Cleveland Indianapolis Cincinnati Tennessee AFC South: Miami Jacksonville MonterreyMX Chargers Houston AFC West: Denver Kansas City OKC Expansion Team Winnipeg NFC East: Philadelphia Washington Carolina NY Giants NFC Central: Minnesota Detroit Green Bay Chicago NFC South: Atlanta New Orleans Tampa Bay Dallas NFC West: San Francisco Las Vegas Arizona LA Rams CFL East: Toronto NJ Jets Montreal Hamilton Ottawa Quebec Nordiques CFL West: Seattle BC Calgary Saskatchewan Edmonton Honolulu CFL South: Louisville Stallions St. Louis Archers Norfolk Spiders Huntington CFL Gulf: JacksonMS Pearls Shreveport Stevedores Memphis Birmingham Barracudas CFL Sky: Boise Salt Lake City Posse Sacramento Smelters PortlandOR Flapjacks The CFL will play by CFL rules. CFL-NFL will play four regular season interleague games a season per team, home team determines which rulebook is used. My favorite part is St Louis getting football back and 🖕🏽🖕🏽ing the NFL 😂😂😂
I like your list however if you do some research into the Toronto market they don't have much of a hunger for football as they have the worst attendance in the CFL year after year. BUT I'm going out on a limb and I'm saying that if the NFL were to go into Canada then I think Saskatchewan (Regina or Saskatoon) would be a great choice, I'm not from there but their fanbase is ridiculous and they out support the rest of the CFL cities by a long shot but the downfall of Saskatchewan would be those two cities have a population of less than 500,000 and their metro area doesn't bump that number up much, and not a big media center..... but if there's an owner willing to gamble on it I think it'd be huge and far more successful than Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver..... that's my opinion
"I like your list however if you do some research into the Toronto market they don't have much of a hunger for football as they have the worst attendance in the CFL year after year. BUT I'm going out on a limb and I'm saying that if the NFL were to go into Canada then I think Saskatchewan (Regina or Saskatoon) would be a great choice," you clearly did NO research...Toronto LOVES the NFL....and does not watch CFL...Toronto LOVES football....but does not support small American cities (like Buffalo) Saskatchewan is honestly...not even top 8 choices in Canada...and they are the most diehard football province (similar to Alabama) Regina - 249,217 people Saskatoon - 317,480 people Name ANY American city with 300 thousand people that could support NFL.... Green Bay works because it has Milwaukee, and Madison within driving distance...a city with less than 350 thousand people could not support NFL. Milwaukee has 1,560,424 people Saskatchewan THE ENTIRE PROVINCE has 1,132,505 people...LMFAO TORONTO HAS 7.2 MILLION PEOPLE....TORONTO IS LITERALLY 6 TIMES LARGER THAN BUFFALO HAHAHAHA
The reason San Jose won't get a team is that the 49ers play just a few miles away. The 49ers are much closer to San Jose than San Francisco actually.
Definitely St. Louis, the fans there got cheated.
I feel that Atlanta, St. Louis, San Diego, and Seattle have a commonality.
Atlanta unreasonably lost the NHL.
St. Louis unreasonably lost the NFL.
San Diego unreasonably lost the NFL.
Seattle unreasonably lost the NBA.
@@willp.8120add Oakland too. NFL and soon MLB.
My top 5.
1) St. Louis
2) San Diego
3) San Antonio
4) Norfolk
5) Birmingham
Why put an NFL team in a city that has lost two?
@@GoOp790 Because it was all on ownership and they average 40,000 or so for UFL games.
St. Louis lost an NFL team twice; so they’ve had their chance and it didn’t stick. San Antonio and Austin are the obvious choices.
Alabama has the Tide. They don't need a pro team.
And Norfolk???? Okay....
@@nodnarbleahcim5097 And California has USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Fresno State, etc. They also have tge Chargers, 49ers, and Rams. Why does San Diego, Oakland or Sacramento need a team?
Ohio has Ohio State AND the Bengals and the Browns. Why would Columbus need a team?
You certainly have a different set of expectations for southern states, a bias, don't you? Hypocritical different levels.
Alabama is the most football crazy state in the country, and if you were ever around people from Alabama, you'd know that. Birmingham has no big 4 teams. This, no competition.
Norfolk is larger than Milwaukee, Buffalo, Green Bay, and Jacksonville, all of which have big 4 teams.
San Diego is actually larger than San Antonio if you look at the metropolitan area
San Diego is also the 28th or 29th largest media market while San Antonio is like 37th
San Antonio and Austin are super close and both very large.
@@garrettgeringer1278 San Diego is also very close to the Irvine/Anaheim area which is very large.
Chargers got a new owner and hopefully they return to San Diego
0% chance Columbus would get an NFL team. if San Diego was to build a new stadium I would think the Chargers would just move back. heck it would probably be "encouraged" by the NFL and the owners
Like Zero Zero
Chargers want SD to give them a stadium. No chance SD will pay for that. Chargers are a family owned team of 4 siblings not willing to spend money. NFL is keeping them on life support in SOFI no rent stadium.
Urkel (Jaleen White) married into the Spanos family.
San Jose has a team that just call themselves San Francisco
49ers play 50 miles away from SF in Santa Clara. San Jose is the largest city in Santa Clara County. 49ers San Jose adjacent..
I would go with San Antonio and St Louis.
Somehow, the only way I see San Diego getting another NFL team is if they wait it out until the Chargers’ lease at Sofi is up. So a very long time from now, but with that time could come a new owner, a new stadium, I mean who knows.
Sac needs an NFL team 💯💯💯
Oakland ca getting a new NFL team 0%chance
IMO Austin/San Antonio won’t happen until well after Jerry Jones passes on. San Diego only makes sense if the Chargers move back after the Spanos sell.
Just like if the NFL tried to push an expansion team in Milwaukee. It would never happen since the Packers have that market.
Once the Chargers become the winning team, LA will support them
If an NFL team in Columbus couldn't compete with Ohio State, could an NFL team in Austin compete with Texas?
Probably would be place off 35 in South San Marcos or North New Bronfells this would allow them to market to San Antonio as well
The Cowboys dominate the Texas market. Jerry wouldn't allow a team in Texas. Oklahoma could pull it off. Those folks are Cowboys fans by proximity, but they would love to have a reason to not like a Texas team. Conversly, any team in Austin or San Antonio would still have die hard Cowboys fans that wouldn't really want to jump ship to a new team. Toronto, Utah, and Oklahoma are the best three choices.
I think the theory is the Austin metro area is growing quick enough.
If either city couldn’t find a way to make it work on their own (Austin seems to have much more money and a growing population, San Antonio just has the history with the NFL), they could both join forces to build a new stadiums between the two cities and call their team the Texas (Whoever), that way it encompasses the state rather than just one city.
@@ArizonaHotSauce That was true 10 or 20 years ago, but by now Austin has so many transplants with no ties to the area, they could absolutely rally some support.
Why would San Jose get a team the niners play in Santa Clara which is about 10 minutes from San Jose
Mad respect for Toronto at #1. But OKC and Portland should definitely be HMs. Oklahoma is a huge football state and there’s no NFL team in most of the surrounding states (except Texas, but Dallas is 200 miles away). Same with Portland, not alot of sports in the Northwest
Agree with OKC and Portland. But NFL in Canada would be the death knell of the CFL.
Let's go we need a NFL team in Toronto. 4th largest market in North America.
You will have to wait for a long time. Before Toronto get a NFL team. Or never get one.
The Bills would veto that. Too close. Also, you would be killing the CFL doing that. Not going to happen.
@@dineshan no we don’t. We have the CFL. Some of you Canadians are overly brainwashed by America.
@@dineshan no we don’t, we have the CFL. If you’re a real football fan, you appreciate both games.
Yes Toronto needs an nfl team
Portland, Memphis, San Jose, San Antonio, Orlando would be my top 5 candidates for NFL expansion.
Any of these cities would have a instant in-state rival, Seattle v Portland 🔥
Portland and Seattle are in a different state
Memphis would never get one like Nashville would never get an NBA franchise
I have a feeling that an NFL team in Orlando would not draw a crowd like the MLB teams in Florida
NFC with Columbus, Austin, St Louis, and Memphis. AFC with San Diego, Orlando, San Antonio, and Portland
Texas is not getting another team period.
@@scotttild Agreed. Jerry Jones (and family empire) would never allow it.
And Florida will not get another team
Jerry Jones is not letting a new team in Texas. That ends that debate.
Jerry Jones doesn't run the NFL.
So wait until he's dead and then try again..
Toronto definitely looks the most likely!
They would need a stadium for a NFL team to come. That is not look like not going to happened for a long time.
I think eventually OKC will get an NFL team; if you look at all of Oklahoma County, the population is over a million. Then you have all the people in Tulsa, and all the people around the Tulsa area is also over a million. Many of those folks would drive an hour and a half to go to an NFL game.
I think the nfl forces the Chargers to go back to San Diego. They give St. Louis a new team and they put a team in Canada and Austin
Austin Texas ain't happening. University of Texas at Austin won't ever allow that. The MLS team located in Austin is barely in Austin. The new basketball arena was purposely built to small for both NBA, and NHL.
As far as San Antonio. Jerry Jones will use the same pull that he used when the Raiders were about to move to San Antonio. NFL should relocate the Chargers back to San Diego. Then expand to St. Louis, and either Portland, or Salt Lake. Toronto won't happen as long as the CFL is in existence.
Birmingham, Alabama has been mentioned to be a potential candidate city for an NFL team from time to time.
Too close to both Atlanta and Nashville, plus a declining population
^yep and Alabama is a poor low tax state
@@laynesmancave Birmingham is 2.5 hours from Atlanta. That is no different from Cleveland to Pittsburgh, Cleveland to Detroit, Cleveland to Buffalo, or Cincinnati to Indianapolis, or Indianapolis to Chicago and is actually a longer distance than Washington is to Baltimore, Washington to Philadelphia, Baltimore to Philadelphia, a Philadelphia to New York, Giants to Jets (share same stadium), Rams to Chargers.
Birmingham City has a declining population, but the metro has been slightly gaining. That said, Birmingham Metro is slightly larger than Buffalo and a lot bigger than Green Bay, and in no state in the country is their better fan support for football than in the state of Alabama.
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Birmingham looks posh compared to the Rust Belt. Places like Mountain Brook, Homewood, Inverness, Hoover, and Vestavia Hills are far nicer and affluent than the rust belt. Alabama is brought down by the "black belt region" (giving to black soil good for agriculture, not the black population).
San Diego needs to get the Chargers back
I think a San Antonio AND Austin expansion would be cool. Natural rivalry and giving the state of Texas (who loves football) two new teams.
i can see a team in San Antonio before Austin because of the Cowboys/Texans would block Austin.
The perception that the SLC market is too small for the NFL is erroneous. Its a bigger TV market (#27) than Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Vegas, San Antonio, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Buffalo among others. Yes SLC proper is smaller but SL tv market is more than just the City iiself there is wall to wall urban along the Wasatch front which is 2.8 million people within 45 min of downtown SL. There's no question it has the pop to support an NFL team and its growing exponentially.
You are correct that it's numbers are higher because Ogden and Provo are counted as separate metro areas, but there is continuous development between them all. That said, with them recently getting the NHL, I don't think they can support more than one more team. Choose.between baseball or football.
It’s hard to expand beyond 32 teams because 32 is such a balanced number if you add one or two it throws everything off. It would only work with 36 teams
The thing people don't realize about Memphis is that that market really doesn't like the Titans. In the span of a few years, they saw their very successful USFL team get tanked by Donald Trump and other greedy owners, their NFL expansion bid lose out to Charlotte and Jacksonville, and then the Oilers use them as a cheap holdover so they didn't have to play lame duck seasons in Houston. To say the NFL can't put a team in Memphis because of the Titans is demonstrably false, because despite the proximity (which is still farther than New York to Philadelphia or Pittsburgh to Cleveland), Memphis does not support the Titans. It really would be a new market.
San Diego for sure, maybe Oakland again, Austin or San Antonio, can't be both, somewhere in the diameter of Omaha, NE (Warren Buffet Berkshire Hathaway money), Salt Lake City and possibly Boise, ID
Wait, what? Aren’t you the “translucent roof” guy? 😂
Surprisingly Sacramento, California doesn't much attention for an NFL team. Even though they tried to lure the Raiders in the early 1990's and even built the foundation for a proposed stadium called Arco Field that would have been next Sleep Train Arena.
There are extremely few Stan Kroenke’s out there were they will pay the insane amount of money these NFL stadiums costs now. So it comes to which city will put in the most amount of money to pay for it
This is the real reason the NFL isn't going to expand. The NHL, the 4th most popular league, just sold a team for over a billion dollars. There simply aren't enough billionaires out there to pay what an expansion NFL team would be "worth."
I think that San Diego WILL get an NFL team, but I think that the NFL and owners are waiting for the Spanoses to sell the team and have the Chargers move back there. I can definitely see a team in San Antonio or Austin, but I think it's more likely to happen because of relocation. After St. Louis suing the Rams and the NFL, I don't see ANYWAY that the NFL will allow a team there. Not only did they screw the NFL, but to turn around and reward them with an expansion team?! There's no way that they'll do that. It'll send the wrong message and invite all kinds of lawsuits! These guys are about making money, not losing money!
San Diego would only get the Chargers. That is their only hope. There will not be additional expansion when LA already has two teams.
If Portland, Oregon straightens itself out with its homeless situation it would create a natural I-5 Pacific Northwest rivalry with the Seattle Seahawks. It would reduce many territorial and Canada issues mentioned.
I think Toronto will be great spot for an NFL team
I do too
I can't see the NFL expanding anytime soon. 32 is the perfect number with 8 Divisions of 4 teams. What I think they will do is
1) 18 Game schedule.
2) More oversees games In Europe, Latin America and East Asia. 8 a year, 16 teams each season
3) Chargers move back to San Diego
4) Second Tier comp. UFL to get more teams and more exposure Mar-Jun
5) More games in Neutral sites and NCAA Stadiums in USA
6) International game. USA Vs World XI.
7) Pro Bowl on a rotation. Hawaii, Orlando, San Antonio, LA
San Antonio should get the team. Austin has UT football that draws a massive crowd. Austin has so many out of towners moving in and then out of the city, so the fanbase would struggle to grow. San Antonio, not so much, but their UFL team is pretty good!
Yeah there's also a lot of people moving out of Austin too much traffic know infrastructure yeah I would be moving out
Anyone who said St. Louis needs their head examined. St. Louis is the only city in history where the NFL failed FOUR times. As someone who used to live there I can attest firsthand that the city doesn't care about football. On the day the Rams had the first pick in the draft, WHILE THE RAMS WERE ON THE CLOCK, the local ESPN affiliate cut away from the draft to announce that the local baseball team had made a minor league transaction. Again, while the rams were on the clock. THis is not a bad decision by the local station. It is a station that knows where its money comes from. It's a station that knows the city is a baseball town.
St. Louis loves football but has been jilted too many times by the NFL. Coighing up the big bucks for a new stadium would be a tough sell.
@@jeffwebb2966 except that st louis doesn't love football. That's just a fucking joke. I lived there for 12 years. They are utterly apathetic about it. Go to a sports bar on a sunday afternoon in the fall in stl and even when they had a team you'd still find baseball on tv. Not because the bar owners were stupid, but because they were smart. they knew what their customers cared about.
Please no one say Austin or San Antonio or Orlando or anywhere that has a big NFL presence already. Teams do have territorial rights so you can;t just put a team anywhere. While NFL say it is 75 miles within another team it is much more complicated then just that. JJ will never allow another team in Texas and between him and the Texans it will never happen. He has too many owners that are in his pocket and you need 2/3 vote to approve a new owner so please NO MORE suggestions about expanding in Texas. San Diego, Salt Lake CIty, would be my bet,
The distance between the Texas cities is a long distance. Doesn't seem to be an issue in the over saturated sports market in the Midwest and northeast. In the same distance between Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston, you could fit Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Indianapolis, and maybe Chicago, and yet you probably have no problem with them having seven teams in a comparable area, yet three teams in Texas is too much? Texas has 30 million people.
If it came down to STL vs SA/Austin, Jerry Jones would push hard for STL
I would love to see a Toronto NFL team, not just because I’m from there but because I want to see the death of the CFL
that's harsh.... CFL football is part of Canadian culture and with Trudeau's immigration policy we need to hold onto as much of our culture as possible
@@ryanb4541 There’s more Bills fans in Toronto then Argos fans
Would love it but it would have to be privately financed. They wouldn't get a don't from the government
CFL will never die in Canada. It is dead in Toronto, but there are other cities in Canada that likes CFL.
@@andrewsick9003 damn you got me beat there
There is no way a team will go up in San Jose, they already have one. The 49ers are right there. Similarly, the Browns and Bengals would lose it if the NFL tried to create a Columbus team.
My suggestion has been, collapse each conference into 2 divisions and expand by 4 teams and play the 18 games.
I would like to see teams in SD and St.L because they got screwed over by shitty ownership/league. Austin and Birmingham or SLC (coin flip).
There isn't enough NFL-level talent to field 32 competitive teams now. Expansion would make the game so dull by thinning out the talent. They'll expand to Europe IF there's a new super sonic commercial airliner in the next two decades. For now, focus on moving the Jets back to Queens and the Chargers back to San Diego.
I feel like states that don’t have a nfl team should be prioritized over the ones that do, especially ones with 2 or more, San Jose is a horrible option, it’s not even a football city, its only a option for it’s cities population, it would bring more fans putting one in Oklahoma, Utah, Alabama ect, than any place that already has a team. San Antonio and Austin are good because they are football cities, but it would still bring more fans if it was in Oklahoma, Utah, Alabama ect. The college teams in Alabama and Oklahoma are more popular than some nfl teams, so that’s just proof they are better places to have them.
St Louis has lost 2 teams already. Why go back again
St. Louis I think kind of got screwed by two owners who wanted to move the first thing they bought the teams. Stan K said outright the minute he bought the Rams his intent was to move to LA. They had a raw deal IMO. Same thing happened when the Sonics got bought. Owner never had any intent on keeping them in Seattle from day one.
Because they are a good football city and get a lot of unreasonable arguments against them because of ownership, much like the city of Atlanta with hockey.
Way too many teams
Memphis and St. Louis deserve one but at this point I am not sure Memphis wants one anymore after they were strung along by the NFL only to hand a team to Nashville while they were not even looking for one. They did Memphis extremely dirty but they have also treated STL dirty too. Cities don't need NFL teams to be major cities.
6:50 No way the NFL will never expand to Canada and besides Toronto is too close to Buffalo.
By 2065, the NFL would expand to 48 teams if so it'll be divided into 2 Major Leagues 24 NFL and 24 AFL Super Bowl will still be in effect
The cities will be as follows
St Louis, Sacramento, San Antonio, San Diego, Orlando, Birmingham, Louisville, Omaha, Oklahoma City, Portland, Salt Lake City, Austin, etc that'll work
Let's be real, by 2065, the NFL will have been dead for at least 20 years.
The NFL isn’t gonna do business in St. Louis after losing a billion dollar lawsuit to them
Salt Lake City won't work with the games on Sunday. The Jazz tried to avoid having Sunday home games.
You are talking years ago they used to do that. Jazz play all the time on Sunday at home and road. Some of their food outlets don’t open when they play on Sunday but the NFL has so many vendors they can go to it will not matter.
NFL money is bigger than religion. I am sure it will work.
Oklahoma City,Omaha,Wichita,Columbus,Milwaukee.
You totally miss the point that the Texas teams would be a no go cause their brothers in Dallas and Houston would vote that down in a minute
The only way it could possibly work is if _El Paso_ were selected, but the stadium is placed in Anthony, *NM.* At that Albuquerque would still be easier and much more likely.
omaha should get a major league team at some point! they are definitely big enough and bigger than multiple different NFL team cities.
Only larger than Green Bay.
Busy they are home for many college events and llws
@@willp.8120 about the same size as Kansas City, bigger than Buffalo and Cleveland and Cincinnati AND Pittsburgh
@@SaturnKeys I'm speaking of metro area which is what matters.
Omaha metro (which includes suburbs) is just shy of a million people.
Buffalo has 1.1 million people in its metro.
Cleveland has 2 million. Pittsburgh 2.3 million. Cincinnati 2.2 million.
List isn’t bad I don’t really see San Antonio nor Austin because the Cowboys are king in Texas, sandiego is the most logical choice but then again it’s a 4th team in Cali, St. Louis is crime ridden but the chiefs rule that area right now which I don’t think would be good for early excitement. Tornto would be Perfect get a little rivalry going with the Bills, I think if it was their team like you said then they’d rally behind it but I’d prefer the jags move there instead of an expansion team
Mexico City would do a better job supporting a team than Toronto.
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Will people in Edmonton are not going to drive to Toronto for a football game
Should give El Paso and Connecticut expansion teams
The Bill will never allow a team in Toronto.
the bills have no say...Detroit is also on the border and they have no say in Ontario...
and Toronto has 6 million more people than Buffalo...I'm pretty sure if Toronto builds a stadium they will 100% get an NFL team
Orlando, san antonio, dallas(cotton bowl stadium), st louis, chicago if the bears move to arlington heights, mexico city(2 teams),
Three in Ohio? No way. Only way Columbus gets one is if Browns or Bengals goe there
Isn't 32 teams enough? Why does the NFL need more money? Aren't ticket prices already insanely expensive?
Canada has Canadian football and a Canadian football league. This sport is American football hence it should be in America not Canada.
Canada is part of America we just don't have it in our name
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#1 Toronto, Canada - the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area has over 7,281,694 people...
by comparison the second largest city in Canada Montreal only has (4,291,732 people) and the third largest city in Canada Vancouver only has (2,642,825 people).
- Toronto (1st largest city in Canada/US without an NFL team)
- Toronto already has NBA, MLB, NHL and MLS teams, and each one of them is top 10 in valuations.
- the NFL is MUCH more popular in Toronto than CFL is...
- an NFL team in Toronto would be instantly worth $5 Billion dollars...
#2 San Antonio or Austin, Texas - there are over 30,503,301 million people in Texas...Texas can 100% support another NFL team, and NO Jerry Jones had no say in 2002 when the Houston Texans joined the NFL...and he will have NO SAY when San Antonio or Austin gets a team.
- San Antonio is the 4th largest US city without an NFL team (2,703,999 people)
- Austin is the 6th largest US city without an NFL team (2,473,275 people)
- these cities are approximately 70 miles apart, the halfway point New Braunfels would be approximately 40-45 minute drive from either San Antonio or Austin
- Texas is the most diehard football state...and two MAJOR markets without NFL teams are only 40 minutes apart...that's a no brainer.
#3 San Diego, California - the Chargers should have never left California, that was a mistake, LA does not NEED or WANT two NFL teams, and they have demonstrated that they support the Rams, not the Chargers, the Chargers should go back the San Diego-Tijuana/Mexican market is SO MASSIVE to turn down...there are 3.2 million people in San Diego and 2.1 million people in Tijuana....I don't understand why the owner wants to be the second most popular football team in Los Angeles instead of the most popular in San Diego/Mexico
- San Diego is the 1st largest US city without an NFL team (3,269,973 people)
- Tijuana is across the boarder from San Diego and has an additional (2,157,853 people)
- the NFL desperately wants to expand into Mexico, and a team in San Diego gives 2 million Mexicans in Tijuana a team to cheer for, this is the best way to gain interest in Mexico (Mexico City is too high altitude for an NFL team) San Diego would be the PERFECT way to introduce the game to Mexicans...what a missed opportunity
#4 St. Louis, Missouri - poor St. Louis, they lost the Cardinals (1987) and the Rams in (2015), they did not deserve to lose the Rams, but Los Angeles was a better market than St. Louis, it doesn't mean St. Louis is a BAD market
- St. Louis is the 3rd largest US city without an NFL team 2,796,999 people (only San Diego and Orlando have more people)
- why does St. Louis deserve a third team? where else would you go? San Diego and Orlando are the ONLY larger markets in the US without NFL teams, and Florida and California already have 3 NFL teams each....
- St. Louis battlehawks in the XFL averaged 35,104 attendance last year, and averaged 34,365 attendace this year...by comparison the next best attended XFL team only averaged 14,143 people....2.5 times less than St. Louis averages....they LOVE FOOTBALL and they are STARVED FOR PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL
- Los Angeles deserves a football team, but San Diego and St. Louis should have never relocated...
Central California cities like Fresno Bakersfield Modesto Stockton maybe or maybe not getting an NFL team
The Fresno Ghettos
St. Louis has lost 2 teams, not 1 (Cardinals, Rams) and we want to give them a third? Hard pass
Tell me you haven't left the Midwest without telling me you haven't really left the Midwest. SLC wouldn't work without bending to religion
The Niners play in San Jose.
I do not think that Toronto will get an NFL team as long as the CFL still exists. The Canadian government would not look kindly on an effort to place a team there or anywhere north of the U S border. I live in L A. The Chargers are a second banana team here, competing for football fans with the Rams and two major college football programs.
"I do not think that Toronto will get an NFL team as long as the CFL still exists. The Canadian government would not look kindly on an effort to place a team there or anywhere north of the U S border."
based on what? what have you heard in LA??? I've never heard that from a reputable source.
You have 7.2 million people in the Toronto-Hamilton region...who don't watch CFL...they watch NFL...and don't support small American cities like Buffalo....
So, the Canadian government sees the opportunity to add a $5 Billion dollar NFL franchise as a bad thing?????
They don't want the money....and the drink and food sales? And TV rights? And the jobs associated with running a team, and building a new stadium, and building infrastructure?
So Canada doesn't want millions of dollars???? That makes no sense.
The least followed CFL team is Toronto...
The least followed NFL team is...Jacksonville? If you GOT RID of Jacksonvillewould it KILL the NFL??? No.
Neither would adding an NFL team in Toronto. The 10 people going to Argo's games are probably still going to attend...
@@sampicano I am an American, but i grew up in WNY near the border with Canada. Historically the Canadian goverment has acted to keep their culture separate from that of the US. If an NFL team was placed in Toronto it would put the CFL on shakier ground than it already is. So the overall impact would be negative for Canada.
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The least followed CFL team is Toronto...
The least followed NFL team is...Jacksonville? If you GOT RID of Jacksonville would it KILL the NFL??? No.
Neither would adding an NFL team in Toronto. The 10 people going to Argo's games are probably still going to attend...
You have no point...
"historically the Canadian government has acted to keep Canadian culture separate from that of the US"
....oh really?
GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE....I'LL WAIT
Which government did that????
@@stuartrubin5730 I think you realize what a MASSIVE threat a team in Toronto would be to Buffalo...but you won't admit the truth.
I think you know Toronto-Hamilton is 6 times larger than Buffalo....Buffalo is one of the smallest markets, and has one of the lowest values in the NFL...
I think you realize a team in Toronto would have more value and more fans.
Even though it's not a city, when is the State of New Jersey getting their own NFL football 🏈 team???
They have two. The Jets and Giants actually play in New Jersey
@@internetcomdianpeter True. However, BOTH team are referred to as NEW YORK.
There's only ONE NFL football 🏈 team from New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬. 👌
NY Giants
NY Jets
Philadelphia Eagles
Those are your teams.
Should put a team in Newak by the airport
@@SizzurpFoo What? Is the Giants AND the Jets not enough for you? Meanwhile, some large cities don't even have a team?
Sacramento?
1. SLC is awful. No one will go to a game on Sunday because Mormons. They have BYU football.
2. St Louis has lost teams twice before. What makes you think the third time will be different?
3. Toronto already has the Argonauts of the CFL.
4. Austin has Longhorn football. An NFL team would be more blacked out than a Jaguars game. San Antonio would be a fantastic choice though but wait til Jerry Jones is dead; he doesn't want to lose Cowboys fans and has previously blocked the city's efforts to get a team in the past.
5. San Diego just needs a new stadium and then relocate the Chargers back there, a la the Raiders in 1995 after nearly 15 years in LA.
Austin is growing with young nom binary people so they def won’t sell out season tickets
Move the chargers back to SD so more cities can get a new team.
I will always say Little Rock, Arkansas for an NFL team. Yes, I know it will never happen!! Save your replies.
My choices are Portland, Austin(San Antonio would also be part of that mark), and I think that’s pretty it, NFL is not going to Toronto because the NFL is not a global sport. It’s not the NBA or the NHL and MLS where they have international ties to other countries. And MLB is the only expecting because nobody cares about baseball and it’s not as American as it use to be and baseball is becoming less and less popular so people don’t really care if Canada gets more MLB teams such as Montreal and Vancouver, where the NFL is not like that at all.
Football was invented in Canada.
Also...there's 7.2 million people in Toronto-Hamilton
Also...more people watch NFL in Ontario than CFL...
So you have an untapped market, with 7 million people, and they watch NFL, and have a history with football....but that won't work in your mind?
Cool.
Just remember the one who spearheaded the Chargers and Rams to LA was Jerry Jones. Yes that Jerry Jones who owns the Cowboys.
Austin Texas is a bad location they have no infrastructure no highway system to move traffic you would sit in traffic for hours in that area
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Las Vegas getting a second NFL team maybe or maybe not
Two team cities are the largest metros in the country (LA, NY & CHI). LV is nowhere near that size
Reno would be more likely and maybe should. The thing about having a team in Las Vegas is that it is a tourist draw way more than a local event, as evidenced by the locale of the stadium. This concept should also work for Reno as well but with a more balanced local fandom. Despite its smaller size, Reno is way more suitable than Salt Lake City or Idaho, IMO.
@@overbanked
Since Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas is shared with a college team, a new team would require a new stadium, and I don’t believe that there is a political will for such an undertaking. The complexities of switching between college and NFL field and other standards is already odd, and if they were to actually put a new team in there, it would essentially be throwing a wrench into it.
This being said, any team in Las Vegas _is_ a tourist draw, and those lot could most probably fill it up with a decent second team. I would propose Reno though. The state sees what the Raiders financially did for tourism and maybe would want to repeat this in the state.
Not
Des Moines or Omaha?
Come on man, 32 teams is enough, 4 teams in 8 divisions works just fine
I think a 16 team second league. With a promotion/relegation system
Once NBA and MLB get to 32, you will hear more calls for the NFL to expand.
Why isn't Charleston, SC, ever considered for a pro sport franchise??? Charleston is one of America's fastest growing metropolitan areas, and they definitely have the infrastructure, money, and population to support a franchise.
32 teams is enough, there are enough teams in all of sports
Charleston has the 71st biggest metro. That's very small, only larger than Green Bay (which obviously is a special situation). Even Greenville (57th) and Columbia (70th) in the same state are larger. Charleston has 0 chance of getting any major league sport for the foreseeable future. Enjoy the Carolina Panthers
@@overbanked Charleston is growing fast. It and the Greenville area will probably get some type of team within the next twenty years if trends continue.
Greenville-Spartanburg is about 1.5 million people, while Charleston is closing in on a million.
Packer fan here.,, Green Bay supported statewide Wisconsin, where fans travel in droves to home games from other sides of state. They even make all home games driving as far as Minnesota, North Dakota & South Dakota & Iowa.
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St. Louis Salt Lake City Richmond Oklahoma City
STL
San Antonio > Austin
Bro..toronto is not happening..its Buffaloa market
And every Toronto Bills game sold out
My 5 cities for NFL expansiob are (1) Louisville; (2) Austin; (3) San Antonio; (4) Memphis; and (5) Honolulu
Dude you need to half the amount of time you rant about these stadiums
The videos are good, but you spend at least 2 or 3 minutes babbling nonsense on each one after you've given all the info.
I can't watch these anymore mate, it's too much. Which sucks because I really liked this channel at first.
Cut out the nonsensical rambling. Plan what you're going to say, don't just drone on and on about nothing
NFL expansion will happen in Europe
There is NO city that makes sense in the United States or Canada. The reality is that if you live in a town in either of these countries and that town doesn't have a team, getting a team won't make you a fan. You already are one or you're not magically going to become one just by Home Team showing up. This means no new fans, which in turn means splitting the same amount of money more ways, or less for everybody. The only place that you're going to actually generate so much new revenue that it equates to more money for everyone is Europe. If Mexico could get out of its own way, Mexico City would be desirable but the current climate there is a non starter and the culture of corruption there means it's likely a permanent no-go. I have zero interest in the NFL in Europe but economics doesn't lie and thats the only place that makes fiscal sense.
Football was invented in Canada.
there's 7.2 million people in Toronto-Hamilton
Also...more people watch NFL in Ontario than CFL...
So 7.2 million is like the size of Philadelphia, Miami or Atlanta...you think a city the size of PHILADELPHIA, MIAMI or ATLANTA "makes no sense"
There's also San Antonio and Austin which are top 5 US markets....like 45 minutes from each other.
Turns out you are wrong lol
@@sampicano 'tis better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Sure those towns have sizeable populations, but those people are already NFL fans. They're already spending money on jerseys, the network, etc. They aren't NEW money.
Salt Lake pop 204,657 , never going to happen. St louis is a dying city meaning in city population is 286,578, Austin is nit a Nfl city far to Art oriented and music oriented. Not Happening. San Antonio may be there. Toronto does not like American rules football. Not Going to happen in Canada. Your ideas are ridiculously flawed. Oklahoma City is larger than 4 cities on your list and it would not be a good fit, Sacremento is better than Oakland. OKC is a Sooner city, it is our pro team. Albuquerque is larger than salt lake and no team and would biist a very impoverished state. This would bring more resources back to a state that was stripped by Cali ands Texas of the resources. Omaha, largest city next to OKC and Texas ciries and Minniapolis in center plains, has resouces and the abundance of cash flow to make it desirable unlike st louis riots do not regularly occur. Loiuisville is larger thasn Cincinati and would be KY defacto sports team beautiful river front and generous people welco0ming people.
Pro teams look at TV Market size and SLC is a bigger Market than Austin, look it up.
@@ericacottle3507 really? hmm why doesn' t Louisville have a team, markets is just one thing pro teams look at many discretionary terms. See Austin as a metro has 2.4 million the market size opf salt lake apparently is 100,000 smaller than the entire state of utah at 3.3 as compared to the 3.2 of its market becuase neilsen takes into acct that while austin dwarfs the hell out of salt lake city and almost matched your state pop by its reduced metro based on metros sharing area that is fixed on other cities neilsen market sshare like hmm college station and others. so by proxcy if there were no Tulsa and we went off the assanine idea that one city determines an entore states market share OKC would be close to 4.4 million. which is ridiculous. like I said Market share means not so much as it may have once meant. The market Share for Hartford conneticut could eaqsily be the entire state of the smallish Conneticut and perhaps even share some with New York alongg the bridgeport 95 corridor. which would be 3.6 million and larger than salt lake without 95 corridor new york. Same is true for other places like Virginia beach which would share a population with norfolk and the markets sorrounding it. Ne3ilsen gives one city SLC its state pop for market share, That is kind of a joke. I personally do now want an nfl team in Oklahoma I am happy with The Oklahoma Sooners. Wealth is the main concern for a team can the party or parties buying it sustain it will he state supporft it. OKC is building or will be building a 1907 ft sky scraper, 1907 the year we became a state. the Tallest in the Usa and top 5 in the wqorld along with that the thunder will have a new hjome in a new arena, and Ou sits in the Palace on the prarie. We still have the William brothers, the Sinclair Family, the Phillips family the Getty Family the Skelly Family and many other old energy co. Billiuonaiores where once we were the Oil capital of the world there is still pleanty of old money inter mingling with new money and is why OKC is growing at 2x the rate of the national average. Again the market numbers hide a lot of detail, give Austin the circumferance of ustah and the Market share would not be close it would be in the Dallas Houston range. It is all about how it is carved up.
@@Lane2268 you're right there are many factors that determine the attractiveness of a city/market to get a major league franchise, such as corporate support, growth rate, average age etc. But population/tv sets and ease of commute are the biggest. The tv market or DMA is determined by geography and proximity to other major tv Markets. I'm sorry if you're butt hurt by Austin's market size but it is a fact they are ranked #35 and Salt Lake is ranked #27 because its market of 2.8 million people is just larger. Major pro leagues look at all kinds of factors and especially the stability of potential owners. SLC meets all the criteria as an urban center to have the population, corporate support, desired geographic location in an untapped area, high growth rate, hight birth rate, low crime....everything you would want in a pro franchise. They have a proven track record with the Jazz of 50 years, MLS for nearly 20 years, and have 35,000 season ticket deposits for their new NHL club. I think Austin is a wonderful city and is capable of having an NFL city but you trashing Salt Lake because why? Idk....and I'm not sure why you bring Louisville into the conversation but its a considerably smaller tv market than Salt Lake. The networks value tvs in the home, and the Wasatch Front which makes the SLC tv market has enough to satisfy the network execs. FYI the Salt Lake market is larger than 9 existing NFL markets. Bottom line if Salt Lake didn't meet the criteria they would never be considered, but they are considered and are seriously being considered for MLB as well. Its a beautiful area and great place for young professionals and families.
" Toronto does not like American rules football. Not Going to happen in Canada. "
First search on Google....
"The NFL is more popular in Canada than the CFL" September 2023 article
"Super-ior Bowl? Most Canadian football fans would choose Super Bowl over Grey Cup" February 2023
"NFL Football Is Huge In Canada" January 2024
Poll from 2024 showed more people watch NFL in Ontario...get your facts straight instead of just spreading lies...lol Americans
@@ericacottle3507 SLC is a far worse football market than Austin...also San Antonio is 40 min drive away....
So San Antonio and Austin or SLC....
TEXAS WINS LITERALLY EVERY TIME
I have on good authority (totally made this up) that the NFL is going to trade the Seahawks and Jets to annex the CFL. The Chargers will move to Monterey Mexico, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers will join the NFL and the CFL will revive their CFL South ambitions from the 90s...
AFC East:
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
New England
AFC Central:
Cleveland
Indianapolis
Cincinnati
Tennessee
AFC South:
Miami
Jacksonville
MonterreyMX Chargers
Houston
AFC West:
Denver
Kansas City
OKC Expansion Team
Winnipeg
NFC East:
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina
NY Giants
NFC Central:
Minnesota
Detroit
Green Bay
Chicago
NFC South:
Atlanta
New Orleans
Tampa Bay
Dallas
NFC West:
San Francisco
Las Vegas
Arizona
LA Rams
CFL East:
Toronto
NJ Jets
Montreal
Hamilton
Ottawa
Quebec Nordiques
CFL West:
Seattle
BC
Calgary
Saskatchewan
Edmonton
Honolulu
CFL South:
Louisville Stallions
St. Louis Archers
Norfolk Spiders
Huntington
CFL Gulf:
JacksonMS Pearls
Shreveport Stevedores
Memphis
Birmingham Barracudas
CFL Sky:
Boise
Salt Lake City Posse
Sacramento Smelters
PortlandOR Flapjacks
The CFL will play by CFL rules.
CFL-NFL will play four regular season interleague games a season per team, home team determines which rulebook is used.
My favorite part is St Louis getting football back and 🖕🏽🖕🏽ing the NFL 😂😂😂
I like your list however if you do some research into the Toronto market they don't have much of a hunger for football as they have the worst attendance in the CFL year after year. BUT I'm going out on a limb and I'm saying that if the NFL were to go into Canada then I think Saskatchewan (Regina or Saskatoon) would be a great choice, I'm not from there but their fanbase is ridiculous and they out support the rest of the CFL cities by a long shot but the downfall of Saskatchewan would be those two cities have a population of less than 500,000 and their metro area doesn't bump that number up much, and not a big media center..... but if there's an owner willing to gamble on it I think it'd be huge and far more successful than Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver..... that's my opinion
"I like your list however if you do some research into the Toronto market they don't have much of a hunger for football as they have the worst attendance in the CFL year after year. BUT I'm going out on a limb and I'm saying that if the NFL were to go into Canada then I think Saskatchewan (Regina or Saskatoon) would be a great choice,"
you clearly did NO research...Toronto LOVES the NFL....and does not watch CFL...Toronto LOVES football....but does not support small American cities (like Buffalo)
Saskatchewan is honestly...not even top 8 choices in Canada...and they are the most diehard football province (similar to Alabama)
Regina - 249,217 people
Saskatoon - 317,480 people
Name ANY American city with 300 thousand people that could support NFL....
Green Bay works because it has Milwaukee, and Madison within driving distance...a city with less than 350 thousand people could not support NFL.
Milwaukee has 1,560,424 people
Saskatchewan THE ENTIRE PROVINCE has 1,132,505 people...LMFAO
TORONTO HAS 7.2 MILLION PEOPLE....TORONTO IS LITERALLY 6 TIMES LARGER THAN BUFFALO HAHAHAHA