Great to hear how well it’s going. I fell in love with Festool on a flash sale purchase of a track saw and I’m now a sucker for their kit. Before then my world was Ryobi and home made jigs which are still going strong and do a pretty good job. Anyway, I’m a shit hobbyist that loves woodwork and my Festool kit makes creating my crap projects easier, but they are more accurately shit and I smile more when using Festool. At the end of the day who cares? I enjoy these videos and learn a lot from them.
Just brought mine after being invited to hq last week and trying it out!!! What an amazing machine!!! I’m a general chippy so it’s a site saw for me and it’s absolutely amazing!!!!
@@10MinuteWorkshopI did a larch cladding job with it today, all the ripping and all the small repetitive cross cuts for a soffit, it was perfect every time, I did go through 2 sets of 5.0 batteries but I don’t mind because it’s a pleasure to use!!!
Ok I bought one this week, so far very impressed. So far agree with what is said here. Festool could improve the fence. Not as concerned about batteries, seems to be just like my makita battery tools, works long enough on a charge for what I do. That said the sys50 is really impressive for its size and the digital control is spot on. No regrets at all.
I am looking at a new table saw after using my Lidl Parkside for the last five years Peter and now I am green with envy, doesn't happen to me often but the Festool is just something else and out of my justifiable price range. 😂 Great reminder for a cleaning session which as I dismantled my Parkside I also did. I also use the Trend cleaner, great stuff.
Just got mine and it's incredible for what i use it for on my staircase refurbs and built in draws inderneath. Along with the festool track saw the mft table and the extractor its a mobile workshop second to none. Wouldnt swap it for anything, yes its pricey but if its your living and you want great results then this kit will pay for itself very quickly and besides that as the person using it I have to say I love its ease of use, its exact...its quiet...its a joy to use and if you are using something on a daily basis that is also very important to me.
Great Peter! According to Festool this saw was developed for the on site fitting jobs, thus rightly a battery operated saw. Judging by the high number of Festool’s Precisio CS50 hitting the second hand market - this saw has found its way to those targeted. That we, the hobbyists and semi stationary find it extremely interesting is in fact a secondary market. I really like it, and I have a CS50, and I want a CSC 50 as well, because of the slider close to the blade, and the fast an accurate height adjustment + It runs cordless! Yippee! and it’s highly portable! And it’s from what users report: Very accurate. That said, we might see a larger saw with many of the same features, only bigger and corded - My guess that is😉
I’ve just added my second festool tool to my armoury (third if you count the dust extractor) I got a battery powered KS60 to go with my TS60. Wow I’m impressed. I notice that the rear battery drains faster even though I always link the front battery to the extractor! Bug is well and truly got. Table saw is probably a few years away yet! Oh and if it wasn’t clear, I’m blaming you for all of it Peter! 😂❤
I’am a hobbyist as wel but money wel spend! What I do for a good clean up is: Behind the folding table is another piece you can remove. You can then enter the saw from the other size of the blade. Specially when you have use the saw big time and you want put the cover on it , you want to clean this area. When you boxed is again transport it and then open your saw you wil se a big sawdust surprise on your hole machine. But that’s the only negative point I have. This saw is a game changer for me!! I
I would buy one in a heart beat if it had mains cord. I don't use Festool Battery op tools. So I have no Festool Batteries. I love the compact size and the sliding table. I really hope they eventually make a corded version.
Recently arrived in Australia. The excuse they gave to our regulator as to why they should have a free pass on our trade laws was that they could properly service the Australian market. The price in Australia would buy a quite serviceable second hand car or a second hand cabinet saw, drop saw, band saw, drill press and a few bucks leftover. We are being well and truly serviced by Festool.
Yes, I did smile to myself when Peter said he ended up buying it (saw) from Amazon. Festool price is locked across all trade outlets in Australia, and Amazon sell for 4.4k or 5k + $700 for delivery and says it ships in 6-7 months on Amazon. That adds up to what I paid for a full size sawstop c/s
Peter, I agree (not that it matters). The saw is a great kit but only combined with TS, which I also have. I down sized to make this combo happen as I like most other hobbyists have precious little space. The one thing I would add is dado blades are out which means those cuts need to be made on a router table, which is just as inconvenient as switching out the blades on a table. I splurged and purchased an extra set of batteries, which has proven to be a great choice. I hope that FT makes one of those corded battery adapters in the future so I can just plug in and forget it.
Thanks Peter, how can that be a year already, glad to hear it's performed well for you though, it's a nice bit of kit for sure, but then it should be ! 💰💰💰 When I watch a video like this, I resolve to maintain my machines more regularly and then promptly forget again until the next time something plays up or I see another maintenance video ! The small child comment was a bit of a worry ( just a figure of speech I know ) ! 😲😉🤣
Thanks for posting this video. I got myself the table saw and benchdogs csc fence recently. Managed to drop the 1mm spacer into the gap between the blade and saw body. Was nervous about opening it all the way. Would have been braver if I saw this video first.
Did you spot any screws near the underside? I would hope there'd be a way to unmount and lift the saw off its base for cleaning. Similar to how it is done on toasters where you can pull out a sled with all the debris on it.
Yeah, there are some adapters that connects with the tool in the place of the battery, so you could use main power to run it. Festool should offer something like that! Anyway, thanks, Peter! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
It’s one that came with a Sealey sander; I meant to throw it away tbh (the hose, not the sander) but it came in handy this time. You can get a 22mm Mirka hose that’ll do something similar. 👍
I use the TREND cleaner quite regularly. It works well for me and quickly removes the gummy buildup. Used on router bits too. 250mm Freud table saw blades.
That blade cleaner did a cracking job. I was looking at my mitre saw blade the other day thinking it's getting a bit gunked up and cuts not as clean as they were. Never had blades worth worrying about before but with a Freud on it I might give it a spruce.
Useful tips for cleaning the blade and how to deploy different capacity/functionality batteries to best effect. I've found using this saw with the cordless CTL-SYS you effectively need three pairs of 4Ah batteries just for the CTL; one pair installed, one ready and one charging for continuous use of the saw, because the smaller batteries are only good for about 15-20 minutes depending upon extraction setting. Same goes for the TSC55. BTW I would have taken the batteries out of the CSC-SYS and not relied on the soft power switch, but that's just for me. We are all grown ups!
I'm happy I'm not the only hobbyist commenting here. My main concern in purchasing this saw is buyer's remorse, for the limited use I will give it. But I've looked at so many table saws in the last few years and never found anything close concerning size and features - they were either cumbersome with more capacity than required or small and weak, closer to a toy than a real table saw (as it is my current PROXXON FET "table saw" with a max of 25mm cutting capacity). As I need something like 45mm for my DYI projects I got a Makita track saw, it does the job, but it takes much more time and preparation than a table saw. My cordless tools are Dewalt so I'm a bit reluctant to jump to a cordless anything else, but the sliding table, features and compactness of this SYS 50, together with the low noise and effective dust extraction ... man... a tough decision... but we only live once, right? Thanks for sharing the detailed video!
A precision gear type rack and pinion micro adjust fence, would probably add 4-$500 to the saw but might be bad ass 😎. Nice video. I usually have a battery blower nearby when I’m on a job and if I can I’ll just hit the saw with that real quick and since I have the midivac right there anyway ill stick one of the cleaning nozzles inside the saw real quick before I put the lid back on. My blades get stickier than yours does faster though and I can’t believe that’s the first time you changed it. I got the rip blade right when I bought the saw and I’m switching them all the time. I do finish carpentry on site. This saw is perfect for three piece corner baseboard on the slider, and ripping thin >1” 1-1/2”material. Got it first day here in US. 😊
I was very sceptical about this saw at first, but it has grown on me. I think festool has dropped the ball with the lack of a mains cable adaptor for this and the ks60 cordless saw...it's a system that works well with the DeWalt mitre saws, and if you were lucky (and loaded enough) to own the festool power station or an Ecoflow battery, you could work off grid all day long. Sadly, I doubt that I shall ever own one....because the wife knows how much they really cost 😭
I just use the misses regular washing liquid (Persil) diluted 50/50 with water. Use a large container lid put in the liquid and blade and soak over night all the resin, etc comes off easy peasy. 🏴
The Deawlt gets good write ups, both battery and corded. And it's considerably cheaper. On the subject of a mains cable to fit the saw the Dewalt flexvolt chopsaw has this but it doesn't fit the table saw and I remember about a year ago a contractor in the U.S burnt his chopsaw motor out a couple of times and it turned out it was the power cable causing it.
Yes, it does; it's also considerably louder, with less effective dust collection. The DeWalt and the Bosch are excellent site saws, but that's not what I wanted from a compact table saw. Interesting re the DW mains adapter and chop saw, thanks. 👍
Good grief, Charlie Brown! It's a year already??!! 🤪 I still love the look of this saw and would still love to own one but still won't because there is no option to run it without buying into a battery platform I would not be using for anything else :( A real bummer considering how many other Festool tools I use and love - all corded except for my jolly little original gen CXS... PS I should add that I am really happy for you, though!
The festool haters crack me up 😂if you don’t want to put your had in your pocket then don’t. But festool make fantastic tools that will outlast all the other mainstream brands, their service and warranty is second to none. I am still using my original track saw from 2005 and only had to fit new brushes. Also the resale valve is better than anything else I've owned. Just sold an 8 year old ts55 for two thirds of it's cost when new to upgrade to the latest version. Buy cheap buy twice.
100% agree; I still have mu first TS55 from 2006, changed the brushes once after about 11 years, still going strong. The warranty and the longevity are often ignored by so many. 👍
You have to hand it to Festool, that little saw looks a beast, I winched when you said how much! but systainer size!!!!! only haters will be people who have never used a Festool tool, I wish I had found them about 15yrs earlier. 1st thing I bought was a 2nd hand Domino (nearly as much as a new one they hold value) hooked from just holding the thing. Looks a good buy in the long term (as all festool tools are) but at my age, not for me anymore. You updated the firmware on the batteries, I hope you have the app on your phone as well lol
I detailed all the saws in the 'why buy this saw' video - link in description - and the Erika was on the list, but was just too costly to be a serious contender. 🤷♂️ 👍
So tempted to get one for my current project (resisted). My local tool and wood pusher has sold 5 or 6. 2 or 3 have given him some feedback: They say it's the real deal, a hard worker. Why is it I'll spend that amount or more on a new lens for the camera; but for a saw I get cold feet? My use case typically involves ripping long boards down. This project has me using a dado blade a LOT. I much prefer the dado to a router when possible - and typically it's possible. I "fear" I'll get one later this year... LOL
If you want to affect change, you really need to be addressing your comments to the manufacturer. But yes, that would be sensible - and maybe the baseplate is removable - I didn’t look. 🤷♂️
There’s a photo/video/tach list in my store at 10minuteAmazon.com that covers the basics, but there’s a ton of stuff accumulated over the years. If there was anything specific you were looking at that isn’t on the list then give a shout. 👍
I can’t help but long to see an Inca head to head with the Festool. I never had a Inca but I spent many hours looking at the Garett Wade catalog. I eventually was able to purchase the tool but sadly it was no longer for sale.
I have bought pretty much all the Inca tools over the years. The only two I still have are their 259 table saw, and the 240 small bandsaw. There isn't any comparison with Festool. dust extraction is terrible, though I haven't done much to upgrade it. I just roll it outside. But given that I live in a Canada, and won't use it or any other TS in my shop, it is a severe limitation. I love the saw, and it was basically free. I have bought them for about 400 Canadian. Oddly, they used to show up all the time for sale. Either that was a once only event as that age group aged out. Or maybe sales have moved to some other digital platform I don't use. But for a few years one could find anything and I bought out a whole shop, sold off parts and ended up with the tools I wanted for free. I have the bandsaw because it came with 10 blades, so I decided to keep it until the blades wore out. I actually prefer it to my large Laguna.... So probably the Laguna will go first. I would buy the smaller Inca TS, and the smaller planer/jointer (bought it and sold it from LV years back). But alas, I have not seen a single one come up for sale recently. The Festool saw could sit nicely on the top of the INCA, and then one could use the INCA only when one had larger jobs to do. The Inca uses an external motor, and will last pretty much for ever. You never have to upgrade every time there is a new Bluetooth feature. The only annoying feature, at least as far as how they were designed in the day, is that there is a knob that one turns to raise or lower the blade. Tedious and a little hard on the hands. The solution is a tool that turns the knob with a drill driver. Some machinery knobs have an acorn nut on them, so there isn't any special tool required, but this would require a 3D printed socket, or a socket cut from plywood. While not the same kind of thing, there are so many jobsite saws available today with reasonable feature sets that Inca tools are no longer the only thing. Inca stood astride elements of the jobsite market (or so it seemed as a tourist in Germany), but also the precision model, instrument, cabinet market.
Hi Peter, Would you recommend a battery table saw I know it would be good for off site work, but being in a workshop where there is 13 amp sockets would you preferred mains in the workshop. This does look a good table saw and trouble free after a year you must be happy with it. I do agree with you it should have a mains option or some sort of trickle charge to keep the battery charged for the workshop or off site if you have power available. As always a great and honest video Take care
I’d prefer mains in the workshop, but honestly this has been flawless, so I’ve no issue with it at all. It’s worked for me, you can only find out if it works for you by buying one, unfortunately! 👍👍
Do you use it for stuff that you did not originally think you'd use it for - if you will, did it take over tasks that you used to use the tracksaw for? (I get by with just the track saw, and there's not much I can't do with it, but for some completely irrational reason I've also been tempted by this little table saw. I guess what I'm looking for is good reasons/excuses to buy one, even though the track saw is more than adequate for my needs;-)
No, it’s definitely a trimming saw for small, precise cuts. I’ve never been tempted to feed a half-sheet of plywood through it - that’s a job for the tracksaw. But the combination of the two is hard to beat, provided you can live with the depth of cut. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I don't have enough space to cut sheets of plywood with anything else than a tracksaw anyway;-) What I could use a small table saw for would be to rip narrow pieces of hardwood, stuff like that. I can do it with a tracksaw, but it is a bit of a pain to make sure the rail is not tipping a bit, etc. I now mostly do those sort of cuts with my bandsaw, and then put the pieces through the thicknesser. Works quite well, so I don't really need the table saw. I just imagine it would make some of those cuts even easier and give a better quality cut than the bandsaw.
May I add some point for the benefits of having this saw? I used to use track saw for all cutting tasks (except those I can do quicker with Japanies hand saw). but I've always struggle to get nice clean cut when it comes for strips I need for end-grain cutting boards. It has always been a need to smooth pieces with hand plane. when i bought this saw in last october It became a game changer. cut is so clean and smooth that I can glue up pieces right after sawing. secondly I forgot all the fighting I had with the track to put it firmly on a narrow pieces. so if you are dealing a lot with cutting something small for track saw this saw will be a huge benefits.
@@The9q11 Yes, that's exactly the sort of thing I could use a small table saw for. I've also made quite a few endgrain cutting boards with just the tracksaw, and have made all sorts of jigs that help me to cut thin pieces accurately. But it takes time to set up, and if you just quickly want to rip a few smallish pieces, a table saw would undoubtedly be faster (and more dangerous). As for getting clean cuts with the track saw when you rip hardwood, the key is to use the right blade. At the start I just used the standard blade that came with the saw. Changing to the Festool rip blades made a huge difference.
Surprised how easy you got the spindle lock to pop. Unless you edited some of the struggle out. I legit thought my key was going to break that’s how hard I had to push.
While I agree it would be lovely to have a cord option, after having talked with quite a few tool shop staff, and the Festool rep who demonstrated this saw when it was released, there are a lot of problems after a while with battery and cord systems, even on other tool brands, so it has not yet been totally worked out. From what some are saying it is an electronic inconsistency issue.
Yes, as I say isn’t the vid I only have one pair of Bluetooth (5.2ah) batteries, so I started using a 4.2 in the front slot and a 5.2 bt in the rear; the rear drains slightly faster, and using ‘uneven pairs’ means that I always have a Bluetooth connection to the vac. 👍
Depends what the long bevel rip is for; if it’s a45° mitre for two panels to join then this isn’t the saw for that. If it’s back-bevelling an infill or scribe, then the saw does a -11° bevel away from the fence. 👍
Peter, shim and move. If you want to move the width of a sheet of paper. Clamp a block to the table with a shim the thickness you want to move, between the fence and the block. Release the fence, remove the shim, and move the the fence against the stop block, and clamp it down. I have a set of gage blocks, and a fan of laminate samples next to the tablesaw, just for that purpose.
Hi Peter, how do you think the saw would work if you were still doing general remodeling work? Would it be up to the task for a one or two man business doing bathrooms and kitchens ? What other table saws have you had experience with on the jobsite? Thanks, Jay
Absolutely- it’s what the saw was designed for, as a site saw for installers and fitters doing trim work. I’ve used the DeWalt and Bosch site saw in the past, not a fan of either. 👍
Hi Peter, have you ripped much solid timber with yours? I didn’t have high expectations for being able to do this, but when I got a rip blade unfortunately it was way worse than i expected, since I found the thin blade flexes uncontrollably (almost felt like a harmonic / resonance issue - I was going pretty gentle with it). Was never sure if this was a ‘just me’ issue with the particular blade I had - but I’ve moved to ripping on a small bandsaw, which is actually preferable anyway.
I thought everyone knew that bandsaw dust is rubbish for burying small children? A good bit of lime and soft earth is what you want for that!!😂 Christ...has it been a year already?
Hello Peter, good, honest, straightforward review as always. For me, too much technology for technologies sake on, what is, a relatively simple machine tool. Looks like Festool have taken a leaf out of the auto makers books. Maybe just a good excuse for adding to the high price.
I went for a larger saw, O does it dominate the space. The smaller footprint of Festool has a lot going for it. Q. are the blades interchangeable with other Festool saws?
could you please explain why I would want a bluetooth battery in the first place? I've had my saw for about 6 months and wasn't able to make the connection and I have to wonder why I would want it. Love the saw though. Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks. Because it’s a cordless tool it won’t auto start the extractor. A Bluetooth battery - connected to anything, whether that’s a drill, plungesaw or tablesaw - will start the vac, provided the vac is recent enough to be Bluetooth enabled and the batteries are paired with it. 👍
Adding a DRO should not be all that difficult to install for fence adjustment. I questioned why it wasn’t already done when the saw was launched. I too want the cord option.
It’s a shame Festool don’t have an air stream 18v adapter that has a plug it cable like the ergo batteries that the sanders use. Nice video. It looks like that saw is worth the money. 👍🏻
I would get it in a heartbeat if it was corded and had a SawStop break cartridge. I'm most likely getting the SawStop CTS in conjunction with my TS 75.
That grid pattern of small walls on the inside base of the unit looks like it was perfectly designed to annoy anyone trying to manoeuvre small vac hoses under all the various bits. A smooth base plate would be a lot more helpful there you’d think. That cleaning solution looks worth it though. Don’t think I’ve cleaned any of my blades for a good while.
Did ever you hear any more about the Festool 'corded' alternative? I seem to recall that there was a rumour, back when you first raised the question, of an alternative accessory. Or maybe that is a Festool Unicorn? There is, of course, the price to be considered, since it's Festool the cable might cost the same as a DeWalt tablesaw... 😂
Festool rarely disappoints. I now have Rotex, extractor and x2 domino’s. I could not justify another battery platform. You need 4x battery on top of saw cost, charger. I would have gone down the Festool route for a mains powered, now own a Bosch instead Thanks for the update 👍🏻
I thing the rear battery draining faster is intentional design by Festool. This way you are only needing to rotate and charge one battery at a time, which on a job site makes for more efficiency and more batteries available on demand. For a home diy'er who may not have a surplus of batteries, having equal drain could stop a weekend project dead in its tracks.
They don’t drain at *that* different a rate though; if you’ve only swapping out one battery I’m pretty sure the remaining one would drain before it was charged. 🤷♂️👍
I knew exactly where they were going! 😂 Outfeed is awkward to make as you have to account for the sliding table; I’ll sort one out one day, but it’s way down the list. 👍
Give festool credit, they know how to identify and fill a niche. It's a tempting proposition given I've a similar setup to you, mft with festool plunge saw.
a mains cable is only necessary if they want me to buy one ;-) seems like the perfect table saw for my use but its already super expensive and the price of batteries just pushes it over the edge.
I just wonder... Festool makes an adaptor which converts their battery sanders to mains corded sanders. I wonder if two of those and a double-adaptor plugged into the vacuum would actually work. The irony being that they are just about as expensive as regular batteries anyway.
They say that the power draw is too great on the saw for those adapters. Then again, they don’t actually state the size of the motor in the saw, so I suspect it’s not that great. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I suspect that if they had put in a mains power option they would potentially get complaints from customers about why no Saw-Stop feature. But honestly, how hard is it to make a mains adaptor? Hikoki/Hitachi did it and their saw only takes a single battery!
@@10MinuteWorkshop I'm sure there is a way. Theoretically I can be tethered to the saw with a clip at my belt and any voltage leakage can be detected without a proper Earth.
Evolution have recently released a new tablesaw with a sliding table and a rack & pinion fence. It would be great to know how it compares to the Festool (hint hint 😉)
Of course you should be able to connect to home current when at home. I guess that has a limited usefulness as it is not for large pieces of wood so you can rely on batteries alone. Still, home current is cheaper than buying batteries.
I agree 4 batteries + charger not only cost a lot more but takes up space . I would consider mains as I don’t want to invest in cordless when all other things are corded
Don’t ever use oven cleaner on carbide tipped blades. It can attack the brazing which secures the carbide, and cause failures. I’ve never had a carbide tip come loose, but a chunk of sharp carbide whizzing about is more than a bit scarey.
Did you watch the video? Because I say that *some* folks use oven cleaner but I prefer to use a proper blade cleaner. And I link to it in the description. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Peter, The use of oven cleaner is a serious safety concern. The use is left over from the days of steel toothed blades. Which I felt needed to be pointed out. No issue at all with what you did or the product you used. Just that the message needs to go out, about the oven cleaner.
If you use the saw in a shop, there is so much unnecessary wear on the batteries. Maybe Festool thinks their standard users will use it away from wallpower most of the time and have a "proper" saw i the shop.
@@10MinuteWorkshopgreat vid as always. I watch other vids concerning other manufacturers which use a mains to power supply converter, wether inadequate current delivery or the nature of the units, they've had to stop using the PSU's making them not fit for purpose. Seems strange but my understanding was the manufacturer just told customers to stop using the PSU's and gave no idea of any thoughts to a solution, only to say the use of the PSU's would negate further repairs caused by them. Having 2 different set ups would be ideal, but space in towns is always at a premium.
While it seems like an impressive saw sadly this is 2k and up here in CANADA! I’m sure with dust extraction this may be worth that kind of coin. I have no Festool products since there’s so many options that are quite reliable and much more affordable. Although some UA-camrs love their Festool tools especially the drywall guys I’ve just found some products a bit too delicate for some work. Plus I did mention price and value and reliability! Some heavy duty finish carpenters have had motor issues with the kapex for example while the same people have had a Dewalt miter saw for more than a decade with flawless operation. I like the footprint of the smaller saw but with the need to buy a pile of very very expensive batteries that negates it as even a consideration! Festool as a brand does tick off the vast majority of pros given the price and really the lack of sale pricing. That irks most of us and I can tell you that a local industrial supply company sells thousands more Dewalt and Milwaukee or even Makita to even a handful of Festool. On a recent visit for an hour or so while chatting I saw zero people at Festool display and more than a dozen sales for Dewalt and Milwaukee. Until Festool embraces the market for what it is… a commodity… only a tiny percentage of buyers will touch their products. Fixed pricing and never on sale for common use items makes little sense. Their domino joiner is really their only unique product and even that process of loose tenoning can be achieved with much less costly options. Especially in a production environment where you’re pumping out hundreds of one design in a day. Even custom furniture and cabinet makers opt for other options and avoid Festool. My two cents of course!
Here’s the thing; the flip-side of that ‘no deals, no discounts’ thing is a solid resale value if you ever decide to move the tool on later. My Kaoex is well over a decade old btw, and had a (factory recall) motor change at 7 years, 4 years out of warranty - I’m not sure how many Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee tools would get that kind of after sales, after 7 years. And Festool seems to be happy selling to a tiny - and comfortably fixed - percentage of buyers. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes resale is almost like new! Crazy. But that’s simply because they have such a tiny portion of the market and consequently much smaller numbers of available product both new and used. So yes I do agree these things hold value but only to a point. A beaten up Kapex won’t garner much attention. I have so many tools over 8-10 years old and recently had a battery die on a Milwaukee drill. Walked into Milwaukee repair depot and plunk down a new battery just like that plus had similar experience with a hydraulic driver. Faulty collet . Boom. New one just like that . Unfortunately our local Dewalt is abysmal and those tend to be throw out tools but I own 25-30 old Dewalt plug in tools that are indestructible! Plate joiner and miter saws just keep on going. But keep in mind these are electric motors so they tend to be pretty robust. You may know Spencer Lewis who does finish work professionally and he succumbed to buying a kapex simply because of the front slider vs the new Dewalt rear slides . But he used Dewalt for eons . The only Festool I’d consider would be the domino but you’ve proven with modest jigs that floating tenons are dead easy with routers. Or even drills like the JessEmm products .
Yes, I've definitely used it a lot more than I expected to; it is extremely convenient to have something like this for small trimming cuts, perfect tool for the job. 👍
It looks like a very good saw except you can't plug it in. If it was cord powered then they wouldn't be able to sell you new batteries every couple of years. I can't imagine a situation where you would need a battery for a tablesaw; it's not a portable tool (unless for a construction site saw, which this is not).
This is 100% a portable tool; it’s intended as a site saw for fitters and installers - it’s me that’s using it ‘wrong’ in the workshop, but it still performs very well. 👍
No corded option for such a tool is a totally absurd. Festool only care about making money and ,with batteries, they make a lot of money. .......I'll never buy this tool.
Festool is just too pricey for the majority of woodworkers/ DIYers. For the price of one tool you can purchase several halve decent tools. I can remember when you yourself was doing exactly as I've pointed out, but have now abandoned we mere folk for the over priced Festool, which can come across quite condescending. Festool is only as good as the hand holding the tool, and a Brand wont make you a better wood worker either. I've watched many woodwork channels and seen the same thing, many start with Dewalt, Makita etc, then once the channel gets established and freebies and promotional vids start appearing. They all one by one, drop the regular tools of the blue collar workers, for the overpriced Festool, and then comes the Festool promotion, and it just gets boring. Festool is the rich kids tool, that us mere mortals just dont wont to play with, and I know I'm not alone. I got told a saying once, at the beginning of my career that goes like this " be careful of who you s**t on, on your way up, because you might just meet them on your way back down". I have carried that Mantra with me, all my life. To me it's meant to keep you grounded, and remember where you started. I remember when I had no power tools, and relied on second hand tools and using a screwdriver for a chisel, simply because I couldn't afford better. However the cabinets I actually made with those Sh**y tools could have given me more work than I could have coped with. I never make the same cabinets twice, and that's what I enjoy. That way every projects new.
Oh bore off with the massive chip on your shoulder. This man is giving out free content it's your choice to watch or not, if this video isn't to your taste move on for goodness sake. "Condescending" how ridiculous this is well shot and produced thoughts on a specific tool, Peter provides all sorts of other content which is useful and caters to anyone with an assortment of tools. I don't think you will be missed if you choose to stop watching.
Not sure about freebies, I recall when Peter purchased this saw, he did so with his own money. If anything, there is more on this channel testing and using cheaper and alternative tools than most others.
@jamesfarrer5087 I use to hate festool but then realised all the cool inventions they made like the track saw and domino. Even if you can't afford festool you benefit from cheaper options following when the patient runs out. If there was no festool you wouldn't have track saws? I have a mixture of tools with most being makita and dewalt however festool I think is worth it for the domino or sanders which makita or dewalt just don't do or can't match the quality
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I'm a hobbyist and I'm going to buy this table saw 👍. I like doing projects, not fighting with tools.
100% the right attitude. 👍👍
Thank you, Peter. Great review. I think it’s a crack in the saw for the smallest of jobs.
@@10MinuteWorkshop all tools need setup and regular care maintenance , ALL tools.
Great to hear how well it’s going. I fell in love with Festool on a flash sale purchase of a track saw and I’m now a sucker for their kit. Before then my world was Ryobi and home made jigs which are still going strong and do a pretty good job.
Anyway, I’m a shit hobbyist that loves woodwork and my Festool kit makes creating my crap projects easier, but they are more accurately shit and I smile more when using Festool.
At the end of the day who cares? I enjoy these videos and learn a lot from them.
Just brought mine after being invited to hq last week and trying it out!!! What an amazing machine!!! I’m a general chippy so it’s a site saw for me and it’s absolutely amazing!!!!
I think it’s probably one of my favourite tool purchases tbh - perfect for the kind of small finicky cuts I need 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshopI did a larch cladding job with it today, all the ripping and all the small repetitive cross cuts for a soffit, it was perfect every time, I did go through 2 sets of 5.0 batteries but I don’t mind because it’s a pleasure to use!!!
Thanks for the opinion on the saw, always appreciate your style and content.
Very good cleaning job. I’m glad that the saw is such a good fit for your shop.
Thanks 👍
Thanks 👍
Ok I bought one this week, so far very impressed. So far agree with what is said here. Festool could improve the fence. Not as concerned about batteries, seems to be just like my makita battery tools, works long enough on a charge for what I do. That said the sys50 is really impressive for its size and the digital control is spot on. No regrets at all.
I am looking at a new table saw after using my Lidl Parkside for the last five years Peter and now I am green with envy, doesn't happen to me often but the Festool is just something else and out of my justifiable price range. 😂 Great reminder for a cleaning session which as I dismantled my Parkside I also did. I also use the Trend cleaner, great stuff.
Thanks David! 👍
Just got mine and it's incredible for what i use it for on my staircase refurbs and built in draws inderneath. Along with the festool track saw the mft table and the extractor its a mobile workshop second to none. Wouldnt swap it for anything, yes its pricey but if its your living and you want great results then this kit will pay for itself very quickly and besides that as the person using it I have to say I love its ease of use, its exact...its quiet...its a joy to use and if you are using something on a daily basis that is also very important to me.
Totally agree! The pleasure of using something is always missed out of reviews as it’s so subjective. 👍👍
Great Peter! According to Festool this saw was developed for the on site fitting jobs, thus rightly a battery operated saw. Judging by the high number of Festool’s Precisio CS50 hitting the second hand market - this saw has found its way to those targeted. That we, the hobbyists and semi stationary find it extremely interesting is in fact a secondary market. I really like it, and I have a CS50, and I want a CSC 50 as well, because of the slider close to the blade, and the fast an accurate height adjustment + It runs cordless! Yippee! and it’s highly portable! And it’s from what users report: Very accurate.
That said, we might see a larger saw with many of the same features, only bigger and corded - My guess that is😉
Fingers crossed! 👍
I’ve just added my second festool tool to my armoury (third if you count the dust extractor) I got a battery powered KS60 to go with my TS60. Wow I’m impressed. I notice that the rear battery drains faster even though I always link the front battery to the extractor! Bug is well and truly got. Table saw is probably a few years away yet! Oh and if it wasn’t clear, I’m blaming you for all of it Peter! 😂❤
I have dominoes, yes plural, because of Peter and an extractor
Sounds good! And I’m blamed for many Festool acquisitions, one more won’t be an issue… 😂😂
@@dougsaunders8109 yes that is on my list of future hopefuls. But I need to have a spending rest!
I’am a hobbyist as wel but money wel spend! What I do for a good clean up is: Behind the folding table is another piece you can remove. You can then enter the saw from the other size of the blade. Specially when you have use the saw big time and you want put the cover on it , you want to clean this area. When you boxed is again transport it and then open your saw you wil se a big sawdust surprise on your hole machine. But that’s the only negative point I have. This saw is a game changer for me!! I
11:01 what is that square? thx for the video =)👍
It’s the Benchdogs precision triangle - link in description. 👍
I would buy one in a heart beat if it had mains cord. I don't use Festool Battery op tools. So I have no Festool Batteries. I love the compact size and the sliding table. I really hope they eventually make a corded version.
Happy to see you back! It’s indeed a bit of a shame that there still isn’t a pass through option. Happy Friday!
Recently arrived in Australia. The excuse they gave to our regulator as to why they should have a free pass on our trade laws was that they could properly service the Australian market. The price in Australia would buy a quite serviceable second hand car or a second hand cabinet saw, drop saw, band saw, drill press and a few bucks leftover. We are being well and truly serviced by Festool.
Hahaha 🤣 Totally agree! From a fellow Aussie dweller.
Yes, I did smile to myself when Peter said he ended up buying it (saw) from Amazon. Festool price is locked across all trade outlets in Australia, and Amazon sell for 4.4k or 5k + $700 for delivery and says it ships in 6-7 months on Amazon.
That adds up to what I paid for a full size sawstop c/s
Peter, I agree (not that it matters). The saw is a great kit but only combined with TS, which I also have. I down sized to make this combo happen as I like most other hobbyists have precious little space. The one thing I would add is dado blades are out which means those cuts need to be made on a router table, which is just as inconvenient as switching out the blades on a table. I splurged and purchased an extra set of batteries, which has proven to be a great choice. I hope that FT makes one of those corded battery adapters in the future so I can just plug in and forget it.
Ya, 2 reasons would stop me at this point. 1. fence micro adjustments and 2. no corded option. Thanks for the video!
Brilliant ! Thanks
Pleasure, thanks for watching. 👍
Thank you Peter great video. I'm going to get one but need several tools 1st. Looks to be a great saw.
Thanks Peter, how can that be a year already, glad to hear it's performed well for you though, it's a nice bit of kit for sure, but then it should be ! 💰💰💰
When I watch a video like this, I resolve to maintain my machines more regularly and then promptly forget again until the next time something plays up or I see another maintenance video !
The small child comment was a bit of a worry ( just a figure of speech I know ) ! 😲😉🤣
You write ‘lose a small child’ and it comes out as ‘bury’ and suddenly everyone’s a childcare expert… 😂😂
Thanks for posting this video. I got myself the table saw and benchdogs csc fence recently. Managed to drop the 1mm spacer into the gap between the blade and saw body. Was nervous about opening it all the way. Would have been braver if I saw this video first.
Time flys when your having fun!
Did you spot any screws near the underside? I would hope there'd be a way to unmount and lift the saw off its base for cleaning. Similar to how it is done on toasters where you can pull out a sled with all the debris on it.
Yeah, there are some adapters that connects with the tool in the place of the battery, so you could use main power to run it. Festool should offer something like that!
Anyway, thanks, Peter! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Hi, do you know where I would find such an adapter. Had a look online and all I seen is ones for cordless sanders.
@@harkinjames All I know is that they exist and that Bosch offers it. But unfortunately I don't know if they're compatible.
@@MCsCreations no prob, thanks for reply 👍
Thanks! Festool offer something similar for the cordless sanders, but the saw drawers too much current for them. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop That was my thinking too, thanks for confirming 👍
I would love as you said if they offered the option to use it corded or battery depending on the use case. Maybe v2 will include this.
Peter at 05:42 ur using another smaller hose on the main dust extractor hose to get inside the table saw. Where did u get that extension.
It’s one that came with a Sealey sander; I meant to throw it away tbh (the hose, not the sander) but it came in handy this time. You can get a 22mm Mirka hose that’ll do something similar. 👍
I use the TREND cleaner quite regularly. It works well for me and quickly removes the gummy buildup. Used on router bits too.
250mm Freud table saw blades.
That blade cleaner did a cracking job. I was looking at my mitre saw blade the other day thinking it's getting a bit gunked up and cuts not as clean as they were. Never had blades worth worrying about before but with a Freud on it I might give it a spruce.
I’ve never cleaned a blade before either! But I’ll be doing it again. 👍
Useful tips for cleaning the blade and how to deploy different capacity/functionality batteries to best effect. I've found using this saw with the cordless CTL-SYS you effectively need three pairs of 4Ah batteries just for the CTL; one pair installed, one ready and one charging for continuous use of the saw, because the smaller batteries are only good for about 15-20 minutes depending upon extraction setting. Same goes for the TSC55. BTW I would have taken the batteries out of the CSC-SYS and not relied on the soft power switch, but that's just for me. We are all grown ups!
I'm happy I'm not the only hobbyist commenting here. My main concern in purchasing this saw is buyer's remorse, for the limited use I will give it. But I've looked at so many table saws in the last few years and never found anything close concerning size and features - they were either cumbersome with more capacity than required or small and weak, closer to a toy than a real table saw (as it is my current PROXXON FET "table saw" with a max of 25mm cutting capacity). As I need something like 45mm for my DYI projects I got a Makita track saw, it does the job, but it takes much more time and preparation than a table saw. My cordless tools are Dewalt so I'm a bit reluctant to jump to a cordless anything else, but the sliding table, features and compactness of this SYS 50, together with the low noise and effective dust extraction ... man... a tough decision... but we only live once, right? Thanks for sharing the detailed video!
Thanks! I had all those reservations before I made the purchase but it really has been a huge addition to the workshop. No regrets. 👍
A precision gear type rack and pinion micro adjust fence, would probably add 4-$500 to the saw but might be bad ass 😎.
Nice video. I usually have a battery blower nearby when I’m on a job and if I can I’ll just hit the saw with that real quick and since I have the midivac right there anyway ill stick one of the cleaning nozzles inside the saw real quick before I put the lid back on.
My blades get stickier than yours does faster though and I can’t believe that’s the first time you changed it. I got the rip blade right when I bought the saw and I’m switching them all the time. I do finish carpentry on site. This saw is perfect for three piece corner baseboard on the slider, and ripping thin >1” 1-1/2”material. Got it first day here in US. 😊
Nice! Agree re the rack and pinion - though DeWalt seems to be able to have one and it only costs that much for the whole saw, lol! 👍😂
I was very sceptical about this saw at first, but it has grown on me. I think festool has dropped the ball with the lack of a mains cable adaptor for this and the ks60 cordless saw...it's a system that works well with the DeWalt mitre saws, and if you were lucky (and loaded enough) to own the festool power station or an Ecoflow battery, you could work off grid all day long.
Sadly, I doubt that I shall ever own one....because the wife knows how much they really cost 😭
I just use the misses regular washing liquid (Persil) diluted 50/50 with water. Use a large container lid put in the liquid and blade and soak over night all the resin, etc comes off easy peasy. 🏴
The Deawlt gets good write ups, both battery and corded. And it's considerably cheaper. On the subject of a mains cable to fit the saw the Dewalt flexvolt chopsaw has this but it doesn't fit the table saw and I remember about a year ago a contractor in the U.S burnt his chopsaw motor out a couple of times and it turned out it was the power cable causing it.
Yes, it does; it's also considerably louder, with less effective dust collection. The DeWalt and the Bosch are excellent site saws, but that's not what I wanted from a compact table saw. Interesting re the DW mains adapter and chop saw, thanks. 👍
Good grief, Charlie Brown! It's a year already??!! 🤪
I still love the look of this saw and would still love to own one but still won't because there is no option to run it without buying into a battery platform I would not be using for anything else :( A real bummer considering how many other Festool tools I use and love - all corded except for my jolly little original gen CXS...
PS I should add that I am really happy for you, though!
Thanks! Yes, time sure flies! 👍
I wonder is some sort of soft shroud over the back, and connected to the dust extractor, would dramatically reduce the dust build up.
That’s a years worth of dust in there - I’d hardly call it a dramatic build-up! 👍
Been a year already! That went quick!
Hasn't it just! Time flies... 🤷♂️
I thought there would be better accessibility to the "innards".Great video again.
There’s another panel that can be removed on the other side, under the folding table, just didn’t seem necessary. 👍
The festool haters crack me up 😂if you don’t want to put your had in your pocket then don’t.
But festool make fantastic tools that will outlast all the other mainstream brands, their service and warranty is second to none.
I am still using my original track saw from 2005 and only had to fit new brushes.
Also the resale valve is better than anything else I've owned.
Just sold an 8 year old ts55 for two thirds of it's cost when new to upgrade to the latest version.
Buy cheap buy twice.
100% agree; I still have mu first TS55 from 2006, changed the brushes once after about 11 years, still going strong. The warranty and the longevity are often ignored by so many. 👍
Great video, though I just realised I have watched a bloke vacuuming for 10 minutes! 🤣🤣🤣 a bit of humour after the last Festool debate
😂 😂
Enjoyed the video. I’d remove the batteries before futzing with the blade. Belt and braces.
You have to hand it to Festool, that little saw looks a beast, I winched when you said how much! but systainer size!!!!! only haters will be people who have never used a Festool tool, I wish I had found them about 15yrs earlier. 1st thing I bought was a 2nd hand Domino (nearly as much as a new one they hold value) hooked from just holding the thing. Looks a good buy in the long term (as all festool tools are) but at my age, not for me anymore. You updated the firmware on the batteries, I hope you have the app on your phone as well lol
Haven’t touched the firmware on anything I own, and there’s no Festool app on my phone, lol! 👍
Thanks again Peter for the insight.
Did you ever consider the Mafell Erica?
I detailed all the saws in the 'why buy this saw' video - link in description - and the Erika was on the list, but was just too costly to be a serious contender. 🤷♂️ 👍
So tempted to get one for my current project (resisted). My local tool and wood pusher has sold 5 or 6. 2 or 3 have given him some feedback: They say it's the real deal, a hard worker. Why is it I'll spend that amount or more on a new lens for the camera; but for a saw I get cold feet?
My use case typically involves ripping long boards down. This project has me using a dado blade a LOT. I much prefer the dado to a router when possible - and typically it's possible. I "fear" I'll get one later this year... LOL
I know right! I won’t buy a Sony ZV1 mk2 because it’s almost £900, it the Leica D-Lux 8 comes out at £1450 and you think ‘Oo, bargain! 😂👍
Since most of the dust accumulates in the bottom tray wouldn't make sense this same tray should me removable for easier cleaning?
If you want to affect change, you really need to be addressing your comments to the manufacturer. But yes, that would be sensible - and maybe the baseplate is removable - I didn’t look. 🤷♂️
Do you mind sharing the recording equipment you use: i.e tripods and phone holders. Thanks
There’s a photo/video/tach list in my store at 10minuteAmazon.com that covers the basics, but there’s a ton of stuff accumulated over the years. If there was anything specific you were looking at that isn’t on the list then give a shout. 👍
I can’t help but long to see an Inca head to head with the Festool. I never had a Inca but I spent many hours looking at the Garett Wade catalog. I eventually was able to purchase the tool but sadly it was no longer for sale.
I have bought pretty much all the Inca tools over the years. The only two I still have are their 259 table saw, and the 240 small bandsaw. There isn't any comparison with Festool. dust extraction is terrible, though I haven't done much to upgrade it. I just roll it outside. But given that I live in a Canada, and won't use it or any other TS in my shop, it is a severe limitation. I love the saw, and it was basically free. I have bought them for about 400 Canadian. Oddly, they used to show up all the time for sale. Either that was a once only event as that age group aged out. Or maybe sales have moved to some other digital platform I don't use. But for a few years one could find anything and I bought out a whole shop, sold off parts and ended up with the tools I wanted for free.
I have the bandsaw because it came with 10 blades, so I decided to keep it until the blades wore out. I actually prefer it to my large Laguna.... So probably the Laguna will go first. I would buy the smaller Inca TS, and the smaller planer/jointer (bought it and sold it from LV years back). But alas, I have not seen a single one come up for sale recently.
The Festool saw could sit nicely on the top of the INCA, and then one could use the INCA only when one had larger jobs to do.
The Inca uses an external motor, and will last pretty much for ever. You never have to upgrade every time there is a new Bluetooth feature. The only annoying feature, at least as far as how they were designed in the day, is that there is a knob that one turns to raise or lower the blade. Tedious and a little hard on the hands. The solution is a tool that turns the knob with a drill driver. Some machinery knobs have an acorn nut on them, so there isn't any special tool required, but this would require a 3D printed socket, or a socket cut from plywood.
While not the same kind of thing, there are so many jobsite saws available today with reasonable feature sets that Inca tools are no longer the only thing. Inca stood astride elements of the jobsite market (or so it seemed as a tourist in Germany), but also the precision model, instrument, cabinet market.
Hi Peter, Would you recommend a battery table saw I know it would be good for off site work, but being in a workshop where there is 13 amp sockets would you preferred mains in the workshop. This does look a good table saw and trouble free after a year you must be happy with it. I do agree with you it should have a mains option or some sort of trickle charge to keep the battery charged for the workshop or off site if you have power available. As always a great and honest video Take care
I’d prefer mains in the workshop, but honestly this has been flawless, so I’ve no issue with it at all. It’s worked for me, you can only find out if it works for you by buying one, unfortunately! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter
Do you use it for stuff that you did not originally think you'd use it for - if you will, did it take over tasks that you used to use the tracksaw for? (I get by with just the track saw, and there's not much I can't do with it, but for some completely irrational reason I've also been tempted by this little table saw. I guess what I'm looking for is good reasons/excuses to buy one, even though the track saw is more than adequate for my needs;-)
No, it’s definitely a trimming saw for small, precise cuts. I’ve never been tempted to feed a half-sheet of plywood through it - that’s a job for the tracksaw. But the combination of the two is hard to beat, provided you can live with the depth of cut. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I don't have enough space to cut sheets of plywood with anything else than a tracksaw anyway;-) What I could use a small table saw for would be to rip narrow pieces of hardwood, stuff like that. I can do it with a tracksaw, but it is a bit of a pain to make sure the rail is not tipping a bit, etc. I now mostly do those sort of cuts with my bandsaw, and then put the pieces through the thicknesser. Works quite well, so I don't really need the table saw. I just imagine it would make some of those cuts even easier and give a better quality cut than the bandsaw.
May I add some point for the benefits of having this saw? I used to use track saw for all cutting tasks (except those I can do quicker with Japanies hand saw). but I've always struggle to get nice clean cut when it comes for strips I need for end-grain cutting boards. It has always been a need to smooth pieces with hand plane. when i bought this saw in last october It became a game changer. cut is so clean and smooth that I can glue up pieces right after sawing. secondly I forgot all the fighting I had with the track to put it firmly on a narrow pieces. so if you are dealing a lot with cutting something small for track saw this saw will be a huge benefits.
@@The9q11 Yes, that's exactly the sort of thing I could use a small table saw for. I've also made quite a few endgrain cutting boards with just the tracksaw, and have made all sorts of jigs that help me to cut thin pieces accurately. But it takes time to set up, and if you just quickly want to rip a few smallish pieces, a table saw would undoubtedly be faster (and more dangerous).
As for getting clean cuts with the track saw when you rip hardwood, the key is to use the right blade. At the start I just used the standard blade that came with the saw. Changing to the Festool rip blades made a huge difference.
Surprised how easy you got the spindle lock to pop. Unless you edited some of the struggle out. I legit thought my key was going to break that’s how hard I had to push.
It was pretty solid, but didn’t fight too much. 🤷♂️👍
While I agree it would be lovely to have a cord option, after having talked with quite a few tool shop staff, and the Festool rep who demonstrated this saw when it was released, there are a lot of problems after a while with battery and cord systems, even on other tool brands, so it has not yet been totally worked out. From what some are saying it is an electronic inconsistency issue.
Did i see that you are running 5amp battery at the rear and 4 amp battery at the front? Or something similar to?
Yes, as I say isn’t the vid I only have one pair of Bluetooth (5.2ah) batteries, so I started using a 4.2 in the front slot and a 5.2 bt in the rear; the rear drains slightly faster, and using ‘uneven pairs’ means that I always have a Bluetooth connection to the vac. 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for the reply Peter. Slowly moving over to the cordless platform! More info like this the better!
Hi Peter, I have a newbie question.
How would you cut long bevel rip on this machine when the blade is tilting towards the fence?
Depends what the long bevel rip is for; if it’s a45° mitre for two panels to join then this isn’t the saw for that. If it’s back-bevelling an infill or scribe, then the saw does a -11° bevel away from the fence. 👍
Hi Peter is that blade cleaner available on your amazon store Thank You have a fabulous BH Weekend .
Mark.
If it isn’t there yet it will be, but there’s a direct link in the description below.
Peter, shim and move. If you want to move the width of a sheet of paper. Clamp a block to the table with a shim the thickness you want to move, between the fence and the block. Release the fence, remove the shim, and move the the fence against the stop block, and clamp it down. I have a set of gage blocks, and a fan of laminate samples next to the tablesaw, just for that purpose.
Well of course you can do that, the point is that you shouldn’t have to on a saw if this price, when everything else is so precise. 👍
Hi Peter, how do you think the saw would work if you were still doing general remodeling work? Would it be up to the task for a one or two man business doing bathrooms and kitchens ?
What other table saws have you had experience with on the jobsite? Thanks, Jay
Absolutely- it’s what the saw was designed for, as a site saw for installers and fitters doing trim work. I’ve used the DeWalt and Bosch site saw in the past, not a fan of either. 👍
Hi Peter, have you ripped much solid timber with yours?
I didn’t have high expectations for being able to do this, but when I got a rip blade unfortunately it was way worse than i expected, since I found the thin blade flexes uncontrollably (almost felt like a harmonic / resonance issue - I was going pretty gentle with it). Was never sure if this was a ‘just me’ issue with the particular blade I had - but I’ve moved to ripping on a small bandsaw, which is actually preferable anyway.
Only some pine/Redwood with the stock blade. Not something I really do tbh, so not an issue for me. 👍
I thought everyone knew that bandsaw dust is rubbish for burying small children? A good bit of lime and soft earth is what you want for that!!😂
Christ...has it been a year already?
😂 You know you write ‘enough sawdust to lose a small child…’ and it comes out as ‘bury’ then everyone’s suddenly a childcare expert… 🤷♂️😂
@@10MinuteWorkshop could say you dug your own grave there chap😂👍
Festool recommended taking out the batteries before you stick your hand inside
Hello Peter, good, honest, straightforward review as always. For me, too much technology for technologies sake on, what is, a relatively simple machine tool. Looks like Festool have taken a leaf out of the auto makers books. Maybe just a good excuse for adding to the high price.
Thanks! Yes, that was a point I made when I first looked at it, yet 12 months on I’m pretty happy with it and sales don’t appear to be flagging. 🤷♂️👍
I went for a larger saw, O does it dominate the space. The smaller footprint of Festool has a lot going for it.
Q. are the blades interchangeable with other Festool saws?
The blade is common to the Festool TS50. 👍
could you please explain why I would want a bluetooth battery in the first place? I've had my saw for about 6 months and wasn't able to make the connection and I have to wonder why I would want it. Love the saw though. Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks. Because it’s a cordless tool it won’t auto start the extractor. A Bluetooth battery - connected to anything, whether that’s a drill, plungesaw or tablesaw - will start the vac, provided the vac is recent enough to be Bluetooth enabled and the batteries are paired with it. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Now I get it. Thanks.
Dear festool, PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE make a corded version. Or AC adapter. Thanx
Seconded! Pretty Please With A Cherry On Top 😇
@FestoolGB make it so 🙏
Yep, they’re definitely losing sales by not having it. 🤷♂️👍
Adding a DRO should not be all that difficult to install for fence adjustment. I questioned why it wasn’t already done when the saw was launched.
I too want the cord option.
It’s a shame Festool don’t have an air stream 18v adapter that has a plug it cable like the ergo batteries that the sanders use. Nice video. It looks like that saw is worth the money. 👍🏻
Thanks! Yes, I was told that the saw draws too much current for those sander-style battery adapters to be usable, which is a shame. 🤷♂️ 👍
no air compressor to blast the dust?
Just moves it around. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Outdoors of course! Not inside... :)
@@noslrak2000his outdoors is an urban London street, not sure that would go down well...
@@DavidLee-cw6ci Depends on how much one hates neighbours... 😉
I would get it in a heartbeat if it was corded and had a SawStop break cartridge. I'm most likely getting the SawStop CTS in conjunction with my TS 75.
The Sawstop tech needs an earth or ground, so you won’t see it in a cordless saw, but I agree, this one should be offered with a cord. 👍
how can it have possibly been a year already?? Wow, that flew past.
Tell me about it! Another year older etc.. etc.. 😂👍
That grid pattern of small walls on the inside base of the unit looks like it was perfectly designed to annoy anyone trying to manoeuvre small vac hoses under all the various bits. A smooth base plate would be a lot more helpful there you’d think. That cleaning solution looks worth it though. Don’t think I’ve cleaned any of my blades for a good while.
Agreed, but I imagine the ridges in the base are there for strength. 👍
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Did ever you hear any more about the Festool 'corded' alternative? I seem to recall that there was a rumour, back when you first raised the question, of an alternative accessory. Or maybe that is a Festool Unicorn? There is, of course, the price to be considered, since it's Festool the cable might cost the same as a DeWalt tablesaw... 😂
No, never heard it mentioned again. 🤷♂️👍
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Festool rarely disappoints. I now have Rotex, extractor and x2 domino’s. I could not justify another battery platform. You need 4x battery on top of saw cost, charger. I would have gone down the Festool route for a mains powered, now own a Bosch instead
Thanks for the update 👍🏻
Yep, it’s something I heard a lot when I bought it; adding another battery platform was a step too far for many. 👍
I thing the rear battery draining faster is intentional design by Festool. This way you are only needing to rotate and charge one battery at a time, which on a job site makes for more efficiency and more batteries available on demand. For a home diy'er who may not have a surplus of batteries, having equal drain could stop a weekend project dead in its tracks.
They don’t drain at *that* different a rate though; if you’ve only swapping out one battery I’m pretty sure the remaining one would drain before it was charged. 🤷♂️👍
You could really use a small outfeed table. Watching those workpieces fall off the edge was anxiety producing :-)
I knew exactly where they were going! 😂 Outfeed is awkward to make as you have to account for the sliding table; I’ll sort one out one day, but it’s way down the list. 👍
While I love the saw, I'm terrified of table saws. I would feel better if Festool put the SawStop technology in this one.
The sawstop tech requires an earth or ground; never going to happen in a cordless saw. 🤷♂️👍
Give festool credit, they know how to identify and fill a niche. It's a tempting proposition given I've a similar setup to you, mft with festool plunge saw.
They do complement each other very well. 👍
I’m waiting for an option to use electric/battery option then I will grab a kit.
a mains cable is only necessary if they want me to buy one ;-) seems like the perfect table saw for my use but its already super expensive and the price of batteries just pushes it over the edge.
I just wonder... Festool makes an adaptor which converts their battery sanders to mains corded sanders. I wonder if two of those and a double-adaptor plugged into the vacuum would actually work. The irony being that they are just about as expensive as regular batteries anyway.
They say that the power draw is too great on the saw for those adapters. Then again, they don’t actually state the size of the motor in the saw, so I suspect it’s not that great. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I suspect that if they had put in a mains power option they would potentially get complaints from customers about why no Saw-Stop feature. But honestly, how hard is it to make a mains adaptor? Hikoki/Hitachi did it and their saw only takes a single battery!
Shouldnt remove the batteries when changing the blade?😂😅
Would be interesting to see of Festool integrates SawStop tech into their battery-powered range...
Needs an earth I’m told, so no chance. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I'm sure there is a way. Theoretically I can be tethered to the saw with a clip at my belt and any voltage leakage can be detected without a proper Earth.
Evolution have recently released a new tablesaw with a sliding table and a rack & pinion fence. It would be great to know how it compares to the Festool (hint hint 😉)
I think it’s a built in crosscut sled, rather than an actual sliding table, but it would be interesting to see. 👍
It's a great looking piece of kit but at the best part of £1700 body only that saw would have to make the tea as well.
I paid about £1600, and it was slap in the middle price-wise of all the saws I was considering. 👍
Of course you should be able to connect to home current when at home. I guess that has a limited usefulness as it is not for large pieces of wood so you can rely on batteries alone. Still, home current is cheaper than buying batteries.
I agree 4 batteries + charger not only cost a lot more but takes up space . I would consider mains as I don’t want to invest in cordless when all other things are corded
Don’t ever use oven cleaner on carbide tipped blades. It can attack the brazing which secures the carbide, and cause failures. I’ve never had a carbide tip come loose, but a chunk of sharp carbide whizzing about is more than a bit scarey.
Did you watch the video? Because I say that *some* folks use oven cleaner but I prefer to use a proper blade cleaner. And I link to it in the description. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Peter, The use of oven cleaner is a serious safety concern. The use is left over from the days of steel toothed blades. Which I felt needed to be pointed out. No issue at all with what you did or the product you used. Just that the message needs to go out, about the oven cleaner.
Nooice!
If you use the saw in a shop, there is so much unnecessary wear on the batteries. Maybe Festool thinks their standard users will use it away from wallpower most of the time and have a "proper" saw i the shop.
It’s intended as a site saw for installs. It should also have a power cord. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshopgreat vid as always. I watch other vids concerning other manufacturers which use a mains to power supply converter, wether inadequate current delivery or the nature of the units, they've had to stop using the PSU's making them not fit for purpose. Seems strange but my understanding was the manufacturer just told customers to stop using the PSU's and gave no idea of any thoughts to a solution, only to say the use of the PSU's would negate further repairs caused by them. Having 2 different set ups would be ideal, but space in towns is always at a premium.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes, I am certainly not defending the lack of cord 🙃
While it seems like an impressive saw sadly this is 2k and up here in CANADA! I’m sure with dust extraction this may be worth that kind of coin. I have no Festool products since there’s so many options that are quite reliable and much more affordable. Although some UA-camrs love their Festool tools especially the drywall guys I’ve just found some products a bit too delicate for some work. Plus I did mention price and value and reliability! Some heavy duty finish carpenters have had motor issues with the kapex for example while the same people have had a Dewalt miter saw for more than a decade with flawless operation.
I like the footprint of the smaller saw but with the need to buy a pile of very very expensive batteries that negates it as even a consideration!
Festool as a brand does tick off the vast majority of pros given the price and really the lack of sale pricing. That irks most of us and I can tell you that a local industrial supply company sells thousands more Dewalt and Milwaukee or even Makita to even a handful of Festool. On a recent visit for an hour or so while chatting I saw zero people at Festool display and more than a dozen sales for Dewalt and Milwaukee.
Until Festool embraces the market for what it is… a commodity… only a tiny percentage of buyers will touch their products. Fixed pricing and never on sale for common use items makes little sense. Their domino joiner is really their only unique product and even that process of loose tenoning can be achieved with much less costly options. Especially in a production environment where you’re pumping out hundreds of one design in a day. Even custom furniture and cabinet makers opt for other options and avoid Festool.
My two cents of course!
Here’s the thing; the flip-side of that ‘no deals, no discounts’ thing is a solid resale value if you ever decide to move the tool on later. My Kaoex is well over a decade old btw, and had a (factory recall) motor change at 7 years, 4 years out of warranty - I’m not sure how many Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee tools would get that kind of after sales, after 7 years. And Festool seems to be happy selling to a tiny - and comfortably fixed - percentage of buyers. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes resale is almost like new! Crazy. But that’s simply because they have such a tiny portion of the market and consequently much smaller numbers of available product both new and used.
So yes I do agree these things hold value but only to a point. A beaten up Kapex won’t garner much attention.
I have so many tools over 8-10 years old and recently had a battery die on a Milwaukee drill. Walked into Milwaukee repair depot and plunk down a new battery just like that plus had similar experience with a hydraulic driver. Faulty collet . Boom. New one just like that . Unfortunately our local Dewalt is abysmal and those tend to be throw out tools but I own 25-30 old Dewalt plug in tools that are indestructible! Plate joiner and miter saws just keep on going.
But keep in mind these are electric motors so they tend to be pretty robust.
You may know Spencer Lewis who does finish work professionally and he succumbed to buying a kapex simply because of the front slider vs the new Dewalt rear slides . But he used Dewalt for eons .
The only Festool I’d consider would be the domino but you’ve proven with modest jigs that floating tenons are dead easy with routers. Or even drills like the JessEmm products .
Peter Millard in no way condones burying small children in saw dust
I wrote ‘enough dust to lose a small child…’ and it came out as bury 🤷♂️ Pretty sure we all understand the intent. 👍
If only this saw had a cord.
Did you end up using it more than you thought you would?
Yes, I've definitely used it a lot more than I expected to; it is extremely convenient to have something like this for small trimming cuts, perfect tool for the job. 👍
Biological washing powder and hot water work a treat for cleaning blades, soak for 10 mins, agitate if necessary.
It looks like a very good saw except you can't plug it in. If it was cord powered then they wouldn't be able to sell you new batteries every couple of years.
I can't imagine a situation where you would need a battery for a tablesaw; it's not a portable tool (unless for a construction site saw, which this is not).
This is 100% a portable tool; it’s intended as a site saw for fitters and installers - it’s me that’s using it ‘wrong’ in the workshop, but it still performs very well. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for that info. It sounds reasonable.
Enough to bury a small child? Only slightly disturbing Peter 🤔
It depends on the child.
Only if you really think he would be likely to bury a small child. It was a figure of speech , sarcasm if you like or it appear no in your case 😂😉
I took it to mean a child playing in the dust.
I wrote ‘enough dust to lose a small child in’ but it came out as bury. 🤷♂️ I’m pretty sure you knew *exactly* what was meant. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I did know exactly what you meant Peter, I chuckled a fair bit.
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No corded option for such a tool is a totally absurd.
Festool only care about making money and ,with batteries, they make a lot of money. .......I'll never buy this tool.
You do realise exactly how much TROUBLE your in when your wife sees this video and notices you used HER toothbrush
😂😂 Well now you’ve blown it by telling her…
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Festool is just too pricey for the majority of woodworkers/ DIYers. For the price of one tool you can purchase several halve decent tools. I can remember when you yourself was doing exactly as I've pointed out, but have now abandoned we mere folk for the over priced Festool, which can come across quite condescending. Festool is only as good as the hand holding the tool, and a Brand wont make you a better wood worker either. I've watched many woodwork channels and seen the same thing, many start with Dewalt, Makita etc, then once the channel gets established and freebies and promotional vids start appearing. They all one by one, drop the regular tools of the blue collar workers, for the overpriced Festool, and then comes the Festool promotion, and it just gets boring. Festool is the rich kids tool, that us mere mortals just dont wont to play with, and I know I'm not alone. I got told a saying once, at the beginning of my career that goes like this " be careful of who you s**t on, on your way up, because you might just meet them on your way back down". I have carried that Mantra with me, all my life. To me it's meant to keep you grounded, and remember where you started. I remember when I had no power tools, and relied on second hand tools and using a screwdriver for a chisel, simply because I couldn't afford better. However the cabinets I actually made with those Sh**y tools could have given me more work than I could have coped with. I never make the same cabinets twice, and that's what I enjoy. That way every projects new.
Oh bore off with the massive chip on your shoulder. This man is giving out free content it's your choice to watch or not, if this video isn't to your taste move on for goodness sake. "Condescending" how ridiculous this is well shot and produced thoughts on a specific tool, Peter provides all sorts of other content which is useful and caters to anyone with an assortment of tools. I don't think you will be missed if you choose to stop watching.
@@CroxyJ it's my opinion, and it's a fair one!
Tell me you’ve not watched a channel without telling me…
Peter from day one has been using Festool. If there’s any YTer that hasn’t changed it’s Peter
Not sure about freebies, I recall when Peter purchased this saw, he did so with his own money. If anything, there is more on this channel testing and using cheaper and alternative tools than most others.
@jamesfarrer5087 I use to hate festool but then realised all the cool inventions they made like the track saw and domino. Even if you can't afford festool you benefit from cheaper options following when the patient runs out. If there was no festool you wouldn't have track saws?
I have a mixture of tools with most being makita and dewalt however festool I think is worth it for the domino or sanders which makita or dewalt just don't do or can't match the quality