The two cities with the worst housing crises also have the longest average commute time? It just sounds like affordability is pushing people farther and farther out.
What Vancouver is lacking is a decent commuter rail system. They only have the one line, the West Coast Express which has very limited service. There are several rail corridors in the metro area that they should make use of
Being second worst isn’t any better. The issue with Toronto isn’t lack of good public transport, it’s just the city grew much faster than planners had anticipated coupled with cuts to expansions in the 90s and you have the mess you have today. Now they’re playing catchup but this isn’t something that can be solved in a few years. In the 1990s and early 2000s nothing was done about public transport….that’s almost 15 years….so it’ll take twice the amount of time just to reach a point where public transport meets the needs of residents. All these projects now happening should have been spread out over a period starting from the 90s to present day. Instead all of this is happening over the past ten years and it’s created hurdles….Scarborough RT replacement, Line 5, Ontario Line etc. The only positive out of this is better late than never….I guess.
All of Ontario is still paying for Mike Harris's commonsense revolution, which I knew at that time, was pure nonsense. We can never fully recover from that era.
The GTA is growing at a much faster rate than Toronto proper. Realistically we'd need to have a whole new set of transit projects across the GTA lined up and ready to go once the current batch is done. We actually didn't build much in the way of new transit in the 1980's either so we're 40 years behind on transit not 15.
As we adopt hub and spoke transit models, it is critical that transfers are efficient. I recently took a trip (that was not that far) that took 1 hr 50 min, because buses failed miserably. Wait times were excessive for whatever reason. In the end, I had to walk 3 kms, because wait times were ridiculous.
I highly recommend reading David R. Spencer's Transit Progress Derailed: Ontario Hydro's Radial Electric Railway Scheme. Had that gone through transportation in Southern Ontario, especially in the GTHA would have been radically different than it is now. We would have an electrified version of GO Transit in the 1920s instead of a dieselized version in the 1960s.
I'd like to see how this is scored. It dawns on me that some city could totally win this by only having a single bus route that was only 20 minutes long from end to end. The 17 people that took that bus a week average only a 12 and half minute commute. Clearly they are the winner.
That Toronto may not, among cities in Canada, Alaska, Hawaii and the Lower 48 US states, have the average longest commute time definitely doesn’t mean it doesn’t have its problems either
I wonder if part of this shift is more and more Torontonians living just outside the core or in the GTA have simply decided not to bother coming into the core anymore. As an eastender, I mostly travel east or north-east, avoiding anything west of the Don Valley/404. It's just unfortunate they never built a third international airport in Pickering.
Does that mean its the longest because of delays or its the longest commute because many people use it for long trips? They only have 1 Heavy rail line so maybe the long commute time is from people traveling long distances on the system? They need a GO like network for the longer trips
It's not possible to spend an hour going one way on transit in Vancouver. You're talking about Metro Vancouver, and many suburbs are far from progressive. But no matter how you slice it: we don't have Doug Ford. So we win.
OMG being a Vancouverite it’s interesting to see Torontonians take on long commute times. I’m not gonna lie our transit network is at least 5 years behind. Our road infrastructure though is a whopping 10 YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE. We got tons of new tunnels and bridges that are still undergoing construction and planning, our two transit expansions are just extensions to the Expo and Millennium line that were items that were put on a back burner. We should be building the new 15 lane Double decked Iron Workers Memorial Bridge between the North Shore and Metro Van with the new North Shore Skytrain at the same time. Bureaucrats keep arguing about what TransLink needs to do while the transit agency is running on its own plans. We need METRO VANCOUVER to sit with TRANSLINK so we get actual progress and not an agency fighting the conglomerates that make Metro Vancouver.
The two cities with the worst housing crises also have the longest average commute time?
It just sounds like affordability is pushing people farther and farther out.
Only if they choose a car-dependent lifestyle over the bliss of walking or cycling.
What Vancouver is lacking is a decent commuter rail system. They only have the one line, the West Coast Express which has very limited service. There are several rail corridors in the metro area that they should make use of
Same as Toronto in some ways I would say.
A GO-Train for Ottawa? It's more likely than you think!
ua-cam.com/video/y6M-QTXMMsA/v-deo.html 9.9 mins
Being second worst isn’t any better. The issue with Toronto isn’t lack of good public transport, it’s just the city grew much faster than planners had anticipated coupled with cuts to expansions in the 90s and you have the mess you have today. Now they’re playing catchup but this isn’t something that can be solved in a few years. In the 1990s and early 2000s nothing was done about public transport….that’s almost 15 years….so it’ll take twice the amount of time just to reach a point where public transport meets the needs of residents. All these projects now happening should have been spread out over a period starting from the 90s to present day. Instead all of this is happening over the past ten years and it’s created hurdles….Scarborough RT replacement, Line 5, Ontario Line etc.
The only positive out of this is better late than never….I guess.
All of Ontario is still paying for Mike Harris's commonsense revolution, which I knew at that time, was pure nonsense. We can never fully recover from that era.
The GTA is growing at a much faster rate than Toronto proper. Realistically we'd need to have a whole new set of transit projects across the GTA lined up and ready to go once the current batch is done. We actually didn't build much in the way of new transit in the 1980's either so we're 40 years behind on transit not 15.
As we adopt hub and spoke transit models, it is critical that transfers are efficient. I recently took a trip (that was not that far) that took 1 hr 50 min, because buses failed miserably. Wait times were excessive for whatever reason. In the end, I had to walk 3 kms, because wait times were ridiculous.
Yeah that sucks
I highly recommend reading David R. Spencer's Transit Progress Derailed: Ontario Hydro's Radial Electric Railway Scheme. Had that gone through transportation in Southern Ontario, especially in the GTHA would have been radically different than it is now. We would have an electrified version of GO Transit in the 1920s instead of a dieselized version in the 1960s.
I'd like to see how this is scored. It dawns on me that some city could totally win this by only having a single bus route that was only 20 minutes long from end to end. The 17 people that took that bus a week average only a 12 and half minute commute. Clearly they are the winner.
That would be a good question to look into.
That Toronto may not, among cities in Canada, Alaska, Hawaii and the Lower 48 US states, have the average longest commute time definitely doesn’t mean it doesn’t have its problems either
I wonder if part of this shift is more and more Torontonians living just outside the core or in the GTA have simply decided not to bother coming into the core anymore. As an eastender, I mostly travel east or north-east, avoiding anything west of the Don Valley/404. It's just unfortunate they never built a third international airport in Pickering.
It could be, but doesn't it bother you that we're not worst anymore? 😉
@@OurToronto I was in Vancouver in September and the traffic coming in from and out to the airport was pretty bad.
Does that mean its the longest because of delays or its the longest commute because many people use it for long trips? They only have 1 Heavy rail line so maybe the long commute time is from people traveling long distances on the system? They need a GO like network for the longer trips
It's not possible to spend an hour going one way on transit in Vancouver. You're talking about Metro Vancouver, and many suburbs are far from progressive. But no matter how you slice it: we don't have Doug Ford. So we win.
I'm not for Doug Ford, but at least he was opposed to allowing a Hastings Ave E developing here in Toronto.
@@OurToronto The problems of the downtown eastside began before Doug Ford was born.
Mexico is North America!!
We finally beat the Torontonians at something
Physical distancing lead to more people buying cars.
More people buying cars leads to more physical distance.
OMG being a Vancouverite it’s interesting to see Torontonians take on long commute times. I’m not gonna lie our transit network is at least 5 years behind. Our road infrastructure though is a whopping 10 YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE. We got tons of new tunnels and bridges that are still undergoing construction and planning, our two transit expansions are just extensions to the Expo and Millennium line that were items that were put on a back burner. We should be building the new 15 lane Double decked Iron Workers Memorial Bridge between the North Shore and Metro Van with the new North Shore Skytrain at the same time. Bureaucrats keep arguing about what TransLink needs to do while the transit agency is running on its own plans. We need METRO VANCOUVER to sit with TRANSLINK so we get actual progress and not an agency fighting the conglomerates that make Metro Vancouver.
Broken transit and government is bringing us all together 😉